a quick rant about the Fallout TV show...
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A SPOILER FREE chat about the Fallout TV show, plus discussions of some LORE BREAKING stuff/how to take that. Want to note that I have not finished it yet, just sharing excited impressions from what I have seen. I imagine I’ll finish by the end of the week!
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I felt a stupid amount of joy when somebody hacked a terminal and started clicking on words in the mix of random symbols.
So good! Season 2 needs to have lockpicking in it lol
SO TRUE MrGlove! 😂
same! hearing the pipboy sounds and effects and the terminal hacking made me get goosebumps
I think he also hit the right word the first time which is a wonderful feeling that I hope every player got to experience at least once.
Hahaha, it would have been nice if it had locked him out at least once
Nobody talked about how the ghoul literally ate food in the middle of combat to get his health back.
We're to busy being angry at the tomatoes.
Didn't even think about it till this comment 😂😂
And would have been willing to share it with a fellow combatant but the guy had a hole in his throat.
Damn! Great point!
I would also like to point out that he did not steal those tomatoes! He respectfully paid for (and even left a generous tip!) to whomever was the vendor.................uh assuming he didn't kill the vendor amongst his killing spree of course.
"[Maximus] is a fan-boy, but he's not really there for the code. He wants to wear the armor, but he's not really about their goals." In other words, Maximus is most Fallout players.
exactly. I mean this is a huge wink wink to the players that side with the brotherhood for the toys . Didn't we all?
I think the 3 main characters Lucy, ghoul cooper and maximus are like the usual play styles. Evil, good and just whatever we feel like doing atm.
@@popdogfoolmaximus was so random 😂 like his writing was so much like how a first time fallout player would go through the game it was hilarious
@@mei_music No? Brotherhood is the only hope for the wasteland. Bethesda loves to try and make them seem like the bad guys, but if you play F1 and F2, you'll see the real Brotherhood of Steel and what they're all about. And if not the Brotherhood, then Ima go with the next best option, the Enclave.
That's so true! I read this comment 30 seconds after hearing her say that and thinking "huh, I kinda felt exactly the same as Maximus when i played" It totally makes sense that the writers did that deliberately.
The ghoul: “The wasteland's got its own golden rule, thou shalt get sidetracked by bullshit every time.” I love how accurately this was calling us out about how we leave any quest for later the moment something else draws our attention.
Damn I missed that reference the first time .
"Thou shalt get sidetracked by mod lists every time."
I love that line lmao
yup loved that little nod to me 30 hours in to the game hasn't done a single mainline quest lol
That was my favorite line of the show, tbh. 😂
I'd say there's 4 protagonists. Norms story was, in my opinion, just as important as the other 3 characters. His arc and character development is excellent.
'why does everyone choose the jello over apple pie?' 'we need someone to make the lemonade' Betty's growing bulging eyes. 'What is the Experiment in Vault 33?'
@@joso7228I dunno if Bud's buds counts as the experiment or they are just classed as control vaults as they get directly managed by vault tek and full of vault tek and or their offspring.
Good point!
@@Sasssskynot control vaults. They are seed vaults. They're the vaults Vault-Tec needs to succeed, their main investment.
Why does no one consider dogmeat a main character? This makes me sad in every video 😢
Tim Cain sent me here, saying this pretty much reflects his feelings of the show but put in a way he feels he can't articulate. Hows that for a shout out lol
me too! tbh i had already been here, but Tim said to come here sooooo....!!😄😄😄
Lol same
I'm also here right after watching his video. And yes, since I could watch him talk about just everyting till the end of time, this statement raised my expectations as well.
Same!
Here because of The Tim as well.
Here because Timothy Cain, the creator of Fallout, recommended this review.
Ditto
As do I.
Same
Same!
Maximus is John Boyega’s Finn character done right imo
The most authentically Fallout moment in the series is when the knight sees a Yao Guai and just runs away yelling "fuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuck" lol
The surprise mega boss was something I always loved in the Fallout games.
Best part about that to me is how initially when Titus was the squire he had to clean the groin plate and got lowkey bullied by the knight and then with the Yao Guai he was like omg this damn loser... But the second he got the suit and his own squire he started having that powertrip of his own and when the Gulper showed up he had his own fuckfuckfuckfuckfuck moment basically treading in the exact footsteps of his knight before him :')
@@reznovvazileski3193 you are talking about Maximus right?
The moment the knight tried punching the yao guai I thought, "yeah unarmed PA damage is shit, he won't kill that." And lo and behold, bear only got pissed.
The way games reprocess our brains is only a upside in this show. @@romxxiiI saw Lucy's dress and immediately thought of the DEF rating
Ella Purnell did a hell of great job on this. She had distributed her points on charisma
Her eyes are so expressive. I think that's a huge reason why she was cast. But man what a great cast in general.
I love how she also portrayed the natural curiosity of every player picking the game up for the first time.
Her eyes are gigantic @@insertgenericusernamehere2402
She also said that she played the games to prepare for the role. Huge respect for that.
@@patches_ wonder which game she played. My guess is 4. Or NV
Lucy pointing her gun at someone as she's trying to have a peaceful conversation is one of the best video game easter eggs in an adaption i've ever seen.
I didn't realise it was a reference to the player fpv pointing a gun at everyone in front of them by default. I just thought it was true to the spirit of fallout and loved the moment. Good catch
OMG! Remembering playing fallout 3 to where I would just start shooting anything I saw or low crawling throughout the game. 😂😂😂
yes the show is trash
@BangDman feel better now babe?
@BangDman sure, everyone else must be wrong and your shit take is the correct one.
I think actually Maximus makes a lot of sense. He fell in love with the power armor as a kid, he has a childish need to wear the power armor. He didn't slowly grow into an ideology of brotherhood. That scene where he sees the shiny power armor as he exits the little fridge/dresser (whatever it is) with his full childhood innocence of not being able to process what the hell just happened and seeing that dude in power armor with sun rising in the background made him the person he is. He basically saw an angel and wanted to become one in his mind, and power armor IS the thing he fell in love with. He doesn't care who wears it. Even him leaving the power armor behind carelessly AFTER he fell in love with a girl makes a lot of sense. He finally found someone/something that he loves more than the armor itself.
Beautifully said
The other two were much more entertaining so I wanted something to eat Max.
Also Max was the only one that actually embodies what the ideals of the brotherhood were meant to be, for the good of the wasteland. That's the whole point of the conversation with the elder about how far the brotherhood has fallen and about building a home.
Maximus is essentially a child still in the show imo
I'm sorry I think Max is a great actor but whoever is writing him is dog water. Flat out dude is a fraud. Goes from one moment trusting an individual to the next second stomping him. Max is only out for himself. He is super conflicted with wanting to be a knight to enjoying a bowl of popcorn and being a vault dweller literally the next day later. I feel his character is so childish. And id really like to see him as a good man and a knight.
"cousin stuff is ok for fun but not good for long term sexual partner" i had a spit take when i heard that
saying that so casually, threw me off my chair.
I had that reaction with the line “Do you wanna make my cock explode?”
Esopecially when they finally reveal what those Vaults are made for
@@Marta1Buckit was a hilarious way to show just how quirky Vault life would be. After 220 years of having the same gene pool locked in a confined space damn near everyone would be cousins.
So long as thar be no fertilizin I guess.
“I’m gonna stop talking about incest.” This needs to be on a t-shirt.
i would absolutely buy that t-shirt....not gonna wear it but i would buy it!😄😄😄
That would be an Incestering shirt! : )
The Cousin Stuff was so awesome. Funny and fits so perfect in the world of the Vault.
@@shallendor 🤣🤣🤣
@@EerieV23 Heads up this person thinks cousin stuff is the best thing since sliced ham
Regarding the squire giant bag of stuff. Was it a quality canvas bag, or cheap nylon?
I see what you did there 😂
This video helped me realize one of the things that makes the show so good... Like the recent D&D movie, they play everything straight, even the silly bits, and treat it like "the world we're telling this story in is just like this, roll with it". So many superhero movies in particular snarkily lampshade everything like they're embarrassed to be superhero movies. D&DHAT and Fallout *aren't* embarrassed by their respective source materials.
💯
More than the bobble heads or stimpacks I appreciated the sounds. Like how the pipboy and terminals sound just like when you use them in the game.
I felt like i was in the game for so many reasons but the sounds are what did it for me.
Saves a lot on time and money when you have the sounds people want to hear and are expecting already created and ready to be put where they're needed.
What about the 'Ultraman' Sounds reference when Maximus firsts tests out his suit and kicks a brick to knock down the abandoned house. This show rocks.... "Gworr!!"
Opening up the power armor sound got me
Thank you!! This exactly. So many reused sfx, which makes perfect since. After all, Bethesda has done a fantastic job with sound in the games and those files are available
I actually liked that Maximus wasn't a zealot like most of the brotherhood of steel because in my playthroughs I was literally only there for the armor
Yep that's basically his character; it's mocking us for picking BOS just so we can get PA 😂
Lmao true, I just really wanted to spend that time with a zealot and not with someone like me 😂
It’s also shown how immoral and corrupt the BoS has become and he has his own “code” about what it means to be a knight. He’s not there only for the armor, he has a vision for what the Brotherhood is supposed to be. The armor gives him the means to enact that vision.
@@charalanahzard Also, I don't really think of it as the show representing the whole faction this way, just this chapter at this time. I feel the games have never portrayed the BoS as a monolith. Even the difference between the DC chapter under Elder Lyons and after Elder Maxson succeeded him is noticeable. And the Mojave chapter in New Vegas wasn't even following their own rules.
Also not giving a lot away we are missing a few factions from the area and the naming scheme of the the brotherhood of steel characters in the show is uniquely related to another faction. Could be a future plot point here. Also the punishment Titus was explaining to the Maximus is very fitting of said faction aswell.
The more I look at how they handled Maximus, the more I think he's actually handled pretty well. Him being only interested in the BoS for the power armor is relatable to a lot of us who also had those initial feelings of wanting to join to just don the suit. Maybe like us, once Maximus gets the power armor, he becomes more interested in what it represents. I can see them exploring it more in S2.
Btw Timothy Cain himself is sending people to your review because he agrees with you :D
One of the main reason imho that this adaptation is so good compared to others is that all the references and things from the game are perfectly integrated in the world and not in your face just to be easter eggs and member berries, it really feels like a real world and not all set dressings
so true people were saying they were just doing a bunch of fan service, which has become overused because fan service and the show just being in the fallout universe are very different
Also they came up with an original story that means we don’t know where it is going but still has all that Fallout flavor. I enjoyed the Last of Us HBO but having played the game it was much less impactful. Feet getting shot off or bullets to head are a shock in this show.
Plus it's not really an adaptation, it's a new entry in the series. It's canon.
"I MEAN ITS AIGHT LIKE....."
I absolutely loved how subtle all the hints and references were. Every single scene felt so authentic and true to the Fallout universe.
The fact that Lucy holds onto her earnest attitude even in the face the being poisoned, captured, betrayed and lied to -- should be a how to guide to how you do chracter development.
Reminds me of how Karlach is presented in Baldur's Gate 3. Despite everything she's been through, it would be so easy for a writer to make her dark, broody, cynical and edgy, but she's just full of joy and wonder.
I agree. My husband was rooting for her to shoot the Cooper at the end and I'm like no, that's not Lucy. She resists being evil, rejects it and tries to hold on to the hope, however naive, that there are still good people and that people can change for the better.
@@Rashimotosan Did he want her to shoot the Ghoul or her dad?
@@Rashimotosan like she says in the dialouge.... "I might eventually look like you, but I'll never be you."
@@lucidiously oh or maybe it was the dad? Idk he wanted her to shoot one of them lol
the ending of the show where her dad is looking at (IYKYK) gave me goose bumps i haven't had in years
When he was looking at the skibidi toilet
Tim cain send me here
My wife is not a gamer, but Fallout was a very good way of introducing her to something I enjoy very much!
I like shows that respect their audience. Fallout nailed it, they didn't try to re-invent the wheel, they didn't re-tell or adapt an existing story. They did their own thing within the universe and it's rules and it worked amazingly well.
We didn't watch the same show. The same folks who made Rings of Power didn't learn their lesson and start respecting fans all of a sudden. It's more likely that the standards of your average IP fan is in the basement. Not as bad does not equal good.
@@Hexiad how is it bad
@@Hexiad You clearly don't know wtf you're talking about here.
@@zeroskaterz92 He isn't exactly wrong, Fallout gets away with a lot because it has a slightly campy vibe. If the vibe was more serious the flaws would be way more glaring.
@@derpherp7432 So what is this flaws that you spoke off out of your ass?
Can we appreciate how they captured so many of the in-game moments that we all love perfectly on screen? Finding the family that committed suicide with the Plan D. Being OP and taking on a small army. Uncovering horrifying secrets in Vaults. etc.
thats one thing I DON'T LIKE about the game AND the Show. I don't like the dark crap. Do I really need to be discouraged about how dark and CRUEL any post apocalyptic scenario is in real life or in the game? No, I don't. I want to enjoy the game. I find scenes like that unnecessarily cruet and a waste of time.
@@lukeyznaga7627..... happy 17th birthday BTW.
@@kagirion actually, I am 61 but I make no apologies for embracing the great culture WE , and you and i have in gameplaying, partial Geekdom and having fun with creative RPG games, amen?
@@lukeyznaga7627if it ain't dark, it ain't fallout buddy 🤷♂️
@@lukeyznaga7627 Ok the game is a reflection of our world in an alternate timeline. The game reflects that with both hope and despair. For me, it helps me enjoy the game by immersing me. If it was all sunshine and rainbows, it wouldn’t feel real.
There's a theory going around about the TV show's Brotherhood of Steel -- they might be a merger of the Legion & Brotherhood remnants after the Battle of Hoover Dam. It kind of makes sense if you think about it. The Brotherhood's now more religious, fanatical towards their goals, have Roman names, the way their flag's colored and the Chapter Leader wants to start anew.
Add to that the Legion's desire to acquire energy weapons during the Van Graff questline despite their anti-tech sentiments, and I think you might be on to something. Also, Caesar had "dealings" with the Midwestern BOS so maybe they formed a pact around then
The BOS flag was like that in fallout 3.
@@PalindroneV2yes and no. During episode 8, there's a shot of the red/white BoS flag, but when Maximus is brought to the Chapter leader, there are a bunch of gold/red banners everywhere in the town. BoS haven't used this particular color combo before. And it's reminiscent of the Legion's colors (red background, gold bull)
11:12 Your take is pretty valuable here I think. The Fallout franchise as a whole already has numerous flavors even without the show, and players do pick and choose their favs! Years ago now, I had an Uber driver who had a BOS tattoo, and when I asked about his favorite Fallout game, he said Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel. (Not tactics, the other one) Internally, I was like, "ugh! HOW? WHY?!" But it clearly had some kind of importance to him, and who am I to take that away?
I mean, the box art was kinda cool for FOBOS. Also, it could have been Tactics, I think in several regions, it came titled as Fallout Tactics: Brotherhood of Steel, with the "Tactics" being rather minimized
Dude that guy is a "legendary" fallout fan. I didn't think they really existed.
I don't even know where to find that game anymore. Impressive
This never happened bro 😂😂😂😂
Using a stimpack to instantly heal dogmeat was weirdly the moment I knew I was gonna love it, like the amount of times I’ve healed dogmeat like that in fallout 4 I was like yeah they get it
Tim Caine sends his regards. by linking your video as a reconmendation
I'm just glad to see Walton Goggins go from "that guy who is a guest star on everything" to getting some main character roles in Danny McBride shows and now people seeing him at his best in Fallout.
I loved how they handled Maximus. As a player I only ever joined the brotherhood for the armor. I rolled my eyes at their dogma and rules. He's a perfect BoS player stand in, only there for the guns ammo and armor.
wow that makes a lot more sense, never thought of his character like that. he really is like a BoS player character, I also didn’t join because I onboard with their stupid rules, I just wanted the sick armor and gear
I personally don't really understand his hate as well. He acts in a way that makes sense in his character. He is someone who has always been beneath the boot of someone else, and someone who would think they are right to be they way they behave. Both of the people that he threats like shit, are people who threatened him and bullied him beforehand. They gave him plenty of reason if you ask me. Maximus to me, is someone who is in the Brotherhood because he feels he owes something to them. The brotherhood gave him a home, food, and a place to belong in. I feel like he genuinely does believe (or at least used to believe) in their cause. Him meeting Lucy is a bit of culture shock to him as he meets someone who is not from his world. And then he finds himself in her home and he at first finds it hard to adjust and believe but he starts to settle because Lucy HERSELF asked him to calm down and to give it a chance. I think I need to look up why people think he is very selfish ngl.
I've always hated the BoS. They are pretentious 1 percenters that believe only they have the right and ability to hold technology. No one else is smart enough to think for themselves so they have to do all the thinking and control for you.
He might be there only for what you mentioned, but he's a total loser lol. He has the look of disinterest in everything. For me he's the weakest part of the show.
@tristangarcia632 As someone who likes Max, I think the reason people are finding hom to be overly selfish, is in part because he IS a bit selfish. Not to the point of say "The Ghoul", or "Hank", but he's not in the brotherhood to help people (and in this part of the U.S., at this time, the brotherhood goal is not to help people anyway). He says it plainly in his squire interview. "Why did you join the Brotherhood?" "To hurt the people who hurt me". Frankly, I find that to be a reasonable motivation, but it's not exactly a holy high calling or something. Still, I think people are being a bit harsh on him.
For me its the perfect amount of fan service, wackiness and obvious passion for the Fallout universe. Great casting and I love the pre-war flashbacks and music. As a burned Halo fan too, I'm so happy - can't wait for season 2
I think the show is extremely mid. The only character that are actually decent are Lucy and Ghoul.
@@MichaelDoesLife You sound butthurt
@@MichaelDoesLife must be sad living in your head. Seeing everything through a woke lens.
You think this was created with passion? Man…
This! A perfect balance of everything Fallout, love it!
Tim Cain's Review video brought me here!
I think Maxiumus is a bit more complicated than people give him credit for. Theres a difference between just wanting to wear the armor and joining the organization to do it.
When Lucy bit off the Ghoul's finger and he cut off her finger in return, I was so blown away by that
I knew the show was gonna be brutal but that scene took it over the edge into 'ouch'
“That’s about the closest thing we’ve had to an honest exchange.” Made my stomach turn but managed to get a giggle out of me.
And it was her finger that he sewed onto his stump. They went full circle with this and now Coop will always be connected with Lucy..... Literally 🤣
@@cravarocoso8076oh really? I missed that lol
Before that I was sort of whatever on the series. When that happened it was like I woke up. The show had my attention after that, and even if Matt Berrybot replaced her finger they still have it coloured differently so that it feels as though the character has been changed by her time in the wasteland.
As a person with not much spare money I'm really happy the episodes were just dropped and I could use the free trial to watch them
You can just stream or download the episodes for free if money is an issue.
Tim Cain sent me here...
that’s a high honor
After Alanah said "The Halo show doesn't even exist." I thought, "Yeah. I loved The Witcher season 1. Wonder why they didn't make anymore seasons of that show?"
Same with Game of Thrones... Will they ever finish that awesome series?
@@dread46I waited until last year to watch that show. Had read only the first book like 10 or 11 years ago. I personally can't imagine where else people thought things were going to go? It had been written on the wall the whole time. Idk, man. Reminds me of people being POd about the end of the Sopranos. Again, that was the perfect end. Without regard for viewers biases and in summation of the arc of who the characters were.
@@PraxisAbraxis The writing may have been on the wall in the books and to some degree in the show, but I think the majority of complaints are about pacing and characterization. The earlier seasons were covering weeks of real time across 10 episodes. The last couple seasons, 8 is especially bad in this regard, covered what would have been multiple seasons worth of time in between episodes. Characters are basically teleporting around Westeros. It's jarring. The poor characterization in the later seasons indicates D&D were bored and wanting to move on. They didn't have as much material to riff on, so they skipped the focus on characters and focused on spectacle. It went from a dialogue heavy political thriller in seasons 1-5 to a mediocre action fantasy movie in seasons 6-8. Dany was always going to break bad in end, but her descent was logical and slow until the last season. She went from brutal, but fair to actually insane in a relative blink of an eye.
@@jackinthebox301hey, I see what you're saying about the change in overall pace. I noticed that, too. Thank you for explaining your issues in more detail other than, 'omg, how could they, no!' Edit: Funny note, Whatever House of the Dragon was it sure was a dialogue heavy political thriller... minus the thrill!
I've never played the OG Fallout games, but I chuckled when they mentioned that they needed to replace the water chop module
Not playing the OG games is like being a fan of the Alien franchise, but never watching Alien and Aliens.
@@Thagomizer I've tried, those games are _really_ old now and pretty hard to get into. Most Fallout fans came into the series with Fallout 3 or later games anyway. So I know the lore and characters from Fallout 1 and 2 but honestly got less than an hour played across both games.
@@ThagomizerThe problem with that comparison is that Alien and Aliens: 1) Are very easy to get your hands on. Fallout and Fallout 2 are not available to console players. 2) Hold up very well for their age. As good as they are Fallout and Fallout 2 are definitely old school in a way that may be hard to get past for some people.
Idk if anyone’s noticed but the scenes where the transitions from being outside to going inside or from one floor onto an elevator to another floor capture the loading screen experience from the game
Mr. Tim Cain said that he has exact same opinion as like you , so he forwarded your link in his latest video . And here i am , first off all let me tell you that i'm glad that you , Tim Cain and soo many other people liked this tv series so far . I also have somethings in this series i didn't like and also somethings like i might be cautiously thinking about , i hope in upcoming season they ain't goes in that direction . Those are the opinions of mine and everyone else might have any other reasons for liking this series or not . This is the way of the life , these are the things that makes people and this world unique . I'm huge fan of Fallout 1 , 2 myself and have a little bit crush on Fallout New Vegas also , personally as also you mentioned that if they changed something what once happened in these video series , i don't care soo much as long as it's fundamentals is based on in it's core idea . And i think they represent it's world good enough for me :) I personally would like to thank you again for your video of yours . Have a great life to you and to your loved ones .
I enjoyed it more than TLOU adaptation and I think Lucy is a fantastic character! Overall - Fantastic series that respects ALL Fallout games.
I definitely agree with the stimpak point. I love that they didn't bother to explain how it works
The show is a honest 8.5/10. This is exactly what happens when you hire people who are passionate about what they do and do their research by playing the video games as a first hand source.
Are we watching an entirely different show or something? Like I couldn't give this series on good faith more than a 6.
@@maskedman5657 Well you are in strong minority.
@@alexcrowley4557 Which is why it's so surprising to me. Im legitimately puzzled what people see in this show lol. Like if you're grading strictly on the premise that it heavily respected Fallout lore than I would say that it's great. I think it loses points when I grade it overall as a TV show. But hey opinions are opinions. Mine doesn't have to stop you from liking it.
I think an 8.5 is fair. Similar to The Last of Us show, it stuck close enough to the existing games and didn’t immediately piss me off like the Halo show. I could nitpick on certain things but I do think the show was genuinely good
If I give any media such high rating, it would need to have more than one interesting character, witty dialogue, and good story structure. Some originality would’ve been nice too, but it’s just find your father again. I just don’t see what you guys are seeing, the games aside, the show is not good. It won’t age well at all.
I'm still waiting on a 'companion blocking the doorway' scene.
Tim sent me 👍
I like your take on the show, and it almost 100% aligns with my own. I think when people ask me what I think, I’ll just point them to this video.
Thanks for the heads up on your own video: I enjoyed watching this.
Hello, daddy fallout!
I get the feeling it was released like this probably because they didn't know it would take off the way that it did and I feel like season 2 for sure they will release it weekly especially now they know they have people on a hook and can keep them subscribed to prime video just to finish the show
I fully agree. I think that people would not have reached the positive verdict as quickly which would have decreased word of mouth about the show. The fact that people are even complaining about it not being a weekly thing is merely a symptom of the fact that they actually made the right call. I can 100% see a reality where ,as critical as fallout fans are, people were giving very mixed reviews and the episodes with more controversial stuff like shady sands would've probably sparked a lot of negativety without people being able to finish the show that same day if they wanted to.
@@tsivils1987yea because since the first trailer of the show and leading up to it coming out eventually a lot of people was already calling it woke garbage and assuming it was going to be bad without having to see a full episode yet,so I'm glad it was released like this because I haven't watched a show in where I couldn't stop watching for a long time
The whole idea of making it weekly is so stupid.
@@dominicarroyo6269 exactly. I saw people calling Lucy annoying and stupid. And even worse...calling Ella Purnell a bad actress (which is a crime to say imo bc she is amazing and voices jinx in arcane which is some of the best voice acting I've heard in my life. She's practically video game adaptation royalty at this point). They also said the power armor was cheap and looked stupid flying down. And this was all bc of 1 short clip they released of the 3 main characters meeting in filly. Somehow people couldn't infer the fact that Lucy is extremely sheltered and naive. And they didn't know that the person in the power armor didn't know how to use it fully, yet they made an entire judgment off of it. Those are the exact types of people who were shut up by all the episodes dropping at once so all of their questions were able to get answered before they started getting impatient and spewing dumb opinions based on a lack of information.
@@insertgenericusernamehere2402 I personally am much more a fan of the part 1 and part 2 approach. It's kinda the best of both worlds. Dropping the first 4 episodes for instance and then letting everyone get hyped and be on the same page, then dropping the 2nd half a week or two later. I think that worked really well with stranger things season 4.
Came here because Tim Cain ❤️
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5:45 Personally I saw the good as Lucy, the bad as Maximus, and the ugly as The Ghoul since they are our three protagonists. Lucy is the good because of just her trusting and hopeful nature with people and how she wants to help others. Maximus WAS the bad because of his own clouded ambitions and reasons. He only joins the brotherhood for revenge and power, he let his knight die, he was going to kill Thadeus, and he wanted or was ok with the idea of Dane getting maimed for getting picked over him. And the ugly is The Ghoul. And not just in terms of looks, but from the fall of who he once was as a person. He is an example of how twisted or grotesque a person like Lucy could become. But by the end the three impacted each other in one way or another. The good (lucy) impacted the bad (maximus) and pushed him more towards being good, and the ugly (the ghoul) impacted the good (lucy) and made her experience and adapt to the ugly.
I agree with your initial take but I think Maximus is going to go even further into the Bad part of this trio in Season 2. I won't be surprised if he turns into the main antagonist of Season 2. I think the Ghoul is going to probably continue being the Ugly but will potentially get a bit of a soft spot for Lucy and the dog.
You nailed it.
I think we can safely say that the ghoul is the bad and the ugly at the same time.
I don't disagree, except that letting Titus die was morally bad. The guy was portrayed as a complete bastard, even explicitly saying that he would have Maximus killed for Titus' own stupid mistakes. From my perspective, watching the man die was a neutral act, executing him with the pistol would be a good act (still dies but doesn't suffer as much), and giving him the stimpak would have been an evil act.
the ghoul killed an entire town, ate some folks, amputated lucy and that's just the bad shit we've seen him do, lmao. maximus actions are more towards morally neutral. yeah he let the knight die - because he was threatening him. also he joined the brotherhood cause he had no choice "they gave him a home" they're are a terrible regime tho, such actions against them in a survival context seem somewhat justifiable and thadeus had a history of abusing him prior to this and would likely snitch on him without even learning the full context, i don't know if it's even fair to assume thadeus would be killed. no way that makes him worse than the ghoul who is whiling to kill an unlimited amount of people for caps and drugs
Seeing Robert House was amazing. Not to mention the rest of big company execs. Season 2 is going to be a banger.
I thought his casting wasn't great. Which could be a bigger problem in season 2.
Can you tell us what was great about Robert House acting out of character? He's pro nuking himself, that was great? And seeing New Vegas in ruins? You are excited to see more destruction of the non Bethesda made games? Sad.
@@MoldyBubbles Yes, because you ignored screenplay in favor of continuing to hate the show.
What? Is House one of the guys in the execs meeting? If so that's amazing, I missed that!
I loved it from start to finish. At the end I even hoped she would say her tag-line one more time to end it and sure enough the final "Okey Dokey" was uttered and a huge smile crossed my face.
"I used to read comic books all the time" I am so sorry for your loss and glad you got better
I played fallout 1,2 and this was the best adaptation we could possibly hope for in modern age.
Well, we could have hoped that the writers had actually played Fallout 1 and 2. I don't believe for a second that they did.
@@Thagomizer As someone who has also played the 1 & 2 games and only have ~20 hours on Fallout 3, I am amazed at how well they portrayed and brought to life what I thought of the Fallout world and the feelings I had when playing it.
@@Thagomizer oh no the TV adaptation isn't exactly like the video game you played 30 years ago??? Are you gonna be okay? Lifelong fan of the franchise here, I honestly don't know how any fallout fan could dislike the show, you all sound like autistic crybabies
All I want in the second season is an actual NCR Veteran Ranger character!
I'm sure there will be. Plus, would be great to see some Deathclaw action and more of the Enclave
It would be the right area
@@RobbieB2606I'm totally hoping for some deathclaw action and combat robots action too hope it will be epic and bloody as hell
@@laffywaffy1989 Fure sure! A sentry bot fight would be epic
There was an ex ranger in the show, where Coop kills the son in the shack.
I never got into the Fallout series as much as Elder Scrolls, but this first season was PHENOMENAL! 🤩 Now I need to go back and finish Fallout 3 🙈
You are awesome, you hit all of the points that I noticed. Keep up the commentary!
As someone who watched it and isn't a super-lore heavy player (i.e. I love the games but don't remember the specifics enough to be grumpy at any of the details) I loved a lot of the show. I would love to see a spoiler-heavy review from you on what was wrong with the show and what you thought missed the mark. Your takes have always been so interesting and thoughtful, so, hearing your side on this would be fun. Thanks for this!
I think there's only a forgettable handful of conflicting lore bits between the games and the show. But nothing out of the ordinary for an entertaining television adaptation.
I wrote about it a little bit in my comment. Copying it for you below in case you are interested. I would have no problems if Todd never canonized this show himself. He said this show is canon and part of the same universe. What's the point of playing these story-driven Fallout games if some random tv show can sh1t all over the canon however they want. As far as I'm concerned, NV isn't canon anymore until Jonathon or Todd comes clean and admit the lore mistakes in the show. Btw there are at least 5 critical mistakes. Shady Sands can't be a crater and completely annihilated in 2277, we have multiple characters mentioning about it in the NV. Shady Sands is in the wrong place in the show, it should be hundreds of miles north-west. Shady Sands isn't in LA. They should have nuked Boneyard if they really wanted that crater in the show. They ruined BoS, they are nothing like how they are shown in the show. No branding squires, no clerics, no religious bullshit. They are so stuck in that codex of theirs, even some Elders know that they will lose and die in the end but still sticks to it. Their change in the show is bs. Sinclair isn't owner or CEO of Big MT, he is a costumer and Big MT literally experiments on his casino. The show ruins Robert House, he would never be in bed with Vault Tec and their bonkers plan of destroying the world. He is for progress and space exploration ffs. In the show he sees business opportunities in the nuclear apocalypse. I can go forever. These can all be no problem if Todd comes clean and declares the show an alternate universe and not canon.
I feel like Maximus is the most under rated character on the show. Especially as the only main character who grew up in the wasteland I love how morally complex he is
I dig him too, I think alot of people think of the BoS as heroic, and in certain games they're painted that way, but Maximus was kinda brought up in that society with an idealized picture in his head of what it was about, and seeing him struggle with the other, more ruthless side of this faction was interesting.
The Ghoul "grew up" in the wasteland also, just rotting and stuff.
@@gman7497 I agree. I think he’s disgusted by what the BoS really is but does believe in their ideals. Most likely his story arc will be turning the Brotherhood into what he believes it should be.
@@LordLOC Ghoul didn't grow up in the wasteland, he witnessed it after the pre-war stuff. Maximus was born and raised in the wasteland
@@gman7497 Yeah, Fallout 3 gives the impression of the Brotherhood being heroic but I always saw how flawed they were in New Vegas and Fallout 4. In NV they really are just a bunch of dicks hiding in the desert and then in Fallout 4 they just look down on everyone and are xenophobic so I liked how they portray the west coast BoS as going adrift of their normal mission (even the elder cleric admits to it in the show)
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I love how it feels like you’re following 3 quest lines that all interact with each other.
I identified so strongly with Lucy as we're supposed to. You can't help liking her, she is one of the best leading women in a sci fi/fantasy drama for years.
There is an actual character arc, actual development. She's not a Mary Sue. She makes mistakes and learns from them.
@@hengineer Nah, gamers just hate female leads. Stop being racist.
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Fyi tod howard and the show runner confirmed the nuke dropped on shady sands right after the events of new vegas. So that should get people to chill out
I agree that folks need to chill, but they only "confirmed" it after the fan fanbase angrily pointed it out. Makes me wonder if they originally intended to retcon New Vegas, but are now just trying to "save face" to appease the audience
@@masonmurphy2679 considering this show idea was brought to Bethesda by Jonathan Nolan who is a massive fan of the franchise, i doubt that greatly. On top of that Todd has been pretty respectful of the first games setting by making all Bethesda games take place on the other side of the country.
@@masonmurphy2679 Why would Bethesda retcon New Vegas? There's no bad blood between Bethesda and Obsidian. Unless you listen to diehard NV fanboys but they got some weird fanfic going on that is completely false.
@@masonmurphy2679or you know, it was just an oversight.
I'd noticed the "Good Bad and Ugly" parallel though I'd put down Maximus as the Bad (at start though he redeems himself a bit) and the Ghoul as the Ugly.
I saw it more of Good playthrough, Neutral playthrough, and Bad playthrough. Each representing a different playthrough role play based on character choices that a player would normally take in a Bethesda game.
I agree with this take but without spoilers, I'm 100% convinced Maximus is going to be much more "Bad" in Season 2. I think he may even turn into the main antagonist.
The Ghoul is more like Blondie than Gordo 😂
The scene with the father and younger son is similar to the scene introducing The Bad. Only the Ghoul already took out the older son instead of the dad/son like The Bad does while leaving the mother
Maximus is the player that wants to do an evil playthrough, but simply doesn't have the heart to go through with it.
As a veteran of 1,000s of hours in the Fallout world, I agree with you. This show was made by a lot of fans of the game, probably even players of the game, and it shows from beginning to end. The good, bad, and ugly reference was a grand catch. It was hard to miss, it was utilized so well. From the moment the first stimpack is used to the end I was constantly catching deja-vu moments. The 3 leads were great, but most of all was the great story telling that encapsulated all the Fall Out worlds and ended with that amazing look at Season 2 destination, New Vegas. Greatly looking forward to more.....War never changes.
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I agree with about 99% of what was said here, and I really appreciate the perspective given. I have watched a bunch of breakdowns and discussions about the show and this is probably one of my favorites. The things I don't agree with though are the binging model vs weekly, mainly because I'm a consumer and not a content creator. I hate waiting a week to just inch forward on a story in a series, and I would rather be able to binge and rewatch with the gift of knowing how certain things turn out. It also gives me the chance to spend the following days and weeks watching everyone's POV on their take of the show as well. Weekly drops leads to people speculating and either trying not to spoil what might come up later, or just straight up spoiling future episodes because they are extremely knowledgeable about the source materials that the story lines are being pulled from. Also, there are videos out there explaining how this doesn't break the lore of New Vegas. Fallout 4 and New Vegas were never given canon endings, and this show could be filling in the gaps in future episodes/seasons. There's even hints towards what Fallout 5 might give us as far as possible protagonist or locations we could be exploring.
Walton Goggins (The Ghoul) was awesome on the show Vice Principals btw.
The only real lore breaking thing in the series, is having a kids birthday party at 6:47am. But hey thats California I guess.
About the destruction of Shady Sands. A couple of days ago IGN interviewed Todd Howard and Jonathon Nolan. They were asked about the timeline and Todd said that the NV timeline is intact and the destruction of Shady Sands happens just after the events of NV. He also strongly hinted that the NCR is not gone. Can't wait for season 2.
Walton Goggins MVP imo
Maximus is definitely a coward at certain points but I don’t think he’s selfish. Like when he lets Lord Titus die to his wounds, that wasn’t him being selfish. It was him standing up for himself against an arrogant prick who chose to put Maximus’s life below his despite him wearing power armour. Not only that but we also see him try to save others on a few occasions such as when he saves that salesmen from the farmer (not knowing he was a pig fucker) and when he saves Thaddeus, one of the members of the BOS that bullied him, from that water creature. If anything, I think the Ghoul is wayyy more selfish than Maximus is, considering he sold Lucy to that hospital for a few vials.
Also I think you misrepresented why a portion of fans are peeved at the show. It’s not cause it isn’t everything *they* wanted (of course there’s a few that feel that way, as you said) but it’s mostly because the date on that black board means that certain events in New Vegas would be invalidated, despite it being cannon. Hopefully it was just an oversight, but idk how they could get that messed up considering how well they did everything else in the show 😅
@@nicwalker882the bomb was after 2277
@@Fang1241 they’ll need to confirm that in Season 2
@@nicwalker882 I'm sure they will
@@nicwalker882 Todd Howard confirmed the bomb was after 2277. And minor spoiler warning, they are pretty clearly setting up The House Always Wins as the cannon ending for New Vegas.
One thing most people never mention is that the easter eggs are not just about showing a bobblehead or a sunset sarsparilla poster. Lucy is using a Fallout 4 10 mm pistol and has no issue using it, the BOS squire becoming ghoul is using a Fallout 3 10mm and complains that you can't aim with that thing because there was no ironsight aiming in FO3 . this had me cracking up. Lucy's introduction is basically her Special stats and her 3 tagged skills, which she uses primarily during the show. I didn't care about the dates on a board for the nuking of shady sands, so many things could have happened and it doesn't say that it was nuked in 2277 but that it fell.
9mm is always one of your first gums too
Tim Cain (the creator of Fallout) just recommended this review as what he would say in a review himself
Arcane, Fallout, and the Last of Us have given me cautious optimism about future video game adaptations.
I haven't seen Arcane yet but I'm aware is _set_ in a video game universe (don't recall which game) But is it like Fallout, a direct adaption of the same themes and ideas, or is it like "Titanfall 2" (set in the same universe as... Overwatch?) but has nothing to with it?
@@abeaconintheoffice Apex Legends is set in the same universe as the Titanfall series, not the other way around… Arcane is a prequel of League of Legends, and it is amazingly well animated and has amazing story telling.
@@elenadirectorofmiiss7942 Ah, Apex Legends. Thank you. To me, all those live services are the same so I always confuse them 😅
These are great I also liked the War Craft adaptation sadly the timing of it didn’t catch the trends of today… I hope a Star craft adaptation happens even a Dead Space … the emerging success of these just gives hope … my favorite games ever is the god of war franchise and there’s talks on making a movie out of that but I’m worried I just don’t see a reason at all In trying to make a god of war film it doesn’t make sense mot to me
@@Takumawakanda I also love War Craft adaptation and I'm surprised it wasn't well received in US. This is why we didn't get sequel. But I still have hope)
I interpreted the three main characters as the writers trying to embody three different playstyles. Lucy is the ultra paragon player that tries to be an upstanding citizen, the ghoul is the renegade play style, and Maximus is the player that is only concerned with getting cool weapons and increasing their own stats and only cares about the plot if it gets him what he needs. I loved the show even more when I thought about it that way.
See I like that Maximus wasn't a die hard Brotherhood devotee. It mimics the player character in the games mashing through dialogue just to get that cool-ass suit. Putting up with the bare minimum until you can step inside that bad boy. When he finally gets the suit and just has a montage of him spinning around and jumping I related with him so much. My guy just wants to have fun in the wasteland and I'm here for it.
I enjoyed Maximus' character very much. I like that there's this uninteresting, regular grunt that's not very intelligent or smart. It's this very flat character that gives other more charismatic characters a stage to perform and shine over. It's just a kid who likes pew pew and the dominance a power armor gives him. Kid is just trying to live his dream and not think too much about anything else. You cannot really hate him and it's hard to love him. His character is a great vehicle to push narrative, get away with things in the show. A simple man that gives the audience easy way to see the contrast between all main characters. It's a really clever way to basically build anything on his very flat, emotional and neutral stance. It's a great addition to the show and I bet we'll be in a long haul with him in the upcoming season/s.
I see the long term arch they're working on where Lucy continues losing her innocence from being outside the vault, going from "Shucks" and "Okey Dokey" to dropping a "Motherfucker". She's going to become a badass in the next season. The entire speech from the ghoul about them being the same is going to hit hard one day.
It was so good that I restarted Fallout 3 after over a decade. I made Lucy, and I'm trying to make decisions like her.
This is the very first video that I have seen from you, and I must commend you on ALL of it. I have the same feeling of compartmentalizing what you do and don't enjoy from the tv/movie adaptations compared to what you really enjoyed about playing or reading. I thought you described that very well. That can be said about adaptations across the board, and I think you did a great job articulating it in a way that I can use with others that get too fanboy or fangirlish about their love for the original material.
Thanks for doing this review! I was on the fence about watching it but now I will definitely check it out. 👍🏼
I like the lilting tones in the backdrop of lilting 80's fashion, & the wastelands progression of indifference, 10/10.
80s? I haven't seen it yet but that'll be the biggest lore change surely
I like when all the ceos where talking about different vault experiments.
Came here from Tim Cains video! Great video! Even better knowing now that Todd/Nolan confirmed the destruction took place AFTER New Vegas so that retcon didn't even happen
Fully agree on the weekly. It's so much better when we have time to digest and discuss and try to guess what's coming, etc
The biggest one for me is when Hugh Jackman was announced as Wolverine. So much nerd rage, but now you can't picture anyone else as Wolverine.
That's kinda a double edged sword though. I guess not for game or comic book adaptions, but for books, once you watch it you (or at least I) have a much harder time remembering how you pictured everything the first time you read it. Like, Frodo is now Elijah Wood for me, HP is Daniel Radcliffe, I could not for the life of me bring back the imaginings I had from the first time I read those. If the adaption is good enough, maybe doesn't matter, but when they aren't, now you have your experience kinda tainted.
Anna Paquin as Rogue still bothers me.
I mean fans were unhappy about a lot of changes in lord of the rings and its one of the best movie trilogy in existance, you will never make a perfect adaptation and some fans will always be unhappy since there is often one or few things we really loved and its not there in the adaptation its natural but the thing we havet ot judge adaptation if is the series good on its own merit and also if the series has the same spirit as the source material.
@@troyrenlen6459 I only bothers me that she didn't drain Danvers dry
Nah. Invincible releasing weekly with a cliffhanger then that abysmal 3 month hiatus turned me to the absolute stance that weekly releases majorly suck. Let the art stand on its own without relying on community hype and theorycrafting to artificially and temporarily boost the show's quality. Fallout dropped the mic and is honestly the best video game to show adaptation alongside Arcane. They nailed it. So good.
I would say it's better than Arcane. Maybe it's a better show, but I'm talking strictly in game adaptation. In Arcane, you are watching a story that takes place in the game world. In Fallout, it feels like you are watching the game being played.
Dont forget cyberpunk
That was a rare exception. I feel like people forgot there was a whole years worth of a writers strike lol
that was abysmal only because of the 3 month break which absolutely killed the shows momentum
How are weekly breaks anywhere related to 3 month long hiatus
RE: The Brotherhood of Steel. I also didn't like the chapter of the BoS shown in the series, but also recall that every BoS chapter is a little different from the others. The one in the TV series, we are told by the Elder, is sort of falling apart. In a future series, I would love to see a different sort of BoS chapter that perhaps challenges the experience Maximus had with the his chapter. In Fallout 76, we have a fair "noble" detachment of the BoS. In New Vegas, the chapter's moral compass is a little more gray. In Fallout 3, the Outcasts are also a little difficult to warm too. In Fallout 4, the BoS chapter definitely can come across as jack booted thugs. That's what makes Fallout fun (tm)!
The rant was so quick that i didn't even notice it
Given recent previous movies/shows, I expected her to hate this too lmao. Im glad she loved it!
I do NOT like weekly this allowed me to appreciate the story FAR BETTER than waiting 8 weeks for it to unfold. Some of us might not even have another 2 months in us I'm glad I got to complete this show when I did with my homies.
If I had only 2 months left in me I wouldn’t be worried about missing episodes of a tv show but each to their own 😂
It also gives us the freedom to watch it at our own pace. I binged the whole thing in two nights. My dad is watching it one episode a night. People can watch it weekly if they want to.
She’s seeing things through the eyes of someone who needs stuff to talk about in order to make weekly content & not someone who’s free to simply enjoy it without relaying all of their thoughts to a camera to post online lol
@@JbeckjsI'm not a youtuber and I prefer weekly release
@@loganr6203lol okay?
I literally signed up for amazon prime just to binge watch it, best game adaptation ever ❤
I already watched when this dropped, but Tim Cain Himself is referring this review so I am back again for seconds. Congrats!