Kurt Steiner - Insane Stone Skipping - World Record - 88 Skips [with Count Overlay]
2015 ж. 26 Қаң.
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I made the throw in September 2013 in the Allegheny National Forest in Pennsylvania.
So he found the world's greatest skipping stone .....and then threw it away?
+greggas1 the proof is in the pudding man
+greggas1 It can't be the world's greatest skipping stone if you don't throw it away.
+greggas1 For records and competitions, you can use carved stones made for the discipline.
I think he was kidding.
Actually no --- You MUST use a natural, unmodified stone -- they check, too!
"Steiner" translates to "Stones" in Norwegian. Pretty fitting last name if you ask me :)
That's great lol! I always knew 'stein' was stone in German - leading to an obvious and rather amusing play on words in US slang....
And the one he beat with the 64 skips is max steiner. Maybe its because of the last name lol
@@karpoemil It's called Nominative Determinism
;-)
@@kerseykerman7307 mindblown
The moment the stone drowned is the saddest part.
I only found out about this video due to the Freakonomics Radio podcast. Never even knew this was a thing.
Ha, you and me both:)
you & ME both lol!Everybody gotta be good at somethin, right?PS - when did that Freakonomics segment run?
+Stone Skipper May 12 2016, "How to win games and beat people"
Oh yeah yeah! The Freakonomics piece w/ Whipple. I heard that was due out & missed it. Thanks
me too. This is pretty insane.
I can do about 4... :(
How To Make Sushi I BEAT YOU I CAN DO 1!
I can do about 2
I can do 0
omg hi
I can do -99
He's using Nen ability
Adhi Saputra underrated comment 🤣
I wish i understood what "nen" means.. probably anime related
Alex Petersen yea its from hxh
What blows my mind is that there's no curve. When a normal human skips a rock, it curves depending on what arm threw it. This one's just a straight line. So incredible.
What blows =MY= mind is that you observed this! I talk a lot about exactly what causes what we call "hook". I've even developed a way of throwing with "reverse spin" (natural left-hand spin for a right-hand throw) to show people the main relation of spin direction = hook direction. Beyond that, a buddy of mine & I often make up trick/skill shot contests where open water is limited .. our last little mini-contest involved trying to get under a particular bridge throwing down a narrow channel. The trick was, to get under the bridge, you had to actually amplify hook, since the bridge was 'around the corner' a ways. Anyway, experiments have led to the principle that more hook is derived from A) aspects of the lower edge of the stone & B) the time between skips, which normally lessens to near zero near the end of the run. Specifically, the more protrusions (aka radial "lobes") and the less polished smooth they are, the more the stone will grab at the back/trailing edge of the rock, and cause the leading edge to shift respectively left or right, especially as the rock lays down and the back edge becomes more or less always "rolling" along the water. My particular throw never really sucked down into that mode, which obviously was good. But it's also something I try to control by keeping the rock up off the water. In this case, that amounts to a maxim: The probability of stone-water contact points is maximum at the longest radii/lobes in direct relation to spin rate. For the Record throw, I put an extra emphasis on spin rate and sacrificed forward velocity, and also used a stone that was somewhat diamond-shaped so that only the long tips were really contacting water. This kept the stone sort of pogo-sticking along without bogging down and hooking. (In truth, it =was= hooking, but the distance between each contact is fairly large, so the the curve is not very perceptible.) There's also a fair amount of water rippling from previous throws that acts as a sort of mirror image of spin+geometry pogo effect .. that is, the regular ripples can act as 'rumble strips' that keep the stone from running too flat. All in all, tho man, yeah, pretty cool lol! I agree.
That's not how angular momentum works
@@crimson4066 Guys spent most of his life thinking about spinning rocks, but you know better. Cringe.
Kurt, you have been an incredible influence for me with rock skipping! In the few times i have talked to you IRL you have been so kind and gave such great feedback. Hope I see you next year at the competition!
I think he did more than what was counted, skipped a double @5 and there are still consecutive skips after 88.
I would have dove in the water and found that stone
... I still have separation anxiety lol ...
legend says that the stone is still skipping right now
That is just the coolest thing, man.
And here I am jumping from happiness over gitting 6 skips 😂🤭
My record was 8 skips lol
Hold my fish...
"This is his Sistine Chapel... A beautiful gift to the world"
thats incredible, Kurt. im a pretty good skipper myself and my personal record was 25 at two places, one several years ago when i was young at canyon lake, az, a great place due to its still water and slate abundance. slate is a great skipping stone because it breaks off in thin flat pieces. a bit of erosion and boom you have super good stones for pros and beginners. the other location where i got 25 was a few months ago at a place called christopher creek. its a campground in the forest with a creek flowing through. at one spot there is this fallen tree that extends to the middle of the creek, and downstream for a solid 200 feet is a straight, still stretch with few obstacles and rapids. so i found a little small but very good stone and gave it a mighty toss. it skipped a good 150 feet and i estimated a number of 25. i was camping so i didnt have a video camera and fancy slow mo software so i used the magic of ballpark estimates.
Hey! thanks for the enthusiasm -- all very interesting. I wonder, is/was that true slate? I use shale here from Lake Erie, which the waves polish up very nicely. But I'm always looking for a denser mineral like slate. The only slate I get tends to be too think & too hard/brittle to polish well. Regardless, would you mind noting the location of your favorite stone supply point(s)? Some day I might make a tour of other peoples' 'hotspot.' Any tournaments in places you been through?
well at canyon lake there are lots of little coves made from filled canyons, as the lake is man made via a dam, but the coves provide a very still environment with easy access to the slate deposits. i believe the one i skipped my lucky 25 was one of the larger ones, i believe la barge canyon. there is a parking lot and a little trail that goes deep into the canyon but it does parallel the lake for a while before climbing up a steep slope to a large cliff overlooking a deep chasm. going up the slope is where you can find the broken slates and stones, then take em to the water. im not a geologist but i believe its slate or shale, but whatever it is it's great for skipping. i dont polish my stones i just pick them up, clean any dirt clumps off, and let them fly.
as for tournaments, i have not been to any. i dont know if there are any in WA where i live now or in AZ where i used to live/ go there for school breaks. the other place is a small but "gorge"ous ( its in a deep gorge cut into the side of a big hill) campground about 20 minutes or so outside of Payson, AZ. Payson is about an hour's drive north or so of Phoenix. flowing through the campground is a large creek ( about 20 feet wide, more or less.) called christopher creek by the guy who lives in a trailer there, but on google earth its beaver creek. whatever the name is, there are also similar/if not the same slate like rock outcroppings at one point in the creek where we fished. its on the far eastern end of the canyon where the creek takes a sharp bend over some rapids into a deep pool beneath a giant chunk of slate. its very tricky to cross but once across go up towards this rock vein which is cut diagonally. the ground is littered with hundreds of small, but very flat, square to nearly circular stones all about the width of a tennis ball to a playing card.
the area i skipped that 25 is not the area with the tricky crossing and weird cut cliff face. its on the other side where the campsites are and downstream. since the campground is very large, there is a low concrete bridge with a big sign warning of flash flooding which occurs during the summer monsoon storms. travel upstream on this small trail until you meet a large log extending into the creek. there is not much in the way of stones that you can grab and fling like at canyon lake, but i collect and carry stones from one place to another. its a very smooth log, perhaps from a birch tree due to its silvery white hue, and is firmly locked into the bank by two saplings and years of settling into the mud. its easy to walk onto it with good balance and the end puts you smack in the middle of the creek. upstream skipping is hard because of lots of boulders making the stones more like pinballs, but downstream for a good 50 or so feet there are few obstacles save for one or two man made stepping stone bridges and the water is rapid free.
I am a good skipper myself, my current record is 8 skips, I did it at my school at recess, all my classmates where shocked when i did it.
My current record is 6. I got it just yesterday at a get together with some friends at a nearby pond
that was actually 90 so congrats dude
A friend shared your Outside profile. Incredible! Very happy you've made a YT channel.
Thanks, and sry for the delay .. btw, I expect to be offering a lot more content later in the year .. I've been struggling back from shoulder surgery, but dying to get back into the swing! Thanks again for the interest and support! Means a lot :-)
i can do that hold my beer
Lol
@Adriel Ramos yes
WIRED brought me here
Wait wait don’t tell me brought me here. This was impressive!! I took my 3 and 2 years to this couple days ago and I they impressed at my 3 skips 😂😂😂
I read your interview with outside magazine. All around dope guy
I accept the pun, unintended or not ;-)
Ironic his last name is 'Steiner'. Literally translates into 'Rocks' in Norwegian.
Fawaz Shaikh anti-ironic how his name is Steiner
It was all part of my looong term pre-existence birthplan .. so not ironic at all haha ;-)
@@StoneSkipper So is it pronounced Steiner or Stoner?? 😏
@@gomogo2000 I answre to both ;-)
Teflon coated, gyroscopically balanced "stone"...?
Who else is here from Brad’s It’s Alive salt video?
aye
Dehydrated wourder*
Yuhh
You need to train the Navy to do that. When the enemy realizes that their ship has been hit by skipping stone, that'll end the conflict right away.
nice edit dude
Glad you like it
wow! is fantastic
gotta make some test to that stone seems like the stone took something to enchance its performance, smells like lance armstrong here
Nope. Read his biography. Or the Freakonomics podcast transcript "How To Win Games And Beat People" (Google Freakonomics & that title in Google to read about the physics behind the stone skipping. Hint: It all has to do with throwing the stone at an horizontal 30% angle.) No conspiracy here.
It was probably, Stoned.. hehehe
it was a Guinness requirement that all stones were examined prior to my throws. & keep in mind that I had 500 of the >best< stones that I had found over 10 years waiting for the day!
This guy fucks !
WUZ DAT A REGULATION SIZE SKIPPIN STONE ? :p
Records. The world record for the number of skips, according to the Guinness Book of Records, is 88, by Kurt "Mountain Man" Steiner. The cast was achieved on September 6, 2013, at Red Bridge in the Allegheny National Forest, Pennsylvania. I love how people just say anything they want these days.
Can't even imagine wht sort of power dat would hav took to shoot it that far..amaingman...hatts off
It's just a glitch in The Matrix
Hey Kurt - haven't seen you since Franklin Aug '15. This is the fist time I'm seeing this - so the rumors were true! Congrats bud. How did you find such a tall cameraman? (I assume this is a drone?)
Dude! Man sorry for the delay .. I just went to upload a new video & discovered my account was frozen up cuz the linked email went dead ... so I have like a YEAR of all kinds of stone skip messages/contacts etc I didn't know about lol No wonder nobody could get ahold of me lol Anyway -- Ha! yeah I had this shot from a bridge -- I tried a lower/10' angle but you couldn't count the skips when the stone got over 250/300' feet away. So this worked great, the only bad was the old SD quality, but it's all I had at the time -- my HD guy only had one "volunteer" in him and that was the lower angle/no-go attempt two months earlier. But it came out good enough. How 'bout you? Where you at now? And Thanks, btw! I've been practicing more distance these days, since it's actually easier on my body .. one of these days, Scotland!
Crazy
Hey, small question, but do you think the shape and thickness of the rock significantly affects how many times the rock skips? As an avid rock skipper myself, I never find rocks that are really thin and flat, the rocks that I consider good usually have some flaw such as a jagged edge or pretty thick, etc. The highest amount of skips I've had is probably around 20 ish, and I can consistently get more than 8 skips with a good rock. I'm really aiming to get a new record, would you suggest the first thing that improves number of skips is a better rock? Or technique? Thanks!
Hello! Well that is the biggest 'small question' that is possible lol .. But that's good! Yes: Shape matters, thickness matters, density matters, texture matters, grip matters .. in technique spin, speed, twist (roll) matters, tilt, and attack angles matter .. So there are many things to learn to be professional. The important thing is to experiment -- throw many stones exactly the same way and observe how they skip different. See if you can relate one feature of the stone to a general pattern of behavior. Also do the same thing with your throw -- throw with angles that are extreme, that feel too much or too little. See with your own eyes if the feeling is accurate. You may discover that an 'unnatural-feeling' throw has good results. It is much better to have a bad throw that teaches you something than to have a nice 'safe' throw that does not teach something new. Whatever happens, always try different things and look for patterns. But stoneskipping is truly a fascinating and complex activity, because there are so many factors and variables that affect each other. There are many 'rules of thumb,' but no rule is always 100% true. In general: 1) The bottom of the stone should be flat and smooth. 2) The bottom edge -- around the outside, where the stone is mostly touching the water -- this should not feel sharp to the finger. If the stone 'hooks' a lot as it skips, then the stone is too sharp or 'edgy' around that bottom edge. 3) If stones bounce up high after the first skip, then lower the front edge when you throw it. Mainly, there are 'layers' of difficulty to skipping -- the deeper you go, the more complex it can get. The good news is, you can get over 30 skips by just getting good at the the fundamentals, and it's not too hard. It does help to have good stones & flat water and a nice place to stand, but every condition is good to learn from. Also I would say, it is best to get precise and consistent before trying to throw super-hard. Adding power can change everything you thought you had figured out! So it is best to have a steady shot, and then slowly throw harder and adapt to that. Really, there is so much that you remind me that maybe it is time to write a book lol
When I was a kid I prided myself on making so-called "dunkers" skip, if even only for a few skips (or one lol). I used to love hanging down on Flathead Lake as a kid, often skipping rocks when the fish weren't biting. I am happy that KZhead suggested this video . . . reminiscing now!
So now need some mathematician/physics/etc analysis on this and optimal conditions study. Like will wind and ripples in a given direction hinder/help. Atmospheric pressure, stone center of mass. So many variables. So many intrigues.
I can actually answer all these questions, and a lot more .. I know my physics and I've talked w/ professors etc .. my 'judges' were all hand-selected physicists and aeronautic engineers. HOWEVER, the guys w/ the high power math and computers etc also have real jobs lol They just don't want to take time out to verify or deny or modify my particular theories. I'm thinking of putting it all in a book or a series of
My best was the rock sinking.
My shoulder 😫 just looking at it
Outside online has a story up recently on Kurt
Hold my beer...
Hands-up those coming from SciShow thinking "88 WTF?!"
It sucks, cause if you don't have a camera, you can't see how many times it bounces. I've counted 13 but cause it just kind of drifts across the water I dont actually know how many bounces it was
wow!
This Video: 88 Stone Skips WIRED: Why it’s ALMOST Impossible to skip a stone 88 TIMES
89 actually
If you throw 5 cm diameter stone by 20 degree angle you can do a good job.
Likely using telekinetic energy. Do you focus on "making" it happen?
Check out the documentary "Skips Stones for Fudge" about Kurt and his pursuit of the world record here: www.amazon.com/dp/B074PYKZDQ or at www.highwaygoat.com
This throwing was so long that i ate my entire lunch and came back and it was still on 23...
Did he put motor to the stone!
His reaction at the end “coulda done better” ha
and I'm here like oh my god I got 5 duuude
Damn the stone ends up go back to his hand
Hello, I'm writing you because we are doing a project on the topic of stone skipping. That it's why I would like to ask you if you could help us on the physical aspect of it. Do you have a way for us to contact Kurt Steiner ? We are especially interested in how he trains, how he chooses his a rocks, what the physical forces involved in the throw are, etc... Thank you for your time and we hope you will be able to help us :)
Hi Lisa - Friend-request me @ facebook.com/Stoneskipper/ .. just know I'm off-grid & w/o internet during the winter .. please allow time to get any mesages - But I'm interested! thx
you can get acquainted with your project?
88 skips with a german last name that literally has stone in the name
;-)
camera pans back up "i have no idea"
2018??
I can't even do that on ice
I thought I was the only one.. I've found my calling
O_O I got 17 once... are there any bonus points for waves on the water?
i can achieve it by a hydrophobic material coated stone. this stone highly likely has micro air trapped voids on its surface.
Actually yes this can be true! (Sort of true...) Sandstone is too rough, but shale &/or hard stone with small, but smooth, dimples are OK. I have discussed but never tried hydrophobic, although I know a girl who coated stones for experiment with wax lol! My stones are required to be natural however.
Awesome throw! But there are a few uncounted skips at the end.
About the "???'s" at the end ... I submitted my video to 3 different judges (engineers & professors). The 3 counts I got back were 88, 89, 90. I submitted the lowest score that all judges agreed upon. The "uncertain skips" are not the ones at the very end, but in the middle somewhere. But it was easier to show it this way.
@@StoneSkipper Oh ok. But for real, I am a Brazilian 13 year old that just started stone skipping, and I got lots of inspiration from you, and it's really awesome to see that the world's best stone skipper answered my comment lol thanks Kurt
Did 66, private no record of course, and my buddies say 52, 17? (he sucks) but I have great eyes and ears. McDonald Lake, Glacier National Park MT 2000 completely flat surface with a 8cm limestone smooth..I wish we had the tech we do today...
wow 66! i thought my 30 was impressive.
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88 is the best number
SO HILARIOUS HIS LAST NAME MEANS STONE-R . HOW APROPOS
my best is 4 but thats only because i was not trying if i was trying i could get the same as him probably
Kurt steyner abimize selamlar
Selamlar!
I once did a 30-40 its impossible to count. The stone just kept circling round and round for a good 10 seconds
There is no way you skipped a stone for 10 seconds. I don't think you know how long 10 seconds is.
@@nomimalone7520 it sounds crazy, but i litterally stood there thinking how is this stone not stopping
@@tobiashansen488 No chance what so ever you skipped a stone 10 seconds, if you did you probably be in Guiness by now, a stone that skips 10 seconds has probably never ever happened, the longest throws in history are 9.6 and 9.8 seconds!!! and one of them is by Kurt Steiner.
@@MidooHadi maybe it was 8,5 seconds 😂
pfff , idealny kamien ;D
👏🏽
Hypothetical question, would your longitude and latitude effect your potential success in this? I assume the effect would be minimal but I question if it would be noticeable?
+cerroh I don't see how.. differences in gravity are already minimal.. and even if they were noticeable (which they most certainly aren't) they would mostly affect the length of the throw (shorter skips) but what counts is the number of skips, not the length of the throw Much more likely the state of the water would affect the potential success, e.g. temperature and soluble/insoluble components
+Marcus Kelly with or against the rotation will have no effect whatsoever.
Actually, gravity DOES play an important (and overlooked) role. Consider two things: 1st - I land stones fairly close to my feet; I've calculated that adding a few feet of height adds several mph to my downward velocity (research the effects of a pitcher's mound on velocity, for example). By releasing the stone at very precise angles, downward velocity is converted very efficiently into forward travel. 2nd-Also, even over the brief distance (10-15 feet) that the stone flies between my hand and the water, this is enough to 'bend' the trajectory downward and in extreme cases, such as my record, must be considered and adjusted for, if you are aiming to 'arrive' at the water at a particular angle to the water.
Gravity does change across a land mass. The highest gravity was somewhere South West in the UK they found in a TV programme, more than the top of Ben Nevis. It depends on the underlying geology. The variation from highest to lowest on Earth is 0.7%.
Jesus stone can bounce on water and keep rolling forever.
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Most I have done is about 20.
i cant do even two skips
He was going for that Audi symbol.
Is he the artist of the Olympics sign?
Did someone noticed that this lake was biggger than the ocean
well a hadcore pc gamer can easly do it .. only he needs a rock and fap hand
+Cunfuu Lmao!
This is true, i can confirm lol.
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Do get it
.. man surgery in April - therapy thru Augus - REinjury in late October - BACK in therapy now (January) - this was NOT the plan :-)
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My shoulder dislocated just watching this.
actually had to sit out '22 w rotator cuff lol
@@StoneSkipper Yes. That throwing motion is incredibly stressful.
@@StoneSkipper ps. Has your throw ever been clocked? Either over hand or side.
Need to go look for that rock
dude ... you don't know how many times I've tried to remember EXACTLY how that rock looked lol
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@@sla1776 kim milyoner olmak ister
And I can't even skip stones.
Plot twist the rock was a paid actor
Her after the chase
Did you cast your own concrete stone, with a lead filler? I would be interested in seeing the stone, before you skipped it. Are you going to dive and recover the stone, or make another?
Wtf my personal record was 8 and this guy got *88* skips?!? HOW STRONG IS HIS ARM?!? *WHAT ROCK DID HE USE?!???
haha - I saved up the best 500 rocks for 5 years and just kept blasting till I hit it ... this stone was sort of a rounded diamond ... PS I have a cool gig coming up with these guys >>>> kzhead.info/sun/fM9vZNGsj4uNq3k/bejne.html ... part of WIRED magazine's "Almost Impossible" youtube series. Watch for updates!!
I think he may have used cork...
Drone? Not stone?
WTH! I made a huge fuss out of myself when I got 6 lol
Did it time travel? :P
how fast the rock gets ?
Current pros currently throw a 4-6 oz stone up around 60-70 mph, with about 30-40 spin revolutions per second.
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