Why Hybrids Are Beating EVs In The U.S.
When Japanese automaker Toyota first brought hybrids to the U.S. in the early 2000s, they were at the cutting edge of green transportation. But soon after, EVs stole the spotlight. Elon Musk-led Tesla disrupted the auto industry and nearly every major legacy automaker scrambled to take part in the coming EV revolution. With almost no fully electric vehicles, the once vanguard Toyota looked behind the times. However, as of early 2024, EV sales are leveling off and hybrids are making a comeback. Automakers such as Ford, BMW, Mercedes, Hyundai and General Motors are all either pulling back on EV production or boosting the manufacture of the humble hybrid. The vast majority of hybrids are standard ones - with an engine and backup battery. But plug-in hybrids are a growing category. Automakers such as GM are reintroducing them to North America.
Chapters:
00:00 - 01:55 Intro
01:56 - 05:42 The hybrid surge
05:43 - 09:36 EV troubles
09:37 - 14:46 What’s next
Producer: Robert Ferris
Editor: Darren Geeter
Animation: Jason Reginato
Senior Managing Producer: Tala Hadavi
Additional footage: Getty Images, Toyota, Tesla, Ford, Volvo, Hyundai
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Why Hybrids Are Beating EVs In The U.S.
Toyota didn't "miss out" on anything. They are selling hybrids and ice cars like crazy.
So many ev only fan boys mocking toyota few years ago, where are they now?
And Telsa knocked them off the best selling global car in 2023... Model Y out sold Rav 4 globally.
Yet they're still trying to push out their Mirai hydrogen cars 😂
@@chrmnxpnoy Toyota knows they make money selling parts to repair their cars. if everyone goes EV they will sell less parts and make less money. They want to push tech that breaks down. thats why they fight EV.
Just doesn't make sense for Toyota to drastically change. The EV charging Network is still not there and Toyota sells globally. I own a Tesla but would buy a Toyota EV over anything but Toyota has to make vehicles that accepted world wide and most countries don't have the infrastructure to support EV's. Also, Toyota would have to make massive changes to their factories to start building EV's in mass. People forgot that massive corporations like Toyota, Mcdonald's, Coca-Cola, etc. are global brands that needs cater the global market, not just the Western Market.
I drive a 2012 Camry hybrid. It’s been driven hard for food delivery and has gone 30,000 miles in under 2 years. Not a single problem. Oil changes every 5k miles.
Google the Tesla Model S that just past the 2 million km mark...
@@kylereese4822 does it have the same battery and motors?
@@kylereese4822That’s one Tesla! There are literally millions of hybrid Toyotas driving around the world at the moment with huge mileage on them. No comparison
@@kylereese4822you mean the one that had it’s battery replaced three times and went through 13 electric motor drive units? 😂.
@kylereese4822 u got owned.
One thing on PHEV, under regular daily use, I only have to fill up the tank once every 3 months. Oil change once a year isn't a big deal compared to having to wait 3 hours to charge the car and forget about the pain of long trips on long weekends when everyone is clogging the charging stations!
I’m all for plug in hybrids but don’t try to make stuff up. Current electric vehicles don’t take hours to charge up. Level 2 chargers (most home chargers) can charge a car fast. The level 3 chargers, like the Tesla ones you see on the road, can charge an electric vehicle in 30-40 minutes.
plus you can take it on longer journeys without having to worry about the charge especially in remote areas.
Have a Hybrid for 14 years and have 205k miles on it. My next car will most likely be a hybrid, it just makes sense
Nah, low IQ NPC move, that's all.
It makes sense for you because you keep a car that long, most people don't keep a car that long so they will never recoup the extra money they shell out for a hybrid with gas savings, it takes 3 to 5 years to recoup that cost, most people don't keep a car more than 5 years. So if they are lucky they will break out even.
@@andresd6193Toyota hybrids don't cost much more than the normal versions. At least when I was shopping a couple of years ago the difference was only a couple of thousand. And you could pretty much rely on getting that back on your resale value.
@@alanjm1234 so it is a net zero gain at best. If you buy the hybrid you get more on resale that if you get the non hybrid one, so what's the point? Hybrids are silly, no matter how you look at them. You are getting the worst of both worlds, they don't really help the environment and they don't really save you money on gas, so what is the point of them?🤔
It burns through tons of fossil fuel in operation that turn into 3 times as many tons of CO2. A plug-in car significantly reduces those emissions. Make better choices, people!
Calling a Mustang Mach-E “acclaimed” is an overstatement.
It was a parts-bin car that needed a brand name because they had no confidence it would sell well on its own.
The western has never cared about climate changes and Horrey ExxonMobil will hit a new world record again for its net profit while 99% of people around the world have to work 24 hours a day, 365 days a week to feed that fat cat on ExxonMobil. Congratulation to Americans who elects Democrat party.
It is the most thoroughly ridiculous vehicle produced in my lifetime-conceptually worse than the Pontiac Aztek.
@@40GrandBatterythe Aztec was actually a very useful vehicle.
There are so many of them sitting on dealer lots it’s ridiculous. They’re practically giving them away for free at this point.
Had a gen. 2 Prius. Best car I ever owned in over 50 years of driving experience. Ordered a Rav4 XSE Prime in Nov. 2023; arrived 1st week of Jan. 2024. This car is amazing. Works perfect for where I live in a rural area of Oregon. Driving in EV mode, I can make 3 trips into town and back just on the battery alone. But when I need longer commutes, I have no range anxiety as this car fully charged and fully fueled has over 600 mile range. Amazing.
You still have to go to the gas station and put gas in the car, get oil changes, fluid flushes, service brakes, etc... all of the inconveniences of ICE cars that you don't have with EV's. Is your 600 mile range nice for a gas car? Sure, if you need that much in a given day, but how often do you drive 600 miles in a day? Also, how often do you start your day with a full tank? The average American drives 37 miles per day so this range is only beneficial when comparing to another ICE car that carries the same ICE inconveniences (gas, oil, brakes, maintenance, etc). Range anxiety is less relevant in an EV than ICE because every day you wake up to a fully charged vehicle that has more than enough range to get you through the day. Imagine if you had to go to the cell phone store every 3 days when your phone ran out of battery, and Apple came out with a new model that you can charge at home after 1 full days of use. Would your rather stick with the "old way" and go to the store every 3 days because it lasts longer before you have to replace your charge, or get the new Apple model that you can charge at home while you sleep every night?
@@jonathanhiner7486servicing toyota with oil , brakes , fluids takes less than charging you EV car. LOL
@@dli8548 false.. I own a Lexus and a Tesla. My Tesla takes 3 seconds to plug in when I pull into the garage. My Lexus takes 20 minutes to drive to the gas station, fill up, and return home every week. It also takes about half of a day at least anytime I bring the Lexus into the dealer for service. I purchased my Tesla 1 year ago now (after selling my 2020 Toyota Tacoma TRD Sport) and it has not been in for service ever. How many EV's have you owned?
@@jonathanhiner7486maintenance is only needed once a year. The total time it takes to maintain the car for the whole year is less than the time it takes to complete a single charge on BEV to full. Not to mention BEVs put a heavy toll on the road infrastructure because they are pigs.
@@jonathanhiner7486 You said It you have a garage, i live in Spain, old appartement with no garage in the building and i make the Minimum wage, and the infrastructure IS far behind any west european country, the only option that make sense for a lot people like me IS a hybrid
I just got my first Hybrid and I am totally impressed. It is amazing and the best choice for most Americans. People just don't have the ability to own an EV. It's not just price or infrastructure, but housing that determines what car is driven. I have a townhouse and have no ability to have a charger. In addition, my commute can be unpredictable with accidents and traffic. The hybrid gives me the fuel economy I need without the worry or stress of needing to "charge" my car. I can drive hundreds of miles on a single tank and fill up in minutes when I need to refuel. I know many Tesla owners who say that the "not needing maintenance" line is a scam. ALL cars need some kind of Maintenance. The dirty little secret of evs is that they burn through tires and breaks especially if you commute. The tire shops say they love EV's because their tires need to be changed every 12-18 months or so. Again, I love my Hybrid and I suggest you consider one before getting an EV. It just makes more sense.
EV's aren't for everyone. But if you can charge at home, at work or while you're running errands, it's better than owning a gas car.
Hybrid are a terrible idea. Get the worst of both. Continuously needing maintenance and an expensive dying battery. With an EV the battery replacement is paid for by the savings from ICE maintenance.
EVs do not burn through tyres and brakes* more often. Where tf did you get that crap from? Their brakes* last longer due to regenerative braking. Man, stop with the propaganda.
@borndeformed88 compared to vehicles in the same size EVs tend to be 15% to 20% heavier, so they wear tyres roughly that much faster as well. It's barely an issue but the Anti-EV crowd need to exaggerate everything to make a point. If roles were reversed and ICE was the new technology they'd endlessly harp on about how ICE cars run out of fuel climbing steep hills, and probably mock having to leave the house to go to random locations to get fuel.
Prius Prime and RAV4 Prime both offer 45 miles on pure electric for daily short range commute and seamlessly switches to hybrid ICE when the battery runs dry with total combined 500mi range. You can plug it in at home and it'll be full by the time you get up for work the next day. It's the smartest way over going full electric.
Can they make me one that does pure electric for that range and saves having to put in the complex hybrid drive train and extra engine? That'd do me 99.99% of the time. I can hire a car for the one weekend every 2 years I need more. Here the hybrids cost about the same as the EVs it's crazy. Toyota don't even sell a plug in hybrid here and the Rav4 non plug in here costs about the same as an equivalent EV and more than many EVs. And that's without ANY government incentives or tax concessions for the comparison EV (which don't exist here except for much more expensive EVs)
Plugging in for the night is best with BEVs, not hybrids.
And the millions of people who live in apartments that can't support that? Go to the recharging stations and you have to wait in line for up to an hour to get a chance to recharge. The infrastructure isn't here today to support all ev.
@@wjrasmussen666 Infrastructure not being built is because we don't central planning, only the free market
EVs are not as environmentally friendly as the media might lead us to believe, even that significant electricity comes from fossil fuel power stations. However, one area where they definitely benefit is cleaner air in cities. Hybrids are the answer for that.
I think the big mistake is to assume that one technology will take over the whole auto industry. We are going to see a diverse landscape of gas cars, hybrids, plug-in, hybrids, and EV’s.
Gasp, a rational comment!
Once you drive an EV (especially a Tesla) you will never drive an ICE vehicle again.
@ReevansElectro I’ve driven two EVs. I still rather drive my ICE 4Runner and M3.
I agree, I like the responsiveness of EVs. I come from a gas car and motorcycle racing background.
@@ReevansElectrothe dumbest comment on this whole video
My wife drives a Chevy Volt, a plug-in hybrid. It is I think the best choice right now. She gets 50 miles on the battery and that is all she needs to get the kids to school, shop, and get home on a weekday. And on the weekend, it can go an unlimited range without needing to stop anywhere to charge up. Plug-in hybrids are the BEST of both worlds. Not the WORST as implied in this story.
That's 100% true! My wife has a Niro Plug-in with an electric range of 26 miles. That's enough for her daily commute to drop our kid in school and go to work. The only time we usually fuel is in long trips. The range is awesome and sometimes we don't even fuel for like 2 months!
Got a 2015 VOLT in 2020. We also have a BOLT EUV. My wife won't drive the BOLT if she can't get home on 1 charge due to the CRAP CHARGING SYSTEM. Apps, maps, worry if chargers even work or available. A friend of ours tried our VOLT, and a few months later went and bought a 2014. He plugs at work. Pour gas for long trips. It's the best option for now.
I agree. I have a RAV4 Prime and it feels like very good from both worlds. Driving electric most of the time is fun every time I get in the car. On long trips I drive hybrid, efficiently, and I don’t worry about plugging in. I have the maintenance of an ICE car so that’s the trade off. Kind of wonder if my engine won’t last longer as it almost only runs on the freeway and doesn’t run at all 90 % of the time.
@Molishious but the Toyota dealership is greedy beyond msrp:((
Yep 👍. i3 REx owner here. 120 miles on cheap home charging + 2 cylinder gas engine to keep battery charged on long trips. Absolutely BEST of both worlds. We save $2,500 each year on gasoline, and added only $600 to our annual electric bill. Toyota PRIME has the right formula for today.
I’ve just bought a flawlessly running 2012 Toyota Prius Hybrid with 230K miles on its original engine and battery for mere $3000 cash. The beautiful Prius Hybrid gets 45-50 miles per gallon and will last for another 20 years without new car payments for me.
If you do plan to keep it for 20 years, then plan on replacing the CVT and Battery pack. These both wear out eventually and will be the biggest expenses in repairs. The rest of the car, including the engine, will last for 20 years with proper maintenance. The Battery replacement you can do yourself, but the Battery will cost at least $3000. The CVT I recommend getting done professionally and do not get a used one off an old Prius because it will also have 200k+ miles on it. A fresh CVT will last 200k+ miles over 20 years.
Hybrids are the sweet spot. No range issues, great mpg and somwhere in the middle when it comes to pricing. Also Toyota.... so reliable!
Not for emissions and efficiency
we will see how reliable hybrids are
Hybrids are a sick joke if the morons had just put in a generator to feed the electrical system rather than keeping 100 year old tech like Ludites you could have better range and a lighter car.
@@michalandrejmolnar3715 I don't care!
@@alexanderkennedy2969 Non plug-in hybrids, according to consumer reports, are the MOST reliable. Least reliable, is plug-in hybrids.
Prius has been kicking ass since the second gen came out, sounds to me like the general public is just now realizing what amazing vehicle they are.
they should have brought the new one out years ago, the old version was too dated and they waited too long
Loved my gen. 2 Prius. Best car I had ever owned. Great mpg; great reliability; easy to maintain. In the 9 years of ownership the only part replaced was one of the headlights failed 7 years into ownership. And the dealership installed a new bulb for free and thanked me for my business.
The western has never cared about climate changes and Horrey ExxonMobil will hit a new world record again for its net profit while 99% of people around the world have to work 24 hours a day, 365 days a week to feed that fat cat on ExxonMobil. Congratulation to Americans who elects Democrat party.
kicking booty in what way? The prior 4 year sales numbers in the US were 36k, 33k, 59k, and 44k. Those aren't smash success numbers. It's less than the amount of Mustangs Ford sells. The ID.4 has only been out a few years and it outsells the Prius by a decent margin.
Then why have their sales dropped year over year?
Hybrid sales are higher partially because some model lines/trims are now hybrid only. The Toyota Sienna is only available as a hybrid. The upcoming Camry will also only be available as a hybrid. Basically, in some cases, buyers only have the option of buying a hybrid and nothing else.
I came here to say this. Also big sales players like the Accord and Lexus RX. Those are majority hybrid now. Of course hybrid sales will surge lol.
good
And hybrid are more fuel efficient anyway I’ll take a toyota any day
That's because there are more demands for them. If they wanted a gas only car there's still plenty of options. Camry's sale has been slowing down comparing to the SUV counterpart like the RAV4 which is available in all options. As a Tesla owner I see the benefit hybrid such as the availability of gas stations vs Tesla super chargers when I need it and not needing to wait 20 minutes to charge up.
And people still want them. If they didn’t want the hybrid then they won’t buy it. The new Camry will most likely be a sales king for Toyota
Sept. 2022 my wife and I rented a Tesla for a trip from Chicago to Orlando and back. One of the things I learned is that, with a Tesla at least, we could make the trip in slightly more car time than with one of our regular hybrids. The adjustment was centering all activities like potty and food stops in combination with a charging session since the charging session took 5x as long and needed to be done about every 210 miles as opposed to every 240 for gas stops (in our vehicles). My takeaway from this is that charging infrastructure along highways shouldn't be thought of as something that is a standalone place like a gas station but rather an add-on to places that already want customers to stop there like restaurants and roadside attractions and should also be common at rest areas. It also doesn't seem practical for suburban areas let alone urban areas to try to meet a significant part of the charging demand with public chargers so finding a way for a large portion of the public to charge the vehicles where they live will be a limiting factor. As for me, if I buy a new vehicle in the next year or two, it will be a plug-in hybrid that can travel in EV mode for a minimum of 40 miles. I also signed a contract this morning to put an EV charger in my garage.
Out of curiosity, what vehicles have you owned that could only go 240 miles of highway driving. None of my dailies have had a range of under 400 highway miles. My F350 has a 29-gallon tank good for 640, which I've used/verified several times on trips from central VA to Ohio, AL, and GA.
@@Noah_E 2010 Prius and 2017 Rav4 Hybrid. The Rav4 gets 31 mpg with an 11 gallon tank and the prius has a 10 gallon tank and gets about 45 mpg. Technically both could go much more than 240 miles but then the Tesla can technically go more than 210 miles. I was speaking of how far I would go in the real world factoring in things like how close I would be willing to get to empty and where the gas stations with the best prices are. When fast charging, the Tesla doesn't want to go much above 80% full and tries to time the stop so the battery is between 15% and 20% and it could go a little over 200 miles on that 65% to 70% of the full capacity. Tesla vehicles are always talking to their network of fast chargers so they will avoid stops where all the chargers are in use and will know if the vehicle needs to charge above 80% to comfortably make it to the next planned charging stop. I do have to give them props for having a well maintained and planned out network of DC fast chargers. Not a whole lot of other car makers manufacture cars that can make good use of DC fast chargers and, while the the network is adequate, it is not as well maintained and you don't know in advance if there will be a wait for one before arriving at the chargers plus you might find vehicles that can only charge at a level 2 rate connected to the one fast charger at a charging station leaving several level 2 chargers unused.
I wonder what % of the public has a garage to put a charger in and if they have money to do so in the first place….i really don’t know the numbers on that
@@Noah_E Prickup trucks and brodozers are outliers with big tanks.
yeah infrastructure is also a big issue, there aren't enough stations and locations, even after adding them at Walmart and gas stations, which causes people to hesitate about buying EV, on top of the cost issue, so they choose to buy hybrids instead, we are years behind in building out what is necessary
PHEVs make sense for people without stable housing. For example, my son, who is in college, first year, charging on campus was free. Next year is was so expensive it was the equivalent of $7.50/gal, so he bought gas. The next year he was renting a house and charged on 120v without issue and didn't use any gas that year. The next year he's in an apartment without the ability to charge and is mostly using gas again.
Toyota is playing the long game with their Hybrid cars and Solid state battery research. Everyone else is chasing trends hoping to find a pot of gold at the end. I think Toyota has the right idea and is focused on the customer.
If you believe that Toyota is within a hundred miles of any kind of commercially available solid-state battery I have some excellent swampland for you
If you cannot compete with probably the only car manufacturer which is making profit from EVs, e.g. Tesla, you'll probably just go bankrupt. Hence it is very difficult to change.
@@rkan2Tesla can't even sell 1/7 of Toyota does globally. And Tesla sales figures are already falling apart in Q1 2024 while they don't sell a lot in the first place. It's not going anywhere. EVs are a hoax.
@@rkan2 LOL I bet that when Toyota gets into the EV market your beloved Tesla market share and value will shrink rapidly.
@@WAN2TREE4 I am waiting for the moment... I am sure it will happen when they figure out how to do batteries for cars in Japan. It is not like they are void of knowledge, after all Tesla started with Panasonic cells. However, if you never make the investment like Tesla and others have, you shouldn't expect to get ahead. You'll just be left to buy from others which is the current problem with most traditional automakers. The profit goes away that way unless you are really really clever.
I live in an Apartment with no chargers. I have nothing against EV's, but I'm not going to drive around and wait at a charging station. Also, I like to take long road trips, EV's would add A LOT more time for driving.
All you really need is a block heater plug/ regular outlet with extension cord. I'm sure a million+ dollar building will have outlets somewhere in the parkade. Refuel while you sleep
You're a good example of a demographic who would be a very poor fit for current EVs. The more home charging someone has available, and the less they road trip like a trucker, the more an EV makes sense for them. What makes me chuckle is single family home suburbanites that drive 50 mile commutes every day and road trip a long weekend once every 3 years acting like EVs just wouldn't work for them. The vast majority of people with range anxiety that buy an EV learn that their range anxiety was unfounded, an experience I've heard over and over.
@@f-lw8kmIf a Landlord will even allow that. Also I wouldn't feel comfortable using my own charging out in public. Apartments are pretty dangerous theres always shady people around.
@@thatoneotherotherguyMost people don't own a home compared to those that do. EVs are pointless and will be for a very long time until they replace gas stations with EV stations and then some. Not to mention many have MULTIPLE cars for one household. That would take ages to charge and a lot of fkin electricity. EVs even for households arent good.
In your current circumstance, no, it wouldn't make sense getting an all out EV. The non plug in hybrid would work just fine if not a full out ICE. However, later down the road, when your lifestyle changes, maybe you'll be able to get something else that requires less maintenance...
Who would have thought that a Japanese company with almost 90 years of history would be able to make sound strategic decisions? Nobody actually interested in the industry is suprised by this. They are the largest automotive manufacturer in terms of units sold and also in terms of revenue for a few years within the last decade (usually them or Volkswagen). They are a truly global brand with a major foothold on ALL continents and with the corresponding diverse range of models (e.g. Tacoma for North America and Hilux Champ for South East Asia and Africa).
They are quickly losing market share in China because they went full anti-EV.
How come Tesla has the safest and most popular car in every country in the world?
You miss the point of EV.
Toyato the company that makes LESS net profit than Tesla and has been selling fewer cars every year for 5 years running.
@tedmoss I think only in your mind😂
The hybrid will offer you the best of both worlds, I think. The stress level concerning the "range anxiety crap" goes to zero. I live from home with a 53-mile electric range (Prius Prime 2023) on battery (EV mode), and I know that with a full gas tank, I have another 433 miles standing by in case of complete discharge by the battery (EV/HV mode). I usually charge the battery at 85%, but if I expect a longer trip the next day, I will charge it in full. I do have around 3200 watts of extra juice in my home solar panels for this task. It's perfect for me since I live on an island, and if we get hit by a hurricane, our gas and electric infrastructure will go back to the beginning of the 19th century for months, literally. I don't recommend anybody to buy a specific vehicle, but what I do recommend is to do your research based on your situation. In my case, I am more than happy with my red supersonic Prius, plus the vehicle looks like the "sporty version" of a Power Ranger's mobile.
My next vehicle was going to be a Tesla. However, I've decided I will be getting a 2025 Toyota Camry instead. Those are only offered as a hybrid, and I'm ok with that.
I think you made the right choice. I've seen a lot of people complaining about their experiences with Tesla, specifically quality and customer service. I personally know someone who got one in 2023 and there were several issues that were difficult to address.
Good choice. My tesla was a lemon. It's getting bought back
0:59 I blame a few factors for this is I worked for 3 years in the Industry 1. Software issues 2. Service issues 3. Markups at non Tesla locations 4. Employees not knowing benefits enough to sell more 5. So many newer models coming out that people are and were waiting (Cybertruck, Hyundai Ioniq 5 N, etc) 6. Charging infrastructure for non tesla can be sketchy and plain out not work 7. People can’t qualify for higher monthly payments even if it might end up being less when you factor in maintenance and gas saving 8. They don’t own homes to charge at or live in an apartment 9. Not all companies get the Federal $7500 back so some are waiting for manufacturing in the US. By 2026, Hyundai will make their cars in GA 10. Some EV companies choose not to sell a lot since they are losing money with each sale 11. Dealerships markups for ALL cars
hyundai KIA EVs cost $60,000 to replace battery.
@@tocreatee5736 that too
Ban markups
@@CoasterGaming I agree. My cousin works in a dealership. They make 25% of the markup
The western has never cared about climate changes and Horrey ExxonMobil will hit a new world record again for its net profit while 99% of people around the world have to work 24 hours a day, 365 days a week to feed that fat cat on ExxonMobil. Congratulation to Americans who elects Democrat party.
"Plug in hybrid, might be the worst of three options"...the hell are you talking about it. Its THE BEST option out of the three
Yes PHEV is the best option of all. I have one ('23 BMW X5 45e), it is amazing
It is the worst if you consider that you have all the problems of ICE (high maintenance) without the benefits of the ICE (zero maintenance). Additionally, you're paying for two drive trains when you only need one (electric). There's plenty of supercharging infrastructure, especially with a 100% American made Tesla.
The best option is a good EV. Not brain destroying exhaust particulates. No oil changes, no spark plugs, no transmission, etc.
@@T1Oracle Best as far as emissions and maintenance are concerned. Not necessarily best for practicality for a lot of people. I bought a hybrid for my latest vehicle because I often have to take longer road trips along routes that don't have charging stations. As battery technology improves and infrastructure catches up, then yes, EVs are the future.
@@tcphll how long can you drive without stopping to pee? Do you sleep? Can you adjust your sleep and nap at a charger? People are too quick to reject change. Your brain cells deserve it.
I drive a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV and I drive it everyday close to 75 kilometers on battery and then it turns to the hybrid system. Mitsu gave me 10-years warranty on battery and powertrain. I am really happy.
Our 6 year old Mitsubishi Outlander has performed well, 110 000. I keep gaz receipts and calculated all through the years, we averaged 5,5 litres/km per year. Of course in winter we burn more gaz. We have the battery optimization every 25 000 km, it makes a difference. But it is inevitable, there is some battery degradation. When we need another battery how much will it cost? I dont know. Can the suv still perform even if the battery is less active? I dont know. If the battery replacement cost are too much, we might get a regular hybrid next time instead of the PHEV version. But we like very much PHEV's
Toyota made hybrid reliable and it’s been on sale for 10 years for ppl to know battery replacement isn’t overly expensive. Tesla has made ev expensive to fix and all manufacturers have expensive battery replacements. So they also tank in resale.
A Prius plug in hybrid has a battery size of only 4 kWh vs a model 3 with a size of 60-80. You have to compare apples to apples dude. Of course it’s going to cost more because the battery is bigger
its because within 10yrs they don't even make that battery anymore and is not compatible with the new battery tech at that time.
@@spence2294 for most ppl it's a question of being able to budget $8-20k to replace vs small increments for gas and 3k for a hybrid battery or they can still use the car as a gas only, the choice is easy for most Americans
@@NPAMike Toyota gives a 10 year or 150k mile warranty. So Toyota will make batteries. Another reason to go Toyota hybrid.
@@anotheranwell you can factor in years of saving on fuel. It costs like $10 to charge an ev vs filling an ice is $40-60 at least. Over 10 years I’d imagine that difference in battery cost is going to equalize
Simple for me as I live in Rural Montana where there are no Charging Stations and Electricity is very expensive. I would go through a full battery charge just to get to a Town. Also look at the cost to Insure an EV, when I looked at a Tesla a few years ago the price was over 2x that of my Prius. love my 2017 Prius.
Also EVs batteries die in winter. It kills battery internals no just charge. Musk Rat doesn't like talking about northern states.
Totally agree with this, I am in a similar situation, but I live in an apartment. I wanted to get a Bolt or a Leaf but I wouldn't be able to charge it where I live. There's a Tesla charging station near me so I looked into Tesla and the insurance was through the roof 2.5x more than the Toyota Hybrid I happily settled with.
Those insurance costs are due to EV haters around the world... eg, Tesla Germany have had more than 1 arson attack and cars are being set on fire intentionally..... then there is KZhead hate channels, eg, trying to claim a 2015 diesel was an EV in the London airport fire and so on.... Mainstream media getting paid 100`s of millions to report misinformation.
Meanwhile here in Spain electricity costs have gone negative for the first time in history. Renewable energy has started to pay for itself as Europe has been adopting more clean energy.
I have an EV. Tires cost more than electricity and about 50% the cost of gas. 10 years of oil changes cost about $800. The cost of the EV charger is $1600 including installation. Insurance costs more too.
I have a Prius Prime, and four years later, I'm very happy with it. I plug it in and charge it every night and the gas engine never turns on most days. But you don't contend with any of the drawbacks of EVs for long distance travel. If you have the right use case, like living close to work, they can be a real winner.
I'm currently an eager buyer who'd like to go EV now. However, I have.a tow requirement. Currently, there's exactly one truck that meets my needs, and it's not even out yet. I was hoping that Rivian would announce a R2T on March 7th, but they didn't. So, while I'm a cash-in-hand buyer, the industry does offer what I need at an affordable price. Lack of public charging infrastructure, especially in the eastern and southeastern US, is another big problem. I travel all across the continent, and the lack of charging infrastructure the further east you go in the US is jarring. There are more DC fast chargers in one little mill town in BC that I regularly visit (6K-7K population) than in the entire area surrounding one of the largest universities in Georgia! I just returned from a trip where I rented a Chevrolet Bolt EV for a week. I drove from Seattle to Merritt, BC. I had zero issues finding a charger when and where I needed one. The units were operational and I only had issues twice over the week. The first was an ICE vehicle parked one of two spaces at a charger. The other was when a single soace BC Hyro DCFC was occupied. Lastly, when I do go EV,, public chargers are rarely set up as drive through ; something that's a requirement for towing.
Why haven't you looked at a Cybertruck? It has a range extender coming out this year which will put its range at 470 miles. Even with towing you would have a range that would allow you to go 3+ hours driving at a shot. As far as public charging infrastructure, just look at the Tesla supercharger map in your area and I guarantee there are lots of options even outside of charging at home.
@@ajberge Firstly, more options are needed for decarbonizing trucking (including pick-ups). As for Cybertruck, at least four things: 1) Design - I loathe how the Cybertruck looks. 2) Cost - *Estimated* MSRP starts at $76,390 for an AWD model with 340 miles range (again, marketing figures). 3) Delivery - Tesla are taking orders for 2025 delivery. With initial deliveries more than 2 years overdue, no delivery window specified less than a year, deliveries currently halted, and total deliveries to-date in the 3,500 range, that's way too risky. 4) Bed space and payload reduction for Tesla's "range extender". This is beyond brain-dead. Secondly, notice that I specified "pull-through" as a requirement for charging tow vehicles. Having to unhitch, charge, then hitch up again is a huge PITA!
Look at the electric Silverado. 4WT is 80k, though that is the base MSRP. probably they are asking for more than that. but the point is it's the only truck that will do 250 miles on a charge while towing 6500lbs. The others are between 100 and 150 miles towing the same load and they're about as expensive.
@@delusion2987 I'm well aware of all the offerings that are either our or planned. The problem with the Silverado WT are both price and availability/delivery. My ideal truck remains the RAM Ramcharger 1500. 143 miles BEV range, 690 miles total range. With towing, 1/2 to 2/3 of those figures. Again, the issue is availability/delivery. The RAM REV (300/500 mile BEV) is 2025, with the Ramcharger later next year.
I've been preaching this for years now. Plug-in hybrids are the way to go. You get the best of both worlds. I own a Chevy Volt and and I can get 40 miles of pure electric range and all I have to do to charge it is plug it in to a standard 120V outlet to fully charge it overnight. The battery is much smaller and lighter as well. 40 miles might not seem like a lot, but it fulfill all of my daily driving needs. The ICE engine rarely ever kicks in. Plus, if I need to go on a long trip. It runs just like a ordinary gas car.
It's double the maintenance costs. Prius batteries are $10,000 to $17,000 to replace, while the ICE engines are another $6000 to replace. Both will wear out in time.
RAV4 Prime over here! Let’s go….places!
Totally agree.
@@heyaisdabomb Toyota knows how to make engines. You keep up with oil changes they /will/ make 300k miles no problem. Batteries on the plug-in hybrids are much smaller and cheaper than full-EV batteries.
@@heyaisdabomb if ICE engine doesn't get used as much the maintenance costs wouldn't double
Toyota is a very conservative company. So it's no surprise they're very slow to adopt EVs. It's not a bad thing since they need time for consumers and their employees to become well versed with them as to not flood the market with products that aren't ready to be at the level of Toyota's high standards.
It's true. They rushed the BZ4X out the door and the wheel fell off.
They also were pushing for hydrogen fuel cells, as the Japanese government really wanted that technology to take off.
Conservative although they were first to the party with hybrids, which was bold. They were conservative with the switch to EV because they could see that they could still extract more out of hybrids.
If you look up Toyota's 1:6:90 rule for EV's you'd see why they're warry of full battery electric EV's
“First company to produce hybrids is slow to adopt new technology”. Pretty bold statement.
Don't forget cost. People see the benefits but can't afford most EVs. Finally we're seeing smaller more affordable EVs announcements. It's price more than anything.
For people living in a city apartment like me, the infrastructure is not there. It would be a hassle to add another stop at charging station between work and home; this is a major setback for buyers like me that wish to get an EV but its not a practical for the moment, even in California. I'll still be driving my beloved old Prius, practical, reliable and cheap all in one
As a driver of a 2010 Prius, currently on an xB - the 2024 Prius is a huge step up! Can't wait to get one lol
We liked our 2010 Prius until the year it seemed to become magnetized. First, a driver flinched from a car turning in front of him and sideswiped our Prius. Within a few months a deer ran out of the woods and into the driver's door. A couple months after that it was parked in a supermarket lot when a young woman drove her Pathfinder into the lot. According to the witness (a doctor) she was doing okay, looking for a parking spot when she drifted right, coming against our rear fender. Then the vehicle went full throttle, turning our car about 90 degrees. The witness was able to break the passenger window and turn off the ignition; the driver was still seizing when the ambulance arrived. It didn't make the news, but if our car were not in the way - handicapped parking nearest the store - the Pathpuppy would have rocketed into the entrance where Girl Scouts were selling cookies. It would probably have been the most horrible accident in living memory in Flagstaff. That doctor was a true hero! BTW - our daughter recently bought a 2022 Prius. She is completely satisfied, except for the Blind Pedestrian warning sound.
Yeah I like the 2010 Prius too just got as a gift since it had bad rear wheel bearings and needed new tires at 99k miles also will need a new battery at 40% at this point.... but if you still have it please get the EGR system cleaned in order to avoid the headgasket issue that happens a lot on 3rd gen Priuses ... Also have a 2005 Scion tC 180K miles and original owner and 2014 Subaru Outback 132K miles now and original owner ... will keep the Outback as a family trip car mostly... but at least driven at. least once a week locally...
@@haywardkong1213 Curious, what happens to the 3rd gen Prius EGR valves/ system to warrant a cleaning interval? I ask because my dad has a 3rd gen prius and had to replace the engine at 230k miles. He's still driving it, original everything else. My older sister has his old 2009 Prius and it has almost 300k miles on it now, only thing replaced has been the catalytic converter due to theft. Prius are tough cars.
Love my Toyota Corolla Hybrid - reliable, great on gas (fill up once a month for ~$30), and I never have to worry about plugging it in. Gas stations are everywhere, chargers not so much.
Chargers are everywhere now and more are coming.. but doending on how much someone drives every day I still may recommend a hybrid. (for now)
Before I owned a Tesla, I didn’t realize how many supercharging stations are HIDDEN. Wherever you may be, the Tesla car tells you where the closest supercharging stations are and how to get there. People who don’t own Teslas are largely unaware of these hidden supercharging stations.
I also have a hybrid corolla and love it. I bought it right when they hit the market because I wasn't happy with the EVs that were available. I was hoping to trade it in as soon as (non tesla) EV prices got more competitive, but they haven't.
i travel 200km or what americans would say 124 miles each day and yet my tesla still somehow managed to get me back home weird isn't it ? i also did a 900km road trip in a country with a grand total of 82ish superchargers (Australia) in my rwd standard range model 3 yet SOMEHOW I've never had range anxiety or have some issue finding a charger lmao ? in a country like America where what there's at least 22k superchargers alone not including the ridiculous amount of other chargers like electrify America and what not I REALLY do not see how this is an issue. is this like an old person joke or something ?
Every garage is a charger. Do you have a gas station at home?
While EV companies are slashing prices, Toyota's hybrid cars have increased in value by $5000! And Toyota being Toyota, the resale value has remained strong. With hyrbids, you dont have to worry about running out of charge, because as the petrol engine is on, the car is also recharging its battery! When on the highway, the car will automatically turn the EV mode on so you dont lose petrol while driving on the highway as the car is running using the charged battery. Less time to refuel means savings and no need to wait hours to charge your car, so its a win-win solution.
No one talks about insurance cost (plus tires). I compared Model Y to CR-V hybrid, and it turned out that riding CR-V will cost $1000 less (if gas prices will be around 4.50) in a span of 2 years.
That's the problem... with new cars now they are going for more low profile tires which is just bad... and the only reason is because of looks... now the the Prius 23/24 models use low profile tires and are charge to get a hold of now.... I really dislike going low profile tires and it's all for the looks and it's all going because of sales trends..
The insurance on our EVs is no more expensive than the insurance our ICE cars. People who get huge insurance quotes for EVs must have horrible driving records.
@@chiplangowski3298 I'm with Geico. I just took a quote for adding a new Tesla Model Y and a new CR-V. I have a good driving record.Tesla's quote was $1250 for 6 months and CR-V's - $516.
@@AlexanderSuleymanovFX - I have State Farm. My Tesla Model Y is $115 per month ($690 for 6 months). Since the Tesla is a $50k car and the CR-V is a $35k car, the pricing is similar.
Funny, insurance on my Tesla is less than my used Subaru (USAA is great car insurance though).
Toyota Hybrid now has better resell value. Track record of reliability for 10-15 years and affordable to replace. The US consumers enjoy long road trip across states, so a hybrid is more convenient for them. Europe is a different market.
Also hybrids would work better in the cold winters of Canada and some of the states
Whatever Toyota does for reliability for all its vehicles is something the US makers need to copy. If they can. I have a Toyota truck pushing 200k and it never has serious problems!
The idea that someone would buy a plug in hybrid and then just not plug it in is hilarious
I love how all the predictions they had from 10 years ago are completely wrong yet in this video they say production is expected to double within just a few years. Decent reporting overall but these projections are just hilarious to me. Just keep your car or hybrid or whatever. If people don't buy these EVs production is going to stay around a niche level.
Nobody understands mobility better than Toyota.
From Atlanta to Chicago in a rented Toyota Sienna with AWD. 40 on the highway, 33 in the city, and 35 on average. No plug-in charging or a building for cover is needed despite the temperature. It's not the biggest or most powerful, but well balanced.
I live in rural Illinois and drive a '23 Model Y. It's been a great car with no range issues. Unless I am driving to say, Boston, or my son's college, I never need to DC fast charge. Hybrids aren't a short term solution for drivers, but for car manufacturers who just can't design decent enough EVs to be able to make a profit.
There is a convenience factor with PHEV’s that I find very appealing. Plugging in at home over night is very convenient and I now go to the gas station about once a month. Of course it depends on your driving style but for me it is much more convenient to avoid trips to the gas station.
I am with you. I have always hated going to the gas station. Charging at home is great. With my PHEV ('23 BMW X5 45e) I go to the gas station about once every 2 months when just doing city driving. I have mine set to default to pure EV mode.
Petrol in America is the cheapest in the world . Makes complete sense . Try where I live . Paying $8 a gallon
Europe ?
Yup, the US barely taxes gasoline. Guess who wants to maintain such a low tax rate?
@@easyroc75yes, in the Netherlands road taxes about 60-100USD per MONTH on top of 8 USD a gallon. Buyers tax on a new car about 5-10.000 USD for an avarage car. I mean
In Denmark the car tax is %180. If you tried that in the US there would be a revolution.@@frankbaars1880
@@David.77Motorists.
They are not wrong most people are not ready for Evs or are priced out if they are. It’s just facts.
not only price , charging is a big issue
Look at model available with different power trains like the Kia Niro and within a couple of years used EVs and Hybrids are the same price.
The biggest factor, imo, is that there are very limited EV choices in the U.S., and the cheapest are around $40,000+! Not everyone can afford that.
The second biggest factor is that if you rent, you have to get your landlord to install a charger for your EV, assuming you have access to a garage and/or assigned parking space. If you only have city street parking, who provides charging, the landlord or the city? The issue of range for EVs for a renter is really capacity between recharging. How long can I go without being forced to go to a public charging station, where I may have to sit and wait for 4 hours waiting for a week's worth of capacity?
That's not correct. The cheapest (and best/most American made) EVs are Teslas. You can get a Tesla model 3 right now for $35,00 before the tax credit.
@@DMahalko The landlords will be in trouble eventually if not offering EV charging to tenants. Question is how many people renting an apartment in a city also have a car? Norway is a small country, but when looking at the percentage and where we are headed it is clear that offering charging is fast becoming important. At the end of 2023 around 24% of all cars on the road in Norway are BEVs and 9 of 10 new cars sold are BEVs. I think the big issue in the US is total cost of ownership. Fuel prices are low enough so the higher up front cost of an EV is to much. In Europe fuel is more than 7 USD/gallon mostly. Another problem is the fairly expensive home charging setup needed in the US due to its electrical system being 120/240V single phase. Most homes in Europe have access to 3 phase 400V so getting a good charging solution is cheaper.
@@ajberge $3500. ????
@@ajberge The Model 3 is just under $39,000. And there is no federal tax credit for it since the battery cells use a forbidden source.
I drove from Chicago to Austin and back in a 2021 standard range model 3 (loaner). It honestly was about equivalent to the ICE car I had a year prior (2022 corolla hatchback) as far as time traveling. Was stopping at a super charger about every 2 hours which worked out well. Car plans out via route planner where the next stop will be to charge at. We had time to stretch our legs, use the restroom, and eat all while the car was charging. So less stops for rest areas. Honestly camp mode was a nice feature to have too. Posted up at a rest area 10 miles from the next super charger and slept with camp mode. Its not the safest sleeping in a car but it made the night more comfortable without needing to get a costly hotel. The Toyota dealerships near me rarely have plug in hybrids available. The one near me has a Rav 4 prime listed for over 50k. Its just a tough sell because I can get a brand new dual motor model 3 for a decent amount less. Or a 2021+ one with full self drive for around 37k. I live in a dense city so charging isn't an issue for me I can see how it can be for some. But having traveled across the US in a reasonable amount of time, I can say the Model 3 is the best option for anyone getting into EV's.
I have been driving my Prius Prime for 4 years, I charge it daily at home, and only need to pump gasoline once every 2 to 3 months! Oil change once every 10,000 miles or once per year. (I do it the same time as the yearly inspection) I am planning to buy another plug-in Hybrid.
Exactly. In 5 years of ownerships that like 5 oil changes. No big deal.
I like plug-in-hybrids done in a right way. They cover most of the commute in EV and has gas when needed and efficiently.
Honestly, for some of us a battery the size of a plug in hybrid and NO engine would be great if that saved some $$$. BEVs really have too much range for many of us, that we don't need to pay for and lug around. The Volt was decently done as a plug in hybrid, it at least was always driven by the electric motor and used the engine as a generator, both thus were able to operate where they were most efficient. The Prius is a bit of an overly complex nightmare of maintenance.
Love my Prius until one morning when I started up the car, it sounded like a Chinook helicopter. I did a google search to find out why and realized the price of Rhodium went up to nearly $30,000/oz. Thank God it's now $4,700/oz. Hopefully it won't go up again to $30K as it wasn't fun to replace my cat.
Im a Chevrolet Volt Gen 2 owner and i was very much disappointed and curious why chevy decided to discontinue this awesome line up. Now i feel encouraged hearing general motors is planning to restart this model. Looking for the new models...
Toyota called this years ago, and they are being proven right again
Yes that's why the Tesla Model Y, a fully electric brand, dethroned any Toyota model by number of sales last year... because hybrids are the future 🤡
Toyota are failing badly in their main market, China. Hydrids will fade in the coming decade.
@@maximusasauluk7359they're not but toyota was better at predicting the market seeing the ev sales crash. For the same kwh, you can put 10 hybrids out or 1 ev, Those 10 plug in hybrid with close to 50 miles of ev range almost never need refueling and you reduce carbon emission by 10x or 1000% using stuff we have now and alot less resources. Toyota is still building out battery capacity with partners but they're using it to build 10x more plug in hybrids and as more capacity comes online which they're building aggressively, they'll switch over more and more over EVs until they're all electric
@@maximusasauluk7359let’s wait until the government stop providing tax credits. It’s not an equal fighting ground
@@NadeemAhmed-nv2br and yet...it didn't predict the initial EV market boom, making it among top brands the last one to start getting into the market. Being last is not good for any company trying to profit in capitalism. Also, people talk about this topic as if EV technology bas reached it's peak or something... not even in the slightest. In the coming years (sooner rather than later) sodium and solid state batteries are coming to mainstream. Car manufacturers are switching to platforms designed for EVs (yes, most current EV sellers use the same processes and factories that make ICE cars and then basically just shove a battery inside, not very efficient). The market in battery and EV magnets recycling is expected to grow. Don't forget new competition, there's already planned EV models that are on par or cheaper than ICE cars, like the Renault 5 or Dacia Spring. Etc. All these measures will reduce prices and make it more environmentally friendly. The transition has only just begun baby. I find it amusing people say it's failed already when the percentage of EV ownership hasn't even began to take off in most places, despite the industry expecting that it absolutely will.
I recently drove Camry Hybrid with 3 passengers from Sacramento to Los Angeles and more than half way back to Sacramento, overnight, without filling up once. That is my main issue with EVs - range. Not enough range and too few properly working chargers outside of California. 700-800 mile range for EVs, and not estimated range, but a proper tested range is when I would start considering going EV route. For now, nothing beats hybrid.
I completely agree. I have the 2022 Civic Hybrid in Europe and I'm happy with that and can do 450mi on a 40L tank.
There are chargers all over the US right now and Tesla even opened up their supercharger network to non-Tesla vehicles. In the time you stop to grab a bite to eat and use the bathroom, your car is charged and ready to keep going. I’m not saying hybrids aren’t a good fit for people but there is a lot of disinformation and exaggeration going on regarding EVs.
Your forgetting that this year, all EVs will have access to Teslas Supercharger network.
@@word42069 Even with supercharger speeds its still slower than taking a couple of minutes to throw some gas in your tank and also there will have to be a ton of them like gas stations before most people will consider switching to EVs and that's before the cost of buying an EV to begin with.
@@UzumakiNaruto_ I agree....I rarely stop longer than 5-10 mins when im traveling to fill up.. There is no way an EV is going to come close to that..
The F150 and Tundra really show the potential that hybrids have; you don’t have to sacrifice power for fuel economy, you can retain the ICE economy and just get more power and utility with it.
Doesn't matter how many EVs they make as they won't be sold until it satisfies the basic needs of most customers; e.g. purchase cost, access to charging points and speed of charging. Another issue not mentioned is whether the electrical infrastructure can support all these EVs being charged overnight.
Love my 2019 Prius Prime, charge to go to work for the short commute, only needs to fill up the 10-gallon gas tank about once per month. I drive from San Jose to San Diego in one tank without filling, a truly convenient car.
We have some of the highest EV adoption rates in the world here in the Netherlands. Our average trips are shorter. Our incomes high. Our willingness to pay for the environment high. And still… plug in hybrids are far better for practicality. Public charging on an EV costs as much per km as an efficient ICE car. Highway charging costs more. Chargers are often full here even though they’re on every street and it makes parking (temporarily) more convenient. Municipalities are resisting making EV charging at home in dense areas possible forcing people to expensive municipal chargers. Going full EV is still a niche. Not practical for a first car.
Same here in Denmark👍
Thank you for a realistic view.
Without a way to plug in at home, PHEVs would not be as good a choice as a regular hybrid. Even a long range EV would be better, with public DC charge session 1-2 times per week.
@@georgepelton5645 I consider PHEVs pointless, I would never choose one over a traditional hybrid or an EV. And if you don't have home charging available, a PHEV is completely and totally pointless.
@@georgepelton5645 Agreed, but additional to running costs the PHEV is often the cheapest model to purchase new (in stead of mild hybrid). Heavy CO2 taxes… Example: BMW X5 40i: €116.098,- BMW X5 50e: €99.922,- BMW X5M: €237.418,-
A plug in hybrid offers pretty much everything with no compromises. If you have a short ride to work and a place to plug in at home then you'll be mostly on battery. Regenerative breaking will capture a lot of your energy from stopping. For longer trips you have your ICE engine you can rely on and not have to worry about spotty public charging infrastructure. Lastly, a plug in hybrid isn't going to be negatively impacted by extreme cold nearly as much as a full EV. The Hyundai Santa Fe plug in hybrid is under 45K and can do about 30 miles on a charge which is, actually, more than I need for my commute usually.
Agree, no compromises on having the negatives of an ICE without the benefits of the battery. There's plenty of supercharger infrastructure for long road trips if you have a Tesla. Go google the Tesla supercharger map, there are tens of thousands of stations across the country and the car tells you where to go to charge!
That PHEV study was done on mostly company cars where the drivers were also given corporate fuel cards. There are quite a few of us PHEV drivers at work, and not only do we not have to do nearly the amount of maintenance as a regular ICE or MHEV, (timing chains, iridium plugs, oil changes once a year if that) but the km we put on the range extender is nearly nothing since we plug in like a religion. Of the 110k km I have on my PHEV about only 10% of that is on the range extender, other personally owned PHEV drivers have a similar experience. They are literally the best of both worlds for homeowners or people who can charge at work with a reasonable commute.
For personal use the phev seems like a no brainer to me, still some people got carried away with the TESLA propaganda and then learned the hard way that an electric car is not the way to go. The technology and infrastructure have not reached the right maturity level.
It's crazy to me that people are pushing for BEVs when PHEVs are clearly a better use of everyone's time and resources.
Whatever gets us to an all-EV future. I have zero complaints as an EV owner. Once someone goes EV, they’ll never go back. More EV drivers means more pressure for charging infrastructure. We just need to get that ball rolling.
@@PhantomWorks22I have an EV, and will have a second gas car for the next 10 years at least.
The western has never cared about climate changes and Horrey ExxonMobil will hit a new world record again for its net profit while 99% of people around the world have to work 24 hours a day, 365 days a week to feed that fat cat on ExxonMobil. Congratulation to Americans who elects Democrat party.
Hybrids don't leave you stranded when you run out of juice
So you keep driving when they run out of fuel and battery?
800,000 people run out of gas every year!!! Run out of juice???
That's just a bad statement...
EVs also don't leave you stranded if you use the Infotainment system or Google or iOS apps for cars.
Gasoline isn’t infinite
I learned today that my nearby neighbor has a BYD Song hybrid and their apartment is their vacation home. Their actual home is 1022km away and the car runs the whole trip without refueling, with still 30km left on the battery. Amazing, considering it's all motorway driving. "No reason to buy an EV, this car can go more than 1200km without stopping. It's also a perfect city EV. " Another thing I learned, he used to work in Ningde which is the home of CATL battery company, and the Chinese name of the company is The Era of Ningde.
I honestly think plug ins should be the stop gap because its really the best of both worlds
I owned my Tesla for nearly 3 years. I found far too many compromises with owning a EV and travelling. Was great for going to and from work. Switched over to a hybrid and found my perfect vehicle. I won’t own another EV.
Same with me except I owned 2 Hyundai EVs over 4 years.
EVs are however more energy efficient and therefore less of a burden on the grid and also less vulnerable to scalability of eFuels. Without eFuels working and being actually produced hybrids don't offer near zero emissions.
For the ways in which most americans use their cars, I think the plug-in hybrid is optimal. Use it as an EV for the typical commuting / groceries / errands trips (which is how many of us use our cars most of the time), while not having to cope with the travel delays and disruptions needed for charging an EV during a long trip.
Absolutely agree. It's a bit more expensive, but it's a lot of vehicle in return. Especially if you use the combination and can charge at home. Pulling big miles out of a tank of gas is an amazing feeling, and not waiting in a cue to charge on a busted slow-ass charger means more time for TV at home. And resale is great, as a used buyer chases the same convenience even if the battery is a little tired.
No, they are not get a Tesla. You won’t regret it. See the problem with plug-in hybrids is you have two systems that usually fail so it’s gonna cost you twice as much money not to forget you still need oil changes. You still need transmission flushes head gaskets break, get a Tesla man I’m telling you, I was skeptical until I got one. My world is changed. They are awesome and I never have to do any maintenance so I save a ton of money.
@@walterwhite1 Teslas are horribly overpriced. I see you have never owned a Prius hybrid. No transmission flushes; drain and fill occasionally. Reliability Tesla can not come close to matching, as well as more support. If we had a Tesla with a bad charging port (a common failure, and it is noticed when the battery is down) we would have to get it flat-bedded nearly 200 miles to the nearest authorized repair location. Then we would have to get a ride there when it was repaired, so we could pick it up. The car might or might not be able to get us to see our daughter 300 miles away; little in the way of chargers from here to there. We bought our current 2014 Prius for $14,000 four years old. A new Tesla model 3 is four times that. Or, you could try to buy a Tesla in Alabama, South Carolina, New Mexico, West Virginia, Kansas or Connecticut, where Tesla dealerships are forbidden.
Plugins are a scam due to slow charging speed! 😂
@@flagmichaelyou can’t compare the cost of buying a 6 year old car 4 years ago to a new Tesla now! And you can buy Tesla’s online, there are no dealers anywhere.
PHEVs are the best alternative to regular ICEs. They are good for people who can't charge their car at home AND they can be charged with green power from solar panels etc. at restaurants, shops, etc.
I wanted to get a plug-in, but then i learned that when the battery runs out of EV, the MPG is worst than a hybrid. (The extra weight is the main contributor).
that is when the battery completely dies, not when it's out of juice
On flat ground that is the case, but it is not that big of a difference (1 to 2 MPG). On hilly mountainous terrain though, the PHEV will still have the edge due to recharge. Trips in the Colorado mountains the PHEVs do much better, even with no charging (they are basically just a hybrid with a big battery at that point)
Analogy: 99% of sailboats have a small outboard engine to avoid getting stuck. PHEVs & Range Extenders are the sweet spot because then you'll never be hostage to public charging (stuck).
One thing that is often overlooked is that for the amount of raw materials that makes up the battery of one EV (often 60 kwh+), you can manufacture batteries for a few dozen hybrids (self charging hybrids like Prius often have really small batteries, ~1 kwh). The net effect on reducing carbon emissions is probably higher on hybrid if you look from this angle. Especially if you think about how many harmful materials go into making a battery.
USA is freaking huge, how do you expect people to buy vehicles that has 250 miles range when it is NOT winter temperatures outside? Everywhere where subsidies are pulled out, EV's are not selling. Even in Europe, EVERYWHERE.
Toyota Prius is popular in Japan because the car work as a power generator. It can provide electricity to houses in times of earthquakes.
So you are telling me they buy this specific car to use it as generator when a major earthquake happens which once in every 20 years that causes a minor power cut and only in small part of Japan, is this really the reason why its popular?
Prices are extremely high, repair costs are insane, range isn't good enough and where are most people going to charge them? I live in Chicago and so many people live in older apartments that do not have access to a way to charge a car. I can't even use an extension cord to vacuum my car out let alone charge my car.
These are the reasons why I'm holding off on EVs. I want to wait until at least there's a breakthrough in batteries, and the cost of a good new EV is under $30000 without tax credits.
Live in Chicago: no charge at home, few miles per day commute, no repair cost whatsoever. Tesla Model Y gives you such a piece of mind, I really don’t understand what you’re taking about
@@lorpall Ok now drive to Columbus Ohio to visit parents? Now drive from Chicago to Tinley Park every day for work. The drive from Chicago to Columbus takes about 5.5hrs, 8 plus if you need to charge. No thanks.
@@razorswc I don't disagree on waiting on EV's. They are not ready for the mass market yet and until they come up with a reasonable cost to replace batteries they won't be there. But you will probably never see the day a "good" new EV costs under $30k.
The Model Y is cheaper than a Hybrid Rav and CR-V 😂. What are you smoking?
Where was this 5 years ago. Everyone was talking EVs, but plug-in hybrids like Volts were denigrated. Now everyone is switching gears.
Because the comprises EVs had was too much for consumers to handle, like range anxiety.
There was optimism regarding the charging network being expanded. Other than Tesla, that hasn't come to fruition
everyone thought we reached the tipping point, but people aren't willing to pay $20k more for EV, this is a cost issue
@@Bremendand Tesla opened up their charging to all EV brands so how does this make sense?
Like “magic”. It was a narrative against hybrids for “macho” big trucks. Which is still the narrative overall, including SUVs.
Toyota‘s Power-Split hybrid is the most efficient hybrid system. General Motors has the Voltec system which is also very efficient, but gm needs to replace the old l2b ice.Maybe the GL8 Hev will make some changes.
Due to the lack of charging stations and very cold winters in several places, hybrids are the best choice for the US. However, when battery technology breakthroughs are available, the balance between EV, hybrid, and traditional fuel engine cards will eventually change.
Hybrid has been tested for years. The reliability has been proved. The problem is in the USA there is not much competition on hybrid and EV
The US also needs more infrastructure to serve EVs. Also, future projections show a majority of Americans becoming renters and currently renters have the worst living environment for having an EV.
@@ms.b9093 Right now 75% of people live in a home. I know a number of people who live in an apartment and they can charge. There are also supercharges in my neighborhood for people to power up. Future projections are wrong, Apartments only have to give plug in's at 110v, it is not difficult.
yeah this is a cost issue, people aren't willing to pay $20k more for EV, when a hybrid does the job already, we are not ready yet to switch over, the demand and reality are not possible
@@MyUniversalUniversity You can't drive very far every day if you only have a 1.4 kW home charging solution. Maybe 40-45 miles @ ~3.5 miles/kWh after 9 hours. Not sure if level 2 home charging at 120V is even a thing. All I've found are 240V and up to 50 amps. You really don't want to use a regular outlet and a portable unit as a permanent solution. Here in Norway they made it illegal to set up a regular 230V 16A Schuko outlet for use with portable chargers as a permanent solution. You have to get a fixed box with a Type 2 socket, and the proper fuse and protection behind it.
people in the USA are getting smarter...they know hybrid cars are a ripoff
I just traded in my 2022 Ioniq 5 EV for a 2024 Tucson hybrid. One of the reasons was it isn't cheaper to maintain. My Ioniq 5 EV needs a low conductivity coolant changed every 3rd year at a cost of $3,000.00. That's the equivalent of $1,000 per year; I've never spent even close to that on oil changes! Hybrids are better technology today.
However, in the case of Tesla: "Battery coolant: Your Battery coolant does not need to be replaced for the life of your vehicle under most circumstances." Taken from their online owners manual.
The mistake was Kia, not EVs.
@@dariemperez6833 Doesn't alter the fact that the 2022 Ioniq 5 EV's coolant must be replaced to maintain that warranty does it?
@@dariemperez6833 The Ioniq 5 isn't a boring Tesla design. What an irrelevant comment. It doesn't change the fact that low conductivity coolant must be changed and does cost $3,000.00
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I said it before and I would say it again, "hybrid make more sense over EV" you get the best of both worlds. One that has decades of engineering and research and one to help make the other better.
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People will happily buy EVs when they are superior in every way to gas cars. There is still tremendous compromises EV owners must make. Not so for the hybrid.
It's always surprised me that hybrids were completely overlooked as a stopgap solution to the vehicle/climate change problem. It boggles my mind that the concept hasn't crossed over to other vehicles like boats, cargo trucks, trains, etc. Especially cargo trucks, the single largest polluters on the roads, if all private drivers switched to EV overnight, we'd still have pollution problem thanks to semi-trucks.
Hence the reason for the Tesla Semi. Once the battery technology matures, something like the Tesla Semi could revolutionize trucking, especially the part about having plenty of power to go uphill and passing other trucks.
There are quite a lot of hybrid cargo trucks on the European market, even trucks with solar panels on the roof and sides that charges the battery on the road are in development. It's estimated that it gives an extra 5000-10 000 km/year for a truck (depending on location, some places are way sunnier than others...). Electric and hybrid ferries are common in at least northern Europe these days, they've been around for years. I've been at construction sites with hybrid and E-machinery (excavators, dump trucks and compactors), and a friend of mine is currently on a large construction site with all e-machinery. It's not common yet, but absolutly doable. Scania has electric, autonomous dump trucks for mining operations (diesel fumes are a problem in underground mines ofc), as does Volvo. They run in swedish mines and have been doing so for a couple of years. Trains are already electric, diesel fueled trains arn't runnig on diesel you know. The diesel runs a generator that produces electricity, that in turns run the train. But yeah, things happening there as well, there are trains in Germany that runs on hydrogen. In general though, I think you have it right. Not only because of pollution, but for economics. The savings a normal person makes by switching to EV is nothing compared to what an operator that uses their fleet of vehicles for 8 or 10 hours a day, every day, makes. There's a reason that every single taxi nowdays is an EV, at least where I live.
Prius 5th generation...😂
@@DG-hw8it what about it
They weren't so much overlooked, as manufacturers like Tesla built vehicles that performed better, and cost them less to make so if they sold for more got them higher profits. Something like a Prius is both boring, and overly complex to make and maintain. Yes, it's a taxi work horse around the world, so far from overlooked. But people who didn't drive that much didn't want to pay more for something like that. Pretty sure there's hybrid trains, trucks etc. Maybe less so boats. There are EV boats. But most smaller boats are that simple and don't travel that much that a hybrid system would pay itself back. And they lack the ability, generally, to regenerate energy. Hybrid vehicles largely rely on braking to regenerate their batteries, which only really works in city traffic. They're great at boosting city mileage, but kind of useless at freeway range boosting.
I've always argued that Toyota had the right strategy the whole time. The cost difference between a Toyota hybrid and it's gas only counterpart is only about $2500. The hybrid vehicle will use about 50% less fuel for regular drivers. If Toyota makes an EV, they use about the same battery resources as making about 65 hybrids. In terms of reducing emissions, it is far better to reduce the emissions/fuel consumption of 65 vehicles on the road by 50% than reduce the emissions/fuel consumption of 1 vehicle by 100%. Since the cost of a Toyota hybrid is only about $2000 to $2500 more, they will likely get that back in fuel savings in 2-3 years. Most people are unlikely to get their additional EV costs recouped at all.
A Rav 4 hybrid (no plugin in available here) vs a Kona EV are basically the same cost within $1k. I can't see why anyone would get the hybrid unless they had no ability to charge at home or regularly drove very long distances. The issue is batteries degrade based on cycles, so a larger battery will cycle less. Doubt it is actually 65x less battery in a hybrid, as that would mean it would wear out nearly 65x as fast if you were driving it optimally. Since the market seems to be cooling on EVs it no longer seems to be resource constrained, so that would have been a good argument a few years ago when the market was red hot during the pandemic, but then the supply chain seemed to be constrained by other electronics. Whether you get EV costs recouped depends on how much you pay for power, how far you drive, how much you pay for fuel, how long you keep the vehicle etc (and how much those cost into the future). If you aren't likely to get your costs recouped you probably drive very very little and there's a strong case for not buying a new car at all. Especially not a hybrid which has the most complex drive train and highest maintenance costs. There's an argument that they could make EVs with half the size of battery, and they would cost less than an ICE vehicle (many less parts, much less complex vehicles). And that would suit most people that don't actually go that far even in Australia or the US. But it seems like they first had to address the top end of the market because they were constrained just on the number of bodies they could build and so went for the highest profit margin which = big batteries.
@@peter65zzfdfh A RAV4 Hybrid vs Kona EV isn't a great comparison since the Toyota is quite a bit bigger (compact vs subcompact). Here in Canada, the Kona EV is $49,077 (or $53,877 for the upper trim). A RAV4 hybrid starts at $39.045 and there are 5 trims to choose from depending on the features you want, with the top trim being $50,015. A Toyota hybrid, while complex in terms of engineering, is not complex in terms of problems/reliability. They are the most reliable vehicles made. They are even more reliable than their gas only variants, which are also very good. Regarding battery resources, most hybrids use anywhere from 1.2 kWhr to 1.5 kWhr batteries. Most EVs typically have 80-100 kWhr batteries (or more in higher end vehicles). So Toyota could use about the same amount of battery resources to make 65 hybrids vs 1 EV. For now, the extremely high cost of batteries and the numerous challenges due to their chemistry, in my opinion, is a no go for now. If you're rich, and want to get one, have at it. Early adopters always overpay for the latest tech. I would say that EVs are still 5-10 years away from being "worth it" in terms of replacing traditional ICE vehicles. The battery technology needs to improve regarding cost, weight, thermal management while keeping charge times to a minimum and lifespan to a maximum. We'll get there, but we're not there yet. A new promising tech is solid state batteries, which Toyota plans to start launching in 3 years. Charging infrastructure will also need to improve.
6:34 "Wow, this is a really interesting video. Hold on... is this the street from the car chase in the original terminator?" XD
Product more priuses. They cost a lot in dealerships for some reason.
they cost a lot cause it sell too fast so dealership mark up the price to the moon
Plug-in hybrids are absolutely the best option. It doesn’t combine the worst of both of them. It combines the best. I really think this video messed up with that statement. That way we don’t need to build electric vehicles with 300 miles range and people only use 20% of that range on a daily basis which is an absolute waste.
You'd think so theoretically, here there's only a couple available and they cost more than similar EVs which is crazy. I guess paying for the second drivetrain is a bit of a cost, then there's maintenance. I think most people would be fine with just a shorter range EV. Less to go wrong, less parts, less maintenance. Especially as a second car. It's a shame one of the few hybrids to do it right, the Volt. Was discontinued. It at least had a simple 'generator' engine and the drive train was all electric. All the range of fuel without too much of the complexity.
@@peter65zzfdfh exactly my wife had the volt and then the Prius prime but now not more many cuz prices are inflated like you say. Before Covid plug in hybrids were much cheaper than EV
Now that Tesla is opening up its world-class SuperChargers to other cars, the public charging concerns should no longer be an issue for most people.
"4 states away, i don't want to take 3 days to get there"... i think the dude @8:30 is confusing EVs with electric bicycles.
Charging infrastructure also plays a big role as well. No matter how capable an EV may be, until the network is as capable as their ICE-counterparts, selling will always be less than expected.
Also, charging infrastructure outright ignores the needs of people who tow anything. Anyone who wants to tow anything at all would be stupid to ever get an EV
Well, lack of charging stations and the high price definitely discourage EV purchase. There is also the concern on battery safety and poor performance in cold weather. I live in LA where no cold weather issue, half of my neighbors drive EV and most of them leave the car out of garage and charge with a long extension cable. However, I don’t see any EV brands other than Tesla, MB, BMW, couple Porsche and Rivian, zero Korea, Ford, GM. I wish US let in Chinese EV since we allow comrade Vietnam to build VinFast in California why not Chinese? I would buy a BYD or NIO. I drove BYD Atto3 in Australia last month, very impressed.
BYD is beyond horrendous. The only reason they're "popular" is because the CCP is backing that company. Their reliability and safety ratings are very bad. I feel bad for anyone who gets sucked into buying ANYTHING Chinese. Their prices are low because the CCP is artificially holding prices down. The cars aren't good. Ask any Chinese citizen who has dealt with them. The CCP is extreme in not letting out bad news of their country on ANYTHING. You've been warned.
That's the Trump China tariff living on
We have an EV that we charge at home. The house already had a 120 volt plug next to the driveway. We can add about 75 miles overnight. Usually we top off the battery most every day. When we drive on vacation the Super Charger network charges the car up in about 45 minutes, and we never have problems with that. So we find the reported problems with EV's to be imaginary. Now that the prices of EV's are coming down, and the $7,500 credit is back, the EV value proposition is very strong.
The short video showing the Ford Mach-E going the wrong direction in the opposing traffic left turn land is quite the metaphor.
EV companies will price their cars the same as a cheap house and then get confused why sales aren't ramping up, especially during a recession...
Where are you buying a house for 40k-70k anywhere in the US or Canada? 😅
A Tesla M3 is selling for 33,500 now and around 2026 the M2 will be selling for 25k or less OEMs are screwed though they are 15 years to late to save themselves.
@@Barskor1 That's US pricing I assume? In Canada the M3 is over 56k and the F150 lightning is between 60k to over 100k.
@@maxwellward If you're not picky about age, you can find 50+ year old houses in areas like Niagara or Oshawa for around 100k-200k, still not that cheap but when a decent trim of the F150 lightning is near 90k then yeah....
@@maxwellward bad places in Baltimore, but it can be done
Toyota hybrid system utilizing planetary gears + electric motors therefore replacing typical CVTs makes itself even more reliable than non-hybrid cars simply because of its reduced number of parts
Not more reliable than an EV
@@michalandrejmolnar3715, actually, more reliable because the load is spread more evenly between the two powertrains. Despite the complexity, Toyota's hybrids beat out every pure-EV automaker for reliability.
@@michalandrejmolnar3715 EVs have the range issue right now, and there really sin't one that I am confident will go 200,000+ miles without needing a $20,000 battery.
@@flyingphoenix113 That's because Toyotas generally are more reliable than cars from other manufacturers
@@michalandrejmolnar3715 EVs aren't reliable...
Or encourage more public transit and eliminate a significant cost for many working people.
PHEVs bring the convenience of what one CAN. BEVs bring the restrictions of what one MUST. INMHO, full EVs serve as transition point to PHEVs, not the other way around.
I kind of see it that way too. BEVs also have to carry around a huge, expensive, and super heavy battery for range that most of the time is just dead weight. An additional smaller ICE for range is not very heavy, certainly cheaper than the extra battery, and fixes the entire charging anxiety problem
I do think one turnoff to any electric power or PHEV is that the listed range is very unrealistic. I say this as a happy owner of a PHEV. But the actual range versus the listed range is often a big shock to a lot of people. You ideally want to charge the battery between 20% and 80% to sustain its life. So if you do that, the range becomes 60% of the total listed, and that total listed was an unrealistically high estimate in the first place because the EPA consistently tests vehicles at low highway speeds (less than 50mph) and without the AC on. This isn’t because the EPA is trying to artificially make EVs and PHEVs look better than they are, but because they want to stay consistent in how they’ve tested vehicles for decades. And enough decades ago it was standard for some cars to not have AC or be capable of driving faster than around 60mph. I’d argue that they should change the way they test to more accurately reflect how people typically drive today, and call that efficiency measurement something else. The EV battery ranges will also go down a little with time even if one takes the best care of the battery. So that’s someone else that might offend people. An ICE car doesn’t really lose range over time like that.
The EPA changed the testing standards in 2008. Ever since then there's a cold weather test, a test which goes to 80 mph, and a test with the AC on. That's why the 2008 Prius has worse MPG (48/45) than the 2007 (60/51), even though they are the same car.
Rented the lowest price car on Expedia called a “Managers Special” for a 10 hour visit to relatives not knowing it was an ev. Asked them for a gas or hybrid when I got there and found out it was a Chevy Volt and they said they only had an SUV available if I didn’t take the Volt so it was a bait and switch trick. Had to leave early back to the airport after finding out it could take up to 2 hours to recharge it. Will never get tricked again and never rent an ev again. There’s a reason why Hertz is returning 20,000 Ed’s, including Tesla’s.
The chevy bolt is the cheapest ev you can buy. Newer evs can charge up to 7 times faster and have more range. Hopefully you get to try a nicer ev someday and have a better experience.
@@nathanielthelin1051 You are confusing the Volt hybrid with the Bolt EV.
@@StephenShawCanada you are correct. I missed that
The volt has a gas tank my friend
I was wanting to try renting a Tesla last summer, but the markup was so high that it was much cheaper to get a regular car and fill the tank. It seems like a big reason Tesla rentals failed is because rental companies tried to recoup their acquisition costs far too quickly, thus the “lack of demand”.
We bought a used 2017 Chevy Volt in 2020. (30,000 miles). We have a charger in our garage and we have never charged outside of the garage. We rarely buy gas. When we were planning a longer trip I filled up the tank. My whole driving life I write down every gas purchase/price/gallons. It had been 3 months since I had bought gas. We have had solar for 22 years and though we only have a 3.5 KW solar system, our electric bill is in the negative. We really like this car.
I just bought a Corolla hybrid and get 60 miles per gallon. Absolutely nuts! Thinking the next car for the wifey might be a plug in commuter car.
2:49 In 1999, the 2000 Honda Insight (which is the same year/model of car that I daily drive) was the first mass produced hybrid vehicle to be sold in the U.S. I believe it beat the Toyota Prius to the U.S. market by about 7 months. I drive approximately 440-500 miles a week on a bad hybrid battery & I still get almost 50 mpg. I paid $2,600 for it around 3 years ago. Only things I’ve changed (so far), is the A.C. compressor clutch, two tires, and the battery. Best $2,600 I’ve ever spent. 😎
EV's don't retain their value. Also, where I live, even if charging completely at home, it would be cheaper for me to drive a Prius vs a Model 3. That is only charging off-peak between midnight an 6am, if I charge during peak, the Prius is vastly cheaper. CA want's to lead the way with EV adoption, but at the same time the rates for PG&E are so high that nobody wants an EV anymore.
Exactly. People are getting charged 48 cent a kw during peak hrs. Prius cost 4 cents a mile to drive while a Tesla cost 8 cents
During the pandemic people were selling second hand cars, including EVs for a profit, 2 years after purchase. That was pretty unsustainable, due to production shortfalls in most cars and increased demand. That's come off somewhat. Here power with some providers is completely free between 11am and 2pm. There's so much excess solar, energy retailers are actually paid to take it by the market just as a service to lower line voltage. Prius has got to be one of the most complex cars to maintain, lots to go wrong. But everyone's best option depends on their local conditions and how much they drive. I don't think anyone would be better off with an EV if they had to use public chargers only.
@@nrgonline WTF is charged 48c ? And what kind of idiot charges during peak hrs? That's about as skewed of a comparison as you can make it.
@@peter65zzfdfh My off peak is 45cents and durring peak it's 72cents.