THE MILITARY CHOOSES ITS NEW SERVICE RIFLE
2022 ж. 21 Сәу.
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The US Military has finally announced it’s new combat rifle and potential replacement for the M4…and Sig fanboys will never let us forget it.
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Sig: *has a 80,000 PSI rated chamber* Scott from Kentucky Ballistics: “I’ll be the judge of that”
Stick a thumb in it!
Yikes 😬
I laughed harder then i should of. That's too dark even for me lmfao.
Today on Kentucky Ballistics were going to fill the barrel with amfo and see what happens.
Well to be fair aside from the occasion that the rifle exploded, he has also intentionally tested a couple of other rifles with 80k+ rounds, so he is kinda an expert witness for overly hot rounds.
After some deep research and high level hacking, I can confirm the reason Sig won is because they used the word 'modular' more than twice as much as the next competitor in their pitch.
I heard it was the use of the phrase ‘battle force multiplier’ that put them over the edge.
The statement was "the modularity of this battle feild multiplier is exponential."
Wait, what about NATO standardization? Like wat
I heard it was the advanced quality of their power point presentation.
@@slice1208 Stop it!! I'm gonna pass out from excitement!!
My uncle was one of the helicopter test pilots that helped decide what helicopter they were going use as the air cavalry. Everyone was blown away when the brass decided to use the Huey which every test pilot, mechanic, engineer had ranked as the worst helicopter. It was number 6. Family members of the president at the time had large chunks of stock in the corporation owned the Huey
Bell aircraft.
Citation needed
@jb76489 Don't know about a link with Eisenhower when it was first tried nor for JFK, but LBJ specifically, via his wife, I believe, got rich off of Bell aircraft stock during the Vietnam War. He was even tied with them long before the presidency, doing some gimmick campaigning in a free-of-cost private helicopter for a few weeks courtesy of that same Bell company (and doing something similar with a likely heavy discount on the operation of a Sikorsky before that stint with Bell) as they hoped to use him due to being a prominent politician on the campaign trail to bring attention to their helicopters. It's a prominent part of his past, and this helicopter mania was advertised by him and his supporters. He was cultivating the image of an innovator. Trying to tie himself to the bright future of these new flying cars, and it happened to work out very well for Johnson and Bell in gaining fame and fortune for both.
@@BigWheel.Bell-end aircraft?
@@jb76489 no, Cessna makes the Citation. Not Bell.
as an Australian my everyday carry is steel toed boots
Hey same
As a canadian i have a metal hiking stick for all the ice and for idiots
Ribbit ribbit
@@xavierhibbs4850are crossbows legal in Canada? What about compound bows?
"Designing a weapon for a military trial is no easy feat" Somewhere in England, 3 guys in a shed are laughing at that statement
It's a shame what the gun industry in England has become, though.
And they managed to design one of the most iconic sniper rifles of the century
They invented the .280" / 7 mm intermediate round in the late 1940's but the US refused to accept it.
The Australian Owen gun..
kzhead.info/sun/a9WHn7ZtnoV9nJ8/bejne.html
I'm surprised the General Dynamics rifle was singled out for being too weird and not Textron's telescoped-polymer-case-elevator-bolt-push-through-eject contraption
Textron was fucking weird, but GD/Lonestar/Beretta offer is a bullpup.
GD's couldn't even be belt fed, which seemed to be the entire purpose of the NGSW project, to replace the 249
The ejected cartridge cases literally hit the operator on the way out of the bottom of the rifle, too. I would have thrown this rifle downrange and shot it repeatedly with my sidearm during testing after the first case hit my hand.
@@moonasha the army doing all these shit and then there's the marine corps who's trying to use the 416 for everything
@@moonasha their offer was to just rebarrel the 240 in 6.8
Very nice, let's see Paul Allen's service rifle
I currently serve in the U.S. Army and to be honest I am not looking forward to the transition, I love the M-4. Also, I am concerned about the weight of the new ammunition, 5.56 nato is already girthy when you carry around 7 mags of it plus a demo bag and kit. My ruck already comes to almost 75 pounds. I just hope that the gun is as good as they say it is... Anyway, we will see how it performs in combat.
Concern about engagement distance was the point of the 6.8, no such thing as a free lunch. It's either less weight or more powder.
The M16 wasn’t liked when compared to the M14… you love the M4 because you are familiar with it and have a lot of experience with it.. however I don’t believe you will live to see a US army without M4…
Would you love the M4 if your enemy was wearing level 4 armor?
@@ferdonandebull Very true, I am sure I will grow to like it. It will just be something to get used to.
@@galvinstanley3235 Very true, I am sure I will grow to like it. It will just be something to get used to.
"We're go in five" "wait... Got a problem" "what?" "Scope needs an update"
I hope that scope has Wi-Fi, a printer port, and a prepaid subscription to Netflix.
It's not a software bug, it's a feature.
Ha ha! Windows on your weapon: "Ugh. It's downloading an update. Can we call a three hour time out? Then I have to hunt for patches so the range finder goes back from being in metric. And the safety stops auto-locking after fifteen seconds."
@@MarkOakleyComics Make sure you don't forget your password. You might have to run across open ground to find the IT guy to reset it.
@@bubbajones5905 I would love me some Netflix and Kill.
Heavy Rifle? 20 round magazine? Full Power Catridge? We are repeating history once again!
Heavy rifle just means you get more ripped the more you carry it lol. My airsoft rifles weigh more than my AR15 coming in at over 8lbs.
Gunception
@@OneAngryVelociraptor then it's going to recoil like a mule.
AR-15A1 electric boogaloo
@@xXSCAR117Xx or you get the be more exhausted by the time it’s ready to fight…….which isn’t good
The marine corps adopted the m27 a few years ago. I was one of the first classes partially trained with the weapons system and we never had any problems with them other than them just being bulkier than the m4 and it is just a little to long when we had the suppressers on
i love how an EMP can completely disable aiming your weapon with the new optic lol
Etched reticles with backup illumination are the way
@@TransistorBased I personally like ironsights, they're the lowest sights to the barrel and are (usually) adjustable if needed
i swear we live in call of duty shit now prolly exosceletons soon
Something something etched reticle yadda yadda, either way if that's simply lines etched in the glass that you just never see until the lights go out (emp), it strikes me as being completely useless in anything close to darkness. The backup would have to have a secondary set of lights like Transistor said to make the etches function.... But if you got backup lights then why need the damn etches in the first place???
@TransistorBased I mean if your backup illumination is anything but a fiber optic cable like an ACOG you're still boned. Also I believe the new optic without power is just an LPVO so no it isn't useless after an EMP
Russian soldiers: "Can we please have food and maybe a red dot?" American soldiers: "Holy shit this firearm is more expensive than the house I grew up in."
This comment is like Springfield because XD
Imagine carrying a rifle more expensive than the house you grew up in only to get clapped by a bunch of talibros using the same AKs since the soviet invasion.
@@FuckTheState your rifle may be more expensive than the house you grew up in, but their rifles are older than grandpa and are still rocking
@FuckTheState Did you miss some recent events? The taliban is using all the equipment we just left behind for free.
@FuckTheState with the range of the 6.8, and (Hopefully) accuracy of the rifles, those AKs are gonna have to get alot closer then the Americans will in gunfights.
“Sig must be bribing, they won two contracts in a row!” Colt, looking at every contract from the last 100 years :|
First one to link obama/biden to someone at sig, wins a cookie. (probably a tracking cookie)
I'm not certain about that. Back when the M9 Baretta won, the SIG entry took first place in the shooting competition, but luau out due to Barretta being cheaper. SIG makes firearms Thai the military likes.
They also won the optics contract recently. There's definitely palms being greased.
bribe?
@@SuicideVan and their optics suck! I have both the echo 1 and echo 3 thermal optics and they are the biggest pieces of shit! My atn4 puts them to absolute shame
EDC depends on the weather. Could be a Gucci G19, a Commander Size Rail Gun, P365 or P320. The XDm 3.8, FNS40c and the Shield have been thrown into rotation occasionally.
yeah I just carry a five seven or If I feel bored 50AE desert eagle but the colt single action army also gets thrown it some times
5.7 all day
@@gabrielevans3531 yeah the perfect package wish I had a P90 to go with it but I sadly only have a FAMAS and quite frankly a colt walker I have in a safe that I never use but I'm ranting G3 FOR LIFE BABY
@@gabrielevans3531 though I also have a I think it was called gyrojet? somthin long those lines? tbh im clueless to what it is
the ability of this man to overthink things for the worst case scenario is genuinely impressive.
huh
Possibly, but then again 'prepare for the worst' isn't a bad idea.
Army: We're going with Sig rifles, vortex optics, and 6.8 ammo. Marines, as they continue to use the IAR with Trijicon optics and 5.56: Thumbs up.
The 6.8mm is also SIG SIG Sauer 6.8x51mm FURY Hybrid ammunition
And the Corps is like hell yes, new M-4s for everybody!!!!!!!!!!!
@@pstewart5443 lmfao 🤣
@@pstewart5443 I watched a video that said that the HK 416s are being fielded in the USMC.
@@dwighthayes4738 M-27 IAR i believe is the designation the Corps uses
This looks to me more like SIG knows their audience. They didn't try to build the best rifle ever, they built a rifle the military can get behind.
Like when Northrup Grumman YF-23 lost to the Lockheed YF-22. The USAF basically said, yeah that looks like an advanced F-15... yours looks like wants to be an X-Wing Fighter from Star Wars, we are awarding the contract to Lockheed, they know what we really wanted.
Did you say forward assist?
@@debbiestimac5175 no, the yf23, was hardly anywhere close to combat ready compared to the yf22 that demonstrated its capabilities much better. The YF-23 is debatable if it really was better since it was still rather early in development.
Government dosen't always pick the best. They pick good enough at a cheap price per unit. Sig probably gave them the cheapest price on the M17 and again on the spear. Government contracts is where the money is at for these companies. Then they will just up charge the civilian market once everyone has to have the "new thing".
Sometimes when making a new product being to innovate can bring problems. Especially when you are the military or police trying to adopt new technologies can be risky, I suspect the first change will be a simpler sighting system.
My first thought was that both of the other rifles use a polymer cartridge, whereas Sig uses a bi-metallic construction that can stand a higher pressure level. It's probably able to cycle more reliably.
I wonder how much better this really is than if they had just adopted the AR10 in the first place and modernized it along the way. Sig has made many great products over the years, P210, P226, P230, SIG 556, others i don't wanna keep listing all day, but even as a fan of theirs i'm surprised they pulled all these contracts out of the blue. Then again, the competition here was a couple airplane companies, which makes me wonder if anyone else even took the competition seriously, after how many designs have been "approved" and then abandoned over the years.
When the rifle is so fine that every other gun’s receiver looks the exact same
yes
@@niceisbest Yeah its kinda hard to iterate on a small metal box designed to contain a little explosion. Were people expecting nanomachines or carbon nanotube reciprocating balanced armature micro gravity controlled chambers. Its a fuckin piece of metal that lets the powder burn up and send the projectile towards the enemy, we're not going to improve on that any time soon, fuck.
@@Claymish Can't wait for either railgun or laser tech to advance.
@@dixen9116 Metal Gear?!?!?
So fine or no new engineering ideas?
Military: "We're replacing our M4's with slightly bigger m4's."
On the bright side, these ones haven’t suffered decades of neglect by heedless armorers yet!
AR-18 modernized
@@krichardson113 now privates in osut can get slightly less shitty m4s to train with
More accurate would be: "we're replacing our M4s with M14s because we never learn from history"
bigger m4 that can shoot 6.5 at 80000 psi
With the computing power the vortex has there is a scary high chance that you will be able to run doom on your optic.
Sig was the only one even capable of winning, did you see the truly unhinged internals of the textron rifle, an up and down oscillating chamber with an ejection port in the actual handguard
The real question is which general has connections with sig and got this fast tracked through the DOD
How much did he get paid as well? Haha
They hired the same people as Pfizer...
Russians happened
The same asshat that pick the sig pistol instead of walther, hk, glock, cz. Why God why would anyone prefer that sig over a ppq. I know they weren't in the running....but if your a general make them be in the running
@@boomer0117zr I mean that helps but I with Zach someone has connections
It's a shame Brandon didn't have the AK-50 ready in time. I really thought he had a shot at winning.
Ha ha, shot.
If three guys in a literal shed can conjure up an L96 then Brandon can get a military contract too
He'll be ready for the next one in 2086
Brandon might have some emails from a certain Eurasian power about 12.7x108 AK-50.
Maybe next time
I wasn’t surprised. The textron and general dynamics offerings were a bit of a reach and would probably not hold up as well. Really the only worthwhile thing to come from those two was true velocity and their ammo. The government has experience with the mcx platform with the rattler. They have seen good things so it was probably an easy choice.
I Love your positive vibes and humor mixed with insightful knowledge
Miltary: we need this. Military: adopted Military: yeah... that's going to cost to much what can we do with the m4?
They could just sell all the old M4s to the Taliban. I mean we already gave them a bunch. Were like a crack dealer. "The first ones free"
@@BustedLimbOutdoors sell them back to the tax payers at 200% mark up and in semi auto 🤣
@@jarethhogan3274 law enforcement / military only lower for sale 700$. GET YOURS NOW
@@sixpest as if I’d want a lower that’s been in the hands of a grunt
@@sixpest atf traps haha
I live in a ‘gun free country’, I have a Spartan sword and shield for home defense. In may 2021 3 men broke in my house whilst I was upstairs about to take a nap, I ran down stairs in zebra print boxers and the first guy turned and ran out the front door, the second followed him and the third was just stood there with a bottle of tequila in one hand from my bar. The dude was terrified he dropped the bottle and tried to run past me, got clattered with the riot shield and grabbed by the back of his sweats to where they came down with his boxers and the look on his face him looking up and back at me from the floor was priceless. He scrambled out like a lizard and 3 days later was found dead after he got thrown off a 5th floor balcony trying to rob someone else…
Savage
This...this is my favorite comment on this channel so far
That's it. Defenestration violence is far too high in your country. They need to ban high altitude defenestration. a second-floor defenestration is all anybody needs to defend their lives. Moreover, that criminal may still be alive today had his killer attempted a warning defenestration first, or at worst defenestrated him such that he landed on his leg.
Went Old Testament on him didn’t they, surprised he tried another b&e
Bro that's pretty baller
my everyday carry in AZ for the last three years has been a beretta m1951 naval model with wood grips. I lovingly refer to it as my RCPD handgun
For the carry question, I usually carry a S&W M&P Shield chambered in .45ACP. I also have a Glock 20 and a Colt Python.
"When you're trying to fire but your optic won't stop telling you how humid it is" made me laugh so fucking hard.
I legit looked at it for a solid four seconds before I went "Scope, say, bad things, wont let fire. SMASH GUN *Cave man noises*
Calculating…. Humidity too High…. Calculating….. Humidity too High…. Calculating…..
The Spear is 13.1 lbs with optic, ammo, and suppressor according to the trials. M1 Garand is 9.5lbs loaded Mk13 in 300wm with AICS, optic, ammo, and suppressor is 11.6 lbs Mk48 in 308 is 17lbs without ammo.
The rifle weighs 8 pounds 5 ounces. No shot the optic, ammo and suppressor weigh 5 pounds
@@bradenmchenry995 According the manufacture the optic is 2lbs 9oz without batteries, typical sig can is 21oz, 277 furry supposedly weighs 10-15 grains more than standard 7.62 ball per round. These numbers come from the trials, you can read about it.
Makes sense. Capable guns weigh more.
Sounds like our 11Bs will get an upper body workout just from carrying their new rifles. If it's accurate and reliable I doubt too many will complain.
@@MrAPCProductions I see the setup being closer to 12 pounds all together and that’s perfectly fine for an infantry rifle that has a suppressor, lpvo with all your ir laser stuff in it already
I carry a 1911. I love the platform and it works for me.
Love these, thanks Brandon, Talking stick was the best.
I did some math on a few numbers I found on the internet on the velocities and energy. The new 6.8mm/.277 Fury standard is looking to be a 135 grain bullet at around 3000fps for around 2700ft-lbs of energy. Or a 140gr at about 2950fps with the same-ish energy. All of which is at 80K PSI. You know what else fires a 140gr bullet at 2950fps for 2700ft-lbs of energy at a safe 60K PSI? .270 Winchester... Congrats people, we spent who knows how much on this program just to land SQUARELY back at the fucking BAR...
I’ll take a BAR if they have any lying around
Sig is producing those numbers out of a 16 inch barrel for those tests. That’s extremely impressive
Sig: hey John Moses Browning can I borrow your homework? JMB: sure just change it a little first.
@@bradenmchenry995 so it is. I’m just bitching because we went through this whole nonsense when we could’ve ordered 50 thousand HCARs and asked for it in 270 Win and had the same results. Still a good rifle, we’ve just gone full circle.
@@Toggers99 HCARs are heavier, though, with a much longer and heavier round. It’s a literal WW1 machine gun in trendy cargo pants.
The fire control naming convention they used for the optic is actually more in line with weapon systems like tanks, aircraft, and naval vessels. Fire control in this context means a computer that takes in sensor data, processes it, and gives the operator a "solution" on the target. It's a lot more advanced in it's capabilities and basically can make a average rifleman a lot more deadly at longer ranges.
Finally, I dont need to be in a tank to to use a laser rangefinder. The possibilities are endless. We are going to see basic grunts styling on dirt farming snipers.
Wasn't some work being done on smart bullets some time ago to help the average soldier too?
@@shanehickman9204 Yeah sadly the smallest they got them was to 50bmg with the EXACTO ammunition that could course-correct midflight Edit for video of EXACTO: kzhead.info/sun/jdqxoLV5hWuLnac/bejne.html
All fun and games until the electronics go down due to impact, or an EMP.
@@mangofett927 Then you use your Tritium backup also in the Scope.
OMG...it may be 3am right now for me - a time when traditionally, everything seems funny due to tiredness, but that last frame stating, "Straight up fucking missed -- how embarrassing"..... that really cracked me up to no end..!!!!!!! Sometimes bloopers are the best part of a video, and I don't want to detract from the rest of the content, because I enjoy a lot of your vid's, but please keep including bloopers, because when you are watching youtube content for mostly entertainment value (like I am), then bloopers are sometimes THE BOMB..!!!!! Cheers, -- Dale L.
weapon quality isn't the only factor in seeing if the weapon could be military issued, the location of the facilities how many and how fast they can produce is another factor to take in account.
Officers make these decisions, folks. You could have submitted an actual spear, as long as the code name for the the product had "spear" in it, it would have made it as a serious contender in the final round of decision making.
There's always that one Spartan on the review board that just wants the new uniform to be a pair of tight leather budgie smugglers, a single pauldron, and bronze abs.
As my Drill Sergeant used to say, remember when you are in battle the secure feeling that all your weapons are made by the lowest bidder! Also, all the high tech weapons you see on TV, is just for recruiting purposes and very few soldiers will ever use them, but good luck in Battle with your Vietnam era equipment!
My son in the Army just turned his M16 in for an M4 . He is happy, since it is almost as good as his Cabela's M4 at home.
@@TiglathPileser3 tha boy must be a 'rine.
@@TiglathPileser3 It would honestly rock if the military let you bring your own upper.
I heard the army already out in an order for enough rifles to cover the entirety of combat arms. Hell even the nasty girls already have m17s and are due to receive the new rifles soon
@@aniquinstark4347 The Army really does not like young people who have shot previously because they almost always have to retrain them to do it the Army way, and break you from your civilian way of doing things, they like fresh new brains. NEVER EVER, TELL A DRILL SGT., "I already know how to shoot Drill Sgt.!"
Brandon’s imitation of Ian’s intro is spot on LOLOL
Never seen a bot that almost sounds sarcastic
@@tsquitz Fr
Good video. I carry a Taurus 9mm when i carry concealed, and a HiPoint 9mm when I open
The new optic is just every Midwest mom ever. “This heat wouldn’t be so bad if it wasn’t for the humidity”
As an Ohioan, I agree.
Bro don't hate on my wife. Midwest is a slur, just like redneck or hillbilly. Which us country folk don't appreciate. 🤣
By the way midwest moms have fostered the best of us in this country to be clear. Hell, one gave birth to me😁
Humidity? HA! Y'all come down to Georgia... 🔥😈🔥
@@c_s_8411 Pretty sure everyone agrees the best people in the country are all in Alaska fighting Kodiak bears and Moose or whatever the fuck they do
On the topic of that magic fire control thing, let me quote something Robert Heinlein wrote in the bok Starship Troopers "If you load a mud foot down with a lot of gadgets that he has to watch, somebody a lot more simply equipped-say with a stone ax-will sneak up and bash his head in while he is trying to read a vernier."
It's not so complicated you look at thing you click a button and the scope gives you the perfect spot to aim.
Nothing better than coming back to your 3d printer to notice the base plate is on the floor and you have a mountain of spaghetti
Hi great call over the 3 d printers I have had printers by creality & Prusa I totaly agree they need time experience & a certain amount of trouble shooting but the Bambu labs X-1 C is a very different animal more like a microwave its a game changer
US military > Relaxes physical fitness standards > Adopts heavier rifle
How progressive!
When I was in the Marine Corps we had a saying, "Never forget the gear you're using was made by the lowest bidder."
I carry a Walther PDP 4.5 in or PDP Compact 4 in, or I have a duel wield shoulder holster to carry both in the off chance I get shot in the right hand. My son carries the PDP 4.5 in with 2 spare 18 round mags.
The optic is actually the key component. The presumption is that peer adversaries would be able to see night vision lasers with their night vision, the auto range finding weapons will reduce the visibility and increase accuracy, with the variable optic accounting for the angle and rotation of the gun. Also how do you complain about blackpowder and not air powered rifles not falling under ATF?
SHHHHHHH don't let them know air rifles exist.
U.S. Military: M14 too heavy recoil to much Also U.S. Military fifty years later: Heavier! Hotter ammo than ever before!
Right but the M14 fires .308 with a HUGE rate of fire that thing is completely insane.
There is nothing new under the sun, it has all been done before
@@UncleSarge Insane *for the first round*....after that it's just a hose throwing lead everywhere but where it needs to go. So it will be with this new rifle I think.
@@TimberwolfCY no I know, but the M14 was firing a round bigger than the one they've proposed, and with a ridiculous fire rate. First one was probably on target but the next 10 were NOT
@@UncleSarge Ha ha, no doubt, fair enough. Though with 80,000 PSI, I'm not convinced it's gonna perform any better than .308 in that regard :/
Fun fact: the optic being called fire control actually originated from navy terminology. When the guns on large warships had their combat ranges get so far away that targets were hard to see or that could not be seen with the naked eye, they created “fire control systems” which would allow them to engage targets at these longer ranges. So this new sight being called fire control means that they’re planning to use it to engage infantry at long ranges that would be difficult/impossible to see without magnification.
Actually didn’t know that, that’s kinda cool
Surprised the Army didn't call it something like "The Advanced Modular Squad Weapon Visual Target Acquisition System" (AMSWVTAS)". I mean, why call it a "sight" or a "scope" when you can create new acronyms??
@@markh.6687 Ballistic Optical Fire Aquisition
@@jaynecobb7964 What's B.O.F.A. ?
@@a_dudethefirst7918 BOFA DEEZ NUTS!!
Still subscribed and my personal carry is on of my two 1911's either, My 45 ACP Rock island 1911 A1 FS that I customized with a 7" ported barrel and a 2" muzzle break with a magwell. Or My 10mm Rock island 1911A1 FS Tact that's pretty much stock
Also thank you Brandon. Your videos have helped me learn more about some of the firearms I have fired and wish to fire.
remember when the military went from the garand - a heavy, powerful rifle - to the M14 (kinda same same) to the M16 in an attempt to go to a relatively lightweight, low-recoiling round? and now we're back.
Since then, theoretical model target (a basic Russian conscript) had acquired a less comfortable equivalent of ESAPI armor as basic kit, and the set of plates for that was about $150 a pair on the civilian market before this whole Ukraine bullshit started. Realistically, an American infantryman in 2030s runs the risk of facing down a mercenary or a volunteer in all-around NIJ IIa armor with NIJ IV plates, custom AK in 7.62 with LPVO or an SVD, both loaded with mil-spec tungsten AP, and with far superior training. They're gonna need all the edge they can get, even at the expense of weight and money. Not that Uncle Sam is going to have any less dollars to throw around...
@@BlackBladeGroM That 6.8 can be negated by a slightly thicker plate that costs nothing to field vs a new rifle that will carry less ammo. The obsession with rifles while the US has almost no tactical air defense and 40 year old artillery SP systems is a symptom of rot.
It's not just armour, the new optics/firecontrol systems are miniaturised versions of equipment that revolutionised tank combat, the new ammunition and rifles will be better at taking advantage of the changes these fire control systems could make to infantry combat.
The us does have new sp gun projects see the ERCA weapon program. As for air defense GD already has a 1.2 billion dollar f contract to build more air defenses for thr us military
@@HerpDerpNV "slightly thicker plates" means more cost and more wieght. And more thickness doesn't mean more protection, it will turn into a 10 year contract to make new lightweight body armor that can stop the round. Also the round has better ballistics at range than 5.56, we have been able to use 5.56 because the people we have been fighting have been living in huts or caves using leftover guns from ww2 and desert storm.
Anyone who listens to Forgotten Weapons knew immediately that Sig would win. They were the most conventional. The other two was a complex experimental design and the other was a bullpup.
Bullpup rifles: Bruh...
I agree completely. I've known from the first time I saw how complicated these other systems were that they would never win this contest. That's not to say that they aren't interesting, but they had a lot of moving parts.
1st off the textron ACR was a pump action shotgun turned automatic. Think about it.... 2nd Bullpups are being shown to be extremely effective in numerous situations by various top tier armies. Americans dont like it because its not American, but Ukrainians whom are fighting a much tougher fight than anything America has faced in 50 years LOVE their Bullpup. Conventional thinking leads to stalemates and being surprised by unconventional thinking. Its not a superpower.
@@eljefeamericano4308 do you think punp action shotguns are complex?
Speaking of Forgotten Weapons, should've submitted the WWSD rifle. Just the small improvments to get the weight down, they'd easily beat out the competition and the M4.
My conceal carry is a simple Taurus 92 with 19 round magazine. I've never had a jam or anything like that....probably should clean her though.
I actually just bought a canik TP9SFX and that's my newest carry gun Only annoying thing is trying to find a good holster
Remember when the Army spent millions of dollars on a camo pattern because "it looked cool"? Pepperidge farms Remembers
Looking cool is a deterrent
And people died because of it.
Only millions?
You had to go there. Now get the beret talk over with.
I figured Sig would win. Their rifle seemed the least…….weird
And I believe they won the handgun contract partly because they offered a low price per firearm. there is a chance that also put them ahead of competition.
I would’ve loved to see the military implement that bullpup instead. It would’ve been cool to finally have a different looking and feeling rifle than the m4 look alike
Aka least innovative/futureproof
@@that1randomguy382 could you imagine the retraining for all the current grunts on a bullpup lol
@@that1randomguy382 Yeah, the specs for the bulpup look good but I suppose it's easier to implement something with a similar platform to what the military is already using. That and textron had a very badly placed ejection port. How many troops would of placed a hand there?
I would not be too worried about 5.56x45 availability. The US takes awhile to adopt new platforms and certainly with all the rearmament in Europe, a lot of 5.56 military demand will continue to exist.
That GD gun looks like it belongs in an Arma 3 game XD
I wouldn't be surprised if something from Arma is based off of that, since pretty much everything thats in the base game is what could have been on a battlefield in 2035. 6.5x39 is NATO's cartridge because the US was looking to upgrade to 6.5 even back then (even if its now 6.5x51, 6.5 was what they were looking for), every NATO vic was something that could have been adopted as of 10 years ago (though a lot of those programs got canceled, the one that could have been the Black Wasp or the attack helo. Even the Promet from Contact is based off of the Polish rifle of choice, just in 5.56 instead of 6.5 (Forgotten Weapons made a video recently, and even the GL variant looks exactly like the Promet GL).
General Dynamics choice was seriously interesting. Their suppressor was designed specifically to be as short as possible without sacrificing barrel length, so they went with short and fat. What is Vortex smoking for that optic?
The GD submission was by far the most interesting to me. I don't see anything in the SIG submission that's really advancing technology. I think GDs ammo really should've been taken at the very least.
Seems like you've done zero research on the optic
@@esvete9787 That's the whole point. Sig won by the sheer fact their rifle was just good and didn't include any Space Age bullcrap.
@@willyvereb so just an excuse for the government to dump more money into the military
@@willyvereb then why adopt another rifle at the cost of millions/billions of dollars? There is a clear leap in technology between the M14 and the M16. The M4 to the XM5 is a sidestep at best. The GD ammo is substantially lighter while still being a rifle cartridge, that is a clear step forward.
If Forgotten Weapons has taught me anything it is that military contracts have more to do with politics, luck, low costs and good timing than designing the best firearm. "Do bureaucrats like your gun? Did it perform well in arbitrary tests?"
Did you grease the right palms or promise the right officers lucrative enough "consultation" positions with the company when they retire after the process? The military contracting/procurement process is three things: graft, graft, and more graft.
thats pretty much the gist of the entirety of the military industrial complex friend.
@@rylian21 I assume successful companies already hired the right people long ago. Promises would be unreliable compared to a company with an existing veterans hiring program.
This. GD was the superior rifle. It’s design is so much more mechanically elegant and efficient due to its wholesale adoption of the bullpup format. Sig tried to stick next gen performance into a last gen format. What you get is galactic chamber pressure, extremely heavy for what it does, god awful ammo design, and a very complicated gas-piston system that tries so desperately to do it all the while “looking like the rifle we all know and understand”. This has high level corruption and insider preferential treatment all over it. Sig pulled some strings and stole this from GD.
Also that even if your gun wins a contract, that doesn't really mean that it will be implemented in any real numbers.
It's strange the lmg is so light yet the sig rifle is so heavy. Honestly I feel like the rifle whould work better as a DMR and in the event we get into a brawl with a major super power then upscale production. But that's probably easier said then done so take my idea with fistful of salt.
My EDC is generally a P229 Legion RX with a Baldr Mini and a Grayguns trigger job/flat trigger.
The SIG winning was a forgone conclusion. It has the most similar handling to the M4, and it doesn't use weird experimental polymer cases for its ammunition. They wanted something different, but not _too_ different.
US Arrmy didn't change at all, they want things different, but not too different
@@elvispresley2284 It's not that US Army were extremely reluctant for a change. They prioritized Logistic when it comes to NGSW and other Projects. Funding Military is no cheap matters, especially for Global Spanning "Empire". Just look at Russia & China. While they boast about their "Future Capabilities" (China is well known for Advanced Hypersonic Missle Capabilities) they absolutely can't afford to procure in Such large quantities. Not to mention Buttload of Corruption involved (The Main reason Russia Military is screwed)
Is the best gun out there? Surely not. It is also not the worst. You I will do just fine. Testing high technology scopes fits in with the efforts to get more and better communication on the field. Not a dumb decision. You can only share info you know. I don’t get why the gun is locked upon so badly.
Honestly, after reading an article about the True Velocity rounds, I found them intriguing and would like to see real world testing for them (which I should probably look up at this point given the age of this video 😅 ).
Agreed. The sig might be a great rifle, but it’s obvious why it won against the other two. They were clearly worse/too weird.
I went to my local range yesterday and shot my first firearm. It was awsome! I shot a .45 ACP 1911 and now I cant wait to go back. I am a huge fan of your channel, and your videos are what sparked my interest in guns. I would like to thank you for that and wish you a great day!
Rad dude! I'm glad you could join the club. It's a fun hobby and used to be much easier, but it's getting better. Shoot responsibly!
@@zendell37 thanks! Cheers to you!
Another pro gun nubster was born this day lets all stop and share in a moment of silence for this revered moment.
Welcome…..to a life full of crippling debt.
Nice man 45s a great round 👍👍
Brandon you got to remember now they're using the one in three twist in order to take that power and put it into the spin to do much more destruction. They don't want velocity they want this to be subsonic unless I've completely blown whatever I've been trying to find out about it
My daily carry is a classic. A Beretta 84 BB in .380. I can't wait to get my hands on the new Beretta 80X. My 84 is one of the most reliable firearms I have ever used, the only time I have had malfunctions was because of a magazine.
the only doubt i had in my mind, about sig winning, was that the government might be dumb enough to put a battery-powered rifle into service.
@@thinkharder9332 But we need to slam sig as much as possible because, fanboi's! LOL
I'm pretty sure that optic needs a battery, like most modern optics. And flashlights.
Im taking about the textron rifle, it had a battery operated feeding system. You guys must not read well. The new optic is battery powered, with an etched reticle , so it doesn't need batteries to function.
@@natm5000 imagine a nuke goes off 150 km away from a whole deployed brigade, and suddenly their gun is not getting fed anymore cuz EMP effects lmao
@@tarkovenjoyer7636 Yeah if EMPs followed Hollywood physics/realism. Considering that effect is a byproduct of detonating nukes in low orbit. Or that EMP resistance has been incorporated into military hardware for over 20 years.
The general dynamics one was really cool. The plastic ammo seemed really interesting.
Cuz we dont have enough plastic everywhere anyways, all we need is the fucking military spending thousands of rounds per hour
@Dingus Khan You should got and watch task and purpose’s video on the whole thing. He had covered the whole thing from the trials and testing to getting to test fire it himself
And that's why it wasn't chosen
It's been tried before. Five years ago, a gunsmith showed me some prototype polymer 5.56 ammo.
Plastic ammo?
01:16 A little weird? lol If someone yells "catch the thief" everyone at Lockheed Martin and Sig sauer starts running desperately. Too much corruption with defense spending.
I have 2 carry setups 1(my cc set up) is a magnum research 1911 and snubby 357 boot revolver 2(my open carry set up) is a ruger superhawk and the snub 357 boot gun in both setups the 357 is the backup
I was dying laughing when you said "optic is now capable of giving the blue screen of death" 🤣
The new light machine gun looks scarily like the doom 2016 heavy assult rifle, same with the optic sounding like the scope for it. So we may be heading in that direction
I think it is also in modern warfare 2019
@@Vtolmelon The Sig NGSW is also the stardard issue assault rifle in BF2042
@@gregbarnes4083 its a shame that game sucks
@@amogusamogus8490 Ikr its really sad whats become of Battlefield, a fate worse than death imo
@@gregbarnes4083 just got into gaming a few years ago, saw the trailer, heard about the greatness of bf4 and was excited for my first battlefield launch. Boy was I dissapointed
Love you back AK-DADDY
Love the Ian impression!😄 Spot on!
Soldier 1 "Hey I got my new rifle with that all in one optic" Soldier 2 "Cool is it super heavy like they say?" Soldier 1 "Actually the gun isn't THAT bad, but all the batteries I need to carry for the optic are a bit much!"
inb4 aftermarket battery speedloaders.
So true. a lightweight flashlight is irrelevant when it gets 300% more heavy when its "loaded"
Bring on the beltfed AAs!
There will be multiple opportunities to recharge batteries at the objective just like the video game reloads.
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Looking at the history of military trials/adoptions in the U.S., it's not that surprising that Sig Sauer has been dominating U.S. arms trials lately. The system is designed to favor manufacturers that have optimized their business to fill large government contracts. They're basically the Colt of the modern day. Sam Colt envisioned his company to produce large numbers of arms for government entities through contracts. The 1873, 1892, 1909, and 1911 all came from Colt; it wasn't just handguns either, they produced Gatling guns, machine guns, etc. for the U.S. government. When the U.S. shut down Springfield Armory, the M16 was sold by Colt to the government until they lost that contract to FN, and even then they struck gold with the M4 in the '90s. Since Colt's R&D department basically disappeared in the 2000s, there's been a huge gap in the market for what is essentially the U.S. government's prime manufacturer of arms - Sig Sauer has stepped up to fill that role.
Not gonna lie, that kinda concerns me that Sig has done that. I keep thinking of the drop safety issues on their P320s among other reliability issues in their newer product lines. Perhaps I will be pleasantly surprised in the future. I do think the move to 6.8 is a good one but I do want more options for manufacturers of ammo. I don't want to pay $80 a box for 20 rounds.
I understand the cynicism but Sig was the underdog here. Textron is a vast international defense conglomerate that makes aerospace and mechanized platforms. They've been around for decades. General Dynamics is the 5th largest defense contractor in the US and the sixth largest in the world. Let me quote wikipedia here. "the corporation today consists of ten subsidiary companies with operations in 45 countries. The company’s products include Gulfstream business jets, Virginia- and Columbia-class nuclear-powered submarines, Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyers, M1 Abrams tanks and Stryker armored fighting vehicles." Sig USA on the other hand has only been involved in Firearms manufacturing for about 20 years. And that's all they do. By every metric, Sig has the least connections in Washington out of all the companies involved in the NGSW.
Uninformed person here, what happened to colt? The financial crisis hit em hard or what?
@@CircaSriYak " Sig was the underdog here" Sig was never an underdog. There's an infestation of Sig fanboyism and cronyism in the Army's procurement office. The CFO a couple years ago during the M17 selection and beginning rollout couldn't get Ron Cohen's dick out of his mouth, and worked the shaft and fondled the balls (personal experience from actually meeting him in a gun store and listening to him talk, store employees confirmed that others from that office were the same way). They also have a problem where everyone in that office is a career desk jockey who never say the field making decisions that affect the kit of combat troops, often ignoring combat troops input (the testing teams for the sidearm were surprised that the Sig was selected, it was in 4th place according to most of their lists).
@@How23497 that and Colt didn't sell many guns to civilians up untill recently, so they almost went bankrupt. Also being caught producing expensive rifles and carbines, but the quality was sub-par, losing the contract for the Armed Forces.
I carry a Bersa BP9cc or River Security 9 Sometimes a STI DUTY CT 1911
The optic is heavy, but it does also include your lasers so no need to mount a peq15 etc on the handguard. Although having the laser unit integrated and stacked ontop of the scope is limiting for your setup and will block your view. But it does move the weight reward. Pros and cons to that i guess
"SIG-Sauer wins contract" "General Dynamics crying with all the money they are going to get, thanks to the 'Ukraine-Russia game is going to cause the US government to give them more money to upgrade the M1A2 Abrams Main Battle Tank fleet". A Hungarian Armour Enthusiast
Két évig éltem Magyarországon. Főleg Budapesten voltam, de Szolnokon és Szombathelyen is laktam, és néhány másik. gyönyörű szép az az ország
Honestly lmfao
@@marcusborderlands6177 "Another beautiful day in the Military Industrial Complex!"
Sucks I invested so much in general dynamics and Raytheon
M1A3 coming soon I’d bet, I saw that the US Congress was getting pretty mad at all the SepVXXX models
Re: Bribery or "SIG being better", you're forgetting the third option -- they were cheapest.
@Uhhuh yeah because you want a prototype AR-15 replacement. The army won't pay that money for service rifles
If that is true or not, sig always undercuts comp for bragging right almost. There is a sheriffs department down here that was looking for a new duty gun, to replace glock 22 and 23s. Sig came in and offered them the 320s for free almost. The department paid to upgrade to night sights and accessories, holsters mag pouches, and they where to trade in their glocks to sig directly. Within a month there were so many issues the department requested their glocks back and found out sig had sold them. In the end they dropped the 320 and ended having to buy all new glocks. Even a few people in the military has talked about how cheap the 320 feels and they are falling apart already. So another low balled contract where people aren't happy with the finished product. Great example of the opposite of this, look at border patrol, secret service, and cost guard. They also did their own testing where cost didn't factor into the descion. All ended up going with glock. Sig continues to make inferior product qnd undercut other companies. The military should have the best, not the cheapest
@@andog6092 I haven't been impressed with their newest offerings, myself. Always liked their metal-framed, hammer-fired guns, though. Those things were tanks.
@@eljefeamericano4308 the p232 is like a James bond style gun. Love that thing.
@@neowolf09 That was really a beautiful gun, I agree!
I find it interesting the textron was a competitor, they also build snowmobiles and atvs ( formerly known as arctic cat )
They're primarily known for aircraft
I have the same .380 Makarov that you featured as an EDC, Brandon. It's reliable and very compact. For days when I'm dressed to carry more with ease, I carry a Glock 45.
Vortex in 5 years: We present you the optic that has an HDMI input for watching your favorite stream service while you're in combat.
Hahahahahahah!
Live stream with your government issue Only Fans girlfriend. Cockette Carousella 🎠 is fiercely loyal to you and every other swinging ____ in the company.
Upon research the optic is actually incredibly interesting. It essentially takes into account range, wind and humidity and moves your redecal to compensate. It makes shooting at long ranges much easier for soldiers and requires much less training
Oh well Shit
The......BONE COLLECTOR!!!! (monster truck arena voice)
literal autoaim
@@bioemiliano Breaking news: America banned from WW3 due to using aimbot
Reticle*
thats why i love indusgry Grade 5 axis 3d printer. you put the stl in and done.
11:39 Glock 18 with 33rd mag, extended barrel, g-stock and a vcog x6 scope because why not. never had to use it but god it feels cool
On the carry gun question: if I hadn't lost all my guns in a horrible fishing incident, I would be toting a Taurus 605 with a couple speed loaders of .357mag
Sp101 in 357 was lost in my own boating accident.
Based I also would carry a 605 if all my guns weren't lost while boating
I legitimately sold all of my guns to several dear friends of mine. Coincidentally, I clipped their obituaries out of the newspaper as they passed on and I keep them in a scrap book for memories' sake.
Dang, we all have such horrible luck. My firearms were also lost on a fishing trip some where at sea. Tis a shame my Tarus Judge was lost.
I’m honestly a little relived that sig won. If I remember, General dynamics and textron said they wouldn’t sell semi auto versions of their rifles to civilians if they won. That just sat wrong with me. But yes, sig does bribe.
@Riorozen Oh well that's good lol. guess we can live with 2/3
The MCX is 8k. So no, it's not really made for civilians. Not your average citizen anyway
@@kevinfitzpatrick5949 When there is demand and serial production, the price will decrease over time. And people who live in lucky countries will buy it.
@@kevinfitzpatrick5949 Gunbroker shows Sig MCX's in 5.56 for $2200-$3000 There is one dude selling a bonafide a MCX spear (.277) listing though for $18,000 though. It's even got 1 bid lol.
F##k anyone not willing to sell their weapons to the public. Government boot lickers won't get my money. Well, the guns are also ridiculously ugly.
I mean in switzerland we shoot with the SIG 550 basically, and its one of the only guns i know that can be used in close combat, and is still relatively easy to use and can also shoot precisely at 300m range. Basically a mid range sniper that can go full auto.
I remember being an 11B with the 82nd 1st/504th from 04-12. The first time I was on Christmas Exodus in 2004 I played some MOH game or maybe it was a COD game and I remember thinking “When the hell do we get these weapons.”
Sig made a gun you can bench-press to keep soldiers fit in the trenches of ww3.
Oh sick they finally made a decision
Only took 5+ years lol
@@shouldawoulda69 27 months
It’ll be in service for about a year before the M4 comes back
@@Thunderchicken69 *fingers crossed*
Why was sig chosen? The competition was fucking awful.
Was watching at the VSS all the video, missed everything.