The Geriatric Ravers Still Smashing Drugs: Gravers | High Society
It’s commonly accepted that your 20s is the time to get completely off your nut before calming down and respecting yourself. But increasingly, it seems that British people have a different idea.
More than 3.7 million over-45s go raving once a week in the UK, and there has been a 518 per cent increase in over-60s being treated for cocaine abuse over the last decade.
These older ravers face worrying health risks that younger ravers don’t - the drugs are stronger, and their hearts aren’t. Will physiology prove to be the ultimate party pooper, or have these pioneers unlocked the key to eternal youth?
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The War on Drugs has been won by drugs. They’re everywhere. Many of them are new, and they’re all more potent. Society is altering chemicals, and chemicals are altering society back, creating new drug scenes - some funny, some bizarre, some terrifying.
Drugs on TV usually mean criminals getting busted or addicts in recovery. But this series is about the cultures and people that have grown around the substances.
High Society will show you how drugs are shaping our world.
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01:58 “Rave to the Bloody Grave”
06:16 On the Sesh Since 11 Years Old
11:40 An Icon of the Party Scene
16:11 This is Your Sesh Life
20:56 When Does the Rave End?
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this was a fun and informative watch, but y'all missed two devastatingly unhealthy drugs on the tables-- tobacco and alcohol
i watch this over week its a grate watch and the quees pretty hot
Tir Dhondy is beautiful 😍
The title sounds like an ominous peom
Funny I've had that years ago I forget why it's considered so good .THE FISHSCALE OH THAT MAKES Y STOMACH CRAMP AFTER 20 YRS
As an autistic, I went to an outdoor festival and took E. It was mind blowing - I saw, in slow motion, how people interact, communicate with body language, all the social clues were so obvious. I was able to look into people's eyes for the first time! I will never forget that experience
So cool to hear your experience 👌😃
Same. Though my Autism was undiagnosed then (42 now), rolling was the only time I felt "normal"; having the confidence and wherewithal to socialize in any setting with (almost) anyone while exercising full control over my body: facial expressions, gait; hell even my dancing wasn't half-bad sometimes. It was empowering! Unfortunately, the experience being irresistible and the appetite for more 'normality' insatiable, it became a habit indulged in too frequently, and there's a price to pay for saturating your brain with serotonin on a regular basis. Plus, the tabs themselves were becoming adulterated post-2002-ish and I ended up poisoning myself. I no longer possess my once impressive faculty for math, and now speak haltingly when searching for words which once came so quickly and naturally to weave eloquent, if aspberger's-shaded diction. But hey, I got a precious daughter out of the bargain. I wouldn't have met her mom had I not been partying. Don't damage that beautiful brain of yours!
High addiction rates in people with undiagnosed autism and adhd . I've struggled my whole life because of exactly this . Hope your all good buddy
That could be a fascinating research study
@@stephenjemyers I was unaware of that fact, but it makes perfect sense. Self-medication for a maddening, mystery affliction none would identify for me - much less explain to me. You understand. I appreciate the well wishes and sentiment, and hope you're doing alright yourself, man. Taking it one day at a time here.
‘You can always take more.. but you can never take less’ ‘Don’t be daft, start with a half’ Words to live by in this scene. Literally.
That black girl is having fun 0:14
If its magic mushrooms it's the opposite. The key is eating the right amount at once. Eating half a dose now and half a dose later is just the same as eating half a dose
then there was me QUAD DROP
@@irieite9666 I find the same thing with LSD just take the full tab dont take half wait 2 hours than take the other its just gonna extend your half trip
at this age you go better by: be smarter, take a quarter
I was Daves neighbour, he died in December. he was a lovely bloke had his issues but was a good hearted guy that would go right out of his way for you if he liked you, half of the stuff said in this doc was exaggerated. RIP mate
Ahhh that’s sad Rest in peace dave
Legend
RIP, did you know how he passed, did the drugs get him in the end?
@@jo18533he said he had throat cancer
@@jo18533 no poor guy got cancer, had a very brave battle but lost unfortunately
I raved for 10 years, stopped in my mid 30s. I have zero regrets, they were by far the best years of my life. I saw life from a different angle, where there was no stress or care in the world. Now I'm stuck in a dead end marriage with a narcassistic train wreck of a woman who makes my life a misery...if only I could turn back the clock.
Dam bro I'll learn from this
It’s never too late to do changes. I suggest you to see yourself from the perspective you would see you when you were young. What would your young self suggest you to do in that situation? We are always saying “oh if I could go back and talk to myself …” but what if your younger self could advise you instead? I wish you the best 😊
Never to late to make changes
Anything is possible. Go chase it
If its scary do it! Change is scary!
I've been a drug addict my whole life, started sniffing airplane model glue in 1968, I was 8, followed by weed, of coarse alcohol, hash, acid, mescaline, shrooms, speed, cocaine, heroin, in about that order. It's the heroin that takes the most from you, I was a hard worker, a functioning addict, but again the heroin made it near impossible to keep steady control, it just consumes you, every thought is next hit, I'm 62 now, have no idea how I've survived the countless od's, on a suboxone program, it's saved me, although I still freebase cocaine, it's crack with the baking soda cooked out, brings cocaine back to it paste form basically, pure. Drugs have taken all from me, family, I'm completely isolated, I don't feel sorry for myself but I love my family and their not around. I never talk about this, I'm sorry to bore you if you've read this but I actually feels kinda freeing to print out my story. Good luck 🙏
Well done for admitting the truth, all the best to you buddy, you seem to be alive now and you've begun to respect your health to some extent, maybe you have a chance to make connections with other people one day soon, even if your family aren't around
Hey thanks for sharing. Sometimes it’s just a matter of reaching out and grabbing lunch more often. Wish you well sir 🙏
god bless
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. ❤ john 3:16
Hope you get help buddy. We all have our demons we try to work through and we’re only as good as our current moment. Praying for you
Gary seems like the sound mate who likes to have fun but also wants to make sure that everyone stays having fun and doesnt take it too far
More is better. Always.
Gary is straight up my uncle
Its call 'responsible drugs use' my dude :)
@@melaniecotterell8263 Wonder how your life is going lol
@@melaniecotterell8263 ur that dude at a rave who you can't even talk to cuz you're so off your head on e
I wish more Vice bits were like this; just deliver the unvarnished subject, as objectively as possible. Well done, this.
Gary’s the kind of guy if you were having an emotional one at a party he would halt his own fun to talk you back to smiling again. Or at the very least listen to you and offering sound advice. Best wishes for him x
I've needed folks like that on a couple of acid trips. I would just think of my friend Rob that was shot and killed and just kept crying it was odd, felt better afterwards though
He certainly is Danny, known him for 25 years, that's why they call him Papa Hard-core 😁 He us some buzz and the stories lol
Yes, agree! Over my raving years, I've met a number of Garys, especially on the gay scene. They're the characters who make the rave community so magic.
Yep. I’m a bit of a mom within our little Jamband scene. Everyone knows that I will always have an antacid, aspirin, ibuprofen, hand sanitizer, Kleenex Etc. I’m packin’ & I don’t bogart! 🤣
Nah, he'd just give you another line.
This girl is emotionally intelligent and was the perfect girl to do this report. Not patronizing or treating them like freaks and honest about her own experiences and concerns. I thought for sure after he said throat cancer he was going to get told off for smoking as it the typical crap that people spout (as if the person hasnt already heard about the link) but I was pleasantly surprised when she didnt do that, and treated him like an adult instead, who is making his own decisions.
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Right?? A true journalist. No matter how painful it might feel they must remember it's not their place to alter the environment or subjects they are reporting on
Very weird to glorify throat cancer and continued abuse like this
As someone who partied for a living for many years, it’s fun until it’s not and then it’s fun again. There’s just an emptiness that comes with it in the early hours of the morning when the birds are chirping and the Sunday joggers have come out, that can’t be explained to anybody who hasn’t experienced it.
Ive been so many british festivals and met loads of heads like this. Absolute salt of the earth. Im 30 now and have effectively retired apart from the occasional rave every few years, but i have so many amazing life changing memories. some things are better to quit while youre ahead ❤
“Dave lives in a nice house, in a quaint neighborhood and has been partying and using hard drugs for over 50 years. He must be a functioning and responsible drug addict…” (Camera spans to axe lodged in tv)
I thought I saw that! Then thought I was crazy and it must be a reflection 😆
@@missb9279 And the journalist also points it out and mentions it explicitly, so that's helpful.
I bet that house belonged to his parents.
@@sidneyboo9704 i bet your house belonged to someones parents
@@MrJkeegan until she bought it? Lol ya prolly 🤷🏼♂️🤨😂 I think she’s referring to his home being a paid for gift instead of him purchasing it lol
I was a major DJ in Philly for over 20 years. I used to play at the huge clubs on Delaware Ave. At 40 on my birthday after going through an 8-ball, and watching my friends drop like flies I knew it was time to stop. Over 70% of my friends as well as my younger sister are now dead. A good friend of mine just died last week. Dont kid yourself. A functional drug user is still a drug user. All it takes is the wrong mix of coke and Fentanyl and youre done. Im turning 60 next month. Im happy and sad as I survived but most of my friends didnt.
Be happy my bro! Everyone has there time eh. At least it wasn't war and violence that took ya friends.
Fentanyl is an American issue
@@smellex1231 Was it not, though? 🤔
Die Alone.
I live out west now but shout out to that area. Even the palace skate ring. Wow
I love this woman - she's so professional and genuinely curious and respectful. Love to see it.
"Were the drugs a part of the biker life?" "no, boarding school." way too accurate for most people XD
"You're never too old to rave" words of wisdom!
I'm 60. I still party like it's 1979. Just not every day like I used to. I think what people fail to understand is that you are who you are. Just because you're wearing an old man suit of skin doesn't really change much. We still dig the same stuff we did when we were teenagers.
Well said
True our bodies might age but we always stay young in the mindset!😜✌
Ok grandpa
F that I'm 71 out party all them dopers
Right on brother! 🤟
"Every leaf on every tree has a meaning." -"Maybe the mdma has kicked in." Classic...
Rolling 💯 10 deep????
OMG I just turned 60 and have no children and I still LOVE psychedelics and ecstasy and club music! These are my people!!!!
This seriously gives me hope for the future. Good for them. Live life the way you want to.
Watching Dave gave me a bit of an anxious feeling. The bloke isn't a raver, he's a drug addict who uses to numb a lot of pain. I think he hides behind the jack the lad persona.. of course I could be completely wrong and I hope I am but something seems very off with him.
Totally agree. I saw this for the first time a couple of days ago and have watched it several times now. Dave is the person who affected me the most and I’ve thought about him a lot seen I first saw it. I thought I’d find it entertaining, seeing a fucked up old guy - which sounds bad in itself - but I just saw a lonely old guy that’s self-medicating to an extreme degree to numb some serious mental health issues. I know I sound OTT but, yeah, it got to me.
He is tweaking hard during this interview.. he denies it but it’s a fact
@@jerrywbrice he didn't want her to leave sad
A lot of ravers, festival goers, hippies, whatever labels people wanna give are also that. I have known thousands of people that find any excuse to go to any event in order to feel less guilty about their drug use. Myself included.
@@ryspace Have you graduated to needle yet,?
This lady is a fabulous interviewer. She’s a natural empath. So engaging and aware.
Ecstasy will do that. Trust this. You'll never meet a more sincere and connected interviewer than someone...anyone, whose molly just dropped. Also it will change your psychology to that effect for years after several uses.
She is a headcase judging people more than twice her age.
Everyone aside from sociopaths are empathetic
She’s obviously not shy to partying. When you’ve been around drugs and party’s you’ve seen the best and worst of people, nothing is suprising after that. You allow yourself to hear people’s story’s not just the cover.
My heart hurts watching them. I can feel the palpitations they are ignoring.
Yes! I would be worried af. Im 38 and i quit as i worry about hart helth.
@@user-hf8dc8xy1oI'd worry more about not being able to spell...
@@user-hf8dc8xy1oI’m 37. I’m a professional athlete. In good shape. But I do coke like once a week. And about 3 weeks ago. I could feel my chest tightening slightly a few times. I’m not gonna do it for a while now.
If you are 60/70/80 and going to Raves, taking drugs and enjoying life, who’s to say that the “dangers” even matter, at that point in life one has lived a full lifetime and if they perish doing something they love then is it even wrong? I say regardless of the negative impacts that these ppl are very aware of, they are happy, they are living exciting lives instead of just getting old and dying from old age! I support this 💯, especially bc I myself am a lifetime raver, I started in 1995, almost 30yrs ago! I love this!
I'm 72 and fully agree with what you say.
I hope Dave’s ok he seems like a genuine guy.
He never was ok. But yes he is genuine.
Dave is like a british Hunter S. Thompson
@@nataliezementbeisser1492 Within about 10s of his appearance, I knew I'd met at least 10 people that are so similar to him they'd get on like a house on fire
He's fu@king dehydrated is what he is !! Old skool Bristol legend :-)
Who's Dave !?
Garry truly is a rave scene legend, the guy is so down to earth and its a pleasure to now call him a good pal ... see you soon at Reunion Gaz ✌
what a sk !! (dw its a compliment :))
Lmao okay weirdo
@@nachospopthe3rd564 aye very good🙄
So you plan to waste your life just for pleasure?
@@JosephStalin-yk2hd let people enjoy things. It's their life.
as a young men (22) I’ve met a lot old raver’s who were safely doing drugs, i always found them kind & inspirational
This journalist is good. She goes in open minded and doesn’t judge the people she is interviewing like some of vice other hosts
I was thinking the same thing. I like her accent. I'd love to meet her. She's my kind of lady for sure. easy going non judgmental. Kool chick. Hard to find Josh.
Moderation is key! Gary has the right idea and saw he was drinking water through the day/night so a plus. Raving at that age looks like great opportunity for exercise for physical health and the social interactions at these events must be great for mental health as well. From what I see, keep on keeping on Gary!
Dancing is exercise and keeps you young. Also movement is treatment for arthritis. I wouldn’t continue using drugs though…at some point you just become good at it, and no longer need “performance enhancers”…
Literally the only healthy thing is moving around. These dudes are doing drugs, and staying up all night. How is that the right idea? All I can say is that if he's truly happy, then so be it, but if he actually wants to keep living he needs to at least subtract the drugs from the raving.
You literally have no clue what being healthy is do you? Jesus.
Maybe if he's sober. He just said his friend just died from raving so.....
Exactly
This is one of the problems with our ageist culture these days. It’s looked down on and like they’re tragic/pathetic to still do what they like(going to raves). In my eyes these older people are the real ones; they aren’t just doing it because they’re 22 and it’s the cool thing to do but because they’re truly into it.
I‘m not sure. I get your point but Dave does seem like a tragic person, an authentically tragic person though, a "real one"
well doing party drugs isn't really good for your heart and brain, sure your body can take it at 20, but at 40+ your doing serious damage to yourself
I think it's more about taking care of your health, like not eating meth.
The face says it all. For most of these people they lose the ability to feel good with a cup of coffee , A good movie , A romantic dinner , At the end of the day the brain and body is unable to settle for simple pleasures, Get it together there might be not much time left.
@@sharm999 people don't have to like the stuff you like. I never have found joy in a cup of coffee. 🤷
i go raving every weekend and its always so beautiful!!
Great presenter. She handles this just the right way. Good doc
"When Gary's at the rave you things are alright. " We could use more folks like him around.
Yup got me wanting to go now 🤣
Hit me up😆 bring me some extras though. 44yrs strong
@@chrisw5150 I’m with you let’s go bro
That black girl is having fun 0:14
@@reggaefan2700 lmaoooo
I'm an ex-full-time partyer, been and done it all a thousand times over, now I'm an addictions counsellor. I'm not against drugs or drug taking, it'd be very hypocritical if I was. The important questions to answer for me is this: What are the most important things in your life? How are those things affected by your use? If the answer is that the important things (relationships, job, kids, health, mental health etc) are being negatively affected then it's time to reevaluate. I can assure you that just because you stop using doesn't mean you stop living. I'm happier now than I ever was when I was using, and it's real.
You can have both, but hardly together, just sometimes these two worlds match at the same time.
That black girl is having fun 0:14
counsellor the worst
@@reggaefan2700 how many times are you going post this comment? Geez
@@MM-lo8dn Which one?
Aww this girl is adorable. She's just so chill and comfortable talking. I think she's the real Rockstar in this. When I drink or do stuff I feel like it's to try to be this comfortable in my own skin.
This gives me hope. I'm 27 and depression has caused me to miss out so much on life. I hope someday I can rave in my 30s, 40s, and 50s and have a good time, even if I break my hip doing so.
Bro I literally started being a raver when I was around that age. You got time. As long as you're cool and understand the culture people will be cool to you. The only time I saw someone who was older who was shunned was this dude who was obviously there just to pick up girls and didn't know anything about rave scene culture. Stuck out like a sore thumb. Start with the artists you really really love and go to those shows and make friends from there. It'll be easier that way because you'll have a good reason to be there: You're going to see one of your favorite artists. 🤷 Also festival culture is great immersion too. So yeah, go for the music and everything else will kinda fall into place. If LOVE EDM I think you'll find a group of people as excited about it as you are. Everything else with like drug culture is just a side show to the main event.
Hey bud I was there as well. What I can tell you that helped to me was positive affirmations to myself in the mirror and you HAVE TO ACTUALLY BELIEVE IT. Do this time and time again my friend until you feel it. This also helped my internal thoughts. Peter life is for our experience, love yourself and try and find what you enjoy.
I go to raves a lot and I can tell you the amount of 30 y.os that are still partying is huge, so you still have time.
Former junkie checking in. My late teens were spent on lsd and molly then when I was 23 I got into dope and crack stayed on that train till about 29 when I got off methadone. Immediately went back to molly, acid, ketamine, nitrous, weed... still going at 35 and my life is infinitely better now than then. In all aspects. My health is better my social circles are not all about drugs, though we do them, and I have all the trappings of an adult existence but still feel like im young. You can do it if you want.
Look into microdosing psilocybin ( mushrooms) if your depression is really bad.
After decades of recreational and psychedelic drug use there is one thing old dude is forgetting; you have to feed the body nutrients and vitamins with proper rest intervals to feel the drugs. Otherwise you're just chasing the day-glow DRAGON.
True that
Very true
Perhaps that's why 65 is not only his age, it's his current weight.
☝🏼True here- age is import but physical mental spiritual health goes a long way to enjoying life post 50. I'm 56, in amazing health and my life pretty much rules. After decades of chemical abuse, I'm feeling pretty much right on...
Yeah I don't think it really matters if you're a serious drug user; you can eat healthy all you want but if you're taking heroin all day long it's not going to matter much.
Thanks. Helpful, entertaining - subscribed!
best vice doc ive seen in a while!!!!!
"There's an axe in the TV" "It was too loud, I wanted it quieter" 😂😂😂
That made me laugh hella lmfao
dave is a tragic character but you can tell he is a good guy who has had a hard time. drugs become a way of coping for many. me included.
Spelled "badass" wrong . Tragically hip maybe 😎
And that approach never ends well
@@KatJ3st beats being a sober pain in the arse 🤣
@@longdong3889 this
@@longdong3889 i didnt mean tragic as to be offensive, it was more from an angle of pity
"Abstinence is not the answer. Education and moderation are the must." Perry Farrel
ive got adhd and md is probably the best at every rave. have had an intense trip at the club tho on e but, thats the only one i will do raving and its alwayss so beautiful because molly jus is always loving and i meet new people and learn so many things from that.
I’m 50 this year. I can still drop a good 3 deck mix. And even tho I’m arthritic I can still cut a back to back windmill. But sometimes I do get emotional when listening to the old school vibes I do miss the chaos and laughter. One love to all be kind to each other.👏👏👏🇬🇧
❤
"Dave needs a joint, so we're heading outside". Dave the fucking legend.
I feel a bit sorry for him
@@getthepicture1000 same.. Not allowing himself to feel anything, at all..
@@InnerPeaceBeauty fried from using way too much mdma way too often. aka your average british drug user lol
@@InnerPeaceBeauty I too feel sorry for the guy, the contrast between Gary and Dave was massive. Gary was together and moderated "you can always add on you can't take off" I could have done with him in my day. He was happy, healthy, chatty and social. Dave struck a very isolated figure, you can't say he looked healthy all he was doing was consuming I question if he could stop without help. Even when they went out it looked so depressing and isolated he couldn't make eye contact with her as she interviewed him, just staring straight ahead. When she began to ask about potential trauma he began to rub his left hand and move it about. I know those movements from my own experiences, he looked like he was having a freak out and was feeling it in his left arm, which could mean he was feeling like he was having heart problems. Of course I could be projecting but it brought me back to my last days i felt that panic again and my heart went out to him in that clip. I worry for him, a lot. I've been to Bristol a lot, its an amazing city but I'm glad I never lived there. I'd have definetly lost myself there.
The rave scene in the US is a lot more niche than in the UK, but I’ve seen one of these guys. He’s always having a blast in the pit. All power to him, I’d say. We all gotta go down someday, might as well go down swinging.
As a raver from NYC in the 90s can fully confirm. My love for Drum and Bass at 45 still has me going out a handful of times. And If DnB was more popular in the states would probably be going out every week. Lmao
I remember taking a 4 year tolerance break off of all substances that I took on regular basis and it was one of the best things I ever did, now I always moderate and test all my drugs, I will never bender again.
Yes. Testing is so important now. I got some MDMA that had synthetic fentanyl cut into it. If I had taken it, I may be dead. My friend too.
@@tibicenlinnei4014 I have reagent kits but how did you know about the fentanyl, what did you use to test it
Absolutely under control I love that
@@Kaiyats you can buy test strips specifically for testing for fentanyl. Its being cut into allsorts these days sadly so itd be worth getting some, i bet mac miller wishes hed used one!
@@tibicenlinnei4014 fent is the worst drug ever. Kills you easy, waaaay more potent then heroin with less euphoria, shorter acting time and more death. Stupid drug!
I'm 28 and my parents are 63 and 56, I can't keep up with them. Dad DJs at clubs and underground raves every weekend, Mum is there as his No.1 groupie. Most awesome parents ever!
*most absent parents ever
@@janu4rymusic He's 28. Not 12.
Are your elderly parents doing drugs?
@@larryc1616 He didn't say they were doing drugs. If you count alcohol as a drug, the answer is yes.
@@vinstinct that's why I'm asking him because I don't know and he didn't say. But how would you know?🤔
I used to see Tommy a lot at my old job I used to work at a hotel his best mate owned it and we had a party every new years and he would always come he’s funny as hell and a brilliant person this was 5/6 years ago
As a med student rotating, you can have heart problems pushing 70 without having ever touched drugs. Its called getting old, youre going to get there having a life or not. That being said drug habits are always bad, and it may decide if your problems are managable or severe
"a little dab o' speed" can not get the image of Spud getting ready for his job interview, out of my head. Great vid cheers.
MAN ALIVE this vid keeps on giving "does it worry you seeing that amount of cocain on the table?".... it should.
choose life 😊
Speed goes a long way mending a truly broken heart...
41, professional dj, and still party every weekend. Be safe and moderate what you put in your body. Only you are responsible for yourself. There’s no age restriction when it comes to having fun.
46, Been raving since the 90s still hit a 2-3 events every summer. Much more moderate these days, but.............. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
41 ain't old
I'm curious what your opinion would be on a song called "Anax" it's an edm song but it slowly ramps up the beats until it's pretty sick in my opinion. Always made me go crazy but I'm sure you'd say it's garbage. These dudes are into a totally different kind of music lol
No age restriction to having? Might wanna edit that
Man how cool would a British friend be
As an ex-raver myself, 10+ years of raves and parties, having met young and old partiers, l say it's important to know when to hang it up, try out new things. Get into different social circles. Raves can be a huge rush, but it's easy to lose yourself in it. Of course, figuring out for yourself when is the proper amount of time will vary from person to person. Just remember though, whatever time you spent in it you won't get back.
Vice always delivers. The host is an intelligent and warm personality and beautiful too ❤
I love these kinds of documentaries. I think the real problem is not that they are still at the party’s but that people think going out and having fun isn’t something you should do when you are older and people expect you to act more „responsible“. I think there is nothing irresponsible in partying and having fun, especially if you do it like Gary with lots of experience and caution.
It quite the opposite people think going out doing drugs and drinks is the definition of fun
Dude theres not a lot of old drug users for a reason...
Thank you! Why is this even a topic!? Life doesn't stop until your dead! The obsession with age and growing old...is absolutely absurd, considering its a part of LIFE
@@thelovelylucinda most people who don't live responsibly also have extremely miserable lives. And as someone who's brother tried coping with life by doing drugs that killed him before he turned 18, I think these people are idiots because drugs are one of the dumbest and most easily avoided ways of dying. You can have fun without destroying yourself
@@tylerandleahcanadian3888 Britain is full of them u crank
You've interviewed an older raver of a similar age and mindset to myself who still likes to party and take a few drugs now and then, alongside two chronic drug addicts. The first is one of many people of my generation who still like to party from time to time. The second and third are part of a dying (literally) tradition of chronic drug abuse and most of us older ravers would see them as having little in common with us beyond being a scary example of what we could have become had we not taken a step back at some point in our lives.
That is very well said
Fr. Im sitting here anxious from my 1/3rd addedall prescription. Forgot i used to live this rave life from 15 - 19 years old lmao. And im only 25. Old dudes rolling off a half gram and blow… nah i aint worried about my measly baby prescription anymore 💀
ravers are pathetic no matter the age or circumstance.
@@oldemonteef hahaaa, ain’t you all high and mighty…
@Juana Basurto lol im sure this dude whos raved a ton has tried shrooms man. who hasnt really. enjoy the start to your journey.
Closer to 60 than 20 and still setting up lights, party favors and set & settings for new generations. "Some of us signed on for the whole trip."
"There's an axe in the TV!" "It was too loud. I wanted it quieter." 🤣🤣🤣🤣💀💀💀💀💀
Everything in moderation.. I'm now 43 and still goin strong and healthy.. I'm off to ibiza next week oi oi rave till the grave ❤️
Damn I want to go to Ibiza .. enjoy my friend
@@dynochronlock I will brother I'll drop for all 😁🙈
Have fun!
I went last month. I'm 48 and still miss space.
Drop one for me mate (48 yo who misses the best times)!! Have an absolute sesh 😍😍🤩🤩😛😛
Damn. "Maybe your a bit sad?" "I have no idea, i wouln't allow myself to think it." That hit home. That was kinda me 2-3 years ago, just numbing everything away but goddamn does life get boring if u do this. Glad I got away from that mindset and sad that Dave (and for sure many other people) have lived their whole life like that.
There's always something to be sad about. If you're just gonna be sad unless things are perfect, you'll always be sad.
Everyone talks the talk when they are younger, you think you want to do it forever but it does get boring for most people eventually. You get to a point where you just can't be bothered feeling like shite or missing entire weekends, gear eventually just does your head in, relationships fall apart, large groups of mates become small splintered groups who can't hang around together and honestly sometimes I think you just want to do something else in life. As the saying goes, what goes up, must come down.
I'll be 43 in 2 weeks, I'm raving and partying since I was 12 and still haven't stopped. I'm. Not being big headed, but I guarantee I'd out drink, out smoke etc any1 in their 20s, and I'd dance /stay up a lot longer too. Even when I'm just chillaxing on a weekday I only get around 4 hours sleep each night and I'd say that's just because by that stage I'm after smoking around 10 blunts, so to even still be awake at my age after 5 blunts is a miracle. When it comes, to me, "rave to grave" is an understatement as even in the grave I'll still be raving.
Dave is every old drug addict/alcoholic in every neighborhood bar, probably depressed, lonely, and keeping his demons at bay by never being straight. I've been there, done that, and I'm glad I don't have to live like that anymore. But you have to have something left to live for, and most of these people have no lives to speak of other than their party friends, who really aren't their friends. Sad as hell really.
yeah that seemed pretty apparent, he doesn't exactly have peers his own age just the young people partying
This situation is the same across all elements of society. Drugs don’t necessarily have to be a part of it. Suicides in Japan are very high for this reason. I know the way I would prefer to go out. Loneliness is endemic!
Totally pathetic. Grow up & act your age. Like a big high kid. Using drugs to hide from life, telling others to use in moderation? Gross & dangerous. Prob go after 20 yr olds too😐
What are doing men of his age ? Looking at tv all day, fishing ? I don't know, it must be very boring...
@@grifyn882hey I’m 28 and love fishing, it’s a thing where if you don’t catch any fish at least you had a good time with nature
32 years raving, 49 now and called it quits. Never went too hard but probably harder than many, always the last one out of the club, then the after parties. Now I keep really fit with walks, biking and reasonably healthy food. I only vape, even stopped alcohol. There’s a time to kick it and never look back. It had its place but you gotta move on.
Nice!
wise words
The presenter did an excellent job with this. I hope she gets more opportunities to show off her interview skills.
Vice doesn’t do docs like this anymore
This was truly fascinating
This is the content I come to KZhead for. Fantastic.
Get a life !
I used to do drugs all day and all night for years. It sucked stopping and I went through a 2 to 3 year long depression after I stopped but I can honestly say things have gotten much better since then. I am actually very proud that I can now go to parties and shows without feeling pressured to do drugs in the slightest though I'd be lying if I said I never felt at all tempted but with time it has only gotten easier and easier to thew point where I honestly don't even think about it anymore and can finally start focusing on things that actually matter in life.
I think it's a lot harder for many regular drug users just for the depression that follows. Well done!
Respect bro
💯 man, ?, How'd you beat that long two, three year depression?? Currently going through it now and excercise seems to be it..
I'm in the same place dude. The worst thing was the brain fog for about three months after I stopped. I genuinely thought that that I had lost most of my brain's cognitive function - like the most I could achieve is a shelf stacker at a supermarket. It was the worst depressive state I've ever been in. Five years later I'm a Marketing Director with all the opportunities I could dream of. Life is so much better without the heavy session.
It's nice when it happens like this, I think getting a little older could have some perks. I feel like I'm getting closer to that point. I feel like going to the store now. But for 2 24oz beers not 3 40s like my younger years
This documentary also doesn't show the side of raving, EDM and dance culture that stays mostly sober. I've been enjoying festivals, dance parties, edm shows etc. for over a decade completely sober and never having more fun. It also provides me with tons of cardiovascular exercise and peace of mind I wouldn't be experiencing otherwise which I credit to looking like I'm teenager despite being over 30.
Wait where do I find these people ! I also go to shows sober
It's vice. I'm sure an outlet exists that would be into that. I'll bet lots of people are sober tho. Drugs aren't for everyone music usually is
Yeah that’s more for chicks lol
RIP Tommy, pleasure to have met you. 🙏 X
Gary seems like a comforting figure in the scene. What a blessing all these beautiful people coming together for electronic music
What scares me most about the scene today is the prevalence of fentanyl in street drugs, especially where I live. It's sooo easy to mix the drugs wrong, leaving "hot spots" in a batch no matter how hard you try. When the difference between life and death is literally the weight of a grain of rice, you can see how easy it is to overdose. And don't get me going on bogus psychedelics. What we used to call "dirty acid" turned out to be totally different compounds. It's a crazy world we live in!!
Yup I remember dirty L Gotta go to dance safe. Com & get your testers.
NBoMe hasn't been around for many years now. LSD is super easy to get and there are actually a lot of fantastic rc psychedelics around these days (4 substituted tryptamines, 1p-lsd/al-lad etc) that you can just order legally on the internet. Really easy to get proper psychedelics. Just test your stuff. Always got my stuff on the darknet and never received something other than what I ordered.
@@McFwoupson respect, I really wanna start using the dark net for that kinda stuff but don’t know much about it.
Fentanyl the size of a grain of rice can kill 10 folks with zero tolerance
"Dark-web" - "instergram" practically the same thing but a lot if scanners too, calling it the "new scammers boom"
I'm 61 and my husband is 64. We went to a party just last night. we had a blast! But we're not into the raves or drugs. Hubby quit smoking mj just 2 years ago. Funnily enough, right when it became legal in Canada. But we're not ready to sit in rocking chairs on the porch, and we hope to never grow tired of having fun. We don't feel like grown-ups, and we're still waiting on that. My mother is 86, and she drives a big pickup, and goes camping all summer by herself. She still enjoys life too, and I hope to live as long and as happily as her!
Yeah, but my point is here that everyone quits partying in their late 20s not just because of raising kids and leading careers, but because they're physically unable to handle it. Chubbyemu intro music starts playing otherwise. You can enjoy life more thoroughly sober ultimately.
@@pandemicneetbux2110 bless you your mother and your husband
I think there are plenty of serious minded teens with Aspergers who study hard and work hard and want to make a contribution to society except they're lonely and not allowed into that society. They watch as other people have fun and joke and go out on weekends, they watch with envy the beautiful girls among those groups of fun people. And they have no idea how to be part of that, how to have fun laughing beautiful friends like that. They think maybe if I study harder and work harder and make more money they will accept me.
Definitely can party w/o drugs. Enjoy!😃
@@hufficag I'd addendum to that, that it's disastrous for them or anyone frankly aspergers or not to think that doing drugs to be "cool" when it's a stupid idea that'll leave you surrounded by people who aren't really your friends. If you want to test this, go two months without seeing your drinking buddies and see how things change with you being sober and them not. Their lives revolve around substance abuse, not each other, it's just they abuse substances in the same spot. It's one of the most horrible ideas that a smart kid could ruin themselves just to hang out with people that are actually uncool and bydlo and wreck their health and mind in the process.
Im clean from any mood or mind altering substances for 3 years now.
I am just utterly blown away by her beauty, and she seemed very intelligent and caring. I am just shocked and never had this happen with a celebrity or someone on TV
I was early raver back in my late twenties and it carried on till I found myself addicted I'm grateful now that I am clean and sober one day and a time.
I used to rave in the 90s.Im 45 stop 20 years ago. No one talks about the depression from all the drug use and all the serotonin that was stolen it does build up slowly but you're never quite the same.
That’s why people won’t stop. You don’t face that depression fully until you do. But it slowly gets worse with each bump.
It's true for me
yea definitely true when I was rav’n every weekends taking E. It really put me in a slump during the week. That’s when I started taking 1.5/2.0 grams of 🍄 and it was so much better to Rave on as it felt natural and clean.
SAM-e my friend, start taking that supplement. Or rather, look into it first. It's a damn shame things like this aren't prescribed by docs. It's a natural substance in your body that can be built back up easily
That's why you take 5htp and NAC
Dude im from Chicago im 43 and I roll hard...."euphoric experiences" is life. Never grow up never give up the 🥳
This seems like a way better way to age than what I see in my daily life. Fat immobile, bitter yelling at the TV, wasting away in a casino. I found it rather sweet.
Its all about where you are living. I miss living in the UK because the night life scene was so good.
Well Dave did put an axe through his tv lol
go rip some lines of ket pops, like is too short to worry about "what if."
Those aren't the only two options....
Go to a gym, get into a martial art. Study. Improve yourself.
" You can always add on, you cant take off " That's advice I've always told to others and is 100% true. Also to add to that, you should always respect any substance you choose to do, otherwise it'll do you and that's never good. You should always do the drug, not let the drug do you. If you choose to dance with the demons, You better respect the devil or they will deliver you to him.
Or just don't do the drug. Problem solved.
@@caustic625 opioids and amphetamines are the devil. No problem with natural psychadelics, but honestly. If you're gonna do any amount of cocaine, meth, heroin, ketamine etc, you're just making a mistake. No benefit to your life whatsoever. Just a fictional moment where your ego has been boosted and you feel important for a brief moment. True happiness has NEVER been achieved with those substances.
I'm not english, what exactly does that sentence actually mean?
When i use to use in younger days,I use to say use and dont abuse,But never took my own advice...lol I dont miss it,life is better sober.
@@skystonestonesky2227 nothing because demons and the devil are all the same thing. The devil is just a demon with a higher rank
I am 60 years old, and I partied hard well into my 40s. I think it's great if you can keep it up! I just kind of got bored with it. Got tired of having my head all jangled up. But if somebody handed me some good ecstasy, I sure as hell would not turn it down. I just probably would not go out to a club. I can enjoy it just fine chilling at home.
Around 10 years ago at age 24 I cut back my mdma/E usage to max 4 times per year. And I think everyone should because it just feels so much better when it’s done less often. Since about 5 years I also cut back my coke use to the same frequency and I can also highly recommend that. Still smoke hasj almost daily though🙄
Gone cold turkey almost 90 days now and im pretty thankful my smoking has decreased. Hate how lazy it made me and how insidious the addiction to smoking weed was. You can do this!
I'm 67, still teaching high school, traveling. I partied very hard until it wasn't fun anymore. Getting sober (alcohol, prescription pills) in 2013 sort of shifted things for me. No regrets! I have no problem with people my age partying; it just isn't my thing anymore.
thats the best and easiest way to quit i find, i quit weed and alcohol that way when it just wasn't fun anymore, smoking is the only thing i struggle with quitting, but i have never been a huge smoker, no more than 8-10 a day and i can get by on 4 a day without much issue, but totally quitting is hard and most of the issue comes from boredom and habit and not addiction, i spent 5 days in hospital a few years ago and they gave me a nicotine patch the first day and i never asked for another after that one, i found it didnt make me feel any better and i didnt feel any worse without it, but i was distracted the whole time i was there, boredom has been the source of almost all my desires through life to consume drugs, part of it was also depression when i was younger but i got over that when i found out i had ADHD and that was what was causing my despression since it took away my ability to focus and also my energy.
Eventually the “no hangovers” turn into a total suck-ass the next day.. Then the hangover eventually graduates from Masters to a PHD and lasts at least 3 days. Including extreme, debilitating exhaustion. For some of us, after so many morning-afters feeling completely worthless, stripped of dopamine & serotonin - you eventually make the decision that it’s just NOT WORTH IT anymore 😂
I went to my first rave back in 1997. I was 16 around that time. Now im 42 and still going to underground raves. I will be the last man standing. To be a junky or enjoying the life is a huge difference. Im a project manager and never skip a day off work 👊
Same. I never skip a day of work and simply enjoy the community that raves bring together. I'm a Radiologic Technologist. As long as you take care of business, you should be able to do whatever you want.
Fine line
@@patrickharris5917 so true. I've heard this from so many who started off saying the same things...they think they can control it, they still are responsible and work. Years later I see them full blown junkies who've lost everything.
I've never missed a day of school and now work. I've never let my partying get in the way of my work. "Where are you from that "Raves" still exist????"
Your boss knows.
The road goes on forever, and the party never ends. 🤘🏻
I go to Bristol which has a slight rep, though the most police I’ve seen on a night out was a draw between Lakota’s 30th Birthday & and night of Christmas work-dos. Both absolutely rife with the elderly haha. legends.
“Rave till the bloody grave!” I’ve never been to a rave but that quote is life
Rave to the grave is a popular quote ravers use lol I have actually used that alot when at or preparing/pregaming for a rave 💙🥰
A dnt support taking drugs, bt tu each is own, that quote though smthing i can live by, ☝☝ am already high on life!!
@@adriansteve8159 same. Can’t touch the wild drugs but music, food and the things you love will give you a great feeling for sure.
It's nice to see older people that are still having fun. I've never been big on parties, even in college, but do what makes you happy as long as it doesn't harm others.
I miss those days. Maybe I should visit Britain.
@@GeoffRosenstein they were f**king bangin'! I miss them so much...48yo and want back in 🤩🤩
Me and my buddies used to get wrecked and beat the hell out of each other with sticks. It was so much fun!! I I went to a rave twice and seemed like everyone was huffing vapo rub and there was always a group writhing around on the floor in the corner. I went straight back to riverbank stickfights after that.
VICE needs to do a documentary on all the STIs going around old folks' homes. I'm not kidding. It's actually one of the hugest growth centers for sexually transmitted disease.
@@longdong3889 lol us too
Those man are living legends
VICE at their best; spreading the geezer gospel and not pretending to be a serious platform for sociocultural commentary or political pandering. Well done.
Gary is a beautiful soul. Much love to all of these crazy bastards, I hope they stay safe and fulfilled.
Maybe u can get up with these wonderful souls and drain their hose's and get Gary fully fulfilled.
@@wildestcowboy2668 are you ok?
@@imonahorse that boy high af
@@justme2946 Higher than a MF but statin FACTS bone! U be safe playa.
Best way they can do that is to stop abusing these drugs. Nothing inherently wrong with the drugs, nor even the consumption of them, just the people using them in this setting. This isn't good or badass or respectable. They're just junkies. Nothing special, just people who have no self control. Don't glorify this behavior. This is a bad way to take drugs. Pure stupidity.
Now Dave is the epitome of Dave the Rave… in both the positive and negative aspects. I really hope he’s doing well as I write this. He seems like a very genuine and earnest kind spirit. Big up Dave!
I can’t help but love Dave! Wish him all the best!
he needs to grow up
@@6AlphaMikeCharlie9 You can be an adult without being boring though
@@merlin9702 hes not acting like an adult at all
Her face at 8:09 when he was eating the coke 😂😂 “Do you get the feeling that if you Staphd this you’d have problems?”
Legends, im 32 been taking drugs regularly since 18. Still go to work, still take my kids on days out, pay my bills and meet my responsibilities. I cant see myself stopping its just the way i live my life and im happy with it
I’m sorry but if you can’t see yourself stopping drugs, you’re an addict.
Had that "moderation awareness" phase for the very first time on a forest psy party last month. I got a couple of different E pills and out of curiosity I looked them up on a pill database. Both of them seemed to be supercharged with mdma, a much higher dose than normal so I split them in 3 portions and took 1/3rd per hour. I ended up just getting a nice energy boost everytime , got throughout the night enjoying the forest and the sets and went back home the other morning with a smooth comedown and a big smile over how nice that night was. Best thing ever.
So wack
when i was 19-24 in 1998-2003 i would buy a 10 stack of X for the weekend and had a time based routine..always did the samething.. always strtd off w half a pill..and then every 1-2 hrs another half at a time for up to 6 hrs MAX..then after my 6 hr alarm went off no more X until come down. Then one last halfer and a joint of some good weed to set the mood for end of the night w headphones and trance music.. (ALWAYS PAUL OAKENFOLD) OMFG WHAT An END OF THE NIGHT RIDE THAT WAS! Always knew when to says stop tho never over did anything .plus can only do so much b4 it's a waste of $ & X .😑😊🤩🥳🥴😵💫🤤😪😴
If you took the whole thing at once you think it would have hit you too hard?
Many pills have anything up tp 0.3g of md in these days, too much for many if not most all at once
@@davecroft It's more a matter of higher dosage than substances they use to cut them?
It’s amazing how fragile the human body is, and how durable it is at the same time. This lot make me feel soft at 26!
Like a pot plant!
What ? They are walking pathetic corpses. Physically and mentally weak and ill
Interesting watch - good interviewer as well! Saw my Dad and his mates do loads of drugs when I was very young which put me off and I have not taken anything, it’s a different world when you are in it sure it feels normal to them! Loads of pals sniffin every week just not for me and ppl can do what they want 🤷🏻♂️
im 62 and still partying goa kohphangan berlin london queensland darwin amsterdam vang vieng chiang mai manali now in glastonbury and no parties wotever cheers x