What's Up With Nightmarionne? - SOLVING The Nightmare - FNAF THEORY
I've been asking myself this question for a long time, and I think I have the answer.
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Interesting bit of trivia: Not only is Nightmarionne one of the only characters in FNAF World that knows the move: "4th Wall," but it's also one of the only characters in FNAF World who's character quote is from a first-person perspective (Nightmarionne is the speaker, rather than the quote talking about Nightmarionne)!
Doesn't shadow Bonnie ask you to say his name? That would be first person also right?
@@TenshiLove5 Indeed! There are very few characters that do this, among them being Nightmarionne, Shadow Bonnie, Shadow Freddy, and a couple others
@@VaguelyRowlet There’s also phantom Chica asking you to stop calling her a watermelon
@@TenshiLove5 Bro think he Walter White💀
They don't learn attacks
Charlie's digitized agony chasing William's. The cycle continues, forever and ever
TV Tropes (the website) on their profile for nightmarrione suggests a fifth theory, that he is an embodiment of William Afton’s fear of the Puppet
Intriguing, do you have the link?
With UCN, there's also Springtrap and Scraptrap. Both past and present versions of William
good point!
I just realized nightmarrion is the ucns app face
It has some interesting implications, doesn't it?
@@VaguelyRowlet yeah honestly I love this theory it makes sense and everything connects
thank you!@@fireslasher8105
Thank you for bringing attention to the player playing PQ Alpha. It seems like people just glossed over this aspect.
Honestly I’ve always loved the idea that Nightmarionne is just another form of Nightmare, same as the black Nightmare Fredbear (and maybe even regular Nightmare Fredbear? Since he makes everyone else disappear like Nightmare does?), and if that’s the case I could absolutely see Nightmare having a lot more power/influence than we’ve been let on
Nightmare and Nightmarionne being the same is very likely. Keep in mind Nightmare is also shadow Freddy and as we know he can shapeshift it’s very likely shadow Freddy is the reason all this stuff happens. Nightmare is definitely far more important than everyone thinks
I personally think nightmarrione and nightmare sort of act like Lefty and The Puppet, as now Nightmarrione is out of Nightmare since it's figuratively burned and is now it's own sort of thing. It's a head canon but it a darn good one to me.
I think when they scanned circuit boards for Help Wanted, they scanned way more then one. It is important to note that a circuit board and a disk, or chip are very different things. We are shown something taken out of Helpy, but that's not a circuit board. I think what happened was that the dev team was non-discriminant with what they scanned in; they scanned in a lot of salvaged stuff and somewhere in that heap are all the things that got into Help Wanted and Security Breach unintentionally. I think the community is too fixed on which EXACT piece of hardware caused the corruption, instead of considering that what might be at fault could be coming in from multiple different angles. Remnant and Agony are spirit goo that "sweats" from metal; this has always suggested to me the idea of the hauntings having an "infectious" quality; it's how Afton made the funtimes by melting down and "spreading" the haunting around. In this same way I think the VR Dev team accidently "spread" all the bad stuff around by scanning everything instead of being selective; creating the same chaos as Molten Freddy in a sense. Nightmarionne could have ended up in the mix because, perhaps, it's the agony/remnant that has oozed from the Puppet burning up and melting onto the components of Lefty. Perhaps Glitchtrap is the literal "echo" or "memory" of Afton that was soaked and absorbed into the surviving hardware bits of Scrap Trap.
I REALLY like this idea!
I like your theories a lot... I am from latin america and I understand very well your videos. I have the same way of thinking and I like that a lot, keep up the good work, you deserve many more subscribers
That's sweet of you to say, thank you so much!
I'd like to think for nightmarionne being death and appearing in UCN is that he's trying to kill him, as he appears over the game/ invading his purgatory. There are so many theories I can't keep up 😅
3:06 that is genuinely horrifying
While FNAF world is… decidedly canon, I’m not entirely sure the Halloween world from version 2 (where nightmarionne is found in game) is. First of all, there’s obviously the satire games you need to play to unlock the characters (like foxy.exe). While i could see most of these games being passed off as Fazbear Entertainment or some fans of Freddy Fazbear’s Pizzeria making the games, Freddy In Space explicitly uses Scott Cawthon as the main villain and has him spouting off more empty FNAF spin-offs he could do (which notably, Scott Cawthon is NOT the canon developer of the main FNAF games, as he confirmed that while the picture used in HW1 was of him, it doesn’t mean he is the game developer). It just doesn’t seem likely that these FNAF games actually exist and that characters in the Halloween world are canonically connected to them through the digital world, but I guess the games could always be a representation of a different program. Second of all, one of the characters in Halloween world is Purple Guy. Not William Afton, Purple Guy. While it’s possible, I seriously doubt that this is either mimic because of how directly aware it is on how it’s not William Afton (as it says it’s not the actual Purple Guy, just a game sprite). This would make there be a third purple guy that might not even have significant relation to the other 2 and the mimics if all characters in FNAF world are to be taken as canon. Similarly, the coffee machine and Chipper from Scott’s pre FNAF games are in the Halloween world, so this would make them canon too, and they didnt appear in UCN or get any mention anywhere as far as I know in FNAF media besides FNAF world. I don’t actually have any more evidence, but I would like to know any other counterarguments or some points that would make the Halloween world specifically canon, that aren’t mentioned in the video like nightmarionne being in UCN of course
All we know is that FNAF World is canon, and Scott didn't add addendums like "only the 1st version of FNAF World is canon" or "the halloween world is not canon," so I think we should probably take what he originally said at face-value. The existence of characters like Purple Guy and Chipper were probably jokes before FNAF World was canon, but it is canon now, so we can't really use how absurd FNAF World is as evidence that it (or parts of it) are not canon. The "How" and "Why" for these characters that don't make sense end up boiling down to the question "What is FNAF World?" As the answer to that question can inform us as to how and why characters like Chipper are here.
I feel like update 2 is in the same vein as stuff like Freddy in Space 2. There's a pretty clear tonal distinction between it and the original FNaF World, since even if FNaF World is absurd by normal FNaF standards it DOES still have roots in certain lore stuff like with the clock ending that update 2 really doesn't. (I get there's the bit with Baby but counting that as canon would directly contradict a lot of other stuff we know for a fact.) Even if it's part of a game that's original version is considered canon, the very jokey meta way it's written makes it pretty clear that it and the other games like it shouldn't be taken seriously, otherwise we'd need to start considering the possibility that Markiplier, MatPat and Freddy Fazbear NSFW are also canon in the FNaF universe thanks to the later Freddy in Space games.@@VaguelyRowlet
@@rickg1187 I guess that's fair but I personally don't see a correlation between Update 2 and the sequel to Freddy in Space
I didnt play help wanted 2 but i faintly remember noticing that the real world nightmare plush and the princess quest nightmare plush are roughly close to a sinkhole A sinkhole that trascends pq from a 2d game to a 3d one adding depth I dont know what to do with this info nor can i check myself to debunk the distance from the sinkhole and shit So do what you want with this info, might lead somewhere interesting
3:35 Actually from the evidence that I've gathered, and thanks to the info from a theorist (I forgot who it was unfortunately), I can say that Charlie isn't dead. She's the reason why Glamrock Freddy and Roxanne become good characters in SB and HW 2. Evidences are as follows: 1. Glamrock Freddy is sitting on top of a hill and beside a tree in the SB endings where he's included. It's where Charlie's grave is at in the FFPS ending. Plus he's very naive and good-hearted. Do remember that Charlie was 3 years old when she died. 2. There are no burners in one side of the Pizzaria in FFPS Burntrap boss area in SB, and we never see Lefty burning / escaping the fire, which could mean she never got burnt in the first place. 4:42 I can %100 say that, with the book info too, Glitchtrap is William Afton. I already made a post on reddit about why Entity from Ruin is Glitchtrap's newest form, and using all the info we got, both from the final release of SB and the trailers that we got before, and even the hidden/unposted messages in FNAF AR, it's very easy to reach this conclusion. 7:41 That is a very interesting point but that chip belongs to Baby. FuhNaff already made a video about it and that chip is the exact same one that we take from Baby in SL. It's why he says that EvilCharlieBot from the Book Trilogy is actually the Mimic in the games, who was inside Baby. He says that the souls of the Funtimes in the games are only capable of possessing the tube-like wires, hence why Ennard is only made up of them. Ennard doesn't have an endoskeleton like all the other robots does. I've checked the SL in-game models for the robots, and I can say that indeed there is an endo inside every Funtime animatronic. Don't you think it's a bit weird that Ennard isn't an endo like every other animatronic? And my opinion? I believe that Glitchtrap connected himself to the Helpi AI, just like he did with the Tapes in HW 1. He's not Helpi, but he's connected to the program. That's how he was able to appear as the Entity in Ruin after the events of HW 2. Cassie's dad (who is also very possibly Jeremy from HW 1 and the Bonnie Mask Bully from FNAF 4) releases Glitchtrap out, but that doesn't mean that Glitchtrap's whole being was trapped in HW 2 because he was still capable of controlling the Nightmarionne Staff Bots, Gregory, and Vanessa. We know because of Molten MCI stuff that souls can be separated into parts. However, their consciousness can only exist in one place at a time. Hence why Gregory was freed from Glitchtrap's control when seemingly Glitchtrap's consciousness shifted into Burntrap. Before that, Gregory was fully under Glitchtrap's control (GGY story). It's why he has a hard time remembering his own name at the start of SB. 8:05 Exactly what I've been saying for years! Glad to know that I'm not alone on this. 14:45 Wow, that is actually a very good point. So it seems like Glitchtrap and Nightmarionne are working together. It's the Evil Charlie Bot story all over again. Thanks for pointing that out!
LOVING this theory ❤ Also, puppet imagery when objects attack cassie plus that fat black and white striped cable after climbing the ladder post elevator???
Thank you!!
Oh also in the story in the flesh spring trap has nobody to kill so he apparently duplicates and kills himself over and over instead, in ucn spring trap still attacks william, nightmarionne went too far it even recreated william himself in digital form
cool connection!
Maybe nightmarion is the story teller in the games, you see it spread around the pizzaplex, and it would explain how digital forms of other characters come back, there are agony and remenant, the way i think it goes is when the animatronics are posessed they have both, but after they're burned maybe the agony is all thats left? Or nightmarion can recreate characters using agony maybe 🤷♂️ if its a program it could be mimicing
Look at nightmarionnes moves in fnaf world, 4th wall break and prize ball 2? Kinda like the prizes from help wanted 2, and we know security breach programs break the 4th wall
What if Nightmarionne has something to do with "They are watching" from help wanted 2?
quite possible
Based on evil slander Man disgind Belongs to the Marinette and Nightmarionne But there is the issue with Toy Bonnie said about the lyrics - when come to life You Got no Place to hide and keep in eye on the time reminds me of our world You know. 💡🤞🤭🤫😶
Slander Man disgind Belongs to the Marinette and Nightmarionne You know . But unfortunately Toy Bonnie and shadow DeeDee & shadow Blackrabbit / shadow Bonnie based on our country and shadow Earth Moon As well .
So in short fazbear entretaiment scaned an object that contained charlie's agony, potencialy lefty, and it took the nightmarionette form. Fianlly, i have a defenetive answer to my favorite fnaf character.
Smart!!! I subscribed
Thank you!
Helpy's sentient?
sentient enough to run from a fire apparently
I do believe that Nightmarionne is a manifestation of Charlie`s agony. However, i don't believe he's is traying to stop Cassie, i think he's doing exactly what it seems; kill her. Nightmarionne born from the agony of Charlie's murder. Nightmarionne is Nightmare, Nightmare is Shadow Freddy. Shadow Freddy born from Charlie's murder, he takes on the form of Nightmationne because it's literally the event who created him. Nightmarionne IS the shadow (Like Eleanor in FF). Nightmarionne IS the representation of death and suffering, thematically not literally. Nightmarionne is Shadow Freddy, and Shadow Freddy helps William. Shadow Freddy can't physically damage people, but it can warp their perception of reality and affect the environment enough, which is exactly what Nightmarionne does in Ruin, he does not physically harms Cassie, but he manipulates her perception and the environment to kill her, and feed from her pain. Nightmarionne plays the exact same role as Shadow Freddy, if he isn't Shadow Freddy himself. Shadow Freddy obeys and follows William, the same way the Nightmare STAFF bots are under Glitchtrap's control. I do like the theory, regardless if the Nightmarionne in SB is or not the real Nightmarionne does not really matter, as it basically has the role of being William's ally. However, the only think i did not like from this whole video is the FNAF World easter egg. No, by more people try to push this, no, FNAF World cannot possibly hint to future events. NIghtmarionne in FNAF World makes a reference that he has a code, because he literally has. FNAF World as a whole if full of jokes saying that they're in a viodegame, and that's exactly what he's doing; joking about being in a videogame. It's okay to try to search for hints for theories in the most material as you can, but there's a limit. FNAF World came out 5 YEARS before SB. Nothing in SB was even planned at the time, therefore, it shouldn't mean anything.
I like the idea that the reason that the Nightmarionne staff bots listen to Glitchtrap is because Nightmarionne is Nightmare who is Shadow Freddy, and we know Shadow Freddy is allied with William. My only issue with that theory is that Nightmarionne is very clearly anti-William in UCN. The reason I say that Nightmarionne is ultimately trying to stop Cassie by any means necessary (not just trying to assassinate her), is because not everything that happens to Cassie is lethal to her. The vents collapsing under her all the time are a good example of that. There's also things like the sign in Roxy Raceway saying "Wake up."
@@VaguelyRowlet Many characters that are loyal to William, like Scrapbaby and Baby, attack him in UCN, so that's likely a creation from TOYSNHK in there. And about the signs and vents, those are good evidence. Maybe he does want to keep Mimic locked down, good point.
@@user-fk3mt8ck3v I like this explanation a lot it makes sense. I would also like to know your theory regarding shadow bonnie. He is one character I never understood. Why is shadow bonnie in the form of toy bonnie? What's the deal with the mini games? stuff like that.
@@noahthompson5010 I'm not so sure about Shadow Bonnie really. But i don't think he's like Shadow Freddy. As Shadow Freddy is the anttithesis of Golden Freddy (Cassidy), then i think Shadow Bonnie should be the antithesis of Springbonnie (William). Shadow Bonnie most likely born in the MCI, as not only Frights suggest, but also his design itself. It is Springbonnie's shadow. The fact that his design is Springbonnie's, to me, seems to be just a mistake. Springbonnie didn't exist at the time Scott made Shadow Bonnie, so he made all he could later on to clearify he looked actually (In-universe) like Springbonnie, not Toy Bonnie. In the FNAF 3 minigames, Shadow Bonnie is represented as a shadow of Springbonnie, in FNAF 4, he makes a cameo as a literal shadow of Springbonnie in the stage, and another easter egg shows the kid with a Springbonnie plush, which is the same small figure we have to interact with in FNAF 3 to access his minigame. And if SB was actually a shadow of Springbonnie, then it would make sense, as the agony William caused during the murder of the 5 MCI kids led to the shadow of the same suit used to cause pain to gain aentience. He was created on his image. It all lines up. So, about his personality, i don't think there's a lot i can infer from what he does. He helps the kids move on in FNAF 3, but that's just be a memory. And in FNAF AR, he shows up killing the player. And he even could be the one following Jeremy home in FNAF 2. So all the things he does can be interpreted in different ways. But, as i said, being the antithesis of Springbonnie (William), and the enemy of Shadow Freddy (The same way Golden Freddy (Cassidy) is Springbonnie's (William) worst enemy), leads me to believe that Shadow Bonnie is an entity turned good by Cassidy, and he helps her to free the kids and kill and torment William. And, the same way Shadow Freddy keeps tormenting people even after the FFPS fire, Shadow Bonnie keeps trying to prevent people to get hurt, even if it means killing. TL;DR: Shadow Bonnie good 'cause Shadow Freddy bad. He born in the MCI and he actually looks like Springbonnie. So that'd be my take on Shadow Bonnie. We still don't know a lot about him. But i'm sure we'll learn more about him in the future.
@@user-fk3mt8ck3v Gotta say, this makes perfect sense. This is the best theory for the shadows so far, and I completely agree. The shadows were always one of the most confusing but cool things to me in these games. As they always felt like they were more important than others thought they were. But they didn't show up in sister location or FFPS, which is why I think people forgot about them. Gotta say I know how everyone harps on remnant and what not, but I like it. It just ties into the rules of ghosts in this universe. I like how these dark shadow creatures are formed and I like how the ghosts of the children change the environment (Ie. posters changing, paper pals moving, etc) I just like the idea of these events being so tragic and horrible that even the buildings are haunted down to their very foundations. Now we just need to know what Yendo's deal is. Yendo's a character which has done nothing and seems to have no importance. And I doubt he really will, but he seems like such an odd inclusion. Another thing I think about is if who committed the bite of 87 and where did toy Chica's beak go even matter? They're some of the biggest unsolved mysteries of fnaf, but I wonder if they're even important. Any thoughts
Im not 100% on the code thing for Nightmarionne as the other unlockable characters mention their codes being reused for games as well
You should make a follow up video about Nightmare. I'm not happy with all the theories about him & he's even more mysterious than Nightmarionne. He seemingly vanished from the series after Help Wanted 1. I feel like Nightmare has become one of the most forgotten FNAF characters, cause his relevance to the lore's simply nonexistent. Some fans believe he & Eleanor are the same character. I don't understand how. I especially don't believe he's Shadow Freddy either despite what the FNAF 4 game files & his visual appearance might say. If Nightmare was an Agony-based entity, the books, especially Dittophobia, would've confirmed it. All we get as evidence of that is a single line of dialogue from UCN. "I'm your wickedness made of flesh" Meaning he could be William's Agony. Nightmare's appearance in UCN doesn't make sense either. I personally think he represents fear itself. I'd love to know what you think. 🙂
In the past, I've been back and forth when it comes to the idea of Nightmare = Shadow Freddy. The files are pretty hard to argue with, but whether he is or is not; the concept of him representing fear is very intriguing. I like it when character are symbolic of abstract concepts like that. I do wonder if the reason we haven't seen much of him lately is because he and Nightmarionne are, in fact, the same entity now. Cool theory!
@@VaguelyRowlet While that is true, that could've been a throwaway nickname for the character in the files. As game developers, you usually label in-game files as something that might relate to the particular assets. So Nightmare being labeled as Shadow Freddy makes sense in that regard. They look like the same character. But LORE-WISE, I don't think they're completely the same due to their behaviors & purposes in the story. Until there's confirmation, that theory's still in the air for me. 😅 As for representing fear itself, it's literally in the character's name, and how he behaves in FNAF 4. UCN breaks the rules a little bit by having him there. Though the theory of Nightmare & Nightmarionne being the same character's interesting. They could've combined together as one entity throughout the timeline. Either way, I feel for Nightmare getting the short end of the stick as both a mysterious threat & character compared to Nightmarionne, if they were both separate entities. 😔
Honestly, Nightmare and Lefty have a visual similarity like Marionette and Nightmarionne do, so it might have some correlation to that.
@@Tr0113d_ Good point !
@@Tr0113d_ That's fairly possible actually. But the golden hat and bow tie on Nightmare always throw me off. 🤣
I noticed something the other day while playing SB. When I enter Freddy I hear a noise that sounds like an inhibitor. Not sure if it’s due to Roxy’s eyes inside Freddy or something else. I was wondering if it’s the same on your end? I tried going back to an earlier version (from my physical disc copy) and didn’t hear the inhibitor noise.
That's really interesting. I'll check it out. Thanks!
@@VaguelyRowlet So I uploaded a video I recorded the other day showing this. (I tried including a link, but YT doesn't seem to approve) Either way, thanks for your work on this! Really enjoyed the deep dive
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Three Houses Music :)))
one of my favorite games ever!
@@VaguelyRowlet Yes same, and an amazing ost
Pls explain how fnaf world is canon lol
Very interesting video, I appreciate the effort!👍🏻❤ Honestly, I also think that this character has some implication in what's going on! Basically my opinion would be similar to your opinion,nightmarionne and other DLC characters for fnaf 4 became canon, most likely because of the company FAZBEAR ENTERTAINMENT! I feel something is much more fishy about this company, I don't think it is run by Mike who is still alive or other characters, Ms. Afton, Elizabeth the robot version, etc. I'm not saying that Mike couldn't still be alive, he may have escaped because of that escape route for him in fnaf 6, but I think he didn't chosen that, I think that the Afton family and the other characters era sadly ended! (The old era!) I think that in the new era the main enemy would be this company,from them everything started again and still continues, they give us the impression that the Afton family and everyone from the past would still cause everything,their own way to hide themselves,that would explain how Mike still despite everything he may be "still alive", Vanessa's problem with Elizabeth and her therapy, the mystery of the head of the company who would be someone from the past who did not die and we didn't know anything about her, finding Ms. Afton credible to blame for everything that happens and the craziness about CC=Gregory(I'm not saying now that he's a robot or chosen as CC's replacement, his personality fit too well, maybe the reason he was brought into Pizza Plex by Vanessa, I DON'T TRUST HER, and is desperate to escape!) If we analyze their actions, they could have created the first HW to clean up their past, MANIPULATING US LIKE NOTHING BAD ACTUALLY HAPPENED, being about to happen, unintentionally or INTENTIONALLY creating the anomaly in their VR game!(Glitchtrap!) I'm not going to explain how it might or might not be related to the mimic in RUIN, clearly Afton's reflection! The question is WHY? Not (maybe) only because he was one of the owners of the company and a CRIMINAL, but also a part of the company's history just like everyone else! After the first step, Vanny is introduced to us (I won't recap her story anymore!) but I think that her role would simply be to be the right hand of "Afton", he was always not alone in what he did, someone did felt his presence with him! Burntrap and Blob(Tangle) are with the "?" sign, I think I'm taking too much!, but there's a lot about Blob we know,Burntrap not knowing if = Mimic or Glitchtrap,I think it was one of their operations bring "Afton" back, but failing! (same as then, same as they will do again!) About Blob again, I think the community has solved enough about him, but it is certain that it will become a problem in the future, maybe the game related to that festival, but who knows! From this point we already come to Mimic, I can't say who created it and why, maybe Henry or someone else, but as we are informed, it has been around for a long time, most probably the company needed him, needing his program not really the Endoskeleton itself where many started, where Glitchtrap, Burntrap and the other what ever programs from Pizza Plex come from! If we look at them, they follow a kind of line (Route!): The Beginning(Afton!),Charlie(her death,Puppet/N.Puppet),Elizabeth(her death,Circus/Scrap Baby,involving Vanessa in some way),CC(Gregory and all that,the festival?)Michael,and mrs Afton etc.!(I think you understand where I'm coming whit, unfortunately many of these things mix but it's ALSO ONE OF THE EFFECTS THAT THEY CAUSE, that's why I see a game related to the festival coming next in future or What Ever, in which it explains how it started from the beginning this company and what else do they have to do, probably closing the dilemma with CC, that's why I say there is a route, the one that destroyed their reputation, a good part of the Time Line of the games, from the beginning to about halfway, the rest of the events about after the closing of the restaurants notcounting for some reason!)(I HOPE I DIDN'T MISS ANYTHING!) In conclusion, I think that they would be the main enemies of this new era, I don't think it is possible to know who runs the company and why they do everything they do, but from this point of view, just repairing the company's reputation would not be the case! I don't even think it's that important, either way, the company itself is the main problem, CAUSING ALL THIS AGONY!👍🏻🤎
Good points! Having Fazbear Corp. be the real villain of the games rather than any one person would be an interesting direction to take the games
I find it hilarious how people say Fnaf should’ve on Fnaf3 when most of the story was unfinished and made no sense It’s better to have a story fully fleshed out with a fully fleshed out villain then have a short story that makes no sense and have people come back and able to grant life with no explanation at all
How is...fnaf world....canon?