My opinion on the Woodie Skill Tree with a focus on the Weremoose. Wanted to get this out there before the beta is closed in order to possibly affect some change.
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Corrections: - 0:54 Consuming a Kitchy Idol without the Curse Embracer Skill will hit you for 20 HP and 15 Sanity. - 1:12 You don't need to activate the Weretimer Skills in order to access Curse Embracer. - 2:28 You don't beat Charlie, you beat Fuel Weaver and make Charlie appear by giving the hand 5 Dreadstone.
@lardee13739 ай бұрын
He said that with the curse imbracer skill you don't have the downsides
@goosewithwifi8409 ай бұрын
He's unique and that makes him good
@MrkofSac9 ай бұрын
The changes are good but the way you unlock them is very tedious
@usernametaken0179 ай бұрын
Yeah, so what if you were able to wear armor with weremoose, but it actually just destroys it after you use it? Benefit, that doesn't make you a completely busted Beefalo that you can put armor on.
@aejiis8 ай бұрын
One thing with the hat Woodie can craft is that it does actually make a reliable peace of armor for followers, it’s very cheap and renewable so my friends spider army has way more effective HP with the hat
@brickphone80699 ай бұрын
Minor error. You don't need to get all 3 form extender buffs in order to unlock the curse affinity buff. You need 4 of any of the were buffs to unlock it.
@matthewbauerle71539 ай бұрын
Much thanks, this has been added to the pinned comment.
@lardee13739 ай бұрын
@@lardee1373its not pined😶
@Goofy909 ай бұрын
It's not perfect, but he went from a character I would never touch to a character I'd actively play
@dragonweirdocreap9 ай бұрын
For me as a Woodie man it’s now the opposite 😢
@nonmutualgroup9 ай бұрын
@@nonmutualgroupwould you explain why?
@freygarr39439 ай бұрын
@@freygarr3943cuz now you need to use more then 1 brain cell
@lordofminddisorders51859 ай бұрын
@@nonmutualgroup Is it because more people are playing woodie?? Please elaborate.
@dragonweirdocreap9 ай бұрын
@@lordofminddisorders5185 why would you say that
@nonmutualgroup9 ай бұрын
OMG new strat. Moose + Maxwell. Having Were-Moose making all shadow creatures passive means Maxwell can unleash 6 duelist and an unlimited amount of Cage and Snare spells on day one.
@Mr_Vol9 ай бұрын
This!😳👌
@sebastianpapadopoulos66109 ай бұрын
Sorry to rain on your parade but that doesn't work, the creatures are passive only to you when you're in Were-form.
@antynomity9 ай бұрын
@@sebastianpapadopoulos6610 I keep hearing that it only applies for when the Were-Form is insane. This idea should be tested more.
@Mr_Vol9 ай бұрын
what if the bird would allow you to fast travel like wortox instead of being a random teleport? with higher distances consuming more energy until it hits the limit
@skyblade579 ай бұрын
I think that would end up overlapping too much, I know wortox will get his own skills eventually, but if woody can teleport at will for 3 monster meat, he actually beats wortox at his own game, why play wortox? Especially when woody can now fight and gather better too? Not saying woodie can't use more love, but I think it's wise to respect character niches a bit, even if woodie is a jack of all trades.
@paulkocherhans6088 ай бұрын
What if Werebeaver couldn't use chest slot items, but would have a built-in Lazy Forager-like ability for wood and stones only? Maybe as a skill
@NotAWhaleAtAll9 ай бұрын
What if the treeguard idols also unlocked poison birchnut seeds, and when they grew up they followed you around picking up items like Wormwood's carrats?
@thomasdevlin58259 ай бұрын
I think one of the better ways to avoid stagnation would be to make the skillpoints tied to your world, perhaps have you start out with some, and of course make them unlock faster. In my opinion it would make them a lot less jarring, more fun and more dynamic as your power kind of scales with the world and gives you more to chew on with any given character.
@Synodysse9 ай бұрын
I assumed this was going to be the suggestion at the end honestly. Having permanent progression across worlds seems very against the spirit of DST, and leads to a "rich get richer" sort of situation too where it helps later game players more than newbies. It's good for Wilson IMO, but every other character largely already stands on their own and would benefit with a slow burn for these skill tree abilities. Plus it adds new ways to utilize a character as you exhaust the content in the world.
@_connorsseur9 ай бұрын
@@_connorsseurI'd prefer to think of it just as a player preference thing. If they made some of the skills more powerful, with only a finite amount of insight, rather than just being a power boost, it's also a way for the same character to fill multiple roles. (As it stands there's only one really good tree, but in the hypothetical, you'd be able to specialize where you'd like to, whether it's gathering, combat, movement etc.) It's definitely not the only direction it can go, but I appreciate the idea.
@josh___something9 ай бұрын
I have said for years that the were-forms should be able to wear amulets. It would give poeple a use to make them.
@Mr_Vol9 ай бұрын
But they can, idk about magi but technically you could wear a life amulet before transforming in weremoose
@Kroban_d4c9 ай бұрын
@@Kroban_d4chow so? It's automatically fall out whenever i transform
@w.d.maxwell68178 ай бұрын
I feel like if klei applied most of the stuff you want woodie would beacome overpowered, as he is already a fighter, resource gatherer, and explorer, so i think that woodie should just be a jack of all traits rather that the best woodcutter or the best fighter, he's already just a better wilson, let's leave it at that
@grzybek9019 ай бұрын
i love the image of weremoose resurrecting like klaus does if they add amulet slots for wereforms
@heathen6169 ай бұрын
I wanted to thank you because the beefalo video, I never thought having an ornary beefalo would be so useful
@Gabriel.5709 ай бұрын
I agree with the Weremoose power stagnation, I have a friend who refuses to play anyone but Wolfgang, and all she has to do is get a dark sword and marble armour, and that’s Wolfgang’s max power level.
@luciferous2779 ай бұрын
I don’t know how good of an idea this is but with the skill tree update I think it would be cool if you were able to switch between the different were forms on the fly, like how woodie did in his trailer, so you could use his goose form to kite then switch to moose to do damage ya know
@emeraldfunnyguy55609 ай бұрын
That sounds like a good idea for his shadow afinity(in addition to what he already have)
@user-rh2ee9mc4i9 ай бұрын
Man I wish there was atleast a mod that added that armor/head slot as you mentioned. Amazing ideas that would really make woodie feel like a 10/10 character.
@BaseCreation3 ай бұрын
Wolfgang doesnt flatline as much as Woodie because while using his main abilities by being mighty you can equip the items you want to equip. The thing you suggested where Woodie could equip anything while in were-form would definitely make him less boring with his abilities.
@antynomity9 ай бұрын
I think that Weregoose mastery should've given Woodie a Wortox-type teleport, my idea was that he could fly to anywhere that was already explored in the map, costing a huge amount of wereness (50% honestly sounds fair) and landing him in a random spot around that area which I think is fair considering that you're giving up Weremoose and Beaver mastery, and that Weregoose becomes underwhelming. Using up 3 monster meat and 2 seeds just to teleport home would also be a balanced perk IMO, compared to wanda's one-time investment or Wortox's souls being something you'd already have
@CatCatuna9 ай бұрын
Klei doing all these updates and I just want to see the healthbar of the enemies
@LunaWitcherArt9 ай бұрын
now hear me out, with every character having a skill tree any misshaps Klei does with a caracter a good and old mod can fix. i'm loving this ideia. Edit: guys don't be dumb, im talking editing a skill on the tree to something good/Fun/interesting, not removing it
@ivanmarcusdegoeslopes17059 ай бұрын
Or you could just not use the skill tree to the same effect
@TheRealTrigan9 ай бұрын
🗿
@mayson6969 ай бұрын
You like one of them teachers who announce to the class a kids mistake instead of just talking to them about it
@coreyboi8739 ай бұрын
@@coreyboi873 Nah, i just don't want me feed full of useless replys. Hopefully with the edit this is the last of this, not even that deep of a comment.
@ivanmarcusdegoeslopes17059 ай бұрын
@@ivanmarcusdegoeslopes1705 gotchu
@coreyboi8739 ай бұрын
WOW really cool channel. I like these video essays thingys about DST
@ASAZO9 ай бұрын
i see this as an absolute dub for woodie
@vehemetipolygoniae21979 ай бұрын
Great points. Love the Power Level opinions
@licifow9 ай бұрын
theres a thing that personally really weirds us out about this update and the concept of skill trees being universal as a whole. woodie is a character that was just kinda bad, he didn't excel at much and his were-forms sorta become a liability past a point, if not kinda starting that way due to not even being too great at what they were designed for, except for running around as the goose. but instead of buffing them at a baseline, they gave him a skilltree that makes them viable. this feels kinda weird. like, a player who tries playing as woodie for the first time is now substantially worse off than someone who has done a run as him before, but not even inherently because of skill and understanding of the character, but because stuff like weremoose being basically unusable in combat and kitschy idles being way worse to use without having perks for it. and it sorta compounds with your issue of power stagnation because there's nothing to really make woodie better over the run, so one woodie run at all sets him to full power by default on any world. we were more accepting of wilson keeping perks between worlds cuz like, he's wilson, he doesn't really have a basekit to balance at all, and his perks are mostly convenience kinda stuff. but when it comes to every other character it gets kinda awkward, cuz the game is already running into the trap of using skill trees to "buff" a character, but also having skill trees like wolfgang that are just giving him even bigger numbers to work with. personally our favorite skill tree right now is probably wormwood, it's mostly stuff that isn't being treated as a buff or just straight up being better (mostly), but little convenience things or crafting interactions relating to wormwood's archetype. the more combat oriented part of their skill tree is actually locked in use early game because it requires brightshade to begin with, which by that point, sure, why not break archetype a bit. it still requires putting in the work to reach that point and getting items specifically wormwood would want to reach max power. love the were-form buffs on woodie, but would prefer they just be a balance patch to them mostly, and having woodie's perks be more stuff like the lumberjack and woodcarving branches, stuff that's more small perks or crafting recipes feels more fitting as what this system should be used for, at least from our perspective. just kinda wanna avoid the hypothetical outcome of like, walter never getting a buff in the slightest, but getting a skill tree that "fixes him" so it's okay. or maybe we're thinking way too hard about this cuz we've literally never seen anyone else have this take on skill trees being added. sorry for the huge post, good video btw.
@yuki0nn49 ай бұрын
Read it all
@coreyboi8739 ай бұрын
@@coreyboi873 read what all
@yuki0nn49 ай бұрын
@@yuki0nn4 I read all of your message Buddy
@coreyboi8739 ай бұрын
@@coreyboi873 oh, sorry. thank you. accidentally took that as a command, like, telling us to read all of something.
@yuki0nn49 ай бұрын
@@yuki0nn4 your good big bro
@coreyboi8739 ай бұрын
12:24 A change to allow the Werebeaver to also multitask could be by allowing moleworms to collect and burrow any item in the ground, including wood (currently they only burrow rock-related items) This way you could cut down a lot of trees in Werebeaver form and the moles would collect all the wood in nice stacks for you to dig up Since this tech is so useful when mass collecting rocks from stone fruits, I suspect it would also be useful for collecting wood
@viniciusgoulart50779 ай бұрын
most of these perks feel like stuff woodie should have as apart of their base character
@Sleepy_Cabbage9 ай бұрын
When you rework Woodie you call it Woodworking
@CarrionPorkus9 ай бұрын
nice keyboard display lol great video otherwise though! your videos are always so brief while still being technical. Well done!
@jaytheman53869 ай бұрын
I dont get why they are so hesitant to make him a strong character, like even in the wood gathering perspective, which is like his whole character inicially, he is not the best and kinda only decent
@randowl4049 ай бұрын
I might actually play this game again.
@xPumaFangx9 ай бұрын
These chapters are hilarious. Where goose,, where beaver, wear goose, wear moves 2...
@vlassispolitis-a9 ай бұрын
Bro, i Am wheeping after playing him. Lets just say, during frog rain, you can accumulate close up to 200 frog legs xD
@stanislawpawlowski53297 ай бұрын
would have been cool for the beaver to be able to carry items on his tail inside a crumpled package that has maybe like 10 slots (but not be able to use them) as a skill with that they could pick up logs and pinecones and when u turn back, the crumpled package with the items is dropped on the ground where u turned human
@zzz-ovidiu20158 ай бұрын
Good suggestions and criticism
@ronanclark21299 ай бұрын
In a word, yes. In more words, yes, it is.
@Going4Broke25289 ай бұрын
i still wanna be able to change forms on the fly, maybe a special end-game craft idol. They could've gave goose a wind-ish atack to wipe fires/push enemies/itens ... a way to stack the logs?
@rhnirsilva6529 ай бұрын
I keep coming back to Weremoose.... His character is just so fun to play. Playing him plays like you're playing a super hero because as Woodie you're a little weak but with your idols you can transform into these awesome things with their own unique powers and mechanics. You're absolutely right though in that he feels super stagnant and your suggestions are brilliant. I know you mentioned that there's no point in using Weremoose if you're just character switching but I disagree with you there. He's just so fun. Screw Wolfgang. Moose doing 1.8-3x damage is even MORE fun. And because of the nature of his powers Woodie is kind of built to find lunar island early and set up an automatic volt goat. You could probably get to 2-3 herds by the first summer. I know it's an issue with the game dseign itself but I feel that getting that volt goat farm set up is PART of Woodie's progression. He'll never really need a thulecite crown or club but 1.8x - 3x damage versus big baddies and an easy time with all the seasonal bosses, mini-bosses and mobs just make the game super fun to play.
@paolom43293 ай бұрын
i think the skill tree is actually very good and most of what you ask for is not needed, but the turf thing is actually a really really good idea
@maddladd37768 ай бұрын
does quicker picker not help woodie/beaver pick up the wood better? I know using so many perks just for wood isnt ideal but hey
@Skelewar9 ай бұрын
You don't need extended were forms timer for curse embracer just 3 skills from "Curse" section (if they didn't change it)
@lostmysanity77529 ай бұрын
Great video! I would like if in goose form woodie can keep his backpack (or armor) and hat gear items so that goose is actually useful in mid/late game to transport from A to B. This being a replacement for final mastery for goose (the flying thing ).
@NIDZA19 ай бұрын
Im 99% sure all were forms keep the backpack on, but nothing else.
@justragnar86679 ай бұрын
this is huge! Fellow hosers rise up! 🍁
@nattyboop49 ай бұрын
i hope one of the skill trees helps with quick planting trees :')
@tekoknight19499 ай бұрын
Are you going to make another Wigfrid and the Moose video including the new Weremoose buffs?
@Von-Nix9 ай бұрын
Amazing update wow
@coreyboi8739 ай бұрын
Make goose flap tornadoes that stack items
@cheemborg13019 ай бұрын
Tbh i was stuck on lumar island as woodie in a tiny section that I can't get to main it was a bit fun while my friend was getting on boat to save me
@matisslee63582 ай бұрын
Seems the form extension skills increase the were form by 1 min each. Meaning all 3 can make a single were from last 7 minutes
@merefailninja9539 ай бұрын
i want to know how to beat dragonfly with solo weremoose
@pedrosaldana1769 ай бұрын
that last power up... almost as if, Woodie really will pick the dark side heh
@akipawsproduction66969 ай бұрын
I don't know if you saw but they halved the Moose's hp regeneration, it's 1.5 hp each 5 seconds.
@creativename25679 ай бұрын
They reverted that pretty fast after doing it
@BigHatLoganGaming9 ай бұрын
@@BigHatLoganGaming Read again, they only reverted the damage nerf
@creativename25679 ай бұрын
@@creativename2567 I hadn't read it myself, I was just getting reports from some youtubers because it's easier to just listen while doing other tasks. Guess they just straight up lied lmao
@BigHatLoganGaming9 ай бұрын
@@BigHatLoganGaming Right now the only changes to Weremoose after this video are that he gets stun immunity on his 2nd and 3rd punch, and the regen was halved. They nerfed and reverted the damage change to the 3rd punch. Weremoose is in a near-perfect spot now imo, the charge being usable for kiting, the nerfed regen not being too overpowered while effectively giving him some more health to survive some exhausting bosses like Toadstool, the stun immunity making the 3rd hit damage more consistent, being able to move at default speed, just, everything about every change to the moose feels so good and fun. Can't wait until the update hits live servers.
@masterblaster26789 ай бұрын
@@BigHatLoganGaming they lied then lmfao
@chasefray9 ай бұрын
how about regen like "blank" life per second while in combat but when not having been damaged in the last "so manY" seconds.. Would force players to avoid attacks... OR... lower his base armor if the healing it too strong
@HandicappedMind9 ай бұрын
wild that the hotfix essentially made the exact change that lardee wanted to happen to moose's regen lmao
@chasefray9 ай бұрын
It's fine for some characters to start with all their power. We don't need every character to be the same, or to have the same power level right from the start. That variety is what makes the early game fun when playing as different characters. Also new players need characters that are strong from the start, and it's not like Woodie can't level up as you, you need to craft the idols and you need to learn the strats for the Moose dodging. That seems completely fine to me.
@titodickdickmanbaby31489 ай бұрын
11:18 when you have shadow perk and you are moose you can attack shadows by charge or by 3rd attack in combo but your normal terrorbeaks or crawling horrors you cant
@Pertu8209 ай бұрын
i really hope this update comes to switch
@Squorb9 ай бұрын
His living tree effigy is so good, easy way to kill toadstool for once.
@Hypnossquared7 ай бұрын
anyone knows a date of release this beta?
@dude71949 ай бұрын
woodie not wendy :(
@Donchan19 ай бұрын
Finally woodie is now op
@dehydrated19 ай бұрын
11% moving speed (0.999) speed than normal speed :v
@alizvondhordez43149 ай бұрын
9:49 You forget to mention that that third hit doesnt work for kiting, like you show at 9:51 Unless you can do full 3 hit combo which is harder as moose attacks slower, you dont get that sweet 150 13:44 My ide awould be giving goose 1-3 slot inventory but it autopickups whatever it runs (loose items only) over, Why? Picking up nicely packed stacks is much faster than each and every log alone. Goose sucks after early game and this would make it amazing
@Devit429 ай бұрын
Probably
@GodOfDestructionGeorge9 ай бұрын
Regarding Woldie's tree collection speed compared to maxwell I don't think that Woodie HAS to be the #1 wood harvesting speed character tbh. Yes, while it would fit his character, he already has many upsides over maxwell in comparison combat wise, especially with the buffed were-moose now. As well as Woodie being the one of, if not the best scouting characters with were-goose- AND the now added utility of making discount walking canes for the entire server, the board crafting efficiency, and the treeguard totems. If maxwell wasn't as good at harvesting stuff as woodie, people woildn't have much reason to play him, unless they were maybe newer players who wanted to manage sanity easier
@Gerpar_9 ай бұрын
You underestimate Maxwell, he is also better at fighting than woodie, at least on the bosses that matter. Only thing Woodie is better than Max is early game map exploration.
@johng.a.90948 ай бұрын
0:31 I have heard you complain almost every time they make a change to this game. This is not a surprise.
@scrubzero17359 ай бұрын
well , i wanted a woodie buff but ... not in that way
@GrinekPL.9 ай бұрын
I think that this is pretty much about as good as a woodie skilltree would get, at first I was scared about nerfing the health generation ending up in going overboard and making it worthless (wormwood skilltree healing at time of writing lol) obviously there are issues this still lacks, like i would love if the amulet addition was added, but not many complaints (also I feel as if the section of this video dedicated to the healing being too strong is really necessary anymore)
@YaGirlZero9 ай бұрын
18:45 Can someone tell me why Year of the Bunnyman is important for Wendy?
@bartoszkot98169 ай бұрын
She can deconstruct the pillows to get steel wool and make a war saddle for a beefalo. Usually, Ewecus don’t appear until a little while after the world has been made, so with the bunnyman event, you can rush the war saddle
@endmysuffering29257 ай бұрын
probably be most enlightened take on the woodie skill tree. common lardee W
@Hexagrontley9 ай бұрын
Is that sackboy from terraria 2?
@weedGato9 ай бұрын
This seems busted but I’ll have to wait until I try it to be sure
@dcmonster0029 ай бұрын
I think skill points need a rework. You shouldn't be able to permanently unlock them But speedrunners should be able to use them. So unlock one skill point every 5 days and get a free skill point everytime a boss is defeated. This would make weremoose weaker in the early game, but would get progressively stronger. The problem ofc is joining day 200+ worlds where you are weaker than everyone, but who tf does that?
@verestoyjanos50139 ай бұрын
yes
@Felix-tz6hn9 ай бұрын
lol what. As far as i know, woodies identity isn't supposed to be that he picks stuff up efficiently. And the other suggestions would just make him way too strong or they just make zero sense. With what you're saying, wigfrid shouldn't be allowed to exist either (wich is a dumb sentiment)
@manbagan9 ай бұрын
Why does Wendy get better once you activate the year of the bunnymen event? is it because you can feed beefalos the mooncakes?
@Matheus-uv1dc9 ай бұрын
When Cozy Bunnyman spawns, some of them places a Steel Wool Pillow Armor on the ground which you can deconstruct for fast and consistent Steel Wool for crafting War Saddle.
@meliwei9 ай бұрын
even though they fixed all the problems for the most part, the weremoose still doesn't sit right with me. Don't get me wrong, they changes they made make him actually really good, but the problem is the base kit weremoose is still just as bad as it's always been, and it feels like the perks are just picking up the slack. The other were forms are perfectly usable right out of the package, they do exactly what they need to do, which is why I don't think I'd invest insight into them, but it feels like I need to unlock all four weremoose perks before I can even use it, imagine if Maxwell never got reworked and all of his current perks had to be unlocked via his skill tree, that's pretty much how I see the weremoose. I wish they would give the characters some minor TLC with their skill trees, like removing the movement speed and attack speed penalties, along with some minor reworking of the perks for balancing, so that his perks actually felt like additions rather than CPR
@thomasdevlin58259 ай бұрын
amen brother
@jonsena13732 ай бұрын
I think the healing part is outdated
@chirsgw53609 ай бұрын
Nah, beaver don't need a buff, Woody can't be best at everything.
@Rig0r_M0rtis7 ай бұрын
I dont agree with some of what u said like at all, 3 monster meat? U make it sound like thats worth Anything especially late game???
@tekoknight19499 ай бұрын
you people want characters to be so powerful the game isnt a survival game anymore
@myster1ousdemon9 ай бұрын
He’s been nerfed
@tomioka84059 ай бұрын
They removed his 1 downside 😭
@Retepeter1449 ай бұрын
The downside to a very mid character... Yeah, I think that's fair.
@josh___something9 ай бұрын
Its not like all character have a huge downside For example, what is wolfgang's downside?
@user-rh2ee9mc4i9 ай бұрын
Woodie is 100% the best wood chopper right now, while Maxwell is the best harvester (all materials) It should stay that way. They just aren't at the same level, and that's fine.
@tin71399 ай бұрын
The greatest buff is that the Were forms can dance.
@donanilao77248 ай бұрын
I hope that Wickerbottom rework will turn her into a proper battle mage and will have like two or three times more grind and variables on books and passive perks , which will create several "versions" of Wickerbottom. She truly deserves to be THE character of this game. I agree that the skills etc. should allow for longer gameplay and characters should scale more - things like Maxwell gaining a bonus "free worker" for each Shadow Helmet player received - and a way to make each shadow maxwell stronger, either by giving them physical armor/weapon or by giving Maxwell spells in his book that maybe heal his shadow clones or revive recently dead ones. THere's so much to do to make this game amazing.
@AdamWieczorek-Vetinari9 ай бұрын
I think Woodie's ability to pick up items faster was Klei's response at making Woodie better at gathering wood.
@poisonrune9 ай бұрын
Personally I think Woodie was fine even before the skilltree buff. I remember when everyone said he was a direct upgrade to Wilson a few weeks after his rework
@Abomdosnow9 ай бұрын
Soooo, Wilson will become the weakest character again (exept wes ofc)
@murkel76349 ай бұрын
We cant be sure untill wes gets his skill tree
@user-rh2ee9mc4i9 ай бұрын
lardingus
@guille67859 ай бұрын
Everyone is getting too OP. Some of these buffs should only be activated after late game accomplishment like beating Fuelweaver or have a structure similar to upgrading pearl's house.
@tacogodboomdogg9 ай бұрын
These ARE late game, to unlock all of your skills you'd need to survive 150 days, everything else for the next run for example is a reward of your previous time.
@YaGirlZero9 ай бұрын
It is not good, IT'S OP
@Pertu8209 ай бұрын
It’s funny to me how devs can make a broken character and people will still make videos on how they can be better. Chill man. He needs downsides for the upsides. It’s called balance. Asking for the beaver to auto pick up is so dumb. Be happy you can ground pound Klei if you’re watching this, scroll pass. This crybaby just wants woodie to be indestructible. Dude go build a mod and stfu
@EnchantedMagna8 ай бұрын
Groundpound sucks, it is only usefull for megabasers and they dont use it to gather wood.
@johng.a.90948 ай бұрын
@@johng.a.9094 ground pound is a godsend when you need loads of wood or marble in a pinch and you already killed Bearger a couple days back or… it’s the first year.
@EnchantedMagna8 ай бұрын
@@EnchantedMagna Beaver without groundpound is enough if loads of wood in a pinch is needed, it already gathers a lot of wood, especially if it has the second perk that makes it take one fewer bite to down a tree and even this one I dont take unless I want the third perk for Ryftstal and Dreadstone Outcrop (or ultra rushing nightmare werepig) because I find the base form to be enough for wood. Needing loads of marble in a pinch is stretching things , it takes a minimun of 10 days for a bunch of close planted marble trees to grow to max stage, I dont mega base nor need to stack a whole multiplayer server with marble by myself in a pinch so beaver's first upgrade is enough for me if I need to farm planted marble since I only use marble to make marble suits to solo beequeen. Those things are especially true in the first year of the world, early game Weremoose mastery or Weregoose mastery saves much more time than Beaver's groundpound - Weregoose mastery is not even good, only usefull to extend the time you stay in water by flying away when the weremeeter is near ending so you can stay longer in deep water looking for moonquay island but it is still better than Beaver groundpound early game.
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@@johng.a.9094 let’s not forget celestial portal is a thing and restating is a thing also. I literally use every perk from max beaver to max moose.. not the goose tho. If I need wood I switch to Woodie and stat him accordingly. If I need to clear an area of trees that are far apart I may max moose and use base beaver to clear and max moose for normal play in case I need to clear a hound wave or fight a tree guard. But you don’t really need to choose. It’s not set in stone
@EnchantedMagna8 ай бұрын
@@EnchantedMagna Fair enough, the problem with the groundpound is that it is niche and feels more like a sidegrade to normal beaver than an upgrade , klei could allow trees downed by it to drop wood in stacks of the amount fallen from a single tree, for example: you down 5 fully grown picone trees using it and than each one of them would drop one stack of 3 logs, same amount of wood just easier to gather afterwards. Even with a change like this there would be better methods to gather wood like Beager , Maxwell + Palmcone trees or some farm using merms.
Corrections: - 0:54 Consuming a Kitchy Idol without the Curse Embracer Skill will hit you for 20 HP and 15 Sanity. - 1:12 You don't need to activate the Weretimer Skills in order to access Curse Embracer. - 2:28 You don't beat Charlie, you beat Fuel Weaver and make Charlie appear by giving the hand 5 Dreadstone.
He said that with the curse imbracer skill you don't have the downsides
He's unique and that makes him good
The changes are good but the way you unlock them is very tedious
Yeah, so what if you were able to wear armor with weremoose, but it actually just destroys it after you use it? Benefit, that doesn't make you a completely busted Beefalo that you can put armor on.
One thing with the hat Woodie can craft is that it does actually make a reliable peace of armor for followers, it’s very cheap and renewable so my friends spider army has way more effective HP with the hat
Minor error. You don't need to get all 3 form extender buffs in order to unlock the curse affinity buff. You need 4 of any of the were buffs to unlock it.
Much thanks, this has been added to the pinned comment.
@@lardee1373its not pined😶
It's not perfect, but he went from a character I would never touch to a character I'd actively play
For me as a Woodie man it’s now the opposite 😢
@@nonmutualgroupwould you explain why?
@@freygarr3943cuz now you need to use more then 1 brain cell
@@nonmutualgroup Is it because more people are playing woodie?? Please elaborate.
@@lordofminddisorders5185 why would you say that
OMG new strat. Moose + Maxwell. Having Were-Moose making all shadow creatures passive means Maxwell can unleash 6 duelist and an unlimited amount of Cage and Snare spells on day one.
This!😳👌
Sorry to rain on your parade but that doesn't work, the creatures are passive only to you when you're in Were-form.
@@sebastianpapadopoulos6610 I keep hearing that it only applies for when the Were-Form is insane. This idea should be tested more.
what if the bird would allow you to fast travel like wortox instead of being a random teleport? with higher distances consuming more energy until it hits the limit
I think that would end up overlapping too much, I know wortox will get his own skills eventually, but if woody can teleport at will for 3 monster meat, he actually beats wortox at his own game, why play wortox? Especially when woody can now fight and gather better too? Not saying woodie can't use more love, but I think it's wise to respect character niches a bit, even if woodie is a jack of all trades.
What if Werebeaver couldn't use chest slot items, but would have a built-in Lazy Forager-like ability for wood and stones only? Maybe as a skill
What if the treeguard idols also unlocked poison birchnut seeds, and when they grew up they followed you around picking up items like Wormwood's carrats?
I think one of the better ways to avoid stagnation would be to make the skillpoints tied to your world, perhaps have you start out with some, and of course make them unlock faster. In my opinion it would make them a lot less jarring, more fun and more dynamic as your power kind of scales with the world and gives you more to chew on with any given character.
I assumed this was going to be the suggestion at the end honestly. Having permanent progression across worlds seems very against the spirit of DST, and leads to a "rich get richer" sort of situation too where it helps later game players more than newbies. It's good for Wilson IMO, but every other character largely already stands on their own and would benefit with a slow burn for these skill tree abilities. Plus it adds new ways to utilize a character as you exhaust the content in the world.
@@_connorsseurI'd prefer to think of it just as a player preference thing. If they made some of the skills more powerful, with only a finite amount of insight, rather than just being a power boost, it's also a way for the same character to fill multiple roles. (As it stands there's only one really good tree, but in the hypothetical, you'd be able to specialize where you'd like to, whether it's gathering, combat, movement etc.) It's definitely not the only direction it can go, but I appreciate the idea.
I have said for years that the were-forms should be able to wear amulets. It would give poeple a use to make them.
But they can, idk about magi but technically you could wear a life amulet before transforming in weremoose
@@Kroban_d4chow so? It's automatically fall out whenever i transform
I feel like if klei applied most of the stuff you want woodie would beacome overpowered, as he is already a fighter, resource gatherer, and explorer, so i think that woodie should just be a jack of all traits rather that the best woodcutter or the best fighter, he's already just a better wilson, let's leave it at that
i love the image of weremoose resurrecting like klaus does if they add amulet slots for wereforms
I wanted to thank you because the beefalo video, I never thought having an ornary beefalo would be so useful
I agree with the Weremoose power stagnation, I have a friend who refuses to play anyone but Wolfgang, and all she has to do is get a dark sword and marble armour, and that’s Wolfgang’s max power level.
I don’t know how good of an idea this is but with the skill tree update I think it would be cool if you were able to switch between the different were forms on the fly, like how woodie did in his trailer, so you could use his goose form to kite then switch to moose to do damage ya know
That sounds like a good idea for his shadow afinity(in addition to what he already have)
Man I wish there was atleast a mod that added that armor/head slot as you mentioned. Amazing ideas that would really make woodie feel like a 10/10 character.
Wolfgang doesnt flatline as much as Woodie because while using his main abilities by being mighty you can equip the items you want to equip. The thing you suggested where Woodie could equip anything while in were-form would definitely make him less boring with his abilities.
I think that Weregoose mastery should've given Woodie a Wortox-type teleport, my idea was that he could fly to anywhere that was already explored in the map, costing a huge amount of wereness (50% honestly sounds fair) and landing him in a random spot around that area which I think is fair considering that you're giving up Weremoose and Beaver mastery, and that Weregoose becomes underwhelming. Using up 3 monster meat and 2 seeds just to teleport home would also be a balanced perk IMO, compared to wanda's one-time investment or Wortox's souls being something you'd already have
Klei doing all these updates and I just want to see the healthbar of the enemies
now hear me out, with every character having a skill tree any misshaps Klei does with a caracter a good and old mod can fix. i'm loving this ideia. Edit: guys don't be dumb, im talking editing a skill on the tree to something good/Fun/interesting, not removing it
Or you could just not use the skill tree to the same effect
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You like one of them teachers who announce to the class a kids mistake instead of just talking to them about it
@@coreyboi873 Nah, i just don't want me feed full of useless replys. Hopefully with the edit this is the last of this, not even that deep of a comment.
@@ivanmarcusdegoeslopes1705 gotchu
WOW really cool channel. I like these video essays thingys about DST
i see this as an absolute dub for woodie
Great points. Love the Power Level opinions
theres a thing that personally really weirds us out about this update and the concept of skill trees being universal as a whole. woodie is a character that was just kinda bad, he didn't excel at much and his were-forms sorta become a liability past a point, if not kinda starting that way due to not even being too great at what they were designed for, except for running around as the goose. but instead of buffing them at a baseline, they gave him a skilltree that makes them viable. this feels kinda weird. like, a player who tries playing as woodie for the first time is now substantially worse off than someone who has done a run as him before, but not even inherently because of skill and understanding of the character, but because stuff like weremoose being basically unusable in combat and kitschy idles being way worse to use without having perks for it. and it sorta compounds with your issue of power stagnation because there's nothing to really make woodie better over the run, so one woodie run at all sets him to full power by default on any world. we were more accepting of wilson keeping perks between worlds cuz like, he's wilson, he doesn't really have a basekit to balance at all, and his perks are mostly convenience kinda stuff. but when it comes to every other character it gets kinda awkward, cuz the game is already running into the trap of using skill trees to "buff" a character, but also having skill trees like wolfgang that are just giving him even bigger numbers to work with. personally our favorite skill tree right now is probably wormwood, it's mostly stuff that isn't being treated as a buff or just straight up being better (mostly), but little convenience things or crafting interactions relating to wormwood's archetype. the more combat oriented part of their skill tree is actually locked in use early game because it requires brightshade to begin with, which by that point, sure, why not break archetype a bit. it still requires putting in the work to reach that point and getting items specifically wormwood would want to reach max power. love the were-form buffs on woodie, but would prefer they just be a balance patch to them mostly, and having woodie's perks be more stuff like the lumberjack and woodcarving branches, stuff that's more small perks or crafting recipes feels more fitting as what this system should be used for, at least from our perspective. just kinda wanna avoid the hypothetical outcome of like, walter never getting a buff in the slightest, but getting a skill tree that "fixes him" so it's okay. or maybe we're thinking way too hard about this cuz we've literally never seen anyone else have this take on skill trees being added. sorry for the huge post, good video btw.
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@@coreyboi873 read what all
@@yuki0nn4 I read all of your message Buddy
@@coreyboi873 oh, sorry. thank you. accidentally took that as a command, like, telling us to read all of something.
@@yuki0nn4 your good big bro
12:24 A change to allow the Werebeaver to also multitask could be by allowing moleworms to collect and burrow any item in the ground, including wood (currently they only burrow rock-related items) This way you could cut down a lot of trees in Werebeaver form and the moles would collect all the wood in nice stacks for you to dig up Since this tech is so useful when mass collecting rocks from stone fruits, I suspect it would also be useful for collecting wood
most of these perks feel like stuff woodie should have as apart of their base character
When you rework Woodie you call it Woodworking
nice keyboard display lol great video otherwise though! your videos are always so brief while still being technical. Well done!
I dont get why they are so hesitant to make him a strong character, like even in the wood gathering perspective, which is like his whole character inicially, he is not the best and kinda only decent
I might actually play this game again.
These chapters are hilarious. Where goose,, where beaver, wear goose, wear moves 2...
Bro, i Am wheeping after playing him. Lets just say, during frog rain, you can accumulate close up to 200 frog legs xD
would have been cool for the beaver to be able to carry items on his tail inside a crumpled package that has maybe like 10 slots (but not be able to use them) as a skill with that they could pick up logs and pinecones and when u turn back, the crumpled package with the items is dropped on the ground where u turned human
Good suggestions and criticism
In a word, yes. In more words, yes, it is.
i still wanna be able to change forms on the fly, maybe a special end-game craft idol. They could've gave goose a wind-ish atack to wipe fires/push enemies/itens ... a way to stack the logs?
I keep coming back to Weremoose.... His character is just so fun to play. Playing him plays like you're playing a super hero because as Woodie you're a little weak but with your idols you can transform into these awesome things with their own unique powers and mechanics. You're absolutely right though in that he feels super stagnant and your suggestions are brilliant. I know you mentioned that there's no point in using Weremoose if you're just character switching but I disagree with you there. He's just so fun. Screw Wolfgang. Moose doing 1.8-3x damage is even MORE fun. And because of the nature of his powers Woodie is kind of built to find lunar island early and set up an automatic volt goat. You could probably get to 2-3 herds by the first summer. I know it's an issue with the game dseign itself but I feel that getting that volt goat farm set up is PART of Woodie's progression. He'll never really need a thulecite crown or club but 1.8x - 3x damage versus big baddies and an easy time with all the seasonal bosses, mini-bosses and mobs just make the game super fun to play.
i think the skill tree is actually very good and most of what you ask for is not needed, but the turf thing is actually a really really good idea
does quicker picker not help woodie/beaver pick up the wood better? I know using so many perks just for wood isnt ideal but hey
You don't need extended were forms timer for curse embracer just 3 skills from "Curse" section (if they didn't change it)
Great video! I would like if in goose form woodie can keep his backpack (or armor) and hat gear items so that goose is actually useful in mid/late game to transport from A to B. This being a replacement for final mastery for goose (the flying thing ).
Im 99% sure all were forms keep the backpack on, but nothing else.
this is huge! Fellow hosers rise up! 🍁
i hope one of the skill trees helps with quick planting trees :')
Are you going to make another Wigfrid and the Moose video including the new Weremoose buffs?
Amazing update wow
Make goose flap tornadoes that stack items
Tbh i was stuck on lumar island as woodie in a tiny section that I can't get to main it was a bit fun while my friend was getting on boat to save me
Seems the form extension skills increase the were form by 1 min each. Meaning all 3 can make a single were from last 7 minutes
i want to know how to beat dragonfly with solo weremoose
that last power up... almost as if, Woodie really will pick the dark side heh
I don't know if you saw but they halved the Moose's hp regeneration, it's 1.5 hp each 5 seconds.
They reverted that pretty fast after doing it
@@BigHatLoganGaming Read again, they only reverted the damage nerf
@@creativename2567 I hadn't read it myself, I was just getting reports from some youtubers because it's easier to just listen while doing other tasks. Guess they just straight up lied lmao
@@BigHatLoganGaming Right now the only changes to Weremoose after this video are that he gets stun immunity on his 2nd and 3rd punch, and the regen was halved. They nerfed and reverted the damage change to the 3rd punch. Weremoose is in a near-perfect spot now imo, the charge being usable for kiting, the nerfed regen not being too overpowered while effectively giving him some more health to survive some exhausting bosses like Toadstool, the stun immunity making the 3rd hit damage more consistent, being able to move at default speed, just, everything about every change to the moose feels so good and fun. Can't wait until the update hits live servers.
@@BigHatLoganGaming they lied then lmfao
how about regen like "blank" life per second while in combat but when not having been damaged in the last "so manY" seconds.. Would force players to avoid attacks... OR... lower his base armor if the healing it too strong
wild that the hotfix essentially made the exact change that lardee wanted to happen to moose's regen lmao
It's fine for some characters to start with all their power. We don't need every character to be the same, or to have the same power level right from the start. That variety is what makes the early game fun when playing as different characters. Also new players need characters that are strong from the start, and it's not like Woodie can't level up as you, you need to craft the idols and you need to learn the strats for the Moose dodging. That seems completely fine to me.
11:18 when you have shadow perk and you are moose you can attack shadows by charge or by 3rd attack in combo but your normal terrorbeaks or crawling horrors you cant
i really hope this update comes to switch
His living tree effigy is so good, easy way to kill toadstool for once.
anyone knows a date of release this beta?
woodie not wendy :(
Finally woodie is now op
11% moving speed (0.999) speed than normal speed :v
9:49 You forget to mention that that third hit doesnt work for kiting, like you show at 9:51 Unless you can do full 3 hit combo which is harder as moose attacks slower, you dont get that sweet 150 13:44 My ide awould be giving goose 1-3 slot inventory but it autopickups whatever it runs (loose items only) over, Why? Picking up nicely packed stacks is much faster than each and every log alone. Goose sucks after early game and this would make it amazing
Probably
Regarding Woldie's tree collection speed compared to maxwell I don't think that Woodie HAS to be the #1 wood harvesting speed character tbh. Yes, while it would fit his character, he already has many upsides over maxwell in comparison combat wise, especially with the buffed were-moose now. As well as Woodie being the one of, if not the best scouting characters with were-goose- AND the now added utility of making discount walking canes for the entire server, the board crafting efficiency, and the treeguard totems. If maxwell wasn't as good at harvesting stuff as woodie, people woildn't have much reason to play him, unless they were maybe newer players who wanted to manage sanity easier
You underestimate Maxwell, he is also better at fighting than woodie, at least on the bosses that matter. Only thing Woodie is better than Max is early game map exploration.
0:31 I have heard you complain almost every time they make a change to this game. This is not a surprise.
well , i wanted a woodie buff but ... not in that way
I think that this is pretty much about as good as a woodie skilltree would get, at first I was scared about nerfing the health generation ending up in going overboard and making it worthless (wormwood skilltree healing at time of writing lol) obviously there are issues this still lacks, like i would love if the amulet addition was added, but not many complaints (also I feel as if the section of this video dedicated to the healing being too strong is really necessary anymore)
18:45 Can someone tell me why Year of the Bunnyman is important for Wendy?
She can deconstruct the pillows to get steel wool and make a war saddle for a beefalo. Usually, Ewecus don’t appear until a little while after the world has been made, so with the bunnyman event, you can rush the war saddle
probably be most enlightened take on the woodie skill tree. common lardee W
Is that sackboy from terraria 2?
This seems busted but I’ll have to wait until I try it to be sure
I think skill points need a rework. You shouldn't be able to permanently unlock them But speedrunners should be able to use them. So unlock one skill point every 5 days and get a free skill point everytime a boss is defeated. This would make weremoose weaker in the early game, but would get progressively stronger. The problem ofc is joining day 200+ worlds where you are weaker than everyone, but who tf does that?
yes
lol what. As far as i know, woodies identity isn't supposed to be that he picks stuff up efficiently. And the other suggestions would just make him way too strong or they just make zero sense. With what you're saying, wigfrid shouldn't be allowed to exist either (wich is a dumb sentiment)
Why does Wendy get better once you activate the year of the bunnymen event? is it because you can feed beefalos the mooncakes?
When Cozy Bunnyman spawns, some of them places a Steel Wool Pillow Armor on the ground which you can deconstruct for fast and consistent Steel Wool for crafting War Saddle.
even though they fixed all the problems for the most part, the weremoose still doesn't sit right with me. Don't get me wrong, they changes they made make him actually really good, but the problem is the base kit weremoose is still just as bad as it's always been, and it feels like the perks are just picking up the slack. The other were forms are perfectly usable right out of the package, they do exactly what they need to do, which is why I don't think I'd invest insight into them, but it feels like I need to unlock all four weremoose perks before I can even use it, imagine if Maxwell never got reworked and all of his current perks had to be unlocked via his skill tree, that's pretty much how I see the weremoose. I wish they would give the characters some minor TLC with their skill trees, like removing the movement speed and attack speed penalties, along with some minor reworking of the perks for balancing, so that his perks actually felt like additions rather than CPR
amen brother
I think the healing part is outdated
Nah, beaver don't need a buff, Woody can't be best at everything.
I dont agree with some of what u said like at all, 3 monster meat? U make it sound like thats worth Anything especially late game???
you people want characters to be so powerful the game isnt a survival game anymore
He’s been nerfed
They removed his 1 downside 😭
The downside to a very mid character... Yeah, I think that's fair.
Its not like all character have a huge downside For example, what is wolfgang's downside?
Woodie is 100% the best wood chopper right now, while Maxwell is the best harvester (all materials) It should stay that way. They just aren't at the same level, and that's fine.
The greatest buff is that the Were forms can dance.
I hope that Wickerbottom rework will turn her into a proper battle mage and will have like two or three times more grind and variables on books and passive perks , which will create several "versions" of Wickerbottom. She truly deserves to be THE character of this game. I agree that the skills etc. should allow for longer gameplay and characters should scale more - things like Maxwell gaining a bonus "free worker" for each Shadow Helmet player received - and a way to make each shadow maxwell stronger, either by giving them physical armor/weapon or by giving Maxwell spells in his book that maybe heal his shadow clones or revive recently dead ones. THere's so much to do to make this game amazing.
I think Woodie's ability to pick up items faster was Klei's response at making Woodie better at gathering wood.
Personally I think Woodie was fine even before the skilltree buff. I remember when everyone said he was a direct upgrade to Wilson a few weeks after his rework
Soooo, Wilson will become the weakest character again (exept wes ofc)
We cant be sure untill wes gets his skill tree
lardingus
Everyone is getting too OP. Some of these buffs should only be activated after late game accomplishment like beating Fuelweaver or have a structure similar to upgrading pearl's house.
These ARE late game, to unlock all of your skills you'd need to survive 150 days, everything else for the next run for example is a reward of your previous time.
It is not good, IT'S OP
It’s funny to me how devs can make a broken character and people will still make videos on how they can be better. Chill man. He needs downsides for the upsides. It’s called balance. Asking for the beaver to auto pick up is so dumb. Be happy you can ground pound Klei if you’re watching this, scroll pass. This crybaby just wants woodie to be indestructible. Dude go build a mod and stfu
Groundpound sucks, it is only usefull for megabasers and they dont use it to gather wood.
@@johng.a.9094 ground pound is a godsend when you need loads of wood or marble in a pinch and you already killed Bearger a couple days back or… it’s the first year.
@@EnchantedMagna Beaver without groundpound is enough if loads of wood in a pinch is needed, it already gathers a lot of wood, especially if it has the second perk that makes it take one fewer bite to down a tree and even this one I dont take unless I want the third perk for Ryftstal and Dreadstone Outcrop (or ultra rushing nightmare werepig) because I find the base form to be enough for wood. Needing loads of marble in a pinch is stretching things , it takes a minimun of 10 days for a bunch of close planted marble trees to grow to max stage, I dont mega base nor need to stack a whole multiplayer server with marble by myself in a pinch so beaver's first upgrade is enough for me if I need to farm planted marble since I only use marble to make marble suits to solo beequeen. Those things are especially true in the first year of the world, early game Weremoose mastery or Weregoose mastery saves much more time than Beaver's groundpound - Weregoose mastery is not even good, only usefull to extend the time you stay in water by flying away when the weremeeter is near ending so you can stay longer in deep water looking for moonquay island but it is still better than Beaver groundpound early game.
@@johng.a.9094 let’s not forget celestial portal is a thing and restating is a thing also. I literally use every perk from max beaver to max moose.. not the goose tho. If I need wood I switch to Woodie and stat him accordingly. If I need to clear an area of trees that are far apart I may max moose and use base beaver to clear and max moose for normal play in case I need to clear a hound wave or fight a tree guard. But you don’t really need to choose. It’s not set in stone
@@EnchantedMagna Fair enough, the problem with the groundpound is that it is niche and feels more like a sidegrade to normal beaver than an upgrade , klei could allow trees downed by it to drop wood in stacks of the amount fallen from a single tree, for example: you down 5 fully grown picone trees using it and than each one of them would drop one stack of 3 logs, same amount of wood just easier to gather afterwards. Even with a change like this there would be better methods to gather wood like Beager , Maxwell + Palmcone trees or some farm using merms.
Probably