The Murder of Jackie Vandagriff | Full Episode
After a chance encounter at a bar a college student is murdered. Was it because she resembled the killer’s ex? CBS News chief investigative and senior national correspondent Jim Axelrod reports for "48 Hours." Watch more full episodes of "48 Hours" on Pluto TV.
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I wait to long for an upload ,we need an new case everyday please
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Why do they keep telling us how much Caitlin and Jackie looked alike, when that is so obviously untrue? They look _nothing_ like each other.
I thought the same. Very odd statement.
nope,- one is brunette, brown eyed, the other blonde with blue/green eyes...
I thought it could be regarding their personality.. maybe they were very similar in the way they moved, laughed or something
I agree. They look nothing like each other!
I felt like they talked about her too much 😕
This is the 1st time I've seen an officer actually care about the victim of a stalker and take action. We need more officers like Captain Polk 👏
You have to watch more true crime documentaries because there are a lot of detectives who do the same thing. They devote years of their lives to solving a case and can finally let their emotions go.
I've seen and watched so many care about stalkers.. there's some who don't, but alot do😊
His level of concern and foresight is amazing. He needs to be teaching other officers!
@@moselleconger4156 I agree, most cases have a leading detective or other law enforcement that is pushing until they get justice for a victim. I’ve seen so many detectives cry talking about cases that will stick with them until the day they die. You always hear them comparing victims to their own kids and how they would feel if it happened to the own child or family.. that tends to be a driving force behind a lot of the determination for justice.
Bless his heart
I wanted to know more about Jackie but they focused so much on Caitlyn, you'd think she was Jackie herself. I understand her connection to the murderer. Still, they could have talked more about Jackie and her disappearance and her family.
Agree
Came here to say this. Feels wrong to talk more about what "could have happened" to one girl vs. What actually happened to jackie. Barely even gave a backstory.
But there was no story of Jackie and Charles...he found her one night and killed her the same night...Caitlyn had a series of interactions with him...would Jackie's mother know about Charles? Would there be a history of her trying to get away from him? Did Jackie have a bad feeling about Charles? The producers told everything about Jackie that had to do with the subject of the story (Charles)...
I agree
Ikr 😢😅
You buy a shovel at 4 AM… at Walmart… you’re burying a body. 😑
EXACTLY.. who is he fooling smh
Exactly!Walmart should alert law enforcement about suspicious purchases like this
@@TransparentUtoptia see something, say something!
You mean there are no lawncare services that follow the schedule of a vampire? 😂🤣😅
Hey what if I wanna dig up some turnips?
They dated for less than THREE MONTHS and he was already this crazy and attached to her.
I have a friend who went through something similar. She dated a guy for 2 months; he stalked her for the next 10 years. Didn't stop till her stalker died. If he were still alive today, I know, he'd still be stalking her. Absolute leach.
Classic Narcissist
Coercive control
I'm in awe of her because she was able to see through his manipulation at her young age in less than 3 months! I commend her for that... ❤ It literally saved her life! And I also commend her mother for the wonderful upbringing. The trust and respect she gave her child really paid off, her daughter doesn't put up with the wild behavior of narcissistic men.
Scary and it could be a week and have this happen.
Do not trust people you just met. Do not get in cars with strangers. Do not rush into relationships because you're lonely. It is not worth it!
I'd add one more Do Not to the list: DO NOT accept friend requests from strangers. No matter how many "mutual friends" you might have. Mutual friends??? Yeah right.....mutual friends are like 40th cousins....
Insane. Her roommate is like ‘oh, she thought he would drop her off’ We all know what they were going to do. Why women put themselves in these positions is mind boggling I wish we could take out every type of guy like this but we just can’t
@@hollyhumbyrd3362 your response is pure gold because I have been in abusive relationships and many of their friends had no idea. Either they say the abuser is the sweetest person or the abuser hides their past and abuse from their friends. Sad but very true.
@@hollyhumbyrd3362 and also to the "mutual friends" on social media, people have no idea who they are friending half the time and just want more and more friends. I met a guy who had like 30 mutual friends. He turned out to be completely nuts and on the s** offender list. And he asked me to go to a private place with him. Luckily, I had some sense that time.
@@countof3everybodyOD I agree with you. Unfortunately, casual affairs are so normalized and it's so sad to me because it's such a risky practice.
The campus police officer saved her life!! He was so protective of her - what a great officer
And it never occured to you he wants to get layed, hmmm?
@@StofStuiver…do you always assume the worst of people?
@minini5571 No, just what people who don't get laid say. I'd be scared to date stofstuiver yikes
@@minini5571 I know humans. And i know police.
@@StofStuiverYou’re mental
She was my friend and coworker. We all still miss her so much 😞.
Im sorry for your loss.
My condolences 💙😢🙏🏽
So sorry for your loss ❤❤
Just watching but so sorry ❤
Im so sorry
Such a contrast between the way the work manager reacted and the way the university policeman reacted… Love that he took a woman’s fears so seriously…
That campus police officer was right on the money. He knew the guy was bad news.
Perhaps the restaurant manager is one of those lame Podcast guys who thinks that all Women are melodramatic.
My very first thought!
Seriously. That manager made a mistake. I work in a coffeeshop with mainly girls, and safety from stalkers is of the utmost importance. Evil men need to know their victims are worth standing up for.
@@julieoluna8887 they aren’t? 🤔
The justice system needs to get tougher on people that stalk. He was able to get out on a $5,000 bond after repeatedly stalking Caitlin.
Right on. Lock them up
I was just thinking that it would save lives, and police time, if they just came down hard the first time they found someone where they shouldn't be.
Complain to the Democratic Party today they release offenders with no bail. Check out NY and CA for example.
And that some of his friends approached her and say she "need to have those charges dropped"!! I recalled something similar of a MO of a british case, the stalking guy got a new gf to befriend the victim on facebook (he had claimed that the victim who was stalked him postedlies etc about him and his new gf to help him catch it!). People can be so gullible when the helping the stalker.
What’s horrific thing to go through and live through. Deepest condolences to everyone affected.
The two girls do not resemble one another. He is SO. CREEPY. What an evil soul..
Imagine being the employee at 4am seeing this man buying a shovel. 😮
Was thinking the same thing. If I ran Walmart, I'd make it a policy not to sell shovels, garbage bags, duct tape, zip ties, saws, or knives after dark, I think. 🤨
Ive thought about seeing peoples reaction to that by going into a walmart at 2-3 am and buying buckets of bleach, a shovel, and various other cleaning supplies. im not actually doing anything wrong, just wanna see how people react lol
They should def ask you for an ID, if you buying any cleaning, digging or cutting supply after 12am for sure!
@@bankait_rex1860that’s such a good idea
There needs to be laws in place where you get no bond when you're arrested for violating these orders. NO BOND.
Great comment 👍
Agreed. Not going to stop stalkers.
If u put them on probation then they violate and go to jail without bond. But these creeps don't get harsh sentences then petty crimes it's sad
Stalkers, rapists and domestic abuse preparators shouldn't be allowed ANY bond at all
@@morganablackwater2017 So, guilty until proven innocent? Genius! I'm sure that every woman that reports a stalker will do so with the utmost truth and integrity. 🤣
Just LOVE the campus police officer and all of his efforts..so many lives could have been saved if other officers cared like this one
I would been a better bf for her
That’s true I’ve seen so many other programs where the police did not react and The consequences were deadly
@@population-_-420 You be creepy
100% agree
May Jackie Vandagriff rest in peace and my condolence to her family
Caitlyn I’m sure you won’t see this but man am I proud of you. You’re here today because you were smart enough to pay attention to the warning signs! Thank you for listening to your mama and your intuition. I hope you are proud of yourself.
The fact he sent that Friend request was diabolical. 😮
Yeah seriously thats very messed up
It's also beyond creepy that he posted that weird message that looked like Jackie posted to her FB page about how she was head over heels or something -- he was putting words in her mouth after he KILLED her!?
@@janethalken8269 "Never thought I could feel like this", guy's a sicko
@@kittykat8177 This demon is a literal pyschopath
I was thinking the same thing!
I cannot believe the way this policeman protected this girl! This really is unheard of! He actually saved her life. I’m sure! That’s a true man!
That is of course unless she was fat, black or old. Not all women get treated the same
@@monicadonnelly4991 Or too skinny or not beautiful or a attractive looking enough.
u ever think that old police officer just wanted to smash caitlin or sumtin? smh yall makin dude out to be such a hero
yes Michelle ,and can i have fries with that?
@@waspaziansure, you can!
It's rare to see so many caring cops. Watching so many of the 48 hrs episodes, they often bungle the cases, but some really good ones involved in this case, especially the campus police officer who listened to the young woman.
That's the key: He LISTENED to her; and he BELIEVED her. I hope this case becomes part of every law enforcement training program in the country.
If I'm working at Walmart & someone comes in at 4AM & only buys a shovel..... I'm calling the police!
Agreed!
You don't call the police about weird purchases at 4 am. That helps a cop do absolutely nothing and waste time. Go ahead and call 911 over a shovel purchase and see what happens.
Eligible for parole after 30 yrs!? After he cut her up buried her and didn’t show a bit of remorse! Just absolutely pathetic 🤦♂️
The good news is that Texas generally will not let these guys out even once the 30 years is up.
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Yet some people are doing life without parole for trafficking pot
It takes a village of gutless men to want the police and courts to handle creeps like this, exclusively.
Hopefully the pyscho meets his match in prison, and gets what he deserves
“People do not change….you cannot change him.” Wise words to live by.
"You cannot change people, but people can change," is more accurate.
Women always think they can change him because they think they are so special.
@@matchhunter7012 lol
Not really wise words people can change
@@joshmoreno7041once you’re 30 years old your personality doesn’t change. It’s ingrained.
Please do another show and focus on Jackie, she deserves to have her story told as well, that detective cried when he talked about attending her memorial that in itself shows you there was a lot you could have told us about the life she lived .. Balance was needed here...
You're being overly sensitive. Jackie does not need an essay about her life and nobody on these shows gets an episode devoted to their life. Everyone here is here to listen to a story about a CRIME, we are not here for a memorial service. Both girls were victims of something and one is here to tell us her story and one is not. We heard both.
@@hollydaugherty2620 You are being insensitive all together and I disagree with you on this one.....speak for yourself on why you come on here to watch these shows, I respect your opinion, but it's just that your opinion and that right there is mine....x
Any 30 year old going after a teenager is a creep. Major red flag!
That police man who looked after Caitlin is a real one. Protect him 💙
Does he do that for unattractive women? No. There’s a reason they’re called PIGS.
@@d.l.d.l.8140 hahahahaha I mean it’s possible but you don’t know whether he’d lookin after an ugly one or not
There are good people, police and otherwise. It's just unfortunate that the police force is where dirt bags tend to work because the hiring process doesn't do enough to vet these people. Maybe hes a good guy, maybe he did it because she's pretty. It's not fair to assume though without other information. Either way, Caitlyn is probably alive because he cared enough to do his job the right way. That's hardly ever the case with stalking victims. They usually wind up dead.
Oh please. If she were black or brown I guarandamntee you he wouldn’t have done the same.
As usual nothing happens until someone is seriously hurt or dies 😥
That’s how and when the legal system intervenes.
Exactly! He should’ve already been behind bars. If you can’t behave in normal society, you don’t get to live there. But no! Someone has to become a murderer before action is taken in almost all stalking cases! 🙄
Yep. Even if you have a restraining oder. I was told it's just paper and won't save your life!
Sometimes after 20 people die still investing
@@BELLA23384 so true! Lord, I made a rhyme. 🙄😂
STOP LETTING THESE GUYS OUT OF JAIL! How many women have to die!? How many??
It is refreshing to see a police officer care. I have watched so many ..especially in the UK...where they do nothing and it leads to homicide.
So you think he would equally care is she wasnt pretty huh?
@@StofStuiver You think he wouldn't?
@@stregalilith Indeed
There’s no resemblance at all between the two girls except their age and they go to college.. they definitely don’t look alike. One’s tall with dark hair and different facial features and the other was short with blonde hair at the time.. just was an excuse for prosecutors to make a comparison for the crime for a conviction
RIGHT! wtf Especially when she’s @ the bar..
I just said the same thing. I don't see it.
I was looking for this comment. Lolol they have their eyebrow lifted over their right eye, and BAM! TWINS 😂😅
@@salmonjanet haha😆
If you noticed they had Katelyn dye her hair blonde just for the trial to fool jurors and built on that phony premise.
I had a stalker. It’s unrelenting and terrifying. These sick individuals don’t stop. This has to be taken seriously. It’s too prevalent.
Same. And he's still stalking. It escalates.
I did as well, a female stalker. Had to take out a protection order on her after she threatened to have her brother un-alive me.
I had one as well until I started open carrying. The last time he came at me and I drew on him, he ran. I haven't seen hide nor hair of him since. It's been 10 years and I still keep my protection on me at all times, even in my own house.
Women need to take responsibility for treating men so badly and warping and playing with their emotions...
@@adambane1719 Please seek some help. It sounds as if you may need it. Stalking someone is not the answer to them mistreating you.
So terrifying. Thus young woman did nothing except walk in a bar and have a conversation with a man. Something millions have done. And she ends up murdered and found in such a horrific state.
She shudnt have left with a stranger
While I understand that Caitlin is a part of this story and what she has to say needs to be said I feel that this did an extreme Injustice to the memory into the life of Jackie Jackie is who was brutally taken from this Earth for simply being at the wrong place at the wrong time I don't feel 48 hours did her story any justice at all I am actually appalled by the fact that this seemed to be all about Caitlin
Right???
I completely agree
I know. I was looking for someone else to comment this. This is weird
Indeed
Yes!! Agree she was left aside this whole time
Immediate red flags that a 29 yr old man would be interested in an 18 yr old that quickly. This narcissistic type sees the opportunity for control and thinks that she can be manipulated with her inexperience.
You’re 100% correct. 30 year old men that date 18 year old girls have major personality issues, women need to stay away from them. It never ends well.
Facts but unfortunately some of the states in this country consented age is way below that. If something like this is to be prevented then those states have to mend those laws and put protective measures in place
She treated him like trash. She has just as much responsibility for it as he has !!
@@lamincamara8340 agreed! But we need to be taking care of our daughters so they don’t hook up with “bad boys”. These dynamics don’t “just happen. She thought she was all that with a guy who was 29 and showering her with gifts. Until it wasn’t. Yes, her naïveté almost cost her her life. Sadly, it cost Jackie hers. R.I.P. Jackie.
@ people use the word narcissist too loosely an 18 year old is an adult
How could her manager at the restaurant say “there’s nothing I can do.”about someone stalking on of their employees? You can refuse service to anyone for any reason.
Unfortunately some places give more craps about money than they do people! Have my own personal story.
Sadly, you can also get sued and many retail managers are not going to put the concerns of an employee over their own job. :(
Usually independent businesses would be more likely to help her out, but buffalo wild wings is a huge corporate chain so the dollar is going to come first sadly.
And I would have called police and quit right then and there. Left them in need of an employee 4 that night
Exactly
This man is so disturbing, so scary.
What a terible Job to be a Defense Lawyer and to try to get a Killer Free although knowing the Client is Guilty
That Buffalo wild wings manager sucks!!! That’s bull crap. I’ve had a guy that made me extremely uncomfortable for legit reasons, and my manager kicked him out and did not allow him to come back. They do have that ability.
Happened to me at work. Coworker threatened me because I turned him down. I contacted HR and they basically laughed at me. The abuse continued until the guy was arrested at work for something, can't remember what. We're talking bad threats and grabbing me. I was a naive teenager and I should have called police looking back.
😂
The wings are good though.
Well, they don't allow people to conceal carry so they suck anyway
Yeah that manager does suck. And ANY manager that doesn’t take these threats seriously. I worked at a bar in college and they threw out my abusive ex-boyfriend and NEVER let him back on the premises. They would also walk me out to my car each night due to him. Thank God they did too. You can’t handle these cases as non-threats when they can actually be deadly.
This is probably the only case where the authorities actually were proactive in protecting a stalking victim. The girl was just in the wrong place at the wrong time
Easy to say and post knowing some of the things that happen daily but there are good cops who can be trusted to help and befriend the public. I am not against you and what you posted.
Wrong place wrong time? How many times have we heard this garbage? Someone sometimes are there everywhere!
Actually, the Authorities got him after he killed a woman not because of stalking 🤷♀️ sorry woman of the World men(Authorities) don't care enough yet
Wrong.
@@hangemhigh7069 Unfortunately you're right.
48 Hours needs to redo this case and focus on Jackie this time
I agree 💯
Sometimes you can tell when a defense attorney does not believe their client is innocent. That does not mean this woman didn’t do her job, I think she did. Another thing I’ve learned is tragedy forms bonds and it can be beautiful.
Serious kudos to Captain Polk. It’s really refreshing to see a police officer who wants nothing else but to help someone and who goes out of their way to serve and protect.
Most do
Refreshing ? What do you think cops do EVERY single day ! This is what they do. Such an ignorant comment. Learn more before you talk trash about cops on social media.
@@p.sherman3158ot in my area. Corruption and harassment. You must not study history either.
@@p.sherman3158 a minuscule amount of reported rapes, harassment and stalking cases are ever taken seriously because of officers. It is undeniable that Police forces all over the world are institutionally misogynistic, the UK's investigation of the MET police proved that, it is laughable to think the US isn't the same, if not worse.
Kudos to Captain Polk. So many women go through harassment/stalking and find it very hard for officers to either believe the gravity of the threat or to be able to help them before the stalker actually hurt them. Lieutenant Polk (back them) took immediate action to protect Kaitlyn. He's the best!
Cops always say that "we don't have enough evidence to do anything, come back when you have more evidence".. usually the "more evidence" is her dead body.. they could just as well say "come back when you're dead"..
And of COURSE she never called the police!! He would have killed her...he said so many times. Its absolutely sickening. And the way the court system treats victims of DV IS HORRIFIC!!
That was an awesome surprise, because these poor girls get ignored, seems like until it's too late.
Women can stalk men and be dangerous as well...
(trigger warning) I had a step relative who became extremely mentally ill....like, mood swings, paranoia, auditory hallucinations, homicidal and suicidal ideation, everything. At one point, after being released from another hospital stay, temporary alternate living arrangements that HE had agreed to were made for him, because it was clearly not safe for him to live with his family at that time. When I was home alone one late morning, he showed up and shattered the whole doorframe trying to beat his way in. He then staked out the house from arr car and peeled out when a police cruiser showed up. The senior officer immediately began grilling us about what right we had to keep him "out of his home" without allowing us to explain any part of why we were doing so. He brow beat us and then left. It was so discouraging. Several hours later we called 911 again because after a whole afternoon of stalking and harassing calls he finally got inside the house and was midway through a ghastly suicide attempt that two of my relatives were physically wrestling with him to prevent. Fortunately the cops and EMTs that showed up that time were very compassionate and competent.
Good to see that officer gave a damn and helped protect her. Respect to Captain Polk!
How can a monster like him not get the death penalty.
Although I don’t think they look alike…I think he did take it out on whoever he could! Because he couldn’t do it to his ex. Rip 😢
They don't look alike at all
My thoughts exactly!! I don't know how he/they kept saying that through the show!! They look nothing alike!
At the point Jackie died, she could have been anyone..he'd have done it to the VERY NEXT ONE
@@borostergirl60 Yeah, true! All young women who he approached were in danger.
@@susanbrogan6610 it was bothering me so bad. But didn't want to be THAT karen who mentioned it😅 it's just a odd point to keep mentioning. Simply not true
I’ve had a stalker. It honestly makes you start going insane. I started thinking he had put recording devices in my apartment. It went on for years. I think people were starting to get tired of me being upset about it. I was calling the police constantly
I know, and every time you hear a weird sound at night you think they’re doing something or trying to get in. It’s unbelievable, they’re intimidation terrorists. Cops didn’t care at all for me, so nice to see a cop care in this case. They’re not just stalking you they’re waging mental war
@TheRealCyanYvette are they?
So sorry that you were stalked. Can I ask how you got away? What worked? Any advise? Thanks so much. Take care
@@dubaiedge I had to move! It was that bad. I called the police 12 times the last year I was there. I had enough and moved. Once I moved away it stopped. At one point I hired two big tattoo guys to hangout at my place for the day. I still have the restraining order in place for the next two years. If you do go down to get a restraining order it has to be really detailed like a journal with dates and times.
@@Findpepperbridge wow. You went through a lot! 12 times. God, what a psycho. I'm glad you're safe now. And that's good to know about giving evidence of dates & times to cops. And hiring big guys, every woman's dream security. If I were rich, I'd have a big guy to tail me at all times. Thanks for the reply, & good luck 😀
I love the interviewer. Asking the right questions at the right time with the most respect and kindness
"He had muscles and tattoos, which interested me at the time." I just can't even....
hahah lol xD |True
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Well, she was only 18. Give her a break. He was a pig for approaching her given HOW OLD HE KNEW HE WAS. When he found out her age & kept pursuing her...PIG!
She was 18 give her a break. Poor girl
Hahahaaa
Poor Jackie! Applying for a job.. and ends up being her last day ALIVE 💔
Tragedy
Well she doesn't need to get a job now.
Applying for a job ...but why she went for drinking 😢
@@mamalee354 I thought it was odd that she was studying health and nutrition but chose to get a job in a bar and hang out with strangers, drinking. And he was a fitness trainer frequenting bars. This is not victim-blaming (for nobody deserves to die because of mistaken choices. It's more an observation about contradictory human behavior.
KIMBERLY+ POOR YES BUT YOU CAN'T SAY SHE WAS NOT NAIVE AND GULLIBLE
After watching stories like this I’ve realized that being single isn’t all that bad after all. Eating bon bons alone is my new pastime
So agree!!!
Years ago I had an ex that turned out to be a sociopath, thankfully he found someone very quickly after we broke up .. For me being single is a choice and I am happy with the freedom of making my own choices in life and enjoying my own company, without a bunch of scary drama.
@@carolynw3602 I’m glad u made it
Being single is underrated 100%
Or being married to a solid man who will protect you, also eliminating your risk because you no longer have to expose yourself to random men.
Thankfully, Caitlin recognized the red flags in Charles' behavior. Kudos to Captain Polk for listening to Caitlin & and taking the stalking seriously and repeatedly being there for her & helping her. Too often, occurrances of stalking are not taken seriously by law enforcement.
48 hours is the best true crime show ever. It rarely disappoints. Why don’t they make the entire back catalogue available going back to the very beginning?
Dateline is better.
Jackie's grandmother is so selfless. For her to come up to Katelyn's parents and say how worried she was for them that Bryant could be released one day. That takes a special compassion to overlook your own deep hurt and worry about another person's welfare like that. Both women had great families. Hope they don't release Bryant ever and hope Jackie's family gets closure and peace.
Oh yeah it’s because she’s a strong woman. You can have compassion for others, but not do what she did…it just means she’s a strong woman. Which is good to be
Amen!
May I offer my sincere condolences to Jackie's family and Friends. May your daughter be your guardian angel so she can share every day, and be by your side.
@@carolpainter4305🙏❤️🇨🇦
@@theamberheardplaylist6768Really…🤔😤😡🇨🇦
Caitlyn survived because she took the warning signs seriously early on. She didn’t gloss over them, didn’t make excuses for him, even if she liked the guy. She eventually proved herself right. Kudos to her mom, too, for being the great woman that she is. Caitlyn’s self-confidence and self-belief are very obvious to me. And because she loved herself, Caitlyn could think independently for herself and not let any guy boss her around. Queen. 👑
Well said 🙌
Jackie didn’t have time to see the flags. She only knew him a few hours
You forget one BIG BIG tjing, she had help & a way out. Many do NOT
Yep her mum really saved her life installing self confidence and awareness in her
AMEN
Captain Polk is an example of how every police officer should be!! He is amazing! This monster took a young, beautiful woman for no reason except that he’s pure evil!! This is so heartbreaking! RIP Jackie 🙏 ❤
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I can't believe the arrogance and mean spirit of the defence lawyer, how much evidence did she need ? And she also showed know empathy towards Jackie, horrible when defence lawyers behave like this, I couldn't blatantly ignore the facts and defend these scoundrels.
Did anyone find it a little strange that we didn’t hear more from the victims family or friends? While Caitlyns experience is valid, I wish they focused on Jackie more…
Maybe they didn't want to be interviewed
Caitlan had the experience of his warped behavior.
After watching it, I get your point
Allot of families of victims don't want to be involved with TV shows.
As others have noted, some people don't want to be on national tv or on the internet forever. It's probably too difficult for them on this subject . . . .
How can defense lawyers live with themselves when they lie through their teeth for scumbags??? Gross! She NASTY!!!!
They tell themselves that the U.S. Constitution guarantees every defendant the right to a vigorous defense. While I definitely agree with this, if I were a defense attorney, there's some people I would decline to represent. 😡 Judging by your post, I think you'd be inclined to agree with me. ☺ *Please take care, love. Have an amazing rest of your day. SHALOM* 💜🙏❤🙏💜
@RandomChristianMusings theyre getting paid. its a job. and some cases they get huge money. the team that defended Nathan bar jonah (child killer p3d0 cannibal) ended up being paid close to a million dollars or more for the death penalty case.
@@pinkpugginz Yes, It's a job. Evidently, a very well paying one! I didn't know how much death penalty attorneys make. I guess I chose the wrong career path. I may not make the big $$, but I'm happy helping people in a way I'm comfortable with. Not saying I'm better, at all! It's just what works for me. You don't have to answer, but what field are you in? Are you an attorney? Thanks in advance if you're able/willing to reply. *Take care, love. You're obviously very intelligent. It's been great communicating with you this morning.*
@@RandomChristianMusings Definitely agree. Have a wonderful week. Fill it with goodness~ 💛🙏❤
@@pinkpugginz No amount of big money would convince my soul to defend evil like that!
Thank you for posting this video and sharing it with everyone. I enjoyed watching it very much. Very sad. Omg I don’t understand how people can be so sick.
Can we just take a moment to appreciate Ranger Holland? Top-notch work, sir.
GOD BLESS THAT UNIVERSITY POLICE OFFICER! GIVE HIM RAISES! GIVE HIM PRAISES! A HERO!
Take a cold shower and stop yelling.
@@JuditaHoffman. Lol! But he is a hero.
I don’t know about all that because he was just doing his job that’s what is expected of them
WHAAAAAAAT ????
@@samdoors5132 im sorta going overboard as a bit of a joke because after decades of watching true crime wow do police officers NOT do their job a lot of the time....
Eligible for parole in 30 years. Poor woman needs to think about this monster coming after her all her life. That's so unfair
Being stalked is all consuming. You’re constantly on guard and can’t relax at all even when you try to sleep. It is horrible and most law enforcement don’t do anything at all. They will set you up and call the police on YOU so your character is stained and you look like the criminal. They are diabolical.
Been there done that it's scary too. He must've loved here in DALLAS it's a hop n a skip away so I know that's a good drive.Hes a good looking dude he didn't have to stalk nobody
RIP Jackie! Made me cry May he never live long enough to parole.
Caitlyn is such a nice looking girl, but being able to identify an abuser so quickly, her mother and father raised her very well. Hope she gets rid of her survivors guilt so she can live her life fully.
Yes. You can tell she has good parents! Most aren’t so fortunate.
@@ALT-vz3jn well I hope Jackie’s parents don’t read this 🙄
W was
This is so dumb and completely ignores the fact many women raised the same way fall victim to abusers. You're not dumb for being manipulated or abused or stalked.
Are u kidding me? She was clueless and so was the mother. There was no father and that's why she so easily got into a relationship with this adult man who was a typical bad boy. Women need to be careful online.
This reminds me a lot of a similar case in Utah where the ex girlfriend was the one who ended up dying. The campus police didn't take her nearly as seriously as the campus police in this case. Good on the campus police in Caitlin's case for taking her so seriously. If it didn't save Jackie's life , it probably saved Caitlin's ♥️
48 Hours played it off that way in the Utah case, but in fact it wasn't an easy one. And the girl in that case made more mistakes than anyone.
@@jimwertherwhich Utah case was that?
@@tutorjulslee2357 Lauren McCluskey
Yes! You are spot on. I just watched the Utah case last night. Very similar.
Guys who date much younger girls is ALWAYS a HUGE red flag. Ladies, think!
Captain Polk is an amazing officer. You heard him say that the stalker was not deterred from stalking caitlyn even after an arrest. That goes to show that police officers know very well from experience what the stalker type is like, their behavior, i.e., their m.o.. For so many officers to not care when women ask for help, despite them seeing all the dangerous sings in the stalker, makes me sick. It is a choice they make to leave women vulnerable knowing all too well the risk they are going through. If we start seeing police officers and cps people pay for neglecting the victims and not doing their job, I guarantee you this scenario will start to change.
I remember this dude. He was friends with a roommate of mine called Kenny. When news of him broke out that he killed that poor girl my co-worker told us that he'd be bragging about how all girls are just his "lil toys" on a daily basis but apparently when his friends try to make fun of Katelyn who he called Katie he'd lash out at them.
Why were they making fun of her?
Oh my god! They killed Kenny!
@@jimwerther really ? Who killed him ?
@@TawnyC_ I’m 9 minutes in and totally sick of hearing her. The girl who was actually murdered seems to be forgotten.
@@fan_of_brent_terhune_comedian What a strange comment. For one thing, she didn't edit the video, 48 Hours did. It's not her fault that the victim's family refused to be interviewed, leading them to rely on her. For another, reaching conclusions 20% in is a bad idea.
Such an awesome officer....thank-you, Officer Polk....
Her mother is the true hero. If her daughter hadn't had proper boundaries, she would have already been dead. What the officer did or didn't do was secondary. It was Caitlin herself who protected herself and looked out for herself. She's exceptional and we all have to learn from her to have such firm and healthy boundaries.
The way he was smiling on camera being interrogated is disgusting . True narc
Captain Polk took things seriously. Big applause 👏🏻 Also the police in this case👏🏻 Caitlyn is the good example of how cautious women should be when they see something wrong with the one you’re dating.
That defense attorney? Disgusting theory attacking the victim! Intoxicated, panicked....give us a break! His defense attorney was just as psychotic!
You Are Totally Correct.
I concur. What a ghastly human being she is!
Sounds like a lot of defence attorneys.
It's literally their job I'm sure that that person hates the defendant as well we will be happy to have a defense attorney if you ever need one
@@pinkpugginz Yes, thank you very much for your post. 😁 The U.S. constitution guarantees every defendant with the right to a vigorous defense. This is something I can totally agree with. I'm not a defense attorney, but I think there are are some people I'd decline to represent. Also, there are some arguments they make in court, especially those which disparage the victim, which I disagree with. I suppose they think their argumentation falls into the realm of a vigorous defense, but I think some of what they do is morally repugnant. *Please take care, stay safe, and have an exceptionally blessed rest of your day, love. SHALOM* 💜🙏❤🙏💜
Even viewers are convinced of his guilt. Sad that Jackie lost her life. Very sad.
even viewers?
Aren't you?
What a weird comment…
@@Bettinasisrg obviously why wouldn’t i be
it must be incredibly difficult to be a Defense Attorney; how could you ever believe he didn't do it??
This is so heartbreaking. I live so close to grapevine lake and actually hike over there a lot.
Every officer needs to take note of the job that this university officer did.. this is what your job is and what you’re paid to do. Thank you officer 👮♀️. I’m also impressed by this young lady, that she’d been brought up to understand that this wasn’t a good relationship.
18 and 29 is a bad deal. Her parents should have put the kabosh on that immediately.
He needs to train others because the ineptitude of many has cause many, many deaths and untold trauma
The two girls look nothing alike, but in his state of mind, filled with rage, someone had to pay; a young female preferably. That night, he knew he was going to punish someone.
Don't put your trust in someone you don't really know.
Defense attorneys must have the ability to lie with a straight face
Prayers for Jackie's family
I'm glad the officer took her seriously.
Omgggggg I can’t STAND it when a manager tells his employee: “there’s nothing I can do” regarding the employee’s stalker. 😡 YES There most certainly is some thing they can do. Whether that employee has a restraining order or not, that manager absolutely can ban that person from coming in. I don’t care if it’s a supermarket or a restaurant. All places of business reserve the right to refuse service to anyone, for any reason, at any time. So, YES--there is something that manager can do to keep the employee safe--BAN THE STALKER.
Rest up Jackie it's so sad condolences to your family.
I experienced a stalker. Such a terrifying experience. This man rolled in from LA into a smaller town where I resided in Pa. Intailly, he seemed friendly and befriended my 2 dogs. He invited himself on a walk with my dogs and I. Then I noticed he had been watching me bc everytime I walked outside he was there. I became creeped out and literally had to hide indoors He would leave 2 dounuts and 2 o.j.'s on my porch every day for 2 weeks. Presumably they were meant for him and I. So wierd. My creep radar went off. Later found out this man with a fake name had a criminal record. I kept my doors locked. One night I walked outside and he was waiting outside like a creep awaiting to confront me. I believe he was crazy obsessed and I can still see his black eyes. I slowly backed away from him as he was shouting...awfully odd for not even knowing him!!. That night all my tires were slashed. It was him. No doubt. The Police arrested him and I never saw him again. Women, please always use your intuition. RIP to Jackie ( she had no idea she was leaving with a psycho stalker murderer!!!
Oh my gosh! I'm so glad you went with your instincts n avoided this man like the plague, so so creepy!
Me too and the guy left a note intended for me on my sisters grave! My dad was fuming, I mean it wasn’t enough that he was scaring me to death, constantly driving past my work, he was now encroaching on my murdered sisters peace! Some people are so strange, I hope your stalker has stopped and you now feel safe.
Was he over 6ft, with a square jaw?
@@iveyhealth2266 you can Google him Lee Sager, Johnstown, Pennsylvania. He looks crazy in his booking pic!
Those girls look NOTHING Alike
Jackie's life could have been saved if this man was already put behind bars for stalking. It is sad how they do not take stalking seriously. It was nice of the officer to take her seriously and protect her. He should have been jailed.
Captain Polk is a great policeman, in general we need more people like him looking out for people 🙏
We need more mothers like Caitlin's mother. It was her upbringing that saved her...
@@Analysis_Paralysis She treated him like trash. She has just as much responsibility for it as he has !!
He truly is the exception
Thank God for that officer. Arresting him over and over was exactly what should be done in all cases. Men like this never learn.
"I don't recall having sex", said no man ever...
48 hours,always informative,always interesting, thankyou.
For the life of me, I don’t understand why the Judge wouldn’t allow her testimony. She obviously had first hand experience as to how crazy this psycho is! Thank god he was found guilty!
Because it was irrelevant. I was hoping they wouldn't let her testify either. Jackie is dead and Caitlin is running around saying that could've been her because they look alike and they don't, she was seeking attention.
@@mjv7008 facts 💯
that’s not seeking attention, that’s bringing attention to his behavior
@@mjv7008 Wrong! It was not allowed because the probative value was substantially outweighed by the risk of unfair prejudice. Trust me, it was relevant.
@@mjv7008 Caitlin never said they looked alike. That’s a narrative 48 Hours came up with for the drama of it. Caitlin also NEVER sought attention from this. She is also a victim. All of the comments trashing her are disgusting. Stop judging what you don’t know.
Just looking at the guy tells me he is not stable. Being a narcissist as well as needy is a bad combination then when justified rejection is thrown in the mix you have a ticking time bomb.
the eyes......
@@margaretwhittaker2291 exactly
The eyes and the duck lips on his selfies
I am in love with Kaitlin Mathis' mom. That parenting, teaching your kids at a young age, building that bond and trust, SAVED HER DAUGHTER'S LIFE. I do the same with my daughter, and i am relieved to have a perfect real-world example to show her now. God bless that woman.
That restaurant manager that wouldn’t tell him to leave is a piece of ****
She was killed to send a message to his ex-girlfriend that:. “This is what’s going to happen to you, if you don’t come back” He’s a sick sociopath that needs to remain in prison for life.
Agree, he is sick.
I think the motive was that he just ended up taking all his rage out in someone because of his feelings over his ex. He probably had built up emotions and aggression. And that poor girl ended up with a ticking time bomb. It's just so unfair that that happened to her....
You have no idea what his motive was
@@jimwerther That's why they said "I THINK". It's an opinion. Chill. 🧘♂️
@@jimwerther Can't read huh !?
@@adambane1719 I can read. Apparently, though, you can't write.
@@jimwerther called a theory mate.
I had a stalker. Asked the property manager to let him in because he locked himself out. Stole my spare car keys and an old iPod connected to my iMessage and FB. Left recorder in car. Thankfully, I was in a car workplace where these kind of behavior is already punishable. Extremely traumatic.
I grew up in Bremerton, Washington with him. I’ve been to many of the same parties. He was always so creepy and overly touchy. He had given me a ride home before and I remember him playing paper planes and when the “bang bang bang bang” would play he would pretend shoot me in the head. There was another time I was running with my friend and we ended up running into him because he was an avid runner and he talked us into stopping by his house for some water and he tried having sex with both of us. knowing he actually murdered someone years later I think of those moments and it gives me chills.