Jungle is a role that gets a lot of attention, mostly negative. From being the most autofilled role in the game to everyone being quick to point fingers at the jungler as the reason for why they lost, we'll be discussing why no one wants to play jungle, detailing why it's such an unenjoyable role to play.
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The worst part of being a jungler, is that your lanes expect you to get stuff done, bot don't rotate to dragon, they farm is too important, oh you lost lane alone, well it's my fault that I didn't gank, I'm being invaded, well sucks for me because nobody is coming
thats why im never asking for ganks and waiting for enemy ganks so i can double kill them sometimes i invade from top to help my jgler or give other players time and some info as toplaner ofc
Conversely the problem with being an adc with bad jugglers is they just decide it's time to come bot and do drake when you have a big wave being pushed into you, they ping it twice then start it, you can't rotate, they then die to the enemy jungle and support an dose the dragon to. The issue is that for jungle to be able to do anything, they have to be good AND the circumstances in the sidelines have to be right, ultimately is a role with a huge variance in game impact and agency, a bad combination of factors can lead to a jungle who only serves the enemy, but in the opposite case their moves can win the game.
Right? They don't understand the difference between picks. I had a game where I ganked 3 lanes as j4 got them ahead but since I spend time ganking I was behind xp and nocturne got 6 and killed them. Suddenly all my early pressure they forgot and proceeded to flame me instead.
@@Drakshlas a Bot laner who quit and went to Jng and Top, if your wave management is that horrid where you have 2 waves crashing at the same time, thats not the fault of your Jngler or your Support. Getting a Double Kill is way more important than the wave you couldn’t manage crashing. At that point its clear you other laner is winning lane, so denying them gold and EXP is more important for the entire team than it is for specifically you. Plus if they are already strong enough to completely destroy your lane management then you need a gank anyway. More than likely they already have a bounty and no matter who gets it, its more advantageous as a whole than if you can’t CS. If you can’t CS at that point thats on you
Cry
Playing Jungle in League is like playing another game
Jungle feels like the teemo of all 5 roles
As someone who pretty much 1 tricks jg whenever I play another lane for fun I realize how different the role is
@@donovanarredondo2293ya and I realize how much more I actually enjoy jungle
Jungle is the most fun role, but you'll be using /muteall more than any other role. 1/4 games your botlane will die on their own before you've cleared 3 camps. Then, it's just "jg diff" and blaming you for having no dragons.
@@1dingerr The problem with that is that if you /muteall they can't see your pings either. So you have to rely on your laners to not be asleep when you're ganking. It's more effort but I just manually mute each persons chat
Ah yes Jungle, a role where you could be 13/0 and have the most damage, yet your team will still vote to ff and say JG diff cause they kept fighting unnecessarily.
4 Dragons 6 Grubs 1 Herald all Solo while also ganking: "Jungle no impact"
@@Wavinto twice I had a Skarner top whine about not getting a gank as I'm doing grubs when they had full capability to walk back from lane and recall.
Wait, Objectives? Macro? Winning? What are these things? - brainlet laners :p
Nah you're just not playing around the 4 people who you need to carry. Get good.
Then those laners take a break with a few ARAMs and play like pussies.. literally lose to winions.. everyone wants sht done.. but who wants to actually do sht 😢
My favourite is when Broxah, a literal pro player got flamed in bronze for being a dogshit jungler.
playing jungle like being on a basketball team and having you worry about your teammates swatting the ball out of your hand too.
You don't like top laners farming your raptors after dying 1v1? I thought it was a cool random event where you 4 turret plates, first blood tower and your top side jungle at the same time!
It goes the same in lane though? Junglers frequently run down peoples laners. Invade with zero prio and then complain. A laner has to worry about their jungle knowing jack shit about anything. This is not even considering matchups that they don't even bother knowing.
@@shadows_star the only match-up that matters in the jungle is rammus vs yi, everything else is unimportant. the fact that you even brought that up proves how you don't know shit about the role.
"With the new jungle items almost any champion that is not support can play jungle" - Jungle Blitzcrank running at you at mach jesus
funny considering recently they took away blitz's jungle capabilities
Nautilus can still ball out
@@atomickarate3421 I thought Naut was designed as a jungler though, so I'd expect him to be ok there.
Rell sobbing in the corner
@@frankwill7137 yeah they did not have to do her that dirty. She fell out of the meta on her own during the new season/grub changes
Playing jungle is just psychological pressure. Regardless of whether you are winning or loosing, your teammates usually blame jungle for most mistakes. You might gank their lane, but if you take a kill, you will get spammed with pings. You have an unsuccessful gank, pings. You are taking a camp and a laner dies, pings. I feel like you have play to 4 others players needs "perfectly", which is downright impossible, making the game nothing but agony. It is a very important role, but you need to be very patient to play it as I think most players are only considering themselves rather than the general state of the game, making you the direct target to blame for anyone's mistakes
the mute all button is my crack cocaine as a jungler
Wow the funny thing is as soon as I started to play it immediately went to jungle and that was like 4 to 5 mths and I'm still getting whooped 😅.
You need to have the mental strength of a monk Lee sin is popular for this very reason
That’s why i play qiyana jungle. Easy ganks and people who are not braindead will not get tilted because qiyana can snowball Hard
I think League of Legends has a problem of it being almost borderline impossible to have fun if you're not really strong in the game making so that everyone that isn't the one carrying the game really mad at everyone who could have helped them, regardless of it being a good use of time or not to help them.
What I dislike as a jg main is that if you aren't one of Riots selected 5 champions for the season you will always be weaker than the power picks they want for the meta. Furthermore, I dislike when they make a champion strong for a patch just to nerf them worse then they were before. I wish riot would have a more consistent jg experience.
you are meta slave
Tbf that’s kinda Riot balance overall. They’ve been frustratingly close this season, but then they consistently just fumble spectacularly. Most recent example being rework Skarner having the bones of old Skarner, but still being completely unrecognizable. And half of that is numbers and really weird design choices.
Tbh the Jungle overhauls every season are really Killing me
That's not exclusive to Jungle dude. This happens to every other role as well. Some metas/seasons Tank supports are trash, some metas enchanters are OP and must-pick. Other metas champs like Jinx and Zeri and Aphelios are top tier picks, other metas Jhin, Ashe, Varus, Kalista are meta. It happens to every role. Riot intentionally rotates around what is strong because otherwise the game would be incredibly stale and also not every champ can be viable at the same time. There are matchups that are just straight up hard counters.
That's every role. Right now, there's only like ~5 very strong mid laners. Whoever is strong in carry roles will impact who is viable in the jungle and who can best synergize with those champs
That Baus viewer joke gave me a good giggle
I mean as toplaners, who wouldn't?
@@tyronegundran4549agree
Immediately paused video and went to the moment section lmao
Same haha
Who said its a joke.. theyre toxic and deserves bans.. and so does he
“It is not my job to win lanes for you.” is a sentiment I have said and stand by. I can help lanes, but I have to win my lane too, I can’t hold your hand the entire game because you can’t manage waves or take good trades. Learn your lane before you come for mine.
That is mostly why I play Karthus. Whenever someone complains, F all of you. No more ults for the whole game.
@@DarthNViousI run gp jungle and when I get people flaming me for not ganking, I ult their wave. There, ganked.
@@StarChargerStudios I like that so much.
best mechanic i learned as a jg player is /mute all
🤣
Unfortunately, people don't know that junglers need to farm, they expect junglers to have 10 cs per minute by standing still near all 3 lanes, while they play under the enrmy tower, so when they mess up, the jungler can score a pentakill every 5 minutes
"The jaded jungle veteran" is a trope in the League community for a reason. When you have 4/5 of the roles constantly breathing down your neck 24/7 it's hard not to get pissy sometimes.
One of my favorite IGNs I've seen is "12 years a jg".
And something I never understood was the lanes not supporting their jungle when they need help, or even just helping them early take blue/red at start As a support/bot main, the amount of times I've seen junglers being happy just for my small helps that laners should do by default is just saddening
@@yournewmessiah3582what's crazy is you see in high Elo how much laners play around their jungle, collapse on invades etc and yet in low elo, there is no understanding of this. Playing around your jungle can open up so many windows to get ahead but many laners just don't understand that concept. As a jungler myself, I feel that it is the laners job to keep an eye on where their own jungler is at all times and play accordingly. Play safe when I'm across the map, rotate to defend against invades if possible, and when I ping that I'm coming to gank, position in a way to receive the gank! Those three things make such a big difference, but laners seem to be clueless of those concepts most of the time.
* every single lane push to tower, every single lane fed, "no ganks, jungle dif"
Theses only one truth, the bot lane that hard pushes early almost always loses mid&late.
As a support jungle main , I feel like I'm playing chess and I got 4 backseat players. One actually touching my pieces
I became a jungle one trick, because I hate geting auto fulled.
Jg role is the only reason I play lol. Lanes in this game are trash. Dota 2 so much better.
Ancient problems require ancient solutions
@@IndigoProphecy I dont remenber how to lane.
@@notyouraccount6038 Same. Once got autofilled in Mid for some damn reason and I picked Orianna and I was just, struggling to understand how to lane. We still won but I will never play Mid again
@@IndigoProphecycan you teach me how to play dota 2?
With great power comes great responsibility, and being responsible for disabled narcissists is never fun as they are the definition of fair weather friends.
Well articulated. I think you are spot on. Competitive lol does attract extremely delusional people addicted to dominate others. Narcissists.
Playing jungle makes me feel like whatever i do is my fault, which is true but it just makes me feel sad, until i play Master yi, then people think im smurfing
I feel you on that one, Yi definitely makes jg feel so much nicer or any similar champion for that matter
As a jungle main I don't give a crap about what my laners think, if they help me when I'm getting invaded it's a + , if they communicate and help set upp objectives I will gank the hell out of that lane. If my enemy is yi I will counter jungle and make his life hell. Most yi players are the defenition of cowardly players ether way sitting in a bush waiting to kill me on top side buff.
@@cosmichaze1482agreed, only constant in every game is you, unless you’re duoing, but the only thing you can control is yourself. So I’d rather just farm up with a hyper carry jungle and shit on everyone late game. It’s the only reason I ever picked up Yi or Bel’veth. Can’t trust teammates to be useful so just be a monster and carry.
@@wolfulf3339 I've noticed that the higher rank I get, the more observant my laners are of the map. I'll often ping an expected invade and they actually show up. Sometimes they're quicker to ping the potential invade which is really nice. This is around Diamond.
jungle has to be the role where even if you do your job correctly, your team still finds a way to blame you
Fill main here. Lately i'm 80% jungle 19% adc
Yeah you might wanna learn Kindred for those games 😂
@@ryu8942 infortunate i'm only good at gank lvl 3 jungle (rek'sai, elise, new skarner...)
@@sortilien2099add J4
@@sortilien2099 believe it or not but Kindred has really solid level 3 ganks
you don’t have to gank lvl 3 every game that actually puts you back if you don’t get your kill
"I don't want to play jungle, I want to play League of Legends" - (Ha)shinshin after getting autofilled jungle
As a jungle main, my hot take is that jungle isn't as impactful early game as people think. I've camped lanes and helped lanes immensely and they still manage to blow that lead. Then blame me anyways.
It's impactful on a psychological level. If you gank mid and end up dying before 5mins your laner will believe the game is over, stop trying and start flaming you
see some of it is on you tho you’re ahead with whatever lane your helpings dominate so it’s up to you AND the other lane who’ve you spammed helped
yeah. you gank to get yourself ahead. not your laner. that guy sucks and if he gets the kill push the wave under tower with him to suck up his juicy xp and cs
Think of jungle as an amplifier, if your guys good he will snowball if your guys bad he will lose no matter what just slower.
Yeah, jg is only impactful in high elo were people capitalize said advantage. Low elo? Top lane fuckers manage to die 3 times before min 5 to a Fiora/Darius and the game is already over.
the worst part (imo) is this: when your laners overextend / dont ward / don't play around jungle timings and then die in a gank, the blame is on you, although you had ZERO to do with that. Your laner created the opportunity and the enemy jungle took advantage of that, but you are still the one to blame somehow. So instead of being measured by the opportunitys you took vs. missed, you get measured by the opportunitys the enemy jungler took, which you (again) have nearly zero control over... thats the reason i play support now. If my adc ints a fight he more often than not has the decency to not blame his support, while this self-awareness is not present at all in laner to jungler relationships, at least that's what it feels like.
nothing beats my top laner counting in chat how many times the enemy jungle has come top (and then doubling it ofc) while having 0 vision score
@@brandonsommer6695 exactly xD
I will danger ping a laner if I see a gank coming, but I can count on 1 hand the times they actually backed off. Most of the time they just die, and I get hit with the, if you knew they would gank why didn't you cover. My brother in christ I just finished diving the enemy bot, please I can't teleport top to save your stupid ass
Jungle is the opposite of ADC Each role has an amount of game knowledge and champion knowledge, ADC require champion knowledge while jungle needs a lot of game knowledge, you need to know the optimal clear spawn timer when to invade when to gank when to counter gank and know the WAVE STATE AND LANE STATE of of solo laners does my toplaner need help pushing do i need to cover for my midlaner so he won't get dived etc, support is like that but far less taxing mentaly, as jungler you have to keep track of the whole game wich is a lot
Jungle is also the role that has evolved most and most frequently. A season four jungler looks around now and questions wtf different dragons do, the point of grubs and where is the wraith or elder lizard. This season we have three different barons. You can pilot the herald. Exploding plants? Its wild. Support is basically the same since season 3 by comparison.
Support main here, I can assure you support is completely different from season 3 (I started playing on season 5). I completely agree that jungle is the role that changed the most over time, but support is the second one at that. Keep in mind that we need to rotate for the same objectives that you guys have to worry about, and (just like jungle) we are the only other role with items designed specifically for the role and I can assure you that they changed completely a few times from season 5. All of that being said, jungle changes the most and the most often out of all the roles.
@@MattHatter360I remember back to when support got one item and it was wards lmao
The worst part of being a jungler is getting reported and subsequently restricted because you didn't gank an Olaf that was hugging the enemy tower when dragon was up
I think another thing that burns my britches about jungling is the xp (or lack there of). I started playing on the mid to end of season 12 and at the time I hated but now looking back at it I enjoy how unforgiving it was but everything was worth more. I spent countless hours trying to perfect double camping and speed clears only for them to implement that stupid no double camping mechanic and removed heal off smite in S13.
Jungle is a speed game, a lot of times a jungle wins, whoever has the tools to clear the objectives faster. And that can be overwhelming if you are in the wrong place in the wrong time. Example a Shaco starting grubs, while a Warwick is ganking the mid has to think is is worth the effort to risk it, knowing you don't have the speed to even get to the fight, or continuing with the farming
real. I definitely agree with this. although if you’re that Shaco, you would be around level 4-5 when ur taking grubbies and Shaco W rank 2 or 3 DESTROYS first spawn grubs. So all is not lost; maybe you’re relatively at the same speed as the ww ganking mid which could mean you can either join the fight if it’s still going on or potentially invade the ww and punish since Shaco is one of the best counter junglers rn.
Jungle being the most versatile role is also a double edged word. You can’t one trick the jungle, you have to be the composition completer. If there’s no tank you have to play the tank, no assassin you have to play the assassin, no magic damage you have to play magic damage (that last one feels like it’s the most common). This is why I feel like riot needs to make the other roles more diverse especially adc, to increase there impact and not make the jungle solely in charge of covering the weaknesses of the team
They dont want adc to be diverse, they nerfed sera into the ground because she was played bot too often.
But... they aren't? Mid has: assassins (ap and ad), ranged mages, fighters as well (yasuo, irelia, diana etc), support has tanks and mages.. top has all of the above lol. You could make this argument for any role that isn't adc tbh. Not many tanks mid tho without some offmeta thing (galio? vlad maybe?) but in that case there are tanks in top and sup. Plenty of people 1 trick the jg just like people 1 trick other roles regardless of matchups or teamcomp lol
fwiw botlane has plenty of both AP and even bruisers viable (courtesy of Senna existing letting a lot of bruiser/tanks able to basically be played botlane). Just most adc players are ... well... only capable of playing adcs and just don't know how to play other classes. Riot has already succeeded in making a bunch of "non marksmen" viable botlane (including Seraphine btw, she still has very high botlaner winrate), it's just that most adc players just... aren't capable of playing them
This couldnt be further from the truth. Jungle is the best role to one trick, you do not need to fill to your teams composition. The only thing with jungle is your win condition and the path to winning changes drastically depending on your team vs the enemy teams composition. If your comp sucks you just skirmish and avoid team fights, theres multiple objectives on the map at one given time theres no way the enemy team can afford to roam around as a group. If your team comp is good you focus on teamfighting. They are just different win conditions.
@@SoupTurtle16 I should clarify that I didn’t mean that as to say that one tricking isn’t an option, meant it as it will be harder than in other roles since generally in other roles the spread of champions is smaller in diversity with the exception of midlane which can cause problems when your team goes full AD with no tanks. And the enemy composition if better generally (unless the players are just bad) will leave little room to exploit any weaknesses to get the objectives in the first place. I see your point I just don’t think avoiding skirmishes particularly in longer games is very realistic in solo queue
Before i watch the video: i actually used to main adc before i recognized that my micro is probably too bad for it and switched to jungle for more macro-oriented play. And it feels far better to be honest than 0/10 before the laning phase even ends. I still have my bad games, but i also feel finally useful. I have time to think about my next play and just in general i like having some time free from the enemy. I feel like i plan, like i strategize, and It's just way more enjoyable for me personally. The wildcard aspect is also very interesting because jungle can basically be any kind of champ, which is good for counterpicking. Winning the game before it even starts is so satisfying. Edit: It might be the most mentally exhausting role in the game, but this only counts for macro-mental. Micro-mental is also very exhausting and depending on the player even worse than Macro, so there is a niche market for more macro thinking players.
I would say support in a few seasons ago was much like jungle: they are expected to protect the adc, roam, get vision, somehow win fights/save people, match enemy support and so on - Junglers now have more expectations because, unlike supports, they get an "easier" way to items, is not tied to a teammate, needs to appear for neutral objectives because smite, have less vision yet need to respond to enemy jungler - all of which makes it kinda rng if you play early game lee sin and others, and frustrating for the other 4 members if you want to power farm like yi or kindred
As a support main I'd agree with this, your scaling is inherently tied to someone who might very well play like they just had a lobotomy, bar a few permanent roamers, especially painful for hard scaling enchanters who require items (playing a sona with a ADC who just runs it down is pure pain as you can't even wave clear well). Jungle doesn't have that excuse, they have far more independent access to gold and additional buffs handed to them in order to farm efficiently without a minion wave to soak.
"report support, no item after 15 minutes"
The weird thing about support is that a good support IS a second jungler. As their both roles that want the exact same thing except one has far more expectations.
The difference being is that supports SOMETIMES are expected to do some of those things. While the jungler has to do always all of the above.
thats because junglers are often given more resources and independence than sup, which naturally means higher expectations
The most annoying part about the role by far is your team thinking you can do everything yourself. The amount of times i tell someone I can't gank them because they don't even try to clear vision or buy a single control ward drives me insane. I need help setting up an objective? Sorry mid laner needed that extra caster minion instead of helping me with the 2v1 in river. Dragon is up but bot did not even set up a single ward for it? Guess its my fault for not placing 10 control wards before hand
Bro.. I rarely ever.. And I mean ever.. In platinum 3 get a support who actuslly uses the wards.. its disgusting
My friends insist jungle would be perfect for me because there "would be no lane opponent." (I complain about champ design often.) Yeah, man. Let me play the role where my opponent tracks me like a UAV while I constantly get indecisive about what to do because the role is open-ended as hell. That definitely won't lead to frustration.
Just make wrong decisions confidently
Huge skill issue
@@cahallo5964 Keep parroting that. Being capable of something doesn't automatically make it fun. Jungle, or any role in League, isn't universally fun. Not everyone will enjoy every role, or champ for that matter, regardless of how well they perform with it.
I mained jg last season but now sup with jg secondary. The main issue i have with jg is mental fatigue. Those games where your top laner dies 3 times before you even get the raptors. Those games where your team flames you for not ganking a monster of their own creation. Having to know what timings are coming up, tracking where everyone is, and so much more is so mentally exhausting
True, but jungle macro is much more fun than laning macro, where you focus on wave management.
I agree that jg marco is way more fun. I don't wanna care about cs I wanna farm then go fight people. It's just that the curse of having game sense and map awareness is seeing all the cringe stuff your team does
I get this. But as a tip (for all of league, not just jungle) turn off chat. Just do it. It's a net negative imo. For all the info it might give it takes its toll on you tenfold. Besides, pings work fine.
Jungle is the role with the most impact in the game, but at the same time it’s the most impacted one by the other roles.
Perfect way to put it
Dear jungle mains and support mains, I truly deeply and sincerely appreciate you and your time, essentially holding the blame and pain from the rest of the team. I’m sorry you have to carry such a burden, but just know that it isn’t without respect. Thank you for all your help and everything you do. Throwing no shade to other lanes as I’m a top lane main. We have our own pieces to the puzzle but I believe those two roles are the most pivotal. Love to everyone Sincerely, Top Laner
The comment you made about not being able to autopilot is so real. I can’t even listen to music when I jungle I feel like I have to use 100% of my brain to be competitive. Overcoming this took me a while to master but there’s so many micro decisions you have to make every game it’s insane.
I used to be a jungle main because laning felt boring. But after a while as I got better at the game and started fighting better players I realized I wasn't... Good enough to jungle well. It's very stressful, and there's a lot of things you need to keep track of. It's still my secondary role and I'm not bad at it, but Imma be real top is just way easier.
I'm a top main who started playing jungle because I got tired of jungle diff. I find jungle to be the easier role to play. Top is so punishing, one mistake and it's over
@@uros5530true. Top will snowball to hell and you can’t do anything. You can fuck up in jungle but still gank other lanes and get team ahead.
I find top easier tbh, from playing jungle I developed good macro, and I know not all junglera know how to manage waves too and i generally don’t have a problem with ganks because I am so used to the timings of enemy jungler sand play patterns I end up just wasting 2 players time instead of 1 trying to fight me
I find that jungle is easier to understand but a hard role to truly master, theirs so many more mind games to it, you don’t just understand how your lane works and the champions within the pools and their match up tables so that you know who to gank their power spikes and when it is safe to gank a lane on top of objectives and making sure that you are able to fame up as well
And you need to understand if the enemy will try to gank you early aka predator jungler and or go for the early gank, it requires you to have a very good understanding as well as keep an eye on the map constantly, or if they don’t fight you early on as your opponent may believe that your play to your strengths so they farm up early instead and you yourself may potentially slow down your farm or prepare yourself for a gank and or to gank yourself you might fill behind those junglera who then may be ahead of you now and try to fight you in your jungle now
as a jungle main. I think the best thing you can ever do is mute all. No matter what you will do unfortunately people will flame, but it comes with the role. If you mute all you can keep your head in the game and make decisions from your own knowledge that you can then iterate on as you learn right and wrong. If you have pings and comments on you never will know if you are making good or bad plays because its all influenced by your teams pings, you need to establish a good internal thermometer on what is a good and bad play.
jungle also has the issue that riot keeps reworking the jungle on a fundamental level like every year making it way harder to learn since it changes all the time
Jungle truly is at the very least somewhat luck based. You can play one game, win, play a next game, same champs, same pathing, same strategy and still end up losing
8:20 me trying to find a job, I need experience for a job, but I need a job to get experience.
Except you can just start jungling. So it's like jumping into an executive position without experience and getting slapped around by everyone for your fuck ups. The worst part is, you cannot learn from what your laners blame you for, they are also wrong. You need to somehow figure out what to do with very little actually useful help
The worst part about being a jungle main is the fact that if you don't go 13/0 in the first 30 seconds of the game, you fall behind. There was a video I watched of a high elo jungle player where he went 4/1 10 minutes in and he had completed 1 and 1/2 items. Meanwhile, his 0/4 Ashe ADC had the same farm as the jungle and the same item progression. The fact that jungle can farm perfectly, get kills in lanes, put their laners in a winning position, get objectives, etc. Yet a losing lane can still keep up in gold by just having equal farm. Jungle camps don't give enough gold
I love it when i'm still doing my first clear in the jungle and i already get flamed because one of the lanes died because they took a bad fight early.
2:36 minute mark. An ally has been slain. Enemy double kill. Oh here we go again... Mute mute mute mute
One of the problems with jungle is it changes all the time
The scapegoat role !
In my experience, a lot of laners don't actually respect the jungler's decisions or understand why they may not do something even if given the chance. For example. Laning versus Darius or Illaoi, the jungler may not feel comfortable ganking them, yet players will spam ping them and request they gank them even at a disadvantage to the jungler because of the potential of a 2 v 1 when they can just keep farming. They therefore begin to flame their jungler when they don't take the option of simply ganking them. They fail to notice alternative routes like requesting the jungler absorb their wave instead while they back or perhaps the jungler is needed elsewhere and when they butthead with the junglers, they may start just ignoring each other entirely.
Ganking a darius or Illaoi is PTSD enducing espcially at the level 5 range where they have the potential to reach 6
Nothing makes my blood boil more than someone in my team making calls about objectives. Specifically baron. People often just cant comprehend how hard it is sometimes to secure it even with a gigantic lead over the other team. Not even a trolling, feeding or toxic laner is more infuriating than one that makes calls about objectives from their narrow and selfish point of view.
I avoid it because the role feels too complicated. One wrong movie and everyone on my team acts like I kicked them.
As a Support main who has branched out to learn every role: Jungle struggles from being the most impactful role in the entire game. If we had 2-1-2 instead of a Jungle, I feel the game wouldn't feel nearly as bad because you lack the one person who is expected to get objectives to progress the game while ganking lanes to push your laners ahead. Jungle has tons of things it HAS to do in order to impact the game, so it's not at all surprising how hated it is. Both from being ganked and not being ganked.
If you’re playing jungle, prepare for the mental breakdown of multiple people, even if youre 20/5 and have gotten all important obj, the moment one of them die to a simple gank they will flame you to high heavens *man i love league*
another huge problem i feel like i see as a jng main is the sheer ammount of people that act like they could play jng so much better then you yet these same people dodge if they get filled jng because there scared of the pressure that comes with the role.
i loved jungle until season 6. then the fact that i had to tear everything up every year and re learn how to jungle made me give up league entirely. now im a mid laner and i am so much happier because when the season changes i dont have to learn a new game.
Jungle is the most abused, but support is the most under appreciated role. Can’t wait to see your video on supports. RIP Rell jungle
nah I think jungle is both the most abused and under appreciated role. Every support main I know has honor level 4-5 because everyone defaults to honoring the support. Just like when a jungler sets up a triple kill for yasuo you get hit with the Nice Yasuo! hard carry!
@@glenndiddy As a support, you will still get the same end result. You set up a teammate for a triple/quadra kill, and no one bats an eye at you. The honor usually goes to the one who you set up for those kills Jungle and support are both roles that get their spotlight taken away from in that aspect For the honor level, it is kind of an unwritten rule that support and adc honors each other, that def plays into that aspect. All in all, I think both roles are under appreciated, but jungle mains get the blame from the lanes when the match is lost. I have seen way more people blame and flame the jungler than the support
In my experience of being a jungle main since I started playing in season 11, the main issue is the role being so important and versatile, to a point where only a jungler can understand what you have to do, therefore you can make every single right decision in your game and still be flamed by your laners because from their POV you were never here when they needed to Also, toxicity need to be adressed, I can play horribly midlane being 0/5/0 at 8 minutes but it's okay if I play a scaling champ, I won't be verbally harassed by the team before having the "Defeat" appear on the screen, meanwhile a jungler can have his whole family tree COOKED from the 3rd minute because the laners didn't respect the gank timing and the enemy snowballed from here
Great video, really learnes something new. Thank you Talon!
jungler is like playing a chess but share your turns with AI and AI plays 5 turns and you play 6th turn. you decide what you sacrifice and call for objectives by being at objectives, but you can only decide so much as other 4 players got their own ideas too. you sacrifice other pieces sometimes and position others to winning position.
Babysitting 4 people and trying to be a people pleaser so they don’t decide to run it down, while power farming will keep you 2 levels down on the toplaner
The smite aspect is so damn true... stomping a lane but still being at risk of losing that sides objective cause the jungler wont come is beyond frustrating - I wonder what would happen if smite stopped working on epic monsters ... absolute chaos and Im all for it
Nobody wants to play jungle because it’s not nearly as strong as people think it is if you play carry champs. You can be farming camps off spawn, 4 kills, 2 objectives, and enemy top laner 0/0/0 is up 3 levels on you and you cannot interact with them without your team helping you. Not to mention enemy jg will only be down 1 level on you because catch up EXP ruined the role. If this kind of lead happened in top lane game is 99% over…you’re up 3 levels and 5 plates on the entire lobby and you can probably 1v3. If you don’t have mid prio the game is unplayable, if enemy support actually leaves lane game is unplayable, there is straight up less CS available to get in the jungle, camp EXP is way lower than wave EXP, getting ganked is your own fault 90% of the time, gank timers can be known most laners just do whatever with their waves don’t ward and get mad if they get punished, you get out scaled by solo lane and ADC if they have peel, your summoner spell deals 20 damage when laners get TELEPORT which just erases mistakes or gives huge advantages late game and EXHAUST and GHOST, laners afk in fountain and under tower 9/10 games and ruin the early game and expose you to huge risk as a jungler…you mentioned it too but laners have so much brain rot on objective fights. We can be up 15k gold and my team will still try to flip baron when enemy jungler is alive and contesting. If you’re way stronger you don’t give the losing team a 50/50 opportunity. But no all my jungle expertsteammates who don’t play the role disagree and try to burst it as soon as enemy jg jumps in the pit…when we don’t even need to hit it… There’s plenty of real weaknesses to jungle but nobody can’t acknowledge it. People still die to shyvana ganks at 3:30 and get shocked. It’s just jungle is OP, I have no lane fundamentals or concept of how the jungle works, phreak pls nerf brain rot from the community EDIT: Bel’veth is disgusting broken, utility slave junglers are also broken but they need to be tuned instead of removing power from the role
Nobody wishes to play jungle for the same reason we all play league of legends: avoiding responsibilities.
Your points on win condition not being determined by the jungler was insightful and I never put it this aptly
How many people want dragon / void grubs / rift herald? How many people want to leave their lane to help secure the objective?
Just wanted to say I love your videos Vars! You're one of my biggest inspirations in video creation, hopefully one day I'll be able to create the same level of quality I see in your videos 💙
the times i have used that sentence “It is not my job to win lanes for you" people expect the jungler to to solo their fed laner for fun while being underleveled and no items to speak off
Yeah but you also can't use that role to not gank when an opportunity prevents itself. I cannot tell you how many times we're pushed under tower cuz the enemy bot has more pressure power but isn't fed and the jungle just hits us with that accursed phrase.
Jg: 23/1/3 Solo 3 dragons, get 2 barons. Adc: 0/40/0, 2 cs, fighting 1v5. Team: Lost. Also team: Jg diff
I used to main jungle in the early days of LoL and it was great, the game was slower and the jungle made your champions design matter. Nowdays you need to play like a hyperactive squirrel after 3 cans of redbull and in the end you're still depending on the rest of your team to even play past the earlygame. Riot also doesn't mind flat out adding/removing champions from jungle as they did with Rell recently. Also, my old jungle champs got turned into something else (Aatrox/WW) and others feel like they can't keep up with league of dashes (Nasus/Fiddle).
Gotta say i enjoyed the text on screen every now and then. Not sure why, but it was nice.
12:00 Amount of Ults that can steal objectives is huge. I stole a lot using Lux or Zyra as supp.
There is a reason I only play norms with friends now. Solo queuing as jungle is one of the most unpleasant gaming experiences a person can have
As a full time jungle main, this video tells me everything I've been saying for years. But, at the same time, it will never educate the masses because they're not mature enough to be able to take partial blame in a team game.
I used to main jungle but I just got bored that riot changed my rol every single season for no reason
I hate jungle because when someone loses a 1v1 or has to go back because they lost a trade badly, they look at the map to see what I'm doing as opposed to themselves to see how they could've played that better. Then, since I'm not babysitting them, they yell at me in chat. No thanks.
I was the one typing jg diff until I picked it up, got dog walked for a while, but it showed me map awareness, and usually when I'm losing lane its almost always my fault. Jg diff stills get thrown out every once in a while.
I really don't understand the colossal expectations that are being placed on Jungler's. They have to gank you, secure objectives, order you a pizza, do your dishes, and drop off your kid at daycare. It'd be good if people showed a bit more restrained.
And right when I was considering maining jg for the next rank split because of Lee sins ASU and curiosity this video pops up in my notifications thanks Vars
I’m a support main that gets filled to jungle more often than I get to play support. It’s become my second best role from the constant filling. Jungle is easier than it has ever been before right now, and the more calm you remain the more control you will feel you have over the game. Easier said than done though. You have to have thicker skin to shrug off the senseless insults people will throw at you and tunnel vision on the win.
One of the reasons I played a lot of Cho'Gath in the toplane back then was that from lvl 6 and onwards my team was not dependant on Jungler for securing objectives. Moreover - Cho's R has much more damage than a real Smite. So I can outplay even an enemy Jungler.
I've played jungle since I started League on the patch Zed released. All my friends already decided roles they wanted and I was effectively forced into it, beginning it with Elise, Udyr, and Diana. And you're right, I can't really explain how to jungle, I just kind of intrinsically know what I want to do in each situation based on countless hours of playing the role, and even that differs from player to player. In the event I get autofilled or put into my secondary role, it hurts to watch whoever has jungle do things either differently or just badly. For me, I feel like I have the most control over the outcome of a game as jungle and don't like the lack of it when playing other roles. I think the key is to practice what you can control. Clear speed, pathing, going for objectives, etc. Best way to keep your team from getting to you is mute them the moment you think they're being toxic, and keep all chat disabled. It will only make you upset and play worse. If you're coming from another role, find a champion whose skillset overlaps with what you're good at. Try to eliminate the random factor of your teammates skill levels as much as you can until you can climb to a level where they're relatively consistent. I'll be honest, jungle requires the most amount of work, knowledge, and practice, but the control it offers once you get decent at it is worth it.
Since I came back to league after 5 years, a few months ago, I decided I wanted to try new roles, since I almost always played top, so almost every match I go with autofill, wich led me to playing support and jungle almost every time, a few times as adc and almost never, actually anecdotic, a top or a mid. From this experience I've got to love almost every role and enjoy the strengths and weaknesses of every role and how important and frustrating can a jungler be in a match, like you said, for both the player and the team, I myself enjoy the role, but had some of the worst times being absolutely impossible to compensate your teams decisions, how they all expect you to be where they need you all the time, and how they do absolutely no cooperation when it comes to making possible the objectives of even giving a certain lane some advantage On the other side, the famous "jg diff" can be ridiculous with how strategic a jungler can be, using his advantages and abusing his opponent weaknesses, either by punishing the lack of attention to laners or objectives All of that in conjunction makes the jungle experience a pain in the ass for everyone involved, specially players who don't main that role
I started jungle this season and I am loving it. I just wish I don't face the same 5 junglers every game.
People think that Jng players are Magicians who can be everywhere at any time .
I honestly just started telling people they don't need ganks, they need jesus, because a miracle is the only thing that can save that lane
There is also the expectation that when you're getting pushed in, that the jungler is supposed to relieve the pressure off you so that you can farm and maybe pick up a kill if the enemy laner is on your side before backing or risk losing lead due to plate gold and lost farm.
The argument about preventing long queue times can be seen with World of Warcraft where you're often waiting for, you guessed it, tanks and healers - basically the WoW version of a jungler and support. It's weird how they're in demand in multiple different games even when the role varies between them. Overwatch sees similar as well with longer queues for more DPS oriented roles.
Cuz everyone just wants to do beeeg damage
One thing that makes juggling such a difficult role to learn is the fact that "the right thing" to do changes from game to game, and depends a lot on what the laner actually wants. As a midlaner, I typically play safe and mostly focus on farming in the early game, and do not wish my jungler to have to gank my lane once every 2 minutes. But other midlaners will definitely have different preferences and play styles, and therefore wish their jungler to interact with them differently.
As a jungle main for the past 7 seasons with a few hundred hours of experience I'm quite experienced in the role. Jungle is the role where you have the potential to be the most impactful role in the game if you're securing objectives, not dying, getting successful ganks and always being there for important skirmishes. But at the same time you can get repeat invaded and not have any of your laners help, you can fail to get objectives, get killed while trying to do them, or just have multiple ganks that don't pan out, and all of these things can happen through seemingly no fault of your own. Jungle is a role that requires near constant presence of mind, macro awareness and mechanical skill in order to perform well at. It's extremeley demanding but also rewarding to master. But there's a constant pressure to perform far beyond what's expected of the other roles, which gets menally exhausting. And that's not even getting into the finger pointing and blaming. Adding onto all of this is that it gets significant changes every couple of months. Outside of system wide changes, even something as simple as a small nerf to a meta jungler's damage can significantly alter their clear speed or ability to fight the enemy jungler off an objective. So you can't rely as much on mechanical skill or comfort with a champion as you could with lanes. Add onto that a sort of unspoken expectation for the jungler to fill in gaps in team composition it inevitably feels like you have to pilot a very wide pool of champions of various classes all in the same role
My experience as a jungle main in a nutshell: If we win "Won despite Jungle", if we lose "Lost because jungle". It doesn't matter if I had a bad game, middle game or good game, most of the times every bad thing happening gets blamed on you, every good thing happening often gets seen as happening despite of you. You really need to learn to ignore what your own team says to be able to keep playing jungle.
i started playing in 1st season. main mid. by season 2/3 it got so hard to get mid i started playing jungle. before invading was a regular thing. (i dont play anymore btw quit in season 5, dabbled in szn 8) but anyways i started playing jungle lee sin, khazix, & shaco. it carried me from gold 4 to plat. that's all thanks to
As a Shaco jungle onetrick, saying jungle is the “wild card” role is 100 percent correct. But doubly so for a character like Shaco; he can go assassin, crit, bruiser, ap assassin, and even ap support all within the jungle. Yeah sure his main play style is lethality assassin, but what I love doing is counter building the enemy. They’ve got lots of dive/melee fighters? Juice out AP and ability haste. Lots of tanks? Liandrys rush + magic pen. No tanks? Full crit >:) Shaco being a “wildcard” character in a wildcard role definitely suits him. It’s so fun to play each game differently not only within the jungle role but also with my build paths.
Noone can secure jungle objectives except the jungle. . . Cho'gath :AM I A JOKE TO YOU?!?!?
Zoe Q hitting for 1700, Lux E R bursting for 2000+, Jinx R hitting over 1000 easily in the mid to late game, Jhin 4th shot or 4th R hitting 1500+, Sett W doing 1000+ true damage. Then you still have all late game mages who are able to burst for at least 800-1000 damage in a split second combo, while you have to calculate the dps to perfectly smite at 1200. If you smite at 1201 you lose, but if you smite at 1000 or lower, you also risk losing. Doing an objective while the enemy is actively contesting is one of the hardest, and also luck based things in a junglers life. While also being the thing you get blamed for the most
as someone who played all roles, on top of it your jg experience highly differs with dfifferent champion and most of the large changes affect jg as a whole so its gets chaotic easily
Been trying to play jungle because I love Rengar and as a main Ezreal for almost 8 seasons minimum I can confirm it's one of the most in game rewarding yet socially stressing experiences I've felt in my life and that accounting I mainly just play quick play and normals. Never been so flamed like the past month
I’ve been playing for 2 years and jungle is by far my favorite role. I honestly hate laneing, I don’t want to worry about last hitting every minion while trying to fight off / dodge the enemy at the same time. Yeah I can get invaded but that is far less stressful to me since it’s either a shorter fight or they already stole it. And with how I play JG I honestly never expect my team to help me with anything. So it’s just a nice bonus when they actually do.
0:28 Im a person that queues up with nearly only autofill in solo queue for years now (gold to emerald elo). The exceptions are if I get bored getting the same role over 5 times in a row, usually you get a second role every 4th game. So all in all, I would say I can tell you the ranking over the years is more like: jungle -> top -> support -> adc -> mid. But here are the exclaimers to that ranking. It is heavily dependent on the patch. But the percentage value of what role you will get is actually kind of the same, independent to what patch you are on. Like mid is 1% max, the highest role of the patch (currently jungle) is at about 60%, the second highest role about 20% and the other two share the rest. Edit: Didnt watch the complete video when writing, so I cant let the table at 2:36 be like that. My point still stands, since the sources I found are pretty old and only focus on a small span of patches. But its interesting to see that my patch independent percentage values are kind of correct too.
Does autofilling happen at higher or lower frequency in high elo? And is there a role breakdown of autfill % across elos?! Great vid! Love your stuff.
Here down under, botlane is our most autofilled role with jg second. I rarely see support getting autofilled.
I love playing jungle and it has been my main role for years, but honestly you cannot play it without /muteall. It is the true 1v9 experience even when I wish it was not. No matter how calm you are, being constantly forced to accept all the shit that laners spew on you, takes its toll.
@3:14 Baus viewer had me cacklin'
The number of games where my team ff's 4/1 and the game is completely winnable. Laners often don't see the big picture, where as the jungler, it's your entire job.
Honestly, 90% of the junglers i have are the most elo inflated people its unreal.
They should receive a sort of love that supports get. More viable ways to give back to the team and more interesting jungle pets that allow for new strategies. And we can tell they've been doing this in small ways, like iverns old passive becoming just baseline for all jgs and the baron version of the buffs. Just like supports it would interesting if they had their own set of items in the shop unique to their position like say wardstone for a start.
I main support, but originally wanted to jungle, before I just got flamed to hell continuosly. That is also the reason why I am usually the one who will tell the mid/adc to shut up when they start flaming the jungle. A lot of the time I feel like I'm babysitting my adc, so big respect for every jungle main for doing the same but for the whole team