The darker side of the incel world | Uncovering Incels (Part 2) | Short Documentary
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Content warning: Contains violent and distressing content, including references to sexual violence and racist slurs.
Incels, short for involuntary celibates, are mostly lonely young men who can’t find a sexual or romantic partner - and resent women for it. They usually gather online to vent about their lack of romantic success, and their frustration towards women for denying them sex. But can this online hate spill out into the real world?
In this two-part investigation, two female producers meet with current and former incels to explore the darker side of the movement.
Chapters:
00:00 - 00:58 Intro
00:59 - 02:34 Meeting an incel who tells us what he used to think about women
02:35 - 4:18 Leaving the incel community
4:19 - 5:31 Are incels dangerous? The link between incels, extremism and terror
5:32 - 5:51 Are incels a threat to society?
5:52 - 6:55 Meeting a former female incel
6:56 - 8:17 The dangers of being a woman in the incel world
8:19 - 8:52 What can be done to help incels?
8:53 - 9:48 Life after being an incel
Reporter/Producer: Michelle Elias
Producer: Jennifer Luu
Shooters: Daniel Gallagher, James Gilligan, Gavin Blyth
Editors: Gavin Blyth, Mark Tadic, Tom Adams
Sound: Andrew Timlin
Graphics: Caroline Huang
Digital Lead: Jodie Noyce
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Watch the previous episode of Uncovering Incels here: kzhead.info/sun/jLuee9eGh5aegK8/bejne.html
Are there female Incels too? Just curious, because we should arrange them to date each other. May be that should solve the problem. Wonder if you could investigate.
@@navalfa7291 as Ive understood it, there are incel women (femcel) but incel men does not accept them as such since it's not "possible" for women to be involountarily celibate. Again, as Ive understood it, they also do not want to date "anyone ugly" either, but the absolute main point is that they inherently do not see themselves as worthy of love mostly of how they look like. I am no expert though, just what Ive gathered.
"Women have it easy", with no awareness of the violence and disfigurement he wanted to inflict on women he was attracted to.
Funny because all my bullies were men and yet I never joined a men hating website nor did I fantasize about being violent towards them.
Ryan still looks unhinged
That girl wasn't an incel, she was just lonely and friendless. 14 to 16? You shouldn't even be thinking about having sex, how can you be an incel?
wasnt incel only for guys? im confused now
I want to give credit where credit is due. Congratulations to "Ryan" for recognizing he was on a bad path...one that leads down into a hole. He took responsibility for himself and is trying to get out of the victim mentality, and make a change. It is work. And he is doing it. Proud of you ! Wish the rest of these men could pull themselves out of the hole they have dug for themselves. But sometimes a hole is a warm comfy, if lonely, place to be....easier to stay in that hole.
“I really struggle with expressing myself to anybody at all” Simple but hits my heart. For lack of better term, that’s my inner demon too. Just feels like a meaningless and worthless endeavor 99% of the time.
Power through it bro. Every day is a chance to improve yourself. Loving others starts with taking care of yourself.
Ryan is a good looking guy with a sensitive soul. It is heartbreaking that he was taken down by this toxic group.
They're not sad because they cant attain meaningless sex. They're sad because their life has no meaning when sex is divorced from purpose.
Ryan hasn't changed, it's simmering beneath and if anything goes wrong with his relationship, he's right back into it.
I hope ryan reaches the state of mind that he's trying to reach and i hope the others do too, it mostly seems like an extremely toxic state of mind
I know him and I definitely think he will he’s actually a really nice guy just been ig kinda brainwashed
@@zeamay4490 at 21 years old I can tell you it's over for him. He would have got somewhere already. He listened to his inner voice and has got critical thinking skills. Your standing in society is set up early.
Reality is a "toxic state of mind" then? Do you actually, really believe that hating someone developed only from online forums you don't find unless you search for them? What do you think makes in/cels like me seek out these forums? Reality.
Jesus this is sad. This paranoia where young males view and value sexual relationships in such a bizarre way stirred on by social media is a sickness. There's nothing healthy about it at all on both sides. The inability of youth to find, make and keep relationships without using SM is absurd, and it'll only get worse. Just tragic.
"These days I feel pretty neutral about women...I don't hate them as violently as I used to" is a pretty wild statement to make.
Its so strange to me, because this community wasn't around when i was younger. I had low self esteem, but had better luck with girls than some other guys. I know guys that were virgins when we graduated highschool, who have gone on to date and marry. Life is tough. Social media is ruining people's lives. Most of these guys would have been fine, if they didn't have this "community" to bounce negative ideas around with.
Although I’m not an incel by association, I still feel frustrated d resentful at times. I’ve tried improving myself physically and socially to be desirable to people. I can’t even make friends. Sometimes the loneliness builds up and I feel hateful. Other days I feel a little happier. The resentment comes and goes but I’m tired of feeling resentful. Deprivation, loneliness, rejection, and isolation despite trying can really f**k up your mind.
Tell me about it
Social media and cellphones, before those solving loneliness was just a walk through the neighbourhood, now the hood is empty, like a ghost town. And those who are there, are plugged into somewhere else, where you are not.
What I find extremely annoying about the phrase “incel culture” and the word “incel” is that I’ve been a very lonely person a lot of my life, I’ve found it very difficult to find relationships, and there are times that yes it has made me angry. But that doesn’t mean I’m toxic to women or wish any harm to women. Now whenever people talk about men who have a hard time finding a partner it’s automatically associated with “incel” and all these associations. Loneliness is an epidemic in modern late capitalist society. But for some reason there always needs to be some kind of category so they can call it a subculture and dismiss it or call it dangerous. It’s an emotionally violent society / world we live in. If this subculture exists then it’s a socio-economic problem it doesn’t just appear out of nowhere it’s systemic
Good point.
Agreed
Oh no, cope harder 😅
I'm sure you have experienced a lot of loneliness in your life. Assuming you are female if you wanted to find a sexual partner, you could have find one. Sexual needs are not shallow for those that can't find someone. I've heard women say, "Well one time I walked into a nightclub and didn't talk to anyone all night. It wasn't no big deal. Men have no reason to complain". These women still can find someone to have sex with and completely miss the point make an invalidating statement such as "I’ve been a very lonely person a lot of my life". The "incel culture" at least gives the celibate men validation that they didn't get from you. I grew up during the tail end of the sexual revolution. As a teenager most of the kids I knew thought we all get laid eventually and we did. A lot of young men today just don't have hope while a young woman walks into a nightclub and she is treated like a celebrity just for being female.
I'm surprised that there hasn't been more research on the relationship between autism and identification with the incel movement. The one thing that almost all incels suffer from is a deficit in social skills, presumably for many biological and environmental reasons. If people really cared there would be an organisation to improve their social skills and teach them "game" in an ethical manner.
I feel like a non aggresive female incel. Like woman face this shit too. Or well ugly or fat woman. I think woman tend to implode inwards while men explode outwards. But the frustration is the same
Ryan was only 15 when he got involved in the online groups. Its sick its like they are grooming, young boys like Ryan who was bullied by girls. Luckily, he pulled away from it, and not only that he grew up to be a nice looking guy. I was bullied by boys from age 10-15. I used to have a big nose, was skinny as a bone, and crooked teeth, before I grew into my body, got my teeth fixed and my nose done. Because of the bullying I developed an obession with wanting to be sexy to prove the bullies wrong, it eventually resulted in me secretly looking up grown women as a teen who worked in so called sexy jobs, and me gravitating towards working in the adult industry which Im still trying to escape.
Just so people know virginity for 18 to 30 year old men is estimated to be around 40% now in the west.
I think only those stats for 24-30 are important.
A vid about incels focused on a woman and a guy with a girlfriend. Wt?
theres 2 parts
They're not sad because they can't find, "sex' they're sad because a relationship used to come packaged with MEANING and belonging in society. The term, "incel" is a shallow misappropriation tha is designed to hide the actual issue. Men want to have purpose, not "sex" in the way that it is presented in post modern times
60% of american males in the range 18-30 are single, while 30% of women in the same range are. This is not a niche issue. But you are still talking about it like it is niche.
Mankind is going down the plug hole
There can be such an issue with connecting with others. I’m on the autism scale but am able to interact successfully with others and have been married for many years. But it can be a painful learning process.
I’m so impressed by Ryan’s growth
Ryan seems like a sweetheart that was swayed by a toxic community. He is so young still, I really hope the very best for him.
Ngl I think I’m becoming one. Women never show me any attraction. I try to talk to them but they never show interest, I fumble every time. I’ve kinda just gave up now
Sorry man. The best advice I can give you is improve your looks. Do everything. Get a good haircut, lift, and if you really need to, get cosmetic surgery. Don’t get surgery before researching the shit out of it. Bless :).
Women don't owe you interest. It's not funny to feel rejected all the time, however no woman owes you interest.
The you are indeed an in cel.
Your not becoming one, you was always an incel only now your aware.
Just take a shower bro . That's what Chad told me
escortmaxxing is a temporary solution but not viable long term
I’ve never grace that term what is it. Paying?
Here in texas its a "state jail felony"....which is fine🤷♂️...i dont mind breaking dumb laws but it makes it hard to find one that doesnt charge like $1200 for a night....if it was legal i wouldnt be so bitter about it today....im 25 and only ever been rejected....11 times now in 2023 alone...
Escortmaxxing won’t make you feel loved or wanted. It will only give you some sexual gratification and that’s about it.
escorts have standards these days. I saw a profile recently in the UK where an escort won't see overweight / balding / bad teeth / short men. lmao!
Humans are always attracted to pretty things. What can you do about it, life isn't fair sometimes.
I knew this guy, who had a crush, on one, of my lady friends. He rode a harley, I guess he thought, that gave him some points😅, was missing a front tooth😮, and wasnt much of a good dressed man; or even tried to smell good. He did own a big house. Anyway, he just couldnt figure, why she was not intetested, in him. I actually had to bring up the tooth, etc. He still thought he was 'gods gift' to women. Years later, still no woman on his, over rated motor-bike😂 Women have senses too...porn can mess people out of REALITY!!!
As a black 'average looking' woman I'm basically at the bottom of the spectrum in terms of desirable based on society's definition of beauty, yet i dont walk around with hate in my heart for anyone. I dont hate women more beautiful/desirable and i dont hate on guys who aren't attracted to me, these so called incels need to lose that chip on their shoulder. Women don't owe you anything, focus on yourself, be a good person, get a life and you'll find your person and if you dont it's not the end of the world.
Spot on👏
Not that it matters what I think or say... but you're gorgeous... obviously inside... and out!
Exactly their pathetic btw I think your Beautiful and your obviously beautiful on the inside too that is what make you different from these losers
Women don't owe us anything I know that but becoming a good person and getting a life doesn't make any sense too still they won't come to us it's a lie and stop playing the victim card average looking women still get love because they control Dating and hookups and sex everything.
While I don’t like Incels and I’m not one myself I think you miss the point. As a woman you might be low on the spectrum but you can have romantic or sexual interactions with a man if you want. Incels absolutely CANT unless they pay for it. Woman that are a 1/10 at the bottom of the barrel can still get a man even if they had no limbs not to sound funny. I think it’s something a woman will never understand because they have no idea what it’s like to be in the body of a man and vise versa.
ive known an incel he just cried everyday he was a peaceful gguy i saw no hate in his eyes or speech. he was just short and ugly to be honest and really depressed
OF COURSE THE FUMO OWNER IS AN "EX" INCEL 😭😭
I think the start is to not designate onesself to being an incel, or incel for life, but rather looking elsewhere, not these forums on the internet. I think amongst phantasy, larp, cosplay festivals there are many also outcasts, alt, goth and whatever people you might find connection with.
The last time i held hands with a girl was about 1987...the last time i hugged a woman was about 1994... life is hell
It's over for Touhoucels
This is peak documentary. Showed he liked stuff related to anime but didn't make it look like it's the evil that is making him hate woman. Unlike other documentaries related to sad people in the internet.
As long as we persist in neglecting and villainizing (instead of humanizing) these young individuals in a negative light, they will remain susceptible to red/black pill ideologies within these communities and will continue to isolate themselves in their self-reinforcing circles, becoming more radicalized.
But they are villains? Incels literally advocate for women's autonomy to be taken away as they feel so entitled to women's affection, they believe we shouldn't be able to choose who we date, sleep with, marry, reproduce with etc.
I get what you’re saying but it’s hard to humanize people who fantasize about raping women because they feel inadequate
@@makenzienohr4105 That's why we need to humanise them BEFORE they get to this point
@@makenzienohr4105and yet they are actually human... so if we want to solve the problem, we have to
@@makenzienohr4105 as of now, the vast majority of them are alienated and nonviolent. Now, not later, now is the time to remind them that things can always get better. If we don't intervene, their numbers will increase and it will snowball until they become the supermajority of young men by the end of the next decade. Not good.
I'm 26 and never been with a girl or even been on a date in my life. I'm short 5'5 skinny and have a babyface that still makes me look 16. How on earth do I succeed????? I have it all against me.
I'm 54 and on my third wife. Trust me, none of them are worth it. If I didn't have the first two divorces I'd be retired by now. Just live your own life.
Just make friends first, don’t expect anything, just treat girls same as you would a guy friend. then once your friends tell her you have feelings or whatever, if she doesn’t feel the same way that’s fine. Tell her that’s okay you like having her as just a friend. Give it a little time then ask her to introduce you to one of her girl friends. The more girls you have as just platonic friends the more girls you’ll get introduced to and a good word put in, you’ll also learn how to talk to girls comfortably , that’s more important than looks
You gotta stop being so caught up in your so called failings and work on other attributes that attract others. No one likes those that are self absorbed or those drowning in self pity. Concentrate on emitting good energy and you'll find that attracts others. Confidence is key.
Brutal
Get some hobbies / skills other than the internet and meet some new people .. if you are a nice person doesn't matter how different you look or different your mind is you will find somebody compatible
Literally just saw a video about how powerful our thoughts are. This video is a great example of that video's message.
I dated briefly a "former" incel... the guy was *INCREDIBLY TOXIC* and verbally violent. No love & understanding from me or anyone was ever enough for him to get f-ing reasonable about his shortcomings. In the end he almost beat me and I left... *never date males who have resentment towards women* no you will *not* change him 😒
Is it illegal to be a virgin? Seems as a man if you're still a virgin automatically is described as an incel. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding? Can someone help me comprehend that please?
It’s OK to be a virgin, it’s perfectly fine. But the issue with it is that they make their virginity as their whole personality. It’s the other side of chosen celibacy or religious based virginity. So it’s okay, but they make their virginity as a “oh woe is me” angle and actively look to blame society for it, without considering the many other reasons
you're an incel if you cannot attract women, but not all virgins are incels
Google manosphere, you'll find everything you need to know.
'Incel' as a word has so many meanings it has become useless as a label For some people it means violent misogynist and for others it means sad virgin
no its a way of identifying
Gonna need Ryan to drop the link to that cute "be quiet" snail pillow. But also, good for him for recognizing terrible behaviour and trying to change, clearly he has quite a way to go, but taking the first step is important.
You not ugly. You just don't meet enough people and you are probably living in a place you're not appreciated. All that can change when one travels. If you have love to give, go to where it's wanted and needed.
I disappointed that this documentary doesn’t have ethnicels in it. JBW is a real thing where it’s almost rare to find a woman saying she doesn’t date white men. Ethnicels almost have no chance of ascending as race is an important factor in dating
They probably filtered the ethnic cels out of the casting lmao. Kind of the same way ladies of the night filter them out. There's a lot of young Indian guys in Australia. It's deliberate they've been omitted. Sbs are super woke and wouldn't want to appear racist.
Because they are still bluepilled.
JBW
As a Scandinavian i can tell you its just as bad if you're just slightly below average as a white guy, been treated badly by women most of my life.
You'll find some in Part 1 of this doco - check it out here: kzhead.info/sun/jLuee9eGh5aegK8/bejne.html
I’m am an incel not a violent one though. Just involuntarily celibate.
Every one of them got anime gear on. Must be the uniform.
Not all outcasts these days are incels. Remember that everyone some of of us outcasts have our unique stories don't paint a broad brush on all these lonely men
I had this one girlfriend, she was also my last. The stress and hurt from relationship is what I hate. I feel as if I don't want anyone because I am shit and they are shit too. So I come to the conclusion: ''What's the point?'' I personally dislike any gore, it just disgusts me and makes me feel nauseous. I know my mental state ain't good, but I try to at least keep a bit of morality in my head. So that I wont go crazy and do something I would regret later.
2:28 The rammie 😭😭😭
This was very well done. You all didnt judge them or respond with anger.. that is the root. Nobody listens to them
I'm disabled so I guess I can pass as a mental cel. I'm a very happy person though. I'll find someone special one day
same here 100% but i'm a woman so people wouldnt consider me a cel.. wocel? idk lol
Inside the world of incels: First incel "I'm not an incel". OK.
It's Over Bro! Another Brutal Propaganda Pill
You can not portray incels as serial killers, is like saying that an extreme conservative represents the point of view of all conservative movements or an extreme progressive represent the point of view of all progressive movements.
Actual professional therapy and /or medication and treating as a form of addiction is needed to help someone adjust and move away from incel mindset.
this was a eye opening and compelling series of parts on the culture, what reinforces it, whos at risk and science behind it.
Fumos jumpscare at 2:26, you have been warned
Why did he laugh after saying he had rape thoughts ab girls? Mortifying
Please keep in mind that INCEL comes from Involuntarily Celibate. One study shows that over 30% of men are either still virgins or haven't had sex in the past year. Even a large percentage of men who are actually in relationships would be considered Incels because they're in a sexless relationship. I've been with my current wife for almost 14 years and it's been over a year since we've had sex. Even when we did, it was usually only a few times per year. So, because I'd actually like to have sex but I'm not, by definition, I'm an Incel. Stop taking a small percentage of men in a group and expanding that to represent all men. No, I don't hate women, I'm not violent towards them and I don't rape them. Do I believe a lot of women have unrealistic standards as far as what they want in a man. Most women say they want a man who is both at least 6' tall and earning over $100K, which is only 2% of adult men, so a lot of women pass over good men in search of their dream man who doesn't exist. That is a far cry from hating women and wanting to hurt them.
Do these men not believe women get judged on looks lmao
When ryan was on about those dismembering vids ive seen them and can say its so easy to access
I feel glad you came forward
Ryan, Josh Ruse and Lani - the 3 feds.
Interesting video!!
Confidence, being funny and being kind is key. Just relax and go with the flow.
Shows in lotta cases luxe don’t mean shit from a woman’s perspective, he looks pretty attractive
Another great video for legends.....
Darker side? There is no light to begin with among incels, how can it get darker?
Lani is no way to be outcasted, she looks great.
0:41 lol elliot didnt have everything he was below average in looks and height got around 500 a month which is more than most but how is that everything? lol id rather be tall good looking and poor than ugly short and have money
I don’t even get the height thing tbh I mean for caring so much about, it I’m like 1- 2 inches shorter than him and don’t care if a guy is my height or even shorter but I guess society/other women can, I’ve met a couple but yeah I’d rather not be him because torment and wtf. He was physically attractive more than a lot of guys imo def not below average in looks hbut cockiness and the way he was ruined it. His personality and mood / brain disorders and some rich Cali school and liking cheerleader types was the issue and I get that some girls can be seriously mean but he could not seem to empathize in general and was hypersensitive, the latter I grasp. It’s odd, I’m all down on myself but he was like I’m a god they don’t appreciate. Ugh
The term "incel" carries with it a presupposition that these men are sad because they can't find, "sex" but really it's about a society that only cares ABOUT sex and their higher nature being rejected and obfuscated.
In my headcanon, the Fumos reformed "Ryan".
Why this guy owns a fucking fumo 💀💀💀
How is he an incel? Nice jawline, decent eye area and skin. Gymmaxx, get a haircut, and start skincare. He'll be an absolute mogger
Looks are only half the battle, its his attitude and personality that need to be refocused, which it seems he's trying to do. That being said I wish him the best of luck in life.
No he is not
Being incel sucks
What’s so crazy and that the guys I see, are not bad looking at all! I am praying that these young men find their path and I pray for Ryan to continue a healthy and fulfilling life, he’s a good looking guy and i hope he finds a relationship that loves, supports and cherishes him, same with the other guys.
They are better looking than they think they are. Men don't have to be Chads, some of which have been the most vacuous, asinine and fatuous individuals I have met because their success with women hinges on how attractive they are. Get shredded at the gym and modify your looks as much as you can/want but above all, find what makes you happy. A happy man is an attractive man.
I'm not incel , but I think what they are saying is correct. Only the nice looking guys get all the attention and if you born ugly man, you are screwed. Nobody will love you for who you are
@@damongirl66😂 Stop gaslighting. You don't even know what they look like 😂😂😂
Women find 80% of men ugly. You don't need to be objectively ugly at all you simply need not to be gorgeous to end up alone for life
I hope I escape inceldom one day. I'll start by not calling myself incel anymore.
Good luck Ryan, I feel that there is hope for him, he’s a good looking guy and has made that self awareness of that he was Ill really, I hope his path at bettering himself and being more comfortable in himself works!!
Where can I find the groups
I actually laughed out loud about how “women have it easier”. Just absolutely insane to say this in the same breath as “I’ve wanted to break a woman’s nose just so she wouldn’t be beautiful anymore”. 😂😂😂 sicko
Woman have it easier in some aspects men have it easier in some aspects. In reality to goes both ways.
did he actually break their nose? no
You're missing the point. The possibility of being assaulted by a man is something that may make life more difficult for women than men, but it is only a small possibility. What he was referring to was how it is easier for women to get sex and to be accepted socially.
@@jeffreychandler8418he didn't but many other's do
I could've been that person, but life moves on. The best thing is to focus on who you want to be, even though unrequited love can be disappointing. Oddly enough, I have had better luck during my 30s finding romantic partners (since the beginning of COVID-19 era) than my high school or college years.
re. "Oddly enough, I have had better luck during my 30s finding romantic partners (since the beginning of COVID-19 era) than my high school or college years." - That is not in any way "odd". It is the norm because you presumably have financial resources now that you did not have then.
The most important line is --'Treat them like Humans' 😓
"The darker side of the incel world" ...is there a lighter side? 🤣
Ryan is extremely good looking, I don't know why with such a good head on his shoulders and the ability to tell right from wrong and remove himself from the toxicity he is grouping himself up with these people still.
People want to feel belonged. He was bullied by girls. And maybe apart from his gf. No girl group might have proved his initial experience wrong.
"Extremely good looking". Yet there is no way in hell you or most women would date him. If a man is "extremely good looking", he will NEVER. N.E.V.E.R. struggle with getting sex. You also NEED to have game as a man - you're the one pursuing, so you HAVE to understand women. The burden is ALL on you as a man. And this is why it's damn near impossible for SOME men to succeed in dating
It's over for normies. You still have prejudice In you heart do you know why incels are suicidal it's because everyone tyrannizes them. So the only community which does accept them is them also most of the posts are satirical we are diverse. Again not everyone is the same and why do you think it's toxic? More prejudice against incels. he may have friends and there topics he can discuss with other people that may not be accepted in general. Also the first step to Brian washing is to isolate. He can be in many different communities.
None of what you said matters if no one wants you 🤷♂️. His reflection skills and moral compass don't get noticed
You don’t know the harsh reality for men now a days . 95 percent of women are going for 5 percent
The vicious anti male Feminist rhetoric certainly isnt helpful to society.
I think these men are really depressed and are mentally ill. They need therapy.
That's f*cked up man 😂 why would you like to break the nose to someone who didn't do anything to you ?💀
Why do they hate ALL women when there are so many women who are in the same situation as them in life and struggle with the same issues?
Even if 99% of people think you’re ugly that 1% is millions of people
Yes. So I can get laid?
There is no 1%
Very insightful. Excellent reporting.
Not all are virgins. Some are fed up with female nature in general.
First seconds about his room say more, than all entire video.
“Treat them with respect, treat them like people” that’s a tough ask when you don’t give women that same respect….
They never show a subfive in these vids
Pls add subtitles to it for better understanding
I simply couldn't care much for a relationship.
It's crazy how much attention this shit has been getting now.
Will there be another part?
the touhou dolls on the first clip lol
I hope Ryan sees this comment section and realizes he's definitely an attractive likeable guy. Its awesome that he's started to recognize some if the toxic thoughts.
aintnoway the first shot already includes shameless napkins and a fleshlight combo lmao