Helldivers 2 news! Primary weapon balance makes no sense? Buffs and nerfs for primary weapons can seem random, but the balance devs are speaking out about their philosophy. Also, loadout variety i think is very strong - so the devs are nailing that, no longer do we have required meta builds. I often take different loadouts to every helldive mission, because that's fun! #helldivers2news #helldivers2update #helldivers2
0:00 Nerfing Primary Weapons
2:56 Balance Dev on Weapon NERFS
6:24 We don't nerf weapons because they're too fun
7:44 Dev apology and Eruptor investigation!
9:50 Crash Fixes Update
10:28 How Should Weapons be Balanced?
10:53 Warbond Weapon Balance Problems
13:08 Weapon Balance needs to be FUN!
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Nerfing guns that are mid at best is an interesting balancing philosophy.
You already need 2-3 clips to kill a mid-sized enemy.
Slugger was top tier. Railgun was THE meta when it was first nerfed. Erupter was top tier. And crossbow wasn't meant to be a nerf but a change in role (also according to those who use it as a stealth weapon against bots, the velocity and stagger was quite the buff).
@@andypae that's your aim then lmao
It could one-shot a charger, lol
@@GreyShot254 Even when you have a chance to hit the weak spot, you spend like one mag on them. And it takes longer to change a clip than it takes to empty one. More often than not it feels like your're spending more time changing mags than actually shooting at things. You can call it whatever you like, to me that's not fun.
"Instead of making all weapons equally alright/good with strengths and weaknesses, let's make them all equally shit !" Interesting philosophy for a coop game.
to be fair the game is not that hard even on helldive
@@kami_sama0803 The point isn't that it's getting too hard, it's just getting not fun.
If they are all equally shit, then nothing is shit. Your philosophy is just as interesting as your comment.
@@kami_sama0803 hey my guy, maybe its because you are an incel sweat that has nothing else to do other than being extremely good at a game🥰
Yeah, my dominator is clearly the same as it was at launched. My Arc Blitzer is unusable. My recoilless rifle got no buffs. Plasma punisher doesn't feel any better than when it was first added. Flamethrower has gotten no buffs. Incendiary breaker is still in a weak state. The dev's philosophy is clearly just to keep everything equally bad, and just nerf whatever is decent to be at the same level as all the bad options.
"Warbond weapons need to be strong" The laser pistol would beg to differ.
Laser pistol has its uses. Mostly against bots heads.
That thing has a use and its called beaming things too far away for your shot gun lmao. Thats it. Its a very niche at least, its slightly better now
@@convergence1point at difficulty 5 probably
Piss beam
Honestly, I mostly use it to kill lights and mines. It's pretty garbage for anything else.
You know AH balance team is wack when the last crossbow and eruptor nerfs were advertised as buffs
That’s what happens when you have balance devs that don’t play the game.
If the developers want us to use our strategems against bigger enemies, then they need to greatly reduce the cool down. Most of these items are on a 2-4 minute cooldown, some are much longer. And then, there are levels in which the weather stops you from using stratagems. There are modifiers that take away one strategem slot. there are modifiers that make orbital strikes far less accurate, and modifiers that increase the cooldown and the call in time. This makes the game objectively less fun.
You know in Helldiver one we kinda solve that by allowing us to take the same strategems the same time for all four slots. Idk why they removed it but I think it will help if they allow us to do so again.
@@tntwyn5537 Too OP in this game if you think about it.
orbital rail cannon is a prime example, its clearly meant to take out big things like chargers, it doesnt one shot bile titans and it has like a 5 minute cooldown. great concept but no place for it in the current game. i would rather they make the harder difficulties truly difficult and hectic with swarms and swarms of enemies and then have the stratagems and weapons to deal with that than have everything be weak but then they keep making the game easier to compensate.
When you upgrade the ship, its a 3 min cooldown. That makes it one of my auto-picks tbh@@robertgrant559
@@robertgrant559 It's not 5 minutes without the mission effect and it sometimes oneshots bile titans if it hits their head instead of their legs or body.
Why are they acting like they are making an e-sports game. Just let all the guns be nuts and fire the balance devs.
Cuz they need the game to last. Shooting hordes is the whole gameplay loop pretty much. Weapons need to be specialized and have their own moments to shine so we have a reason to not use just one jack of all traits and so the game doesn't get boring
@@dassault7618 Exactly. So why are they removing those specialisations from weapons?
@@olafgurke4699 that's what I'm sayinggggg
@@dassault7618 how about introduce new enemies instead of break weapons
@olafgurke4699 idk lol, thats the actual problem, not weapon balancing in itself
I'm REALLY struggling to understand AH balance team, first they introduce this wild ass ricochet mechanics and to counteract that effect on Eruptor they change how Eruptor was envisioned to work? The fuck are they snorting over there?
It is not a balance team, it is just one autist that is allergic to fun
Reminds me of DbD, “we are balancing the weapons, and decided to nerf railgun once more”
@@convergence1pointstfu and stay bad. Railgun is good, if your skill issue wants to admit it or not
Did you not understand the video? The ricochet had nothing to do with the eruptor's shrapnel, and the gun was not envisioned to be able to one shot a charger, they changed it to make it MORE like what they envisioned
If the eruptor does not have its shrapnel aoe explosion it just feel like a worse anti material rifle. even the dominator feels better then it. I'm not sure what its place is anymore. feels a little pointless.
Alexus has absolutely no idea what he's doing or what the community is screaming for. ArrowHead need to sort out their balancing problems before it kills the entire game.
lmao arrowhead need to sort out their team altogether tbh. their CM team is a mess, balancing team don't have any idea what they're doing, core gameplay is working, but keep crashing... i stopped playing several weeks ago. the game was fun, but after some time it's tiring to bring out the same loadout again and again, redoing the same/similar mission again and again. still a great game, definitely got my $40 worth out of it, but time to move on they need to learn from ghost ship on how they do deep rock galactic. sure, they aren't perfect, but they surely know how to make a game "fun". i still come back to it time for time again even though i don't have to (got all my upgrades and cosmetics) because the game is just fun.
i bet bungie is also whispering sweet litle balance changes into their ear . remember when sonny acquired bungie ? they said its to get help with other live titles as well . and quess what . bungie fucking loves to butcher fun thing to as they would say - keep things fresh man i hate bungie they ruined destiny
@@bufosp you had a decent take until you mentioned ghost ship. It's been a year since a content drop you realize that right
Yea everyone been distracted by sony issue last few days (rightly so) and taken their eye off the huge actual gameplay issue which is the updates, not that every decision has been bad (flame, AMR and laser adjustments come to mind) but the last 2 especially are taking the game in the complete wrong direction. Enemy buffs and weapon nerfs on the same patch after promising a bunch of fixes people were actually looking for is tone deaf af and incompetent
@@theeginga525Yet Deep rock still has a very active player base and is releasing the new update pretty soon. Theres still some good notes to take away from that.
"rely on support and stratagems for heavies" yeah I'll get right on that after the entire team has used their entire repertoire and 3 more bile titans decide to spawn with an escort of 12 spewers, 4 chargers, and the endless flood of chaff. When I dive with randoms and they end up ragequitting on 7+ because their weapons are all shit i don't exactly feel like I'm having fun
Lmfaooo this is so true it’s like make the guns good just so my randoms don’t keep dying and quitting 😅 lmfao very unique take on this
prob unlucky that noobies from level 6 and below keep trying to climb to 7 and failed at it. 8 and 9 so far for me has been pleasant.
Time to lower the difficulty.
I feel the exact same way. The sickle used to be a hoard weapon and I could use the quasar canon to kill the chargers now I’m dying hunters all the time it’s not when a weapon is sure you want to keep the different. You don’t want people to play the same thing over and over again and make other weapons better. You don’t have to Nerf the good weapons that people love and like to play on.
rely on stratagem is quite an excuse considering how long ass cool down most of them is....people sticking with eagle-1 500kg, airstrike and napalm for everything because they are doing their job perfectly. but it doesnt help with mission that have 50% and 100% cool down on stratagem and -1 slot
Just hopped on to try the Eruptor is awful. Shooting medium armor and not killing any of them when it killed multiple before. What's the point of extremely slow firing low ammo and mag size when it cannot kill anything but small enemies with one hit?
Also don’t forget that gun’s turning speed is 3 business days
No joke the redeemer is better at killing medium bugs and that's after they NERFed it with higher recoil.
It is so bad now that a Dominator is a better choice to kill medium targets fast.
Absolutely agree, you could 1 shot 2 leg stalkers didn’t even go through it took 3 SLOW SHOTS
So many times that Senator has more reliable in shooting medium armor enemy.
If they want primaries to be for chaff and support weapons and stratagems to be for heavies then it is very contradictory that there exists support weapons and stratagems that do nothing to heavies. You wouldn’t use the Stalwart to kill a Charger and you literally can’t use it to kill a Bile Titan. The Airburst Rocket Launcher is made for chaff clearing not killing heavies. The Eagle strafing run and Orbital Airburst Strike does nothing to heavies. The Eagle Napalm Strike is specifically for burning bug chaff to death. When are we supposed to not bring heavy killing stratagems and support weapons to play these chaf killing ones when they don’t give us any primary weapon choices?
Blud chose to speak facts today
I know why. Because AH thinks the game as a MANDATORY team play game. They don't want us discovering a good balanced loudout that 1 helldiver can use and deal with every enemy. So, if you want to clear heavies, your friend should clear chaff and another one clear medium. I don't agree with that way of thinking, but explains why the F they keep making our gameplay more sufferable.
"We don't like meta" Proceeds to make Divers to always use the Quasar, Rail Cannon Strike, 500kg on every loadout because there's no other way to clear the amount of heavies that 7 upwards throws at you. The Recoiless is not even a blip in the radar because the long reloading (till the animation cancel made it better lol)
@@diogorocha9837FACTS. With recent updates, this has become more and more apparent. They keep making solo helldive impossible while a full team can actually end up somewhat boring with the right map and players. There is clearly a problem with the philosophy behind the design, and the players, having played it for hundred and thousands of hours, may actually have a better design philosophy in mind.
If they want primary to kill chaff make stalwart a primary lmao
I don’t think they need to be as ruthless as they are with nerfs because: 1. It’s a pve game 2. They are and will be introducing new and harder enemies which helps to counter metas and power creep
The crossbow was crippled on release, it should have gotten exclusively a buff (and a massive buff at that).
3. There are so many bigger issues like the numerous bugs in this game, especially the stim glitch, maybe fix those before being terrified about balance
Them saying detonating the shot under the enemy is an exploit it really puts it into perspective how twisted their view of the game is, and sure it's viable, but so is playing the game with my feet, but that doesn't make it fun.
well, honestly, shrapnel wouldnt even get to be that deadly if it was pressed on by large mass to begin with. obviously it didnt work as intended when used in some scenarios.
Probably shouldnt assume. The detonation caused a suck you into the explosion effect....using that to kill things could have been the exploit....maybe it was inpact damage from that killing chargers
I am almost certain the exploit he was talking about was an animation cancel that allowed you to shoot like 3x the speed lol (unless they don't know about that still, I haven't tried it since the update :o)
Very true, ricocheting shots under chargers felt like an actual tactic, now its boring again.
The exploit wasn't the shooting under the target. It was the fact that the shrapnel would do over a 1000 damage when this was done
Alexus has a track record of screwing up whatever he works on. He was the most hated dev in hello neighbour 2 community. And honestly i have no idea how he got into lead balance designer role without any experience in this game genre.
wait he worked on hello neightbour 2??? that explained alot
Tbh, Everytime he spoke up about something that got "balanced" it got overwhelming negative responses from the community. Clearly his decisions and changes have been very poor for the game and the community has been vocal about it. I really believe arrowhead should assign someone else to his position.
You did not just say the lead balance guy for helldivers 2 worked on the piece of shit that is hello neighbor 2 😂😂😂
That sounds interesting, is there a place where I could look into that further, because now I'm invested?
@@davidlebner9106 yes google his full name: alexus kravchenko.
The HD2 balance team is so weird about finding players coming up with cool and interesting strategies and calling them “exploits” or “brainless”, like with the eruptor shot or the rail gun charger leg from launch. Then weeks later they say “here, we killed a viable way deal with this problem, have an even more odd or brain dead way to deal with it (like the change to make rockets one shot charger heads)
I have never understood why they lowered the health to the charger head so the rocket could one shot it. The alien. designed to charge into things with a head that's the most armored part of the body...and thats its weakest point..makes no sense. The leg has joints. its has to move. its gonna have less armor. kinda made sense to take out a leg.
@@Wardukez To be fair, the rocket launchers are anti armor by design (hell in EATs case it´s literally in the name), so them blowing a chargers head clean off is reasonable, even if it might require a tweak or two to be a bit more challenging. It´s the fact that they are pigeon holing people into making it the only quick option. Imo there should be multiple ways to deal with heavies fast (considering they throw a bunch of them at a time at higher difficulties), with every option having a different level of cost effectiveness and skill requirement. So that you can either choose a rocket to headshot a charger, use a heavy single shot weapon to break off a leg or focus fire it with a medium/light pen weapons until the armor breaks.
eh. i would like to see only 1 or 2 ways to deal with them. they dont pose any risk. easy to deal with. they need buffed like alot. I dont want primaries being able to kill them.. we dont need multiple ways to kill them when they can already be 1 shot. idk. You can rocket them. You can railgun the leg still. you can dominator there butt untill it blows off which they will bleed to death. You got the rail cannon. orbital lazer. exo mech. flamer, Still alot of ways to deal with them..to many imo.
@@Wardukez Railgun takes like 4-5 shots to kill one and forget the Titans... also a fresh reminder that you're not dealing with just one charger, it is usually 2-4 at higher difficults PLUS an entire horde of misc enemies... even if you split the roles you still needs AT to deal with chargers.
@@Tamachii12 as a level 150 i get that. the railgun is still 3 charged to the head. and 2 to remove leg armor. Titans the railgun wont do anything. it deals with everything else efficiently but that, is the downside.. And im agreeing you should have a dedicated person to deal with chargers and titans. I personally bring a javelin with me on helldives cause i play that role. i deal with all chargers and titans for my randoms so they can clear trash.
I look back at HD1, and as much as I love 2, it's INSANE how much more appropriate to the task at hand EVERYTHING felt back then. There's no way you would spend 30-90 seconds running around trying to get a single elite mob off your ass in HD1, even before you purchased the DLC kit. Where did the team that came up with such an exquisite toolset go?!
SERIOUSLY YES. I never played 1 but this is a big problem for me. And now I’m getting teammates that are ignoring enemies or runnning from them themselves without even trying to use anything. They just run as if it’s all gonna stop if they get far enough. Imagine 5 titans suddenly being infront of you and 2 more spawning in when you come to check on your teammates shooting like crazy only to see it’s like 1 guy fighting for his life and the other two are just running around in circles.
These arrowhead people just can’t help but put their foot in their mouth every time they turnaround Devs:put in a explosive shell high caliber rifle Players:uses weapon as such Devs: your exploiting REEEE
I think the exploit they talked about is fast switching eruptor and increasing rpm
They already stated it is bugger rn and will be reworked yet again soon.
@@vasiliypetrovich6770 na they are refering to one shotting chargers with it, which honestly i agree in them with that, a tank enemy shouldnt be going down to a single shot of a primary, but that isnt cause for a sledgehammer nerf to the entire gun
@@nattly6340 You can one shot chargers with rocket launchers to the head tho. Using an extremely slow and cumbersome primary to make an angled shot underneath the armored enemy, where the shrapnel tears apart the squishy bits is high risk high reward, I'd say.
@@vasiliypetrovich6770yeah referring to shooting behind a big target with the ricochet is definitely referring to the rpm bug
Sick of the nerfs, and the game still crashes, just had one.
Try deleting the shader cache if on pc and verify files
I'm sick of these spawn rates
Yeah, four people on the Internet complained about dying from shrapnel, so then arrowhead had to take one of the most unique weapons in the game and nerf it beyond belief, to the point where it is virtually unusable.
Maybe I should complain about incendiary breaker because I also die from it. Every real weapons from good/bad guy can have real impact on the receiving end. War isn't only 1 view only.
@@falseblackbear3553 it's still very usable. It may not have quite as much aoe but still works well. If you wanna try another weapon that is shining a bit more now the plasma punisher is great.
The whole balancing philosophy with primary weapons being intended for normal enemies while stratagems are for large enemies works great as long as you're fighting the bots. Since the frequency of those enemies fits the cooldown of the stratagems. But when you're fighting bugs, you might see 3 charges on every nest you clear. Or multiple bile titans. You simply can't use your stratagems often enough to deal with all these threats.
@@crackededge9351to be fair, no balancing teams ever play their own games 😂
Yes you can. I play exclusively on 7+ and have a dozen different loadouts I use just for the bugs. You people will spend your strats frivolously and then panic. I'll bullfight the charger and take it down with a Punisher and some Thermite nades and save my Orbital Rail for the Titan. Don't blame your shit tactics and lack of strategy on the devs. You're the idiot.
It really does feel like the balance team either don't play their own game (or play at a low difficulty level), and just nerf things by looking at numbers on a screen. Primaries are supposed to be just for chaff but that's the problem: even against chaff a lot of these Primaries are either mid/inefficient or straight-up garbage, and it's made worse with the significant reduction of the ammo economy across the board. Medium armour enemies in particular have been an issue for a while in terms of how many rounds they can soak, with something like the Adjudicator (which is supposed to be good vs. those enemies) requiring a whole magazine dump into a Brood Commander just to tickle it. Weapons like the old Breaker Spray & Pray and the current Liberator Concussive are so bad that they shouldn't even be in the game, they're a waste of time and pixels. We won the war against Sony but I think we're losing a lot of the fun in the game with these last couple of patches IMHO. Some of the spawn rates for the bugs also need to be looked at again. The Hunter spam is often times oppressive with their dumb headshot mechanics and combined with the mediocre primaries, the increased patrol rates in general, and the still questionable armour balance...I find fighting the bugs supremely unfun right now, and the game crashes don't help either for that matter. I think I preferred it when there were 10+ Bile Titans and Chargers spawning in on a 7+. At least that was cinematic AF, even if the squad did wipe. Now we just get death by a thousand leaps from overgrown fleas.
I have consistently used the publisher the entire game because every other primary weapon sucks. I have tried every other shotgun, and every other gun, and nothing beats the first shotgun I unlocked. It's wild that I can't enjoy any gun because they can't let anything be good.
@@johnvoices4087i use the liberator concussive all the time 🫣
Scorcher still works fine for medium armor enemies.
Lol. I find more fun trying to escape leaping crickets and tell a great story of how I could have survive that.
More army variants would be good. Maybe even add a bridge module upgrade that shows expected enemy types on a mission. I need completely different loadouts for a close range slugfest against the pouncing bug army vs the medium range shootout with the bile bug army. Taking the wrong one is usually a bad experience.
Bile spewers are medium enemies, Eruptor could 1 shot them when aimed at right spot, right now you sometimes need full mag and they're still walking, that's worse damage than Liberator on the most tanky part of the bug.
It's also impossible to know when you'll be on a spewer map or not. There's the green and orange ones, and when they're swarming the entire game changes.
Try aiming directly at their face (like how you behead Chargers with a rocket). Usually just 2 shots on Level 7 difficulty
@@tylerelyt The point is that it used to work to body shot them due to the high damage.
@@znail4675 Yeah, and now that it doesn't do that, if you're gonna use it, prioritize their head
@tylerelyt Are you one of the dev’s throwaway accounts? Please tell everyone you are not actually this bad at understanding game balance.
Because the idiot responsible for balancing the game is the kind of dev that looks at spreadsheets instead of playing the game. So he gets confused by all the numbers instead of understanding why players gravitate towards certain weapons or how to use them.
Here’s a thought. Make guns good enough that you can successfully complete the missions with just your weapons. And support weapon are used for “support”. Pretty much the balance of the game makes the support weapons the true primaries.
"Instead of making all weapons equally alright/good with strengths and weaknesses, let's make them all equally shit This philosophy is actully too common in game industry. This same mindset is in PoE and many other games. And it is sign that data is prime source of inforamtion for devs, not the community
Except most of the guns are quite good. Breaker, Diligence Counter Sniper, Breaker Incendiary, Punisher, Slugger, Liberator, Defender, Sickle, most of the weapons are good and these are most of the weapons that have ALREADY been nerfed.
@@Corzappy Personally, I prefer standard Diligence over CS. CS is simply too cumbersome, the turn rate is abysmal in comparison, plus the smaller mag doesn't help either. But I've switched to the Breaker Incendiary altogether, because it just offers much better waveclear, and I can use a Railgun or AMR for medium armor priority targets.
@@olafgurke4699 Counter sniper is very mobile now with the new buffs and 1-taps every devastator in the eyes. It’s basically a 1-shot cannon on bot missions.
@@Corzappy Yeah, I've noticed it performs better against bots. Against bugs, which I prefer to do my part against, I didn't get much use of it. I'll try again with the buffs tho. The handling was my biggest gripe with it, after all.
if that dev thinks eruptor has been buffed, he hasn't tried using it. it used to oneshot fodder infantry in a large area, and now it takes multiple shots, its a massive nerf.
hold on, why the FUCK are we supposed to play the way the devs want us to play? mind you, the devs who don't even play enough to know if, for example, a fix they implemented actually fixed anything? calling features they don't like exploits? what is this? as expected, changing my review back to negative until this stops
I play on lvl 9 all the time with recoilles or machinegun and eat with default shotgun and revolver and it's more than enough. Bring 2 orbital stikes 120 and 380 for nests. Never had any issues if team know what to do. Issues began if ppl start shooting every patrol on the map which results in a very bad situation with ton of enemies spawning. Like just leave the area fffs
@@rogerwilco220"I just use the same two loadouts" Yeah that's the problem. They need to add variety not reduce it.
@@effive7817 but there is a variety, instead rr u could take flamethrower that works now as intended. There is stalwart/ammo backpack build to clear horder of mook enemies. autocannon for dealing with bile spewers is also very viable. For primary/secondary any things is working unless maybe default pistol. I would say that they need to add armors with like fire dmg reduction coz setting urself on fire and then died in few seconds is not very fun. btw the arc thrower is still op as hell, just stagger machine. The thing is that u just go in group of 4 and support eachother, not going full solo after spawn
next major order: get better community managers 💀
@@rogerwilco220"Flamethrower works as intended" **hasn't been nerfed yet, but probably will when devs see people having fun with it. FTFY
I think that Arrowhead should "roleplay" weapon tweaks. Instead of describing these things as patches, they can describe these as changes to production, experimental designs, cost-cutting measures by Super Earth, etc. These things happen in real life when new weapons are introduced to the battlefield. Yes, it would be the same thing, but it would be a fun way of framing these tweaks, and be a cheeky way of "explaining" missteps.
Restricting primary's to chaff kills only makes no sense when you consider sniper riles or high damage slow fire rate weapons. Also if they are going to be for chaff they should actually be decent.. most cant hold up
love how the devs and community managers keep acting like victims for receiving feedback. they're absolutely shit at interacting with the fans and i bet they dont even play test the weapon changes
This. It’s always like, “oh nice to see the dev say something for a change.” Then they receive backlash and it’s like, “well, it’s not as nice to see the dev pussy out and back down.” Like stand up for your beliefs and explain yourself, IN DETAIL, please
Last i checked a dev named spits did that lol he's no longer employed @marcusorta714
Would you rather them just say nothing they’re just people they make mistakes
Alexus is to blame!
They do play the changes, but it's on an internal test build, not the live build. And they play at level 5.
Why do we jump to "endlessly" buffing weapons? The whole point of buffs is to get weapons to a point where they can statistically and practically perform well. What's happening is that they're balancing the fun out of the game's arsenal. The Eruptor being able to clear large areas of enemies and close factory/ bug holes was bc it has the lowest fire rate in the game and you'd need to supplement it w/ a support weapon or teammate. Now it's a worse Scorcher that can close spaweners. The slugger had no use case over the Scorcher outside of halting the chainsaw devastator squads until they were dead. It already took 5-8 shots at a walker's leg joint to down rather than the Scorcher's 1-2 at the body The Scythe still does less than 1/2 of the Sickle's damage w/ the same exact uptime. It seems liker they have no idea what the practical breakpoints are & are stuck balancing for either perfect accuracy or pre-spawn increase difficulties.
And now the Scorcher takes 4-5 body shots to kill a walker.
@@johng6350 Unfortunately, after the change that made the 2 legs Strider more protected against explosions. I will never forget the first patch that the balance dev said on an official explanation for all changes: "Primary weapons are just weapons you spawn with" Dev team thinks primaries are supposed to be shit weapons. When by a miracle one of them comes out as a useful great gun, they nerf it so it aligns better with their mentality.
@@diogorocha9837 Yeah and it's such crap because that only means that now that I can't decide to solve certain problems with a primary at the cost of other utility, I'm pigeonholed into a much smaller meta on what support weapons I can bring. And sometimes shit happens and you're stuck in a reinforce loop. If you can't squeeze your way through a massive horde back to your support weapon then I guess you're just out of the game for 4 minutes chewing up reinforcements, huh? Sounds like fun to me...
I now remember why I quit playing warfare, division 2, red dead online, and few other games like this. Devs constantly messing with things people like for "reasons" that make sense to them.
I fail to understand where the eruptor is supposed to fit in now. There's better options for pretty much every scenario
Well, it still closes bug holes and factories, so is useful for those missions.
@@znail4675reducing a primary weapon to a grenade's job is quite sad tbh...
@@jacktheripper7935 u can bring smoke/stun nades
It's OK, Arrowhead doesn't know either
It fits as a beautiful 3D model at the collection of your (and mine) Armory 😂
6:25 I'm still waiting for him to do his job tbh. Cause at 7+ I use like 4 weapons and the rest can go kick rocks. I'm not sacrificing my primary for something that struggles to kill at minimum 8 bugs or bots before a reload.
WHY DO THEY KEEP NERFING CROSSBOWS??? No one even plays with that weapon.
I was wonerding that, too. I am one of the very few persons who played the crossbow and during my playtime with it, I never encountered another player using it. It is also not really strong in most situations and medium armored enemies are already a pain to fight against. I just liked its feel and the challenge to manage the bullet drop. I was completely baffeled when I read the patchnotes and found out they made it even weaker.
Did they even play test the crossbow before nerfing it? It's just useless at this point.
Dude, I even consider to not unlock the warbond at all 😂
And yet, they say it is a BUFF 😂 I kept thinking how to make it a decent weapon without being OP: - Make it close bug holes and fabricators - make the arrow stick then explode. If you stick direct to the target and explode it is maximum damage. If it stick to the ground and explode, behave like it is now. - should be a one shot reload weapon with a massive damage on stick damage. 1 shot every medium target to the head: Brood Commanders, Hive guards, bile spewers, devastators, striders.
I don't know man... Devs just creates a weapon that just hates the hell out of it
The issue is starting to be how they can make new weapons distinct without making them overpowered or underpowered. Personally I think its absurd to tell people to rely on stratagems, IE support weapons, when they have a nearly 6 minute+ cooldown with the exception of the EATs. I certainly don't want primaries capable of dealing with heavy units in seconds, but you have to be able to do *something.* Oftentimes stratagems capable of dealing with heavies quickly and effectively are on a long cooldown. So its up to your support weapons. What happens if you die? You're crippled and basically just running away while you wait for an orbital to come off CD, *OR* you've gotta do some desperate play to get your support weapon back, OR you have to wait for its absurdly long cooldown. And meanwhile, the game KEEPS SPAWNING HEAVIES. Objectives that need you to stay put for a few minutes can death spiral VERY quickly. Thank god the 'skill issue' gang isn't here right now because that doesn't help anything.
I've noticed your support slot almost always needs to be anti armor because it's the most ammo efficient, and all the other strategems as AOE because if you actually rely on orbitals for anti armor (for bugs especially) then you're just going to be left waiting on cooldowns
Maybe die less, and when you do, recover your gear. You critters bitching about strategem cooldowns now are a new breed of pathetic. The only thing that'll kill this game is being a victim of its own greatness as it draws in the dregs of the schizo gaming community to piss and moan endlessly no matter what they do.
The eruptor nerf doesnt seem intentional. The explosive weapons category right now clear all medium sized enemies and having the eruptor also dig into heavy size mobs made the stalwart and machine gun entirely viable. It was beautiful because you would still need some really big stratagems to the heaviest enemies. As a solo diver the ability to be a hybrid build with options keeps the game fun for me
If "making the game more fun" is his job, then hes not doing too well. They could have just made the players imune to Eruptor shrapnel. Gun stays fun. No one dies.
But that would require common sense, and thinking like a player.
Hey, stop that! We don't do that here. ~This comment was approved by AH balancing team/
If the chargers where dying to the shrapnel from the Eruptor then buff the charges armor under its belly instead of nerfing a clearly fun weapon? Also then why the magazine nerf? what did that have to do with the chargers? Just makes no sense, It feels like their lying.
Yeah that wont have any effect on the grenade laucher...or...or...or...
The original ammo was 12 but in reality 6. It took 2 ammo to shoot and so the 2nd patch was correct. This latest one of eruptor sucks making it almost useless to use. I'm going back to breaker.
Okay its wild to buff an entire enemy in response to one primary weapon's quirk. Solution is definitely not that. They could of 1. Capped Eruptor max damage to heavies 2. Capped max eruptor shrapnel range 3. Reduce the damage shrapnel damage variance Would of solved issues and broke no use cases.
It’s so you could look for ammo or call it in. I get that, do people like that though ? No. I got to the point where I could maybe get a case or 3 if I used everything, sometimes the Eruptor isn’t good for everything, not sure how they don’t understand that, but now, I’ve had a few games where I’ve ran out of ammo…for minutes…and there’s none to be found, my team might have really needed ammo and I took over making shots. And this is for any ammo using weapon. So…well that’s a problem obviously lol. But like the rest of the community yes, idk what they’re doing with all these ammo cap drops. Ones that don’t really need ammo, sure, fine. But most of those weapons are weak for obvious reasons so sometimes everyone needs ammo, should be weapons really specifically designed for (primaries mind you) for helldives and hordes.
I think that problem with balancing could be partially resolved if player knew what enemies will be on planet, like "planet is highly infested with bile bugs" "high amount of chargers were detected in this area" or "local mutation has caused higher spawn rates of hunters" so that weapons that are niche could be used when needed
Hey, not a bad idea to be honest.
If they want us to use the stratagems more, they need to look at the stratagems, not the primaries. For example, Railcannon Strike needs a massive cooldown reduction. Like 50%.
Or buff other stratagems like the orbital gas drop, it's basically useless. The area it covers is small and it lasts as long as a fart. Or the rocket launcher sentinel. Why take this when mortar and auto cannon versions exist?
Agreed. Chargers spawn WAY too often to wait that long for a Railcannon.
Hell yeah! "Ohh, look it's 4th bile titan in a row with 5 chargers! Glad my railcannon will be ready in next 200 seconds after the first shot didn't kill a single bile titan. In mean time lemme just *tickle tickle with my pew pew machine and roll more than soulslike players*"
can we stop nerfing weapons that arent even problematic? Like there are so many weapons that feel like shit to use, or there are other weapons that fulfill the role but in a much better way (in a non OP way)
They got to be careful not to detect and destroy fun... You hit the nail on the head regarding too much reliance on data to balance
It's takes TWO ENTIRE ORBITAL LASERS to kill a single Bile Titan. They cool down like once maybe twice a round. How TF am I supposed to use that more?
Laser is not for killing bile titans
who TF uses a laser for biles tho 😂
Either take the EAT, the Recoilless Rifle or the Orbital cannon strike. AH has unironically created the strict "anti-Titan" meta with their nerfs.
myself nd many use laser cannon not just for base clears but sometimes for bile titans.... no need for yall to laugh and act superior. its PVE.
Did you see that thing about the lead weapon balancer being the guy that ruined Hello Neighbor 2?
Just fire the balancing department at this point, one of the best game on a while with one of the worst balancing team
Go do it yourself then. However the game is fine
@@theeginga525 Have you played the game within the past… three months?
@@theeginga525do it first then, show us the example. We are watching.
@@theeginga525leave everything how it was yesterday, put all of the attention the numerous bugs maybe, the best decision you could have possibly made as a balance dev was to do nothing at all, also maybe reduce eagle strategem cooldowns to make them viable for killing heavies, also don’t make chargers follow you across the whole fucking map
Stratagem cooldowns are too long for it to be reliably used against heavy enemy spawns in higher difficulties. Not to mention several different debuffs that can affect them completely out of player control. Am I supposed to wait 3 - 4 minutes every time to kill a group of chargers?
Take a recoiless, Q Cannon, EATs, flamethrower, arc thrower, stun grenades, kill them with supply and weapon drops?
Exactly, which is why we rely on anti tank support weapons which bottlenecks us into like 3 viable options for bugs because there's a hard heavy armor pierce requirement, because the cooldown for the other non support weapon strategems are just far too long and more AOE oriented
@@mlwg9317 This is actually exactly my point, you have to rely on support weapons to kill armored bugs because the other anti armor stratagems are going to leave you waiting for cooldowns
I have been playing HD1 since day one. At level 6, one should get an anti tank weapon/strategem. Get a backup plan if one cannot get that weapon back or the stratagem is on cool down. You must plan accordingly for all likely scenarios like fellow gamers steal or temporary use your anti tank weapon. Deal with it accordingly.
@@Gerwhal If you have 2 500KG, P Strike and a rail, that can do a bunch of damage even 110mm can do work. There are countless videos of people doing helldive bugs without an anti-tank support.
I fought like 30 fricking bile titans today and bro, not even a 500kg one shot them when it landed under them.
Just rely on strategems! lol
@@Gerwhal What am I supposed to do when there's countless swarms of bile titans going after me and not even the biggest dealing bomb at our disposal cant one shot them. (it literally has to land ON them to one shot them.)
You have to place the 500 under so it blows up right under the head it will one shot it
@@Kratos176 It was under it.
@@Kratos176 I've had 500's hit them directly in the head prior to exploding and it has failed too one shot them. Reality is there is no reliable strategy outside of having a teammate shoot them once with AT to soften them up.
I feel that overall there is general feeling that weapon balance is not going into a good direction. Also why should the community continue to get excited about new war bonds, to only have Arrowhead to tweak (downwardly tune) weapons a few weeks later. It has happened with every war bond to date and with no end in sight. Also there is some concern they are balancing the game against flawed data (PS5 bug, host lobby bug, DoT bug, weight sole play over group play etc).
Can we get a higher cap on resources? I no longer bother with Orders since I have maxed Medals and Samples. Waiting on the new Warbond to spend them and farm medals....and then I have no purpose anymore.
Play league of legends and grind LP
Use and test different loadouts. Help fellow divers out. Practice, practice, and practice. Sometime you learn something new from other players.
I max out HD1 almost 6-7 years ago. Why do I come back to it? The reasons are on top comment.
@@arkvsi8142 Who the f still plays that crap?
@@arkvsi8142 I bet you also recommend Boku no Pico to get into anime.
I cannot understand what in the blue hell these people are thinking with all these nerfs. Particularly the ones that nerf magazine size or the total number of magazines you can carry with a weapon. I'm starting to feel they don't play their game and instead are doing spreadsheet-based nerfs, basically if players use too much of any weapon then nerf it. The Eruptor is SINGLE SHOT, takes a LONG time to reload after EVERY SHOT and if you shoot stuff that's next to you, you take damage as well. So WHY would you reduce the number of mags it has, it's not like you can spray and pray with it anyway. This type of nerfs just causes more instances where you literally run out of bullets and then can only run away and wait to be able to call a resupply. That is NOT fun gameplay. 13:32 100% BULLSHIT. They nerfed shield and railgun JUST TO STOP PEOPLE USING THEM. They literally went "you're not having fun the right way" and destroy a whole loadout. You know why it was bullshit? Because then, after they introduced MORE POWERFUL armor penetrating weapons (e.g. Quasar cannon, etc.) they REBUFFED the shield and REVERSED the railgun nerf by adding back its armor penetration. So there was NOTHING WRONG with the weapon or the shield, they just did it to screw over people who were using that combination. This is the primary reason my review of Helldivers has been negative for a long time now, way before the recent Sony scandal and will continue to remain that way. I used to play way more but every time I find some setup I enjoy it gets nerfed so the game just doesn't feel fun for me anymore. It's not just me, I used to have 5-6 friends I constantly played with and now none of them are playing anymore.
I agree, felt the same shit
The major problem is that they "encourage a more variety of loudout" by making everything worse, rather than leave what is good the way it is and make other gear better.
To be fair that might also be because you played the hell out of the game and did all you could, me personally I just enjoy fucking around and doing an operation a day, no problem with that, the game doesn't demand your attention and that's what's so great about it.
Yea I feel you. I used to have 4-5 friends who would be on everyday but these constant nerfs have driven them all to different games. AH really needs to calm down with the balancing.
@@scottroxford5715 You have a point here. The balance changes affect the try hard players. Lvl 9 difficulty. In lower levels almost everything is fun and effective enough to play.
GIVE me my Eruptor back! the nerf was uncalled for. It was a skill based weapon that now has no real use case other than you can shoot bug holes and fabricators with it.... very lame.
The Eruptor was my baby! Closing bug holes, helping clear out bile spewers, broods and stalkers and chaff. Being able to potentially take out a charger in one shot if placed correctly. 😭😭 Now I have to use multiple shots just to take out the same enemies. This is an issue when you already have limited ammo and a slow rate of fire. It was a weapon that had a very specific role. You didn't use it to get tons of kills but you were the ultimate support squad mates.
Honestly Arrowhead should push out in universe reasons for balance changes... If Major Brass came on the TV and told us that in an effort to win the war faster Super Earth has discovered a way to make ammunition for the Eruptur much cheaper and quicker, and are now manufacturing it on a new planet... where the factor just happens to make smaller clips and less explody shells... that would be f***ing hilarious... like if all "nerfs" were explained away as finding better ways to make the weapons... that would fit the universe so well.
What's crazy is if the direction or "vision" of the game is primarys are pretty much just not useful and they want you to focus on using stratagems, and no new armor passives have come out. So, warbonds are useless and more so pointless?
Other than boosters and grenades, yup pretty much all the weapons are volatile and flavor of the week lol
Imagine how useless the rest of the weapons and armor are, that people are only going to buy the warbond for the boost that makes you immune to slowing down
In my opinion, the recent change to the Eruptor to compensate for the lose of the shrapnel is a bit too much of a negative. Its slow rate of fire and total ammo capacity make it a worse version of the Plasma punisher. To make the weapons feel a bit more balanced, the Eruptor should have a bigger AOE with less damage drop off, keep the rate of fire, but what is killing the damage for certain targets is the drop off. That way it can excel at range and damage where the punisher can excel at faster rate of fire and more ammo
Funny thing is that they nerfed the AOE range in addition to getting rid of the shrapnel, so Eruptor got more nerfs then listed.
@@znail4675 agreed, hence the reason I proposed an aoe buff, id say 100% increase in the size, because it is about half the size of a contact grenade currently, and something supposed to be highly explosive being not as explosive as a grenade is saying something
If the rest of the devs have this ass backwards approach to balance they may as well never release a new Warbond ever again. Whose going to be putting down money for things at inevitably get “BaLanCeD” into trash. When the community at large tells you that something feels bad, and you still choose to argue that it’s actually “viable” it’s like seeing writing on the wall, but choosing not to read it…
Well said!
You guys are the ones ignoring the writing.
@@kamikeserpentail3778 The most “No, you” comment ever.
I remember when Jar 5 had 300 damage, that -25 damage nerf I could really feel that. hive tyrant and brood commander seem to take more hits to kill. And hunter survive more 1 shots than when it was 300 damage, surviving 1 shot...why is it necessary for hunters to survive more 1 shots? Its not like the jar 5 have much ammo for it either, with all the sway, reloads. I just dont understand.
That's not a Jar issue, they buffed all enemies.
@@beakwooda.k.aadregallus8788 Yeah, they not only nerf our tools, they also buff the enemies. That's how the game becomes more fun, right?
All this dedication to realistic guns and they ignore the historical weakness of the glacis plate of a tank. Our top-attack option is roulette on whether it locks and too slow to be viable above 7, especially when large enemies can just slide around to protect the glowing spots faster than you can sprint.
True, historically the glacis is a thin plate since weight is a priority focus. However, this is a game and a game that isn't a historically accurate war game. So, of course, the bots have thicc glacis plates since, if you haven't noticed, the tanks aren't historically accurate either.
I killed myself maybe twice with the shrapnel effect. These excuses are pathetic and make no sense considering this problem wouldn't have even happened had they left the gun alone. Sure it was powerful but it was keeping your players playing. How is that a bad thing? And forcing players to use strats vs medium adds? Do you want to play the game for me or should I?
I've lost a number of helldivers from the time the enemies of humanity hardened their armor resulting in more ricochets to now when the hyper velocity self forging frag jacket on the Eruptor round was removed in favor of more effective and cheaper additional HE filler. Of course I'm still losing helldivers to being overrun, and I need to requisition even more ammo. But Super Earth knows best.
Yeah, I killed my self the very first time I used the eruptor. That was an immediate, oh OK I see how that works, moment. After the first adjustment the weapon felt really good, the second has made it useless.
Agreed. I'd rather kill myself once or even twice in a mission, and have the proper function.
The nerfs make complete sense from their point of view, The point of view of the vast majority of game designers. You can't with a handful of You can, As exceptions to the rule. Is the design philosophy. For internet, You never have enough shotgun or heavy weapon ammo in a shooter. Status effects don't work reliably or at all.Are major enemies or bosses.
If they so against accidental suicide or tk with eruptor they should turn off friendly fire for every gun and strategem. Didn’t an accidental ff core mechanic in their vision of the game?
I personally stopped playing it about 3 weeks ago now, and a big part on why I stopped is the constant of fixings things that ain't broke. Being derailed by sum dev sitting behind a deck nerfing everything trying to prolong the game.
Magazine size was not reduced on the Eruptor, it's always been 6 shots. It was reduced from 12 mags down to 6. The shrapnel was not changed originally, it was the ricochet update that made the shrapnel fire back at you, resulting in your death. If the reversed the ricochet changes, which weren't needed in the first place? The shrapnel wouldn't kill you, Eruptor wouldn't be broken. I've been using the Eruptor since the warbond was released, being extremely effective on everything bug, even decent on titans if your support/strats were on cool down.
The ricochet is cool though. I think they could have stopped at 8 mags instead of going all the way down to 6. And they should have left shrapnel but put a cap on the ricochet amount so it wouldn't instantly kill chargers.
Calling the old skillshot tech on the Eruptor an "exploit" seems like...a bit of horrible strong wording lol. I think that's simply just not what that word means. I'd unironically prefer power creep over what we have now, people say "oh they don't nerf everything, look at this 20 buffs they did for all these weapons!!!!" then the buffs are just very slight damage increases to weapons that end up still being useless trash because they NEED waaaay more than that. Bonus point: If they want us to use supports and stratagems to deal with heavy units, make the Stalwart and Machine Gun primary weapons already, seriously.
Went from 1 shot Brood Commander to 2-3 shots… The Eruptor is broken.
i feel like a ballanced weapon would two shot a brood commander, and the first shot should maim them hard, but the biggest issue is the complete removal of its ablity to deal with groups.
Even before the patch it could take 2shots to kill one. Same with the Hive Guard.
@@DekArosaro No, most of time it was one shot for me.
@@nattly6340The Senator can 3 shot them. In the time it takes the Eruptor to fire a second shot the Dominator can empty an entire mag. It absolutely needs to be a 1-shot.
It was broken before, crybabies.
In my tests de eruptor went from one shoting medium enemies (all except chargers and titans, spewers take 2 to the body) with a shot to the head along with smaller enemies in range, to taking 3 head shots to take down a hive guard (armored head bug) without killing the smaller bugs around. Basically, you still need to rack each shot for a second, before firing the next one, but you can't take down medium enemies effectively and the smaller ones also take 1 shot each, and since you don't deal good aoe anymore, you are better off not using it there. Tl;dr: It now sucks to kill individual things because each shot takes too long to load, amd can't do crowd control, because it's explosion is too weak
1. 40 direct damage isn't a good trade off for 100 area damage when the gun is a bolt action with a very slow rate of fire 2. Alexus was the lead designer for Hello Neighbor 2 and he was responsible for cutting a lot of gameplay features enjoyed by fans of the first game.
My Eruptor... It was horrible at close range - ultra low turning speed, slow AF reload, but I could one-shot ATSTs, bigger bugs and units below hulk. Oh, and btw when they are gonna fix the always scoping issue?
I didn't even like it before the nerf because of how shit the handling was. But, to me, it was perfectly balanced. Had strong pros and cons.
The scope thing should be in the settings
The scope thing is your own personal gameplay settings. You can change weapon settings in the menu.
@@jangomp3 unfortunately, the settings don't save for a lot of people. It's been a bug for 2 months. Last week, not only wouldn't the settings save from game to game, but I had to adjust every time I aimed the weapon.
@@jangomp3 Yeah, except the game ignores that. I had the settings to not remember scope settings, and I still swapped weapons into scope.
What they need to do is change philosophies because even if another weapon gets like a 5-10% buff, thats going to create a new meta anyway. All these nerfs make getting the warbond pointless cause they're gonna get nerfed in 2-3 weeks anyway. If this was COD, then I'd agree, nerf and buff as much as you can, but since we're working as a team here, we need more bullets and firepower to bring more freedom! (Stratagems need a buff too! More powerful bombs= more democracy spreaded)
Breaker Incind...Punisher Plasma...Arch Blitzer....all those started terrible and now are solid picks.
yes, make the game a walk in the park, everyone will be happy :)
@@thekamikaze789 Nobody wants that. But we do want adequate tools for the job. Right now we have a 500kg that doesn't even deal damage within all of it's animation radius. We have specialised weapons like the Eruptor, that get their specialties stolen. Simultaneously we get buffed enemies, increased spawns (even more so the less people are in a mission, fck solo or duo players I guess). But no, rather make every weapon crap and unfun to use. That for sure will make everyone happy. :)
I do not care what weapons the devs want us to use! WTF is that all about? Let us use what we want, when we want.
Crazy part is the devs literally said play how u want but now that ppl are doing that it’s a problem
@@daddygravely4673 The devs also said that Sony had no control over HD2, until, of course, they had.
The bigger problem is: on higher levels the amount of medium and large enemies is so high that using stratagems doesn't always work. If you miss one stratagems or it doesn't kill e.x. a titan it's pretty much death. The constant slow of smaller enemies makes it also very hard to evade and breaking fights is near impossible as well without using stratagems you need to kill on objectives on later levels. I don't see how this helps balancing the game tbh. Take turret stratagems for example, they die so far even if you throw them at max range since you get swarmed from all sides that the chance is pretty much 50/50 if you call it down. I don't know maybe give it a small shield in the first 19 seconds or something. Like this, strategic or tactical planning is not possible.
Crashes got crazy, just started happening to me yesterday. 3 games in a row crashed for seemingly no reason mid match...
Check your cache on computer.
After every update I verify my HD2 files if I crash 9 times out of 10 this fixes it. Might want to give it a try.
People arnt gonna buy these bonds if your gonna nerf shit I'm not I'll wait 2 weeks
I didn't even unlock the explosive warbond and don't think I will 😅
I'm not buying shit anyway, when I can just farm enough SC in the time it takes me to go through the last warbond. Also,, your reason.
"Players were using an exploit where they were having fun with their primary weapons. Yes, that's an edge case. No, I didn't consider it. Weapon effectiveness has been nerfed. I still strongly believe that primary weapons benefit from being mostly useless more consistently. So, it's only a net minus if you're having fun, otherwise it's perfect."
The CB-9 change was actually more of a buff than a nerf; it's now easier to one-shot headshot devastators at 40-60m thanks to the better arc from the faster velocity, while the increased stagger keeps them at bay if you do miss the headshot, and though the amount of clips was reduced, the ammo economy overall is now much better. Eravin actually finds it to be one of the best primary options now, right alongside the DCS and Scorcher.
The real reason is to trick players with useful weapons everytime a new warbond is out tricking them to buy it and then nerf it after a month and before a new warbond comes out creating this if I don't get it now it'll get nerfed later mentality. And I was banned for saying this in the Helldivers 2 discord.
The helldivers discord sucks ass 💀💀💀 Mods are always power tripping
well there certainly missed with that plasma shotgun
and then you realize that they buffed almost all of the warbound weapons except the eruptor. so sure, keep lying.
That's evidently what's been going on it's funny that so few people have noticed it.
@gobarash6279 crossbow, slugger, breaker and every weapon that never were relevant to begin with : "You serious?"
I've been using Erruptor almost exclusively on Helldive, and never even tried to kill chargers with it. I don't think it suppose to kill them in one-two shots. The main "tech" of the Erruptor is that it is the only primary that can reliably close bug holes and fabricators! But not being to one-shot mid enemies sucks, and they need to buff it's bullet damage.
Can close bug holes and fabricators, lol that’s the exact use of the grenade pistol
To be honest, how many times were you killed by the shrapnel? An unnecessary complaint basically nerfed the gun again.
The game vision is to really capture a real military experience. So they make you ill-equipped for any situation, and despise the people in control for constantly screwing you over.
Noticed lastnight that if you stamp on a charger while in a mech, you get sound effects and hit markers asnif you're being shot at by something?
Then why even give us snipers and even bolt action snipers as primaries and strategems like strafing runs, mashine gun barrage, cluster bombs and so on for stratagems. Also, that's how shrapnel works.
Why even bother with the new warbond, any 'good' weapons won't last. Its all just cosmetics, hell we're lucky theyre not nerfing those too
Just to recap. Eruptor got half its mags removed, its damage falloff on the explosion increased, then they took away the shrapnel pieces and gave us a flat 40 damage increase (=1 shrapnel piece) but didnt realize the falloff on the explosion was going to still be awful. It reloads slow, has a tiny magazine size, and its "still viable"? Give us SOMETHING here.
My baby the Eruptor has been getting put through it bro. Slugger Plasma has been my new favorite
The bigger problem is not being able to be reinforced, despite having full lives, ran into the glitch after the update
Bro they added a deflect on self feature upon shooting at heavy armor which NOBODY asked for. THEN they noticed the eruptor mechanic messed with their "new feature" which again nobody needed. And THEN they changed the shrapnel mechanic on the eruptor making it shit. So basically the player lost another tool cause someone added a stupid ass mechanic in the game and they can't pull it back immediately after they put it in.
Community "The gun now feels like trash. We think it's this change" Arrowhead- "It wasn't that. it was this." Community: "Okay... the gun still feels like trash now." Arrowhead: "..." I get it. Game making is hard, but this is a bit ridiculous. All the fun weapons are getting nerfed into the ground or are useless. What's the point of buying a new warbond knowing that all the weapons are going to be trash at launch of feel like trash after they nerf it.
Not the Eruptor, no fun at all to use it. Takes 3-5 shots just to kill a god damn Hive Guard
It'll either takes that many shots because you missed your last 4 shots or you were targeting it's legs
@@kaizooniichan16 It doesn't even kill with a headshot like it used to.
@@kaizooniichan16 still that's not the point, shooting it's leg was almost guaranteed 1 shot (with shrapnel)
It sounds to me like some of the nerfs to guns like the Eruptor may still not be a fully intentional nerf. One thing I’ll never understand in shooter gaming that are PvE, is why development studios always seem to naturally feel a need to nerf things. Balance in any shooter is good, but especially in PvE. I think most gamers would agree that if a gun or overall weapon balance is to lean one way or the other we would all prefer it leans more overpowered in favor of the player. Sure it can make the game too easy for a time but that’s usually more fun than things feeling too hard or having too many weapons that feel ineffective.
" is why development studios always seem to naturally feel a need to nerf things." Cause it is easier to do that than buff everything to the exact same level, overshoot something, then buff everything to that new level, overshoot again, repeat; and then have to buff all the enemies cause everything is overtuned. It is important to note in PvE that the devs designed each enemy; they could have given it more health from the start, or given it less health; they picked a specific value around some design goal, and that design goal usually persists even after weapon changes. Players meanwhile naturally do not have the same design goal for the enemy as the devs. Also nerfing makes it easier to switch player behavior to figure out how other guns compare. If everyone continues using the gun they are used to; the devs might have difficulty figuring out how other guns preform. You can nerf a popular weapon, watch what the players switch to, get a better idea of what weapons need buffed or what buffs weren't enough; and you can always buff the popular weapon up to the same level at a later date.
You can buff weapons without buffing just damage (stagger, mag size, fire rate, penetration through small enemies, dot effects etc.) Players are looking to have fun these effects and techs are fun to master. Then we get new stuff that we'll also want to master. The devs are making it hard to like certain weapons in fear of it getting nerfed directly or indirectly.
Weapons are not the only thing that suffer from balance issues. A majority of the stratagems like the turrets for example are practically unusable on higher levels due to various factors (for turrets it is because they have a long cooldown and can very easily be taken out by enemies without doing anything). Another factor is the balance between various player numbers in a mission, where lower player counts in missions lead to drastically increased difficulty after the last major balance update which increased patrols by 50% for solo players for example.
what did they do to the rail gun again? it was buffed like days ago and now its nerfed again or i am lost?
Around the first balance patch the railgun has been in a very niche use case. It used to be really good and consistent. Very versatile. Now it takes a lot of time to use where anything below almost max unsafe charge before self explosion is borderline useless. To destroy a leg of a charger used to be one semi full charge shot. Now it takes two full ones. Also the charge speed was changed and made it a lot slower for charge speed. So it lost damage, versatility, and effective use cases all across the board. Its downsides in a horde shooter are massive and then gutting it makes no sense. This is from my use experience on 9 difficulty cause that's all I play
Nothing was done to rail. Two barely over unsafe blows leg armor
Made it dog shit lmao
Primary weapons being only for chaffe sounds like bs to me. Why would they ever bother with any of them having medium pen or any effect like explosive or fire?
The Eruptor worked JUST fine before the ricochet mechanic was introduced. The ricochet mechanic seems to be programming that directs rounds towards players if the rounds hit heavy armor. This would make sense that this broke the Eruptor because if it's a percentage based program, a significant number of projectiles would be directed towards friendlies. They need to dump the ricochet mechanic, it's dumb and doesn't make sense that the rounds comes back with enough force to penetrate armor after colliding and spending energy on a target. It is _not_ realistic, just another way to add RNG death to the game.
The Eruptor was the weapon that got me to change and try new loadouts because how applicable it was.
This guy obiously never finished a game in dif 9. The eruptor was quite nice to kill spewers and brood commanders while the rest of the team was dealing with the chaff. Now it does not do anything and he is like "Its gud weapon". Getting 3 rounds from the breaker mag is 1 thing, making a weapon bad is another. And let's be real here. The eruptor sharpnel was killing you or your teammates... Okay. Eagles, orbitals, flamethrowers and a lot of other stuff was, is and will kill you probably at greater rates than the dreadful sharpnel -.-
Yeah lol, the amount of times I have killed someone or been killed by someone missing a 500kg that fell is treasonous
These nerfs are not good for AI bugs and bots. They would be better for team death match or something. The balancing is trash. Not to mention the randomness at times when you have bile titans all spawning multiple times at once then the rest of the bug team are after you and nothing in your arsenal is good enough anymore. Or on cooldown. If we have a long wait time then the massive AI should have a delay until our strats are back.
They do... That's what localization confusion increases. A breach will only call in so many enemies, then you have like 2 minutes before the next one. It's not the devs fault people constantly retreat into patrols and run around like chickens with their heads cut off for 2 minutes until the next breach instead of either killing everything or retreating carefully. You're just not good at the game. That's ok, you can play on easier difficulties. It's ok to play on easier difficulties if you find that more fun
@@kamikeserpentail3778 lol go comment on everything other post with similar or the same issues. Also I play level 9 and I’m level 60 the games not balanced stop giving the devs a free pass.
It's ironic that their concept has been "primaries are for fodder hordes and supports and stratagems are for heavies." AND YET! The change they made to the Eruptor has made it more viable against heavies and practically ineffective against fodder hordes. I think they're trying to sort things way too cleanly and it's hurting the game. Their idea is "Primaries for fodder and mediums, stratagems and Supports for mediums and heavies." with the reality being that primaries clear fodder and struggle with mediums and stratagems and supports clear mediums and only a handful of them actually can handle heavies in an efficient manner. They need to stretch that ideal further. It should be Primaries can kill anything, but you're going to be spending way too much time trying to deal with a heavy with your primary and support and stratagems can kill anything, but their best platform is heavy clearing, some clearing out a lot more than others clearing out 1 really REALLY good. Yes, the game is supposed to be difficult, but it's also supposed to be fun. Sitting on Hellmire waiting for the fire tornadoes to stop for 10 minutes while patrol after patrol after patrol keeps running up to harass me and burn to death isn't fun. Having to sit and wait for an Ion Storm to pass to address a charger is not fun. Having to wait until a jammer is dealt with to deal with a hulk parade is not fun. Those make the game difficult, not fun. Having ways to either deal with the threat or give a better chance of survival during these mandatory arbitrarily enforced times of not playing the game while playing the game would be a lot more fun. You only have so many grenades to get you out of jail if they're even the kind that can do so. Yes, there is skill involved, but making the game unplayable because you want to try out a new gun that literally is so inept at being a weapon that it struggles against basic fodder is an open admission that you're adding s*it content to this game to fluff the warbonds.
Oh, look! The tesla tower's arc oneshots your teammates! We need to nerf its damage by 80% ASAP!
Whenever I see people echoing the "only buff, never nerf" mindset I just look at what happened to Borderlands 3. The community flipped out about some small nerfs early on and the devs way overcorrected by only buffing everything into the stratosphere for the rest of the game's lifetime, which ended up ruinning the fun of starting a new playthrough because every piece of trash that dropped was able to one shot damn near everything in the game. They even went so far as to constantly give global droprate buffs to the point where endgame drops were popping out of literal piles of shit to where a player would exit the tutorial with seven copies of the only guns they'll ever need for the rest of a playthrough.
The railgun/backpack early meta was mostly because at the time 90 percent of the weapons just didn't work properly. Had the game launched with all of the weapons working properly I don't think the railgun meta would have gotten as popular as it did.
What the community wants is a fun-to-use variety of weapons that does not feel weak or underwhelming. Ultimately we players FEEL instead of calculating things from the ground up. It would be nice if I could see players getting into missions with a wide variety of primary and secondary and choice of strategems. Which, to be honest, the current state of the game is doing mid and approaching a bad direction (By the dev team hitting the top pick weapon instead of seeing what's wrong with the other weapon). Weapons need not be OP, as long as the player feels good and live the fantasy of playing it. I give a good example: Earth Defense Force, lots of the weapons there are actually not the best (Some are even meme), but many of them feels good to use, and are contributing to the fight the player is experiencing.
I'm surprised the eruptor could one shot the charger. Granted I mostly used it for bots and shooting at the feet of a few basic bots was a good way to clear a few close around it. I understand the devs wanting a variety of primaries being used, but with only so many medium armor penetrating choices and hard hitting guns to use, some primaries need to be great/ amazing for the harder difficulties. Looking forward to seeing if the next warbonds sub machine gun will be a good or better option with the ballistic shield or not.