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Join Arianna and Maple as they delve into the expansive dunes and intricate politics of "Dune: Part Two." After their individual experiences with the first installment, they come together to react to the thrilling continuation of this epic saga. Witness their excitement and analysis as they explore the deeper layers of Arrakis, the escalating conflict, and the evolving journey of Paul Atreides as he navigates his path towards destiny. React with them to the stunning visuals, intense battles, and complex characters that fill this grand tapestry of loyalty, power, and survival. "Dune: Part Two" promises to expand the universe even further, offering new alliances, enemies, and challenges that test our heroes both physically and morally.
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47:57 - Review
"I wrote the Dune series because I had this idea that charismatic leaders ought to come with a warning label on their forehead: "May be dangerous to your health." - Frank Herbert.
Too many people don't know this was the entire reason
Too many people don't realise this was the entire reason for the books
Yep, can't wait for Messiah.
I think one of the biggest reasons why there's such a divide among audience's response to Paul is because his archetype isn't nearly as familiar with in pop culture. Paul is not a hero, or villain or even anti-hero. Paul is a tragic hero, and that's a very different thing than most of the discourse surrounding the character and ultimately what Herbert is trying to communicate within his work. The whole "Paul is good guy vs. Paul is bad guy it just depends on your perspective" perspective misses the point. Paul is very deliberately written as the Mary Sue of Mary Sues; he's raised from birth as a mentat, an order that represents all of the sacred aspects of the masculine. He's surrounded by alpha males who love and guide him. He's trained in the Bene Gesserit way by his mother, representing all the cunning power of the feminine. Paul's mother loves him and his father so much that she disobeys a sacred order of her own sisterhood. Paul is raised as a ducal heir and learned in the ways or war and politics. He then goes on to live among the most robust, resourceful and pragmatic people in all the imperium and eventually becomes their legitimate ruler after succeeding in all of their rituals and besting all comers. At this point the missionaria protectiva is moot, Paul has fulfilled all of the prophecies that no other person in the imperium ever could, he literally is That Guy and proves it. And that's all before becoming the goddamn Kwisatz Hadderach, the supreme being who can see in all places at once. The most capable human to ever live. And yet, even this supreme being is unfit to wield such monopolized power because no one is. The jihad is inevitable, violence sings its own song. This understanding of power is demonstrated in all the surrounding characters and subplots. The Bene Gesserit have the hubris to think they can control humanity and even the Kwisatz if they just patiently plan in the shadows long enough, the Fremen think they are ready to fulfill their dream of the "green paradise" which they do, but at great destructive cost to themselves, and so on. Herbert once stated that his favorite president was Richard Nixon as Nixon taught the American people to distrust presidents.
Goddamn this is a perfect frigging comment. #LetoAtradiesIIdidnothingwrong
Great insight!
This should be required reading for all reviewers of this movie.
I should hope that anybody who's seen the Star Wars prequels is very familiar with the concept of the tragic hero. In fact I've seen many, many comparisons online between Anakin Skywalker and Paul Atreides, and I don't think those comparisons are unwarranted. They both fit a very specific mold of a person who dedicates their life to keeping their darkest dreams from coming true, only to make them true through their actions.
It’s the “golden path”..The means to an end while horrifying are also the only way humanity can survive.
"Are there multiple books?" oh boy are there 😂
And after Dune Messiah it starts getting increasingly weird. Frank Herbert was a strange, strange man.
@@wackyvorlonstrange but brilliant right? Riiiighhhhht?😉
@@wackyvorlon I tried to go on reading after Messiah, but (no spoilers) it just wasn't the same anymore.
@@cheesehands3112 I’ve read the first three, about a third of the way in to Children of Dune it felt like Herbert ran out of material honestly. I haven’t read God Emperor, though I know it definitely has its fans. I still have no idea why Wensicia thought her plan could possibly work. Honestly I feel like she is the first stupid character in the books.
@@mohammedashian8094 I generally think so. In Dune he crafted a really fascinating world, and worked through the consequences of aspects of that world very thoroughly. In Dune Messiah he managed to make a book with an exceedingly intricate and complicated plot work. Not many people could pull it off. He also had a weird thing about eyes. The Eyes of Ibad, then the stoneburner, then Hayt. I do not know what was up with that.
Stilgar's devotion to Paul is funny at first, but the more it goes on, the more terrifying his blind faith becomes. That final shot of him yelling "Lisan Al Gaib!" as a war cry really changes the originally comedic tone. Fantastic writing and acting.
Yeah Paul in the books talk about this a lot, and how sad and upset it makes him. Where the further he goes in becoming the KH, the more stilgar (people) loses his individuality and just blends into/becomes a part of a group. He loses his best friends as they become blind zealots. Wait til they make _Dune: Messiah_ lol. Can’t wait to see Arrakis in that movie. Not to spoil anything story wise, but it will make Dubai look like an ant hill, in both size and opulence.
Paul is right telling his mother that what the Bene Gesserit have done to the Fremen is tragic. They've been manipulating the fremen for generations.
@@DropBear_42 Right, and he knows that that fanaticism will become uncontrollable and it eventually makes him more like a villain or a tragic hero at best.
@@Tman001100 yeah exactly. Even if he were to die it wouldn’t matter at this point as the Fremen have so much power. I think he just feels despair at his life seemingly being already decided for him. He’d probably rather just fk off w channi in a cabin by the lake or something lol Even if it means a better future, he must be sad to sacrifice his life + being able to see the future he can’t even be hopeful that things may chance. He knows what’s going to happen (tragedy) but knows he must do it anyways, and man that must be horrifying
I found it more depressing than terrifying. It hollows him out and his faith replaces his personality. It's like watching a lion brought down by disease.
Not Maple thinking the Baron floats because he's "..." (evil) XD
imagine being so evil... youfloat
It was so stupid but so funny
Dead giveaway
lol she thought he had psionic powers.
@@Diegesis Full Video
Watching this in IMAX was one of the greatest experiences if my life
i had to watch this three times in IMAX cause I knew it'd be a long time before something as good as this will take advantage of IMAX's format
Saw it first in a regular theatre. HAD to see it in IMAX. Almost a religious experience. The sound design in this movie is out of this world.
The Arena scene was fucking insane in IMAX. The crowd chanting "Feyd-Rautha" was electric I don't think any other cinema going experience will top it for me.
Even in a run down theatre needing an upgrade was incredible. I can't imagine how overwhelming the soundtrack would be in IMAX.
The best IMAX screen in my area had all the best seats booked for the entire run, I'm still mad I didn't get to see it that way. I feel like IMAX theaters could print money by doing a double feature of teh Dune movies like a couple times a year.
The anti-gravity thingy that the Baron uses to float is called a suspensor. And yes it's the same tech that the Harkonnen soldiers at the beginning of the movie to fly up to the top of the mountain. The Baron is so obese that using a suspensor harness is the only way he can move on his own two feet.
Thanks to the older reverend mother... she did that to him.
@FosterTravis1071 that is lore from after Frank Herbert, and I discredit damn near anything his hack son Brian ever dared touch of his father's works. Frank did have original notes planning the Reverend Mother Moriam as Jessica's mother, but the whole "sexual assault of her and the ridiculous, magically never explained 'fat body disease curse'" crap was all written by the son.
@@KrazzeeKane well the baron in the originals was a deviant pedophile so sexual assault isn’t exactly outside the guys wheelhouse.
@@FosterTravis1071 That is from the non-canon extended Universe books which mostly SUCK.
The suspensor lamps use the same tech as well!
The sun of geidi prime is basically infrared, changing everything black to white. Like the bene geserit sisters, they're gowns go from black to white while walking out
If I had to guess, I would assume most of the natives of Geidi Prime are also bald due to the unique radiation being admitted from their black sun that probably inhibits the process by which hair follicles would typically be produced from the skin.
wouldn't that make the Harkonnens have black skin and white clothing, opposite to what they have on arakis?
@@Ebb0Productions in the books they have red hair
@@surfingtothestars Which they appear to at least nod to, since Jessica has red hair. Though... could you imagine Batista with red hair? Lol. Even better, imagine him with the more orange-ish hair that the Harkonnens had in the 1980s Dune movie, lol.
@@vodengc520 ginger Batista "STRIIIIIIKE" 😂😂
Dune part 1 and 2 are the adaptations of the first book Dune (1965). The next movie will be the adaptation of Dune Messiah (1969), it will be only one movie because the 2nd book is shorter than the first one. Frank Herbert wrote 6 Dune books.
The last one is Children of Dune right?
@@eragon400 Nope that's the third. Last one is Chapterhouse: Dune
@@eragon400 That is the last book regarding the immediate generations of the current Atreides family - After that, the books take a large time jump into the far future.
It won't be Dune Messiah, it will be Villeneuve's Dune Part Three - he made so much changes to the second part of the book with the second movie, adapting the third book as is would just drown the audience in the sea of plot holes.
@@echinorlax🙄
This is not the end, only the beginning. Coming soon, DUNE Messiah.
Not as soon as we would like. 😄
I wouldn't quite say "soon" since Dennis already signed up for another project to develop and film before Messiah, unless you consider "before the end of the decade" to be soon lol
not soon. Villeneuve said he wants to make the greatest movie ever and, as such, he feels it prudent to "take his time" with it. That is a very intelligent man. He very much understands the process.
28:48: BOTH Duncan and Gurney taught Paul combat and warfare; although yes, Gurney was teaching Paul fighting, in Duncan’s absence. It’s Just that Duncan focused more on hand-to-hand combat and the survival of the individual soldier, while Gurney focused more on Military combat, tactical strategy and battle formations… but both were still considered war-masters, despite their different roles as Paul’s teachers.
you forgot to talk about his most important martial arts teacher, his mother the Bene Gesserit are the best warriors in the known universe
@@houseofaction didn’t forget BUT it’s right to state! She’s one of the best war masters in house Atreides, unofficially
Nope. Gurney’s hand-to-hand was supreme. Later in the books it was revealed that Duncan once said Gurney could beat him 6 times out of 10.
Apparently Denis plans to adapt Dune Messiah which could be VERY hard. Dune read like a hero story but Dune Messiah was very much the author saying “no, you all missed the point. Paul is not the good guy.” Denis clearly set this up in this movie which could make the next movie easier. We’ll see I guess.
Yeah, it's definitely doable...but the tone will have to be different. The early 2000s miniseries portrayed Dune: Messiah mostly well but combined it with Children of Dune in multiple parts. God Emperor of Dune would be the hardest to adapt, though.
@@Tman001100 For sure, God Emperor was kind of a bridge between two trilogies. The perspective alternates drastically between very pulled out and very granular.
For a movie adaptation of God Emperor it might be better to make [spoiler] and Siona the central characters and make Leto II more mysterious by showing him more through the eyes of others. People who have read the books and know his motivations and thoughts can just fill in the gaps themselves.
If he does he shoukd do it like the SciFi channel's miniseries and combine Messiah and Children into one.
That rumor that Herbert wrote messiah as a correction is absolutely FALSE. His intention was exactly that, see Paul as a hero by the end of Dune and then in Messiah you realize how wrong you were. Much more appealing story.
Fun fact is the eclipse at the start is completely real. There was a full eclipse at the time they were filming the desert scenes in Jordan
It's amazing, isn't it? 😮
"Completely real?" You mean they put a second moon in the sky just for that shot? :)
@@okreylos The lighting is real
@@okreylos you just don't get it, do ya Scott?
I mean, an eclipse is usually a matter of minutes, the whole sequence would have taken days if not weeks to fully shoot. The one shot of the sun being covered could be real, but the rest is definitely altered
Alia Atreides (the unborn baby) became fully aware as a personality long before actual birth, able to peruse their ancestral memories in the same way as a Reverend Mother when her mother drank the Water of life. Expert opinions say that might not be so good for the still developing mind :) Rebecca Ferguson's performance is absolutely brilliant in this movie
LETS GOOOOO Arianna Skywalker, “I hate sand”. Dune Part 1 & 2 are based on the first book. Dune Part 3 will be based on Dune Messiah. There are four more novels in the series authored by Frank Herbert. Those are the main Dune books. There are extra supplemental books written by Frank’s son Brian after Frank died, but the fandom largely disregards them entirely as they are pretty awful, completely lacking the nuance, wisdom, and philosophical themes of Frank’s original writings. I’d watch you two do a Dune deep dive all day.
I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere.
Austin Butler killed it as Feyd Rautha.
"I don't feel bad for him at all; he's a sack of potatoes." THE SPIT TAKE THAT RESULTED FROM THAT COMMENT.
It is a small thing but it is worth mentioning. Paul tells them to give the Baron's body to the desert. This is a really big insult. They don't even bother draining his water because he isn't even worthy enough of draining for their power system coolant.
And the Baron didn't get a thumper.
I love when the realization sinks in that Paul winning was not so good of a thing. People are so accustomed to stories with good guys and bad guys that it's hard to process something a little more grounded in the reality that things are never so clear-cut in the halls of power. It's part of why people have said for decades that Star Wars is Dune for children.
Its a good thing though, he literally gave freedom to the fremen. He foresaw the future and its the best thing he could do. Yes, many people will die but it would be worse otherwise
@@Hadis.Al-Albani You misread it. It's not about saving the Fremen. It's about exacting revenge for the death of his father and ascending to the throne ro preserve his father's bloodline. Chani is right about the Fremen only being exploited as fanatical warrior slaves. Even if that were not the case, there are only millions of Fremen. Hundreds of billions of innocents are going to die in this holy war. Spoilers for the books but not the next movie. After Paul's son, Leto II rises to becomes the God-Emperor (who ends up being even more brutal than the Harkonnens) the fremen go extinct and become a museum exhibit.
Well, until you get to the prequels and you get actual complexity but then people started whining about politics because all they wanted were space cowboy and laser samurai
@@cpob2013 Dude, you get that Star Wars was just one movie in 1977, right? No episode 4, no new hope. Darth Vader didn't even regain control of his ship in the original theatrical release. That was added AFTER it became the biggest movie of all time and sequels were inetiable. That celebration and those medals at the end? That wasn't just for winning a battle; that was because the empire was defeated. I'm sorry, the prequels aren't complex. They are still very much children's stories of clear-cut good vs evil. This despite that ep III being deemed a little too intense for kids under 13. Andor is when we finally got a Star Wars for grownups with any sort of moral ambiguity and even that is nowhere near as mature or complex as any of the six Dune novels.
Meh. Star Wars is entertainment, nothing wrong with that. Dune makes you think...which is fine for some of us, too. Books with 23 page definitions of terms aren't for everyone. I'd read the first book 3 times by the time I was 18, but none of my friends could get into it. To each their own.
POWER OVER SPICE. IS POWER OVER ALL.
He who controls the pumpkin spice, controls the white girls!
In the book, the Houses of The Landsraad accepted Paul’s ascendance to The Golden Lion Throne-That is why he betrothed himself to Princess Irulan. The Jihad began months after he began his rule. I guess for dramatic effect in the movie, the Houses spurned his rule. But it actually makes no sense. Paul would’ve foreseen them accepting his rule, this is why he would force Irulan to wed him. And why wouldn’t the Houses accept it? He was the son of a Duke, now the Duke himself, over a planet the Emperor had granted House Atreides in fief. If as the movie showed, The Great Houses had rejected his claim-Then he would have had no reason to go forward with marrying Irulan, and no logical reason to spare the Emperor’s life. In the books the true tragedy of the Holy War was that Paul, even as their prophet (of a false religion), even as Emperor, could not holdback his Fremen Fedakyn from spreading terror throughout The Imperium, in some mad bid to spread their religion.
It also does not make sense because Paul already controls the spice and the Spacing Guild would never allow the Great Houses to test his resolve.
Well it could be another feyd situation bc of you remember in the books Paul's prescience didn't count feyd in at all so he was genuinely surprised to see him in that throne room. While he can see all of the future visions with perfect clarity, there's still holes in the tapestry at times if u know what I mean.
@@nur418777 Another great point! Thank you. For all his talk about knowing the books inside and out. His Bible, he called them. Denis Villeneuve misses many obvious subtleties of meaning, philosophy and practicality from the books. He doesn’t understand the feudal dynamic nor the Spacing Guild’s power-The Spacing Guild is the most powerful player in the story, even besting the Bene Gesserit. Yet Villneuve shows nothing of it, nor did he see your very point.
@@whenallelsfails21 -There are, but when he drank The Water of Life, his foresight became sharper. Hence why after taking the Water, he could see the one narrow path. Later of course this would consume him, because he hadn’t the stomach to guide mankind down The Golden Path. But for argument’s sake. Let’s say the Houses spurned his rule, as they did in the movie. He then still would have no reason to wed Irulan or spare the Emperor’s life. And logistically, he wouldn’t have been able to spread the Jihad. He had no access to warships or grand troop transports. Paul won a Guerilla War. He didn’t have a Fleet. It’s only by ascending to The Throne with the Landsraad’s will, that he would have then been able to spread his Jihad. Willingly or unwillingly. The Fremen needed troop transports and much more military hardware to bring forth their fanaticism to the Known Universe at large.
Depends what they do for next movie. I trust Denis to make changes for good reasons. I may not agree with them but his reasoning seems to be sound most the time. I don’t think they are gonna do much of a time skip imo. We’ll see tho.
The way I describe this movie to people who haven't seen it yet is "Spectacular". And not only in meaning that it is a very good movie, but that it is a true spectacle from start to finish. So many iconic shots.
Arianna: “I don’t feel bad for him! He’s a sack of potatoes!” Excellent. Maple: “The only reason I would feel bad for him, is because he’s just an idiot.” Very nice! Thank you for your reactions. Now go see it in the big screen. I saw it in theaters with my son. When the grandfather worm appeared the whole theater shook like there was an earthquake. When Paul got on the worm my chair was like a bucking bronco trying to throw me off. I held on for dear life. I needed a seat belt. I reached for my son, fearing for his safety. He was screaming with joy. We both let go of our seats, raised our arms high and raised our feet off the floor. As the theater shook like it was going to be torn apart, my son and I RODE THE WORM with Paul! It was an exhilarating experience!!
Geidi Prime has a black sun which is why everyone looks pale and black and white.
Harkonnens scenes were the best part of the movie for me. Gigeresque, visionistic and darkly alluring. They way they were shot is sheer aesthetics. The decision to shoot the Giedi Prime arena in infrared is nothing short of genius. This is a truly great cinematic experience.
And nothing like the book except for the gladiator fights 😅 Geidi Prime is a volcanic industrial wasteland and the Harkonnen all have red hair, as well as red being the color of their house. Losing the red hair means the Jessica/Baron connection kinda comes out of nowhere... The Geiger-esque aesthetic here is likely taken from the pre-production work Geiger did on Jodorowsky's attempt (which Lynch also drew from).
@@LordVolkov this is not true, it is never told in the books that they all have red hair u took this from lynch movie and made it canon in your head
Paul uses the atomics to destroy the shield wall to allow the worms to pass into Arrakeen.
just so you know, this is 100% paul, and paul was never in danger of dying with the water of life. paul was trained by his mother in these techniques called the Prana Bindu mind and nerve training. which allows him to transmute poisons. he was never in danger of death, and he wasn't "dead" he was playing dead for Chani to "fullfill" her part in the prophecy her tears diluted by the poison would "revive" the lisan al gaib. so essentially paul let everyone think he was "dead" also his mother isn't a bad person she just wants to ensure pauls survival the only way she knows and that is by turning him into the lisan al gaib
Remember in the first film Paul's reaction to the holy war, "Somebody help me!"
I was really impressed by both Zendaya and Javier Bardem. The David Lynch Stilgar and Chani were cardboard cutouts, Zendaya and Bardem really gave these characters dimension and pathos
Got all excited when I saw this, I have been looking forward to it... Then I remembered it doesnt go live until 7pm UK time......Oh well it will give me something to watch before Eurovision starts
The chosen 2 have arrived 😉 5:56 It never rains on a Arrakis But now it's raining men
Paul's story continues for the next 2 books "Dune Messiah" and "Children of Dune". My favorite book is the 4th "God Emperor of Dune".
For me it’s Heretics of Dune, the 5th book. Unpopular opinion, I know, but 🤷🏻♂️
I tend to see his story having a pretty good ending with Dune Messiah. Children of Dune is much more focused on Alia and his children.
@@DinerLingo Heretics of Dune and Chapterhouse Dune go together as one story and they are my favorites as well (after the first book of course). The Bene Gesserit are much more fascinating when you get to know them in those books.
@@DinerLingo For me it's CoD and God Emperor but I also very much like Heretics. Messiah is the weakest.
The "Rhythmic Thumpers" are named "STÖTS" (Pallindrome) Found at the IKEA just outside of Arrakeen.
When Jessica consumed the water of life and transmuted the poison to survive, the event opened her consciousness and blended hers with all the reverend mothers that came before her. It is forbidden to do this to a pregnant woman, as the fetus undergoes the same transformation. Essentially, Jessica's unborn daughter, Alia, became fully conscious in that moment, empowered with all the memories and experiences of both her mother and all the reverend mothers that came before. That's why Alia is able to communicate with Jessica from the womb.
Paul's secret name, "Usul", is a word for the foundation/base of a pillar, that holds everything else up, and his war name "Muad'Dib", the kangaroo mouse of Arrakis, is also a constellation that points to their North Star, AkA "The One Who Points the Way", another word for leader, SO, Paul Muad'Dib Usul, AkA "Paul, the one who points the way, and is the foundation that holds us all up"... also, the Harkonnens planet is orbiting a black sun, so with that and their ozone layer, it makes an old school filter on the whole planet, so under the suns rays, everything is shades of blacks, greys, and whites, but away from the suns rays, they have colours, so in the daylight they use dark fireworks, and in the dark they use bight white fireworks, so u can see them better... PS: the water of life is hyper-concentrated spice...
If the water of life is concentrated spice. Does that mean normal spice is desert worn poop.
@@martinqizeaq kinda... info: Spice is generated during a worm's larval phase, when water combines with excretion in their nest. Over time, and with exposure to the sun, that mixture becomes spice.
@@spyro257 so what Paul wanna do when he says about destroy all spice field. Does that mean he wanna kill off all the sand worms.
@@martinqizeaq the Spacing Guild uses spice to feed their Space Navigators, the ones with a mask on, and all orange in their helmet, who then can navigate the stars, as "thinking mashines" (AI) has been banned, coz shit almost happened, think Terminator, meaning if he DOES nuke the spice fields, no more "human AIs" to navigate space... they would be F'ed if he did destroy them, AND, with Paul wanting to get water back to the planet, the worms would not be able to move like they do, and even kill off most... Spice is SUUUPER important, which is why they say "control over spice, is control over all" in the start of Part 2... hope that explains it...
@@martinqizeaq sandworms DO NOT LIKE WATER, as just a little, compared to their body size, will kill them, and for water to flow ON the planet, not just in it, it will end most of the sandworms, but the real reason, is that the Spacing Guild's Space Navigators, live in a fog of spice, so they can navigate the stars, and taking spice away from them, means no more space navigation, as "thinking machines" (advanced AI) are banned, coz it almost turned into a Terminator situation...
17:35 Dune theme kicks into overdrive both their jaws are dropped. These movies in a nutshell lol
Yes please do a discussion vid!
Yesssss more dune discussion in please
Saying he can’t get ride of the elvis voice while he perfectly displays the stellen skaarsgard voice like ok
Literally the only 'complaint' I had about this movie was Christopher Walken's muted performance - though now in retrospect I think its actually a positive. He's going against his typecast and playing the role of a dispassionate autocrat, and to expect him to bring his usual weird 'Walken-ness' to the role was unreasonable of me. Sound? Unparalleled. Visuals? Stunning at every turn. Acting? Top notch. I just hope we don't have to wait as long for the next part as we did between part one and two (understandable as it was).
The worm's poison has basically made paul into a demi-god, he can see all possible futures with perfect prescience. Paul knows for a fact that this is the only way to protect Chani and his Sister and minimize the damage of the war, which is going to happen whether he dies or not.
Yeah and chani actually UNDERSTANDS why he has to marry the princess, and she STAYS WITH HIM IN THE BOOKS!! They just had to ruin the story smfh
@@360gunner She doesn't turn away from him at the end because she feels threatened by the princess. Chani probably feels sorry for her, or maybe she couldn't care less about her altogether. She turns away because he broke his promise. She said she would love him as long as he stayed who he was, and by marrying her he shows definitively that he was never one of the Fremen, just another despot who would rule them. She loves Paul, but he's no longer the same man, and she can't stand to witness that. I think that depth in their relationship has made both of them endlessly more interesting characters.
@@swiftlymurmurs1825 I'm just stating the facts about the REAL story in the books. Even *IF* what you said was true (I don't agree but whatever) the problem is that it now completely RUINS THE ACTUAL STORY THAT THEY SHOULD BE FOLLOWING! If they wanted to make their own story and their own intellectual property that would be fine, but they're RUINING THE STORY OF DUNE! It wouldn't even have been that bad if this was the END of the story, but its still basically the Beginning so now they have locked themselves into CHANGING EVERYTHING ABOUT THE STORY FROM NOW ON, which makes it NOT DUNE.
its not perfect, it can easily be countered by people reading tarrot cards
At the very least, read the first two books to gain some insight of the deeper topics and themes. It's clear Arianna and Maple want more closure, and the first two - three books tell Paul's story. The books have a lot of information that's notoriously hard to put on screen, and don't feel any pressure to finish the series cause it's more than just Paul's story. Fun reaction, been looking forward to this one!
As if they would read the books, lol.
The situation with Chani at the end did not follow the book (yes, there are multiple books). I think they did it they way they did in order to set it up for the next movie. In the book, after Paul defeats Feyd-Rautha and subjugates the emperor, he claims the hand of the princess in a political union allowing him to claim the throne. That's why Duke Leto never married Lady Jessica, his concubine, because it was important he remain available to marry for political advantage. The main difference in the book is that, immediately after claiming Irulan's hand, and thus the throne, he made it very clear that Irulan would lead a barren, isolated life, as he would never touch her. Chani would officially be called concubine, but in every way that matters, she is his wife, his only love, and the mother of his children. She knew and understood this, and she stood by him.
The first book could be looked at as a solo book , Frank Herbert really only wrote the second book because people didn't understand the message of the first one. Frank wrote 6 books and passed away. The 6th book and final book he wrote was suppose to end as a trilogy. His son Brian and another author who had written with Frank before have wrote another 20 plus books about the universe. To give you a idea of how big the world is... the first 6 books span over 3,000 plus years.
What a shit show
If people misunderstood your message it's probably because you're a terrible writer. Just saying.
@@samithonjames370 People thought Starship Troppers the movie was an endorsment of facism, im not too sure about blaming the author everytime.
@@samithonjames370 I think we are supposed to have a more nuanced look at when the book came out (1965). 40% of the world is still "illiterate" at this time, with the US having just hit the 50% mark in men. This means that even in the US (SUPERPOWER), people are still getting their history/facts from word of mouth in their communities. Now add in the religious aspect in the 60's compared to today. I wouldn't say we are "smarter" than people in 1965, but I would say we are more educated/experienced as a whole. It is just easier to understand the book because of what we know and have seen today. In 1964, the Civil Rights Act just passed a year before publication... I think that one is self-explanatory. Now, after seeing the love for the movies so far, and particularly for Paul, I still think many people didn't get the point in today's world as well.
@@Howl_Jenkins_PendragonYou should probably get better at conveying your message if that's not what you want people to think.
Much in the way the Atradies family came from bull fighters, which mimics the ancient Iberian (Euro-Spanish) ritual of Bullfighting. The main bull would be worn tired poked w/ spears to tire it and make it ready to fight the main event. Feyud's birthday fight in the collesium mirrored the Atredies ancient ritual. The final combatant was poked to ensure Feyud could continue in the sacrifical ritual.
austin butler DID NOT use an Elvis voice in this movie he modeled his voice after the baron to showcase they are related
One of the side effects of chronic exposure to Spice (Melange) is that it gradually causes a person's eyes to turn blue, both the iris and the sclera. One thing that is not explained in the movies is that Spice (Melange) not only opens the minds to prescience but is also highly addictive. Paul's sister, Alia, was exposed to Spice (Melange) in the womb, so she was already aware in the same way as her mother and was born able to speak.
One detail that gets kind of glossed over is that Gurney mentions he negotiated a way off world for his men. In the books he goes with them, only to watch them all be killed in the arena. He thought he was saving them but instead delivered them to their dooms. If I remember correctly. In the movie he thought they were off world and safe and didn't know they had all been slaughtered.
36:01 Such an interesting thought. Paul saying that they will survive as Harkonnens is a reference to what Irulan said at the beginning. So the Fremen will do exactly what the Harkonnens did in the first part towards the Atreides - they will attack with the full "power of the desert" by surprise.
Dune and Dune 2 essentially cover the first Dune novel. The next book is Messiah which is currently being filmed. Generally, everyone thinks Denis Villeneuve is filming a trilogy, but Frank Herbert wrote 6 novels in that series. Then his son Brian Herbert teamed up with author Kevin J. Anderson and continued the series, which now stands at 23 novels. Conceivably, they could be making Dune movies for the rest of our lives as well as our grandchildren's lives. But tackling the entire series is best left to some future filmmaker willing to format the stories as a long running episodic journey, similar to GOT.
When they ride the worms, when they throw those hooks and "peel back" those pieces of worm skin/armor plating, the weird things underneath are how the worms breath, kinda like gills. There's actually a very important reason why they do this, the worms do not like to get sand in their "gills," so prying them back and exposing those gills keep the worms from rolling over and/or submerging back under the sand while there are Fremin riding them.
The third movie based on Messiah (the second book of the series) will be adapted by Denis Villeneuve to close the Paul Atreides arc of the story. It's already been confirmed and it should settled Paul and Chani relationship. In Dune part 1 and 2 some characters has been dropped and the chronology has been slightly changed, like Alia's (Paul’s sister) birth who was supposedly 3 or 4 years old at that time : She was the Baron Harkonnen killer in the original story, not Paul. These changes were necessary because of the movie's duration already longer than the average movie length and because Dune universe is too much dense for a simple diptych. Actually, HBO will soon release a new series about the Bene Genesserit sisterhood called "Dune : The Prophecy" which should be launched in the coming Fall. If you like their weirdness you might be interested to check
The next book is called Dune Messiah and is actually considered by many to be the best. So we should be in for a wild ride in the next installment
The baby is supposed to be running around battlefields cutting tendons and finishing off harkonen by age 2
So basically the logic behind worm riding is that you have to lift those “skin flaps” with your hooks which reveal those “nostrils” which the worms breathes out of. Once you do that it prevents the worm from diving into the sand, as getting sand into their “nostrils” really irritates the worm.
The first two movies that make up the first book are probably the least weird of the all the books. The next one "Dune Messiah" is where it gets pretty out there
the Dune saga is over 6 novels that Frank Herbert wrote, which his son, Brian, continued to write with prequel books all the way back to the beginning of the Butlerian Jihad; some 10,000 years before the time of Paul! Which is more than 10,000 years from now, showing the war between Humans and A.I.; thinking machines.
I have ZERO idea what Arianna is talking about with Butler, because dude managed to sound EXACTLY like Stellan Skarsgard to the point where in a couple of scenes I had to look for whose mouth was moving to tell who was speaking.
The next book is definitely the most depressing in the series (I only count the 6 that Frank Herbert wrote). Slaughter, sacrifice, tyranny, and tragedy are the cornerstones going forward in the saga. Ask yourself: What would you do to make humanity extinction proof?
I was distraught by the presentation of Chani in the final couple of scenes. In the book, there is a beautiful scene between Jessica and Chani where they discuss the necessity of a political marriage between Paul and Irulan but recognize that even if history calls the two of them "concubines," they were the women who were truly loved, first by Leto and then Paul.
04:27 - THE KING OF BALLSACK MOUNTAIN I nearly died. 😂 05:44 - Loud. Unbelievably and uncomfortably loud.
I'm glad that pretty much everyone is in agreement that the design for the ornithopters in this movie are spectacular. The visual and audio design for them is just *perfect*
paul nuked the maintain so the grandmother storm would overtake the base and so the worms could flank while him and his army pressed the other side.. the storm ripped all the thopters to pieces and with paul on his own they wouldn't dare use guns just in case he was wearing a shield in which case when the laser from a gun and the shield meet both sources detonate on a nuke level.. not only that but the direct response to paul is also flanked by ground fremin hiding in the sand he needed them alive as for the fight he knew the only way he could win was to get stabbed redirecting it to his shoulder while swapping his own blade from his body to fades its both short term and long term so if he used the voice to win non of them in that room would accept that as a win this should have been 3 movies cus they kinda rushed it the end part his sister was already suppose to be born with her being pre born shes already a person with all the past lives kinda taker her over even tho shes 2 years old she resembles a 5 year old able to talk and fight but also manipulate the stock of water was meant as a key to unlock the water hidden beneath the sands and with that lost and all the bodies being burned it would trigger it to rail alot of the prophecy's end up backfiring and paul realises he is not the one not really but he is the anker point for the human race with his path deciding what happens going forward either peace and freedom or death he doesn't foresee his sons birth as he is immune to foresight and his son becomes the one.. the god emperor that lives for hundreds of years guiding humanity down the golden path so they may never believe in gods again.. their hatred for him frees them triggering the great scattering as humanity burst out into the universe once again
The dream of Chani's face being burned by the explosion was a metaphor for what the destruction of Sietch Tabr did to her soul. Then Gurney used a single atomic weapon to break a hole in the Shield Wall that prevented sandworms from getting to Arrakeen.
Rabban isn't power hungry. But all he's ever known is sledge hammer. Bring down as much force as he can, even if he doesn't know exactly where he's aiming it. Feyd, however, is both vicious and precise, like his blades. The Arena scene on Geidi Prime was filmed in Infrared, which I thought was so cool. Regarding books, there are 6 from the original author, Frank Herbert. Dune Part 1 and 2 cover the first book. The 3rd movie will be the 2nd book, Dune Messiah. Sci-Fi channel did a mini series that covered the 3rd book as well, Children of Dune.
I appreciate that they immediately catch on that post-WoL Paul is a different character and his speech to the Fremen is bad news.
The black sun makes everything black and white
From the scene at the beginning when the Harkonnen soldiers are dropping like flies....it's literally "raining men" 😂
“I don’t know how to feel about this.” That’s the point, Paul isn’t the hero. Also the original series of Dune is 6 books by Frank Herbert.The real tragedy is Herbert was leading up to and alluding to some huge reveal but he died before completing another book after the 6th. The following books were written by his son after he died and aren’t really held to the same standard as the originals.
Paul Atreides is giving big Eren Yeager season 4 energy in that cave scene at 37:20
Absolutely. But Even more than that is the scene where he has just drank the water of life and is speaking to Jessica, and says he he’s a single path through the different futures where they and humanity can survive. 🙂
@@masamune2984 Yeah I was originally gonna say him drinking the water is giving kissing Historia's hand vibes but changed it lol
The first three books are likely all that Villeneuve will do.
And it's a pretty good place to end the story anyway. It completes the story arc.
First two
"He was a man who believed in the rules of the heart. But the heart is not meant to rule." says the Heartless man lol. It's always the heartless who say that, same as it's always rich people who try to tell us that, "Money doesn't buy happiness." Which is true to an extent--but if my options are being lonely and depressed in my shitty apartment, or being lonely and depressed on my 120ft mega yacht parked in the Bahamas, I'm gonna take the second option lol.
Remember, Jessica was forced to succeed the Fremen's reverend mother. That means that she had to *absorb all the memories that the former reverend carried with her.* The thing is, you arent supposed to be pregnant when that happens, because suddenly, that fetus will gain centuries worth of knowledge. In one second, that fetus went from a fetus to a god in the womb.
“This looks tight.” Exactly what I said at the end of that first scene where they take down the ornithopter
"Did he set off the atomics?!" Yeah, while looking directly at the blast... probably not great for the eyes, but I guess Paul has plot sunglasses for now 😎
Interesting you should mention that..
@@dongiovanni4331 😉🤫
For now...
I heard that the black and white cinematography was filmed using infrared cameras (or maybe filters?). That's in part where the otherworldly saturation comes from.
I haven't seen the movie, but I have to watch the intro of this because Maplianna is my favorite reactor duo. Maple is so Maple, and Arianna holds it down, and they're just so precious 😂 BRING ON THE DEEP DIVE DISCUSSION!!! WE NEED THE DDD!!!
In the book, Chani understands what Paul is doing and goes along with it. And his marriage to the princess is strictly for the title. He doesn't touch her or have a baby with her. The child he will have with Chani will be the heir, just like Paul was Leto's heir.
47:35 The original story by Frank Herbert has 6 books.
It’s not the Elvis voice it’s literally an acting voice by Stellan skaragard to sound almost similar to him.
Yes. Do a thing with Chad. This is such a complex story to think and feel about. It's worth it. Also, you are supposed to feel deeply conflicted. That is the whole point of the story. Villeneuve says he will only do Dune 3 to cover the next book, Dune Messiah. I think he's going to have to make some big changes.
Arianna: I hate sand Anakin: Me too...
47:31 Frank Herbert wrote six Dune novels, spanning about 5,000 years in-universe. God-Emperor of Dune (Book 4) is widely regarded as the second-best entry after Dune, but Children of Dune (Book 3) is very good in its own right, and concludes Paul's story. Frank meant to write seven books, but he died before finishing book seven, leaving only manuscripts and drafts. His son, Brian Herbert, finished the series and has written a whole smattering of expanded universe novels alongside Kevin J. Anderson, but those books are controversial and are outight rejected by some fans. Dune is great because it can be read as a standalone story. Happy with the ending? No need to read on. Want to know what happens next? Read on! Want to call it quits after Book 3? That works, too, since the Dune Chronicles was intended to be a pair of trilogies with Book 4 serving as a bridge between two eras.
It took me a week to fully digest this movie after Imax.
So i didnt know this until after i saw the movie but paul has the ability to stop his blood flow and slow down his heart rate which is why he was able to survive those two stabbings from freyd
paul’s first ride in an imax is the craziest theater experience i’ve ever had, i literally felt like i was gonna pass out. went and saw it 3 more times and i do not regret it at all
And those who dont recognise the actor who plays the Baron Harkkonen is the Swedish actor Stellan Skarsgård who has had roles in film like Ronin, Thor/Avengers, Hunt for Red October etc.
I recognized him from the Chernobyl mini series
I’d be here for a dune discussion
Chad discussion so he can tell you how in the books the 3 year old sister killed the Baron Harkonnen.
the two words to describe these films are scale and intensity. the visuals and sounds are incredible as well as the story
A bastard would not inherit the title unless recognized by the father (which Paul was) and did not have a "legitimate" heir.
22:55 And THAT is how you introduce a villain! Also, this scene (at least the outdoors part) is in black and white because this planet's sun is black.
The next movie will take years. Villeneuve is working on something else right now. And the story of the next book takes place a few years latter so it makes sense to film it a bit latter too.
Right, and I think that would give Chalamet time to maybe look older, more mature, maybe more weary with facial hair and perhaps a bit bulkier.
Gurney stepped in to teach Paul while Duncan was away on Arrakis.
seeing this in IMAX was a trip, the sound was so intense my seat was vibrating most of the time
Austin Butler is not using the Elvis voice, but he's copying Stellan Skarsgard's Baron voice
If there's a problem with splitting Dune into two films, it's that there are key points in the first movie that explain things that happen in Dune 2, but the movies were separated by almost 3 years. For example, it's explained in the first movie that the "Shield Wall" (i.e. the mountain range) protects Arrakeen from both the sandstorms (which disrupt shields) and sandworms. Hence, the use of atomics in Dune Part 2 to destroy part of the Shield Wall so Arrakeen has no protection against the Fremen attack. As far as the book series go, Frank Herbert wrote six: Dune, Dune Messiah, Children of Dune, God Emperor of Dune, Heretics of Dune, and Dune Chapterhouse. His son, Brian, co-wrote the rest with Kevin J. Anderson. I've enjoyed these newer books (and am currently reading "Paul of Dune" which details the events between Dune and Dune Messiah), but they do not compare to the original first three.
I knew this was coming when Arianna finished watching part 1, 6 days ago. Chad sets up the stage for a major reaction with smaller reactions pre-dating lol
You are not prepared for Messiah, and if it follows the book you will see Chani become Paul's concubine/child giver while he is married to Irulan, not to mention what he does in regard to one of his greatest fallen friends. Paul is not a great guy, he was made into a monster, but his redemption will be mindblowing to audiences if executed in the same way.
The Harkonnen home planet revolves around a black sun/star, hence why they're depicted in black & white.
"Grab that head like a basketball" made me chuckle