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As the guy who was running the Syllable project for a decade I can not tell you how happy I am to see a Be-style OS reach this stage. It's an amazing achievement, and the Haiku team have done an amazing job!
I played with Syllable a bit when it was a thing. It was a cool idea, and a shame it petered out.
@@the123king Me, too.
What happened to the Atheos guy?
@@karim2k I haven't spoken to him since Syllable happened but I understand he's still around and still doing games programming (his day job).
@@Vanders456 I can't find the Atheos archives more specifically a stable installable build
The BeOS dream dies But its spirit lives on in Haiku An OS for us?
I love yellow tabs Timeless, functional design Beep boop beep beep boop
@that_colin_guy that wasn’t a haiku
The last of (Be)OS.😁
...and Beos is not 'unix-like'@@FoxWolfWorld
Beos is not dead it evolved into Haiku plain and simple🤣🤣🤣
I was working PC retail when Intel was pushing the whole "Centrino" thing, and it was a real can of worms. Centrino was not a processor family (like Celeron, which it was frequently confused with), rather it was a set of Intel technologies (chipset, CPU, and wireless adapter) which together were called Centrino. They were trying to make it a "platform" when in all actuality it meant nothing. It was pure marketing and went nowhere. Currently Intel is using the Centrino name for some of its wireless adapters, but otherwise is no longer an active thing.
Ah, so exactly like Intel Evo laptops now. Has to have an Intel CPU, WiFi, possibly the Intel mobile discrete GPU as well, a 1080P or higher touch screen, and over 9 hours of battery life.
@@Dreams_Of_Lavender I've been out of retail for a while so I'm not familiar with Evo, but yeah, sounds very similar.
It was confusing as far as overriding the CPU branding, but one benefit it did have is at the time Intel was one of two companies (the other being Apple) that had wireless adapters that didn't completely blow, so it was useful to know you were definitely getting an Intel wireless adapter and not something else that would be less reliable.
@@widnawz I see your point, but Intel did an absolutely LOUSY job of communicating what Centrino was supposed to be and the benefits it offered not just to consumers but also to sales personnel who were supposed to be selling people on it.
I hate it when big tech companies use similar or the same names for unrelated products. It causes nothing but confusion.
A peculiarity of this generation of Thinkpad is that the SATA controller, while being a SATA 2 one, is bios limited to SATA 1 speeds. There are modded bios like Middleton that remove this limit and add other features. So, it might boot even faster if it is actually running in SATA 2 mode.
It will also let you add unsupported mPCIe cards. I'm sure you could find an adapter to fit the latest Wi-Fi 6-E or whatever cards. Or with minimal adapterage you can fit an 802.11ac (Wi-Fi 5) card which could be a noticeable upgrade if yours is only fitted with G.
Those newer cards will fit. I have three Thinkpad machines. T61, T61P, and a W500. The latter two have the top GPU for each. If he ran this on the T61P, I bet video performance would be miles better. Middletons removes the Wi-Fi white list and turns on/enables SATA-II speeds. Huge benefit!
@@BrianMartin2007 @BrianMartin2007 Seeing as he was using llvmpipe (software rendering) I don't think fancy NVIDIA will help at all. For Wi-FI cards, all the new ones are m.2 so you need an adapter (including one for the antennas). The internal one is a full-height mPCIe so for most newer cards you need a bracket if you want to install in the slot and properly screw it down. I don't remember if there's also a half-height slot or not.
I noticed when it booted up that it was identifying as an ATA bus. I did a spec search real quick to make sure it was actually SATA, granted I haven't seen an IDE/ATA to SATA adapter quite small enough to fit that slot yet.
@@alextirrellRI SATA is a type of ATA. The T61 has has native SATA on the hard drive slot and native parallel ATA on the Ultrabay optical slot.
I have some old machines running Haiku (some Dells and a ThinkPad) and it’s great! Definitely the fastest OS with CPU-only graphical rendering. I just wish sleep/wake worked.
TempleOS takes the cake for "fastest OS with CPU only rendering" but you probably don't want to use it as a daily driver.
@@tylerdean980yes 16 color VGA, as god intended!
Ori from Plan 9 floated a cool idea, I call it software-defined GPU. Basically, if you had a GPU driver you could expose only the linear-algebra SIMD-type stuff, instead of exposing GL or whatever really specific thing, and then on top of that the operating system implements its own 3D API that actually suits the style of the system. Only thing is, you have to get a picture to the screen at some point, so a driver is always going to have to do two completely unrelated things, the above and video-out. So it's not the most clean thing conceptually.
@@smorrow Drivers often have to do unrelated things. Audio drivers have to push data which is an entirely different job from setting volumes and selecting inputs and outputs which they also should do. I thought about cleanness a lot during my Plan 9 phase, and concluded cleanness as a goal is of limited value and sometimes actively harmful. It's helpful to keep things clear and simple, but when the pursuit of cleanness makes it hard to create a design or leads to a design which creates obstacles for users, you have a problem.
@@smorrowit's a nice idea, but it's unfortunately a very plan9 way of doing things. Would be lovely to have tho, especially if it meant we could finally have decent video playback on 9 :)
I have a two thinkpads i picked up very similar to this. They were both $20 at a thrift store. Neither had HD trays or power supplies. I picked up the cheapest SSDs office max had at the time and used black gorilla tape to hold the SSDs into place. they still work very well.
0:14 You're technically incorrect Haiku isn't UNIX like, it isn't even *NIX, it's its own OS that has some POSIX features (a group of standards that almost all UNIX systems if not all follow) that gives it a *NIX feel.
I used BeOS as a daily driver at work for over a year around 2000. At the time most of my needs were a terminal and email client, which of course Be did well. The rest were things like media clients to listen to mp3s while I was working. The performance and stability always blew me away. Glad to see its spiritual successor is thriving. Who knows, maybe it will emerge beyond cult classic some day.
Whenever I've played with Haiku it's been blazing fast: even on netbooks at the time. I have to add that the Haiku UI has kept the best elements of the 90's design: very good contrast while looking really professional with a tiny hint of gradients being used here and there to pop important elements like buttons (but not overdoing it). I hope that we could get over the current nasty "dark age" of black / white + flat design and go using full range of color palette again.
Yeah, skeumorphism got a bad rap because of some really bad, over the top examples, but the best were what I'd actually call "minimalist skeumorphism" like Win95 and this, and I think it's way better UX-wise than what everyone's doing now.
I've heard other colors are less efficient to display than white on some OLED displays so this saves battery, but I feel like colors might be more efficient to display on other OLEDs and defeat the purpose
@@HolbrookStark Good point: some LG OLED panels do have WRGB which means that the is a separate white subpixel to increase the quality monochrome colors and lifespan of the pixels. Unfortunately this seems to be at the moment an exception rather than the rule as most manufacturers use the same old method of producing white with all subpixels combined (which degrades all of the colors and shows up ugly smears if one color burns out faster than the others).
There is no way to overdo skeuomorphism... anything but the current, 'so light it's almost white' bullshit that we are force fed on Windows 10 and 11. They have the most atrocious interfaces ever made. Flat, monochrome fonts, running on computers with monitors that can do millions of colours at 4K, and we get flat, monochrome black on white shit. Look at Firefox - the idiot devs there have completely removed the outlines of the tabs - because it was 'so 2010' - a bunch of morons trying to outdo each other in making things worse and worse, all terrified of going against some unseen 'god' of design rules, it's laughable. There's nothing wrong with highly visible gradients. Buttons cannot be overdone.
@@johnthomas338 While it's rather rare I'd say that the OS X 10.8 contact app crosses the skeuomorphism line for me: There's simply no good reason why the application should look like a cheesy rendition of a book. However one thing with the traditional UI styling is very easy to abuse and overdo are gradients. I've seen so many cheap device driver panels where the designers though that the gaudier the gradients the better and plastered them all over the place without any understanding basics of graphical design (often contradictionary directions for the gradients with visible errors in on top elements like widgets). These kind of interface design practices are a horror best left behind.
I remember playing with Haiku 15 years ago on an AMD K6-2 machine. It's so cool to see it finally get the recognition it deserves.
haiku is the new xbox os🤣🤣🤣 doing what even xbox can no longer do anymore🤣🤣🤣
Wow a Retro tech nerd and a poet 👍
I was very tempted to go the BeOS route after AmigaOS. It seemed to be the closest thing out there. I went to OS/2 Warp instead, as my job was leading me in the X86 direction.
You seem to have a knack for picking dead-end OSes. :-D PS, I slept on the whole Amiga thing (C64 directly to PC 386), but I used BeOS as my daily driver for a few years. When people talk about Amiga, it pretty much describes how I felt about BeOS at the time. I could not, for the life of me, understand why it hadn't completely set the world on fire.
@@nickwallette6201 Cost, and you cannot sell very expensive hardware to,90s children every two years..
@@joefish6091 Dead on! Which is why it is so baffling that Amiga ended the way it ended.
AmigaOS was so awesome back in the day. Yeah, AmigaOS 4 is still supported, but there's not much software for it.
The thinklight was wonderful, especially when sitting in dark cabling rooms trying to read paper cabling plans. No modern backlit keyboard can do that. 😊 Any keychain flashlight can, tho. 😅
More Haiku shenanigans, please! I loved BeOS when I ran it as a daily driver in the early 2000s, kept using it in the YellowTAB days and keep checking in on Haiku occasionally to see if it's viable. I'm really curious to see how well the new Wine system is working on Haiku. But I also want to see Wolf3D on this thing!
I'm thrilled to see this OS getting more attention. There are a lot of little design decisions that run squarely away from stupid legacy encumbrances. Perhaps one of the most important choices they made was to use a modern system for the concept of file types. Types in the file system are MIME types. No more being held hostage to "extensions" of 3 letters after a period. Others have tried this, like the Oracle Internet FIle System, but didn't demonstrate WHY it was so useful. There's a file type for "email message", and each message gets its own file. If you want to write or run a new email client (mail user agent), you just point it at the directory and *bang* the right thing happens. The interprocess communication is a thing of beauty. Start a bouncing ball window and it will happily bounce within the frame. Start another and it will start roaming between the windows. Oh yeah, that works across a network too. As a network stack guy at one point, I loved how they assigned threads to network sessions. One note of caution from a cybersecurity person: This is pretty much intended for single user use. That's not to say you can't have a bunch of processes and background servers and stuff. Rather, from a security enforcement standpoint, you have something much like UNIX file permissions, but systemwide security architecture and capabilities is probably one of those places where there's room for more work. The go-to BeOS stress test was to see how many copies of the GL Teapot renderer you can run at once. Try it and then try it on your favorite modern commodity OS. You might be surprised at what happens.
I've been playing with Haiku for about a year now and it's getting closer to daily driver. I've been trying it on ancient desktops and yeah... it's fast. In my opinion, the lack of video drivers for both the Nvidia and AMD cards is a bit of an issue. With only VESA support more advanced video modes are out of the question. That said I'm hoping for a breakthrough in video drivers that will make Haiku a Really Useful OS. Thanks for the video!
how do you get around the many programs and utilities that aren't ported to Haiku
Great Video! I remember having my first: "Gawd, I'm so sick of Windows!" phase in the early 2000's and turning to BeOS as my first alternative! It really opened the door for me to explore different Operating Systems and platforms. Haiku has always had A LOT of potential, and I'll have to give a try someday real soon! Off Topic: Where did you get that T-Shirt? It looks great! Very On Brand for this channel!
Damnnn he liked your comment but didn't respond 💀💀
I was astounded that I was able to install Haiku (32bit) on an old EeePC 4G. It runs just fine on it.
I remember seeing BeOS running back in the day at a computer show and was amazed at how great it worked. Apple OS and Windows looked ridiculous next to it. I was still using an Amiga 3000 at the time but thought about moving on to BeOS. I ended up buying a used P2/333 intel server and installing SUSE linux on it. I never really looked back.
I just wish they could 2D/3D acceleration finally working this and a Webpostivie not being so slow and it could be a daily driver, amazing OS and i love the journey on how it evolves.
I tried to use Haiku on my 'music' PC couple of days ago, with mixed results. Overall system ran pretty well and reasonably stable. There was no hardware graphics acceleration, but UI was still quite performant. It was possible to watch 720p YT video in mpv without dropping frames. The problem was MIDI hardware support. I couldn't get it to work at all. So I had to revert back to Linux.
Hardware drivers are always a problem for all but the most popular OSs. If I ever start OS development, I'm thinking of targeting something between an Arduino and a Raspberry Pi so people don't expect stuff to work. >;) But seriously, I think it would be fairly easy to hack MIDI onto that sort of thing; it's a pretty straightforward standard.
I tried Haiku years ago and absolutely loved that tabbing feature. I wish more window managers had it.
I always loved BeOS (I even had a proper BeBox and later built a dual Pentium 2 machine to run the Intel version on when they left PowerPC) and programming for it was the best part. The API was so great, clean, and just made sense. Still have my official Developer Guide book on the shelf.
First Slackware's major update, then Debian, now this? What a time
I really like these old IBM's and to a certain point today's Lenovo's. Because they are easy to disassemble and doing things yourself. I even replaced an LCD screen on an older IBM without any hassle.
It was running in VESA mode with no HW acceleration so it's no surprise everything was slow, specially KZhead and 3D games. I used to run BeOS on a Pentium 2 with a Voodoo3 2000 with full 3D acceleration and it was incredible...much much much faster than anything else and way more usable in the desktop than the Linux distros of the time.
I keep a spare Thinkpad just to indulge in bare metal distro hopping. I’ve had Haiku loaded a few times. But much as I liked it I didn’t find anything about it that was compelling enough to adopt it as a daily OS. It was more a novelty than anything else. Because there’s really nothing there I found that wasn’t already available and better supported in Linux. So I don’t see it as any more than a fun thing at this point in its development despite its “cool kids” score being through the roof. I’ll have to give it another spin soon. Thx for reminding me it’s still an ongoing project.
as someone who used to fix thinkpads im glad to see this one living the dream with a modern os. i know a few people who toss linux on these things and daily drive them, they are actually really durable machines, at least in comparison to the competition.
Haiku is awesome! Beta 4 is quite good and for many people can be a daily driver. I have a Core2Duo machine running it using Intel graphics through HDMI on my 2560 X 1080 monitor. Nice!
I've been using Linux for a while, but have played around with, BeOS and then Haiku. Great seeing how far it has come.
I just booted it up from USB and it works very well. There are a few things stopping me from trying it as my main system: 1) Firefox, Firefox is my main browser, although checking Gnome Web on my Linux, it works with my Firefox sync, so that might work as a substitute. Gnome Web kept crashing when running off the USB. 2) Steam, for the fun stuff 3) Multi Monitor support, couldn't find it anyway. 4) stability, however, that could be just running from a crappy usb stick. It is so close to being ready for my daily use, very nice.
your enthusiasm despite all the setbacks is what's killing me :D
Installed it in a VM today.... Love the minimalist UI.... I think I'll be using this
Woohoo! A video of Haiku! it's been years. I still have my BeOS and also a copy of the (er... infamous?) Zeta.
That SGI is a BIG bonus! I remember trying BeOS on Intel back in the day, and being impressed by how much faster than Windows 95 it was on my 100 MHz Pentium with 32 MB of RAM.
OS/2 was also very fast and did a lot for having such low system requirements. It sure was picky about hardware, though.
A sight for sore eyes. Loved BeOS and Haiku is amazing.
Oo, time to give Haiku another run out. Thanks for this video and many thanks to all the developers for their hard work. BITD: I was quite invested in BeOS, Acorn's RiscOS machines which I loved being on their last legs and my being deeply dissatisfied with other OS's available for x86 platforms. Sadly BeOS died a death, the OS situation has not improved in all this time, and I've been hoping Haiku might some day become daily driveable... that WINE is now available is a dream I'd never expected to make it to this OS - I'm sold!
Fun video! I occasionally fire up my BeBox, just to remind myself what the future used to look and feel like 😅
I had a Thinkpad T61 just like that at work back when they were the new thing, and I distinctly remember being surprised and a little confused by the the little LED reading light that you demonstrated, because my MacBook Pro at home had a fully illuminated keyboard, and it was already an older model by the time the Thinkpad T61 came out. I don't think the MacBook Pro was the only laptop of the time that had an illuminated keyboard, either, so I figured that Lenovo must have gone with the little one-LED reading lamp instead of illuminated keys to save a few pennies and pass the savings on to themselves. It was still a solid laptop, though!
Looking at that Minecraft crash log, it says that it’s trying to use Java 14 (i think). Minecraft 1.19 and above requires Java 17+, so you could give that a shot. (Could be completely wrong in this, I just know from experience that java versions are a pain in the ass at times)
Ciao, in late 1998 i had BeOS 3.2 running on my PC, great OS, in 2002 Open BeOS was born, i was a part of the creative team for a short time, very nice times back then..many greetings from brunswick in germany and please stay safe 🙃
Oh wow!
I have a lot of great memories running BeOS. I ordered the boxed copy with the BeOS Bible bundled. Good times!
You can also do tiled groups of windows that snap together and can be moved around the screen as one unit. If it had full disk encryption so could use it for work, I would probably use that a lot more than the tabbing. But having the WM let me use tabs across apps if I want rather than apps increasingly forcing them on me would be a refreshing change (still not with the browsers though it seems).
You said that 14 FPS on ClassiCube on Haiku was kind of meh. But the thing is that is very impressive when you consider the fact that it runs entirely on the CPU without any help from the GPU at all.
As impressive as that may be, without any kind of GPU acceleration, there's no compulsive reason to use it. This is always a problem for projects like Haiku, as whilst completely understandable given the limited resources, the lack of hardware drivers kills compatibility and performance. Playing original DOS Quake on my i7 PC, at a speed and resolution that was impossible back in the day, just isn't as good as playing hardware accelerated Quake on an ancient Pentium 4 machine with an AGP GPU.
I used the dano beos beta for a mp3 player and irc machine for a few years. was really solid actually.
Sean, we need a livestream of that ThinkPad rendering out your next video in 4K. Make it so!
Wow, Haiku is way cool. I'll have to try it out. I wish Lenovo would bring back their keyboard. I have a Thinkpad T420 and it's still the best laptop keyboard I've used.
Thanks for showing us this OS. And thanks for demonstrating it on a perfectly good old Thinkpad C2D! Looks like yours is the 15-inch version? I have several older Thinkpads all running Linux Mint. There's one in particular though (a T61 with the 14-inch 4:3 screen) that I want to turn into a typing machine with a minimal installation. I was going try Puppy but now I'm also going to give it a spin with Haiku, just because...
I've had Haiku running on an old Dell Mini 10 for a few months. It's so lovely! I haven't really figured out the development situation on it though. I've been making a game that should run great on Haiku even without GPU acceleration. :D I should give that another go...
Sweet That is really cool Now I can start watching more utube on my older machine !!
Thinklight combined with the decent-sized keys is why I own Multiple 14" Thinkpads! Easiest small machines to daily-drive hands-down
I have fond memories of BeOS and have had a Haiku VM running for quite some time. Had not heard about the new web browser... this truly is a game-changer.
Thanks for this review. I still have my boxed copy of BeOS for intel, The reason the hard drive seemed to format so quickly is that it didn't. BeOS only changes the file system type and writes over any existing filesystem at the bit level.
I enjoyed BeOS back in the day. It's nice that it's still being worked on.
T61 Was my first ever personal laptop. Got it through my school brand new because of my ADD. Ever since I've loved Thinkpads.
Haiku rn is what Linux was in the mid to late 2000s.. Linux is about 5 years away from honestly just being actually switchable since Bottles makes running affinity and photoshop applications perfectly without issues (latest versions work btw). Gaming is catching up and I mostly play Overwatch and Fighting Games which already work perfectly! Adobe is actually thinking about Linux so we're almost there boys! I liked BeOS back in the 90s, I have tried Haiku and yea it's basically BeOS modernized "to an extent..." but I don't think this is anywhere near daily drivable...
HaikuOS is unique, Not a UNIX derivative, Its own path it seeks.
BeOS well on a Mac OS8 lab I had, but the CPU speeds reported 50% of actual value. It's really ice to see pet project operating systems still alive and kicking!
Epiphany is not a more "modern" web browser, it's just that WebPositive still has a few things to iron out since it has more reliance on the native APIs.
Instant thumbs-up just for the introductory Haiku
Great tip about UTM + Apple Silicon + Haiku. That works great 👍
Were you able to install and boot? I seem to be able to install just fine, but after removing the ISO from the CD drive it just boots into the shell. I can go into the shell's boot manager and select the IDE drive, but it doesn't do anything.
Had to turn off UEFI Boot. Also had to set it to "Intel Partition Table" instead of "GUID".
@@petetube476 sorry for the late response, yea I also had to turn off UEFI boot. But after that (and removing the iso drive) it booted fine.
NEXT step was amazing for the time!
Fast bootup is one of the reasons i liked the Amiga OS so much. Having a good portion of your OS in ROM makes for a fast boot.
Just about all of these non-mainstream operating systems boot up very quickly. Modern Windows and Ubuntu take ages.
@@pikachuchujelly7628 There are reasons for that, but i get you. Hell, my TRS-80 was basically (see what i did there) instant on. It took the monitor longer to warm up than the machine to be ready to use.
And i believe the SSD is running at SATA 1 speed since it's a t61. So it's that fast, even with the SSD being limited.
I've Never known that the Tabbed Groups were a thing in Haiku! I installed it years ago, Mayke 2k3/4, and again maybe a few years ago. I don't know how I've never known that
Holy smokes, the drag-to-terminal trick works in Mint MATE too! Thanks! I never knew that.
It works in Windows.
@@smorrow It works in Windows too?!? Blimey!
@@Xoferif Yeah, seems it's become a pretty standard thing in the last ten years. Or maybe that's just when I first started noticing it.
1.20 probably didn't run because of the openGL requirement, it requires at minimum opengl 3.3 (iirc, may be wrong), which even the ati models of the thinkpads of the time didn't have
Could also be because it requires Java 17. If I'm not mistaken the logs on the screen said Java 14.0.1 EDIT: That was Minecraft 1.15.1 actually which doesn't need Java 17
I have an old Dell Precision mobile workstation (a Pentium M era one!) which has a permanent Haiku installation on it and it's still noticeably snappier than even more modern machines running contemporary operating systems. The tabbed window interface is like no other and I wish it was more a prominent thing in other systems.
Man's got a spring in his chair, I love the energy
I was daily driving a t61 14" widescreen that i modded a 1066mhz fsb by cutting traces on the clockgen and adding a jumper wire to force the chipset to think it has a slower fsb to use a faster cpu. it as only replaced a few weeks ago by a T460 got 2-4 hours battery life on it. was decent. I was also planning on adding a core 2 quad into it later on but figured it would just be cheaper to get a newer laptop finally. only issue i had with that setup is if i tried to use a newer ngff wifi card the fsb would be stuck at 800 and would force my cpu 2ghz instead of 2,66ghz. E8135 from an imac.
my CS lab had those indigo2 systems, i remember classes sitting behind one!
UTM (qemu under hood) might be the go to for Haiku to run in a VM but it’s only available on Mac for macOS11+. It runs ok in Virtual Box but I can’t get the resolution beyond 1600x1200.
Recommend putting a rubber band around that hard drive, so that it isn't just banging around loose in the HDD bay.
I remember playing around with BeOS way back in the day, but I could never get it to recognize my sound card so it was of limited use. Which particularly sucked since they emphasized their multimedia features. Oh well. Anyway, I'm kind of amazed that Haiku is still going.
Old thinkpad parts are easy to get new out of China but you will need the cover and as well the caddy and the two rubber rails for a factory fit and naturally the screw for the cover door over the hard drive, I naturally have all of those parts as spares for various thinkpads I own both IBM and Lenovo variants. The ultimate thinkpad for Haiku would be the Lenovo X 301 in either 1.4 GHZ or the vary late 1.6 GHZ variant both modded with Middleton's Bios to enable Sata 2 Speeds plus for Haiku with it's limited Video card abilities the Intel Processor Video driver scenario is not an issue. The X301 probably has the all time best Classic IBM 7 row Keyboard they ever made it is the absolute best keyboard on any Thinkpad the X301 also once you change the Color space file has a decent 1440x 900 screen in what was in truth the very first Ultrabook with the bonus of a super slim DVD drive. With an Intel Sata SSD it is actually quite snappy and with Bios Mods and Resistor mods on the Motherboard that ULV Core 2 Duo can be pushed from 1.4 GHZ to over 2.1 GHZ so for a bargain price they go for these days with Mods and 8 Gigs of Memory it makes a good project
Haiku is a very interesting OS and very fast and small. I've been using beta 1 on an old Toshiba laptop but unfortunately it was keep losing Wifi. Then I tried beta 2 but it could not even recognise the Wifi adapter. Maybe I'll give beta 4 a try some day. Since Linux is also dropping support for old hardware, I think it would be a really nice alternative for very old hardware to teach programming and casual computing in poor regions.
The T61 was a good machine. It'll be interesting to see BeOS as a daily driver with everyday software like LibreOffice or something. ... I'll now watch the rest of the video. lol
I've had lots of problems with this OS Had to default some settings in BIOS to legacy Had to format the target hard drive to have 3 partitions - EFI system Data (At the very beginning), FAT32 after and then the BeFS on a large one after that - to stop it from freezing on boot up. Once installed on hardware, did a system update - downloaded a few different web browsers. All apps that I tried to use to access the internet would crash. Some of the non-internet apps would crash too. Then the audio was screwed up - would not send a signal out of the rear of the PC socket (yeah, I check the BIOS settings on that). I switched on all the settings on the "Media" app for all the sound channels but no effect. I tried playing a transferred video file but the audio was channeled though the "system sounds" tiny speaker instead.
It is so nice to see a few things. #1. Software running at the speed that computers used to respond at 20 years ago. #2. No stupid flat GUIs. #3. Actually innovative features.
I've got one of these T61 Thinkpads. Mine's got the NVS140M GPU (absolutely amazed that mine still works, these are basically the same GPUs as the 8000-series mobile GPUs used on 2007-2008 MacBook Pros which were notorious for having GPU issues, as well as other laptops which used those same GPUs). The main problem with these machines are the hinges which become really wobbly over time, as well as the palmrest, which is held together to the bottom part of the laptop by screws and very thin plastic.. the plastic bits that the screws go into break off very easily and the palmrest no longer sits flat and likes to almost come off with the latches on the display when opened. But an awesome keyboard and otherwise very well built machines with fantastic keyboards! On top of that almost anything runs on these when it comes to operating systems, well, at least on the integrated graphics models. The Nvidia versions don't really run too well with anything, unless you can get macOS running on them.
I have the R61 with integrated graphics still runs ubuntu quite well
will this work on the iBook g3 clamshell?
I was, in the main, very impressed with BeOs when I first discovered it. There are a few things I would change. However, the main one is, have they got rid of the need to have to manually adjust memory reserve balancing for all the different resources (like sprites, etc.)? Choosing to implement that really had me head scratching. Hopefully Haiku got rid of that one "feature"?
you got it 22 seconds and 44 milliseconds, nice :D
Back in the late '90s I had a TV tuner card and BeOS supported it natively.
blu-tack works great for securing laptop drives when the bracket is missing
This takes me back to when I used to quad boot DOS 7.1 / Windows 98SE / KDE Linux / BeOS, which all fit on an 8GB HDD!
Damn, it still hurts that BeOS failed. 😅 Happy to hear Haiku is making progress, I'll try it soon on an old Dell for sure...
Nice find with the SGI, whenever I see a non-PC clone machine my first thought is Linux box. Picked up a G4 cube once and after installing Debian it was much smoother than with MacOS X.
From which year is your Thinkpad?
Ah, that one obscure OS I happened to stumble upon. I'm ever more glad to see it improve further.
I'm giving it a shot. I've been discouraged before since it wasn't that stable or useful, but if I can use Libre Office, half a decent modern browser and a few other things it could provide some hours of joyful discovery.
BeOS was my daily driver for years. I'm happy about this.
Just a quick little note on the Minecraft issue you ran into, from the crash logs, it looks like you are trying to run the game with Java 14.0.2, while Minecraft versions 1.18 and up requires at least Java 17. I don't know how you can install Java 17 and configure it, but given that you mentioned someone got 1.19 to work, there should be a way.
I wish Haiku had accelerated graphics but man, what a cool system.
hi, I was committed to BeOS back in the day, the BeBox was too expensive but I had a full SCSI PC dual processor but I didn’t succeed to plug it into my new cable internet. BeOS was in a rom in BeBox, it fully started in 3 sec ( no login at this time)
Those Thinkpad drive bays want a kind of elongated rubber cup on each side of the drive. Instead, I used an eSATA cable with a couple of lugs chopped off, and a lot of blutak to hold the cable. It was nice to use a big ol 3.5" drive I already had, but I was always nervous of yanking the cable. The keys on one of my Thinkpads have worn so smooth, the Thinklight glares off them into my eyes. ;) It's great to see a snappy system. :) Hahaha! The line, "Nobody likes the Internet these days" made me very happy! XD Haiku has Wine? I've been happy keeping different operating systems on different devices but... oh wait, it's 64-bit only which rules out half the things I'd want to run on it. I don't do nightlies or any kind of rolling release if I can avoid it. Life is far too short. I'm sad to find that I'm getting increasingly sensitive to on-screen distractions, especially differing styles in the edges of my vision. Overlapping windows don't help either. Tabs might seem to help, but they leave the desktop with its icons visible. Window borders are part of the problem. I full-screen everything these days, while Haiku doesn't even have an obvious way to maximize windows.
That silicon graphics can run the Indigo irix edition and it has an awesome flight simulator.
pure awesomeness!
I think the package manager they designed for Haiku is pretty neat. From what I gather the packages are essentially virtual drives that just get mounted or unmounted if you uninstall
also slax is a great live cd for similar reasons
'Centrino' was the name for the combination of the Intel components used, CPU, GPU, Chipset, LAN etc.... not the CPU, the CPU (as you said) was simply a Core 2 Duo... :)
Interesting factoid! :)
I love this demo. But honestly if Epiphany is the best, i'm concerned. Firefox , or Chromium would definitely be worth it porting. Damn though Haiku has been modernized though. Which is nice. I may have to do a dev box with Haiku again. Even if i'm only poking part-time at ports.