Group B - Everything You Need to Know | Up to Speed
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The story of Group B, the most insanely dangerous racing series ever known to man. There were virtually no restrictions and the series produced some of the most crazy race cars ever. Group B was so dangerous that it only lasted four seasons before it was abruptly cancelled after a number of crashes resulting in driver and fan fatalities.
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How to drive rally: Step 1: Start your engine. Step 2: Accelerate properly. Step 3: Pray.
Step 4: just do it!!!
Step 5: Hit a tree
Step 6: Get FIA to ban the entire thing after crashes and a previous incident involving 34 people.
@@amithabraham2224 blame the brainless spectators
Spectators had balls
that time when even a spectator need balls.
Come to think of it, Baja 1000 and group B fans are both crazy
speeding freeze hitting spectators is a sport onto itself
That time, when everyone had balls, not pussies.
Lol 747 likes
there will never be the sound of an turborestrictor whistling the hell outta its ports like the quattro did. Hell outta car!
"They are only bushes to us-only trees; if we think these are people, we cannot drive” - Walter Röhrl
"-driving between soft trees-"
trees that jum and run
@@Mewingisgood1 trees that go SPLAT
@@zacharyarchbold4097 trees that went splat in portugal 💀
Earlier times ppl gave it to u to the face, imagine if any racer said anything similar now…CaNcEl lol love how he said he viewed pedestrians like bushes
Group B was the "Pod Racing" of Earth...
Yes
phxxr650r for sure. Reno is unreal
More like Death Race
Now this is pod racing!
@phxxr650r thats airplanes though
*Plays some dirt, tries out the Group B cars. Is halfway into 3rd gear at just the tap of a pedal. Slamming into walls and flying off cliffs seconds later.* Wtf are these cars?
They're barely controllable death machines, that's what they are.
Haha that was literally me last night the Greece stafes with the cliffs are impossible to complete
I'm still confused as to why they're available for so cheap in Dirt. They're basically the hardest difficulty in the game, yet they are just about the cheapest AWD rally cars. I had no idea since this is my first racing game and totaled the car in 4 out of the 6 events. Funny enough, I then bought the R4 cars right after ranking group B, and the change was so drastic the R4 cars felt super boring.
@@carlos2004 Well, group B cars are basically just an engine and drivetrain with a plastic cover and two seats bolted on, not much luxury to drive up the price.
@@carlos2004 the cars werent really too expensive to start out with..... It was once the evolution models came out that they got expensive
Fun fact the reason they found fingers in the cars was because people would try to touch the windows of the cars whilst they hurled past, because they often drove with open windows the fingers and hands would get sliced off
steez general. Okay so Group B fans love to do that is that so
Well that's dumb
that would suck to be the driver like u would zoom past the crowd then all the sudden theres 2 hands and some fingers in your lap
Ok, so thumbs to go up 👍
Wow. To think something that goes 200+ kmh in your direction is not dangerous, and even go so far to try to touch it is simply beyond belief.
We need an hour long documentary on Group B Rally hosted and narrated by Pumphrey.
So your saying that james should do a past gas on group b?
I demand
Yes we do
We need this badass
100% bro
"It was too beautiful and dangerous to exist in this world" Heh, the mustang behind James. Irony.
Lmao
Damn the Group B was bat shit crazy.
Koji Takata Group A , B and S are for real men , group C are for pusies
WRC for boy.real rally race must be Group B
Can someone tell him that rover didn't make the 6r4 MG did
Your Stew MG and Rover are the same shit
Shelby But Group B was definitely handful compared to today cars, but stop with the shittalk. You couldn't probably handle a Super 1600 car
The problem was not Group B per se, but primarily the issue of crowd control or indeed the complete lack of it. Drivers choose to do this work and are at least aware. I just fail to understand why you would want to stand well within range of these missiles.
you are suicidal if you want to drive Group B, but yeah you'd be suicidal to watch it too.
But but but I wanna touch it😢
It reminds me of the running of the bulls.
Because all the cells that were supposed to make up their brain became testicle tissue.
This this this. Boxers know the risk when they get in the ring as do racing drivers. On a side note of the safety people put in to all sorts of vehicles I watched a video of a guy on a scooter crash at 10/15 mph and die right there.
Someone invent a new group b that doesn't allow spectators but will allow drone to fly along to the car to livestream the race
build a spectator drone that can go 200kmh through a fucking forest lmao
@@royce536 the fact that you know about the drones shows that you also read it too bro... ahahaha
No drone could keep up with that beasts
Modern day WRC cars are just as exciting and waaaaaaay faster than group b
@@afcreative22 they just dont have that look or sound though in my opinion
Imagine if Group B happened in the 90's. Mitsubishi and Subaru Group B cars
Naranciat that would be intense
I need a time machine
Mitsubishi had group b car but before the development finished, group b was banned.
And toyota celica
Ohh yea group b Nissan Skyline gtr 4wd 800 phone twin turbo mayhem!
Group B is like the original Top Gear, never to be repeated.
Matthew botha Except on Dave, where it's always repeated.
but only season 6
Aloha Snackbar Oh yeah, Tiff and the gang were so much cooler than Clarkson Hammond and May ;)
Can't beat noel edmonds
Group B feels like the deep dark history of rally car racing
Oddball_Razor considering it's lax regulations shear forosicty of the events
Oddball_Razor literally, Group B was SAVAGE
that was also the golden era of rally
@@farisan99 this was the golden era of most Motorsport. F1 cars were pushing over 1000 HP in qualifying and had little downforce making them essential giant go karts. Group b rally saw monsters flying through the woods just inches away from crowds on either side. DTM saw some of the most exciting, action packed races ever held on tarmac taking place. Ffs, if only I had a time machine
Golden Era true. Fun races, but completely idiotic. Henri Toivonen dying in his burning car is not a wonderful thing or proud thing. @@yeetusdeletus9
R.I.P. Henri Toivonen,the greatest driver with the most talent that none really know about to this day,go watch henri's footage in a sunbeam 1980 rac,my first ever time i saw him with my own eyes,boy he could make that sunbeam dance,he was a joy to watch,id say our dear colin was nearly as good as henri he was that good
Up to Speed -----> Ayrton Senna.... Do it, please!!
Up mano
@meaturama wtf
@meaturama bruh moment
@meaturama Legendary F1 driver. Whether you're an F1 fan or not, you should know that guy.
Definitely! , I remember watching the Senna film at like midnight when it was on at my mates, one of the only films I didn't fall asleep to
Ruined because *PEOPLE WONT STOP WALKING IN FRONT OF CARS ON THE TRACK*
Jeff Sine Hey, there's cars with tons of kinetic energy moving towards us! Let's stands on it's way! It's totally a great idea!
Seriously??? Even with nobody standing near the track, Group B rally stage could still killing all drivers and co-drivers because of the crazy amount of power that the drivers need to handle. If the car itself can't put all of the power down properly or the drivers could not maximize the potential of those machines, it's useless. I really love Group B rally, it really allows manufacturers to give everything that they got into a rally stage with less restrictions. But, after all that happened, it's just impossible to keep it exists until today. For us as the audiences, it's a huge fun. But, for the drivers etc, it's a very risky thing to do. Still, Group B rally will always be remembered as one of the best, most legendary, and most entertaining rally in the history of the motorsports
Lmao true, I can’t understand the people that don’t even stand behind a tree or anything for that matter (aside from other spectators!). I want to one day watch a WRC race but I’d never stand in a vulnerable position.
People lined the track, and even stood on the track, all trying to get pictures of the cars. They’d jump out of the way literally half a second off from being cut in half by those beasts of cars. Tons of people lined the outside of turns too, which is never a smart idea. I heard, and could be wrong, that the drivers were told not to stop if someone got in their way. That they had to keep going and finish the race no matter what. It was crazy and it’s so sad that it ended, but spectators ruined it for everyone else. In response to the above comment, the cars themselves had problems occasionally, but most of them were more than capable of putting the power down. It’s not the car that has the problems, it’s the driver. The drivers knew what they were getting in to, they don’t just send them out without any experience with the car. They willingly risked their life, they knew the risks. The spectators were the only main issue here
You clearly have no idea of how CROWDED the Portuguese rallies were in the 80's. On any given stage, all the stage would be full of spectators from the start to the finish line. There was simple no room for everyone and people wanted to be as close as possible. Here in Portugal rally is just as big as football
1:14 - I wear them everyday 1:20 - is not wearing said Movement watch
Lmao but you don’t need to wear a watch all day to wear it every day. but THAT WAS FUNNY!
Who really would wear a movement watch😭
"There's a certain beauty in the things that scare us." Still of the best episodes!
in 1986 a delta s4 drove a lap of a f1 track and would have qualified 6th that year. f1 speed through a forest!!! probably the greatest drivers of all time
It's a myth that has survived for way too long. Ayrton Senna did indeed test a Group B car but only on a dirt track and did NOT lap a F1 race track. While the Group B rally cars had up to 600hp in their last iterations (Audi S1 EvoII in 1986) the F1 cars had unrestricted turbo engines producing everything from 1100-1400 hp in qualifying trip in 1986. BMW's M10 engine was boosted up to 5,6 bars of boost (81psi) and produced 1400+ hp on the BMW dyno. There's no way a group B car could come anywhere near a F1 car at any racetrack. The F1 cars were also around 550kilos back in the mid 80's whereas even the lightest group B's were around 900 kilos. And the incredibly grippy tires and huge wings F1 used would make it obvious to anybody the Group B wouldn't stand a chance other than in a drag race up to 100km/h (60mph).
That's a myth. But they did put the car in thr track. That Audi run happened at Estoril, Portugal (the dates of both events at the time - F1 GP and Rally Portugal - were relatively close).
On dirt right
As far as I know it would’ve qualified 6th on a wet F1 lap time? with the S4 still being ran on dry conditions.
@@zimutes It's probably what Mikkola was talking about in an interview. They lapped the same course, but with dirt on it, and he was 4 seconds slower than F1s (that's batshit crazy).
Group B B for badass
Amirul Asyraf And the audience is retarded. I have 0 sympathy for any of the brain dead morons who stand next to the track and get hit.
Devin Stambolziovski the dumbest are those who stand behind high speed or blind turns. It’s their fault we lost group b
"B". For "Bitch-ass NASCAR drivers".
The lack of crowd control is what got group B cancelled Nowadays, any marshal can make the phone call to stop a stage because some dumb fuck won't move from a dangerous position, and spectator areas can be so far from the road that the drivers don't know they're there
Not gonna lie, If this guy gets removed or replaced this channel is gonna die. If you look at the uploads this series gets the most views and that is what keeps the channel alive
L3ngnd27 I want to sit on his face.
R.I.P Henri, no-one will never know how good he could've been. Lepää rauhassa.
@Sparticus Booker in that case Jim Clark must not be that good.
@Sparticus Booker Actually, if you watch his last interview, Toivonen compained of having a flu and fever. Also, he talked of how fast the car was ( 0-100 km/hr in 2.1sec). Don't forget he had won or led his previous 4 rallies, before disaster happened. His wife as well said that Lancia banned Toivonen from withdrawing from any rally. I think he was such good
I cant watch those Group B videos without f*king tears in my eyes, that was a proper competition of talent, engineering, courage.. the most brutal and beautiful time in automotive history. Just think, Audi could launch their 5 cylinder iron block powered monster from 0 to 60 mph in 3 seconds.. on a f*king GRAVEL.. in 1986?! Isn't that just completely insane? I would literally shit myself if I had a chance to drive one. And that brutal noise these engines made, it rips my soul out. If they just had more safety regards spectators, maybe the whole group would not get banned and God knows what achievements would come out of this.. That was a brilliant time.
More like guts
Yo, let's make cars out of plastic, give them 500 horsepower and drive them in narrow dirt roads at 200 km/h *something goes wrong* Oh no, who could have seen that coming?
Well he said it himself - some body parts were made out of fucking kevlar.
Welcome to the 80’s😂
Lmao
Deaths waiting to happen.
*Pikachu suprise face*
These things did a 2 second 0-60 on DIRT
2 seconds or less in real life.
D Lol
They did 0-100 in 2.5 seconds in the mud
For real though, before group b got banned Lancia developed the s4 with 1400FUCKINGHORSEPOWER, and according to them it managed 2.1 seconds to 100MP FUCKING H ON GRAVEL
GROUP 🅱️
ITS DAVIDGAMESFTW meme
I'm here from the future! Been going back through some of these older videos, and I have to say, this might be James' best video. The sheer passion that he speaks with about group b is felt through out the video. We all know James has a great personality for this job, but man, when he has the emotion behind it as well its just incredible.
For some reason I can hear Jeremy Clarkson yelling POWERRRRRR
*FINALLY. THIS VIDEO HAS COME*
"Cheated death" LITERALLY THE OPPOSITE MY FRIEND
They were actually flirting with death at that point. No, correction... they were rounding 3rd bait and asking if death had any condoms.
Ethan T. Presland what
michelle mouton is my idol
Challenge: get into rallying ASAP. Would subscribe
She's a goddess
@@h.cedric8157 stellar choice, really
i can totally understand great choice
She is the only girl who have the guts to take the risk
Seriously man, you deserve your Lambo. You are so entertaining, you're very enthusiastic and your humour is really funny as you do a lot of facial expressions and all ! Keep it up bro (yeah, I bro you, I don't give a s***) !! Thank you from all the car community !! Thumbs up so we show our appreciation guys !
Andddd I’m gonna be late for work...
Wow, this video almost made me cry, one of the best videos I've ever seen. Raw power, Danger and Blood was shed in Group. Group B will live on our hearts.
I remember seeing this on FB a while ago, so happy I found it again. Subbed
These spectators are Mustangs wet dream
Everything you need to know.. up to speed.. JAMES's DAD.
Anyone else here for a quick history refresh after Cosworth?
#DonutMedia: Welp, I still can’t get enough of this series.
Time to cover up Pikes Peak now
Oh boy that will be a good one
Funny story about group B: last time there was a group B rally stage in Portugal (the place of the RS200 Crash) the lancia team "reportadly" went to the circuit of Estoril (near Sintra) to tune their rally cars. the fastest lancia did a fast enough time arround the tarmac circuit that it would place 6th in the same track's F1 GP
Alexandre Seixas I want to believe this but your "spelling" concerns me.
think its true, read this before
And the driver that did it was none other than the great Henri himself...
Love your stuff, including the podcast on Group B's Michele and their Lancia vs. Audi rivalry. However, I'd love to hear James tackle the friction between the racers and the FIA following the Portuguese Rally incident with Santos crashing into and fatally injuring fans. At the core of the Group B's final year was essentially a labor dispute, one that was so frantically challenged and straddled by both Lancia and the FIA, it lead to Toninoven's death. His quotes alone at the Tour de Corse had him basically acknowledging that he was probably going to die, driving while having the flu and having periodic blackouts. I love Group B, but that is a very important storyline in it all.
i love your straightforward and comedic aggression towards this topic of conversation😂😂😂😂 keep up the good content brother!
7:51 wait so you're telling me Gucci is into rally?! Look on the front fender
Girls Reject me you see pirelli? Italian companies we're dominant in racing during that period.
Gucci gang
gucci mane should buy that car
@@3lrancho r/facepalm
I mean, why not? :P
It’s awesome to see Americans knowing and educating people about this sort of stuff, I love it! Little mistake at the beginning though: When you were talking about “Group A” as the era before Group B, what you’re actually talking about there is Group 4 (the days of the Fiat 131 Abarth, Lancia Stratos & Opel Ascona etc.) Group A actually came after Group B was banned in 1987 and included cars such as the Lancia Delta Integrale, Ford Sierra RS Cosworth and the Toyota Celica GT-FOUR. Great video though! Subscribed 🤙🏼
Exactly even if actually Group A and B came at the same time then B was banned and rallying was then for Groups A and N only. VW Golf and Opel Kadett FWD were Group A racing along with Group B.
opel manta 400
Subaru impreza 1995 group a car you forgot
he corrects it later when he talks about the audi quattro
@@peiper5744 Well yeah lol I wasn't listing every single Group A car under the sun, I just gave a few examples.
This was uploaded 3 years ago would absolutely love more rally car content from y’all! It’s badass, exciting, and honestly surprised there isn’t more rally content since y’all are in dirt 5 so it’s like perfectly set up 🤷♂️🤷♂️
Love the vids man. I watch em religiously 😆😆😆. Thanks guys!!!!! U deserve every bit of success..👍🏼👍🏼
Up to speed Cosworth or //AMG
NOBED_ 86 Good choice
PLEASE. Cosworth and AMG. Two of the best.
AMG would be a killer video. I'd like to see more about the house of the Hammer.
Hey! I'm from portugal and live near Sintra were the rally stages were, and to this day you still hear the stories about that crash. I just have one thing to say about that.. one who walks on the rain, gets wet. (that's a portuguese saying btw) no one told those people to be there to watch the races, of course there was a lack of security and safety features on the circuits at that time, but you don't need to be a genious to know if someone goes off, the car will probably hit you! and if you see videos from that time, people whould line up after a jump to see the cars fly over them.
I live in Lisbon, I go up to Serra de Sintra all the time to drive there, such a fun mountain pass! É pena grande parte da serra ter ardido :/
@@eduardosampoia5480 Confere.
@@Hexthrill No need to confer...take my word
@@Hexthrill aonde é que a serra ardeu? Que eu me lembro o último grande incêndio foi em 1988...o primeiro em 1966...e o assisti a mtos ralis na serra... Inclusive a passagem dos carros do grupo b
Freakin made me tear up towards the end by how descriptive he was love this guy donuts amazing
Can't stop watching this channel's videos. Thanks!
I seriously get goosebumps when I see or hear the Delta S4. The tragic fact is that Lancia, which won 11 world rally titles over the decades, is now slowly dying because of poor decisions made by shit business men.
Armando Forno ...actually mainly because of poor sales even in those glorious days.
No thank you I don't really like Alpha Romeo
Armando Forno they made a huge mistake which killed both driver and co driver which was fucking not using a safer fuel tank even risking more heavier car
Mäkirannantörmä alfa romeo WILL survive, they still belong to fiat but if it doesnt go wel theyll probably just go back to fiat chassis. Theve done that before and still made fun cars like 147 gta
winger123 plays 2 drivers
"I wear it every day" - Doesn't wear a watch in the rest of the video.
He didn't say he wore it ALL day
Dude you are the perfect commentator for this! You can seamlessly convey excitement, comedy, sadness and detailed information all in one video easily making the viewers fans of whatever your talking about. I came here for the Saab history video (just bought a ‘99 9-3) and now I’m subscribed 👌👌👌
Fantastic stuff, never knew about Group B before. Fascinating story. Thanks!
OMG it's *Group B* !!! 😱 Thumbs Up Instantly
The famous quote on this category by Juha Kankkunen (who happened to be the last champion for Group B...) ? WRC is for boys; but Group B is for MEN.
* *was* for men.
Armour Shooter I
Dawwwg Online -also for alpha women.
It was a quote misquoted, no politics involved, and Michèle Mouton was 'one of the guys' anyway :)
Ill watch the history of nascar at this point lol
LIKAB055 Moonshine runners running in supped up Hudson Hornets.
This series is so good that indy car, And nascar would still be good videos
NASCAR has a crazy history. We could probably almost do a whole series on it
DO IT FOR DALE !
Ill watch them all if its you guys that do it.
I have watched this video so many times can’t get enough of group B
James, I have a 6 year old kid and this is one of the first videos of rallying I showed him, you are a legend, please never stop, keep rolling and inspiring.
Wait every week for this show
R.I.P. Toivonen. And Michèle Mouton is BAE. Mad respect to these drivers, fearless and truly committed to their sport.
This is one of the best car videos on the internet. Pumphrey clearly loves the subject, and you can feel it. The editing, clip choice, and information are spot on. Superb video, thank you Donut Media.
What an amazing video. Good job. I really enjoyed it.
2018 WRC cars are actually quite a bit faster than any Group B car, but what makes group B so special even till this day is the cheer visceral savagery the cars had, ask walter Rohrl. They were renowned to be extremely hard to drive and quite terrifying even for the champs to master.
True, bear in mind they had no advanced computer simulation programs back in the 80's and really pushed the envelope of 80's technology. Performance took a giant leap at this time. The chassis, suspension, brakes and tires of the time couldn't cope with the insane power outputs of Group B cars and astute engineers and drivers had to find the best way to address that. There was no advanced computer telemetry either so real drivers had to be able to convey to the engineers what the cars handled like and what to improve. They were literally in uncharted waters back then and it really was up to the driver to explore the limits of the cars.
When Group A was introduced, there was an initial drop in average speeds, but by already by the end of 80s the cars were faster and have been faster ever since. This can be proven by comparing average stage times from a handful of stages that were run in consecutive years and changed very little. The current (post-2017) WRC are not just faster than Group B, they are also most likely the fastest rally cars ever.
@@deggis4 Ah, someone with some sense
If group B existed today, the cars coming from it would match in performance with Huracan and 458 likely. Imagine it, a Focus beating a Lamborghini in anything!
@@deggis4 So nice to see someone else making this point. I've had this argument so many times on Group B videos with people who think Group B was the be-all and end-all. Many folks simply refuse to accept that the WRC cars could be faster, even when presented with evidence.
thankyou very much for doing this video reminding us about the good old days
Honestly, one of Donuts best bits of work. Crazy good.
Big respect for keeping this one down to earth in memory of those who lost their lives spectating and competing in a sport they loved.
LMFAOO “Send me a dollar for a Lamborghini”😂😂 I fucking love this guy 😂💀
"i wear my watch everyday!" *continues the video with none*
Dude, you're a genius. VERY entertaining. Thanks!
This is the first Donut Media video I've seen and afterwards I was hooked on Donut Videos. This is the 4th time re watching this one and still love it lol
5th time rewatching lol
Le mans?
Le woman? Damn he edited it, my joke is ruined.
Βig Smοke yes please
Alex's Collection nuh uh
Wrong title, we need to see the Group C!
As a Fin I love groub b, but now that I have seen 2017 wrc cars at rally Finland, I think it is better now because they are so much faster and they fly more.
You're my new top gear.
Very nice speach there, big fan meanwhile, thx and keep up the great job, kind regards
Great video, i knew nothing of this beautiful insanity
Do an Everything You Need to Know on Group C Racing next! The Group B of Le Mans!
5:58 how can you mention that without saying how they got there - from people touching the cars as they sped by at full race speed - that's how close people were to the cars - they could reach out and touch them do f1 the killer years
actually? like fans severed fingers?
really, that's what people said back then. people would touch the car as it went by, sometimes getting wedged in the panel gaps/etc and it would rip it clean off
Thanks didn't understand what he meant with that line. Crazy!
I mean, there was a recent viral vid of current rally fans lying in a ditch on the inside of a blind corner...
dudeinc10 link?
Back then the older technology to avoid turbo lag was that when cornering you should keep your foot on the throttle to keep that throttle body open so that the turbo to keep spooled up and never release it to slow down until you cross the finish line. Todays technology WRC uses is anti lag system of twin scroll turbo.
Which was the most dominant car? Amazing video btw. Best video on group b I’ve seen. 🙌🙌🙌
Up to speed on the Pontiac GTO? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ EDIT: Or the Mitsubishi. Fuck it
Yeah, the 288 GTO needs an episode ASAP. ;)
Ian Ross mitsubishi gto is the underground king
Or maybe Pontiac? “Here come da Judge”
Ian Ross g The 3000GT oh yeah great idea 🤜🏻🤛🏻
Oh the Dodge Stealth, you say?
A History of Drifting - Everything you Need to Know | Up to Speed #itstartedinjapan
it started in rally
Jim Gorlett more in the sense of a professional sport rather than a "maneuver". But still good point.
Wangan
idk if it started in japan but keiichi tsuchia definetly popularised it
Yes plz
Last March I was driving to Corte from the Golo Gorge. Totally forgot about the Tour de Corse before I passed by the exact spot where Toivonen and Cresto crashed, there’s a memorial there. Dampened the mood of an otherwise glorious drive, god bless his soul.
I really love these videos! However, the predecessor of Group B as a top class of rallying was in fact Group 4. If I remember right, Gr. 4 required a car that had a minimum of 400 units produced, but otherwise it was pretty close to Group B. So the birth of the supercar era in rallying was more because of huge steps in technology at the time (4WD, turbochargers) and increasing budgets which led to more manufacturers developing new cars from scratch just to get the fastest possible rally car. A good example is Lancia's mid-engined Stratos, which was specifically developed for racing already in the early 70's - and the Audi Quattro was initially a Group 4 car too, as told in the video.
I wonder how fast would be Group B And F1 today. By F1 i mean times when you could put as huge turbo as you want, use a lot of engines, rev them to 20k And refuel it. With slick tires In grup B we could just add some security to keep stupid people outside a track stupid people that want to touch a car destroy everything again
Krzysztof Dolecki if f1 didn't change regulations since the 80s I reckon the cars today would easily be 10 seconds faster a lap then the current 2017 cars. Peak g force in cornering probably 7.5 and top speeds of 400+ easily. Imagine a car with 1500hp and weighing 600kg with extreme downforce and ground effects as well as advanced modern slicks extra wide.
once i read that Lancia S4 (turbo AND supercharged 1,8L) driven on tarmac, had lap time to qualify in second or third row in F1 championship of that era.
in the porsche museum is a f1 car that made 1800hp with a 1.8l v6. it was raw power, but you had the peplace the engine after every race
Tony Badivuk Top speed of 400+mph??? The laws of physics think otherwise, good luck getting ~350+ with rubber tires without centripetal force ripping them apart
Well, there was that one formula with giant fan generating a lot of downforce, but one of the problems was that the cornering G's were just too much on the driver. Brabham BT46, I think it was that. I think that people could easily build faster cars, but there is just limit to the human body.
YOU DID IT! No one beyond the film "Too fast to race" has done a nice job of describing why Group B was arguably the best motorsport of all time, whilst being the craziest too. And in only 11 minutes!!
Favorite episode ever
Still one of my favorite episodes
Love how he advertises his watch.. but isnt wearing it during the video... 🤔🤔🤔
Or wearing his wives
every youtuber ever '' i wear mine everyday'' but not a single watch is seen in any videos
Group B was such a tragic story 😢
amazing chanel, tnx for your videos
This is the video that introduced me to Donut. Never looked back
dropped everything when I saw this!
Aaron Robinson I was studying and then I saw this video uploaded. Can't be happier than this
Group B rallycars are still allowed but only during special events , shamed that WRC never gave them a chance to shine :(
In rally legend you can indeed
SennaOnline thats wat i meant , Special Events
Which means they're not pushing as hard because it's basically just an exhibition.
Sigma Projects well they are driving on street circuits , so they barely got enough room to fly
Yea, but now that it's paved hill climb records have improved a lot. It's just not the same, the tarmac really tamed it. I think it made it better for amateurs who want to do the climb.
You guys should do an episode on all the homologated cars from group B. You could showcase which ones are still available and what they go for now. I’d watch it
Your breakdown of Group B is fantastic. Also, you’re well-spoken, almost poetic when you’re not trying to squeeze dad jokes in 😂 Definite like and subscribe
Hey! Funny ass Donut Media...Corvette? Up to speed? Please? I like all your vids. I'm subbed too 😘✌
Young Roosevelt good choice.
I would love to see a vette up to speed.
That would actually be great, good idea!
Jason Wingate I'd think pretty big considering she's only been with black guys 😂😂😂 *ba dum tsst* I'm black by the way
Because the the story of Zora Arkus-Duntov needs to be told, man!
I can't stress this enough, go watch a couple documentaries called 'Too Fast To Race' and 'Still Too Fast to Race'
I concur, go watch it *NOW*
Thank you for the recommendation, i'll check it out. I hunger for informative and entertaining car-related (especially rally) content.
great video
I love the writing here. Especially the summary.
This is true In the group B documentary they interviewed some of the drivers and some of the driver said they couldn’t think fast enough when driving the cars and other drivers said the cars where to fast for the drivers to think.