Can Secular and Orthodox Jews See Eye To Eye? | Middle Ground
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00:00 Intro
00:31 Jewish men should be circumcised
03:39 Women and men have separate roles in society
06:16 I would only marry a Jewish person
09:24 I support Israel in its conflict with Palestine
14:40 I have ancestors who died in the Holocaust
17:14 Jewish people benefit from white privilege
21:49 Antisemitism has increased in the U.S. in recent years
23:54 We are God's chosen people
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When Yoanna started talking about 6 genders in the Bible and the rabi stopped her saying “we’ll get to that”… well I waited… and they didn’t get to it. I was honestly curious what she was going to say.
Seriously. Rabbi Chaim was silencing her but she had valid points!
Didn't Yoanna interrupt him that time? I was interested too but I think she interrupted him - what am I missing?
To be fair that was a can of worms that wasn't really related to the specific question on hand.
@@susannaharnhart4910 where does the torah say that? You know what it does say though. Men shouldn’t wear women’s clothing. But I guess reform Jews don’t actually care about what the torah says.
this part pissed me off so bad
“Her children were my mother’s revenge. Her vindication”. Such a powerful sentence
that is said for many of us whose people have gone through recent genocide and oppression. Black Americans descended from slaves, native Americans, Jews descended from the survivors of the Holocaust, Armenians descended from the Armenian genocide, etc. It's important to remember that each and every one of us were one of our ancestor's dreams and hopes, even if we may have been abused by our immediate families.
I can’t agree with everything he said, but there’s no denying that Baruch is a very well-spoken, polished, intelligent person. He comes across as genuine, and his manner of presenting himself is very convincing and authentic.
I don’t believe in revenge but it is a powerful comeback.
@Electroencefalografista nobody said that
Shalomelekhem
I’m happy elisheva was there to represent for the large number of black jews, that is often forgotten by media. She was very well spoken and well educated in her topics and opinions. I’m happy this segment was so diverse. I look forward to seeing more videos like this.
I just wish they used the actual Jewish population and not just Ashkenazi jews even tho there only 30% north African and middle eastern jews r the bulk with 65% woulda been nice to see them also.
Most Jews in the US are Ashkenazis
@@jonathanshalmoni8220 most jews in the US are ashkenazim, if it was filmed in north africa or the middle east there would probably be no ashkenazi people in the video.
there's Ethiopian Jews other then that there is no other black Jew's except for those who converted through an orthodox conversion.
@@yellowmask1796 that's only your Jewish opinion.
When Baruch said growing up he didn't know anyone who had a full set of grandparents, that hit hard.
A “Can Christians and Orthodox Jews see eye to eye?” Would be an amazing video.
Yes, this would.
But they should bring on professionals. Missionaries and anti missionaries.
@Amber Tinsley exactly my point…
@@MicahTheManiac what the fuck?
@Amber Tinsley Isn't Christianity a derivative of Judaism?.
i feel so bad for the lady having to deal with being a black jew- dealing with both racism and antisemitism growing up must have been hard.
Damn near everyone in the world has a sob story. So what does that say about the world?
@@treacherousjslither6920 it says there are too many people like you living in it who lack any sort of empathy. That's what that says.
@@faizahmohammedaruwa What about my post implies that I lack empathy?
@@treacherousjslither6920 "everyone in the world has a sob story" the fact that you had to refer to someone's tragic racist childhood event as a "sob story" very heavily implied that. If that was not your intent, I apologize for my earlier comment. And advise you word things a lot differently henceforth to avoid similar situations like this from happening.
@@faizahmohammedaruwa you made very strong accusations off a implication
As a Muslim, I appreciated the Israel/Palestine question because the responses showed me that Jewish people who support Israel (1) aren't necessarily anti-Palestinian and (2) don't necessarily agree with all of the Israeli government's actions/policies. It gives me a lot of hope.
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته!
It's just like how you can be an American and love America while not approving of the government.
@@armenianmuslimah وعليكم السلام ورحمة اللّٰه وبركاته
Ya, but mostly they hate muslims
@@judeancupcake7553 100%
I love the fact that thr secular group physically showed remorse towards Elishva rasict experience! They didnt try to over apologize or atone for actions that were not theirs, they simply understand that that IS something that happens and THEY are mindful to not participate in that sort of behavior! I also enjoyed Jess' demeanor!
Respect to the guy in the grey sweatshirt that stood his ground and views on the “conflict” lmao. Respect to him for standing firm in what he beliefs.
I do wish he had more evidence for this point though. For the most part, everyone was well prepared. He and the Rabbi has some blind spots, unfortunately.
repeated the same sentence twice. nice
@@wshhed2160 I know right, true passion right there!
I would’ve cried lol
America like Israel doesn't have a right to exist.
“…it’s hard to recognise what you don’t experience…” well said Aly!
Thank you!
And what has she experienced exactly? Is she qualified to talk about Israel Palestinian because of experience? Or to lecture people three times older than here about white privilege?
@@alysilverberg White privilege doesn't exist in the States. They are no rules that are different from blacks and whites or other races. After all, millions migrate here for a reason. Asian Americans are the highest income earners for a reason. White privilege doesn't exist, economic privilege, having a father, and where you live is a privilege, but not because of one's color. I use to live where I was 10 percent of the minority, I experienced some racism, I don't say that the other 90 had privilege over me. In the States, everyone has the same opportunity, it just takes someone to act on it. An African American, Hispanic, or Asia, we are all Americans. Saying one having white privilege degrades the other, most commonly present by Liberals. I wouldn't want someone telling me that I was oppressed where I used to live, that I was less than them, that is true racism.
@@mrsmileyfrance4038 and thats the blindness the old dudes demonstrate. there aren't necessarily direct laws that apply. its about context which old people seem to struggle to grasp. And young people with these opinions just parrot what their parents said.
@@mrsmileyfrance4038 Sundown towns are still legal and exist in certain places in America. Every state has at least one, not all are legal but they are still ALLOWED to exist and that’s just one example of racism in America. You are proving Aly’s point.
Elisheva was honestly the best representation I could ask for as a semi-orthodox Jew. We are meant to protect and preserve our values but have no right to judge or impose our beliefs on others.
I love her
Exactly! I also loved how they talked abt how women don’t have as many commandments as men bc we’re holier so don’t need them!
Semi? She's fully orthodox
@@sophinatalie352 yeah, that sexist excuse is just that. an excuse to push women out of leadership roles and spaces. women are not "holier"
Oh what do you mean by semi
16:35 “Her children were my mothers revenge” that was powerful as hell and I’m not even Jewish I’m catholic but that hit, made me shed a tear Fr 🥲
I love how the rabbi disagreed with redlining while at the same time proving it was real. The Jewish and black family being neighbors, protecting each other and having dinner together in a terrible neighborhood. He got defensive because he thought he was being called racist (at least from what I interpreted) but she was actually saying the complete opposite. The systems in place that are made to make minorities work extra hard to just be on equal footing is what she was saying. It’s so sad that he was even a victim of it, but because of his immediate need to defend his acceptance of others blinded him of it.
Yeah I think he thought she was saying that redlining separates all races/ethnicities from each other, when what she meant was that redlining separates minorities from whites. He misunderstood.
What I’m confused on was she said redlining was part of the civil rights act and was made law but the whole point of that was to stop that sort of thing right
@@gothicgolem2947 Redlining came before the civil rights movement not with it, it was only intensified after the movement because white people didn’t want black people or minorities to practice their new found freedoms aka moving into “their” neighborhoods
@@gothicgolem2947 it was made afterwards, it was something that lawmakers made to still make minorities not equal
@@kirakizae I’m preety sure the person here said differnt
Jess seemed to have a lot of intelligent things to say, but he had trouble articulating them. He seemed to lose his train of thought and started fumbling and stuttering, or maybe he was just stressed. It was a shame.
Yeah he seemed the least prepared out of everyone, poor guy
I'd fumble in his position for sure.
I think he was intimidated by the older guy not letting him finish his thought
@@Hannacalebclark Same thought came to my mind too. He was trying to bring up all the other stuff but he was stopped before he could bring them up
@@Hannacalebclark that old guy was annoying, like let him speak!!!!! jesus
I love scrolling through jubilee middle ground comment sections because it is one of the few channels where you can find public commentary from all sides. It’s awesome to see so much engagement, even if people do take thing personally sometimes.
They should do this with Protestants vs Catholics or Orthodox Christians.
I think Western vs Eastern Christians. Catholics and Orthodox see eye to eye fairly easily compared to Protestants, Baptists, etc.
the orthodox lady’s highlighter do be slayinggg
Cringe
thanks for your input
@@encyklypa6763 yea np ✌🏾
She do be glowing
Believe it or not, married orthodox jewish women wear wigs. So, she has an amazing wig stylist then!
Catholics vs Protestants, I’d love to be a part of this one!!
Especially UK portestants vs catholics.
Cringe
@@wongijen9167 what why lmfaoo
Lol that’s too theologically complex for the Jubilee audience to grasp lol
Yo me too
I read somewhere about chosen-ness “Jewish people weren’t chosen in the way that they are chosen for extra ice cream. Jewish people were chosen to do the dishes.” As someone who is converting in, this hits hard with me.
Gentiles are obligated to keep the 7 Noahide commandments only.
And yet this still comes with the sense of superiority. Jews may feel like the Torah is Atlas' burden, but the logical conclusion is that they're above ordinary men, and the world will literally collapse without them...
@@hrvatskinoahid1048what does this have to do with anything?
"Terr*rists can come from anywhere" these are the most true words by Yoanna, I wanted to know more of Yoanna's opinions
Sure bro 😂
First, I thought Rabbi Chaim seemed kind, but through out the video, he came across as close minded. He didn't know what red lining was (which most people don't) and the girl was trying to explain it to him, but he just shut her down and denied that it was true...like sir, this is a learning opportunity. Just sit down and listen. Not to mention the weird microagrresion vibes he gave Yoanna.
I think he understood that redlining separates all races/ethnicities from each other, when what she meant was that redlining separates minorities from whites. He misunderstood and shared a story about black and Jewish neighborhood solidarity
😓💯 Yes while I agree with him about Martin Luther king
Completely agree
Disagree. Redlining may be a policy, but not a law. It does not outlaw Black folks from staying in or moving out.
@@Mei_I_Know_Aaron I'm new to the term "redlining". I haven't heard this before...
This should be an interesting comment section
Yep
Ready with the popcorn
I agree.
Interesting isn't the right word. Maybe entertaining. Mostly annoying.
Patiently waiting
I love this. We need more of that. I feel like people today rarely stop and talk heart to heart
Thank you! From an orthodox Jew- this was so well done. Again, thank you!
For the white privilege question, I'm sorry for the African American Jewish person
Well, she agreed that plenty of Jewish people are white-passing
You could just say black
She's not ethnically/culturally African-American (black from the US) or a African (black from any African country). She's black. A black Jew.
@@yanivbenadiva8277 For the sake of racism, I want to respect people without saying their skin colors. Some people don't want to be called "black" while they're ok with being called "African American" or just their name
@iwtdsb I’m black just say black, because if she’s middle eastern she wouldn’t be considered African American then just to be on the safe side just say she’s black
I feel like its pretty irresponsible of Jubilee to have a video entirely about Jewish identity and ask one question about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and then title the video after that. If you're going to make a video called "Should All Jews Support Israel?" then have the entire video about that. But if you're going to have a video on what it means to be a Jew and relevant questions, name it appropriately.
I hated when they started with clickbait titles and I still hate it now
100% agree. I usually like Jubilee's videos, but this one's a miss.
I believe there's already a video that's solely on this topic, where they brought both israelis and palestinians to have a debate
I also do agree Jubilee has its faults
While I agree, I thing unfortunately because of the crappy youtube algorithm you kinda have to have clickbait titles for some reason. It sucks
I’ve watched so many of these middle ground videos, but this one had me on the EDGE OF MY SEAT baby
"marriage isn't about love". Say what? Heh?
Jews believe love is a choice
On many of the topics, the two orthodox men didn't seem interested in having an actual discussion or entertaining others' perspectives. Instead of listening they often interrupted, speaking their own opinions as if they were Truth and everyone else was just there to learn from them. This was especially upsetting when Rabbi Chaim would not let Elisheva finish her explanation of redlining and when he completely shut Yoanna down instead of listening to her thoughts on gender. I think Jess would have also had some poignant things to say had he been given enough space to process his thoughts while he spoke and not been overconfidently talked over. This is one of the episodes where I really wish I could see the unedited footage. I wonder if the others were able to have more speaking time over the course of whole shoot or if the edit reflected an accurate picture of the older men trying to lead the discussions the whole time. Edit- ya’ll I’m not saying that they’re bad people or that their own perspectives are invalid. They both seem like kind and intelligent dudes. I’m saying that I wish they would have let the others talk more and truly listened to where everyone else was coming from. We all believe our own opinions are correct but it’s healthy to listen to other peoples’ perspectives and update our opinions if needed. They weren’t the only authorities on “being Jewish” in the room but in some ways acted as if they were. It’s almost as if they thought they were educating the others, not just talking with them.
there is so much unedited footage i wanted yall to see
On the flip side however you could say the exact same thing it iis simply a result of your own preferences (dont get me wrong when i watch the vid i see the same thing just from my perspective 🙂) as-well as the fact that basic biology and fact tells us that men are more prone to start the discussion a positive trait of natural agression a male trait
Sadly Rabbi is in a permanent state of delusion and can't be saved 😂.
That's a part of being religious. You have no reason to understand the other side in your mind because what you believe is undebatable. Ignorance within your own community despite the irony
@@michaeljmyers1995 im religious and i strongly disagree you must elaborate dont make weird statements like that
Just because his grandparents didnt benefit from privilege then doesn't mean he cant benefit from it now
And just because you face hardship doesn’t mean you don’t still have privileges
And just because you have privileges, doesn’t mean you can’t face hardship
@@o_o-lj1ym yet hardships from those with “white privilege” are often discounted because they have said privilege. Their hardships are ignored because “it would be worse if you were this race.” I hear the “don’t complain if you’re white” narrative way too often
Lol, so woke.
Hahaha
This is the first time I’ve really listened to Jewish people and I love how passionate the Orthodox men and woman are!
I could hear Aly tearing up about about, (forgive me I can’t remember the name of the location), where she goes to pray at the wall and she really wanted that moment. I hope she gets/got that moment she wanted. I don’t think that is right how crowded the woman’s side was!
I’ve been back a few times and still waiting for that day!
Does anyone have any info about Elisheva? Even though I'm a secular Jew, I think she was the smartest of everyone up there. I'd be really interested to hear more about her experiences as an African-American Orthodox Jew.
me too
Her full name is Elisheva Ester Rishon
Same here
She has a Instagram account.
@@kongo4294 I think she’d disagree with that.
On the white privilege question, I think people just have a fundamental misunderstanding of white privilege. I really resonated with Aly's comment, "It's hard to recognize what you don't experience" and Jess's discussion of how white privilege doesn't mean a lack of hardship. Inherently, by passing as white, people experience a certain set of privileges and better treatment because of the system we exist under. Of course, people can experience hardship other ways, but by appearing white, you are subject to a certain set of privileges that other minorities do not experience.
Then why do minorities of color get accused of having White privilege when they're not White ?
@@Mei_I_Know_Aaron no one accuses minorites of that.
And yet poc have more privilege in the United States today than any other country or any other time on the entire planet.
@@jeremysmith9694 Nonsense
It's ridiculous, the people in this video possess more privilege than w* people
Ironic. Orthodox Jews are racist saying that there's no such nation like Palestinian and they are from Egypt and Jordan and all this started in the 60s.
They are true . The palestianias are Arabs and like the "Egyptians" they are from the Arabian peninsula
@@constantinmmnbvnot all Arabs are from the Arabian peninsula. Lebanese, Syrians and etc are Arabised Levantines. North Africans are also not from the Arabian peninsula except with some arab dna due to the arabisation of North Africa. One thing you may not know is that European Jews are genetically closer to Palestinians than to Europeans and the same with Ethiopians. This means that Palestinians are related to Jews and that they could be from the same people
@@constantinmmnbvbtw Palestinians aren’t Egyptians nor Jordanians. That’s just inaccurate
@@condoriano3533 I know but they are originally from Arabian peninsula so 🤷
@@constantinmmnbv they may have some Arabian peninsular blood because of the arab expansion but they are just as levantine as Lebanese and Syrians. Thats like me saying Ashkenazis originate from Europe. Palestinians are also more genetically related to European Jews than Europeans and same with Ethiopian Jews.
I like being able to watch a civil discussion on a variety of topics. I'd love to see more follow up discussions.
I felt so bad that the guy in the grey sweatshirt was the only one defending Palestine
i feel like he was literally toning down his support for it too because he wanted to keep it civil
me too, and the other are so stubborn in a way not listening but waiting for him to finish, it should me exchange of ideas not who's right or wrong
No some of them made the point that the conflict is more grey than people think and many of them said they fall into the grey area
his entire argument got demolished i dont feel bad at all💀💀💀
Did you not listen to the conversation? Most of them literally said that being pro-Israel doesn't exclude being pro-Palestine. I am pro Israel and pro-Palestine.
Elisheva was absolutely amazing, and I share my Hebrew name with her. It was really refreshing to see a perspective of the orthodox that even I sometimes, as a reform Jew, forgets exist. In regards to Jews who "don't look like the typical Jew," I have this conversation a lot with my family about white privilege. In America today, if you pass as the "standard" - a fair skined, non-queer, christain passing person - you benefit from white privledge in the eyes of society, even if you yourself know that you suffer forms of hate due to your heriatage. If someone didn't know me, they would never expect me to be Jewish, but when I say that I am, they start saying "oh yeah, you have the curly hair, I thought you might have been." I myself have never faced anti-semitism, and wheather that be because of how I look or how/where I grew up, I couldn't say, but this episode and some of the comments have shown me that it doesn't matter what you look like, as long as people have their predejuices and hate, we can all be a victim, even if we don't realize it. Growing up, I had the privelege of feeling safe in my identity, but now, the amount of disgusting acts of violance I've seen againsts not only Jews, but other minorities like African Americans, Asians, Muslims, Native Americans and all those I haven't mentioned, tells me that the world is not what I thought it was. We have to do better, as Jews, as other minorities, as majorities, as the human race to better the world for the generations after us, so that one day we can all live in peace with each other.
Yes... while this was one of the most interesting discussions I've seen on this channel, she was one of the most interesting people I've heard speak in any of the discussions. I could just listen to her talk for a solid hour because she seems to have so many enlightening things to say and a lot of perspective to things that I have never had to give much thought or don't know well. For example, I had never thought there were (or weren't) black Jews before this video, what role men and women play in Judaism, or what redlining was. For me, the pleasure of listening to her was the most educational part of this video.
This is BY FAR the most eye opening video in this series. I love the inclusion of participants with overlapping intersectionalities and the fabulous points they brought up. I also love that none of them allowed other participants to bully or manipulate them into compromising their beliefs, and that they stood up for one another.
I've had this video in my recommendations for a very long time, and I was afraid to open the video because I thought I would see a lot of antisemitic comments. I am surprised, in the best way possible, to see so very little of them. I never write anything on social media that would give in the fact that I am Jewish, mainly because I am scared of people's reaction. Seeing so many accepting and loving people in this comment section is making me very emotional. Thank you.
On white privilege, it’s important to recognize that not all Jews are even white passing. About 1/3 of the total Jewish population is Mizrahi, so they look more Arab then European. There are Black Jews as well, like Elisheva. Americans tend to forget that not all Jews are Ashkenazi because that’s who they’re used to seeing.
Ya and bene Israel too who are indian Jews but often aren't recognised as Jews by other Jews.
Races like white isnt even a real thing, only an outdated american concept. Within jews there are ashkenazis, mizrahis, ethiopians etc
Most people might genuinely come for me after this but, Ashkenazi jews were Christian converts, not even real jews by the basis of Judaism (so the fact that some white jews don't view Ethiopian jews as "real" jews is alarming because they're more Jewish than them)
@@miliba I think she ment "ethnicities" ratter than "races"... if so, I have to mention that there's blond/blue eyes ethiopian Jews and dark skinned ashkenazis. My great grandma was ashkenazi, spoke fluently Yiddish and "oddly" look very Italian... pretty far from the stereotyped pale skinned east-European Ashkenazi!! 😂 Tribes (12), religious communities (Ashkenazim, Mizrahim, Sephardim, Juhurim, Romanyotim, Cochinim, Italkim, Teimanim, Gruzinim, Bukharim, Bene Israel + others that I forgot), and movements (TONS...)... mean fairly nothing if trying to categorize people ethnically based on their faith. Some (movements, communities, sub-communities) might seem ethnically somewhat a bit more "homogenous", but their functions aren't to gather people based on physical traits, but to serve people sharing the same faith, values and dogmas... therefore ethnicities or whatever "race" are completely irrelevant in such religious context. On that point, I 3,000%+++ agree with you. Secondly, tell to Black people that "black" don't mean anything either... you'll get lapidated... even if it's an outdated societal construct. If going with ethnicities, they'd need to use 1000+ ethnicities to define their fight... therefore to use "black", even if an outdated term, is much more simpler and clear. Even if outdated, these terms still have some specific utilities (when used correctly... but who are generally badly used).
And even then, all Jewish groups are ethnically related, which is confirmed by DNA testing. We Jews predate these meaningless racial groups. Its rather silly to force us to fall into those categories.
I love elisheva she’s super respectful and informs others about her personal beliefs
@ThxGod It'sOver do you hate your own culture so intensely that you feel like you have to steal other peoples’ culture? 😂 leave Jews alone.
@ThxGod It'sOver Jews are Jews. Die mad about it.
This video is so precious, thanks for this♥️
The Israeli question really showed how some of these are ignorant. Ethnic cleansing, occupation, discrimination and literal war crimes are the reasons why Israel shouldn't exist, sorry.
Rabbi: "...marriage is not about love." WHAT???!!!!
I'm confused too haha
Yup, it's about procreation, the duty to create more Jews, and "love" can be developed once married in the Orthodox sect's, this is not the case in the conservative and reform sect's though, most will marry for love.
Well love marriages is a newer concept...and a more western one...
Marriage before was more about duty and alliances with other families for status and power. Marriage for love was not around for a long time in our history. Love was of course involved in the marriage, but it was not the main or sole reason/purpose why people married. Many people learned to love their spouses as time went on in their arranged marriages.
Marriage is a business, love is optional.
I think there needed to be two conversations. One conversation should have been about orthodox vs secular Jews regarding matters pertaining more directly to Judaism and the Jewish community. Another conversation should have been about conservative vs liberal Jews and how their Judaism shapes their perspectives. Even with topics that crossover like racism and sexism, talking about racism and sexism within Judaism/ the Jewish community, is a different topic than the relationship between Jews and external racism, including antisemitism, for example.
Those people aren’t only secular, they’re reformies.
A "Can Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Christians see eye to eye?" video would be amazing.
There's actually so little difference between these two religions that I don't really see what their followers could disagree on. The main difference (and the reason the two churches devided) is the rules for priesthood and how the hierarchy of priests.
No
@@DixieFaukner Why not?
@@cassif19 That's not accurate. There's a lot of theology, history, spiritual practices that differ.
@@codius5042I feel like an Eastern Orthodox vs Muslims video could be very entertaining especially if they have a couple people on both sides which are very well educated in both faiths
Awesome video! Loved everyone in it and it was nice they didn't get ugly with each other. Have to say I loved Yoannas personality lol Brought some pizazz to the video
I am a Muslim and I resonate with Jess (the guy in the grey hoodie) a lot. Religion for me is more of a moral guide but I do try to incorporate Islamic teachings in my life.
You’re either Muslim or you’re not
I'm Christian and I think like this too. I don't think anyone should take everything (e.g. in the bible) literally, the morals of the religion are more important.
Jess was basically culturally Jewish. You can’t be culturally Muslim, as to be Muslim you must submit to Allah. How can one submit to Allah without fulfilling whatever Allah has commanded them to do?
I'm Christian and I incorporate Islamic teachings in my life. I really like Islamic teachings but I don't think I can live doing everything a Muslim do.. 😅
@@sheenamarietubiano317 Can i know what thing Muslim do that you can't see yourself doing it ?
“There were no such thing as Palestinians” NO WAY 😭😭 thats so historically inaccurate, and he’s presenting it as a historical fact.
There’s old maps with the land of palestine
source? do you even know about israel and the kingdom of israel? palestine was only made after the romans kicked the jews out.
@@r.a.h7682 and? that doesn't make them less deserving of a right to live there
Do some research. Jews before 1948 identified as Palestinians. The Arabs identified as Arabs. Yasser Arafat started the term for the Arabs just like the rabbi said. You’re acting as if he’s crazy, but you’re actually coming off as very ignorant.
@@bennywolfe4357 Jews, Muslims and Christians in that area were all Palestinians. Being arab and being Palestinian aren’t mutually exclusive. The VAST majority of Jews that live there now aren’t the same Palestinian Jews that lived there before
The ratio of how much these videos help vs hurt should be questioned. How much middle ground is actually being found? The question itself “can __ and __ see eye to eye?” is setting this video up for a yes or no. It’s impossible to have these incredibly nuanced conversations in a 25 minute video. I really think the shortness of these episodes hinders everyone from finding any real middle ground in these important issues.
This!!
“If my brother or sister committed a crime on death row, I would support them emotionally but I would still have the bravery to say what you did was wrong”. The guy in the grey sweatshirt is the Real MVP🏅 he just won the whole debate
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I don't like the title considering that it was less on the Israel and Palestine controversy. I think it should have been named; "Can secular jews and Orthodox Jews see eye to eye?" Considering the channel already has a Israel video already... This felt like click bait :/
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@ThxGod It'sOver you don't need to copy paste this my dude. And holy caps lock calm down.
What was the original title? They must have updated it already
@@aisherwasher6959 OMG they must have saw my comment and took it down!!
What was the old title?
Rabbi Chaim was so reluctant to hear Elisheva's POV despite the fact that she was also born in Crown Heights. He has rose-coloured glasses on.
She's not a true jew
@@mewesquirrel6720 Why?
@@evothenew3333 really?😐
@@afrozzz5634 REALLY?
@@mewesquirrel6720 Why?
It was definitely interesting to hear this conversation. However my two cents is this: I appreciate tradition and understanding why it is the way it is
“marriage is not about love” i feel bad for his wife 😂
she would know about stuff like that if she is married to a rabbi
Okay, so I never got to explain the six genders, so here: 1. Male (an anatomically male person) 2. Female (an anatomically female person) 3. Androgynous (an intersex person) 4. Saris (an anatomically male person who does not develop male sexual characteristics) 5. Aylonit (an anatomically female person who does not develop female sexual characteristics) 6. Tumtum (a person whose gender is concealed)
Out of curiosity, what is the difference then between sex and gender, assuming they are different things? I was under the impression that gender was based on how you feel whereas sex is based on anatomy
I was scrolling down for like 15 min hoping to see that comment! Thank you very much With love from Israel
Bump!
Thank you 😍
Yoanna what is the source for this? I can see that this is a Jewish source.
I'm not Jewish and I'm glad to see the diversity among Jews. It gives a better perspective than throwing them all in the same box.
You should see Israel, Jews of every color and a multitude of traditions
bruh
My rabbi is quite fond of the saying that for every two Jews there are three opinions lol
bro said a palestinian nationality did not exist while he forgot that israel as a state no longer existed at that time
But a Jewish nationality did exist
This was VERY interesting. I really didn't have 25 minutes to watch this... but I sacrificed it anyway. There is A LOT that I need to research and comb through concerning what was said because I want to understand it better.
Regardless of whether there was a Palestinian national movement before 1947 or not, natives were living there for centuries. It doesn't matter if natives were called Jordanians or Egyptians (we are neither btw). Palestinian ancestors lived on the land for hundreds of years. We exist, and will always do. Palestine not being recognized as a state does not justify stealing the land and kicking people out of it. Never listen to one side only of the story, try listening to Palestinians narrative, and neutral narrative. Jews suffering from the holocaust and discrimination does not justify their current crimes in Palestine.
And it's also super weird for someone whose community has been longing for a country/ nation for centuries. He should know a thing or two about a people doesn't need a country with defined borders to be a people.
I wonder how he’s very religious still he’s a liar !
Land was never stolen. Romans stole land and called the land Palestine
EXACTLY
But they will say they stole their land, since Jews lived there thousands of years before Islam even was a thing. That’s the whole conflict.
This should have been called, "Can Orthodox Jews and Secular Jews See Eye to Eye?"
Yas.
Yup. This title is reckless and bordering on baiting antisemites.
Why are you announcing your ''pronouns'' in front of a bunch of religious people? To even suggest they call you she her is ridiculous. You can believe you are a woman, but dont force your beliefs on others by expecting them to call you she.
@@wudly9195 She didn't force anyone to use her pronouns. But u decide to find her comment and "force" your beliefs on her. An opinion which you could have just kept to yourself. To even suggest they care is ridiculous.
@@wudly9195 She literally didn't force anyone to do anything? What are you complaining about.
As a secular Jew I always love to celebrate holidays such as pesach or Purim this is interesting but I have respect for orthodox people! :)
Thank you for the longer videos jubilee!
Really enjoyed listening to Aly speak, she was well spoken and confident! I wish we could have heard more from her. Great thought provoking questions, which she handled well with respect for everyone.
the older jewish men were rude how are they gonna keep cutting people off.
The woke side had nothing to say. Just repeating woke twitter talking points without original thought.
He’s brilliant. They just didn’t know to say back to him so they just started putting him down.
That Rabbi and Elisheva know Judaism better than anyone there.
Because those people were misinformed and had no idea what they were spouting.
I would’ve loved to hear Jess talk more. He definitely strikes me as the kind of person that needs to consider his thoughts before speaking, and this probably isn’t the best environment for that. Regardless, I feel everyone else was somewhat patronizing towards him.
I’m Christian and have never been taught that we’re the only one that go to Heaven…
Finally someone wrote it, I’m Christian also and I’ve never been taught that either, I don’t know where he got that from.
Well, I don't generally care if there is a Jewish state, but I agree with the pout that Zionism isn't the same as Judaism
judaism IS zionism guess where the term zion comes from
Exactly , when someone is anti zionist it doesn't mean that he is antisemitic Free Palestine 🇵🇸❤️
Then ig there is no difference between ixlam and terrorism ✌️
Jews should be able to have their own state.
There are so many muslims countries. Why can’t Jews have one state?
This was an interesting conversation. Jubilee has been on a crazy pace lately releasing all these videos. Keep it up 💪🏾
I would love to see a catholic vs eastern orthodox christian episode! Would be great!
Beautiful just beautiful. This is one of my favorite episodes.
10:21 Me as a Palestinian from Palestine where my ancestors lived in Jerusalem for more than 15 documented generations listening to him saying that I am either Jordanian or Egyptian HAHAHA. Now we were expelled from Jerusalem and still we are the guilty ones...
exactly. He’s literally trying to rewrite history.
U right my friend. Im sorry for his words. As a jew myself i felt really bad for this part. I hate when zionsits just denying the exsitent of palestinais. U are the native ppl of this country you should get respected for that.
@@okyeah4sure Jews have lived in Israel for millenia.
Jews lived in Israel for thousands of years even before prophet Mohammed was a thing.
Yeah lots of hot takes in this video. You've got supporters on the Israeli Jewish side too, brother. We're not many, but I hope the Zionist government will eventually make way for a proper, equal state for all (or two states that live in peace).
As a secular jew, I would never say "I'll only date/marry a jew" but it def makes things easier. Its really hard to explain the past down trauma of jews and the antisemitic experiences I've had. Its just easier when both parties understand the pain going into the relationship.
I mean....there's a lot of other minorities that understand passed down trauma that you feel others of a different race wont understand. I've met a lot of black/Jewish mixed people, specifically from New York. I wonder if there's a shared sense of oppression.
@@sputniksweetheart5187 I’m A Black Jew from South Carolina. I’ve been called everything under the book. I’m a fighter tho so it never lasted long but my gf is a White girl she doesn’t have to understand my “trauma” as long as she respects what I’ve been through.
@@kam5755 I feel that - I don't think anyone could ever really understand with the same depth we have of our own experience, but as long as there is respect and space to practice if you feel like it than it shouldn't matter any old way who anybody marries ! Jews arent homogenous at all - so clearly there's been a lot of different interracial marriages over the centuries and through the continents, the diasporas have led our ancestors. It's weird to me this is even a concern but that's what a "collective trauma" like genocide/the holocaust does - it makes a lot of people concerned about survival and preservation.
You can share your pain with me anytime 😉
Why are you secular may I ask?
The Isreal and Gaza question didnt age well.
This beautiful channel has solved a lot of misunderstanding to me . I am Muslim , and I start to believe that there are so many nice Jewish people . Peace ✌️ love ❤️ (P✌️L❤️) .
Hey of course there are nice Jews!!!! People just live to present Jews as problematic, cuz we are easy to blame.
They’re all zionists
Thank you for this. I want to remind folks in the comment section that those of us born Jewish aren’t just religiously Jewish, we are also ethnically Jewish. I don’t think people realize Judaism is an ethnoreligion.
Totally agree! That's why being antisemitic is a big problem, not only religious wise, but ethnic wise as well. You can't support all ethnicities if you're antisemitic.
Yep. Even the Nazis knew this. Any Jew does 23 and me or ancestry DNA, its right there.
@Amber Tinsleyfor example: if you take a DNA test, you can have "Ashkenaz" as a result which directly relates to you being an Ashkenazi Jew. Being a Sfardi or Ashkenazi Jew is genetically passed down.
The definition changes sneaky move to prevent criticism they even said in this video ohhhh lets change it to anti Jew becuse you can call Europeans that but not the Arabs who are more Semitic while most Jews are white and do benafit from being white passing I don’t care if they have something in there dna most Jews look European.back when race was an issue the Jews wanted to be a religious group in the US census now that religion is an issue the Jews now want to be a race see how they play both to avoid critisium I bet you Jew will become a sexual orientation to
@Amber Tinsley because they're all indigenous to the same place, judea then they were kicked out 2000 years ago and were shipped off to a bunch of places that's why now Jews are made of a bunch of ethnicities but are still 1
It made me realize emotional to hear Baruch talk about how his connection to the holocaust and his mother’s revenge was growing her Jewish family. It was disappointing to hear that he doesn’t believe white privilege exists sitting next to a Jewish black woman who has experienced the effect of white privilege.
I don't think he was saying white privilege doesn't exist, but that he doesn't think Jewish people benefit from it.
He would say that she experienced racism, not white privelege. He even said that out loud. I don't think that's disappointing...
@@nxrth9463 majority of Jews are Caucasian so they do
@@ashleyoasis7948 That's mainly in Europe or in Americas. In Israel the majority is not white/Ashkenazi since its pretty even where Ashkenazi is 1/4 and Mizarahir/Brown and Ethopians/Africans/Black is 2/4 and then 1/4 of Arabs. This is kinda what I got.
@@seiwarriors so isreal can’t belong to them racially then since it’s sorta funny how everyone around that slither of land all have the same skin colour launguage religion culture etc but the Negev desert just magically pop out every race which proves that land is not genetically there one.blonde hair and blue eyes came from the Caucasus mountains by the aryans black skin with coiley hair comes from sub Saharan Africa from the Bantu race all of whom ain’t in the Middle East
Santa Clause must think the country jordan is in palestine and that there is no such thing as the dead sea which seperates them🎅🤡
What is this saying: "Palestine never existed"? It existed before Israel did, it was the name of the territory where both Judaism and Christianity co-existed. Please, be tolerant to the suffering from another side too! My problem with some Jews is their sense of the entitlement. It is a little annoying. But as a Ukrainian living though the mistreatment of another nation, I would proudly say that Ukraine stands with Israel!
The name palestine is literally a mock name on the state of israel
i hate how ignorant rabbi is and how he talked over elisheva when she talked about whitepassing and redlining
Facts !!!!
He's the rule jew
He’s a total baller. I like his style.
That’s cause he isn’t racist and didn’t partake in that.
u do know his name isnt rabbi?
"Why didn't the Jordanian take them in? why didn't the Egyptians take the in their citizens?" Maybe it's because they aren't Egyptian or Jordanian but a different group of people who have lived in a entirely different region for generations.
Jordan was literally part of the mandate of Palestine. You realize they’re all Arabs, right. Palestinians aren’t a special people. They’re Arabs.
@@bennywolfe4357 Arabs who have a land. Thus, they should not have to live in any other arab state. Even if you support israel, what they are doing goes directly against the Balfour Agreement and violates numerous Human rights
@@bennywolfe4357 All arabs aren't the same, a maroccan and a person from saudi arabia might not have anything in common, the same goes for jordanians and palestinians. They are distinct cultures, they have stuff in common but culture is also linked to land
@@saqlaintahir6883 It wasn't their state. They were living there, but it was always some kind of colony.
Except Jordan was literally part of the Palestinian mandate and the current borders between middle eastern countries are the direct result of WW1, not any type of real history.
Let’s remember that as we belong to a primary group/demographic our lived experiences can be very different and ALL are valid. As a black woman newly studying Judaism, this has been so enlightening!
Here’s what I love about this video and these comments : they are diverse. Your comments range from praise to critical, and that also needs to be reflected inversely, to recognize there’s a voice that sees differently. People believe we are a monolith, we are not, but that in its fact begs us to listen a bit more closely, with focus, to our Jews who are (I’ll say this in the best way possible although race and ethnicity are a different thing but y’all ain’t ready for that and yes I understand we were the dirty race) of color which doesn’t delegitimize white presenting Jews (hello) but recognize that our Jews of color have a bit more Maccabee in them. They stand up to a lot.
As a protestant Christian in a mostly catholic country, I didn't know much about Judaism, this was really interesting:)
we dont care
where are you from
@@kdmkevin5146 Portugal
Judaism,🤦
@@mewesquirrel6720 ops sorry, English isn't my first language
Wow - the conversation between the WOC and the older gentleman regarding race. So upsetting to see her points just pushed to the side so he could continue to talk about himself.
Judaism is such a beautiful religion! Much Love from India 🇮🇳
As an Indian, I disagree. Have you ever read the Tanakh? I couldn't stop laughing reading that thing. Lol.
So we were just never going to circle back to the six genders thing?
Please change the title of the video!! The video is about Judaism and different jewish people!! Being jewish is a lot more than the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. Edit: thank you so much for listening to us and changing the title!!
"Israel has the right to exist, you don't hear that language anywhere" Kosovo, Norther Cyprus, Hong Kong, Taiwan: bruh
I'd say north Cyprus is fine i mean, it was all an attempt to rescue thrkish Cypriots so....
I know right
I was just about to say this! 😭
there are more languages than countries. I don’t understand this argument
@@A-Wa he means you don’t hear that specific rhetoric, that sentence, that phrasing, nothing about a full language
Can we get more on Yohanna because she said “There are more genders in the Torah.” I recently purchased a book called rainbow thread about this. Also I’m an interfaith kid it can be possible, and my parents are still together, my fiance is Jewish, and I'm Christian. I would love to see a video of interfaith kids vs non-interfaith kids. We celebrate both in our home.
Are you planning on converting for your fiance?
@@BenDavidin5784 he says I don’t have too unless I want to, and as a product of Interfaith I know it can work. Besides he says all the time I’m more Jewish to him than some born Jews he knows.
I mean it's technically a sin for him and your kids won't be Jewish without an orthodox conversion but yeah I guess you could avoid divorce and raise healthy and happy non-Jewish kids if you're considering "it can work" from the superficial oh"z level
Can you elaborate on your interfaithness; cause maybe you're already Jewish and you don't have to go through the conversion process!?
Would be interested in seeing these conversations had with Conservative and Reform Jews. We aren’t just secular and Orthodox.
Such an interesting episode! I was very impressed to see a wider array of opinions in this episode and participants that all seemed to be mostly well informed.
Is your name an alternate version of Hosanna?
@@shirleytatha8189her name is a common Jewish Female name. It mean rose in English
Rabbi Chaim constantly talking over the others and feeling superior was so exhausting to watch.
Yoanna talks over him the entire time…
He was smarter than most of the people there.
@@bennywolfe4357 your opinion
He's a flipping rabbi of course is
@@mewesquirrel6720 most rabbis i know are quite the opposite- willing to hear people out and giving grace to people with different opinions. sadly being a rabbi doesn't exclude you from being an asshole
That rabbi reminds me of my dad lol. He is fairly closed minded and talks over people instead of actually listening. It’s super frustrating to constantly be near.
the rabbi knows more about jewdism than everyone in that room
@@mikapeterson1454 but he should still listen to other opinions/ beliefs, thats the whole point of the discussion.
Very illuminating on the topic of circumcision, which I have to say is something I've been kind of unsure about myself. I'm in the process of soul-searching and studying Judaism rn to see if I want to convert. But leaning towards conversion because the more I learn, the more I feel like saying with confidence that I always had a Jewish soul, and just didn't know it.
I felt the presence of my great-grandmother on my father's side, in my mind, shortly after saying that... I'm so spooked lol this is crazy. Chills. Like she is happy for me or wants me to do this.
“Palestinians never existed” lmao that’s the most peculiar statement I’ve ever heard in my life
i think he meant as an identity. historically speaking the area of nowadays palestine has been controlled by outside powers, whether it was england(based in england, obviously) or the ottoman empire(based in modern day turkey). because of that no real palestinian identity has existed or has been nearly as widespread as today since practically forever. but there have definitely been native peoples to that region
There is some truth in that, but Israelis also never existed before 1947. So like, it doesn’t make sense to use that argyment
He meant that the Palestinian identity was never a thing before recent history, before 1964 there were no Palestinians, they were neither an ethnic group or a nationality, they were Arabs living in the region of Palestine, you can even see that in the pre-60s "Palestinian" passport, the word "Palestinian" isn't mentioned once, only the region itself is mentioned. The average palestinian doesnt have different DNA than the average Jordanian, Lebanese, Syrian etc.. they are all the same.
@@iemand2612 Kind of. There were states simular to it thousands of years ago(the kingdom of judeah) where jews came from. but the state of israel was mainly created so that jewish people could have a jewish majority country that they could feel safe in without being persecuted. and the jewish identity has been around likely for longer than any palestinian one. so technicly the identity of being israeli is basically just as new as the palestinian identity, but since the israeli identity is mainly based around being in the jewish homeland and in a jewish country(although there are muslim israelis) its kind of an older identity.
@@shoko2816 who cares what they call themselves??? They were living there forever why occupying them ??
“palestine didn’t exist before 1947”…. SIR??? MY GRANDMA IS OLDER THAN YOUR COUNTRY💀
Your grandma is also older than Algeria and India and so many other countries ur argument isn’t valid
@@noacoolest but he’s claiming that palestine didn’t exist before israel, and one, that’s completely inaccurate. and two, he’s trying to claim that a whole group of people did not exist when there is living proof (aka people born before 1947 IN Palestine) that they did exist. That’s basically like saying native americas never existed before “americans” came around. you can’t just make up your own version of history to support your argument.
He is trying to change the history, Israel didn't exist before 1947.
@@zaynahnaser5248 I never said I agreed with what he said however you’re also invalidating israel by claiming it doesn’t exist because of its age . Might as well say India, UAE, Uganda, Yemen dont exist too because your grandma is older than them as well
@@zaynahnaser5248 He isn't saying that Palestinians (The people themselves) didn't exist because obviously your grandma proves otherwise, he's saying that the concept of those people identifying as Palestinians didn't exist, or basically a Palestinian national movement. That's also something which is harder to pinpoint because it's grows over time and doesn't have an exact date such as WWII.
I enjoy all of your series. You guys should do Irish Catholics vs. Irish Protestants
I wish Jubilee would sometimes share the socials of the organizations that their participants are part of. I was especially interested in the one Elisheva and the other female (red-head) are apart of.