*UPDATE* Customer States Jiffy Lube refused to change my Oil - Sludge Factory Kia Forte
Hello KZhead,
This is a follow up video for the 2016 Kia Forte that had a massive Sludge problem.
Original Video - • Customer States Jiffy ...
3k mile update video - • *UPDATE 3k Miles* - Sl...
The owner tried to get his oil changed at Jiffy Lube and they refused to change it. They told him it was a liability concern and they would not be taking on the risk. He claims he changed the oil 6k miles ago but we had our suspicions. Keep in mind the Kia only has 60K miles on it. We decided to help him out and tear off the valve cover to see what kind of mess he created. Follow along the journey as we tear apart the engine and discover the SLUDGE Factory inside.
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Diesel Fuel
Marvel Mystery Oil
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The thing that surprises me most is that Jiffy Lube had the integrity to say, "No. Take it to a mechanic."
We were also surprised that Jiffy Lube actually looked under the oil cap before starting any work. They must have been sued before for engine damage and are not taking on any liability in the future. It was great of them to tell him to go straight to a shop to get it looked at. They even topped off his oil for free so kudos to them. Thanks again for the comments, Cheers!
That's the advice I've been giving people over the years - AVOID quick lube places at ALL costs! That's the expressway to a vehicle's early grave.
@@dantesinfernopurgatory7826 That is why perform all of our own maintenance on all our cars. We do not trust anyone to work on our cars, regardless of the issue. One way or another we will figure out to get it repaired. Cheers!
I do my own unless it is something like a transmission, that isn't a driveway job
the worker probly got fired for it
I can't believe you got rid of most of the Forbidden Marmite in that engine! I've seen engines with less sludge be deemed write-offs. This wasn't an oil change, it was a damn exorcism!
Thanks for the comments Prince, it was definitely more of a mess than we anticipated. Glad everything turned out good and we were able to salvage the motor. Cheers!
But whats built up on the rings?
@@bobbg9041 No way to know without a teardown. All we can do is monitor the oil level over time to see if any oil burn is occurring. After the first 1k miles, we have not seen any evidence of oil loss. We will continue to monitor ever y1k miles until the next 3k mile oil change. Cheers!
Love marmite on toast peanut butter and cheese 😊😊😊
The simplest statement of all time is very true after watching this video: OIL CHANGES ARE CHEAP VS BUYING A NEW ENGINE!!! Had this newer KIA's oil change interval kept going, the engine would be featured on the "I DO CARS" KZhead channel.
Agreed, thanks for the comments. It is such a low cost item it doesn't make any sense to stretch it out. Be sure to check out the original video if you haven't seen it - kzhead.info/sun/i7lwac6QkImvl3k/bejne.html Cheers!
The owner is very lucky!!! Those cars are very sensitive to extended oil change intervals. I've owned one and I was changing the oil every 3k miles and was burning about 1/2 quart since the beginning. Good job!!!
Forced induction coupled with direct injection with Korean engineering will do that unfortunately
Thanks for the comments, glad you enjoyed the video. We will continue to monitor it every 1k miles until the next oil change. Hopefully we got it squared away and it continues to run great from this point forward. Cheers!
This is the LX model so it has the 1.8L MPI motor, not sure if they have the same issues as the 2.0L GDO engines? This is our first time working on the Korean brand as we mainly focus on Euro stuff. Cheers!
@@BradleysGarage mpi? So I guess that port fuel and direct injection? I’m not familiar with the 1.8. I may have over generalized thinking most Kia’s and Hyundais are turboed with DI only. Last I heard, only Ford and Toyota implemented the dual port fuel and direct injection combination.
@@4runner1grfe MPI is just Multi Point Injection, After Carbi cars, the first step that most manufacturers went with was a single large injector where the carbi once was, They then went to MPI which just means that each cylinder has it's own injector/s So if this car doesn't have GDI, then it has port injection (so the fuel injectors are located on the inlet manifold).
This was an awesome series. Great job, you no doubt saved that little engine. Besides big hunks, I think that amber/dark color of the oil shows the carbon/dirt being suspended by the detergents and removed in the oil through changing as intended. No big hunks to plug up passages like the days of old oil pre-detergents. Great job
Thanks for the kind words Steve, glad you enjoyed the video. We feel pretty good about how things turned out. Not much debris coming out after the secondary flushes so that was a good sign. I'm sure there will be small residual amounts coming off over the next few thousand miles. We will check on it every 1k miles until the next 3k oil change. Thanks again for hanging out. Cheers!
No detergent was back in the 70’s
The oil looked pretty dark after the 420 mile run. I’d say it’s still pushing baked sludge out of the oil galley’s and block walls. Probably repeated oil changes every 3k will get the rest out. A bottle of Seafoam in the oil will clean the snot out.
Thanks for the comments, we will check it every 1k miles up to the next 3k oil change. I'm sure they will be small amounts of residual coming off for many more miles. We could still see the walls with some burnt on residue. We may throw in a bottle of Seafoam right before the next oil change just to hit it again. Cheers!
Modern full synthetic oil usually turns dark very quickly, but it does not mean a decrease in performance. Combustion gasses and heat
It was encouraging to see the reddish tinge from the Marvel Mystery oil in that last flush
@bruwin It definitely had a little reddish hue to it. We may continue to add 4oz of MMO to the next few oil changes just to finish cleaning things. Cheers!
Have run full syn. From 500 miles to present 245k miles, changed every 10k miles. It never got dark untill 160k miles. It was distressing to throw away such clean looking oil at 10k miles. 5.3 chev. Silverado 2004.
Certainly an articulate and mechanically gifted guy in the videos. And all the effort and of inspecting, scraping, filling, draining, filtering and inspecting were great to watch. Wonderful video work, too. I’d call the two videos masterpieces!
Thanks for the kind words Tom, glad you enjoyed the videos. Thanks again for hanging out on the channel, appreciate the feedback. Cheers!
The slower he goes the more labor hours he can bill the customer.
@@chris84662 Thanks for the comments Chris, we didn't charge the young kid anything for our time. He just purchased the supplies and we helped him out with trying to salvage the motor. Hopefully we have done enough to salvage the motor long term. Cheers!
This is nothing short of a chemotherapy on a cancer patient. In the end it was so good to see the engine come back to life. Well done👍🏾It was an informative video and very relaxing to watch. Thanks.
Thanks for the kind words, glad you enjoyed the video. It was a more of a mess than we anticipated but everything seemed to come out pretty good. We will keep monitoring the Kia until the next 3k mile oil change. Thanks again for hanging out. Cheers!
Excellent update, thanks very much. This is one of the few channels that makes me say, "Oh cool!" whenever an update drops. Your work is so thorough, it's an inspiration.
Thanks for the kind words, glad you enjoyed the video. Appreciate you hanging out on the channel. Cheers!
I remember the guys in the shop doing a similar process on a Saab 9-3. Came into the shop for it's FIRST oil change since new. It was at 40,000 miles! After all the flushed , etc it ran amazing. Virtual no wear in the engine. Those Saab engines, especially the 2.3t are amazing.
Thanks for the sharing, appreciate the story. Cheers!
I work in Walmart in the Auto Care Center, and about 10 years ago, we had a Dodge Ram 2500 DIESEL come in for it's first oil change....at 40,000 miles. The guy using the truck never ran a diesel before, and it was his company work truck. He worked in the oil patch so he was using the truck every day and put a couple hundred miles on it every day. So he didn't know it required much more servicing than even a gas should be receiving. But 40,000 miles on any oil is never a good idea. Anyway, I was the unfortunate lower bay tech on the oil change. Arguably what came out of the drain plug could no longer justifiably be called "oil". I would describe it as carbon/sludge in a fluid suspension. Yes I ended up getting it on my hand and NO I could not wipe it off. I couldn't even hold onto a wrench. I had to go wash my hands before I could finish the oil change. Afterwards, I advised the guy to only run maybe 1000-1500 miles then immediately get the oil changed again to try to clean out the engine. He didn't come back to Walmart, so I have no idea what the end result of that was.
If they so amazing why do I see 0 on the road in portland/vancouver I see alot of every other brand but a handful of Saabs a year, and I actively look for unique odd cars
@@YungSteambuns because there are very little saabs sold in America
Looks like there was only about 253k 9-3's sold in the USA from 1999-2011. That works out to be 21k total per year. Going on 25 years old, there can't be that many left on the road, regardless of how good the engines are. Cheers!
Im so invested in this. Feels like a series 😂
Glad you are enjoying the content Ellah, thanks for hanging out. Cheers!
Wow. This is about a thorough follow up video as I could have imagined. Appreciate the detail.
Thanks for the kind words, glad you enjoyed the content. Thanks again for hanging out on the channel. Cheers!
FYI - the Marvel Mystery Oil is good stuff. It works slow. I’ve used it in a GM 4.8 to keep a lifter from tapping (common problem.) After 2 to 3 3k oil changes, it will remove all the varnish.
Thanks for the info Chris, we will continue to add some to each of the subsequent oil changes. Cheers!
Absolutely!
Love this kind of testing, shows the importance of regular services along with how to help an engine if it hasnt been looked after.
Thanks for the comments Beany, appreciate the feedback. Be sure to check out the follow up video here - kzhead.info/sun/i6qseNKqq2KiZq8/bejne.html Cheers!
Its genuinely nice to see these before and afters under the valve cover. 99.95% of folks making a video will remove the valve cover once if we are lucky (before flush) than basically say rest assured its done the job. I like to see before, and after. Thank you for these videos :)
Thanks for comments, appreciate the feedback. Glad you enjoyed the videos, thanks for hanging out. Cheers!
This is a great series. Please continue to post updates. Cheers!
Thanks for the kind words, glad you enjoyed the videos. Cheers!
Thanks for the update! Cheers
Glad you enjoyed the video, thanks for hanging out. Cheers!
Pretty good job done. Very good video. Great result. Thank you so much for sharing!
Thanks for the kind words Nicholas, glad you enjoyed the video. Appreciate the feedback, Cheers!
Great job on this! Should do a series with BG products next!
Thanks for the recommendation; we will definitely check out that product for our next Sludge Factory project. Cheers! PS - Be sure to check out the original video if you haven't seen it - kzhead.info/sun/i7lwac6QkImvl3k/bejne.html
Been subscribed since y’all helped me with my Audi over instagram 😂 love the channel guys
Thanks for the kind words, glad we could help you out with the Audi. Thanks again for hanging out on the channel, appreciate the support. Cheers!
Excellent video. Thanks for doing all the work. Subscribed.
Thanks for the kind words, glad you enjoyed the video. It was a bit of a mess but we are happy with how it turned out. Thanks again for hanging out, Cheers!
Very well done. It's sad how much extra work this has caused. But I feel u have extended life in this engine. Nice to see owner logging in maintenance. 👍
Maintenance report: 1st oil change 60k miles 2nd oil change 60k miles 3rd oil change 60k 4th oil change 61k miles
Hard to know exactly how many miles since the last oil change but definitely seems like way more than 6k miles. We are thinking more like 12-15k miles sine the last oil change based on what the internals look like. He has had it since around 30k and claimed to have changed the oil 4-5 during this period. I'm sure the cheap oil changes at Jiffy Lube did not help the situation. Be sure to check out the original video if you haven't seen it - kzhead.info/sun/i7lwac6QkImvl3k/bejne.html Cheers!
Thanks for the comments, glad you enjoyed the video. Hoping it works out for this young kid since he really doesn't have the first clue what it takes to service a car properly. Cheers!
It's great that he got to keep his head cover! And that plugs weren't flooded.
Thanks for the comments Allen, it was not easy cleaning that valve cover. The new one is over $250 so a little elbow grease got it done for basically nothing. After getting the motor cleaned up we did the plugs and valve cover gasket. Cheers!
These are good content. Create more like this.
Thanks for the positive feedback Erich, glad you enjoyed the video. Cheers!
Loved the floow up video. You guys did a very good job.
Glad you enjoyed the update video. Hopefully we have done enough to salvage the motor. Cheers!
I enjoyed this video. Looking forward to the next one.
Thanks for the kind words, glad you enjoyed the video. Cheers!
Both videos are great learned a lot
Thanks for the kind words Norman, glad you enjoyed the videos. Appreciate you hanging out on the channel as well. Cheers!
Awesome, informative, and scientific video. My 2005 Jeep Liberty with a 3.7 V6 definitely needs a series of flush such as these. I'm at 180,000 miles !!!!
Thanks for the comments, glad you enjoyed the video. Hopefully we motivated you to get out there and get those flushes going. Cheers!
Same vehicle now at 226k small leak in rear main and keep getting moisture from what I assume is a leaking head gasket but it still running strong and still has the original transmission.
If there is ever a next time you need to do a heavy sludge flush check out BG's Dynamic Engine Restoration Service Kit. I used that stuff once and an old boot came out the oil drain.
Thanks for the product recommendation Joey, we will check that out if we come across another sludge factory. Cheers!
I am back for the update. Great video again. New subscriber.
Thanks again for the support, glad you enjoyed the video. Cheers!
You probably saved that car’s life. You are a hero sir.
Thanks for the comments David, it was more of a mess than we anticipated. Hoping we did enough to salvage that motor. Thanks again for hanging out. Cheers!
Interesting and appreciated follow up.
Thanks for the comments, glad you enjoyed the video. Cheers!
Also cheap dexron ATF is good to add to engine oil for cleaning a sludged engine out, ATF has really high detergent content! 👍
Thanks for the comments Scotty, appreciate the feedback. Cheers!
used it a couple of times. great results
@@boelensds Thanks for the info, Cheers!
Cool little series…I can’t believe that car still ran. You should try ATS 505 CRO. I don’t know what magical out of superstitious hocus pocus they use but it’s the best oil treatment I’ve ever used. 👍🏻
Thanks for the recommendation Karl; we will definitely check out that product for our next Sludge Factory project. Glad you enjoyed the videos. Cheers!
Wish I knew as good of a mechanic. The Undercarriage, Engine and Transmission were really clean.
Thanks for the kind words Ron, we refuse to work on dirty cars. We did a complete pressure wash on the engine bay and undercarriage before starting any repairs. There is nothing worse than working on oily, greasy cars. We just posted the 3k mile update video here - kzhead.info/sun/hNaDYKZlgoqKqmg/bejne.html Cheers!
This was excellent, and I watched each second... couple of observations , you should have figured that with the excellent dilution solutions you added, that it would put the sludge in suspension and thus no clumps.... second, please use a gasket removal spray like loctite or other... no more razors... the removal sprays are so good that you can literally wipe to perfectly metallic surface with a cloth after applying... great work, and thank you for literally saving this motor
Thanks for the comments, appreciate the feedback. We will look into that spray gasket removal product as that goop is tough to get off. Glad you enjoyed the video. Cheers!
@BradleysGarage LOCTITE SF7200... doesn't run ( unless way over applied).. after 15-20 minutes, you lift the gasket away with your fingers and then spray 7200 into a cloth to wipe away the remaining gasket residue. Not required, but I use Potent Alcohol for final wipe...
@@kafklatsch3198 Thanks for the tips, we will give it a try on our next project. Cheers!
Hi, for added protection add a half a pint of marvel mystery oil to every other full tank of gas. At least a few times in the future
Thanks for the comments, appreciate the feedback. Cheers! PS - Be sure to check out the original video if you haven't seen it - kzhead.info/sun/i7lwac6QkImvl3k/bejne.html
Great job I have done quart of diesel and transmission oil with 2 quart of oil to do my flushing works great
Thanks for the comments Stuart, appreciate the feedback. Cheers!
Great video. Back in 05 i bought a 96 jimmy 4.3 with 158k on it. I changed all the fluids. ALL OF THEM. I did the kerosine flush for the oil as well. It didnt have sludge thankfully. It never had any oil related issues ever. Just 2 water pumps, a radiator, and power steering pump. I sold it at 312k.
Thanks for sharing, glad you enjoyed the videos. Cheers!
You should remove the valve lift solenoid(VTEC Solenoid or what ever its called for KIAs). These are normally oil controlled and these normally have screens on them and these can get blocked with flushes.
Thanks for the comments, we will take a loo at those to see if there is any remaining evidence of sludge on the screens. Cheers! PS - Be sure to check out the original video if you haven't seen it - kzhead.info/sun/i7lwac6QkImvl3k/bejne.html
Thanks Brad.😊👌
Glad you enjoyed the videos Paul, thanks again for hanging out. Cheers!
This is eye opening, the 2016 kia soul i was gifted had been serviced at the dealer exclusively since new and still has some warranty left. But today i will check the oil cap to see how clean it is inside the engine. I hope they changed the oil as promised. It runs great just turtle slow but we just had the 60 k service done and the ecu was updated and it runs a lot better now and has a V tech like pep to it now above 4k rpm so it is a bit more fun to drive now. The car get 27 miles to the gallon on a regular basis and still looks new thanks to me.
Thanks for sharing, let us know how that oil cap looks. 😎 Cheers!
Oh crap i forgot to check it. Ill do it first thing tomorrow. @@BradleysGarage
Definitely keep on the frequent oil changes. The VVT solenoids are very finicky and require clean oil to work well.
my 2014 Forte was getting 36 mpg before the dreaded knock sensor fault . Now it is awaiting a new engine.
I posted this as a reply to a comment below but figured it would be a good comment to post for everyone to see. I work in Walmart in the Auto Care Center, and about 10 years ago, we had a Dodge Ram 2500 DIESEL come in for its first oil change....at 40,000 miles. The guy using the truck never ran a diesel before, and it was his company work truck. He worked in the oil patch, so he was using the truck every day and put a couple hundred miles on it every day. So he didn't know it required much more servicing than even a gas should be receiving. But 40,000 miles on any oil is never a good idea. Anyway, I was the unfortunate lower bay tech on the oil change. Arguably what came out of the drain plug could no longer justifiably be called "oil". I would describe it as carbon/sludge in a fluid suspension. Yes, I ended up getting it on my hand and NO I could not wipe it off. I couldn't even hold onto a wrench. I had to go wash my hands before I could finish the oil change. Afterwards, I advised the guy to only run maybe 1000-1500 miles then immediately get the oil changed again to try to clean out the engine. He didn't come back to Walmart, so I have no idea what the end result of that was.
Thanks for sharing Danny, there are lots of crazy oil change stories out there. Cheers!
Compression looks good, owner really lucked out. Looks like others have already mentioned BG, but it's really the only reliable way to get it all out - they sell a large kit called "BG Dynamic Engine Cleaner" that comes with two huge jugs (2nd one is a "rinse" oil). It's similar to the smaller cans called "EPR" that you can obtain more readily, but in a much larger quantity. Not cheap, I think it's $350+ and takes 45-minutes and multiple oil changes to perform, but afterwards the results are amazing. Love the series so far, 3k OCI is what you want - short-tripping puts the owner in the severe service category.
BG has an excellent GDI cleaner too, need to do that service on my car
oil catch can and forget about the dreaded carbon buildup issues. @@Get_yotted
Thanks for the recommendation; we will definitely check out that product for our next Sludge Factory project. We have recommended the owner to start doing 3k oil changes. Hopefully he has learned a valuable lesson on the importance of routine maintenance on his car moving forward. The goal will be for him to be able to change his own oil moving forward. Thanks for hanging out, Cheers!
Thanks for the comments, appreciate the feedback. This is the 1.8L MPI engine so not sure if it has the same issues as the 2.0L GDI motors? Cheers!
Something I like to use in older cars is half to a quart of atf, it cleans very well
Thanks for the comments, appreciate the feedback. Cheers!
Svaka čast tebi na ovako detaljnom čušćenju. Izgleda lako ali nije baš lako.
Hvala na komentarima, cijenimo povratne informacije. Bilo je puno teže nego što smo očekivali. Nadamo se da smo učinili dovoljno da spasimo motor. Živjeli!
@@BradleysGarage ovaj motor će da radi veoma lijepo jos dugi niz godina. Pozdrav iz Crne Gore.
@@berykent4598 Lijep pozdrav, hvala na komentarima. Drago mi je da ste uživali u videu. Nadamo se da smo učinili dovoljno da spasimo motor i omogućimo mu da radi još mnogo tisuća milja. Živjeli!
The initial treatment got rid of most of the sludge. The subsequent treatments would dissolve the remnants which would be picked up by the filter. Wouldn’t it in fact be very surprising if there were any chunks seen in the coffee filters? The varnish may clean up with continued frequent oil changes. It seems like it could be a problem for humming up the moving parts like valve springs, rockers and any oil control solenoids. The best thing you can do for that owner is to teach him how to do his own oil changes.
Thanks for the comments Craig, we will check it every 1k miles up to the next 3k oil change. I'm sure they will be small amounts of residual coming off for many more miles. We could still see the walls with some burnt on residue. Jake is definitely performing the next oil change on his Kia. he has now seen it done 5 times so there are no excuses moving forward. Thanks again for hanging out. Cheers!
Thanks for the follow up, it seems like the Kia pulled through
Glad you checked out the follow up video. We will keep checking on things every 1k miles until the next 3k mile oil change but so far things are looking positive. Thanks again for hanging out. Cheers!
Almost like panning for gold.😅 Good informative video.👍
Thanks for the comments Jeff, appreciate the feedback. Unfortunately we did not find any nuggets. 😎 Be sure to check out the original video if you haven't seen it - kzhead.info/sun/i7lwac6QkImvl3k/bejne.html Cheers!
Great job all around. I'm a big Hyundai Kia fan. I've purchased 7 or 8 new ones since 2007. My latest purchase was two 2022 Tucson Hybrids (non plug in, only because they were never available here in Illinois) I bought an SEL Convenience (mid trim for myself) and a Limited (top trim) for my wife. They're amazing cars for the money, 33K and 39,5K. Getting 37 MPG out of each of them over the last few years. I'm a 3000 mile oil change guy myself. It's cheap insurance for these tiny 1.6 Turbo engines which work hard. Thanks for sharing all your great tips. Go Niners. Cheers
Thanks for the kind words, glad you enjoyed the video. We have recommended to Jake to start changing his oil every 3k moving forward. Like you said, it's cheap insurance to keep things running great for many more miles to come. Cheers!
the 1.6 in that model hybrid i believe is still gdi as well so 3,00 miles intervals should help with carbon buildup, it kills Hyundai motors besides the metal debris left indie the motors.
@@henrytom5824 Thanks
Buying a car every 2 years and judging them with just 30K miles is nothing, they are brand new. Tell us how are they doing after at least 100 K miles
@@drbichat5229 warranty goes to 100k unlike all other brands
Wow great info! I do use pennzoil ultra platinum on my 2021 Bronco and Super Tech on my 2022 Ford Maverick, but will be switching to pennzoil as well. I do my oil changes every 6 months never exceeding 4k miles. Is that something you would do to your own vehicles?
Thanks for the comments Ramon, appreciate the feedback. Depending on the car, way it's driven and manufacturer recommendations, we run from 3k on performance cars, up to 10k on our diesel engines. No matter what we are using Full Synthetic on every vehicle, typically Liqui Moly or Torco. Cheers!
It certainly is a lot cleaner. You did well! It was nice to hear you also called the cover a "Rocker Cover". In my younger day I had never heard it called a "Valve Cover". I think the younger mechanics (40 years old and younger) of today are the only ones who call it a valve cover - I wont, Rocker Cover is way too engrained in me. I am talking about mechanics here in Australia.
Thanks for the kind words Rob, we are pretty happy with the results. Our thought is if the "cover" is not making contact with anything then it's probably just a valve cover. If the "cover" is making contact with the cams or some internals in the cylinder head then it's probably a rocker cover. You could even call it a "cam cover" on these OHC motors. At the end of the day it really comes down to how your were taught and what you are comfortable with. Even Kia calls it a Valve Cover 😎- www.kia.parts/oem-parts/kia-valve-cover-224102e010 Thanks again for hanging out. Cheers!
im 56 ND IT WAS ALWAYS VALVE COVER
This is a hell of a hill to die on.
I found Jake's receipt for service on his Kia! 42 gal Mobile 1 14 OEM Kia oil filters 14 OEM crush washers 2 gal diesel 2 gal MMO 50 gal disposal fee 800 mile test drive Parts and labor $12,347.89 Credit or cash is acceptable 😊
Thanks for the comments James, he actually spent about $250 in parts/supplies to get this cleaned up. Cheers!
I have a 2014 Kia Soul ! Had to get an engine replacement this past year. Was burning over 2 quarts on the 1000 mile engine test. Had to have it tested a few times but was all replaced under warranty. Hoping to get a few years before this one has issues.
Thanks for sharing, glad to hear you got it all covered under warranty. Cheers!
Boy, it would have been a whole lot easier to just do regular oil changes.
Marvel Mystery Oil is a great product in vehicles with questionable oiling systems. It saved the lifters on a 200k mile Tahoe I had. I ran it for a whole 3000 mile oil change and it just ran quieter the longer it was in there. I am blown away by how much cleaner that engine is inside. Great job cleaning it out. The owner should definitely stick to 3k mile intervals from now on. No doubt there will continue to be small particles breaking loose for some time, but nothing a good oil filter can’t handle.
Thanks for the comments Johnny, glad you enjoyed the video. We will continue to monitor it every 1k miles until the next 3k mile oil change. We will also keep adding 4oz of MMO after each oil change and run it for the 3k miles as well. Hopefully we have done enough to salvage the motor and keep it running for thousands of more miles. Thanks again for hanging out, Cheers!
Good job!
Thanks for the kind words Alex, glad you enjoyed the video. Be sure to check out the original video if you haven't seen it - kzhead.info/sun/i7lwac6QkImvl3k/bejne.html Cheers!
I noticed you were using the blue wrap from surgical instrument trays. I also use the same thing
We have a couple friends that work in the OR. They try to grab us supplies whenever a surgery case gets cancelled. It is amazing how much stuff gets thrown away in the hospital environment. Cheers!
I've heard these 1.8s are a mixed bag, happy to see after serious neglect this one still appears to be running strong.
Thanks for the comments, hopefully we did enough to salvage the motor. Cheers!
Lol Just found the followup vid. You literally saved that car from certain death. I don't think he ever changed the oil in 58K miles. You did the very first oil change in that car.
Thanks for the comments Tony, glad you enjoyed the video. Hard to know exactly how many miles since the last oil change but definitely seems like way more than 6k miles. We are thinking more like 12-15k miles sine the last oil change based on what the internals look like. He has had it since around 30k and claimed to have changed the oil 4-5 during this period. I'm sure the cheap oil changes at Jiffy Lube did not help the situation. We just posted the 3k mile update video here - kzhead.info/sun/hNaDYKZlgoqKqmg/bejne.html Cheers!
Liqui Molly engine flush will do the same end result with less steps. Do fresh oil and filter + LM then drain and put fresh in. Really helped when I was following the "recommended OCI for my 09 Accent was 7500 according to manual". Never again, feels like a play to get you to mess up your engine slowly so the dealer can get more money.
Thanks for the comments, this is actually an update video. We used the Liqui Moly flush during the original video. You can check it out here - kzhead.info/sun/i7lwac6QkImvl3k/bejne.html Cheers!
Great videos. I have the exact same car with 134,000 no problems yet. I change the oil every 4 to 5,000 miles
Thanks for the comments Bentley, glad you enjoyed the video. Be sure to check out the original video if you haven't seen it - kzhead.info/sun/i7lwac6QkImvl3k/bejne.html Cheers!
Had an engine just like that back in the 80s. I used diesel fuel and cheap motor oil. 50/50. It worked. Drove that old Ford LTD for three years.
Thanks for the comments, appreciate the feedback. Cheers!
I wonder what a BG dynamic engine flush would have done? That looks good
Thanks for the comments, this was our first Sludge Factory project so we had never heard of the BG product. It is definitely something we will check out on our next one. It would have been cool to see if it could really dissolve all this sludge. Thanks again for hanging out, Cheers!
I love using MMO! What’s your opinion on Berryman B12 chemtool or seafoam to flush the crankcase?
Thanks for the comments. We haven't tried either one of those products in the crankcase. We have only used Seafoam on the fuel side of the motor but we found it works great there. We have heard guys using the B12 as a piston soak to help with carbon build up on rings though. Cheers!
Very informative and well videoed. I would imagine at a normal mechanic garage rate , etc, this repair cost the owner more than a “lifetime “ of oil changes. Hopefully , he or she got the message.
He's just a 20 year old kid that doesn't know anything about cars or what is needed to keep them running properly. He helped with the repair so he wants to learn and understand things. Hopefully he has learned a valuable lesson on the importance of routine maintenance on his car moving forward. The goal will be for him to be able to change his own oil moving forward. Thanks for hanging out, Cheers!
@@BradleysGarage One of the (still) most under read books in society is the car manual! What still amazes me is that folks have all the info at their fingertips on the web now , but can’t seem to make use of it. And, this applies to engineering students I sometimes mentor. Again, great video.
How can this problem be prevented? Thank you for your excellent videos.
Thanks for the comments Royd, glad you enjoy the content. This was our first experience with the Korean brand so we have not had anything like this with our Euro projects. It seems as though, based on the feedback from this Sludge video, these engines are prone to having issues. The best way to prevent this happening on any engine, first and foremost is proper maintenance. On the Kia/Hyundai motors, they need to be changed every 3-5k miles depending on driving style. Lots of short distance driving, do it every 3k and a combination of freeway and city you could push to 5k miles. On the Euro cars we typically do 7500 for the gas engines and 10k for the diesel engines. On our high performance cars we change them every 3k miles since they are typically driven harder than the daily. Hope that helps answer your question. Thanks again for hanging out. Cheers!
Been doing a transmission fluid in the engine oil. I’ll add some BG engine flush right before the next oil change. 2012 Scion XB using 2 plus quarts every 3 to 5 thousand miles.
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That engine was a perfect candidate for BG products, Dynamic Engine Restoration Service Kit
Thanks for the recommendation Robert; we will definitely check out that product for our next Sludge Factory project. Cheers!
Isn't ATF better than diesel in this case (to clean the engine)? Great job! Looking forward to watching more videos like this!
Thanks for the comments Arthur. We are not sure which one is "better" as they both seem to have some benefits. It really came down to what we had on hand at the time of the video. It was just easier to use diesel for this one but we may try ATF on a future project. Glad you enjoyed the video, be sure to check out the original video if you haven't seen it - kzhead.info/sun/i7lwac6QkImvl3k/bejne.html Cheers!
The BG dynamic clean works incredibly well, it’s on the more pricey side but pretty much guaranteed to work. Hope this helps!
Thanks for the recommendation; we will definitely check out that product for our next Sludge Factory project. Cheers!
well, there is no doubt that what you have done has done that engine a world of good. I only wish we could get this video to everyone who thinks that changing their oil is just an unnecessary annoyance. anyone who knows anything about engines knows how important that good, clean, fresh oil will extend the life of the engine better than any other thing you can do for it. you must really like this guy to do this much work for him.
Thanks for the comments David, appreciate the feedback. He is a young kid that went to school with one of my sons. He doesn't know anything about cars or what is needed to keep them running properly. He helped with the repair so he wants to learn and understand things. Hopefully he has learned a valuable lesson on the importance of routine maintenance on his car moving forward. The goal will be for him to be able to change his own oil moving forward. Thanks for hanging out, Cheers!
The price of Marvels sure has gone up in the last few years
Thanks for the comments Jay. The prices of everything are outrageous these days. Cheers!
Price of diesel fuel for trucks to deliver it went up since 2020 too
I hope the owner appreciates your thoroughness 👍
He's just a 20 year old kid that doesn't know anything about cars or what is needed to keep them running properly. He helped with the repair so he wants to learn and understand things. Hopefully he has learned a valuable lesson on the importance of routine maintenance on his car moving forward. The goal will be for him to be able to change his own oil moving forward. Thanks for hanging out, Cheers!
Have been wondering how this was doing. Glad it appears engine survived without eating a bearing. No forbidden glitter. I know someone with a 2015 soul with the 1.6 na and they were so low on oil dipstick was dry. Variable valve timing wasn't happy under throttle and threw a light. Dude check your oil and get it changed regularly! With the known problems these have no need to invite disaster.
Thanks for the comments. We were expecting a little more excess debris to come out after the secondary flushes but everything looked really clean. Also happy that were are not getting any metal in the oil, hopefully we were able to salvage the engine. We will continue to monitor it every 1k miles until the next oil change. Hopefully we got it squared away and it continues to run great from this point forward. Cheers!
Looks like it is ready for some long life now. Just drive it and run 3000 mile oil changes. pulling the oil pan and cleaning the sludge was probably the best action that you took. I wish my 62 Lincoln oil pan was that easy to access.
Thanks for the comments Jeff, appreciate the feedback. Hoping it works out for this young kid since he really doesn't have the first clue what it takes to service a car properly. Cheers!
Nice follow up!
Thanks for the comments, this little Kia keeps on running good. We just posted the 3k mile update video here - kzhead.info/sun/hNaDYKZlgoqKqmg/bejne.html Cheers!
love the b7 in the backround. what engine is in it?
Thanks for the question. That is our 2007 B7 RS4, Imola Yellow with only 36k on it (Garage Queen). 😎 BTW - We love it too Cheers!
I was wondering how the hell it still looks like summer in your videos and then remembered California just doesn't get winter, just slightly more rain and less sun 😆
Yeah, the weather is about the only thing California has going for it. It's been about 65F here the past few days, haven't had any rain for over a week now but it's coming this weekend. Thanks for the comments, Cheers!
What are you talking about! It was 44 degrees here last night!!!
Excellent work here! I have a 2017 Hyundai Elantra I bought new. Has this same engine. It just turned 100.000 miles last month. 3000 mile oil changes since new. It sounds perfectly healthy, nice and quiet, uses no oil between changes. And the underside of the oil cap has nothing on it. The whole car has been absolutely excellent. 0 repairs, 0 issues. Just 2 batteries, and 2 sets of new tires. Thats it! In 2021 I bought a new kia K5 GT LINE with premium package. Love it. 1.6L Turbo GDI, doing 3000 mile oil changes using Castrol Edge. Using the Elantra for my 80 mile round trip to work to keep the mileage down on the new car. I'm in so cal also. You have a new Subscriber 😊
Ive always been told you can use 1 quart Transmission fluid, 100 miles before next oil change. High in detergents and also lubricates. Cheers
Yep, the old engine flush technique I was taught was to replace the oil with ATF and diesel 50:50. Drive for 100-200 miles, then drain and check for chunks. If there were chunks, then put fresh ATF+diesel and drive another 100 miles. When you finally had no more chunks then you switched back to regular oil.
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That was in looser tolerance engines, do that to a high tolerance engine and it won't work out well. @@TracyMNelson
@@TracyMNelson Driving with that mixture is probably not a good idea. I'd say idle the engine for an hour, but dont drive.
@@H4K4Nyou need higher oil pressure for it to work. These loose engines have little pressure to begin with
Biggest secret, this was his car. He got busy in life with everything else. Forgot to his own oil change. 😮🎉
He's just a 20 year old kid that doesn't know anything about cars or what is needed to keep them running properly. He helped with the repair so he wants to learn and understand things. Hopefully he has learned a valuable lesson on the importance of routine maintenance on his car moving forward. The goal will be for him to be able to change his own oil moving forward. Thanks for hanging out, Cheers!
Great outcome for the vehicle owner. You probably extended the vehicle life dramatically.
Thanks Doug, hopefully we have done enough to salvage the motor. We will check on things every 1k miles until the next 3k mile oil change. Cheers!
I bought a Ford escort once really cheap because it had loud ticking from the engine. Turns out the oil wasn't changed in a long time, the oil came out like sludge. I ran seafoam in the engine for about 30 minutes idling and got a lot of build up out and pulled the valve cover and it was still a lot of sludge. Then changed the oil again and it ran a lot quieter. I sold the car and about 6 months later the lady's son blew up the motor.
Thanks for sharing Daniel, we weren't sure if Seafoam was any better at breaking sludge down versus the other products on the market. Cheers!
I got a Ford with 82K miles on it that was sludged worse than that. I couldn't even see the pushrods! I ran a quart of diesel in it after removing the chunks from the heads that I could reach. I didn't get nearly as good results as you did, but I managed to get about 3 more years from it before it completely gave up. The original owner (I knew him) didn't believe in oil changes; he just topped it off when it was low.
Thanks for sharing, there are lots of crazy oil change stories out there. Glad you got another 3 years out of that Ford. Hopefully this kid can get many more years from this Kia as well. Cheers!
20 percent mmo at each and every change, ran full duration. Three or four changes and life will be good, then keep doing, forever!!!
Thanks for the suggestions Mr. Farmer, we will keep adding some MMO to each oil CHANGE moving forward. Cheers!
I believe you just saved that engine. And I hope the owner learned a valuable lesson.
Thanks for the comments Scotty, hoping we did enough to salvage the motor. We just checked in on it after 1200 miles and everything looks great. Oil level is still perfect and there are not any issues. He's just a 20 year old kid that doesn't know anything about cars or what is needed to keep them running properly. He helped with the repair so he wants to learn and understand things. Hopefully he has learned a valuable lesson on the importance of routine maintenance on his car moving forward. The goal will be for him to be able to change his own oil moving forward. Thanks for hanging out, Cheers!
wow spent a lot of time with this vehicle.
Thanks for the comments. We definitely did not expect things to be this bad. It just kept getting worse the deeper we went. Hopefully we did enough to salvage the motor and help this kid out. Thanks for hanging out, Cheers!
Thanks for the Update! Ive been wondering what was going on with it. Great video, keep up the good work
Glad you enjoyed the update video. Thanks again for hanging out. Cheers!
You should try using the new Valvoline restore and see if it works as they state.
Thanks for the recommendation; we will definitely check out that product for our next Sludge Factory project. Be sure to check out the original video if you haven't seen it - kzhead.info/sun/i7lwac6QkImvl3k/bejne.html Cheers!
I love using Marvel Mystery oil in fuel and before oil changes
Thanks for the comments, we are using 4oz with each of the oil changes moving forward. planning on doing them every 3k miles from this point forward. Cheers!
I’m buying my son a 2012 Toyota Corolla with 100k miles. Would you recommend doing a flush on all used high mileage cars as a good refresh or starting point?
Thanks for the questions Chris. It would be a great idea to do a normal flush just so you know you are starting your ownership off with a clean slate. You have no way of really knowing what or how the previous owner performed maintenance. Even if they have receipts, there is no guarantee of what has been actually done. It's an inexpensive repair that can provide some piece of mind. Be sure to check out the original video if you haven't seen it - kzhead.info/sun/i7lwac6QkImvl3k/bejne.html Cheers!
Good video. Friendly advise though, use way less sealant that you showed putting on the oil pan, bead should be no bigger than 1/8" and mostly towards the outside of the lip, just rounding the bolts. Slivers, or excess on inside can and will fall off and clog oil pickup tube restricting oil flow locking up engine. Plenty of locked up cores for no oil, because of this and sludge in piston rings burning up all the oil. Take care.
Thanks for the comments, appreciate the feedback. Cheers!
I'd install a container of Rislone P/N 4102 with the oil change and run it the full interval. Do that for a few oil changes. Rislone has some ester content which is a slow-acting cleaner. This can help dissolve sludge in smaller passages within the engine without breaking loose large chunks, to include oil control rings.
Thanks for the comments, we will look into that product. Cheers!
start using shell rotella (diesel oil) .. it is very high detergent and may help clean it up more.
Thanks for the comments, appreciate the feedback. We will see how things look after the next 3k miles. Be sure to check out the original video if you haven't seen it - kzhead.info/sun/i7lwac6QkImvl3k/bejne.html Cheers!
Never missing an oil change
Hopefully he has learned a valuable lesson on the importance of routine maintenance on his car moving forward. The goal will be for him to be able to change his own oil moving forward. we will monitor it every 1k miles until the next 3k mile oil change. Thanks for hanging out, Cheers!
So was the first qt of diesel just sitting in there, without it running?
The first quart of diesel was just poured through the crankcase. We just let it flow out of the drain plug after the oil was taken out. We then added 3.2 quarts of fresh oil along with 1 quart of diesel then ran the engine at idle for 20 minutes. Hope this helps answer your question. Cheers!
I have a Mazda CX 5 turbo 4 that requires oil change every 5000 miles or every year whichever comes first per manufacturer. Since I only drive 3000 miles a year, I’m effectively changing oil every 3000 miles. Seems like most Kia owners treat their cars like crap not properly maintaining their cars with frequent oil changes.
To be fair, he's just a 20 year old kid that doesn't know anything about cars or what is needed to keep them running properly. He helped with the repair so he wants to learn and understand things. Hopefully he has learned a valuable lesson on the importance of routine maintenance on his car moving forward. The goal will be for him to be able to change his own oil moving forward. Thanks for hanging out, Cheers!
Rislone engine treatment , is a MUST to clear that type of sludge !!
Thanks for the recommendation William; we will definitely check out that product for our next Sludge Factory project. Cheers!
14:42 Do the 2 lobes top right and the 2 lobes top left have an excessive wear line in the middle?
They all looked pretty similar to us, it may just be how much varnish was wiped off during the multiple flushes. We didn't take the time to wipe each individual cam lobe one by one. Even if there is more wear on a few, there isn't anything that we can do at this point. Just got to take care of it moving forward and hope for the best. Cheers!
It astounds me that, given what a car costs these days (even a used one), owners would be so lackadaisical regarding oil changes which are easy to do and relatively cheap . I'd love to know what you charged for all that work.
He's just a 20 year old kid that doesn't know anything about cars or what is needed to keep them running properly. He helped with the repair so he wants to learn and understand things. Hopefully he has learned a valuable lesson on the importance of routine maintenance on his car moving forward. The goal will be for him to be able to change his own oil moving forward. Since he went to school with one of my sons, we just wanted to help him out. He covered the cost of all the parts used and we spent about 8 hours doing the multiple flushes, etc. We think most shops would tell him he needs a new engine and not want to spend any time actually cleaning anything. Thanks for hanging out, Cheers!
good job. i bet he sticks to synthetic motor oil with short oil change intervals from now on.
We are hoping he has learned a valuable lesson on the importance of routine maintenance on his car. The plan is for him to change the oil at 3k miles from now. Cheers!