This video is geared towards 1-handers and talks about how to get the right fit and feel for the thumb, and how you should be using it. If you are a 2-hander, you can skip to Part 2: • The THUMB Part 2 - BOT...
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Finally someone made a video about this!
@SoCalGamblerАй бұрын
Thank you. Been preaching this to our high school kids for years but never hear anyone else talk about it. They talk about what NOT to do (grabbing it), but not so much what to do. Thank you for watching and for the comment.
@baldbrothersbowlingАй бұрын
Damn! Pulling Back with the Thumb!! I've been trying to do CURLS just like you said! No Wonder it's not working!! Thanks a million for this!!
@darrenthedude1Ай бұрын
Absolutely. The ball SHOULD feel a bit lighter, thus easier to manipulate the way you want. Takes practice and getting used to, but it works. Glad we could be some help, and good luck!
@baldbrothersbowlingАй бұрын
I have watch so many different videos on this! You just made it a hell of a lot easier the way you explain it, I have a problem with gripper the ball and my thumb knuckle was hurting,so after watching this several times I added a little more tape in the thumb back and front of the hole and I found that releasing the ball was a lot better and didn’t find myself gripping it at all and the thumb came right out, also I bowled so much better with a better release! Thanks! Great video so is part 2!
@philliplagreco6453Ай бұрын
Thank you. I am glad this worked for you.
@baldbrothersbowlingАй бұрын
Thanks for this video! Been searching for a specific topic and this one is bang on! Subscribed!
@timothya.2920Ай бұрын
Thank you for subscribing and for watching. Glad it is hitting home for some.
@baldbrothersbowlingАй бұрын
New subscriber here. I used to have 2 to 3 pieces of thumb tape in my balls. After using your technique I had to add 3 more pieces to the thumb and was able to clear it easily. Thanks a million.
@jimmyscott6159Ай бұрын
That's awesome. So glad we could help.
@baldbrothersbowlingАй бұрын
Thank you so much for this informative video👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@aalkhoori1Ай бұрын
Holy chit what a huge difference!!! This is awesome. This along with relaxed wrist and arm it is easy to to the "yoyo" Now to make some molds instead of just drilling a hole to get a better fit. Using my couch to test this out o can not wait to get to the alley. I am consistently doing everything wrong i see. I hope you have other vidoes. New to channel. Im excited to learn more. Thank you for this video
@StephRenee81221 күн бұрын
We have several videos, and more to come. Appreciate you watching.
@baldbrothersbowling21 күн бұрын
A hero! I just recently switched from conventional to fingertip grip but I never knew how much thumb affected grip and release. I only used it to aim
@allenhale2316Ай бұрын
Thank you for watching and for the comment.
@baldbrothersbowlingАй бұрын
Wow, amazing instruction! I will work on this, it's been a huge issue for me.
@frankschmidt8001Ай бұрын
Thank you so much! I just bought my first ball last week and constantly struggle with pinching my thumb. I have been looking for videos on exactly this.
@SethRaginАй бұрын
Thank you for watching. Hope you find this helpful.
@baldbrothersbowlingАй бұрын
THank you
@ninety9million928Ай бұрын
Very well explained…. Looking forward to trying this approach, usually I think of pressing the thumb nail back..
@amarucb4Ай бұрын
Thank you.
@baldbrothersbowlingАй бұрын
Great video, will try pulling thumb back to get under ball instead of trying to curl it.
@akoni53Ай бұрын
Thank you. Give me an update on how it goes. I am always interested to hear the results.
@baldbrothersbowlingАй бұрын
I'll be trying this as well.
@mariansowinski8967Ай бұрын
What about a video on finger tension using index and pinky
@fullcircledojangАй бұрын
Sounds good. The pinky won't have much tension as some even tuck it, but I can talk about pros and cons of fixing it, and tension on index finger. Thanks for the idea.
@baldbrothersbowlingАй бұрын
Great video. No one has ever addressed thumb dynamics this well. But I guess I don't understand what you mean by "pulling back with the thumb" in order to flatten the wrist. Wouldn't this cause the thumb to release early?
@elbowloloco7499Ай бұрын
In the first part of the video, you need to make sure the fit is right and that you are hinging where the thumb meets the hand, not at the middle knuckle. If you do this and the fit is right, and you can pick up the ball with the thumb only like I show early, then the ball only comes off the thumb when you relax it. This is why I can swing the ball with just my thumb in the ball. So when you pull it back, you are pressing in with the thumb, and the ball won't release. You will get that cup and be able to swing your arm with the ball staying in your hand. As you start the down swing and start to rotate your thumb, that is when you will relax the thumb to let the ball start to come off your hand at the right time, and at the same time, lift with your fingers. I hope that makes sense.
@baldbrothersbowlingАй бұрын
I use a glove the one that mike strogger use on tour any help with that please.
@williemorrison5006Ай бұрын
I assume there is no thumb in the glove. If not, the fit lesson is the same. The only change is that if it is a brace and has a firm backing to hold your wrist, you won't be able to uncup at the release. You will stay in a cupped or neutral position the whole way. With these, it is important to not roll your hand over. These gloves help get revs for those with a weaker wrist who need a little help, but will limit your ability to get a ton of revs, which is okay. Usually players who require these braces I suggest trying to keep your hand at about 45 degrees, not behind or beside the ball. You still want to use a flat thumb to hold the ball, and relax the thumb and strengthen the fingers right at release to get the ball to roll off the hand. If your hand is positioned at 45 degrees or so, it should have correct ball roll. You can increase revs a little even with a brace by going from behind the ball and rotating to 45, but don't roll it over. Watch Shannon Okeefe videos. She uses a brace and does this better than anyone. Note that if you use a brace for support, you MIGHT NOT be using the thumb to pull back and cup the wrist. I would suggest trying that to see if it eliminates the need for the brace, but if you need the brace, then follow above. I hope this helps.
@baldbrothersbowlingАй бұрын
Question is 45 degrees is about 11oclock when your thumb exit
@williemorrison500629 күн бұрын
@@williemorrison5006about. If 12 o'clock is forward and 9 is 90 degrees, 10:30 would be 45. So anywhere from 10 to 11 o'clock is good.
@baldbrothersbowling29 күн бұрын
When pulling back with the thumb do you do that in conjunction with the fingers. Appreciate you good stuff
@pcolesjrАй бұрын
I’m sorry there was a question in there. Just clarifying.
@pcolesjrАй бұрын
Great question. The fingers act as a stop when you press your thumb inward in the ball, and they act as a pivot point when you pull back to cup your wrist. You aren't really pressing your fingers any harder than just keeping the ball still. For me, personally, the finger holes can be large. Some like a snug fit there also (and many use the vacu-grips), but I really just want the bottom of the finger holes to be a ledge for my finger to rest on. I want my fingers somewhat loose thru the whole swing until you release the thumb and lift with your fingers. When you pull back to cup your wrist, you are still pressing the base of your thumb on the inside of the ball, so the fingers are really just there to keep the ball from rotating. You don't really want to lift with the fingers or put much pressure on the fingers at this point. That gets you back into a "squeeze." I like to put my thumb in and set up. Then, I wiggle my fingers to promote a "loose" feel, and I want the majority of the pressure to be on the thumb. The main goal is to have the ball feel lighter because of the good fit. If you "curl" using your hand and fingers, you can feel how heavy the ball is. Work on pulling the thumb back and adjusting the feel of your fingers until you feel like the ball feels lighter and easy to maneuver. Another way to think about the pressure you use, I like to think of it as "strong thumb, loose fingers" thru most of the swing, and then as you start the release, you swap that to "Loose thumb, strong fingers." Going from strong thumb to loose is going from holding onto the ball to releasing the ball. Going from loose fingers to strong fingers is going from relaxed swing to lifting with power and creating revs. I know this might be confusing as it's hard to explain by text, but hopefully you get enough out of this to help you out. Let me know how that goes or if you need further clarification.
@baldbrothersbowlingАй бұрын
Please don’t misinterpret my question. My bowling release is terrible this is the best information I’ve received since taking up this game a year ago. I was just wondering on the fingers thank you thank you best gomer Pyle impression.
@pcolesjrАй бұрын
@@pcolesjr Absolutely always here to help. I love putting out these videos because we get questions from all levels, and we love helping anyone improve their game. I hope this leads to some success for you.
@baldbrothersbowlingАй бұрын
Im back. Now to know where fonger holes should be drilled. Should the center of thumb and the center of ring fonger and middle finger be lined up or would that be off and poont beside my thumb. Im still not sure where the ball should be sitting most of the weight of the ball? I know my thumb if not tigjt it bends all crazy very flexible. I hope thats understandable. Hard to explain when im not a full year into bowling with a fitted ball and really getting into it. Im so determined east sleep repeat with bowling. I csnt stop until i can fully understand everything. Yes im MADD as the hatter😂😂
@StephRenee81221 күн бұрын
Thanks for the comments. On the location of the holes, usually the pro shop will draw a center line, and the thumb is centered on the line, and the line splits the fingers. However, I think it depends on thumb flexibility. If you look at the palm of your hand, your thumb is not directly below those two fingers. With a traditional layout, the base of your palm will be off the ball. I don't like this, and I have arthritis and needed to figure out how to get it more in my palm. My pro shop draws the center line, but then offsets my thumb hole. Additionally, because my thumb is not flexible, I have a lot of left pitch. This all puts the ball more in my palm. This isn't normal, but I think way more people should try it. I hope this all makes sense.
@baldbrothersbowling21 күн бұрын
I just recently discussed this with one of my leaguemates, whose thumb hole was way too big. I told him the ball will actually feel lighter if his thumb fit is correct, because he'll be able to hang onto it with much less grip pressure, and a tighter thumbhole will make his thumb exit QUICKER because he's not clawing it. Also, is that a Sarge Easter grip on that light blue Hammer? You don't see that very often!
@die7foxАй бұрын
YES! It's amazing how much of a difference that feel in the thumb makes. It can really relax the hand and gain power. And YES, it's not only Sarge Easter, but what we call Nanu Nanu Sarge Easter (meaning the ring finger is not only conventional, it's also spread away from the middle finger a little like the Mork & Mindy Nanu Nanu handshake). In addition to all that, my thumb is shifted left and has quite a left pitch. All of this was done thru experimentation with my PSO to help alleviate arthritis pain in my index finger. I have arthritis in my wrist also, but the index finger was unbearable, and with the "V" created from the middle finger to the index finger, too much weight was distributed to the index finger causing pain. All of these changes together help set the ball more into my palm, and redistribute the weight more between the middle finger and the ring finger. It has almost completely removed the pain in that finger, and I don't feel like I've lost ANYTHING in my power or rev rate, so well worth it. I'll probably do a video on that at some point. Thanks for watching!
@baldbrothersbowlingАй бұрын
I hate the feel of all the slugs. I just drilled a ball the thumb the size a rubber grip put thumb in rubber grip and incerted in ball. And i love the feel way better. Would that be a bad idea to use?
@StephRenee81221 күн бұрын
Don't think I have seen anyone use an external thumb grip. I have seen some use a glove with a thumb. As long as you can get a consistent release and the grip doesn't come flying off, I suppose that would be okay. I also find that I prefer the feel of tape, so prefer a larger thumb hole, and then insert tape to get right fit and feel.
@baldbrothersbowling21 күн бұрын
Are you using a sarge grip
@user-lm5jt1hq3dАй бұрын
I am. It's actually what we call the Nanu Nanu Sarge. I have arthritis in my index finger and the standard grip was painful. Too much weight on that finger. My PSO and I did a lot of experimentation and found that separating the middle finger and ring shifts a little weight away from index towards the ring. The Sarge plus shifting my thumb left with a lot of left pitch also shifts the weight into my palm more. All of this has alleviated the arthritis pain.
Finally someone made a video about this!
Thank you. Been preaching this to our high school kids for years but never hear anyone else talk about it. They talk about what NOT to do (grabbing it), but not so much what to do. Thank you for watching and for the comment.
Damn! Pulling Back with the Thumb!! I've been trying to do CURLS just like you said! No Wonder it's not working!! Thanks a million for this!!
Absolutely. The ball SHOULD feel a bit lighter, thus easier to manipulate the way you want. Takes practice and getting used to, but it works. Glad we could be some help, and good luck!
I have watch so many different videos on this! You just made it a hell of a lot easier the way you explain it, I have a problem with gripper the ball and my thumb knuckle was hurting,so after watching this several times I added a little more tape in the thumb back and front of the hole and I found that releasing the ball was a lot better and didn’t find myself gripping it at all and the thumb came right out, also I bowled so much better with a better release! Thanks! Great video so is part 2!
Thank you. I am glad this worked for you.
Thanks for this video! Been searching for a specific topic and this one is bang on! Subscribed!
Thank you for subscribing and for watching. Glad it is hitting home for some.
New subscriber here. I used to have 2 to 3 pieces of thumb tape in my balls. After using your technique I had to add 3 more pieces to the thumb and was able to clear it easily. Thanks a million.
That's awesome. So glad we could help.
Thank you so much for this informative video👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Holy chit what a huge difference!!! This is awesome. This along with relaxed wrist and arm it is easy to to the "yoyo" Now to make some molds instead of just drilling a hole to get a better fit. Using my couch to test this out o can not wait to get to the alley. I am consistently doing everything wrong i see. I hope you have other vidoes. New to channel. Im excited to learn more. Thank you for this video
We have several videos, and more to come. Appreciate you watching.
A hero! I just recently switched from conventional to fingertip grip but I never knew how much thumb affected grip and release. I only used it to aim
Thank you for watching and for the comment.
Wow, amazing instruction! I will work on this, it's been a huge issue for me.
Thank you so much! I just bought my first ball last week and constantly struggle with pinching my thumb. I have been looking for videos on exactly this.
Thank you for watching. Hope you find this helpful.
THank you
Very well explained…. Looking forward to trying this approach, usually I think of pressing the thumb nail back..
Thank you.
Great video, will try pulling thumb back to get under ball instead of trying to curl it.
Thank you. Give me an update on how it goes. I am always interested to hear the results.
I'll be trying this as well.
What about a video on finger tension using index and pinky
Sounds good. The pinky won't have much tension as some even tuck it, but I can talk about pros and cons of fixing it, and tension on index finger. Thanks for the idea.
Great video. No one has ever addressed thumb dynamics this well. But I guess I don't understand what you mean by "pulling back with the thumb" in order to flatten the wrist. Wouldn't this cause the thumb to release early?
In the first part of the video, you need to make sure the fit is right and that you are hinging where the thumb meets the hand, not at the middle knuckle. If you do this and the fit is right, and you can pick up the ball with the thumb only like I show early, then the ball only comes off the thumb when you relax it. This is why I can swing the ball with just my thumb in the ball. So when you pull it back, you are pressing in with the thumb, and the ball won't release. You will get that cup and be able to swing your arm with the ball staying in your hand. As you start the down swing and start to rotate your thumb, that is when you will relax the thumb to let the ball start to come off your hand at the right time, and at the same time, lift with your fingers. I hope that makes sense.
I use a glove the one that mike strogger use on tour any help with that please.
I assume there is no thumb in the glove. If not, the fit lesson is the same. The only change is that if it is a brace and has a firm backing to hold your wrist, you won't be able to uncup at the release. You will stay in a cupped or neutral position the whole way. With these, it is important to not roll your hand over. These gloves help get revs for those with a weaker wrist who need a little help, but will limit your ability to get a ton of revs, which is okay. Usually players who require these braces I suggest trying to keep your hand at about 45 degrees, not behind or beside the ball. You still want to use a flat thumb to hold the ball, and relax the thumb and strengthen the fingers right at release to get the ball to roll off the hand. If your hand is positioned at 45 degrees or so, it should have correct ball roll. You can increase revs a little even with a brace by going from behind the ball and rotating to 45, but don't roll it over. Watch Shannon Okeefe videos. She uses a brace and does this better than anyone. Note that if you use a brace for support, you MIGHT NOT be using the thumb to pull back and cup the wrist. I would suggest trying that to see if it eliminates the need for the brace, but if you need the brace, then follow above. I hope this helps.
Question is 45 degrees is about 11oclock when your thumb exit
@@williemorrison5006about. If 12 o'clock is forward and 9 is 90 degrees, 10:30 would be 45. So anywhere from 10 to 11 o'clock is good.
When pulling back with the thumb do you do that in conjunction with the fingers. Appreciate you good stuff
I’m sorry there was a question in there. Just clarifying.
Great question. The fingers act as a stop when you press your thumb inward in the ball, and they act as a pivot point when you pull back to cup your wrist. You aren't really pressing your fingers any harder than just keeping the ball still. For me, personally, the finger holes can be large. Some like a snug fit there also (and many use the vacu-grips), but I really just want the bottom of the finger holes to be a ledge for my finger to rest on. I want my fingers somewhat loose thru the whole swing until you release the thumb and lift with your fingers. When you pull back to cup your wrist, you are still pressing the base of your thumb on the inside of the ball, so the fingers are really just there to keep the ball from rotating. You don't really want to lift with the fingers or put much pressure on the fingers at this point. That gets you back into a "squeeze." I like to put my thumb in and set up. Then, I wiggle my fingers to promote a "loose" feel, and I want the majority of the pressure to be on the thumb. The main goal is to have the ball feel lighter because of the good fit. If you "curl" using your hand and fingers, you can feel how heavy the ball is. Work on pulling the thumb back and adjusting the feel of your fingers until you feel like the ball feels lighter and easy to maneuver. Another way to think about the pressure you use, I like to think of it as "strong thumb, loose fingers" thru most of the swing, and then as you start the release, you swap that to "Loose thumb, strong fingers." Going from strong thumb to loose is going from holding onto the ball to releasing the ball. Going from loose fingers to strong fingers is going from relaxed swing to lifting with power and creating revs. I know this might be confusing as it's hard to explain by text, but hopefully you get enough out of this to help you out. Let me know how that goes or if you need further clarification.
Please don’t misinterpret my question. My bowling release is terrible this is the best information I’ve received since taking up this game a year ago. I was just wondering on the fingers thank you thank you best gomer Pyle impression.
@@pcolesjr Absolutely always here to help. I love putting out these videos because we get questions from all levels, and we love helping anyone improve their game. I hope this leads to some success for you.
Im back. Now to know where fonger holes should be drilled. Should the center of thumb and the center of ring fonger and middle finger be lined up or would that be off and poont beside my thumb. Im still not sure where the ball should be sitting most of the weight of the ball? I know my thumb if not tigjt it bends all crazy very flexible. I hope thats understandable. Hard to explain when im not a full year into bowling with a fitted ball and really getting into it. Im so determined east sleep repeat with bowling. I csnt stop until i can fully understand everything. Yes im MADD as the hatter😂😂
Thanks for the comments. On the location of the holes, usually the pro shop will draw a center line, and the thumb is centered on the line, and the line splits the fingers. However, I think it depends on thumb flexibility. If you look at the palm of your hand, your thumb is not directly below those two fingers. With a traditional layout, the base of your palm will be off the ball. I don't like this, and I have arthritis and needed to figure out how to get it more in my palm. My pro shop draws the center line, but then offsets my thumb hole. Additionally, because my thumb is not flexible, I have a lot of left pitch. This all puts the ball more in my palm. This isn't normal, but I think way more people should try it. I hope this all makes sense.
I just recently discussed this with one of my leaguemates, whose thumb hole was way too big. I told him the ball will actually feel lighter if his thumb fit is correct, because he'll be able to hang onto it with much less grip pressure, and a tighter thumbhole will make his thumb exit QUICKER because he's not clawing it. Also, is that a Sarge Easter grip on that light blue Hammer? You don't see that very often!
YES! It's amazing how much of a difference that feel in the thumb makes. It can really relax the hand and gain power. And YES, it's not only Sarge Easter, but what we call Nanu Nanu Sarge Easter (meaning the ring finger is not only conventional, it's also spread away from the middle finger a little like the Mork & Mindy Nanu Nanu handshake). In addition to all that, my thumb is shifted left and has quite a left pitch. All of this was done thru experimentation with my PSO to help alleviate arthritis pain in my index finger. I have arthritis in my wrist also, but the index finger was unbearable, and with the "V" created from the middle finger to the index finger, too much weight was distributed to the index finger causing pain. All of these changes together help set the ball more into my palm, and redistribute the weight more between the middle finger and the ring finger. It has almost completely removed the pain in that finger, and I don't feel like I've lost ANYTHING in my power or rev rate, so well worth it. I'll probably do a video on that at some point. Thanks for watching!
I hate the feel of all the slugs. I just drilled a ball the thumb the size a rubber grip put thumb in rubber grip and incerted in ball. And i love the feel way better. Would that be a bad idea to use?
Don't think I have seen anyone use an external thumb grip. I have seen some use a glove with a thumb. As long as you can get a consistent release and the grip doesn't come flying off, I suppose that would be okay. I also find that I prefer the feel of tape, so prefer a larger thumb hole, and then insert tape to get right fit and feel.
Are you using a sarge grip
I am. It's actually what we call the Nanu Nanu Sarge. I have arthritis in my index finger and the standard grip was painful. Too much weight on that finger. My PSO and I did a lot of experimentation and found that separating the middle finger and ring shifts a little weight away from index towards the ring. The Sarge plus shifting my thumb left with a lot of left pitch also shifts the weight into my palm more. All of this has alleviated the arthritis pain.