Disc Harrow vs Tiller on Plowed Field With Hydrostatic Compact Tractor
How to use a disc harrow and tiller on plowed ground. Kubota L3901 L3902 E186
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I've farmed for 40yrs and still do it the way my father taught me and how his father taught him. Never used a tiller as they are hard on the tractor especially if you run up on something solid. Discing has always worked just fine. Burning the garden in the winter and discing that in helps add to the soil. It's important to plow and disc in the winter so the leftover plants and needs have time to decompose. The trick to discing is to do it when it's very dry. If the soil has any significant amount of water in it you'll create dirt clods of which will turn hard as pottery when they bake in the sun. Once they're baked hard it's very difficult to get them back sifted dirt, if you disc it enough you can turn them into marbles but that's still not ideal. So picking a time when it's been weeks without rain is ideal as discing will give you a better result without the initial purchase expense or risk of pto damage that a tiller can cause. Now if money isn't a concern and you know the area you're preparing is free of things that can bind a tiller then by all means till your heart out. I would enjoy having one and since our garden areas are over a hundred years old, I would have the danger of binding it. But as an example my kubota that we've had since 85' with only a water pump change, has become a permanent 3pt forklift tractor because of a low side pto gear becoming damaged while bushogging. The repair involves splitting the tractor and the parts are Rolls-Royce high, so it will spend it's remaining days without pto use. For the OP of this video, I'd contact a company in Poland and get you a delete kit for that smog junk. Those things are why used tractor prices have gone up. I have a 76'IH, and a 82'Kubota, that I use mostly with only a few hundred dollars in repairs over the years taking care of 80 acres, and a 2009 Kubota 30hp cab compact tractor I use to mow and garden with. Old tractors are a great thing to have around to do things you don't want to risk doing in a modern tractor that you paid a small fortune for. Keep pushing those diesels and wearing granny beads!!🙂
I’m an armchair farmer, whatever that is. I stumbled onto your channel and truly enjoyed it. You are very informative for us wannabes. At 76 I don’t have a lot of time to learn by trial and error. Thanks for some information that may be obvious to some, but I found it informative. I suppose I’m more of a tractor collector than “farming”, small acreage but way too many tractors. Fun stuff and it seems to keep me active.
Active....that's what is important. Thanks for joining us!
I enjoy you programs. I own a small farm in South Carolina. The soil is a mix of brown top soil and blue clay. I use a harrow to break up the soil. I have owned tractors for 20 plus years. Fords and Massey's all gear ...I bought a 40 hp Compact spring of 2022 with the hydrostatic drive....the tractor was nice but it is not suited for ground work....your Kubota is noisy at wide open throttle. The hydrostatic compact tractors have better uses than ground work. I sold the Massey 2023 and bought a Mahindra eight speed gear drive. Not promoting mahindra. Promoting gear drive over hydrostatic for farm ground work.
Agree that hydro is noisy, but there are many models of agricultural tractors with 70+ hp with hydro. Look at the John Deere 5075M. In the 80s, we were using grain combines with hydro. Kubota puts in their operators manual that it can pull a 2 bottom plow. I just used a shuttle shift John Deere for a week.....sure missed my hydro! Thanks for watching.
I want the Massey Ferguson 2606h and I'm considering it over the Kubota tractor with the same amount of horsepower. Would you recommend Massey Ferguson as a good reliable tractor to buy?
@@MrJwh3000 I don't know anything about them - good or bad. I would look around for a forum and see what other owners have to say. Here's one: www.mytractorforum.com/forums/massey-ferguson.184/
Agree with hydro on tillage. Also, I do really like Mahindra tractors!!
I've been using a 3616 gear tractor for going on 9 years now and just spent all weekend cleaning up a property I have and cutting in atv trails. Today I was blown away with how much I've enjoyed this tractor.
Disc 1st, till 2nd. You showed me exactly what i needed to see.
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Exactly. There's a good chance you will break a tiller on un-disks land.
Thanks for all the effort you put in to sharing your knowledge and setting up all the camera angles!
Thank you. We try to make our videos interesting. We get off the tractor a lot to move the camera!
I use IH 6' drag behind disc harrow with a 6' wide industrial chain link gate chained to rear of disc. Beautiful results😊
Very nice!
@@PineyGroveHomestead the reason why I mentioned International Harvester pull behind disc, is, these were some of the best disc's out there. No tools are needed for adjustments on both front and rear gangs out in the field. They are worth the money to repair. I do have a 5' 3pt disc it's good but the IH IS GREAT. Take care
Really clear and helpful explanations of the the process of using a disk. I've always just used a rototiller so I learned a lot. Thanks!
This is a wonderful video! The information comes at you fast, but it's fascinating and captivating. Loved the comparison of the soil from the different disks. Thanks much!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Rotytillers work better when you're dealing with slopes, especially spader types that push the tractor forward. My favorite rototiller was an "on-land" 4 wheel that had two free turn narrow wheels in front and two broad floaters on the back and two rotors with its own engine. Custom but if you've got a small tractor then getting a trailed implement lifter and installing a powerpack on it can make a huge difference when doing rototilling spreading etc.
I really like this video, Very informative. You can speak clearly and explain everything with detail.
Appreciate the kind words. Thanks for watching.
Great comparison! That is a well prepped field.
You should see it now.....beans are looking good!
I have a small farm in the Georgia Coastal plain and for soils I have a mixture of sand and sand 😂. I have been plant food plots in the fall and cover crops in the spring. I use my harrow to prepare them I haven't tried my tiller on any of the food plots but I think I will this fall.
Thanks for watching. We switched to tiller for all our food plots. We have a playlist on them here: kzhead.info/channel/PLG5yS75HLzo3B_kuSLkG7zUbMJ22vw4GS.html
I have a 45 hp New Holland Boomer. When it is doing its regen cycle, I can do any kind of tractor work at the same time. No loss in output power. I just need to leave the engine running at higher rpms for some tasks than I usually use. The manual recommends not working in tall grass as the exhaust system gets very hot during the regen. I suggest you check your manual. Your tractor might be different but diesel engine emissions dont change by tractor brand.
Yes, the Kubota can be run during the regen cycle, but if you are done with your work and it's not done with the cycle, it just sits there and burns fuel. There is a parked regen cycle where you cannot use the machine, but I haven't gone through that one yet.
The farm fields where I live are just disc tilled, and then planted. Seems to work just fine for them....most people roto-till a garden, and I was told that you should plow occasionally to prevent having hardpan, but I'm not sure where that would make much sense as you can only plow so deep as well...I guess you would just have hardpan deeper in the ground from plowing VS roto-tilling. I have the reverse rotation tiller for my tractor, it really breaks up the dirt clods and leaves a very nice finished surface. The nice thing with the reverse rotation is it will generally pull itself down into the ground where the forward rotation tills will tend to skip across hard packed ground.
We have a single shank subsoiler that we will use next year. Here's our plow video: kzhead.info/sun/prGpftCtb6uqZIk/bejne.html Thanks for watching!
I pulled a Single shank subsoiler 16-18" in pasture ground
@@richardlandsteiner3082 I've got one of them I will try in this field this fall.
we have 6' top soil, no hardpan. it all depends on the rain fall expected, soil humus levels, etc. seed to soil is better if you roll it after planting, cultipacker
Hardpan?? What’s that? Is that when the surface ground gets rock hard and the water sucks at soaking down into it?? I’ve noticed that a lot since starting gardening. How do you keep the ground from doing that? It’s annoying the water just flows over the surface and takes 17 years to soak into the ground and even then it seems to not soak through deep at all
Wow, you cover everything, nice, thanks.
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I remember riding the foot plate of his Farmall H when he harrowed his fields. He harrowed three times before planting. The dirt would be like silk in your hand.
Good times!
Great content and info. Love this channel and the work being done!
This is very interesting, and the first time I've seen the difference. Thanks for doing this video
You are welcome and thanks for watching and commenting.
We always go 3 passes with the disc. 1st pass is the same direction as what we will sow seed. 2nd pass is diagonal. 3rd pass is 90 degrees of the 1st pass. That way we get some leveling and there are no lines in the field to confuse the line left by the drill marker.
In the 17 years we've lived on our current property (Upstate NY) I have never raised dust when tilling. Usually I am waiting for the soil to dry out enough that I do not sink and bog down. (And lose my gumboots when tilling with a Troy Built Horse). Glacial sill and clay. No vertical drainage. But I've been looking at discs for deer feed plots and maybe corn in a portion of our former sheep pasture.
We don't have wet areas on our place like that but I know what you mean!
For sure. NY is nothing like most of the country. I've been to 50 states, only up in NY in Spring, did I see conditions so extremely wet/freeze/thaw issues.
Rewatched! Your videos are always interesting and informational! Thanks for sharing, great content!
Awesome! Thank you!
Not a Farmer , but this video was informative and enjoyable to watch...
Thanks. Here is the plowing video: kzhead.info/sun/prGpftCtb6uqZIk/bejne.html
Cultipacker after the disc is the cats pajamas. Looks great btw!
Here's a video where we cultipacked: kzhead.info/sun/n6ZtkdGjh2Nnmnk/bejne.html
Roundup ready ? 😢
I agree that can be frustrating but my regen cycles only seem to be about 10 minutes in length. Usually I can find a bit more tractor work to do for this time so Im still doing some productive work. " I cant stop working with the tractor because its doing a regen cycle" gives me more seat time, when I should be doing something else, that doesnt need a tractor. I tried the parked regen process once, leaving the tractor running through lunch. It worked, and shut down itself when the cycle was over., but it seemed wasteful of fuel to me. I talked to a farmer about it and he said its great when you are cutting tall grass hay and cant cut during regen. You can leave the tractor parked out of the uncut hay, and it will run while you can go do something else. His slightly older tractor required him to sit on the tractor and babysit its entire regen cycle, wasting his time and fuel.
That's good stuff. Keep the video's coming
It's always fun to work the land! Thanks for watching.
Great video. I wish I was a farmer.
I wish farming paid better for all the hard working farmers in America.
Thank you for sharing your work
Thanks for watching.
I have used both but on a larger scale.I used a 15ft double offset harrow with notched blades on the front gangs and smooth blades on the rear,both set at 9 inches.This works very well at breaking ground and busting the clouds into a smooth planting surface.I have also used a roto tiller for finishing but find it to slow.I actually prefer to finish with a culti mulcher,but I understand that you are working with compact tractors,and such equipment is not suitable.
Well done
Thanks brother. Trying to catch you!
I purchased the pro King Kutter, setting on the floor, I noticed when level the tines are only 1-1/2” below the skids on the ends. That’s with the skids all the way up. I don’t know how you can till 6” or 7” deep like they say.
I think they believe the skids will sink in a little?? Some people take the skids all the way off. Thanks for watching!
yep, take em off, double pass, back into hardpan if needed...take another pass, 6" all day (and i mean all day, it took all day on a half acre ) @@PineyGroveHomestead
Best bet is probobly using the disc to break up the big clods and then use the roto tiller for final tillage for a smooth seedbed
1 - 2 punch! I like it. Thanks for watching.
Be good to your little tractor, raise the disk get to speed then lower it. Old farmer George.
Good advice. Sandy soil in Florida, it can dig deep and bog down.
Are you sure the top hole for the top link is for heavier pulling ground equipment? I was taught the opposite, the bottom hole is for the heavier pulling ground equipment.
From a tractor manual: · For light and medium draft loads: Install center link (A) in bottom hole (B) of mounting bracket. Example of light and medium draft load implements would include a landscape rake. · For medium and heavy draft loads: Install center link in middle hole (C) of mounting bracket. Example of medium and heavy draft load implements would include a tiller or box blade. · For very heavy draft loads: Install center link in top hole (D) of mounting bracket. Example of very heavy draft load implements would include a plow or ripper.
@@PineyGroveHomestead my tractor is a ford 6600 and it says the exact opposite in my operators Manuel. figure 28 has three holes for attaching the upper link. attach the link in the top hole for light draft loads such as cultivating. attach the link in the center hole for heavier loads, such as plowing. attach the link in the bottom hole for very heavy draft loads, such as sub-soiling.
@@endsina1270 That's interesting because it's about the angle of the top link not the make of the tractor.
@@PineyGroveHomestead I personally figured it was about how much leverage is asserted upon your hydraulic, that is why the bottom makes more sense to me for heavier work . what make and model is your tractor?
@@PineyGroveHomestead Ive been reading further into it and it seems to me that it is specific to make and model of tractor, weather or not the heavy pulling hole is the top or bottom hole used.
I've used both disc harrows and rotary tillers and prefer tiller for a smooth seedbed. All of my tractors are older models. No regen or DPF fluid.
Tillers are so nice!
@PineyGroveHomestead Yes, they are. I have used bottom plows and disc harrows for years. Got a 5' tiller a few years ago and really liked how much better my seedbeds were.
@@Rdrake1413 Agree! We talk about that in this video: kzhead.info/sun/rKyqo6-nkaV4i2w/bejne.html
Great video
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Amazing!
Thanks!
i always used notched discs greasing them was always my job cause i was youngest .
If you have farm equipment, you get good at greasing!
Put a drag pipe behind the disc it will help.
We used to use a drag board "clod buster" when I was growing up.
Awsome thx
A rototiller does a great job but the main disadvantage is what happens after a rain if you get the soil too fine and smooth. The harrowed field will be just fine after a rain but the rototillered field will be like concrete and the plants have trouble breaking through the hard crust. The rototiller will be OK if you only make one pass and don't go too slow.
This is a video of the soybeans grown in this field last year: kzhead.info/sun/eM-KmriFq5ipaKs/bejne.html
Multiple passes with a harrow, will do just as well as a tiller even in heavy clay.
We really like that tiller though! Thanks for watching.
Since my biggest crop is rocks, I prefer the disc.
That's the best choice for your ground! Thanks for watching!
Maybe try to get one of those rock collectors to harvest that crop
Maybe not in Florida but in NC the County Ag people have no till grain drill they let you use and charge you by the acre. I understand they are not expensive to use per acre
There might be, but our tractor can't pull it. Probably the only time that field will get plowed as long as we own it!
@@PineyGroveHomestead yes they do recommend a tractor with a minimum of 40 hp. Didn’t say 40 hp geared or hydrostatic though.
God bless PG
Thank you and thanks for watching!
Just chisel plow it, then roto till, gotta disk the soybeans or corn in if you don't have a row seeder, we plant radish and lettuce in the late summer,deer love it
The planting video is coming up soon. We have a foodplot playlists that shows how we plant without rows: kzhead.info/channel/PLG5yS75HLzo3B_kuSLkG7zUbMJ22vw4GS.html
I agree with AJP, l like primary plowing with chisel so you don’t have dead furrows like the moulboard leaves. Then till with a good heavy tiller like a Howard. One pass does the work of 3-4 or more passes with a disc, and that saves a lot of compaction down below that all those passes cause.
This man forgot to forget any information lol.
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Agree. Tilling can transform a field quickly.
In today's episode, THREE different ways to kill your soil biota, dramatically increase erosion, and ensure a complete crop failure if you have just a couple weeks of drought. Seriously, you don't need to do any of these things to plant and grow a wildlife food plot. Tens of thousands of people are using a no-till approach that costs less, takes less time, and most importanly, doesn't destroy your soil just before asking it to grow something for you.
The field looks so awesome now. Stay tuned for updates. Thanks for watching.
@@PineyGroveHomestead - Do some research into the damage done by conventional tillage. Read the book, "Dirt to Soil", by Gabe Brown. I understand your desire to plant plots but there's a much better way to go about all of this.
If you no till, you MUST use chemicals... no way around it. I prefer conventional tillage as it reduces weeds/grass, incorporates oxygen into the soil which allows for increased microbial activity and incorporates organic matter into the root zone. This allows for greater moisture retention in that zone rather than shallow rooting in the top 4” in a no till field. Minimum tillage on slopes.
@@zebwalton979 - Every single one of those assertions is disproven by those actually practicing no-till planting methods. Unless you know more than Gabe Brown or Dr. Grant Woods, both of whom have the exact opposite position than you on every one of those claims?
Pro. Gmo ?
it feeds the world
and everyone is diseased
tip with a disc.. if its clumpy you can hit it again
Truth!
Why do it on already plowed field
Tillage like this is the next step on a plowed field. Here is the same field, tilled without plowing. kzhead.info/sun/orRvfKifnYuvmmw/bejne.html
Mind blowing you think spraying round up on food you digest is a good idea
Billions of people eat every day because of Round Up.
@@PineyGroveHomestead Billions of people are also getting cancer from eating roundup crops.
With the tiller you don't have to plow
We wanted to loosen up the soil deeper than a tiller can go. Thanks for watching.
I am laughing at this ever thought about putting a 4 inch steel pipe behind the disk?
Check with the county farm agent. Some of them have smaller no till drills that you can rent very reasonably To mix better with just the disk you cross cut.
I think my friend actually has one, but don't think my L3901 can pull it.
you don't want to use roundup. My brother in law and his dad both died from cancer from using this poison.
Sorry for your losses.
Grab the spoke of the steering wheel at the hub center and your lines will be straighter.
Looks like 2 or 3 acres not 1
it's actually .99 acres measured! Here's mowing it this year: kzhead.info/sun/orGGntiLfKSrjJE/bejne.html
browse resistant.... lol people been mowing soybeans to double their yield for decades.....
for deer
Lol roundup ready? Ya go away bud.
RoundUp keeps the world from starving.
it actually keeps the young playing video games and not weeding
So what your saying out loud is that you plan on drenching your crop field with round up, the same field you plan to grow food for human consumption in? That just sounds so wrong to me.
If it weren't for Roundup, the world would be starving.
lol i wonder how big companies like monsanto convince people that they’re not the ones creating the disease and selling the so called cure. actually so if not for companies like monsanto we’d be able to eat vegetables and fruits without forever chemicals being on them.
Damn, dry as a bone
Go herbicide free, no need for that crap on small farms.
Glyphosate has made farming much more efficient. We minimize the use of chemicals, but they have their place.
I'm just an average guy, I don't care about the environment as much as I should maybe but anytime I hear glyphosate or roundup I run the other way no matter how efficient it is. Asbestos is efficient too.
I wouldn’t strongly recommend never planting anything that has been hybridized to withstand roundup. 😔😢
It's what is feeding the world.
You are out in the sun. Why do you have your hat on backwards?
So you can see my face.
Way too my talking, more action less talking!
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You talk too much and do too little, or are you just really happy to hear yourself talk
🤣🤣
Dude can you try not being a douche? He’s explaining stuff, ya know. With words? Do people can understand what point he’s getting through in this demonstration? If ya don’t like it then skip on
So you plan on growing a food crop like watermelons in a field where you are going to spray poison. Yummy....NOT