Why Single Stage to Orbit rockets SUCK. The wacky history and future maybes of SSTOs

2018 ж. 13 Мам.
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Rockets are HUGE, complicated and expensive. As a matter of fact, the rocket that took humans to the moon, the Saturn 5, was 111 meters or 363 feet tall, and had more separation events than dating teenagers.
So why do rockets always split themselves into multiple parts. Isn’t that complicated and risky? Why throw so much away? I mean, there’s got to be a better way!!!
Well how about if rockets were only ONE stage? How awesome would that be? Well this idea isn’t new… it’s called single stage to orbit or SSTO and it’s often considered the holy grail of rocketry.
Well, today, I’m going to SMASH THAT HOLY GRAIL and explain why I think SSTO’s SUCK.
In order to drill this point in we’ll teach you all about the tyranny of the rocket equation and help you understand why every orbital rocket, well, ever is multistage.
Then we’ll take a stroll down SSTO history and look at some crazy designs that in some cases almost worked...
And not to be a huge downer, we will take a look at some SSTO designs that MIGHT actually work, including the Skylon spaceplane that uses the awesome SABRE hybrid engine.
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  • Make the rocket even taller, and the payload will start in orbit.

    @bificommander7472@bificommander74726 жыл бұрын
    • Best joke ever!

      @ugwumba3991@ugwumba39915 жыл бұрын
    • You mean a space elevator? ;)

      @CascadianPatriot@CascadianPatriot5 жыл бұрын
    • Just use a different output nozzle

      @palava8500@palava85005 жыл бұрын
    • @@CascadianPatriot I think technically it would be called a space "tower", but yes. The issue is you're still only at geo-sync speed and not orbital velocity. To get to orbit a space elevator needs to be something like 40000 miles high so it's actually in tension instead of standing on the ground. Its top-most part needs to be at least in geo-sync orbit around the equator. A tower doesn't need this but has to be strong enough in compression and lateral stability to keep it upright.

      @benriful@benriful5 жыл бұрын
    • Still an orbital tower at LEO would still be cheaper to launch from than any modern launch site. Also kinda cool to imagine stepping off a 100+km tower in space only to fall all the way straight down to earth.

      @KrunkMunkey@KrunkMunkey5 жыл бұрын
  • I'm such a lousy atmospheric pilot in KSP that for me, SSTO means "Straight Shot To Ocean"

    @HeadHunterSix@HeadHunterSix5 жыл бұрын
    • Same. Except mine don’t even get a straight shot.

      @iciclefox9901@iciclefox99015 жыл бұрын
    • LOL XD

      @michagrill9432@michagrill94325 жыл бұрын
    • Some of them I have to race off the end of the runway to get airborne haha

      @cheddar2648@cheddar26484 жыл бұрын
    • Mine just blow up in the runway Edit: because Of floppy wings

      @billykaelin6358@billykaelin63584 жыл бұрын
    • @@billykaelin6358 Mine blow up until I finally submit and vertical launch them from the VAB.

      @The_Bird_Bird_Harder@The_Bird_Bird_Harder4 жыл бұрын
  • "WHY SSTOS SUCK!" KSP players: *cries in SSTO*

    @t2hk_@t2hk_4 жыл бұрын
    • ssto's literally helped me build so much in space xD

      @RealPyro88@RealPyro884 жыл бұрын
    • @@RealPyro88 you mean you dont just abuse the mun launch site?

      @traegoins6903@traegoins69034 жыл бұрын
    • ssto's don't suck in ksp you don't need to cry about it even tho he says it sucks it dosent change a thiing

      @tylerjones-davis6269@tylerjones-davis62694 жыл бұрын
    • I only use SSTOs. I can’t do rockets.

      @strigonshitposting793@strigonshitposting7933 жыл бұрын
    • @@traegoins6903 Theres a... Mun launch site???

      @apachers2807@apachers28073 жыл бұрын
  • "The Saturn V has more separation events than dating teenagers." That one killed me lol🤣

    @calebwaddell6948@calebwaddell69483 жыл бұрын
    • Haha I am 9 years old lol

      @SahajSpaceEX@SahajSpaceEX3 жыл бұрын
    • Sahaj SpaceEX Haha you’re too young to have a KZhead account

      @f3p@f3p3 жыл бұрын
    • Wow

      @alexanderpadeyev5846@alexanderpadeyev58463 жыл бұрын
    • Oh my gosh

      @itsmenachogaming9835@itsmenachogaming98353 жыл бұрын
    • Doesn't it just have 3?? The PSLV rocket has 4 stage separations.

      @shamsudeenma1928@shamsudeenma19283 жыл бұрын
  • 13:47 Well, there you have it, an SSTO (Single Stage To Ocean)

    @techsbyglebbagrov7470@techsbyglebbagrov74704 жыл бұрын
    • China March 5b moment

      @firopense@firopense3 жыл бұрын
    • Godd one

      @silas-the-person3895@silas-the-person38952 жыл бұрын
    • Valid point.

      @Samolet938@Samolet9382 жыл бұрын
    • good one

      @whaooo4480@whaooo44802 жыл бұрын
    • You got me there

      @stonegamessm1598@stonegamessm15982 жыл бұрын
  • Everyday Astronaut: SSTO’s suck! Matt Lowne: hold my flight goggles. No wait. Give them back.

    @falconthebird5582@falconthebird55824 жыл бұрын
    • Lol

      @BrowncoatInABox@BrowncoatInABox3 жыл бұрын
    • Yes Matt lowneeeeeee

      @jya4676@jya46763 жыл бұрын
    • Yep

      @littlegamer00@littlegamer003 жыл бұрын
    • WHISKEY

      @gage2189@gage21893 жыл бұрын
    • I was gonna comment this

      @Gneisenau.@Gneisenau.3 жыл бұрын
  • Tim: "Two stages are better than one" Me: "Well one stage is better than none. LOL"

    @jfrog5440@jfrog54403 жыл бұрын
    • none is better than minus one

      @adamrezabek9469@adamrezabek94693 жыл бұрын
    • The two stages: Just the two of us, we could make it if we tried! Just the two of us. *Just the two of us!*

      @Samolet938@Samolet9382 жыл бұрын
    • In reality, 2 rockets are always going to be more expensive than one, and that is why many people are trying to make an SSTO airplane that takes off & lands on a runway

      @t.3465@t.34652 жыл бұрын
  • Everyday Astronaut: this is why SSTO's are bad Matt Lowne: hold my wHiskey

    @MrSiamese315@MrSiamese3153 жыл бұрын
    • wHiskey not whiskey

      @smitty7510@smitty75103 жыл бұрын
    • @@smitty7510 thank you for making me come back to this comment, forgot it existed, now its my most liked comment

      @MrSiamese315@MrSiamese3153 жыл бұрын
    • @@MrSiamese315 it has 18 likes

      @Liam_The_Great@Liam_The_Great3 жыл бұрын
    • Funny

      @aplane9625@aplane96252 жыл бұрын
    • @@Liam_The_Great *its now 113 do you like it?*

      @BLASTxStingray@BLASTxStingray2 жыл бұрын
  • 600 meter tall rocket: exists Kraken: "What foolish mortal has summoned me?"

    @nickkurzy2246@nickkurzy22464 жыл бұрын
    • you mean foolish kerbal

      @starleigh6680@starleigh66804 жыл бұрын
    • Kraken is proper spelling

      @TheRadioactiveBanana32@TheRadioactiveBanana324 жыл бұрын
    • Wat the heck

      @gamering2354@gamering23544 жыл бұрын
    • There aren't any 600 m rockets but ok

      @oliverssimanis8345@oliverssimanis83454 жыл бұрын
    • Sia

      @ibz531@ibz5314 жыл бұрын
  • "Maybe SSTOs don't suck. Maybe earth sucks."

    @crabnix@crabnix5 жыл бұрын
    • maybe we all suck

      @sdrx903@sdrx9035 жыл бұрын
    • Yes we all suck but god is everthing

      @freddiemercurygaming4124@freddiemercurygaming41245 жыл бұрын
    • yes earth suck with gravity

      @CariagaXIII@CariagaXIII5 жыл бұрын
    • @@CariagaXIII You understand it (;

      @vacastro1345@vacastro13455 жыл бұрын
    • Kerbin for the win

      @kameron1290@kameron12905 жыл бұрын
  • 1:01 _"Every orbital rocket -- well, ever -- is multistage."_ Only true on Earth. On the moon, every orbital rocket (ascent vehicle) is SSTO. *EDIT:* As usual, you're way ahead of me. 29:15

    @ncdave4life@ncdave4life3 жыл бұрын
    • Hes also wrong og Atlas was technically an SSTO, unless you count dropping engines as a stage.

      @testchannelpleaseignore2452@testchannelpleaseignore24523 жыл бұрын
    • @@testchannelpleaseignore2452 that's... Exactly what staging is

      @khoshekhthecat@khoshekhthecat3 жыл бұрын
    • @@testchannelpleaseignore2452 that’s literally the definition if staging

      @Formula1st@Formula1st3 жыл бұрын
    • They need to stage a decoupler to lift up

      @MrSiamese315@MrSiamese3153 жыл бұрын
    • @@MrSiamese315 that's like saying releasing launch clamps is staging

      @khoshekhthecat@khoshekhthecat3 жыл бұрын
  • As the guy who at one time was in charge of the Skylon airframe development, I can answer the point about skin heating? The SR-71 used a conventional aircraft monocoque where the skin was the aeroshell and the load bearing structure and the fuel tank wall. With Skylon these three functions are separated. The outer skin which gets hot has expansion joints every 30 cm, this aeroshell is thermally isolated from the load bearing titanium truss structure, which then supports the separately insulated propellant tanks. On the way up the high temperature regime is short enough that heat soak is not problem, on the way down although the low ballistic coefficient keeps the maximum temperature lower than the Shuttle the down side is that Skylon is in the high temperature regime longer and heat soak requires control. This excess heat is mopped up with 100 kg of liquid hydrogen from the orbital tanks.

    @hempsellastro@hempsellastro4 жыл бұрын
    • Oh, wow, this tech sounds so cool! Go Skylon

      @karelpgbr@karelpgbr Жыл бұрын
  • "It worked in Kerbal Space Program!" Said every engineer in history.

    @JosephJoboLicayan@JosephJoboLicayan6 жыл бұрын
    • Does that include KSP with the RSS/RO mods?

      @NittanyTiger1@NittanyTiger16 жыл бұрын
    • Joseph Jobo Licayan Theres an XKCD saying that. (Havent watched the vid yet, maybe it's in there lol)

      @mollymarsgal3377@mollymarsgal33776 жыл бұрын
    • Not for me :(

      @jebediahkerman4251@jebediahkerman42516 жыл бұрын
    • ssto in ksp is simple 2 long 1.25 meter tanks and a engine real life aint that eazy

      @Thefreakyfreek@Thefreakyfreek6 жыл бұрын
    • "It worked with 1/10th the planetary size and orbital velocity"

      @angelainamarie9656@angelainamarie96566 жыл бұрын
  • *Matt Lowne is typing...*

    @plant5875@plant58755 жыл бұрын
    • That first minute has to hurt oof

      @arizonamidnight5294@arizonamidnight52945 жыл бұрын
    • lol

      @DrBotnus@DrBotnus5 жыл бұрын
    • Fly safe

      @anagraphical_angel@anagraphical_angel5 жыл бұрын
    • Latt Mowne?

      @adamsiekierski3133@adamsiekierski31335 жыл бұрын
    • Lol

      @goofydoofs21@goofydoofs215 жыл бұрын
  • me:*builds SSTO* SSTO:so you have chosen, Ocean Single Stage To Ocean

    @421Dungeon@421Dungeon3 жыл бұрын
    • Submarines

      @sadiqahmed4143@sadiqahmed41433 жыл бұрын
  • If the X-33/Venturestar actually made it to production, it would have been a gigantic leap, and could have possibly changed spaceflight. It sucks it was just 4% from being completed. But then, as Elon said, if the design takes too long to design, then the design is wrong.

    @falkenlaser@falkenlaser4 жыл бұрын
    • I agree, and the thing is, it still had the payload of the space shuttle while being only a small amount larger. I think that it was a acceptable design, AND most problems have been solved. Btw, the aero spike’s problems were mostly solved for that specific model

      @tarunantony1866@tarunantony1866 Жыл бұрын
    • The design stage was basically finished, NASA even came up with alternate solutions to the last few sticking points (EG the infamous composite fuel tank). The government just decided to cut funding at some point for highly suspect reasons. It wasn't a design issue.

      @Blaze6108@Blaze6108 Жыл бұрын
  • Thanks for the respectable discussion of the DC-X Project. I was on that team. Re-usability concepts were advanced dramatically during that program, and several team members later joined Blue Origin and SpaceX. The only thing that stopped the DC-XA project was funding. And an engineer who forgot remove a safety pin to allow the fourth landing gear to drop. There were two previous "incidents" on the pad, which required extensive repair. That is what experimental vehicles are about: learning from mistakes, and getting better for the next test. Of the three companies competing for the X-33 project in 1996, only McDonnell Douglas had a working, flying prototype. Rockwell blew the dust off a 1960's-era rocketplane paper project, and Lockheed Martin threw every advanced, barely (or not) tested tech into their proposal. Lockheed Martin won because of politics. McDonnell Douglas was losing military contracts, and eventually accepted a buy-out from Boeing.

    @sconiglio@sconiglio5 жыл бұрын
    • Seem to recall the Mcdonnell Douglas proposal for X 33 had an SSME for the main engine and RL 10s to perform the landing? All off the shelf.. All perfectly practical and yet nasa went for least viable concept... Now idiots are playing with kerbal and stretching virtual rockets and trying to sell it as science... Can't say how much I wanted you guys to win it at the time

      @carldavies4776@carldavies47765 жыл бұрын
    • When you detach the bottom stage and it hits the VAB

      @hl_scientist1964@hl_scientist19644 жыл бұрын
    • I was putting in some control systems at the St. Louis plant when Boeing bought them out. I saw them launch something from the airport runway that was out of sight in under thirty seconds. Still don't know what that was.

      @Myrddnn@Myrddnn4 жыл бұрын
    • DC-XA may not have been able to be a true SSTO, at least not economically, but add a low energy (i.e. easily recovered and reused) lower stage, or tether capture in orbit, and the Delta Clipper becomes completely cost effective!

      @thomastolan1477@thomastolan14774 жыл бұрын
    • @@thomastolan1477 I agree with you, I would doubt that it cost that much money to repurpose it into a staged rocket.

      @10gamer64@10gamer643 жыл бұрын
  • one of my uncles worked for Bowing as an engineer, when i was younger i once asked him about using air berating rockets for space planes. he told me that if you had the capacity to make reusable and sufficiently powerful air breathing rockets then you wouldn't waste the effort making a space plane, you would just slap them on as a stage one boosters.

    @SpottedHares@SpottedHares4 жыл бұрын
    • “air berating”

      @comicsansgreenkirby@comicsansgreenkirby4 жыл бұрын
    • Bowing

      @Wirgah@Wirgah2 жыл бұрын
    • he should have worked for Boeing. The pay was better.

      @kitemanmusic@kitemanmusic2 жыл бұрын
    • You still couldnt take of vertically most likely, because you need some airflow to get air breathing engines running

      @giulio7918@giulio79182 жыл бұрын
    • @@giulio7918 Well that really depends on the engine, most to all airliners use APU's (auxiliary power unit) which is like a mini jet that generates power. Now you can start a jet engine using power, thing is you can't exactly just store that much power in a jet like it is nothing, hence the APU. Also jet technology is quite far away from vertically lifting a rocket, even then you would need to ditch them since jet engines cannot operate in space.

      @christerjackson9589@christerjackson95892 жыл бұрын
  • Looking back now, I feel like my SSTO program really hindered me from going far in the Kerbol system. It takes a good chunk of time to design, build, and test SSTOs to the point where I never went above LKO at one point.

    @reactorfour1682@reactorfour16823 жыл бұрын
    • U don't have a refueling station at LKO? Bruh

      @paurodriguezriera7979@paurodriguezriera79792 жыл бұрын
    • Tim doesn't give good examples to bash SSTO, 27:04 SR-71 flew at very long cruise angle flight in thin atmosphere, heat is not a major issue if your climbing higher atmosphers, SSTOL needs a wing flight to the kamen, at the peak, convert to FULL rocket exirtion afterburn, FAR more fuel saver as the second action is of a smaller rocket fuel storage in low grav&air flight, cruising to the exo orbit. this is a slower travel versus rocket. YET, versus the T-minus weather delays, most would still not be waiting on count down in future weather modern events, Tim keeps bashing SSTOL, because he needs to kiss up to rocket engineers traditional aura, including famouse ones.

      @ckdigitaltheqof6th210@ckdigitaltheqof6th2102 жыл бұрын
    • I usually use SSTOs in KSP if I’m building a space station or ferrying crew to and from LKO

      @sapientboxcreature8415@sapientboxcreature84152 жыл бұрын
    • @@sapientboxcreature8415 you'll get it, the SSTO or SSRT&VL, needs to go through a *phase* versus *stage* morph form changes during air & gravity layers of climbed atmospheres. To avoid those, lift-mass(with wings), weight ( collapsing bulkiness), and terminal thrust velocity ( transitions from jet, compression vac, to space engine). The Jet-Ramjet-Rocket thrust convertion. Slower trip sequal up, but consider that to reality scrubb T-minus future weather issuies of pure money burn verticle express, you'll get greater fuel save. Even if your taking up MASSIVE station barely unfolded, its just a *blimp* - wing form, before wing-craft, the vhigh balloons lift, then to re-compress & burn into engine fuel continued elevation lift up effect, before exo rocket eas.

      @ckdigitaltheqof6th210@ckdigitaltheqof6th2102 жыл бұрын
  • Okay, so how about taking the staging concept to its absolute extreme: a constantly shedding booster, entirely consumed as fuel. It'd have an internal tensegrity structure which supports it and the payload, made entirely of combustible metal interwoven with oxidiser and further solid fuel. It'd be engineered to self-form the combustion chamber, perhaps with some electrochemical guidance and feedback. Every centimetre it burned, it'd shed off its outer lining, minimizing weight at every chance.

    @samposyreeni@samposyreeni3 жыл бұрын
    • You get on work with that, let me know when it's working and I'll tell NASA to contact you okay 👍

      @dancohen3099@dancohen3099 Жыл бұрын
    • Sure, wrap that in a light fairing and you've got a solid rocket motor lol That's all they really are

      @helplmchoking@helplmchoking Жыл бұрын
    • So kinda light a caseless round?

      @Blaze6108@Blaze6108 Жыл бұрын
  • You should do a video on aero spikes or hybrid engines or just propulsion systems in general. Great video! One of my favorites by you so far

    @bradensmith8006@bradensmith80066 жыл бұрын
    • Braden Smith also one on nuclear thermal upper stages like NERVA plz

      @michaelmclean5823@michaelmclean58236 жыл бұрын
    • Yo anyone thinking that this was the inspiration to make the aerospike vid?

      @silas-the-person3895@silas-the-person38952 жыл бұрын
    • He did one on aerospikes

      @roderickreilly9666@roderickreilly96662 жыл бұрын
  • When you hear the word ssto, you usually think about a space plane... not a space rocket. If you are trying to make a ssto it is way more efficient if you build a plane and use air breathing engines to get up to high altitude, then you light a rocket engine and fly to orbit.

    @stefannilsson2406@stefannilsson24065 жыл бұрын
    • Theoretically, but in reality you need to worry about; thermal tiles to protect the plane on re-entry; having light enough fuel tanks; the extra mass that an air breathing engine (which is always lower thrust to weight) will take up on your spaceplane, etc.

      @JohnDoe-vz7ff@JohnDoe-vz7ff5 жыл бұрын
    • @@JohnDoe-vz7ff All of this can be avoided when we figure out nuclear fusion... Imagine being able to slow down so much that you don't need to re-enter at extreme speeds.

      @CritikillACClaimed@CritikillACClaimed5 жыл бұрын
    • @@CritikillACClaimed Well not really. If you slow down that much you will end up re-entering at an unacceptable angle and the g-forces will be far too high to survive.

      @JohnDoe-vz7ff@JohnDoe-vz7ff5 жыл бұрын
    • @@JohnDoe-vz7ff That will happen if you slow down to 0, then just leave gravity to do the rest. What I'm saying is, if we discover incredibly efficient ways to harness fusion energy as propellant, we could have enough to do what we want, include slow down 0m/s and re-enter at *controlled* speeds due to constantly slowing down. If NASA had insane Delta-V, they would use the method 100% of the time. But the re-entering is required because they don't have enough energy to slow down enough, simple.

      @CritikillACClaimed@CritikillACClaimed5 жыл бұрын
    • @Gaming Champ Skylon Musk?

      @CritikillACClaimed@CritikillACClaimed5 жыл бұрын
  • The main reason, as far as I know, that ssto's are so viable in ksp is because heating is far less severe and air-breathing engines are extremely efficient compared to closed-cycle engines. Due to this, it is just far more efficient in that game to get to near orbital velocity in the atmosphere using air-breathing engines and using lift for support, then just use a closed system rocket to get that final kick into full orbit. Basically, the Skylon approach.

    @aaronclark4957@aaronclark49572 жыл бұрын
  • One problem: in the ksp simulation, you used a conventional rocket. Most SSTO’s have a spaceplane design, for aerodynamics.

    @Celticway1@Celticway13 жыл бұрын
    • I was just about to say, SSTO is only useful if you're planning to return to earth and reuse the vehicle

      @captaintai4013@captaintai40132 жыл бұрын
    • With an Argus class SSTO you get over 15,000 Delta V. Almost 2x the ammount you got from the multiple stage rocket

      @bobjoebo8933@bobjoebo89332 жыл бұрын
    • Yeah he took a rocket completely designed to be staged and tried to rough and dirty it into a ssto. Might was well slap another 1000hp on an 18 wheeler and pit it up against f1 cars surely it would compete

      @camcam-uw5mx@camcam-uw5mx Жыл бұрын
    • @@camcam-uw5mx XD

      @Damian-cilr1@Damian-cilr1 Жыл бұрын
    • There is more too it to. The plane design allows the space craft to take off with a twr of less than one, which means a smaller engine. As they also have wings they are much better suited for flying horizontally, and could actually build up more speed in the atmosphere. That last bit isnt very helpful if your using plain rocket engines, but jet engines are another story. Jet engines have a much larger specific impulse than rocket engines, but need to be in an atmosphere to work. As such the more of your orbital speed built up with jet engines the less fuel you have to carry

      @CreeperDude-cm1wv@CreeperDude-cm1wv Жыл бұрын
  • "It works in KSP" *presents real solar system mod*

    @soup5344@soup53445 жыл бұрын
    • XDDDDD

      @Iknowhowbadthisnameis8828@Iknowhowbadthisnameis88284 жыл бұрын
  • you seem to really be in your stride these days man and still feel like your content gets better nearly every time you put something up. Appreciate the upload bro

    @sickbailey21@sickbailey216 жыл бұрын
    • Well shucks!! Thank you!!! 🙏🙏🙏

      @EverydayAstronaut@EverydayAstronaut6 жыл бұрын
    • @@EverydayAstronaut hi tim love your content your so inspirational

      @silas-the-person3895@silas-the-person38952 жыл бұрын
  • Yay for Skylon! Apart from the technical challenges (of which there are many) Skylon's biggest hurdle is likely to be funding. Us Brits are not great at funding spacecraft, sadly. But even if the rest of the spaceplane does not get built, I can see the engine being completed & being used by someone like Boeing. This is probably why they recently gave some funding.

    @nathanreeves9408@nathanreeves94084 жыл бұрын
    • Hey you guys launched one whole rocket with a satellite in the 70s, which ain't much but it's something, but skylon would be badass tho

      @bnbcraft6666@bnbcraft66663 ай бұрын
  • First time I saw Skylon, I was struck my how similar it is in shape and proportion to the Orion shuttle from 2001: A Space Odyssey.

    @dashfatbastard@dashfatbastard Жыл бұрын
  • "More separation events than dating teenagers" Accurate xD

    @shawn.champagne@shawn.champagne6 жыл бұрын
    • Shawn Champagne What about making a rocket so tall it's actually already in space?

      @JohnnyZenith@JohnnyZenith6 жыл бұрын
    • JohnnyZenith that's a space elevator and that has a hug issue because it would have to be 300,000 feet and most airliner curse at about 30,000 feet even the Sr 71 never went above 200,000 feet

      @spudzillah_6175@spudzillah_61756 жыл бұрын
    • It would actually have to be waaay longer than that, out to geostationary orbit in order to hold itself up. You're talking 36,000km (100 million feet)

      @lewismassie@lewismassie6 жыл бұрын
    • Lewis Massie dozens Manny we have no natural to do it even if we wanted to

      @spudzillah_6175@spudzillah_61756 жыл бұрын
    • It's actually possible using an active structure. Essentially you can hold up anything by shooting stuff at it. No joke.

      @gracefool@gracefool4 жыл бұрын
  • Don't normally comment on KZhead videos but just wanted to say awesome video, 33 minutes of pure gold .Big fan of longer videos.

    @Amerak95@Amerak956 жыл бұрын
    • Amerak same here!

      @nemooxo@nemooxo6 жыл бұрын
    • Gay

      @subtopewdipie7575@subtopewdipie75755 жыл бұрын
  • Reason to keep working on SSTOs: Rule of Cool

    @Link2edition@Link2edition4 жыл бұрын
  • While I get your point, it seems a bit unfair and misleading to say SSTOs suck because we can't build one using existing technology designed for multi-stage rockets. Your experiments in Kerbal included just adding more fuel and more rocket engines to the fuselage of a multi-stage rocket. Some of the concepts for SSTOs (ex, Skylon, Space One), are radically different than just a traditional rocket with more fuel and more engines.

    @Moohasha1@Moohasha12 жыл бұрын
    • You're still limited by the rocket equation in the end. Besides that, being able to optimize engines for sea level and for vacuum is reason enough to have two stages, beyond the other advantages.

      @ATSaale@ATSaale Жыл бұрын
    • @@ATSaale ~~Don't use a Rocket~~ I think that, by SSTO, we generally mean *space planes*, and that wasn't really touched upon here.

      @Azuraerae@Azuraerae Жыл бұрын
  • What about making a rocket so tall it's actually already in space?

    @JohnnyZenith@JohnnyZenith6 жыл бұрын
    • then the people who made it would have to be astronauts

      @markmaslach@markmaslach6 жыл бұрын
    • It's called a space elevator lol www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/people-are-still-trying-build-space-elevator-180957877/

      @SWRaptor1@SWRaptor16 жыл бұрын
    • it also would not be a rocket lol

      @markmaslach@markmaslach6 жыл бұрын
    • Side-note: this would actually be slightly different from a space elevator, because a space elevator is a tension-based object (that is, it's a string that's being tugged on at both ends to keep it stable), while a space tower would be a compression-based object (that is, it's a pile of stuff that's pushing together to maintain its structure). No substance we know of is strong enough under compression to allow for a space tower.

      @trimeta@trimeta6 жыл бұрын
    • space elevator :D!

      @anngo4140@anngo41406 жыл бұрын
  • 2:20 Me in 50 years when my grand kids keep landing with their aucubierre drive spaceship on my lawn on Mars.

    @vagatronics@vagatronics4 жыл бұрын
    • kek

      @cowmoo5596@cowmoo55964 жыл бұрын
  • 600 meter tall rocket, I think the most concerning factor of that is a light breeze

    @HappyfoxBiz@HappyfoxBiz3 жыл бұрын
  • "14:22 A lot taller. Hehe, hehe~" *Insert PP Joke here*

    @YuriYoshiosan@YuriYoshiosan4 жыл бұрын
    • haha you said here

      @seanwaddell2659@seanwaddell26594 жыл бұрын
    • pp joke

      @CardZed@CardZed3 жыл бұрын
  • I am always amazed how many smart people seem to not realize getting to orbit is all about velocity, not altitude... (looking at you especially Roton, WTF were you thinking???)

    @DeterBrian@DeterBrian6 жыл бұрын
    • Well the benefit to the Roton is it's able to just have a vacuum engine (or at least something that only has to preform well in the upper atmosphere) I guess

      @mayathomas8934@mayathomas89346 жыл бұрын
    • It might be a good way to lift off the surface of Venus. A bell nozzle optimized for 90 Earth atmospheres wouldn't have much of a expansion ratio. A balloon might work better.

      @Markle2k@Markle2k6 жыл бұрын
    • @@mayathomas8934 The main engine of the Roton was a "rotary aerospike" engine which is automatically variable with air pressure.

      @seanellis7563@seanellis75635 жыл бұрын
    • whats more fuel-expensive: starting from sea-level or starting from lets say 5000m? who's the smart one now?

      @schallterrorist7127@schallterrorist71274 жыл бұрын
  • 2 stages with 100% recovered parts is going to be the way to go. Space-X is a great example. A venturestar/x-33 style with a pair of cheap solid boosters (with parachutes/airbags, and no Orings!) to address the weight budget would work very well too. Or a SSTO with a ground based rocket-sled ramp that gives you your first 100m/s for free. True SSTO is entirely dependent on slightly better materials & slightly more efficient engines/fuel. It wouldn't take a huge leap to become viable.

    @kathrynck@kathrynck4 жыл бұрын
    • @@the10thdimension Not even fusion needed, just nuclear heated chemical rocket fuel would do it. But you'd need a safe reactor, on a rocket, which don't always have pristine safety hehe. The problem with fusion is that it's TOO powerful. We can do fusion bombs, but harnessing it as a slow fizzle (like nuclear reactors do with fission)... is a really huge problem for fusion. We've gone from 60 years of fusion being "just 20 years away", to now saying "just 15 years away" (probably for the next 60 years). Or if we're lucky maybe that will scale and it'll only be 15 years away for 45 years ;) hehe If the space-x starship/bfr combo works ("if", and I get that the first few launches are not super likely to work entirely, but if they get that system perfected) then it'll kinda shut down the SSTO discussions for a long time. Just by the sheer size & weight capacity of their system. If you cut the wings off, you could almost fit the space shutting inside starship's payload bay. If it works, if it's safely recoverable... it'll change human access to space by an order of magnitude in terms of size/weight/cost. I think the X-33 was the most realistic SSTO idea. To do it now though it would be competing with starship. And recoverable 2-stage to orbit could lift much more. Eventually having both options would be desirable. The whole "living on mars" thing is fairly far fetched. Far more downsides than upsides. But if starship works well, it'll be like the printing press or the automobile, but for space. Von Braun had it right though, the moon is the first big step. There's actually good reasons to go there. It's full of rare elements, and even helium 3 (which we'll need for fusion ...eventually). Going to mars would be hard, and of minimal value apart from the photo ops & general exploration. But the moon, that'd actually be super useful on an advancement of civilization level. If mars still had a molten core to give it a magnetosphere, to keep the atmosphere from blowing away in solar wind... then mars would be a LOT more interesting to establish a permanent presence on.

      @kathrynck@kathrynck Жыл бұрын
    • @@the10thdimension I mean. Eventually, yeah, in a broad sense. But it's kinda like a cave man saying "if we want to use glocks we're going to have to stop using these lousy pointed sticks". There's a lot of steps between, which don't necessarily fulfill themselves, and isn't necessarily being denied you by some mean tribal chief. ;) In the meantime, the pointy sticks are quite useful.

      @kathrynck@kathrynck Жыл бұрын
    • @@the10thdimension Well, if stone axes are better, that will happen organically. Top-down authoritarian approaches cripple rather than accelerate advancement. Because it uses the brains of everybody, instead of just the brain of the ideologue in charge. Humans will observe what works better and figure it out (assuming it really does work better, often that's more a twinkle in the mind of the ideologue in charge than a reality). There are _sometimes_ things which are better but would require a "getting over the hump" sort of process before the benefit would be apparent though. That's where it can be good to have "socialist sprinkles" as a garnish ;) As well as the ability to repeal stuff if it doesn't pan out. But by and large, letting individual exceptionalism _excel_ provides the blueprint for advancement.

      @kathrynck@kathrynck Жыл бұрын
    • @@the10thdimension hehe, sorry, must've spent too much time on political forums. "everyone should just do X" is a bit of a red flag ;)

      @kathrynck@kathrynck Жыл бұрын
    • I've always had this weird idea that you could use two Venture Stars coupled belly-to-belly with fuel crossfeed, basically using one as a first stage. That would give you the advantages of everything. In general, I think once materials science advances enough, it will make sense to move away from tube-shaped rockets and into lifting bodies, as that would allow you to skip retropropulsion for landing and save massively on delta-v. If you're willing to have large interstages you could even stack them.

      @Blaze6108@Blaze6108 Жыл бұрын
  • 0:15-0:20 is why i NEVER pull the stages apart unless it's over a bed, or i do it in reverse order

    @BradleyG01@BradleyG013 жыл бұрын
  • Subscribed! I've been playing KSP and following space expl. for years but you still said stuff that helped me understand better. Thanks and keep up the great work!

    @MythosGandaar@MythosGandaar4 жыл бұрын
  • *Matt Lowne wants to know your location *

    @mfmees@mfmees5 жыл бұрын
    • "The Saturn V has more separation events than dating teenagers." That one killed me lol🤣

      @solomanwill1@solomanwill13 жыл бұрын
  • ( ! )[**Matt Lowne will remember that**]

    @freesbeedoggo8363@freesbeedoggo83635 жыл бұрын
  • thanks for making these! Iove going back and touching up on the basics!

    @macebobkasson1629@macebobkasson16292 жыл бұрын
  • Well done video. I agree with your assessment: until we have some material breakthroughs, reusable stages are the most efficient solution. SSTOs or horizontal launch from a carrier aircraft might help reduce turn-around time and ground facilities, though, so still worth pursuing IMHO. And the experimentation helps develop and test new technologies, even if the project vehicle doesn't pan out. I, for one, would like to see the aerospike engine developed, whatever vehicle it propels. I think that could be a game changer. The Skylon engines are pretty impressive and could make SSTO a reality. Loved the presentation.

    @cmbarrett65@cmbarrett653 жыл бұрын
  • The only ssto that could work: PROJECT ORION! Ride to space on NUKE EXPLOSIONS!

    @manowartank8784@manowartank87845 жыл бұрын
    • now thats badass

      @olivierdols5556@olivierdols55565 жыл бұрын
    • Only for chuck norris to use

      @iciclefox9901@iciclefox99015 жыл бұрын
    • we can and we should!!!!!!,!

      @cedriceric9730@cedriceric97305 жыл бұрын
    • Instead of having to trow away your plane after every flight you have to trow away the planet after each flight? Way to go! xD

      @urielvogt8141@urielvogt81414 жыл бұрын
    • technically that would be a multiple stage rocket cos of the seperate explosions, but it's still better than the ones we use today XD

      @ethancotton1549@ethancotton15494 жыл бұрын
  • Tim - yes, do a video on Skylon. Love that concept.

    @MrAluntus@MrAluntus5 жыл бұрын
    • I always think the engines look like chocolate dipped bananas.

      @doggonemess1@doggonemess14 жыл бұрын
    • It's a scam. It's smoke and mirrors to soak investors dry.

      @mikedrop4421@mikedrop44214 жыл бұрын
    • Really? Or is it just your romantic love for Musk talking?

      @dubistverrueckt@dubistverrueckt4 жыл бұрын
    • @@mikedrop4421 The most vital component, the precooler, was recently tested successfully.

      @5000mahmud@5000mahmud3 жыл бұрын
    • @@mikedrop4421 Actually in the full rich creaminess of TIME that will be what Elon's bulltwiggery is all about, re-doing 1969.

      @Veldtian1@Veldtian13 жыл бұрын
  • The Roton bears a marked resemblance to the DC-X. This is of course, because a bunch of the DC-X engineers went on to found the Rotary Rocket company. By the end, they had given up on using the rotor on takeoff, it would have been used only for aerobraking, and auto-rotation on the way down. After Rotary folded, most of those guys went over to X-COR. Some other DC-X guys went over to Pioneer Rocketplane, which was planning to do in-flight refueling at 50,000 ft like a USAF bomber. None of these schemes promised large payloads though. It was probably a coin flip if the DC-1 would have had a positive payload to LEO. They were chasing reusability, fast turnaround, and could have been very competitive for small scientific payloads. (Falcon 1 class payloads). But most important would be learning how to operate these vehicles.

    @Rocketsong@Rocketsong3 жыл бұрын
  • Matt Lowne: hold my Whisky

    @spaceants1943@spaceants19433 жыл бұрын
  • *posts this on a ksp discord server* *several people are typing*

    @cebi3103@cebi31035 жыл бұрын
  • uses Kerbal Space Program to make an argument about SSTOs - half an hour later - "Spare me your Kerbal SSTO designs - 'It works in Kerbal Space Program' is not a real argument"

    @thulyblu5486@thulyblu54866 жыл бұрын
    • +Thulyblu That's because a lot of the designs might not be possible to build in real life. They would be structurally unsound, or unreasonably heavy. Or alternatively, they don't work in Realism Overhaul. KSP is amazingly realistic in a lot of ways, but that's kinda only by video game standards. It's far from perfect, and a lot of things that are possible in real life are impossible in KSP, and vice versa. It's amazing for teaching the basics of orbital mechanics on an intuitive level, though.

      @theuncalledfor@theuncalledfor6 жыл бұрын
    • The best Kerbal SSTO designs are basically like the skylon plane. They fly first like a supersonic jet and then like a rocket.

      @mikicerise6250@mikicerise62506 жыл бұрын
    • IIRC SSTO rockets/planes are not really feasible in KSP with Realism Overhaul. However, in the stock game it’s relatively easy to have SSTO rockets and planes.

      @Mike-oz4cv@Mike-oz4cv6 жыл бұрын
    • Michael K Yeah Scott Manley explains it best in Galileo Conquest when he notes how the SR-71's Mach 3 speed is actually a good percentage of the way to orbital speed on Kerbin. Kerbin when you compare the sizes is actually smaller than even our moon by a drastic amount, so of course it would not scale to Earth's standards.

      @TheGreyhoundGames@TheGreyhoundGames5 жыл бұрын
    • every tool has its uses. things it can do and things it cant. Showing the result of the rocket equation? KSP is the right tool. Explaining the difficulties and years of research needed to actually build a super complicated design? Not the right tool. Just because a screwdriver cant solder your wires doesnt mean you should discount its ability to attach screws.

      @TheVergile@TheVergile5 жыл бұрын
  • I've been watching all your videos since before this time, but these days it's still really weird to go back and see you in the orange suit! I'm glad you outgrew it. Still, this video is worth a re-watch. Keep up the good work!

    @thirteenthandy@thirteenthandy3 жыл бұрын
  • If I remember correctly though, there was a simple version of the moon program but they opted for the complex model because they liked it more. The idea was that a simple program has very few high risk events, where as the complex model spreads the risk over many events that can be dealt with at a lower risk basis.

    @WilliamAshleyOnline@WilliamAshleyOnline2 жыл бұрын
  • that Rotary Rocket is just hilarious. I worked in Mojave last summer and saw the thing everyday since it's on display there

    @mattwehner@mattwehner6 жыл бұрын
    • how cool would it have been to watch it go those test pilots must have had balls of steal :)

      @bremdamiller3629@bremdamiller36296 жыл бұрын
    • I would have to imagine the gyroscopic forces from the rotary blade must take it's toll. Frankly, helicopters in general might as well be the mutant hybrid between an aeroplane and a blimp zeppelin.

      @1224chrisng@1224chrisng6 жыл бұрын
  • Basically aerospike designs didn't cross over because the space race died, lockheed lost the contract, and the cost of rocket fuel is the least expensive component of the whole operation (and a superior engine design just saves lot on the fuel, ultimately). So basically, there is absolutely 0 market incentive to create superior options, more likely a financial hazard to even attempt. May as well just put all the investors money in the fuel tank

    @JayLeePoe@JayLeePoe5 жыл бұрын
    • Granted, the fuel itself is cheap but the hardware to lift that fuel is where the expense is, so it is only logical that by reducing the amount of fuel you need to lift by utilizing multiple stages, reusing part or all of the booster and increasing engine efficiency result in substantial cost savings. And that is why for now, multi-stage rockets give the best bang for the buck.

      @MichaelClark-uw7ex@MichaelClark-uw7ex5 жыл бұрын
  • I freakin LOVE staging! Both visually and principally awesome to shed the spent stage!

    @Bizzon666@Bizzon6662 жыл бұрын
  • Just discovered this wonderful channel and subscribed. At 27:15 it was reported that the SR-71 expanded 60 cm (!) at top speed. The CTE of titanium is about 8.5 x 10^-6 per degree C, and the delta T in the 300-400 degree C range would put the expansion much lower than 60 cm for the ~33 m long plane.

    @ooppiiee@ooppiiee3 жыл бұрын
  • Thanks for the long video! Could you do more like this?

    @flynnbryant2589@flynnbryant25896 жыл бұрын
    • agree. But now I'm "late" for work

      @pjvanvliet3129@pjvanvliet31296 жыл бұрын
  • Don't mean to be rude but there is a SSTO project that should work very well ! However, for mysterious reasons, nuclear explosions in all layers of the atmosphere is quite unpopular... Yes I am looking at you Project Orion !

    @Ogma21@Ogma216 жыл бұрын
    • out in space is ok, but on escape trajectories, and very high orbits. otherwise, you will destroy the electric grid across entire continents with the EMP(see the starfish prime effects).

      @thedroplett214@thedroplett2146 жыл бұрын
    • EMPs actually wouldn't be a problem as long as you're ~270 km away from the area. The nukes are in the kiloton range or less, much smaller than what they need to be to cause large scale power outages. A bigger problem would be fallout from the launchpad, which afaik can be largely countered using a graphite pad I believe, and that if you launch somewhere remote enough, the nuclear material from the bombs should dissipate enough to be a minor cleanup (At least where nuclear energy is concerned). Really, the biggest problems are political, societal, and the fact you're essentially banging your head on a desk. thousands of times. Pulse propulsion in the form of using high powered lasers to fuse/fission deuterium/uranium pellets would be superior, but could only be used in space.

      @davidk1308@davidk13085 жыл бұрын
    • Ogma 21 lmao, but you are quite right.

      @nguyentrinhquanganh1494@nguyentrinhquanganh14945 жыл бұрын
    • I mean, why would that be bad? Detonating 70 nuclear bombs in the span of 10 minutes? How could anyone _not_ love that idea?!

      @alt8791@alt87914 жыл бұрын
  • Tim: I think SSTOs SuCK Matt lowne: We need to talk Me: oh dang he screwed

    @vanguard3844@vanguard38444 жыл бұрын
  • Hi Tim. Really interesting video. Could you do a more in depth video on the subject of Skylon. Thanks very much and please keep up the good work. John

    @scottishtargetshooter6664@scottishtargetshooter66643 жыл бұрын
  • SSTO makes more sense on Mars to be honest.

    @tenshi7angel@tenshi7angel5 жыл бұрын
    • There's no reason why we'd have to stick to the same strategy on different levels.

      @knownas2017@knownas20174 жыл бұрын
    • tenshi7angel that’s the plan for starship it’s gonna use the superheavy booster to get of earth but when it’s on mars it will we full SSTO

      @theenjeneer2493@theenjeneer24934 жыл бұрын
    • Mars will need a runway! :P

      @JamesIsbellUK@JamesIsbellUK4 жыл бұрын
    • MEs61 The atmosphere is thinner

      @GamingCentral80@GamingCentral804 жыл бұрын
    • Joe Marley and less pull from gravity

      @borisbuliak3626@borisbuliak36264 жыл бұрын
  • HEH...working at LEGO and actually working on the Apollo model makes me proud seeing U having and using it in exchange for entertainment and knowledge Im getting back from this channel !!! Thanks Tim !

    @martintomes2296@martintomes22966 жыл бұрын
    • I also have one and I must say: amazing work. My only complaint are that the engine bulges and fins at the back of the rocket aren't as realistic as I would like, but otherwise: perfect. Had a blast building it (it's huuuge).

      @RedPuma90@RedPuma906 жыл бұрын
  • IDK why but the awesome SABRE jet/rocket engines remind me of the KSP RAPIER engines. they operate similarly in the way they are used.

    @somestarman892@somestarman8922 жыл бұрын
  • Despite their (cargo) limitations, SSTOs could be useful for specialty missions, like when they used the shuttle to repair/upgrade the Hubble telescope. Or to send crew to something that was sent up prior by other (heavy lift) rockets and been assembled by robots to reduce risky EVAs

    @KOZMOuvBORG@KOZMOuvBORG3 жыл бұрын
    • both thease usecases reqires big reusable rockets, but not necessray SSTO. For example, somethink like SS/SH will work.

      @adamrezabek9469@adamrezabek94693 жыл бұрын
  • I thoroughly enjoyed this video. I discovered this channel looking for info about spacex and im so glad I did. Oh and I really like the longer videos, please keep it that way!!!

    @GordonFreeman.@GordonFreeman.6 жыл бұрын
    • SpaceX are holy!! (SpaceX, you are my everything too)

      @elonmuskfanpage4006@elonmuskfanpage40065 жыл бұрын
  • Dude! Bummer! I hope the crew survived. That was the worst Saturn 5 disaster I ever saw!

    @fraserhenderson7839@fraserhenderson78396 жыл бұрын
    • Fraser Henderson thatd be a manually triggered (the autoabort having been disabled for staging) abort just at the end.of LES (the little tower ontop of the capsule) capability. Survivable but not fun.

      @g2g591@g2g5916 жыл бұрын
  • Love your channel very educational 👍👍👍

    @MarshallMK@MarshallMK3 жыл бұрын
  • i remember when this came out been watchin awhile man you have came far since lol

    @poormantravelers311@poormantravelers3113 жыл бұрын
  • I'm still so sad about VentureStar. Those aerospike engines are so cool

    @dapeach06@dapeach066 жыл бұрын
    • Muad'dib2288 I agree I think the failure of the project was primarily due to mismanagement. If I remember correctly it was the inability to manufacture a composite liquid oxygen tank that halted the program. I think this was done prematurely.

      @herbertkeithmiller@herbertkeithmiller6 жыл бұрын
    • No, the failure of the project was due to the budget cuts by Bush. Had to cut money from NASA so he could get us into another useless war. If NASA got 1/10th the budget the military got we would have had SSTO by 2010.

      @ifandbut@ifandbut6 жыл бұрын
    • indeed... and the nasa management killed it as well, they were doing well with the aluminium tanks check curious droid vid on it =) kzhead.info/sun/rcmHqdiFbnyajJE/bejne.html

      @rudamachoo@rudamachoo6 жыл бұрын
    • I saw that .. previously .. just wondered why don't some "billionaire" use all that almost completed tech and finish it off and get it going...

      @tobifoong8025@tobifoong80255 жыл бұрын
  • Awsome!!! 34 minutes of Everyday Astronaut

    @keanumack3944@keanumack39446 жыл бұрын
  • Typo in your title "Maybes" unless you meant to say it that way. Awesome videos. Subbed.

    @weebgrinder@weebgrinder2 жыл бұрын
  • I want to know the history of this man's spacesuit. Did he make it? Did he get it from surplus cosmonauts? So neat!

    @PamSesheta@PamSesheta Жыл бұрын
  • “I will destroy that holy grail” *proceeds to elaborate on what makes SSTOs a holy grail* Yes it’s difficult to do well that’s the point; to cleverly engineer around the circumstances which preclude their development.

    @loremipsum7873@loremipsum78734 жыл бұрын
    • @Det Nine Yes the point of a holy grail is that it is difficult to obtain.

      @loremipsum7873@loremipsum78734 жыл бұрын
    • @@loremipsum7873 The point of a holy grail is that it is useful. Difficult sure, but the usefulness is far more important. Engineering is about making the right compromises to get what you need to do done as well as possible, whatever that means. It just so happens that developing an SSTO compromises a lot for vary little. A full flow engine like what SpaceX is working on is considered a holy grail, not simply because it is difficult, but because it has clear advantages and the math is behind it.

      @meckhardt2112@meckhardt21124 жыл бұрын
    • It gets a whole lot harder when earth isnt the size of kerbin. Even if you manage to pull it off you will lose a lot of payload capacity.

      @haraldhimmel5687@haraldhimmel56873 жыл бұрын
    • @Det Nine No they're not, look at the Soviet Shuttle program, genius and proven far superior to the US one yet allowed to die.

      @Veldtian1@Veldtian13 жыл бұрын
    • @@Veldtian1 In case you didn't know, they were throwing away an entire non-reusable superheavy rocket (Energia) to put that shuttle into orbit. And it only flew once and never delivered any payload. Fail to see how it was "proven" to be superior to anything.

      @AldorEricsson@AldorEricsson2 жыл бұрын
  • Man, the rotary rocket. That was a crazy concept. It was great knowing some of the people who worked on that project, they really inspired my choice to get into engineering.

    @captt2779@captt27794 жыл бұрын
  • Even if we never see skylon - the first stage of engine testing has already been completed and that test facility you mentioned is for the second phase of testing. In other words - we may not see the proposed SSTO, but the engines are there and good to go

    @fattyMcGee97@fattyMcGee97 Жыл бұрын
  • Hey Tim, are those rocket models handmade or you buy from anywhere? If it's a product, can you show me where can we find it?

    @starcatcherksp1517@starcatcherksp15173 жыл бұрын
  • Yes talk more about skylon!

    @seasong7655@seasong76556 жыл бұрын
    • Yes! That looks like a good video :)

      @BenVeenstra@BenVeenstra6 жыл бұрын
    • Yeah please

      @erm482@erm4826 жыл бұрын
    • For sure the S.A.B.R.E engine is really interesting and is much more imminent than the Skylon spaceplane. Plenty of non orbital vehicles could employ the technology.

      @DisorderedArray@DisorderedArray6 жыл бұрын
    • There's one other downside to skylon that he didn't mention. Ultimately its goal was to make space launches reusable and therefore cheaper, but it seems SpaceX beat them to the punch already. SpaceX's hover mechanic will also be much better tested and reliable by the time Skylon gets off the ground. As cool as Skylon is I think SpaceX is the way to go. At least until space elevators.

      @JM-us3fr@JM-us3fr6 жыл бұрын
    • I too would love to see more about Skylon. It's a really awesome vehicle concept and could make space seriously affordable, reliable and even more comfortable with its relatively leisurely ascent profile.

      @starlight2098@starlight20986 жыл бұрын
  • You did an excellent job on this one Tim! I feel like you disproved every doubt possible on the topic of SSTOs which is no small feat. Also, don't worry about the length of the videos you make, Your community is behind you no matter what. You should use as much time as you need in order to completely explain the topic at hand.

    @zacheryheppner5129@zacheryheppner51296 жыл бұрын
  • Great video ! The Delta Clipper was tested and flew in the rocket friendly state of New Mexico ! The fall back design of the SSTO was TSTO (Falcon 9) ! T. Lipinski

    @TimothyLipinski@TimothyLipinski8 ай бұрын
    • Also heard that the Saturn V rocket's second stage could reach LEO on its own ! T. Lipinski

      @TimothyLipinski@TimothyLipinski8 ай бұрын
  • "SSTOs suck" Every KSP player who made a solar system wide SSTO: *cries in rapiers* Also making an SSTO is a lot harder than just removing stages u ignoramus

    @sleepyboi2232@sleepyboi22324 жыл бұрын
    • ssto's don't suck in ksp you don't need to cry about it even tho he says it sucks it dosent change a thiing

      @tylerjones-davis6269@tylerjones-davis62694 жыл бұрын
    • When we get SABER's, this video will become irrelevant. Also, who makes an SSTO look like a conventional rocket? SSTO's are normally spaceplanes.

      @MechJeb42@MechJeb424 жыл бұрын
    • @@MechJeb42 thats true

      @tylerjones-davis6269@tylerjones-davis62694 жыл бұрын
    • @@MechJeb42 SSTO spaceplanes are only that feasible in KSP because orbital velocity is not much higher than the Mach regime in which RAPIERs work, so you can gain a substantial fraction of orbital velocity just using airbreathing. On Earth, even SABER engines top off at only 20% of orbital velocity, the rest has to be made up for with rocket thrust, and airbreathing methods that work at higher velocities are fraught with issues. Thus for Earth, it's much less obvious that a spaceplane is the way to go, especially since the craft is already going to heavily rely on rocket fuel anyway, and it's not immediately clear what benefit wings will add to such a launch system.

      @dsdy1205@dsdy12054 жыл бұрын
    • Why cant we just build a giant rail gun and just shoot our satellites into space.

      @ibraheemshuaib8954@ibraheemshuaib89543 жыл бұрын
  • I'm a little disappointed you didn't mention the SSTO that we could have built decades ago: Project Orion.

    @TacgnolSimulacrum@TacgnolSimulacrum6 жыл бұрын
    • If you don't mind nuking the launch site every time ;-)

      @jamesowens7176@jamesowens71765 жыл бұрын
    • James Owens you're being picky...

      @VincentRiquer@VincentRiquer5 жыл бұрын
    • A ship they wanted to build starting in the early '60s, would take off from Jackass Flats, Nevada (which was already nuked on a regular basis). It would go out the the moons of Saturn and drop off an exploration base and crew. Back to Mars orbit to drop another base, and back to Earth orbit with 1300 tons payload. A single stage. Freeman Dyson said he figured that the fallout from maybe a dozen such ships would add maybe 3% to what was already being blown into the atmosphere back then.

      @JFrazer4303@JFrazer43035 жыл бұрын
    • My thought too fantastic project that got killed of by politics and concern of some fallout.

      @Infernal_Elf@Infernal_Elf5 жыл бұрын
    • Project Orion required boosters to launch

      @legostarstorm@legostarstorm5 жыл бұрын
  • I think SSTO's that go straight up like a rocket are doomed to fail because of the tyranny of the rocket equation as you say. But for SSTO's like the Skylon there might be a shot. One major advantage in taking off horizontally is that the Thrust to Weight Ratio can be lower than 1 as the wings would provide lift. Also if using a combined cycle engine like the SABRE you can get alot of that deltaV for a relatively cheap amount of fuel as you're using the airbreathing part in the atmosphere and jet engines have WAY better ISP than rocket engines. There are stil major technological challenges with heat generation and functional combined cycle engines tho. I actually did a Skylon replica in KSP RO a while back. Granted the engines aren't similar, but the core idea is the same. kzhead.info/sun/ra6OadyFo6lvlHA/bejne.html (I actually have a fixed version with correct engines but I haven't been able to record it as I'm studying, guess what, aerospace engineering in the UK 🙂)

    @LazerCut@LazerCut6 жыл бұрын
  • Probably multi stage for the next 20 -50 years in my opinion but air breathing plasma jet engines , battery advancements and our increasing love for hybrid technology could see us using a single stage that uses no fuel until at the edge of the atmosphere where air is too thin then boosters kick in to get it that last of the ways there without the added air resistance or pressure. Maybe idk just a hopeful peep into the possible future

    @kierangrant8296@kierangrant82963 жыл бұрын
  • 10:40 XD the way the second stage just YEETS that ring into the first stage

    @QueueWithACapitalQ@QueueWithACapitalQ Жыл бұрын
  • Do a whole video on Skylon? Yes, please! I'm a huge fan of Reaction Engines. I know that you didn't have the space in this video to discuss the pre-cooler, but to this armchair enthusiast the pre-cooler is THE technology that will allow a continuous transition from subsonic to hypersonic to orbital velocity. As for air-frame cooling, I think I heard former CEO Alan Bond say that Skylon's skin would be actively cooled. I can't remember the exact quote, otherwise I'd post it here. I must admit that Reaction Engines' progress has been excruciatingly slow, but some characteristically idiotic actions taken by the British Government in the 1980s really didn't help. (I don't know why, but ever since the end of WWII British governments have been steadfastly hell-bent on squashing any hint of British innovation in aviation. But I digress...)

    @Squodgamullis@Squodgamullis5 жыл бұрын
    • If you're looking for a material that can handle high heats, look up Ceramic Matrix Composites. They are being used in current-gen jet engines. They are a third the weight of nickel super-alloys, AND can handle 500 degrees F more heat. Jet engines are using it more and more... the only limiting factor is it's quite expensive. So it's hard to say if they'd want to build a whole plane's exterior surface out of it.

      @dannyb9223@dannyb92234 жыл бұрын
    • Skylon would have been great in the 80s/90s, but now Starship has rendered it essentially irrelevant.

      @ryandempsey4830@ryandempsey48304 жыл бұрын
    • Care to explain your groundless pro-Musk cheer leading?

      @dubistverrueckt@dubistverrueckt4 жыл бұрын
    • @@ryandempsey4830 Starship still needs 6 refuelling in LEO before proceeding to Mars or Moon. So how is it better than any of current rockets?

      @PArabinddeep@PArabinddeep4 жыл бұрын
    • Yes please do a video on Skyline, its all about the air cooler technology which Alan Bond & Co have now broken through....cooling 1,000degC heat in milli seconds

      @terryjagers4671@terryjagers46713 жыл бұрын
  • The most famous Ssto AND also the most famous rocket in history is the Moon rocket from "Tintin destination Moon" not because it's real, but because it was so inspiring.

    @aaalllooozzz9116@aaalllooozzz91166 жыл бұрын
    • That used a chemical engine for atmospheric ascent and then a nuclear engine in space, didn't it? So it was a single stage, but captured the idea of using different engines in the atmosphere and in space...

      @patrikj@patrikj5 жыл бұрын
    • @@patrikj Plus the nuke made a small acceleration deceleration that applied a force in the spacefraft equivalent to gravity.

      @quoniam426@quoniam4265 жыл бұрын
    • @@patrikj IF I remember it correctly.... It was nuke all the way. Actually listened to a book form of it yesterday when I was driving because of my kid

      @matsv201@matsv2015 жыл бұрын
  • This may be a really stupid question but is there any consideration for getting rid of the first stage in favor of something like an electromagnetic launch system? My guess is that it is impractical but figured it was worth the ask...

    @tonyperotti9212@tonyperotti92123 жыл бұрын
  • Hey Tim where do you buy your cool rocket models you have like your Saturn V or Falcon 9 etc?

    @andrewreynolds912@andrewreynolds912 Жыл бұрын
  • Let's get rid of the atmosphere and gravity of Earth. You can't? Looks like we'll stick to #teammultistage

    @mayankshrivastava3554@mayankshrivastava35546 жыл бұрын
    • We can get rid of the atmosphere if we put our best people on it. Where's the new director of NASA, I have a proposal to make SSTO's great again!

      @davemanmartin@davemanmartin6 жыл бұрын
    • But... if there isn't any atmosphere why not create a large stationary facility using electromagnetic accelerators? I mean... SSTOs are cool, but what about using no stages? Yes, I realize you'd still need an OMS.

      @wojtek4p4@wojtek4p46 жыл бұрын
    • It can be done. Edit config files

      @mraagh8779@mraagh87796 жыл бұрын
    • What about the spaceplane ssto design that partially uses lift generated by the wings, air breathing and rocket fuel engines, and horizontal velocity to get into orbit

      @dumbeh@dumbeh5 жыл бұрын
  • Even though I love SSTO's, I still love you Tim. Of course, I only love them in vanilla KSP ;=;

    @thealover@thealover6 жыл бұрын
    • RCS Build Aid and Kerbal Engineer Redux are great should-be-vanilla mods. They show you where your COM should be when you've used up all your fuel and how RCS will balance (RCSBA), and show you stats like mass, resources, and thrust to weight ratio as well as adding a customizable instrument panel (KER)

      @Fireheart318@Fireheart3186 жыл бұрын
  • Question: if u start your launch @ 10 miles of altitude, OR, start your initial lift burn already at a modest speed of say 900mph - 1200 mph... does iether, or both of these changes give any significant advantage over sea level stationary rocket luanches? I ask because it seems the last SSTO concept u highlighted, with the hybrid engines is banking on this idea.

    @rtlarkin@rtlarkin4 жыл бұрын
  • Hey man. I just discovered your channel and I'm already a big fan. What do you think of the idea of a first stage with wings, which would simply use lift to get to 10-15km *and*then* release a single or double stage rocket which wouldn't need to deal with that pesky sea-level air pressure? It would be a plane, perhaps not dissimilar to an A380 or an An-225.... Alternatively, what the hell, let's just build a railway to 7000m altitude in the Himalayas and simply build the launch pad there. It wouldn't get more reusable than that :)

    @pashadia@pashadia3 жыл бұрын
  • i was so looking forward to this! love the 33 min video! also a big thank you for not portraying russia in a bad way in your videos :D

    @MrKokva@MrKokva6 жыл бұрын
    • When talking about space exploration its pretty hard to shit on russia, they've been the backbone of even the americans getting to space lol.

      @sickbailey21@sickbailey216 жыл бұрын
    • Agree!

      @IllumTheMessage@IllumTheMessage6 жыл бұрын
    • irk good boi

      @tony_5156@tony_51565 жыл бұрын
  • It's midnight I'm in my bed, I see a 30min long brand new vidéo of Tim, I click

    @bjooo@bjooo6 жыл бұрын
    • bjooo same situation here

      @kerbonautics5217@kerbonautics52176 жыл бұрын
    • Same bro

      @jujuyee2534@jujuyee25346 жыл бұрын
  • Where did you get that Dragon/Falcon model at time index 7:25 ? I would LOVE to have something like that.

    @wilboersma9441@wilboersma94413 жыл бұрын
  • one thing you missed, most functional ssto vehicles in ksp have more than one type of engine, and switch to more appropriate ones based on the conditions as the flight goes on, which is the smart thing to do instead of adding more fuel or more identical engines. that being said, as it breaks down, an ssto is still less efficient than a multi stage craft, because assuming you break it down and remove the variables by giving both the same engines, and activating them at the same altitude, and assuming every stage is reusable and not factoring in maintenance costs, the staged vehicle is more efficient because it doesnt have to carry the extra dry weight of the previously used engines and the fuel tanks that supplied them.

    @Kataclysm113@Kataclysm1134 жыл бұрын
  • Kerbal space program still loves SSTOs

    @justanotherintrovert1012@justanotherintrovert10126 жыл бұрын
  • Unlike the SR-71, Skylon's tankage is separate from it's skin. A framework of struts holds the skin outside, and the fuel tanks are able to freely move over the inner surface as the skin and struts expand. They thought of that.

    @stainlesssteelfox1@stainlesssteelfox16 жыл бұрын
    • I think his point was that there's always some unforeseen difficulty, and he worries that the same will haplen to the Skylon. Hopefully not, though!

      @wardedthorn6523@wardedthorn65235 жыл бұрын
    • Or why not use the heat to pump fuel? Letting liquid hydrogen out to a skin-layer tank where it evaporates and expands to be preassurized by the heat, and then go into the engine with no extra pumping, and at the same time the constant hydrogen evaporation and expantion in the skin-tank will keep the skin temperature in check.

      @titter3648@titter36485 жыл бұрын
    • @@titter3648 They're already using the liquid hydrogen to chill the incoming air via a helium intermediate cooling loop. It's already being heated up by that.

      @stainlesssteelfox1@stainlesssteelfox15 жыл бұрын
  • I'm still salty about the VentureStar.

    @renard6012@renard60123 жыл бұрын
  • Man when you dropped that giant Saturn V model on start I felt pain, it was hard to build, full day for me

    @blueengineer7019@blueengineer7019 Жыл бұрын
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