Stoke City have among the richest owners in world football, no other teams in the top two tiers of English football within almost an hour of them, and they have spent an absolute fortune over the past decade.
And yet, Stoke just seem to be getting progressively worse, now finding themselves just one place above the Sky Bet Championship relegation zone.
So what's going on? Are Stoke City just cursed? Well, in this video, HITC Sevens ponders that question, whether there is something deeper afoot, and - I suppose - what on Earth is going on at Stoke City.
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As a Wednesday fan, I told my Stokie girlfriend a couple of weeks ago 'you know it's bad when HITC Sevens makes a video about your team' so thank you for letting her feel my pain
Could you imagine us going through what HITC outlines in this video? The peak from 91 to 00, then suffering immediately after relegation maybe. Thank god Stoke are unluckier.
All glory to Wednesday. WAWAW.
😂😂
Our pain is a tickle to the pain owls fans have . Vale are still worse the blades are a pl club and got there while being sold by a owner who doesnt want own them, your pain is still worse
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That beep scared the living shit out of me.
Jumped out of my fucking skin
As a Stoke fan, I still feel like we aren’t really all that cursed, a lot of our problems are just our fault, and we were lucky to not get relegated in the 19-20 season
Same I’m a stoke fan , we started good against Rotherham and ever since we lost to Ipswich we’ve been terrible
A Stoke fan with an anime profile picture is a cursed combination. Norf FC meets Japan.
as a stoke fan i feel disgusted by ur pfp
Bet365 lads , they command the parade 😉
I’m a Bolton fan so I’ll be keeping my mouth shut 😅
"Manchester United were in dreadful form" This could be any season lol
Any season since 2013-14, after the departure of SAF.
stokes transfer business has been done a lot like man utd's since 2013
As a FC Porto supporter i like Stoke City very much: they bought us Martins Indi and Imbula for huge sums and we are very thankful for that.
Digo o mesmo 😂
Imbula was dreadful
Martins indi was class imbula was shit
You're so not welcome!! 🤣 🔴⚪️🔴⚪️
bora crlh um portista por aqui
I renew my petition for you to include international subtitles for your videos. I volunteer for Spanish, but just having them would be great for me and my football loving non-English speaking family.
I also volunteer
❤ I second this
What the videos with subtitles turned on?
Just youtube auto-generated english
I could do the Russian or help with the Spanish subs👌🏻being native Russian speaker and profesional translator of 🏴&🇪🇸
Cheers for absolutely destroying my ears at 3:41
As lifelong Stoke fan and long term viewer, this is my favourite video of yours to date. Very impressive knowledge from a non Stoke fan. I love a few of your zingers too! You hit more nails hit on the head with this video, than are needed in a new house build!! Great work!
Too right, I've always said that allowing Super Jon Walters to leave was the Rubicon.
@@casinodelonge now he’s back!
Several years ago when Stoke were in the Prem, our management decided to get rid of player such as Glenn Whelan, Phil Bardsley and Jon Walters only to 'swap' them for silky smooth continental players such as the Portuguese midfielder Imbula (who cost 18 million pounds and was useless). We tried to move forward as a Prem team with this thinking. Players such Whelan, Bardsley and Walters are absolute bulldogs who would guarantee Stoke Prem status. Those who replaced them were useless fairies, so we got relegated.
When I was at school in the seventies, Stoke were riding high and looking like possible champions. Then our stadium blew down one windy night and we had to sell our best players.
Nathan Jones has the most off key press conferences in English football, the man truly lives on Mars
It’s the club. He was brilliant for Lutonntil he showed his true baa sexual colours and jumped ship twice mid season. Stoke are just shit. Luton are just glorious. That’s fact.
“Wake up babe, Alfie just dropped another banger”
I am a Stoke fan. This video is absolutely spot on in everything but one thing that has been glossed over is the squad overhaul we have had this season. We have started slowly this season and its so bloody frustrating I cannot lie, but I dont think we are too far off doing well this season when our players come back. Love the videos, keep up the good work 👍👍
Yes when out injured prolific goal scorers are fit we will fly up the league, you must be joking.
@@rogermoore-gd9do yeah that is exactly what I was saying wasn’t it 🙄
Looking back. I might’ve got that prediction wrong
Solid summary Alfie. The last 6/7 years of being a stoke supporter has been infuriating. At some point you have to ask, what is the point of having such rich owners if the football is providing so little joy? Sure, we never have to worry about going bust like many similar sized clubs do, but 6/7 years is a bloody long time for the club to be a consistent source of anger and frustration. It should also be noted that Peter Coates presided over 2x relegations to League One in his first spell as owner (as well as seriously flirting with relegation the season Jones was sacked) and also presided over our lowest ever finish of 14th in League One in the early 90s. If they still have credit in the bank for the 10 years in the premiership, it must be very close to running dry by now...
"But can they do it on a cold rainy night in Stoke"?
I love how Alfie always gets me interested in clubs that I would never cared about prior. Once more, great job mate! :)
The Stoke-alona Era was fun, it was a shame seeing them go down. Never thought I'de see it, but I also said the about West Brom. 😭
That 2017-18 season was disastrous for us both, awful signings, massive wage bills, held onto under performing managers for far too long (Pulis and Hughes) and then bought in absolutely useless replacements. Pardew was the worst thing that’s happened to our club in years. Think we’re both feeling the after effects of it now, especially us financially.
I’m an American with no emotional ties to English clubs. However, in 1977 I lived in Hawaii and the now defunct NASL had a club in Hawaii. I went to all the matches except 4 and only because I played in an orchestra at the time and had to perform there. They had a loanee from Stock names Peter Fox who was only 18 at the time. He was a local fan favorite (all three of us). I was 15 at the time and towards the end of the season the two other fans and I were on first name basis with the club and were going to there post match parties. It was later that I learned that Fox played the bulk of his career with Stoke. I do understand that there is controversy surrounding him because of a hazing scandal but 1977 he was my favorite player. Last year I jumped on the Sunderland bandwagon. They had a player from my home region in California named Lynden Gooch. But he was sold to… wait for it, Stoke earlier this season. Perhaps an emotional reason to support Stoke? I wish Stoke all luck in the world and hope they can pull out of the funk this year.
for your mental health, just leave Stoke well alone!
Peter Fox! Wow name from the past. Watched many a match with him in goal. Solud both in goalkeeping and moustaches.
Peter Fox lived in the house immediately behind mine. I used to work with one of his sons too. A really nice bloke.
Alfie. Interesting given the business background of what is the ultimate owner of the club that it would seem that they have not gone down the Brighton/Brentford route of data analytics for recruitment and appraisal of players etc.
Mate in 2014 stoke had 4 champions league winners. Shaqiri, bojan, Arnautović, and Afellay
Honestly one of the biggest issues with Stoke besides goal scoring and opportunities created is we have no identity anymore. We moved away as mentioned in the video from the strong, physical football to the flair style football and bringing in signings who had a poor work ethic and players who weren't established and wasting of money it ultimately led to the downfall of us. Even to this day we still don't as I told my step dad at the time we will stay relegated and almost got relegated again. People also miss that Butland was such a crucial part of our survival for a number of years when he went through problems with the air hostess Stoke have had a lot of problems both on and off the pitch.
Hi Alfie, Stoke fan here, very well informed and researched video, its been awful living through this last 6 seasons but when you lay it out like you have its very eye opening.
Finished #9 for 3 year straight. The same number that 'cursed' the likes of Swansea, Birmingham, Leicester, Portsmouth, etc.
Tbf: Other than Leicester, the rest look like they'll stay in the championship a while
@@anthonykaruri6430Portsmouth haven’t even got back to the championship yet.
This is a spot on analysis of Stoke's problems. Alfie's book on Neil Franklin is great too.
Just stopped by to say that I love the hell out of your videos, man. Your deep research and your narration skills are fantastic. Not to mention how much I appreciate your thoughtful opinions on many matters surrounding the sport. From an American fan. 👍🏼👍🏼
Couldn't agree more
I woke up to a 13 hour shift ahead seeing my favourite football youtuber making a video on my club. I had a good shift man. Thank you
As a potter thank you for acknowledging the pain!
great video, but our window this summer was purely fantastic, just needs a bit of time
Man, please some headphones warning for that bleep sound being a bit too loud 😭 Otherwise as ever so often, fantastic video
I feel like Stoke could really get good usage out of a manager like Ole Gunnar Solskjaer
Clearly Steven Gerrard cursed Stoke for that 6-1 in his final game
Also one thing I thought you'd mention was the headline the other week about Stoke being denied (I think it was) 7 penalties already this season that the PGMOL have had to apologise for. While it may not be a sign Stoke are cursed, it does mean we're damn unlucky!
does not matter, goals should come from open play, and, in any case, we can't score from the spot
I'm sure fans of their city rivals, Port Vale, would argue they have worse luck. They have the unwanted record of most seasons (112) as a league club without playing in the top flight
Wembley of The North
Couldn’t have put it any better than that Alfie.
Brilliant vid mate.
Having Chupo-Moting (PSG) & Joselu (R.Madrid) at Stoke City is wild
Joselu is more or less an Aritz Aduriz type late bloomer at Espanyol/R. Madrid.
Shaq ended up going to liverpool & we sold huth & he aided leicester into a great escape & a unlikely league title
Choupo-Moting was absolutely dire and I'm convinced he's still stealing a living
@@SynonymForTree i agree , i was shocked see him at psg , i nearly passed out when he joined Munich, clearly see somthing in him that stoke fans never got see
Can you do a video on the seven most technical footballers you’ve ever seen? No kick and run merchants, no G/A freaks, just ballers. Longevity not mattering in this case as well. Just got done watching Hazard comps and came up with the idea.
Do u mean like silky? Id like to ask if cr7 makes it in for you? He woudnt for me
@@StephenC-49 don’t think he gets in based on ‘no G/A freaks’
@@StephenC-49 I dont know I always found the drifters a lot more easier on the eye like messi and hazard. Ronaldo was more of a skiller idknif I make sense
Ronaldinho and jj okocha
Mousa Dembele
i knew this video would come someday from you, were an absolute shambles of a club, really hurts to think about how good we were only a few years ago
To be fair, Stoke's relegation - and Swansea's too - were only thanks to an incredible run of form from Saints at the 59th minute of the eleventh hour...we were 4 points adrift with 4 games left to play, and looked absolutely down and out. It was only in the third of those, away at Swansea, that safety was secured...
I think this covers a lot of the issues with Stoke but another I think is that the supporters are stuck in a constant cycle of disappointment and negativity as a result. The famous atmosphere at the ground is long gone and players are routinely booed off the pitch. Until we get some stability this will keep happening but everyone seems to expect instant results these days (in football in general) so the days of us having a stable management team for a long time are a thing of the past.
Stoke isn't cursed at all. It's just bad recruitment since January 2016 that started the trend of mismanagement. Signing managers and players without due diligence can take a well organized club into mediocrity. Good news for Stoke for now is they aren't the worst club in the Championship and they have owners who are legitimate fans of Stoke unlike many other owners in the world. However, how long can they keep this up. Sooner or later, that bubble will burst and the fallout will be catastrophic unless they change their ways quickly.
Thanks ! Absolutely spot on video. Stoke fan
Wednesday: Hold my pint of Hendersons Relish
MLB comparison: seattle mariners
Hi! Love the videos, but can you make videos on Leicester and Ipswich, they're both doing great in the championship and nobody is talking about them.
Leicester is a non story. Recently relegated Premier league club with a squad miles ahead of every other team in the league and bags of parachute money. Ipswich is more interesting but they're not the underdog people are making out. They were among the bookies favorites to challenge for the championship before the season began and had been outspending Championship clubs even when in league 1
@@MenWithVen With Leicester, I actually disagree. The parachute money is insane, yes, but they are still breaking record after record in the championship which I don't see many clubs do. (Leeds and Southampton just from this season) A lot of Championship clubs are rich, but unlucky/poorly managed like Stoke ad West Brom. I like Alfies content as he doesn't just focus on the prem or top 5 leagues and I think that these clubs doing exceptional is something to be celebrated.
Why didn't you mention they are the biggest taxpayers in the country, all family members don't dodge their responsibilities, the daughter is the biggest taxpayer in the uk she paid £226,000,000 last year and the family combined £476,000,000
Relegation is just crazy to me. Must be so frustrating for these fans
Why is it crazy?
@@jtufneveryone was saying that we were going to possibly get to play offs this season because we had got lots of good signings but now we have lots of injuries and are struggling are lot
If you think about it, smaller market franchises live in a type of relegation. Unless they hit a lottery pick, or some mega free agent picks them for some unlikely reason, they live in mediocrity for years/decades.
It adds jepoardy that is not there in American sports
Less frustrating more depressing tbh. I just started losing hope and hating watching the sport for a while after we got relegated, probably partly down to outside forces but ya know.
Spot on with everything however I’m so glad we’ve gone 3/3 and are up to 11th now . Still early but good signs
Being a Stoke fan has been frustrating this last few years - we used to be a place other teams dreaded coming to *cough cough Wenger* but now the atmosphere is dead and everything that made us unique is gone. We need something to change, and soon.
Macari never managed at the Brittania stadium, the first season, the one we were relegated 97/98, chic bates, Chris kamara and Alan durban were in charge of the team
you should make a podcast series
while watching the matches today i brought up stoke city and wondered what happened to them. wild
My first ever fifa game was Chelsea va Stoke back in 2012, I was 12 and had just been gifted a ps3 with fifa 12, great memories.
Stoke reminds me a lot of HSV or if we go a bit further back, 1860 Munich. Players just entered a parallel universe after joining them, a parallel universe where they suddenly stopped being proper footballers.
Yes, that is most likely the case. I trust your non-farmers-league football expertise there, Sir. @@StephenC-49
The same thing happens to managers at Stoke
Thanks for that super loud beep sound, good job there...wtf man?
The only cursed thing about Stoke at the moment is the amount of injuries they’ve had this season. 10 first team players out injured since the start of the season, and considering their longest serving permanent player against Sunderland was Enda Stevens who literally signed 8 weeks ago…
Video on the life and times of Barry Vennison please
Most my family are Stoke fans. Really impressed by the depth of this video. My brother who has talked to me in depth about Stoje's demise has brought up most the points raised over the years.The League cup semi v Liverpool does seem a key sliding door moment. And Wimmer. Oh dear. Only part i would add is the pre 1980s. 1930s Stoke nearly won the league but a key player left for Colombia (as you do) and a friendly in Ireland just b4 a key league match lead to fatigue and them losing out. Ww2 robbed Stoke of the peak Stanley Matthews who Pele rated a better player than him. And finally. In 1970s Stoke had a very talented squad. Nearly won the League mid 70s and won League cup.Then an uninsured stand caught fire and the best players were sold off. 8 years later Stoke were relegated. Not so much a curse but a lot of What-Ifs. Still. Could be worse. I am an Evertonian.😀
No, the roof blew off the stand in 1076
You could do 2 episodes on the signings and injuries respectively
Stoke City is one of my favourite respective teams ever,mainly their aggression style of a football as a real smaller team in history with one title but recently,their form has gone dip which is like a curse,good friends!!!I do hope that one of the oldest respective teams of 160 years would get their form back from today's Championship match onwards,good friends!!!LONG LIVE STOKE CITY!!!!🏋♂️🏋♂️🏋♂️🏋♂️🏋♂️🏋♂️🏋♂️🏋♂️🏋♂️🏋♂️🏋♂️🏋♂️🏋♂️🏋♂️🏋♂️🏋♂️🏋♂️🏋♂️🏋♂️🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
I hope dyche gets sacked and we sign him then get some aggressive destroyers like brandon williams ngl. I miss our snarling aggressive style.
@@yfns4795 I think he is the right choice to get this current squad going through their aggression as they need to playing that kind of a football which can make your beloved team's supporters to be excited and entertained,good friend!!!Brandon Williams would have the desire to be potent in his attack which his flank while defending aggresively when needed and I also do miss your snarling aggresive style,good friend!!!🙏
Depek, every club seems to be one of your favourite clubs ever
@@johnwhittaker311 Good friend,you need to know that through my ancestries,I have English heritage from my mother's side(even if I have no English heritage) and in England,except Chelsea and Manchester City,all the other respective teams are my favourites ever!!!🙏🏻
That BEEP tho😮
I don’t see a ‘curse’ all I see is a shockingly run football club
Stoke always seem very similar to Sunderland in terms of poor long term management and throwing away a long stint in the Premier league with nothing to show for it
This will be my Everton before too long if we're not already there.
Yes if your team gets relegated through bad list of injuries and players past there best i think most fans no matter how upsetting can understand and take it, but when its self inflicted its suicide and makes fans so angry.
As an Australian (never been to England) and a stokes fan. I became a fan after working with a stokes fan in 2004. After high school everyone here only went for the big guys which I didn't like. I like the small dogs. So I jumped on board and followed since. Would love to see a game one day . But thanks for showing me this video. Never knew this bad luck. I aren't the biggest fan but always try to follow scoreline where I can and learn more of their history where I can. Thanks.
Lou Macari wasn’t sacked by Stoke nor did he sue the club. He was sacked by Celtic and sued them. As for Gayle, did we sign the player who scored loads of goals at his level 3 years ago or the older player who’d scored just 5 in 50 premiership apps? Newcastle aren’t paying the majority of his wages out of charity. They clearly wanted him off the books.
Hughes was refused permission to speak to Everton and it all went downhill after that with some shocking signings
No fire sale but lots of players left and less than half of our starting 11 started the season in the championship.
ONeil saved us from relegation. Without him we were down. Spent little but failed to capitalise on that.
Thanks for covering my club Alfie, it's been a tough few years relative to where we had been. I feel when mentioning Michael O'Neill you did neglect to mention how he brought the wage bill down and that did hamper him when recruiting players. It may be my personal bias shining through here though as I feel he was harshly sacked last year and our recruitment issues aside, Alex Neil has done very little so far to make me feel he's the right man for the long term. As far as the Coates family are concerned, I have my gripes with them, I want the club to succeed and for them to heed the fans' pleas to modernise the football infrastructure, yet in spite of all that I wouldn't trade them for anyone considering they do have the club's best interests at heart.
Still feel like there needs to be a swansea one of these, they’re like stoke but without all the gambling money, and every time they start to build something it gets taken out from under them
Swansea's not in England though and Cardiff are more cursed than Swansea anyway.
@@franohmsford7548 so?
@@franohmsford7548Swansea play in English football though so you could feature them or Cardiff for that reason.
@@franohmsford7548also cardiff were never very good, especially in the premier league era. Relegated immediately after promotion both times. More of just a lower mid-table championship club being lower mid-table. Swans have a trophy and played in Europe the last 10 years, only Leicester can say that out of all clubs in the division (obviously they’ve won much more than Swansea have)
@@andrewramos5938 Thank you for making my argument for me.....Cardiff are more cursed than Swansea!
Newcastle United in fact could be the ideal candidates for this on account of how long they have had major success and how close they have come to doing so only to falter at the vital moment and there's no guarantee that they will be winning major honours under the new ownership time will tell i guess
My friend takes his young son to Stoke matches . To help him to learn to deal with disappointments in life when he’s older?
As a crewe fan whose listened to Stoke fans every week since their 08 premier league promotion via local radio, the fans themselves have a part to blame... They were never satisfied even when they were top half of the Premiership!. Pulis was berrated for negative football and Hughes was berrated for not taking them onto an even higher level! The fans forced the boards hands on multiple occasions.. I have family who are Stoke fans that still wholeheartedly agree with these views to this day... As far as i'm concerned they have no sympathy from me and i have no animocity towards them.... (Vale on the other hand! 😆)
Couldn't agree more. Utterly negative fans who love booing players and destroy their confidence. The players leave and regain confidence and start scoring goals.
you're talking shit crewe fan
I would argue us Bolton Wanderers are far more cursed than Stoke. Check the team who’s been in the top flight the most without winning the league. Also the season which caused our downfall, Fabrice Muamba had a heart attack finished his career season before Stuart Holden had career ending challenge what finished his career, Lee Chung Yong had his leg broken in a pre season friendly. Marc Tierney who we bought played 1 game before his career was ended. Sean Davies who we bought played 3 games before he had a bascially career ending injury. Then check the last game which relegated us against Stoke funnily enough where the referee allowed a goal where the keeper was pushed into the net. All this accumulated the game after we played Stoke in a Fa Cup semi final season before when we lost 5-0
THE red and white stripe in general has been working for some time.
Bit harsh on Woods to include him amongst Imbula.
Have a Stoke mate. He’s just as baffled as everyone else. Since their drop they’ve had, on paper, one of the best teams in the championship most seasons. They’ve just not delivered and as he has found out the hard way, football isn’t played on paper
You want to see cursed an actual curse was placed on the Mayo Gaelic football team after their All Ireland win in 1951 after they passed a funeral after they passed a funeral without paying their respects and they have never won it since and have lost something like 13 finals since that time it may not have been the reason why that is but its absolutely incredible bad luck all the same to be losing finalists that amount of times
Thanks for the insight into my team. Oh, and Alfie, the word 'disinterested' does not mean the same as the word 'uninterested'. They have different meanings. I thought someone as eloquent as you would like to know that to avoid future misuse. Or maybe you don't care.
Could be worse. Cheltenham have scored 2 goals in 14 MATCHWEEKS. They almost set a new record for incompetence in front of goal. At least they won finally tho.
Lifelong Stoke fan aged 56, I would agree the worst jobs in football management are Stoke and England. As for the promotion to the Premiership, how we stayed up that first season with the squad we had can only be attributed to a miracle or aliens.
Birmingham fan. That league table at 30:23 is painful to look at. Best thing that happened to Stoke this season was Birmingham appointing Rooney.
Had the "pleasure" of witnessing Stoke blowing a 3:0 lead against Cardiff City in the Span of 10 Minutes during my term abroad in England in 2021 and I can't help but love them as my chaos team of choice since then
That shit caught me off guard ngl 🤣🤣
Do a video on the last 13 years at Birmingham city
If there is a “most cursed” there must be a least cursed, or at least a top cursed league, with a runner-up, etc?
Stoke City the most cursed English football club? People still claimed Tottenham Hotspurs as the biggest one. If they won something, a footballer or manager have to leave Spurs. The likes of Gareth Bale, Luka Modric, Dimitar Berbatov, among the others, have won any major silverwares after playing for Spurs 😂😂😂😂😂😂
As someone who started watching football in the early 2000s, I wouldn't call Stoke a cursed club when there are teams like Bolton Wanderers and Portsmouth which simply dropped off the charts.
I sat next to Peter Coates at the derby vs Stoke game with Mel Morris behind us , we lost 4-0 but his wife was lovely offering me her coat cause I was freezing. I got a photo but Peter had his eyes closed. 🤣🤣
This is basically a word for word history from any Stoke fan. If you want the real curse you need the arsenal hot dog man, butler st stand and joe allen…
a whole half hour vid about my club.....absolutely love it but what a fall from grace we've had
At least you were spared the "What on Earth is going on" title. Much more personalized this time.
yes, i think the summary comment is very salient - essentially we've a lot of money but no idea what to do with it - surely we are not a money laundering mechanism - that can't be right (instead i assume " a fool and his money are soon parted")
Could you do a video about Ipswich town's current form
A solid midtable club in the prem but when tried to bring in more different style of players to try and push up the table they mostly flopped
We’ve just had injuries. Vidigal, mmamae, wilmot, stephens, Rose, Pearson suspended an Wooster burger and hoever
And how many goals do you think they will score between them if they played every game?
@@rogermoore-gd9do about 1 knowing stoke
Can you do one about Newcastle instead of just slagging the club off
Can we see a video about what's going on at Ajax?
We also had by far and away the best squad in the country in 1939 before WW2 broke out and destroyed our hopes of league title. We missed out on a title due to goal difference a few years after, we are still to win a title. We are yet to win an FA Cup also and were robbed in a 1972 semi final when an ice cream seller in front of the Butler Street stand, inadvertently played arsenal onside for a winner that should have been chalked off. The tales of misfortune and woe are never ending for us Potters.
The ice cream seller incident was at Goodson Park in the replay
@@deker1053 i stand corrected! I wasn't born til a decade later..
Nah, they actually are cursed, in my fm save, I was at Stoke for 9½ years, we would be 10 points clear at the top of the table at gw40, qnd then by gw46, we'd dropped into a a spot between 3rd and 5th, and wouldn't get promotion even with a team which could probs be a top half table team in the prem
Stoke a city supporter here. I don’t even want to watch this video. But I will. Alfie, your videos are great, but I don’t want to see one about my beloved Stoke.
Sparky was our curse , Was at blackburn an qpr and they both went down , Coates allowed his reckless spending on some dodgy players , Players had no disire manager become clueless & coates didnt sack hughes sooner allowing the rot set in Tbh i'm a stoke fan whos happy be in the championship more games to go & no VAR Not having VAR for me breaks the curse , if var was in use when we were a pl club we wouldn't of stopped up as long as we did
Yeah, but can they do it on a cold, rainy night in Stoke?
Stoke have always looked a lot like Sunderland and have nothing to show for long-term mismanagement and a long spell in the Premier League.