What is Ultimate Reality? | Episode 1301 | Closer To Truth
What is reality? What’s the deepest nature of things? Our world is complex, filled with so much stuff. But down below, what's fundamental? Only the physical world? Or anything nonphysical? Featuring interviews with Yujin Nagasawa, David Deutsch, Christof Koch, John Hick, and Julian Baggini.
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Intellectual speculation can be very interesting. But when you are ready to go beyond mere speculation, look me up. Case in point: The Ultimate Reality is THIS: "God" is the Mind that is ALL, and we are THOUGHT within that Mind, given the ability to think WITH that Mind. (Like an infinite number of computer terminals connected to one Main-Frame Supercomputer.) You are currently experiencing a virtual-reality realm of LIMITATION due to a single, simple error that you made. And the correction of that error is also simple. If you want to know more, including the answer to the coronavirus, visit my KZhead channel, just a "click" away......
Tom Rhodes and what are your credentials? Physicist ?
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@@MrAlccosta Naïveté.
@@tomrhodes1629 I subscribed Tom
Watching in this on my phone in hospital while on a huge dose of opiod medication, for a huge operation. 😮😮😮😮😮😮😮
“The overall number of minds is just one… We never in fact have any experience anywhere of a plurality of consciousness, but always and everywhere only one consciousness in the singular.This is the one and only perfectly certain piece of knowledge.” - Erwin Schrodinger
I’ve always considered this a possibility, but I’d kind of rather not be (a minuscule part of) the only mind in existence. Seems like a terrifyingly lonely, solipsistic nightmare. But what do I know? Maybe it’s awesome when “each of us” returns to the Supreme Mind-presumably after we die... 🤷🏻♂️
The World Teacher - Jagadguru Svāmī Vegānanda I really don’t think that what you’re saying is crazy, but I tend to think mathematics is its own fundamental thing. And, together with the equally fundamental consciousness, gives rise to matter which is both qualitative (consciousness) and quantitative (mathematics) Consciousness is probably fundamental, but I think mathematical matter/energy taps into consciousness and allows for _observers_. And observers make qualitative sense of purely quantitative matter/energy. No, I have no evidence for this other than reflecting deeply on the nature of my own subjective, first person experience. But, hey! This is fun! Any thoughts?
You're on the correct path, 10thdm. And I can show you exactly where that path leads; NOT derived from intellectual speculation, but from Divine Revelation: The Ultimate Reality is THIS: "God" is the Mind that is ALL, and we are THOUGHT within that Mind, given the ability to think WITH that Mind. (Like an infinite number of computer terminals connected to one Main-Frame Supercomputer.) You are currently experiencing a virtual-reality realm of LIMITATION due to a single, simple error that you made. And the correction of that error is also simple. If you want to know more, including the answer to the coronavirus, visit my KZhead channel, just a "click" away......
10thdim Great quotation! 👍👍👍 Lots of people believe in “Einstein’s God”, as the rather distant intellect behind the Laws of Nature. However, I much prefer Schrödinger’s God - the one “Universal Mind” which reconnects us to all sentient life. This is much more compatible with Eastern religions and IMO books like the Bible only make sense from that perspective... Why else would God name himself “I AM” in Exodus 3:14 “Say this to the people of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.” or Jesus “I AM the vine and you are the branches” (John 5:15) or “Before Abraham was, I AM” (John 8:58) etc. I just wish he’d been vegetarian and universalised the “I AM” to include all sentient creatures!
Ok when we think about consciousness mostly we speculating about brains and complex life forms who have them. But in science we can't agree or every life form at least on earth have a consciousness, so bacteria, viruses and cells in the term of life are non concious so the question why? They are moving and acting like they at least hawe something similar like a brains they made desitions and do tasks so why we cant acept them like a consious , so if we acept them like a primitive concious parts then we could at least think abouth information = energy= consiousnes . But only isue is only complex life structures can become individuals only when they get more tools, organs to understand more then simple tasks and a bit space they are in. So we nead somehow understand how human who born without moste of his sences understands the space and time how his brain activity is adapting without understanding anything around and are we could call that concious life or not ? + Plants they are life form we are agre but are they hawe conscious ? so if we accept that then everything changes
Closer to Truth speaks to the soul.. Long time fan of this series. Very grateful to the creators for its continuation. Looking forward to all the new episodes.
Ok when we think about consciousness mostly we speculating about brains and complex life forms who have them. But in science we can't agree or every life form at least on earth have a consciousness, so bacteria, viruses and cells in the term of life are non concious so the question why? They are moving and acting like they at least hawe something similar like a brains they made desitions and do tasks so why we cant acept them like a consious , so if we acept them like a primitive concious parts then we could at least think abouth information = energy= consiousnes . But only isue is only complex life structures can become individuals only when they get more tools, organs to understand more then simple tasks and a bit space they are in. So we nead somehow understand how human who born without moste of his sences understands the space and time how his brain activity is adapting without understanding anything around and are we could call that concious life or not ? + Plants they are life form we are agre but are they hawe conscious ? so if we accept that then everything changes
Whose truth, whose soul?
And we trudge along with you Mr.Kuhn with respect, gratitude and a desire to be Closer To Truth.🙏🏼
"It is stranger than we can think". RBS Haldane. ❤
I love these CTT episodes and Roberts questions are 10/10. They're great in the car cause there's not usually anything that needs looking at. So interesting that traffic and long drives are much easier.
Not believing I had a meaning made me wake up and stop accepting everything I lost along the way. Living for my son and future generations. There are only so many steps someone can take but the effort sparks inspiration
The more i keep thinking about what is the ultimate reality, the closer i get to loosing my mind. lol
Which may not be that bad, after all, we are more than our minds... who/what we are is beyond the mind, imho...
loosing your mind over a red herring? Why is that?
BTW, it’s “losing”
Me to
Ok when we think about consciousness mostly we speculating about brains and complex life forms who have them. But in science we can't agree or every life form at least on earth have a consciousness, so bacteria, viruses and cells in the term of life are non concious so the question why? They are moving and acting like they at least hawe something similar like a brains they made desitions and do tasks so why we cant acept them like a consious , so if we acept them like a primitive concious parts then we could at least think abouth information = energy= consiousnes . But only isue is only complex life structures can become individuals only when they get more tools, organs to understand more then simple tasks and a bit space they are in. So we nead somehow understand how human who born without moste of his sences understands the space and time how his brain activity is adapting without understanding anything around and are we could call that concious life or not ? + Plants they are life form we are agre but are they hawe conscious ? so if we accept that then everything changes
something that is the supreme, final, and fundamental power in all reality
Robert, this episode is one of the very best!! Well-done, and Thank You for all of your work!! Domari Nolo *III*
Meaning is a relative concept that is enabled by consciousness. Therefore life is the fundamental constituent or conduit of meaning. Things can't have meaning in and of themselves. Everything would literally be meaningless without consciousness.
@@TheWorldTeacher sorry, what's that mean? And why are you calling everybody slave?
Consciousness is that which allows us to realize meanings that already exist, consciousness does not create meaning, it merely recognizes it.
@@user-qu4oh4xi1s Interesting opinion. Meaning is a concept dictated by psychology though, so it's within the interpretation of phenomena that meaning arises.
Ok when we think about consciousness mostly we speculating about brains and complex life forms who have them. But in science we can't agree or every life form at least on earth have a consciousness, so bacteria, viruses and cells in the term of life are non concious so the question why? They are moving and acting like they at least hawe something similar like a brains they made desitions and do tasks so why we cant acept them like a consious , so if we acept them like a primitive concious parts then we could at least think abouth information = energy= consiousnes . But only isue is only complex life structures can become individuals only when they get more tools, organs to understand more then simple tasks and a bit space they are in. So we nead somehow understand how human who born without moste of his sences understands the space and time how his brain activity is adapting without understanding anything around and are we could call that concious life or not ? + Plants they are life form we are agre but are they hawe conscious ? so if we accept that then everything changes
The one mind that is god is what made all this. The connection with him during one life is possible through ego death(the only way to die but not actually die)
When trying to explain all of these truly difficult questions, Humans are unable to escape our own egos. Thus when we try to give some meaning to the universe the mind is always inextricably linked to those theories or philosophies. I think it's stifling and shows hubris that the universe must alwasy be linked to our conciousness.
you think all others are identical to you eh titch? on what evidential basis.
Knowledge is the ultimate reality.
Emmanuel Kant's Critique of Pure Reason comes very close to answering this question of ultimate reality.
A very interesting episode, the crux of The Search. As I get older, and have experienced a greater range of qualia, I have found my assessment of what ultimate reality is has progressed through the five possibilities Robert enumerates. I have currently arrived at the Big Consciousness option.
one of the best shows on the internet. plain and simple. just wonderful food for the mind and soul. GRAZIE!
The United States has very ill health due to its irrational JUNKFOOD habit - - man-made stuff that looks smells and tastes like food, but has absolutely NO nutritional value. Intellectual speculations are likewise nothing but junkfood when the Truth has made itself known to those who listen. And the Ultimate Reality is THIS: "God" is the Mind that is ALL, and we are THOUGHT within that Mind, given the ability to think WITH that Mind. (Like an infinite number of computer terminals connected to one Main-Frame Supercomputer.) You are currently experiencing a virtual-reality realm of LIMITATION due to a single, simple error that you made. And the correction of that error is also simple. If you want to know more, including the answer to the coronavirus, visit my KZhead channel, just a "click" away......
Ultimate reality for me is my existence. Despite friends, relatives, etc., I am alone as a single living being and it appears will die alone as well. Despite how profound facts can be, that reality is what makes life so precious and a reward that I cherish despite the fact my curiosities only seem to grow. Enjoy your investigation.
Your reality is what your human body takes in from the five senses, and sends into your brain, and displayed to your consciousness for your own personal experience. Doctors and scientists can find and examine your brain but they haven’t got a clue where consciousness is or how to explain it, or how it works. But your brain is a biological computer that your consciousness connects to in order to experience this world and take from it feelings and thoughts. Just like a set of 3-D glasses you use at a theater to make the movie more realistic and fun. But your brain is a lot more complicated than a pair of 3-D glasses and it enables you to experience this movie of life that we are experiencing, but it is just a hologram, albeit a very good one and a very complex one. Your personal consciousness will always exist but the human body is tossed after the movie just like 3-D glasses are tossed after the movie. You, the real you, lives on eternally. Science can’t tell you or any of us who made the moon and perhaps they never will but your heart knows who made it and if you seek the answer, you will find it. The last and dying words of Steve Jobs was, “…oh wow, … Oh Wow, … OH WOW!!” We, the combined parts of consciousness, just like our single human body that is made up of trillions of living cells that work together as one, live for eternity. This life on earth is just an illusion - a very good movie.
@@mikeharper3784 This long, rambling reply is barely relevant. You think too much of yourself to think you of all people are certainly correct.
For sure a wizard in his past.
You've got too much time on your hands Robert. Just enjoy the journey. Be happy. Don't worry so much about anything because there's no reason involved. It just is.
He is totally different in thinking I love him for that
Ok when we think about consciousness mostly we speculating about brains and complex life forms who have them. But in science we can't agree or every life form at least on earth have a consciousness, so bacteria, viruses and cells in the term of life are non concious so the question why? They are moving and acting like they at least hawe something similar like a brains they made desitions and do tasks so why we cant acept them like a consious , so if we acept them like a primitive concious parts then we could at least think abouth information = energy= consiousnes . But only isue is only complex life structures can become individuals only when they get more tools, organs to understand more then simple tasks and a bit space they are in. So we nead somehow understand how human who born without moste of his sences understands the space and time how his brain activity is adapting without understanding anything around and are we could call that concious life or not ? + Plants they are life form we are agre but are they hawe conscious ? so if we accept that then everything changes
Excellent. Thanks
I've watched a few, including one with an intro about your balanced perspective, but the videos I've watched have been interesting in many ways, but I don't feel you trying to bridge gaps in your knowledge, I really feel you telling people how you feel quite doggedly as they continue to tell you that moments have meaning. Sorry if the rough side of my tongue/mind are out tonight, I'm just honestly sharing my perception with you as another person who is interested in the truth. ❤️
I've always found a few things evident. Fractals are present everywhere, the self similar features which we see in fluid dynamics and chemical geometric boundaries being broken by dissipate forces. The formation of sand dunes, Turing patterns. Veins, branch systems and our mind. These reiteratings and almost toroidal feedback loops of information and physical forces driving patterns in soap bubbles and thermal dynamics. So in one, do we find a reflection of the whole in a way. I suppose I wonder if we are just a branch on some incomprehensible perhaps infinite or not tree of what (who knows). But indeed we are riding the waves if a cosmic super galactic cluster thread and that of larger threads. A swirling soup, crystallizing and condensing into lattices and forms endless.
Do tell me when "we"(which is imaginary) has an headache
Mainly in your head eh titch?
Definitely spot on the mark. Right in the bullseye of my thought provoking mindset. This question is beyond deep, but looking into it brings clarity into other aspects of life although this question "What is reality?" Can never be answered
Whose reality? Gosh you creatures are weird. no wonder you were put far away from normal beings.
When you figure out who made the moon then you not only understand reality, but everything.
@@mikeharper3784 when you use the word"reality" what exactly that convey to you and what you seek to convey when you use that word, or how doyou define what you call "reality"? Whose reality? If for example you experience any sort of pain, no doubt that pain is whatever you mean by "real" for you, but not for anyone else. That being the case, if you agree that that is indeed the case, would you about that particular reality if that pain is indeed whatever you mean by "real", makes it real? - Whatever you mean by real. when you do indeed experience pain, would you describe that as real or exact opposite of real, and what is the exact opposite of real? If you experience what are called "dreams" are they whatever you mean by "real- what exactly do you mean by "real"? Is whatever you mean by "real relative, or absolute - are there degrees of reality - whatever that might be. can whatever it is you mean by "real" be more or less whatever you mean by "real"? - What exactly do you mean by "real"? If when you look into it and try to examine what the word "real" conveys to you, is that a clear and well focused or definite idea or a vague unfocused generalised idea? What in particular is it about whatever you mean by "reality" that makes whatever it is real - is a quality or a quantity?
@@vhawk1951kl if you have a frightening dream when you are sleeping, that is so “realistic” that you perspire and toss and turn, and then quickly sit up in bed in a fright, only to realize after a few seconds as you regain consciousness, that it was all just a bad dream, and not “real”, but it seemed real enough to scare you into waking up - well that is what this life is. A dream. Or a dream inside a dream. But a better analogy would be to call it a movie. A really good 3-D hologram that is experienced from inside the human suit we put on to experience it, and the human brain is just a very complex biological computer that can receive sensory data from the hologram and send it to the brain for the mind to compute and imagine it and experience it all, through consciousness. The same way you appreciate a movie or a good ride at Disneyland. But we are here only for the experiences. And that is what we take with us when we leave or exit the ride we are on and in, just like if we saw a movie about a guy who found a hoard of gold and he is elated - the people watching the movie don’t take any of the golf when they leave the theater, but they do take with them the experience and enjoyment of the movie. And when you are sitting inside a dark theater watching a really great movie you aren’t sitting there thinking about yourself because you know who you are, you are concentrating on the movie and the characters and the plot and special effects and you buy into it for the excitement and thrill of it all, even though in the back of your mind, you agree with yourself to not believe for the hour and a half while you are enjoying the movie to forgot that the whole thing is just a movie made in Hollywood and that all the soldiers you saw die in a scene, in reality just get up and walk away for a costume change and some food or drink at the catering truck while the crew get ready to film the next scene. You, are Truman, from the movie of the same name. So am I. So are all of us. When your finger touches something, it’s not your finger that experiences the sensation of touch, but rather the sensory data your finger gathered and sent to your brain for your mind to interpret and your consciousness to experience. Time is the fourth dimension which works like a projector that can combine pictures at a certain speed and movement to make the pictures come to life, so to speak - in much the same a film of still pictures are moved through a camera at just the right speed to make a movie seem like it is really happening and that is why the speed of light is a constant because if it wasn’t, then the movie would inconsistent and annoying and not very entertaining. Perhaps you remember seeing an old Japanese movie that had English words dubbed in but the words don’t sync up with the movements of the mouths of the characters. And just like computers we use need electricity and time out from use for upgrades, uploads and downloads and cooling down to avoid burning out the circuitry as well as repairs from time to time to change a circuit board or some other part, our human biological computers and peripherals need the same care, which is what we call sleep. And that’s also why we have to eat and drink. But in the higher dimension where we “really” are and exist, they probably call it intermission or maybe recess, as this seems to be a lesson of sorts in addition to a great experience and adventure. And perhaps the best and greatest lesson we learn, the one that scientists and physicists can’t seem to find or explain or put into a mathematical equation is LOVE. To understand their frustration, try to write with clarity what the smell of a freshly squeezed lemon smells like so that the words are exactly comparative to the actual experience. Or any experience really. It can’t be done. Hearing about Disneyland will never be the same as going there to experience it all. And that is why we are here. To get the experience and feelings and enjoyment and memories. And just the self replicating feature of this movie is worth the price of admission but there is so much more. Think of learning to ride a bike, or your first kiss or fart or laugh or the taste of ice cream or pizza or of your first born child you got to hold in your arms. Inside this dimension of time the movies don’t last forever but thankfully neither does school. You will eventually graduate and get a chance to improve upon the experience of being a parent from the one you got from your parents but the love part will always be the same. You too will do your best, just as they did and you will make some mistakes, just as they did. But the love will still be the same. And in the higher dimension we come from, where time is not a constraint, we live on forever, eternally, where thank God, the love is still the same but it is eternal.
@@mikeharper3784 No idea, I have never had such a dream, what do you mean by "real"? Have you ever heard of paragraphs. Do you understand that when you use the word " we", that means the user of the term-that is*you* sunshine and his immediate interlocutor, and you have none so that just leaves you claiming to live for ever. On the basis of what evidence do you claim that you can" live forever". Why might anyone sane wish to live forever? What in blue blazes is whatever you mean by "god2? Is it anything like omblidook? what is " love"? You seem to dream rather a lot if those dreams lead you that I-don't-know -what. Why are you creatures so terified of the perpendicular pronoun *"I"* that you seek to hide behind some imaginary " we". From where did you get the "god" idea?Did you dream it up all by yourself or is it someone else's idea? omblidook is evident enough , but you may have no experience of omblidook
Knowing is the only reality far from ultimate. Just the simple knowing with which this simple written text is written, read and known.
It’s kind of like torture, listening to people dance around something and not know the answers to things that you understand 😥 Kind of a similar experience to listen to someone mess up a piece of music that you can play you just wanna go in there and fix it
I have watched a lot of these episodes, the one thing I know that actually exsists is tables, maybe chairs, but tables for sure
If a table had no legs and is mounted on the ceiling is it still a table?
The essence of the way things really are
What is reality ? That which cannot be illusion. It cannot be changed. It have to be always present, it has to be infinite and everywhere, it has to be in every entity . There is nothing apart from it or it is what only present .
I love this show, I find it to be entertaining and for those of us who may be nearer to the beginning of their search for an ultimate truth it helps by asking some good questions that are worthy of asking.
how can there possibly be an ultimate truth?
Permanent meaning from long dead things.....The stars that made us, the organisms that created oxygen that allowed most other life, the long dead hominids who teach the future of the past. These examples have great value long after they're gone and so did their lives. We would not be here without our ancestors including stars and bangs and bugs and animal poo.
Ultimate reality consists of both the physical and the metaphysical. There are numerous examples, in science, the concept of space and time is the most obvious, and fundamental. (What is time/what is space.) And of course as was alluded to in your opening, idealism is logically necessary to understand everything, including reality itself. And so the physical needs the metaphysical and vice versa to understand reality.
Ultimate reality keeps evolving -- there is no way to perceive it.
Time to accept Conciousness is the framework that reality is constructed on. Science can’t explain what is not explainable. The fact it does makes it wrong.
Calm down, Christoff lol. Got me anxious ova here 😂
Observerism ( science of the observer within Every self ) with it emotional link , is the new fundamental to be taken into consideration every time understanding the ultimate reality , start thinking beyond the block of observed memories you know about existence
Love the content
yes an amazing channel thanks a lot
Heaven, be still and in the presence of God (still small voice) is the absolute reality.
Thankyou.
Kristov is right. When he says “we don’t know” It’s like Kristov understands as being the human we start life with the disadvantage of knowledge and experience even though I did not hear him say that.
but does not say what he means by reality, which makes him a what?
@@vhawk1951kl For now, I don’t know what it makes him due to a fact of imperfect information. I will reserve judgment. I can understand that he is not pretending to understand what he doesn’t know. He is basing his knowledge on facts. We are, because of the current state of the universe, with all of its time and contents. Otherwise we could not be. That is the reality. It is wise to be humble and make true discoveries together.
Love Kristoff Koch's shirt
The ultimate reality is what appears after we reach Superior Consciousness.
Dr. Rober you don't need help!!! but people who has stopped asking the questions and put themselves in a group or category needs help. I was like that, but then I realized I was like a frog who was stuck in a bucket half filled with water and thought reality is that bucket and water. Only if you try to jump out you know the truth. For that first you need have the question what is outside the bucket, so you will try jumping harder and harder. Or you can stay in the bucket and die happily thinking you know it all because there are other frogs in the bucket who agrees with you. There is nothing wrong in staying in the bucket without hurting others, but the frog will never know it can live without water or the reality outside the bucket :)
Consciousness and the nature of ultimate reality was first discussed in the Vedas and Upanishads (believed to written around 3000 BC) the Hindu texts of ancient India...
Hinduism and other Eastern religions have had a more profound understanding of consciousness and the nature of human existence. Abrahamic faiths( Christianity, Islam, Judaism) have reduced (trivialized rather) the true nature of human existence to one God and one book.. That's why a lot of people in the West, is moving away from organized religion. On the other hand Eastern wisdom is based on insights that the ancient sages have obtained experiantially through meditative practices and by turning their focus inward into higher levels of consciousness. That is why their assertions like connected or cosmic consciousness which even scientists are beginning to take seriously these days (based on quantum mechanics based alternate theories on consciousness)...
I'd enjoy a conversation with David Benetar on the subject. Or Thomas Ligotti.
Reality is what it seems real to YOU, the perceiver.
We are *instances* of the Universal. Each person is such an instance, but most fundamentally, each choice is. (That fractal holographic thing again.) Ultimate Mind projects matter in a fractal/chaotic/holographic distribution that grows ever more complex as it propagates, ending up as quantum bits that flicker in and out of existence...and also do a certain amount of mutual annihilation as they go through each emergent phase change. The universe we perceive is the set of bits that are left over after a series of mutual annihilations, a tapestry of 1s and 0s. PROCESS is the only reality--the Universal Mind is thinking! Cogitating! Computing! And our each and every choice--a choice to hark back to Source to revitalize ourselves, or to get our self-identification further entangled in our arbitrary projections, is a full-throttle, no-holds-barred, expression of the Whole. YOU are truly All That! The Upanishads said so 2000+ years ago, but finally--mainly with information theory and system dynamics--we can map a You-Are-Here orientation to your exquisitely addressable (that's a computer thing) moment.
Mama V Science well said!
Very interesting
7 possibilities: the final being that the question is non-sensical. Stephen Law gave the best answer.
Consciousness arises from action on physical reality.
In the ultimate reality the systems (including man) are invariant under time translations (S(t) = S(t + ∆t)). There is no arrow of time because entropy does not increase (with possible small reversible increases). (Antoine Suárez, of the quantum philosophy department of Zurich University, demonstrate in a remarkable experiment that at sub-atomic levels, time does not exist. This as to do with what I was talking about).
Isnt it fun trying to figure it out? It's beyond a miracle any way you look at it.
Ultimate reality is infinite change.
Very nice
Another way to look for the truth is to reject falsehood. That is why Not to Do is the most powerful datum signal in time and vice versa.
I would love to see border of material world, last step before hard substance turn to energetic dust. Imagine breaking grain of sand at half until there are only bunch of molecules left. Strike this last material form with something and it will not brake to smaller pieces anymore but vanish into a cloud of energy. That the great mystery, how could that all be real and solid, but made from pure energy, but this essence of reality does explain why things hold charge and we can use energy to do some useful work for us. If world would be made from solid pieces, there would be no energy.
@@TheWorldTeacher Energy is described as difference in two or more potentials, this is why science think universe must have started as singularity and will rip apart into total tranquility some day. But is it true, is there really nothing rather than energy deep down, no external reality than pure chaos? We must be missing something here, universe is not a solid state dream, obviously or is it, considering light field we can observe coming to us trough a void is way larger, never changing and more real than what we think as right now and here.
To me the most interesting interview was Robert Kuhn's communication with Julian Baggini. Like Mr. Kuhn.. I trudge along. Will I fall from exhaustion or will ultimate reality find the fallen man in the shadow of the cross?
@zempath Thanks for the reply. I think there is a reason we have imagination.
There is consciousness and then there is Consciousness.
consciousness is the movement of the I, the me, the self, the observer, the experiencer, the interpreter, the controller, the chooser, the censor, the meditator, which is an illusion invented from the past conditioning of the brain. consciousness has many levels. Consciousness has no levels. consciousness is a chemical mechanical process of the brain. Consciousness IS NOT a chemical mechanical process of the brain. consciousness is a bundle of memory. Consciousness IS NOT a bundle of memory. consciousness originates in the brain. Consciousness DOES NOT originate in the brain. consciousness invents reality. Consciousness is the movement of Truth. Total Freedom from consciousness is the beginning of Consciousness. Consciousness is the movement of Inner Silent Space. When there is Consciousness, there is Perceiving without the lens of memories. It is Perceiving without the perceiver. This Consciousness is what we call Heart, Soul, Spirit. Then and only then is there Love, Peace, Joy, Goodness, Kindness, Compassion (Passion for All), Beauty, Creativity, Feeling, ExperiencING, Lucidity, Truth, and Wisdom. Then and only then is there Communication, Communion, Connection, Relationship with everyone and everything, for the very first time, in each and every moment of daily life.
Total Enlightenment is actually being Totally Free of fear, anxiety, suffering, confusion, alienation, addictions, envy, greed, jealousy, pride, anger, hatred, violence, bias, and prejudice in daily life, once and for all, now forever. Totally Free of beliefs, philosophies, ideologies, theories, opinions, perspectives, biases, prejudices, nationality, and identifications, which limit, color, shape & distort Perception, and therefore, prevent Lucidity. Totally Free of the I, the me, the self, the observer, the chooser, the experiencer, the interpreter, and the so-called True or Higher Self, which is the invention of the past conditioning of the brain, which acts like an inner tyrant who tells you what to think, how to feel, and what to do. They who are Totally Enlightened actually treat everyone, without exception, with the same intensity and quality of care and affection that they would give their dearest closest friend, lover, or child, without any sense of division, separation or distance in daily life, once and for all, now forever. Total Enlightenment is actually Living Love, Peace, Joy, Truth, Creativity, Compassion (Passion for All). Communicating, Communing, Connecting with everyone and everything, in each and every moment of daily life.
Enlightenment does not take time. It is not of time. It is not the result of time or the things of time. It is not the result of any method, ritual, or diet. It is not the result of any chemical. It is not the result of any process. There is no path to it. It happens effortlessly and choicelessly...faster than the speed of light. Moreover, it is once and for all, now and forever.
Consciousness is a gift from god.
There is a logical problem with infinite reducibility!! I think the problem lies in not really grasping what infinity is?? Infinite means without end or beginning!! And if reality has no bottom?? Then it has no ontological ground!! And that makes all reality non-existent!! Conditioned reality is a reality that owes its existence to some other conditions!! A knit sweater owes its existence to the person who knit it!! And ultimately to the thread used to knit it!! The thread in turn owes its existence to the molecules and atoms that comprise it!! So on and so forth until you get to the bottom rung on the ladder of being and causation, which cannot be a conditioned reality!! It cannot be a conditioned reality because that would lead to an infinite regress and that would negate the existence of the entire chain!! We need an unconditioned reality at the bottom!! That is a reality that does not owe its existence to anything other than itself!! A self-subsistent being!!
There would be no "bottom rung" to an infinitely reducible reality. Ideas like 'causality' and 'beginning' are relative concepts that exist only within the perspective dimension of time. As beings embedded in time it is hard to conceptualize, but outside time there would be no beginning nor end, only the eternal now. This infinite reducibility can exist within this eternal now either linearly or cyclically like an ouroboros. The structure of the self-subsisting being could themselves be an infinite regress in this realm, being created and whole simultaneously.
This channel is very interesting , discussing all " come to the point " of the issues .😋 Even me the only one can get access to the furthest place of the starting ponit of this universe I still wonder what is the ultimate reality ? Hear so strange to ear , even God doesn't know the ultimate reality , but I am always straight and honest to say what I know. I think if I am in my full spirit form I know much more than when I am in flesh body ( earthly form ) like this .Because when I am in human body most of my heavenly falcuty has been declined so as to adapt with life on the earth. So , what is the metaphysical aspest of me ? That is whenever I form my hands with fingers and palm into a particular gesture it will physically and metaphysically create a certain effect on the globe , even tơ the whole Solar system and the universe ! I have to perform a special type of spiritual practice daily and I have been practicing for. two decades , because this is the time of a great universal transition : the universe ends a great cycle of time and enter into another great cycle of time which lasts billions of earthly years . why is it hard to figure out how is , what is ultimate reality ? Because everthing including the universe itself is in the law of samsara and the law of evolution all. Nothing comes from nowhere , right ? This universe must have had a foundation from which it emerged out . The furthest point my conciousness can approach is the first moment of birth of this universe , I saw a thing called Taiji ( Tai Chi ) in Oriental ancient philosophical knowledge. That can be called the " singularity " in term of science. When I saw the scene of it to appear in my spiritual vision this singularity was floating in the middle of space , this suggests 3 ideas : space existed before , this universe had another bigger universe to contain it inside , this was rather a rebirth of it than the first birth of it. Almighty has his ( her) own parents ! But it is actually Almight to be the supreme master of this universe , everthing in it is connected directly to Him ( or Her )
The material world is a drama, ultimate reality is what makes the drama possible. The material world had a beginning, but where did it begun? Something can't begin to begun within itself because that would make it already existent. They say the BB was the beginning of time and space, but how does something expand into itself? Expansion requires space so the BB was expanding in ultimate reality.
Excellent. One thing I would really like the series to do is go much deeper into each viewpoint to the point of convincing or altering perspective/belief of the viewer, if only for a brief few seconds. As it stands I feel like a materialist, just looking at a menu of other possibilities without the understanding that comes from total immersion.
Thanks to this ‘feature’ of their strange psyche, one other peculiar and in the highest degree strange ‘psychicorganic need’ had been formed in them during the last twenty centuries. “The chief manifestation of just this psychic-organic need of theirs consists in this, that each of them must always of necessity as they say ‘teach others sense,’ or ‘put them on the right road.'
@@vhawk1951kl Okay, interesting. Other perspectives can certainly be useful!
For the world-inside observer, this world is Ultimate Reality. For universe-external observers, the entangled state of the stationary universe is Ultimate Reality.
When I had sleep apnea I dreamt that I was trapped inside the holadeck on the starship enterprise, in star trek next generation. Later in the dream when I finally escaped through the doors(blasted it),I looked back to see planet earth, and then I had an epiphany,I thought it's been fake the whole time #Reality #ParadigmLightMatrixShift (instantly woke up gasping for air)I was ecstatic that I had made this realization in a dream, and I still think about that experience everyday #SubConciousRelization #PinealEyeActivation #DiMethylTryptamine Are the alchemical,biological connection between God, soul,mind,and body #WithinUs
Reality is simple, in singular form, it becomes complex only in social form. Reality is only in true form when it’s a singular reality for the person experiencing it, based on their own personal life of experiences that is their truest form of reality, complicating that is finding a social norm form of reality, you could literally just do the math, but it will never be the true form, reality is only as far as a persons conscious and unconscious knowledge allows them, out side that would be alias to reality.
Thought I'd give it a go at providing an answer. Ultimate reality is RELATIVE! Simply put, if the single thing in the universe is energy and you start with energy, as a Singularity, then, relative to this energy, the question is: Is it possible for energy to become aware of itself? and, Is it possible for what we call a Universe, to be made physical out of this energy?
Gosh you know*Everything*Brian, teach us and lead us out of our darkness oh wise all-knowing one
I love science and my mind isn't as superstitious and delusive as the religions 'mind ! I always perceive and comprehend the mystical realm with scientific sense , you should know UFOs are my own force , their technical level is far ahead to the technical level of humans. Matter that builds up the physical world should come from the parental universe , but matter to create the spiritual forms of living forms is diferent. All living forms on the earth have their spiritual forms and physical forms joined together , when a living form dies it means the physical form to die only , the spiritual form ( the soul) will seperate from the body and move into another cosmic realm. Your individual souls are living as long as the universe , each living cycle of the universe lasts very long , it can't be measured in term of earthly years .
Things are real for as long as you ur alive 🙂
14:55 i love that he ended that conversation by calling him out about his green pants ... he couldn't say much after that
I will say this- I truly think reality has always existed.Long before the Universe in its present form began. Time also. So,if that's two that I can figure out...must be a hell of a lot more unknown layers of reality.
Wonderful !!. however please explore Adwaitha Vedanta.. an ancient Indian system
The purpose of life is to articulate truth. Meaning is place; you are *where* you are; anyone else in your place would be exactly you; i trust you like i trust my own soul.
Ok when we think about consciousness mostly we speculating about brains and complex life forms who have them. But in science we can't agree or every life form at least on earth have a consciousness, so bacteria, viruses and cells in the term of life are non concious so the question why? They are moving and acting like they at least hawe something similar like a brains they made desitions and do tasks so why we cant acept them like a consious , so if we acept them like a primitive concious parts then we could at least think abouth information = energy= consiousnes . But only isue is only complex life structures can become individuals only when they get more tools, organs to understand more then simple tasks and a bit space they are in. So we nead somehow understand how human who born without moste of his sences understands the space and time how his brain activity is adapting without understanding anything around and are we could call that concious life or not ? + Plants they are life form we are agre but are they hawe conscious ? so if we accept that then everything changes
everyone knows and hears all particles are waves, so what we need to do is finde all particles we can find and measure them like waves, and matematicly finde out what could by the smalest particle or wave and that particle would by primal particle (wave) in the universe. So Space, time, mass and energy are fundamental ones but who is the energy ? I fink energy is the information couse without information in the first place we do not get any furter constructions beside energy ifself. SO wave are particle and the smalest particle are pure primal energy = information. Now we hawe working model of science, primal wave of energy (information) ineracts with each other then waves colide and forms stronger and stronger waves in the proces forms new stronger waves until we get first well known particles in quantum phisics , then thous particles forms first chemical elements and thous forms all chemical elements we know today. So ewrything we know is Energy(information) space time and mass but now we hawe other question consciousness ? it is made in the proces or it is fundamental to ? if it is fundamental then information itself like energy are consciousnes . So why the Bit- single particle if it conscousnes forms complex particles and all the chemical structures and life ? I fink if the information energy and consciousness are primal fundamental ones thous interact with each other and the proces is natural to try create something, so the meaning is only material structures like life can collect information much faster and in more complex ways then in the primal energy state. So the meaning of our existent is learning and creating, learning and creating, learning and creating.
@@jykox Learning and creating is hearing and articulating truth; it is teacher *and* student *and* artisan, articulating truth.
There are no ultimate reality. Happy is the medium you're in and connected that dimension. Happiness is a wandering of all dimensions...
in real-world we are living in, no money to eat 100% will die!! this is what I understood about reality。
13:30 The neuroscientist speaks so fast that the interviewer is stunned!
So all the educated folk cannot agree - clearly it’s down to personal intuition!
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That is the price of Truth. Sounds right.
It's actually cool to know that everything is right here and "what's not here is nowhere" As said by lord Krishna
He said nothing of the sort, why lie?
The Absolute functions as a diversified unity that actualizes as a unified diversity or uni - verse. Reality is an energetic continuum, the poles of which are eternity and infinity, for only eternity can fully embrace infinity. Awareness functions consciously and unconsciously simultaneously. Awareness is a continuum, the poles of which are conscious and unconscious. Reality can only be conceptually understood employing both/and logic, not either/or. The ultimate purpose of life is to experience completion of joy in form, which is fulfillment.
Look at what may be possible foundationally: inorganic matter giving rise to a variety of living species and surprisingly consciousness. This phenomenon is unimaginable but it does happened. Inquiring ultimate reality dissolve consciousness and reasoning.
Humans are driven by survival and maybe the environment shapes our consciousness, and our unconscious, but we only have the capacity to keep the experience we have an association with our foremost knowledge, while having a deeper knowing of conscious that’s driven by our survival that’s formed by a feeling, not quite a full conscious knowledge but a feeling, because the experience to bring it forward isn’t quite there yet, but as we grow in experience those feeling (gut) come forward as a conscious knowledge.
Can't wait for Lawrence to smoke DMT and download the entire trans-dimensional hyperspace lexicon lol
Sceptics like him refrain from doing things like that.
Dances all around the simplest and most obvious answer - all is magnelectric. The aether has been proven and understanding magnetism is the primer to all understanding.
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Reality is moldable and it's appear different to different person , there is no ultimate reality you find out but the nature of reality is consciously limitless
This could be called: "THE JOURNEY OF THE EGO". How this man can seek the ultimate reality without the correct tools ? Human 5 senses won´t access it. How can one comprehend the ultimate reality, if he can´t even comprehend how a flower blossoms ?
I have six senses, don't you?
Those that abuse capital letters emphasise nothing but the hysteria of the abuser.
Ultimate reality is conscious experience with physical properties and nothing more 🧐
Reality is what it is
I have to say I like christoff. Also I think this has to be my favorite episode.
consciousness with instincts - it is a sore of experience
Thank- you for a fantastic. engaging video. Can watch your channel all night long and still have questions to look forward to. Best in internet!
Ok when we think about consciousness mostly we speculating about brains and complex life forms who have them. But in science we can't agree or every life form at least on earth have a consciousness, so bacteria, viruses and cells in the term of life are non concious so the question why? They are moving and acting like they at least hawe something similar like a brains they made desitions and do tasks so why we cant acept them like a consious , so if we acept them like a primitive concious parts then we could at least think abouth information = energy= consiousnes . But only isue is only complex life structures can become individuals only when they get more tools, organs to understand more then simple tasks and a bit space they are in. So we nead somehow understand how human who born without moste of his sences understands the space and time how his brain activity is adapting without understanding anything around and are we could call that concious life or not ? + Plants they are life form we are agre but are they hawe conscious ? so if we accept that then everything changes
you like pouring from the empty into the void do you? it's only another form of cinque contra uno.
Ultimate reality sounds like another word for Objective reality. I think consciousness may be collectively networked and that may be the simplest exsplaination. That there is really no such thing as individual consciousness.
His shirt is so cool and colorful. Where me get that shirt?
Your definition of artificiality comes across as a license to just skip out on life for a different imagined meaning. If you don't know, you don't know. But you do know, or you can know, as such is certainly within the breath of human knowledge, the value of a warm touch, or the sunlight filtering down through the trees to greet your eyes.
A felt explanation of ultimate reality is the optimum way connections of neurons in our heads can map onto our external world. A spoken explanation is a directional attempt to let others build with the same concept blocks (smallest neuronal patterns that can be consciously identified and communicated) for our way of thinking. The understood explanation by everyone I think is impossible to achieve fully. I would look to Yujin's irreducibility of concepts. It seems quite natural that the way we divide the universe in our heads, will not reach a fundamentalness consensus across all of our different minds. Precluding consensus limits collaborative work, so there is room for dismissing that explanation in a context, but it should come back as better tolerance and framing for disagreement.
Ok when we think about consciousness mostly we speculating about brains and complex life forms who have them. But in science we can't agree or every life form at least on earth have a consciousness, so bacteria, viruses and cells in the term of life are non concious so the question why? They are moving and acting like they at least hawe something similar like a brains they made desitions and do tasks so why we cant acept them like a consious , so if we acept them like a primitive concious parts then we could at least think abouth information = energy= consiousnes . But only isue is only complex life structures can become individuals only when they get more tools, organs to understand more then simple tasks and a bit space they are in. So we nead somehow understand how human who born without moste of his sences understands the space and time how his brain activity is adapting without understanding anything around and are we could call that concious life or not ? + Plants they are life form we are agre but are they hawe conscious ? so if we accept that then everything changes
@@jykox Consciousness is made of self-propagating patterns, so in that way, we can call a lot in the world proto-consciousness. However, there are many self-propagating patterns in the world, and they are far removed from human consciousness. We have an overabundance of choice, by which to explain ourselves, which to me doesn't narrow down consciousness understanding. (That taking of patterns in how understanding already works) A human without any senses but a notion of space and time would be human conscious. If we can explain that experience fully, a lot can be derived. We can use words for whatever definition we like, but if we make a term encompass too much variation, we will struggle to find satisfactory answers about its nature. I personally am interested in what processes go into making a human aware within any given moment, which I think is a more accessible question, to make progress on.
@@TimeGhost7 Ok now i hawe other question u using word patern and i hawe other word evoliution . U know humans are from primats and primats are from more simplier life speachies so u saying human conciousnes like it is closed speaces but it isint closed so consiousnes exist in many stages in evoliution and that consious self fealing could by came with the first life forms . SO in other words that isint somme patern and we are nothing special then beter equiped life forms on higher level but that isint the last one , so my idea is consiousnes and self fealing evoliution, same like life forms evoliutions and that starts from simplier forms
@@jykox Yes. Human's ability to empathize with animals roughly correlates with the similar patterns we find in our own consciousness to theirs. For the purposes of empathy, I would have a deep moral concern if anyone limited consciousness to humans. We are not a closed species, and I hope I didn't suggest that. I would however say that a single-celled organism is not conscious. Such proposed consciousness is more trial and error processing where death isn't the looming shadow we take it as. I don't feel empathy is needed here, so I don't see us ascribing consciousness as required. I chose to fixate on the term "human consciousness" as an intellectual pursuit because I don't think answerable questions can be formulated about an experience too distant from our own consciousness. In our examination of animal consciousness, we are inevitably suggesting how an animal thinks like a human, or we wouldn't be able to say it. That's fine to do, as a lot can be learned about ourselves by understanding animals, but we should realise we are doing it. When ascribing consciousness to the levels further down such as viruses, I question how relevant the consciousness concept is. I see viruses more clearly as a mechanical system and relating a mechanical system to consciousness, doesn't work well. In between, consciousness can get a murky definition for me. For example, I sometimes like to think of plants as having an odd sort of consciousness and sometimes don't, depending on if I care for them. But in an intellectual discussion about consciousness, I would choose that they don't.
@@TimeGhost7 LOL soryy for my reaction but do not think to good abouth humans like they hawe consiousnes and other life form do not hawe , gosh it is a bit stupid idea, so if u saying viruses are mechanical and programed tools but u must understand if u saying they are some kind of mechanical then we are made from all thous mechanical parts and when u create robot from diferente parts that wont become concious and yours idea is denying consiousnes at all couse in your idea only for humans can hawe it and smarter life forms, but u must understand consiousnes isint for hymans consiousnes are for all life forms no mather what they are. Life = consiousnes . And only now we are the smartest ones on earht but that isint mean we are only ones with conciousnes . Life evolution = consiousnes evoliution.
Information becomes knowledge by understanding. Acquiring understanding is a transcendent experience. *Thee* transcendent experience?