Nazeem was the main villain, but since nobody can ever visit the cloud district we wouldn't have been able to fight him
@CharterForGaming11 ай бұрын
Speak for yourself, Milk Drinker. I often find myself in the Cloud District.
@TickleEyes11 ай бұрын
The cloud district is literally just DragonsReach. It’s the only thing in the cloud district. Most people think the cloud district is some place in Cyrodil or the imperial city. No Nazeem is literally bragging that he walks up the hill to Balgufs palace
@ItsBroTato11 ай бұрын
@@ItsBroTato what would you know of the cloud district you’ve never been there
@fashionovawigs11 ай бұрын
Idk what happened to my Nazeem, I couldn’t find him anywhere lol maybe I killed him and don’t remember doing it
@jullianapassos955811 ай бұрын
He probably died in a dragon attack/vampire/thief attack in whiterun
@kaiserzero107711 ай бұрын
One small misconception here. The Alduin in Skyrim that we fight is not the devourer. The one we’re up against in Skyrim got catapulted forwards from a previous era and is still the Tyrant. He’s not seeking to destroy everything, he’s seeking to control everything.
@yingfrye863411 ай бұрын
I've actually heard of this concept before! Do you know where i can read more on it?
@infinitybreak445911 ай бұрын
@@infinitybreak4459it's in the main storyline. He was banished and sent to the future by 3 Nord heroes when they used an elder scroll against him.
@PaladinThizz11 ай бұрын
@Holy Spirit Led well yeah but is the concept expanded upon after that?
@infinitybreak445911 ай бұрын
@@infinitybreak4459I mean elder scrolls lore is tricky but in this area it’s reference by the grey beards a couple times as well as being detail on the 10,000 steps up the throat of the world. But is it expanded upon further then other then… I don’t Know but most likely in books introduced in Skyrim
@roccobucko122411 ай бұрын
@@infinitybreak4459 Fudgemuppet made a video called "You've Been Wrong About Skyrim's Story This Entire Time" that expands more on this idea
@commandy788911 ай бұрын
"Somehow, the Septim Dynasty returned."
@Swedishmafia101MemeCorporation11 ай бұрын
I hadn't laughed this nicely in the whole week. Thank you!
@nemanja98rs11 ай бұрын
@el mao xd Star Wars reference
@toodopetooscope280110 ай бұрын
Why didn’t Uriel Septim VII just use shout heal?
@dungeaterfancam10 ай бұрын
@@elmaoxdddShit Wars reference.
@Web72010 ай бұрын
@@Web720 "hAgGHhGgGgghHhhgGggHa sTaR WArS IS sO bAD ItS oNLy fOR NeRdS 🤡🤡🤡🤡" EDIT: Since I caused a bit of a thing, I would like to clarify. I thought that @Web720 was saying Star Wars is bad for no reason, but they were talking about the sequels. Yes, they tarnished the series, but they didn't entirely ruin it. That is my opinion. I apologize.
@mister_silent610 ай бұрын
Would’ve made a badass third dlc
@theannoyingreplier405111 ай бұрын
4th*
@theozforce805811 ай бұрын
Skyrim gets turned into a Dragonborn thunderdome where only one contestant comes out alive. Our contestants: The Last Dragonborn, Miraak, Uriel V., Alduin, Alessia, Wulfharth, and Tiber Septim.
@yolkonut685111 ай бұрын
@@yolkonut6851 that'd be dope asf
@Shadowed-King11 ай бұрын
I agree
@roguejester498611 ай бұрын
The last Septim heir shouldn't be relegated to a mere dlc
@realmart345111 ай бұрын
Imagine the world being met with two Dragonborn. One with the Septim blood, but unhinged. And another, a complete mystery. If Uriel V claimed that you were a scoundrel in the beginning and sentences you to death, that makes it personal. I would've liked a villain that was closer to the player's level.
@PriceMw12310 ай бұрын
Yes alduin apparently saved the only one capable of defeating him from gets his head chopped, i kid you not sir i made it my Vendetta to kill that imperial captain whom I though was legate ricke so i don't care alduin or anyone I would kill legate not knowing the main villian was always that damn captain
@yashvardhansingh928510 ай бұрын
@@yashvardhansingh9285 how does killing the legate rikke makes any difference? You must have really bad eyesight to compare legate rikke to the imperial captain from Skyrim And plus the story has already ended so it doesn't really matter if that captain survived
@zherean4206910 ай бұрын
That’s a reason I enjoy miraak as a villain he sends two assassins after you so you go to solsthiem just to kill him
@hunterlovejoy765110 ай бұрын
@@yashvardhansingh9285 EXACTLY! It would've made it personal.
@PriceMw12310 ай бұрын
@@zherean42069 i was 9 years old bro i didn't even spoke English properly back then , yes I have a bad eyesight thank you 🙂
@yashvardhansingh928510 ай бұрын
Let's be real, Uriel would've been a more interesting boss fight than "ho hum, another dargon"
@nicholasfarrell598111 ай бұрын
It would have been Miraak's boss fight So yeah more interesting
@nestorgamer974610 ай бұрын
I definitely agree. First, you’d have an already existing character from the lore and an answer to what happened to him, as opposed to generic dragon so old and powerful that no one wrote about him in Cyrodiil or Morrowind in the 3rd Era. Plus, you’d still get unique Akaviri dragons. Perhaps even having this happening during the Skyrim Civil War.
@VivaCubaRoja10 ай бұрын
Literally would've just been miraak
@Tonba110 ай бұрын
@@VivaCubaRoja Begone Tankie
@artair7010 ай бұрын
@@artair70 Wow that was clever, how long did you take to copy, I meant come up with that one?
@VivaCubaRoja10 ай бұрын
*Uriel Septim V:* [gets scrapped] *Miraak:* "Fine, I'll do it myself."
@azazeltheundyingdamienkali570010 ай бұрын
I'm playing with a mod atm called Unslaad Mar. It's a dragonpriest overhaul. It makes a lot of changes but the one that sticks out is, each dragon priest grants Alduin various magical and physical protection so if you don't take them down first, he's nigh unbeatable. So hunting down the dragon priests actually links to the main story too, which I always found weird that they don't. Something similar for the original story, like Alduin having an actual command structure that you can take down to weaken him and some other power bases besides Skuldafn, would have done a lot to flesh out the dragon cult.
@TrashPanda9091411 ай бұрын
I know what mod you are talking about but i dont think thats the correct name
@UndeadKIRA10 ай бұрын
There are 2 mods that do something similar, "Defeat the Dragon Cult" and "Cult of the World Eater"
@UndeadKIRA10 ай бұрын
@@UndeadKIRA Cult of the World eater is incorporated into Unslaad Maar.
@TrashPanda909149 ай бұрын
another feature I wish that was built into the game
@EddyQTooReal9 ай бұрын
@@EddyQTooReal paid dlc time
@wildfire92805 ай бұрын
The only problem is i feel like if a new septim just popped back up with an army of dragons i feel like most of Tamriel would have welcomes him with open arms... Maybe thats just me. Wasn't The last few septims highly loved? Nice to see the back and forth on this comment. 😃
@wyattedmondson958711 ай бұрын
"By the Nine, the Septim line has returned!"
@zacharyrollick616911 ай бұрын
True. Would probably want him to take control again and give an ass beating to the Thalmor
@ZettyLad11 ай бұрын
Maybe he could've been like a false prophet, everyone would worship him to the point they want to kill you and then in the end you show yourself as the true "hero" (assuming your character wasn't a dick)
@mineassasinlol642811 ай бұрын
Gotta remember that the last septim died 200 years before skyrim. And the great war was 20 years before skyrim too meaning theirs about 200 years of history with no Septim emperor. Considering humans die quickly and most Elven races were already out the empire anyone who would know who he is wouldn’t like him. I love the idea of a septim and or Dragonborn returning to the throne and ive toyed with the idea of “If the last dragonborn has kids and Akatosh wills it can he pass on the blood and potentially claim the throne”. Reddit was of course divided
@adamallen707011 ай бұрын
@@adamallen7070 idk, if a julius ceasar came back right now and had a dragon army i would be pretty stoked 😂
@tannerdulaney799811 ай бұрын
He wasn't actually the original villain, he was an idea put forward, even Todd said they weren't fond of bringing more light to the mystery of Akavir.
@jamesandthemgiantcheeks279811 ай бұрын
Nah Akavir is even wilder than morrowind. Bethesda is unable to produce something that isnt generic garbage that pleases normies.
@ASHFAR57811 ай бұрын
@@ASHFAR578 If there isn't a tinge of Western European Medieval fantasy in it, they'll think it's not marketable... Then you get games like Sekiro winning GOTY 2019.
@chilliam0011 ай бұрын
@@chilliam00 They haven't even done all of Tamriel yet you need to chill.
@robertwye946311 ай бұрын
@@robertwye9463 there's no reason to make all of tamriel before akaviir
@Gabriel-px8cv11 ай бұрын
@@ASHFAR578h wow generic KZhead Bethesda hate comment Im shocked. 😂(Im not ik sarcasm goes way over your head special ed) Comment makes no sense when Morrowind was created by Bethesda and every country has a defined look and feel already but keep hating sure you'll be the queen at prom with that attitude 😂😂😂✌
@grizzlyadamblack10 ай бұрын
Corrupted saves are the main villain.
@horridfuture383511 ай бұрын
They would then need to explain how Uriel V is still alive 344 years later.
@ironiccookies232010 ай бұрын
Vampire, perhaps
@mister_silent610 ай бұрын
Well, some books claim the Akviri are vampiric snake-men and iirc they also stated Uriel's body was never found.
@dmin578210 ай бұрын
Would have been a much better story then the one we got.. Alcuin wasn’t any tougher then the regular ass dragons by the time you meet him.
@Zeph91411 ай бұрын
Blame the devs for that, in lore alduin is so powerful that even the daedric princes dont want to mess with him
@letsdothisshiat116211 ай бұрын
Yea honestly the civil war and geopolitical story with the thalmor was much better than the dragon apocalypse. The Oblivion crisis was a more serious catastrophe and felt more urgent. I’ve seen guards take down a dragon attack before and the oblivion gates were slaughtering everyone
@iphone77711 ай бұрын
@@iphone777well considering 99 percent of the npcs are non essential I think a dragon attack killing all the people in the city would be terrible. Especially since every time you fast travel there's at least an 70% chance a dragon is going to attack you. It would make for a very terrible game. Especially before getting dragon rend (which is useless anyway because the dragons just fly far away and wait for the spell to wear off). It would especially suck for a warrior character. Most of the time the dragons just keep flying around spraying you with fire or ice and there's nothing you can do. So making the dragons realistically powerful would simply make for a bad game. You wouldn't even be able to upgrade your thuums until you beat the entire game, because you'd need to beat Alduin so they could give you the (hopefully more powerful) dragon rend shout. The dragons are pretty tough. Especially for a melee character. The older the dragon the less likely they are to land. Half of the people playing probably do so with mods so it makes sense it'll be easier for you. I don't use mods and as a new player it's a tough game to beat. Even the dragr are tough.
@PaladinThizz11 ай бұрын
@@iphone777 Except for the argononians who got advanced warning from the Hist Trees. Then counter attacked and forced the daedra to close them or risk being overrun.
@stevengreen953611 ай бұрын
Actually he did have more HP but that was about it
@cristianroy2111 ай бұрын
It's probably an unpopular opinion but I don't think Alduin should have been the main villain, mainly because they made him canonically way way way too powerful (in the lore he is a god). He should have at least functioned similar to how Mehrunes Dagon did in oblivion, a figure so powerful they cannot be fought directly unless by another god, so instead you fight his followers who increase his influence on Nirn. So I think Uriel V would have functioned as a more fitting villain in my opinion.
@aperson-rq9hy11 ай бұрын
Cannonically the Dragonborn is also way way too powerful so I guess it evens out.
@jekro27410 ай бұрын
I mean it pretty much was a glorified mehrunes dragon, you just get to push buttons during the cutscenes and make a lil shout. Compared to mehrunes who gets dapped by my dude mantling akatosh, but its still wack how they did it in Skyrim. It's like doing that cutscene but putting lore foreshadowing in shitty visual effects that don't age well. Like shit it's interesting that alduin may have gone back to being akatosh, could you have done a better job explaining that better than a bunch of black chunks falling off a beam of light? Absofuckinglutely how's anyone supposed to parse that shit
@OgieSifter10 ай бұрын
Dragonborn is as god as Alduin. They're same. Alduin is just the leader of dragons.
@dasik8410 ай бұрын
Uriel V could have been the Mankar Camoran of Skyrim. It feels like leaving him out of the story was a shortcut.
@Mephitinae10 ай бұрын
The Dragonborn is a Shezzarine so I mean it was god against god technically
@knightingale983310 ай бұрын
Honestly why wouldn't the empire just bow to uriel V? He is a septim, he controls an army of dragons which would be extremely useful against the thalmor etc.
@mappingshaman528011 ай бұрын
That sounds to me like why they didn't do it. The Empire's response when a prior emperor arrived with an army of dragons would be "hell yeah, time to roll those Thalmor blankety blanks." He'd have to be roasting his own people that he wanted to rule again despite that acclaim, which would be hard to explain well.
@westrim10 ай бұрын
@@westrim I think he would make for an interesting DLC or side villain, where he wants to kill you for whatever reason (possibly for being a rival / potential threat as a dragonborn). Maybe he was the one who arranged your execution at the beginning of the game. He'd also be a powerful emperor who is probably going to bring greatness to the empire again and destroy the Thalmor. Many would cheer for his return. Then, the player would be presented with many interesting choices. Do you choose to crush the empire's hope of Rebirth in order to get your revenge and claim his power for yourself? This would be a very neat way to tie in the Thalmor as well, since killing them always feels great. The Thalmor would be especially keen on killing both you and the returning emperor. There's also the matter of the remaining Mede dynasty. They certainly wouldn't be very happy about an emperor from a previous dynasty returning. I imagine they'd try to recruit you.
@hebercluff16652 ай бұрын
Because there is no need for a Septim to sit on the throne any longer. The Amulet of Kings and the Dragonfires are no longer needed, hence anyone can sit on the throne. Not to mention he's insane.
@icefarrow7959Күн бұрын
Report:Disaster at Ionith is the lore book describing Uriel V invasion of Akavir
@deimos14411 ай бұрын
This would’ve been way cooler than the dragon cult retcon of the Nords
@kirksmigael10 ай бұрын
What was the retcon?
@DaBlackX10 ай бұрын
@@DaBlackX i think the whole dragon war and dragon priests
@AntonioPerez-wf2lf10 ай бұрын
@@DaBlackX the dragon cult bs they added last minute
@kirksmigael10 ай бұрын
@@AntonioPerez-wf2lf I think I might need to refresh myself on the Nord lore, because I'm still drawing a blank.
@DaBlackX10 ай бұрын
@@DaBlackX pretty much they created the dragon war specifically for skyrim. Before skyrim there was no mention of dragons ruling, dragon priest, or the thu'um being the language of the dragons. I think it was originally a nord magic from their connection to kyne. I'm pretty sure there are videos on the subject
@AntonioPerez-wf2lf10 ай бұрын
that would have been way more interesting than alduin
@Gabriel-px8cv11 ай бұрын
Agreed. Alduin was so one note and run of the mill for a villain (now the dlcs had some alright villains) . Not to mention the lore shit that Bethesda gutted
@gypsyhydra680110 ай бұрын
By the same merit they could have ruined any villain. They could have just given Alduin a coherent story, a motivation, a goal that made sense in ANY fashion... or at least a decent battle that didn't require a useless shout that took too much work to get.
@natmarelnam487110 ай бұрын
HOLY SHIT THATS MY AKAVIR MAP THAT I DREW YEARS AGO
@aenektehfirewolf10 ай бұрын
Looks really good 👍
@Grunp4k410 ай бұрын
That would’ve been way cooler.
@1337m33p11 ай бұрын
Don't forget one thing though. The lore and cut ideas always sound more interesting than what we actually get. Look how Bethesda handles their stories, they can't write a engaging one if their lives depend on it. I'm pretty sure this storyline would have been just as boring in execution as the actual story.
@brotbrotsen11004 ай бұрын
Alduin is trying to conquer the world as well,he never tries to eat it its said thats why the dragonborn was sent ot kill him,alduin abandoned his destiny and chose domination over ending it
@dimensionalshade829011 ай бұрын
The Alduin we fight isn’t the Devourer yet, he’s the Tyrant. Alduin got sent forward in time by 3 Nord heroes who used an elder scroll on him, so when we fight him he actually hasn’t “chosen” to control the world over destroying it, he just hasn’t come up with destroying it yet
@crywlf910310 ай бұрын
Alduin in game is the corrupted aspect of akatosh and possibly lorkhan too if lorkhan really does end up being part of aka. There seems to be a trend where corrupted beings have this ebony motif, daedra especially have this imagery where black chunks form a shell or make the body that is influenced by these primordial forces. As if this is the difference between aedra and daedra, alduin tends to apear in religions that are older but doesn't have a negative view of alduin but as a part of nature cause it was another word for akatosh who is the cycle of the universe restarting. Alduin being the corrupted shedding of akatosh maligned the image and was made to be distinct by the perception of newer cultures having to deal with this new daedric aspect of time with no oblivion realm of its own. At the end you crack that shell releasing the pure aka juice inside to return to the flow of time. Hell could also be as simple as, this alduin was just a dragon who took up the name. Dragons aren't really born but they're turned into permanently by mortals, they were introduced to tamriel mainly by the original akaviri nords. I feel parthunax could also be trying to keep this from public knowledge
@OgieSifter10 ай бұрын
They should use him as a villain for the 6th game as a dlc expansion. Main story involves the second great war and another dlc should involve the return of the dwemer and other tribes of snow elves
@neropowers619911 ай бұрын
I dont think they will ever completely answer or do anything about the dwemer disappearance. On one hand it would be great to finally have mysteries answered but even Tom Howard admitted that what makes Skyrim so special is all the gaps in its history. Filling those gaps may dissolve the magic of it all and leaves it less interesting.
@cowtippinggiant948111 ай бұрын
@@cowtippinggiant9481 Honestly, I really hate that line of reasoning. "The mystery is great for the magic! I'm not avoiding filling plot holes!" The same logic used by the show runners of the Battlestar Galactica remake.
@zacharyrollick616911 ай бұрын
@@zacharyrollick6169 To each their own, I am sure everyone has their own opinion. I just like mysteries to stay mysteries instead of getting subpar explanations. That's not to say that there can't be very interesting explanations for mysteries. But I also love when we're given a chance to decide or infer outcomes on our own. Did the Dwemer's experiments with the heart of Lorkhan kill their whole race? Were they transported to a realm similar to the Soul Cairn? Did they manage to turn themselves into gods and simply cease to exist on mortal plains? All would be great answers, but half the intrigue to me is guessing!😄
@cowtippinggiant948111 ай бұрын
@@cowtippinggiant9481 the thing is al mysteries can be found out and if i wanna dedicate my character as somebody who wants to unravel secrets, the lore should be within in the game hidden like some conspiracy theory shit.
@Ifyoutalktomeurnotstraight11 ай бұрын
@@zacharyrollick6169 That was 12 years ago, maybe Todd has changed his mind by now
@roddbroward987611 ай бұрын
Shit... That actually sounds better. Would've integrated into the civil war questline better, as well, presenting a pressing need to unify Skyrim. I am a little bit more disappointed in Skyrim now. Shit...
@donatodiniccolodibettobardi84211 ай бұрын
Another good idea is to put the idea of the Thamor invading in the players head.
@TheRealAaronbrine11 ай бұрын
The main story line is kinda weak compared to oblivion's
@drhody422911 ай бұрын
@@drhody4229 Can agree to that. The legendary dragonborn saves the world from a dragon they couldn't kill in the past. You just trained to be the thing you were. In oblivion you were nothing, a prisoner. Then you were given a prophecy. And it was your job to live up to that prophecy. You saved the bastard son of a dead emperor just to have one shot at driving back the hordes of hell meanwhile some idiot who worshiped the demon god that was trying to make that hell earth thing a reality was stalking you at every step as soon as you appeared. It felt amazing to put down Cameron. When you kill Alduin you're just like... Alright. I did it. I saved the world just like it said I would.
@TheRealAaronbrine11 ай бұрын
Only now?
@thatrandomcrit582311 ай бұрын
@@TheRealAaronbrineTo be honest TES never had a particularly good story. The only games that had a more interesting story were Daggerfall and Morrowind and Oblivion's was atleast original in the way that you weren't the chosen one, you were helping the chosen one, but even then, it wasn't that interesting and was way too short, even if the gameplay itself was more diverse than anything we've seen since... Arena had the most basic plot ever and Skyrim isn't too far behind. All in all, 3 out of 5 games don't have that much of an interesting storyline.
@thatrandomcrit582311 ай бұрын
This would've not only been cooler, but a good segway from Oblivion because of how much it leaned on Akavir themes
@kenny692011 ай бұрын
Or just make Alduin a legitimate threat.
@TrashPanda9091411 ай бұрын
*segue
@bwackbeedows362910 ай бұрын
@@bwackbeedows3629 *Segway 🛴
@kenny692010 ай бұрын
@@bwackbeedows3629 seppuku
@TrashPanda9091410 ай бұрын
That would be so fucking cool
@ShunyShock10 ай бұрын
I would have fought for the "bad guys" aka the proper emperor who is trying to fight off the Thalmore lol
@Callaghan55210 ай бұрын
I really hope someone makes a DLC sized mod to replicate what this would have been like :)
@WolfgangRP10 ай бұрын
Basically a Targaryen
@argelisplanchart943810 ай бұрын
Tbf, part of me would've like to seen a DLC take place in Akavir
@johncarterofmars4711 ай бұрын
An Akaviri expedition was mentioned in one of the games. I think it’s the next big step for the series if I live long enough to see it.
@iranianali10 ай бұрын
Well elder scrolls 6 is in development so you’re likely to see something along these lines eventually. Although idk how much these newer games will have tie ins to the older ones.
@sergiomendoza485010 ай бұрын
I believe the Nerevarine was part of said expedition
@madmanszalinski10 ай бұрын
@@madmanszalinski bro that'd be a dope ass reason for his disappearance. Cuz he supposedly did a lot after Morrowind, and then just vanished.
@MoosenOggen434310 ай бұрын
Once they're done with Tamriel, I'm sure they will move on to Akavir
@elkevinski10 ай бұрын
@@MoosenOggen4343Yeah, it was mentioned in Oblivion if I'm not wrong. When the NPC's talk with each other. The guy went to Akavir.
@elkevinski10 ай бұрын
"Uriel Septim VII from Oblivion" He had a major role in every game before it too. He got kidnapped in Arena, he's the one that sends the player ro Iliac Bay in Daggerfall, he's reh one who orders the release of the Nerevarine
@CinderedCaelus9 ай бұрын
Thats so cool! This is such a big concept change Im surprised I hadn't heard about it before now. This couldve fundamentally changed the entire theme of the game. The ancient dragon cult, all the ancient dragon sites, and the idea of the dragonborn itself would probably not have existed in the game or the lore if Bethesda had gone with this concept. That being said, having a long lost/long thought dead emperor return to his people as an enemy bent on reclaiming the empire is such a cool idea!! Id love to see something like this in a future game.
@mr.watson32378 ай бұрын
Uriel returning is very friendly to the lore aswell. Although his invasion failed, his fate is ultimately unknown.
@danieloconnell275711 ай бұрын
According to the ingame book Report: Disaster at Ionith he was witnessed being killed by arrows while rallying the 10th Legion
@knightingale983310 ай бұрын
@@knightingale9833 I thought I saw a lore video that the soldiers never actually witnessed him dying. They just presumed he did.
@danieloconnell275710 ай бұрын
So it took Todd 12 years to feel brave enough to do fan interviews again. Brutal.
@Jakeito41311 ай бұрын
I think ppl get confused about alduins goal here Alduin, before the ancient nords sent him into the future, was hellbent on dominating the world & ruling it rather than destroy it for the next kalpa. After reappearing in the Player characters preasant, his goal was still the same, dominate & rule the world instead of end it
@lonecourierjoeyv213311 ай бұрын
Pretty cool concept, especially since Uriel would be the last Septim, legitimate successor to the ruby throne and Empire of Tamriel. Technically, an emperor returning to his empire. Lots of interesting lore to that. Ah well.
@___.5110 ай бұрын
Where my modders at? We the people need you to make this happen asap. Comment below if you want this to happen Sooner than later!!
@edwardohlin146911 ай бұрын
Yes, please
@cat_astronaut_10 ай бұрын
Not possible
@zherean4206910 ай бұрын
@@zherean42069I've seen more extravagant things done with modding you don't even know what you're talking about
@LeilaTheRose10 ай бұрын
All the people going "that's so much better!" are suffering from grass is greener/rose colored glasses/ choose your optimism metaphor. All you have is a brief sketch to go on, of course all the details you fill in will be the best possible in your opinion. But that's not how it would play out, because you weren't writing it and they didn't have 12 years of hindsight. 100% chance in that timeline people endlessly complain that it overrode the sacrifice of Martin and the end of the Septim bloodline.
@westrim10 ай бұрын
people need to remember this is Bethesda their ideas are great but their execution is mediocre
@darkomihajlovski313510 ай бұрын
To be honest, the last Septim being a deranged tyrant from Akavir doesn't really bode well for the dynasty.
@Cherrywick7610 ай бұрын
@@Cherrywick76secret quest to help Uriel continue the bloodline would fix that
@dungeaterfancam10 ай бұрын
@@darkomihajlovski3135the ideas are great but massive and ambitious in scope and depth, and outside their - or anyone's - technical ability. There's undeniably open world rpgs that do elements like story, combat, quest design, level design, exploration, etc better. But I think there are no fantasy experiences more immersive than the first few hours of each elder scrolls game. They all lose steam and don't live up to the promise set by those early hours, especially in regards to environment and enemy variety (which is something that really lets the writing down, underselling the stakes and making all the early game build up seem silly imo), and they seem to be steering in a design direction that I don't believe plays to the strengths their earlier games had.
@PacdemonStudios110 ай бұрын
In the alternate timeline they're saying, "A dragon apocalypse would've been so much cooler than what we got. Alduin would've been a better villain than Septim."
@jjfajen10 ай бұрын
Uriel got that Redguard in him 😂
@marcuspowell43432 ай бұрын
Would love a future game or dlc to visit Akavir.
@SpartanSigismund31610 ай бұрын
Uriel Septim V is not the Villain. He is the true and rightful emperor. Don't fall for Thalmor propaganda
@miguelgid53611 ай бұрын
Wrong. As a son of Akatosh, I am the rightful emperor ;3
@DreamersOfReality11 ай бұрын
It was definitely a good idea, but Todd believes mystery is an important thing to have in a fantasy world, so he scrapped it to maintain the mystery of Akavir. Besides, I feel like Uriel V should be a good guy. He’s quite possibly the Empire’s last chance at regaining Akatosh’s protection. Bethesda may have swapped out Uriel V as the main villain but they never scratched the possibility that he’s still alive.
@teleportedbreadfor3days11 ай бұрын
Uriel V comes back still powerful af and everyone cheers his return BUT some powerful akaviri snake-dude controls him, plotting some shenanigans worthy of being TES6's antagonist.
@Jlalo74711 ай бұрын
@@Jlalo747 Assuming Todd will decide to finally unlock the door that keeps Akavir a mystery. That being said, I like your idea a lot, but it feels unlikely that one of Akavir’s snake men would manipulate Uriel V given how quick and easy they are to bowing to a Dragonborn, let alone control him. Though not impossible, imo. It would be interesting to try and save the Empire from such a puppeteer while the Thalmor are breathing down your neck trying to strike the same place for their own reasons. Stopping them would then prolong the Second Great War and buy the Empire more time to prepare for the inevitable conflict against the Thalmor-controlled Aldmeri Dominion. Even some High Elves hate the Thalmor.
@teleportedbreadfor3days11 ай бұрын
@@teleportedbreadfor3days I wonder how they'd work in the dying of magic. Magic is fading pretty quickly from the world- not just as game mechanics, but by skyrim everyone is essentially in a dark-age in terms of magical attunement. Most artifacts found are not understood in the slightest beyond being "very powerful". It's highly likely that during the great war both Adlmeri and Imperial militaries were conscripting or otherwise 'burning' up mages trying to kill each other off, so a lot of the intellect and study associated with magic was rapidly extinguishing during the great war.
@blackwoodsecurity53110 ай бұрын
@@blackwoodsecurity531 If that’s really the case, there’s a theory the Thalmor are trying to reshape reality through actions like outlawing the worship of Talos. I know a lot of magical guilds were forced to shut down after the Great War ended miserably and the Thalmor finally got the chance to gain a foothold in Tamriel but if what you said about magic ‘fading’ is true, then it’s possibly the Thalmor are keeping all the magic for themselves to cultivate power and weaken the mortals they find so disgusting. I mean I’m not sure it’s true but given how the Thalmor are so ambitious that they tried to start another Oblivion Crisis before the Battle of the Red Ring just to win the war, I can’t completely dismiss it. They’ll do anything to weaken the enemy and get what they want, it seems. Although I’m not certain what exactly you’re referencing when you mention people not knowing how powerful certain artifacts are and all. If you’re thinking of the events of the Skyrim game, the Nords never had a trust or general like for magic for a while, anyway. They’re warriors who therefore really have no need for it and their distrust for magic only increased after the art’s involvement in the Oblivion Crisis. I’m sure magic will have a sudden spike in activity once the people rebel against the Thalmor and the Second Great War begins. An Empire who hates the Dominion living in their backyards surely does a lot of things the Thalmor don’t want them to in secret, the same self-absorbed bastards who don’t hide their distaste and intent very well, like, at all
@teleportedbreadfor3days10 ай бұрын
For a minute i thought you were going to say that the original enemy was going go be Todd Howard. Probably a good thing it wasnt him, he would have been too powerful.
@SaintRagnar0k11 ай бұрын
So many dragon born not fulfilling their "destiny"
@Shukaldes11 ай бұрын
Its always more interisting when a villain is a person and not just big angry monster
@HellishSpoon10 ай бұрын
Watching a Septum return would be glorious. Altmer everywhere would just start sweating profusely.
@FerreusVir11 ай бұрын
Even though this never made it into the final game, it at least clues us in to what Bethesda's background working canon seems to be. That is: Uriel V is still alive and has amassed power in Akavir. (And now there Nerevarine is there too, if in-game gossip from Oblivion is to be believed.) And it makes sense. Long ago, Akaviri armies had come from to Tamriel in search of a Dragonborn and found Reman Cyrodiil and swore fealty to him. Later, a Dragonborn went to Akavir; seems natural to me to think that they would eventually recognize him as Dragonborn and do the same.
@HickoryDickory8610 ай бұрын
The real villain are the enemies we slaughtered along the way..
@changer_of_ways_suspense_smith11 ай бұрын
I'm glad they didn't fighting an ancient god which returned to destroy the world is more heroic than some old guy
@fredrikkirderf290710 ай бұрын
I found it a rather generic story. Hero slaying the dragon is beyond played out.
@gageriggs391410 ай бұрын
Mid take
@flouserschird10 ай бұрын
My guy loves marvel movie plots
@youngnat10 ай бұрын
Bro falls asleep when trying to entertain himself with anything other than MCU
@MoosenOggen434310 ай бұрын
L take
@elkevinski10 ай бұрын
Art was made by Lorkhatosh by the way! The team just wants him to get proper credit. Honestly surprising to find a reference to UM out of nowhere.
@AWeDontCareProduct3 ай бұрын
Wow... That seems more interesting than what we have now...
@albertmuramasa20111 ай бұрын
Dawg who made my boy a redguard 😭
@hauldencottenfield8699 ай бұрын
Yeah. I mean woulda been cool if Alduin was larger at least. But this villain sounds cooler.
@christopherrobbins010 ай бұрын
Well tbf, Alduin’s goal wasn’t to destroy the world, only to conquer it. The reason you kill him is because he turned to a conquering tyrant, and the reason Akatosh sends you to kill him in Dragonborn form is because he strayed from his whole world-eater purpose. So essentially now Akatosh can recycle his soul to create a new world-eater, good job guys.
@RyanBright-wg1yk10 ай бұрын
I wanna visit Akivir so bad.
@iceman71579 ай бұрын
Would've been better. Alduin never flew with me honestly. Making a human a greedy and CONQUER/DESTROY THE WORLD type would've been okay, but making a dragon be like that really dissapoints me and it is a wasted potential. They could've done much more with Alduin, yet no, he is just a boring villain :/
@tut-412610 ай бұрын
And everyone is also always like "Noooo he's a force of nature, and was gonna EAT THE WORLD" yeeaaahhh, that's what the Nord's say. But what's more likely is that he wants to go back to when humans were all slaves to them. It's a human prophecy after all.
@MoosenOggen434310 ай бұрын
In all fairness, both concepts sound pretty cool. Originally, you have the Firstborn dragon of Akatosh vs the Last Dragonborn. Then, you have a member of the Septim dynasty vs an unknown outlander. But as I've seen being said, this is Bethesda we're talking about. Uriel V may sound cool conceptual wise, but what we'd likely get is no different from what we got with Alduin. Except we'd probably get an even more underwhelming fight than what we got with Alduin or even Miirak.
@blackfox413810 ай бұрын
This would have made more sense than putting down the firstborn of THE god in Elder Scrolls. I'd rather feel like I'm going toe to toe with my equal than winning an impossible battle because plot armor. That's why Miraak felt like a more satisfying boss than Alduin. Also, this would have actually raised the stakes of the civil war rather than making it seem like a mild inconvenience at best
@IronLordEXO11 ай бұрын
I like the Arthur hawkwing reference with the armies returned across the sea. So many good dragon reborn references in this game
@jakeclement6656Ай бұрын
The world needs an Elder Scrolls movie series
@serenowakenbake54949 ай бұрын
The problem is that they would probably ruin it.
@tabularasa06065 ай бұрын
This would be amazing for an Elder Scrolls VI set in Hammerfell. I mean, Uriel V coming back from Akavir with an army of dragons at the height of the Great War unrest in Tamriel would be a good storyline. It’d also take over the most boring part of Skyrim’s questlines, the Civil War and Great War. Maybe it could even be a DLC after the main game.
@tengu2D11 ай бұрын
That wiuld've been SO much more interesting
@laynaTheLobster11 ай бұрын
So not all the septims are dead after oblivion
@Icarus199911 ай бұрын
Just started playing Skyrim again and it’s changing my life
@Panda-yu7eu3 ай бұрын
They should totally make him the bad guy of Hammerfell
@KnoxCarbon11 ай бұрын
Maybe if they kept this idea in the vanilla game, the main quest wouldn't be such forgettable garbage.
@RichterTheRat11 ай бұрын
This is such a better plot imo.
@LtSprinkulz9 ай бұрын
The first time my sister described Skyrim to me, I thought it was about a wizard who could control dragons and also turn into one. 6 years later and I’ve bought Skyrim 4 times.
@zenormcclure90719 ай бұрын
I miss when Elder Scrolls was whacky, bizarre, unique and racist to elves. Long gone are those days. Now Skyrim 2 will come out years to come and big stupid dumb lazy monster dragon end boss. No intrigue, politics, internal conflicts, deceit and betrayal. what a way to destroy some of the craziest and interesting lore from a IP
@MusashiW-ec2yn11 ай бұрын
Skyrim 2?
@ShockedApple10 ай бұрын
@@ShockedApple a dumbed down elder scrolls that follows a more linear and simpler mechanics to accommodate a larger audience and lose uniqueness and character
@MusashiW-ec2yn10 ай бұрын
@@MusashiW-ec2yn ah I see now
@ShockedApple10 ай бұрын
Of course, a cooler concept being sidelined by something lame
@brreakfastYT11 ай бұрын
👏🏻 I 👏🏻 LOVE 👏🏻 THIS 👏🏻 CONCEPT!!!
@TheDark_Strider3 ай бұрын
This has nothing to do with the video but most people forget that the hero/player you play as in oblivion is actually sheogorath in skyrims madness quest
@BanditoGames35 ай бұрын
Try speaking not through your teeth
@NarrowKilla11 ай бұрын
that is why its called early concept, Stuff like this happens all the time.
@Adam-08210 ай бұрын
The real villain is obviously the frost troll of the 7000 steps
@rileymoffatt77028 ай бұрын
See, the issue is, I woulda supported Uriel over the Thalmor and Empire any day 😂
@bendover981310 ай бұрын
Honestly I'm surprised someone in the modding community hasn't made a mod about this yet😅
@corbinpenniman32653 ай бұрын
I love the cinematic in the background, ten out of ten.
@raistlinmcguire27866 ай бұрын
He would have been like Miraak
@CrescentCrusader9910 ай бұрын
Miraak is 100% a time traveling Dragonborn- I choose to believe he is Uriel V
@lucaalduino-kq9wwАй бұрын
Goddamn. He's so tanned he's now a red guard.
@midnari8 ай бұрын
OH MY GREATNESS ! that is phenomenal and creative
@LICENFIREFEAR6 күн бұрын
"another day, another septim" 😂
@culturecanvas7777 ай бұрын
see, I would have joined uriel the 5th, restoring Talos's blood to the imperial; throne would be the best thing for all men.
@censorduck11 ай бұрын
This story would make a great DLC and to top it off it could take place in the northern region of Cyrodiil where Bruma is located.
@daviluiz67894 ай бұрын
Would love to see the original dragon blood line comeback I think of the emperor in oblivion as an old friend
@corysmith94179 ай бұрын
The music got me wanting to quit my job to start another run
@BrodyMKramer10 ай бұрын
I still like the idea of him not being a villain but a man desperate to save his empire from the aldmeir dominion or however you pronounce it lol
@mewsterx36796 ай бұрын
There's actually a mention of his story in books available in the game, specifically Report: Disaster At Ionith. This book also appeared in Oblivion. This report actually states that survivors of the failed invasion witnessed Uriel V die, struck down by arrows. Since the book appeared in Oblivion, it makes you wonder how he was supposed to return. Miraak's death wasn't witnessed, only assumed given the length of time, and he seemingly survived so long thanks to Hermaeus Mora. But how would Uriel V have survived when people witnessed him being struck down by arrows?
@Kahadi3 ай бұрын
This would’ve been cool. I really hope they bring back a thought to be gone species as the main antagonists in a future story.
@averagechadlegionary58243 ай бұрын
i like that they decided to expand the skyrim lore more, than to force imperial lore to it.
@Topikkaperna3 ай бұрын
I think it would be great if they used him as an antagonist for a game about the dragonborn after the event of Skyrim
@certified-forklift-operator2 ай бұрын
I actually predicted that Elder scrolls 6 would be about: Uriel Septim V coming back from his conquest of Akavir with his new snakemen army, in the midst of a Second Great War between the Aldmeri and Empire faction in Hammerfell. Perhaps, they will go along with this idea.
@warpigs90694 ай бұрын
That would have been way better than what we got. Sliders dragon doesn't quite hit the same as the return of a legendary king from a couple hundred years before. Could have tied the dark brotherhood, thieves guild, and college quest lines into it. Plus we might finally get to hear more about Akavir.
@SparkamisPrime8 ай бұрын
In the Rigmor of Cyrodil mod you fight akavir "remnants" some of which are said to be legion soldiers from that failed invasion.
@Jasuuvius9 ай бұрын
You mean the main antagonist may have been more involved with the actual main storyline crazzyyy
@Xnvasxve10 ай бұрын
I don’t think he’d even really need an army or a war. As a member of the Septim dynasty he’d have a Legitimate claim to the imperial throne, this almost happened when necromancers attempted to resurrect Potema Septim, the Wolf Queen in the quest. However her resurrection was thwarted.
@departmentoftheeruseanroya910611 ай бұрын
Sounds like a ready-made premise for some modding team to make.
@jimjam79286 ай бұрын
uriel be like ' aye ass whipe stop eating ny dragons lol were trying to kill the last dragon born 😂
@joefuller38864 ай бұрын
I would play that version of skyrom
@takeomasaki98659 ай бұрын
I honestly would play this alternative too. Love dragon born but this would have been cool to see.
Nazeem was the main villain, but since nobody can ever visit the cloud district we wouldn't have been able to fight him
Speak for yourself, Milk Drinker. I often find myself in the Cloud District.
The cloud district is literally just DragonsReach. It’s the only thing in the cloud district. Most people think the cloud district is some place in Cyrodil or the imperial city. No Nazeem is literally bragging that he walks up the hill to Balgufs palace
@@ItsBroTato what would you know of the cloud district you’ve never been there
Idk what happened to my Nazeem, I couldn’t find him anywhere lol maybe I killed him and don’t remember doing it
He probably died in a dragon attack/vampire/thief attack in whiterun
One small misconception here. The Alduin in Skyrim that we fight is not the devourer. The one we’re up against in Skyrim got catapulted forwards from a previous era and is still the Tyrant. He’s not seeking to destroy everything, he’s seeking to control everything.
I've actually heard of this concept before! Do you know where i can read more on it?
@@infinitybreak4459it's in the main storyline. He was banished and sent to the future by 3 Nord heroes when they used an elder scroll against him.
@Holy Spirit Led well yeah but is the concept expanded upon after that?
@@infinitybreak4459I mean elder scrolls lore is tricky but in this area it’s reference by the grey beards a couple times as well as being detail on the 10,000 steps up the throat of the world. But is it expanded upon further then other then… I don’t Know but most likely in books introduced in Skyrim
@@infinitybreak4459 Fudgemuppet made a video called "You've Been Wrong About Skyrim's Story This Entire Time" that expands more on this idea
"Somehow, the Septim Dynasty returned."
I hadn't laughed this nicely in the whole week. Thank you!
@el mao xd Star Wars reference
Why didn’t Uriel Septim VII just use shout heal?
@@elmaoxdddShit Wars reference.
@@Web720 "hAgGHhGgGgghHhhgGggHa sTaR WArS IS sO bAD ItS oNLy fOR NeRdS 🤡🤡🤡🤡" EDIT: Since I caused a bit of a thing, I would like to clarify. I thought that @Web720 was saying Star Wars is bad for no reason, but they were talking about the sequels. Yes, they tarnished the series, but they didn't entirely ruin it. That is my opinion. I apologize.
Would’ve made a badass third dlc
4th*
Skyrim gets turned into a Dragonborn thunderdome where only one contestant comes out alive. Our contestants: The Last Dragonborn, Miraak, Uriel V., Alduin, Alessia, Wulfharth, and Tiber Septim.
@@yolkonut6851 that'd be dope asf
I agree
The last Septim heir shouldn't be relegated to a mere dlc
Imagine the world being met with two Dragonborn. One with the Septim blood, but unhinged. And another, a complete mystery. If Uriel V claimed that you were a scoundrel in the beginning and sentences you to death, that makes it personal. I would've liked a villain that was closer to the player's level.
Yes alduin apparently saved the only one capable of defeating him from gets his head chopped, i kid you not sir i made it my Vendetta to kill that imperial captain whom I though was legate ricke so i don't care alduin or anyone I would kill legate not knowing the main villian was always that damn captain
@@yashvardhansingh9285 how does killing the legate rikke makes any difference? You must have really bad eyesight to compare legate rikke to the imperial captain from Skyrim And plus the story has already ended so it doesn't really matter if that captain survived
That’s a reason I enjoy miraak as a villain he sends two assassins after you so you go to solsthiem just to kill him
@@yashvardhansingh9285 EXACTLY! It would've made it personal.
@@zherean42069 i was 9 years old bro i didn't even spoke English properly back then , yes I have a bad eyesight thank you 🙂
Let's be real, Uriel would've been a more interesting boss fight than "ho hum, another dargon"
It would have been Miraak's boss fight So yeah more interesting
I definitely agree. First, you’d have an already existing character from the lore and an answer to what happened to him, as opposed to generic dragon so old and powerful that no one wrote about him in Cyrodiil or Morrowind in the 3rd Era. Plus, you’d still get unique Akaviri dragons. Perhaps even having this happening during the Skyrim Civil War.
Literally would've just been miraak
@@VivaCubaRoja Begone Tankie
@@artair70 Wow that was clever, how long did you take to copy, I meant come up with that one?
*Uriel Septim V:* [gets scrapped] *Miraak:* "Fine, I'll do it myself."
I'm playing with a mod atm called Unslaad Mar. It's a dragonpriest overhaul. It makes a lot of changes but the one that sticks out is, each dragon priest grants Alduin various magical and physical protection so if you don't take them down first, he's nigh unbeatable. So hunting down the dragon priests actually links to the main story too, which I always found weird that they don't. Something similar for the original story, like Alduin having an actual command structure that you can take down to weaken him and some other power bases besides Skuldafn, would have done a lot to flesh out the dragon cult.
I know what mod you are talking about but i dont think thats the correct name
There are 2 mods that do something similar, "Defeat the Dragon Cult" and "Cult of the World Eater"
@@UndeadKIRA Cult of the World eater is incorporated into Unslaad Maar.
another feature I wish that was built into the game
@@EddyQTooReal paid dlc time
The only problem is i feel like if a new septim just popped back up with an army of dragons i feel like most of Tamriel would have welcomes him with open arms... Maybe thats just me. Wasn't The last few septims highly loved? Nice to see the back and forth on this comment. 😃
"By the Nine, the Septim line has returned!"
True. Would probably want him to take control again and give an ass beating to the Thalmor
Maybe he could've been like a false prophet, everyone would worship him to the point they want to kill you and then in the end you show yourself as the true "hero" (assuming your character wasn't a dick)
Gotta remember that the last septim died 200 years before skyrim. And the great war was 20 years before skyrim too meaning theirs about 200 years of history with no Septim emperor. Considering humans die quickly and most Elven races were already out the empire anyone who would know who he is wouldn’t like him. I love the idea of a septim and or Dragonborn returning to the throne and ive toyed with the idea of “If the last dragonborn has kids and Akatosh wills it can he pass on the blood and potentially claim the throne”. Reddit was of course divided
@@adamallen7070 idk, if a julius ceasar came back right now and had a dragon army i would be pretty stoked 😂
He wasn't actually the original villain, he was an idea put forward, even Todd said they weren't fond of bringing more light to the mystery of Akavir.
Nah Akavir is even wilder than morrowind. Bethesda is unable to produce something that isnt generic garbage that pleases normies.
@@ASHFAR578 If there isn't a tinge of Western European Medieval fantasy in it, they'll think it's not marketable... Then you get games like Sekiro winning GOTY 2019.
@@chilliam00 They haven't even done all of Tamriel yet you need to chill.
@@robertwye9463 there's no reason to make all of tamriel before akaviir
@@ASHFAR578h wow generic KZhead Bethesda hate comment Im shocked. 😂(Im not ik sarcasm goes way over your head special ed) Comment makes no sense when Morrowind was created by Bethesda and every country has a defined look and feel already but keep hating sure you'll be the queen at prom with that attitude 😂😂😂✌
Corrupted saves are the main villain.
They would then need to explain how Uriel V is still alive 344 years later.
Vampire, perhaps
Well, some books claim the Akviri are vampiric snake-men and iirc they also stated Uriel's body was never found.
Would have been a much better story then the one we got.. Alcuin wasn’t any tougher then the regular ass dragons by the time you meet him.
Blame the devs for that, in lore alduin is so powerful that even the daedric princes dont want to mess with him
Yea honestly the civil war and geopolitical story with the thalmor was much better than the dragon apocalypse. The Oblivion crisis was a more serious catastrophe and felt more urgent. I’ve seen guards take down a dragon attack before and the oblivion gates were slaughtering everyone
@@iphone777well considering 99 percent of the npcs are non essential I think a dragon attack killing all the people in the city would be terrible. Especially since every time you fast travel there's at least an 70% chance a dragon is going to attack you. It would make for a very terrible game. Especially before getting dragon rend (which is useless anyway because the dragons just fly far away and wait for the spell to wear off). It would especially suck for a warrior character. Most of the time the dragons just keep flying around spraying you with fire or ice and there's nothing you can do. So making the dragons realistically powerful would simply make for a bad game. You wouldn't even be able to upgrade your thuums until you beat the entire game, because you'd need to beat Alduin so they could give you the (hopefully more powerful) dragon rend shout. The dragons are pretty tough. Especially for a melee character. The older the dragon the less likely they are to land. Half of the people playing probably do so with mods so it makes sense it'll be easier for you. I don't use mods and as a new player it's a tough game to beat. Even the dragr are tough.
@@iphone777 Except for the argononians who got advanced warning from the Hist Trees. Then counter attacked and forced the daedra to close them or risk being overrun.
Actually he did have more HP but that was about it
It's probably an unpopular opinion but I don't think Alduin should have been the main villain, mainly because they made him canonically way way way too powerful (in the lore he is a god). He should have at least functioned similar to how Mehrunes Dagon did in oblivion, a figure so powerful they cannot be fought directly unless by another god, so instead you fight his followers who increase his influence on Nirn. So I think Uriel V would have functioned as a more fitting villain in my opinion.
Cannonically the Dragonborn is also way way too powerful so I guess it evens out.
I mean it pretty much was a glorified mehrunes dragon, you just get to push buttons during the cutscenes and make a lil shout. Compared to mehrunes who gets dapped by my dude mantling akatosh, but its still wack how they did it in Skyrim. It's like doing that cutscene but putting lore foreshadowing in shitty visual effects that don't age well. Like shit it's interesting that alduin may have gone back to being akatosh, could you have done a better job explaining that better than a bunch of black chunks falling off a beam of light? Absofuckinglutely how's anyone supposed to parse that shit
Dragonborn is as god as Alduin. They're same. Alduin is just the leader of dragons.
Uriel V could have been the Mankar Camoran of Skyrim. It feels like leaving him out of the story was a shortcut.
The Dragonborn is a Shezzarine so I mean it was god against god technically
Honestly why wouldn't the empire just bow to uriel V? He is a septim, he controls an army of dragons which would be extremely useful against the thalmor etc.
That sounds to me like why they didn't do it. The Empire's response when a prior emperor arrived with an army of dragons would be "hell yeah, time to roll those Thalmor blankety blanks." He'd have to be roasting his own people that he wanted to rule again despite that acclaim, which would be hard to explain well.
@@westrim I think he would make for an interesting DLC or side villain, where he wants to kill you for whatever reason (possibly for being a rival / potential threat as a dragonborn). Maybe he was the one who arranged your execution at the beginning of the game. He'd also be a powerful emperor who is probably going to bring greatness to the empire again and destroy the Thalmor. Many would cheer for his return. Then, the player would be presented with many interesting choices. Do you choose to crush the empire's hope of Rebirth in order to get your revenge and claim his power for yourself? This would be a very neat way to tie in the Thalmor as well, since killing them always feels great. The Thalmor would be especially keen on killing both you and the returning emperor. There's also the matter of the remaining Mede dynasty. They certainly wouldn't be very happy about an emperor from a previous dynasty returning. I imagine they'd try to recruit you.
Because there is no need for a Septim to sit on the throne any longer. The Amulet of Kings and the Dragonfires are no longer needed, hence anyone can sit on the throne. Not to mention he's insane.
Report:Disaster at Ionith is the lore book describing Uriel V invasion of Akavir
This would’ve been way cooler than the dragon cult retcon of the Nords
What was the retcon?
@@DaBlackX i think the whole dragon war and dragon priests
@@DaBlackX the dragon cult bs they added last minute
@@AntonioPerez-wf2lf I think I might need to refresh myself on the Nord lore, because I'm still drawing a blank.
@@DaBlackX pretty much they created the dragon war specifically for skyrim. Before skyrim there was no mention of dragons ruling, dragon priest, or the thu'um being the language of the dragons. I think it was originally a nord magic from their connection to kyne. I'm pretty sure there are videos on the subject
that would have been way more interesting than alduin
Agreed. Alduin was so one note and run of the mill for a villain (now the dlcs had some alright villains) . Not to mention the lore shit that Bethesda gutted
By the same merit they could have ruined any villain. They could have just given Alduin a coherent story, a motivation, a goal that made sense in ANY fashion... or at least a decent battle that didn't require a useless shout that took too much work to get.
HOLY SHIT THATS MY AKAVIR MAP THAT I DREW YEARS AGO
Looks really good 👍
That would’ve been way cooler.
Don't forget one thing though. The lore and cut ideas always sound more interesting than what we actually get. Look how Bethesda handles their stories, they can't write a engaging one if their lives depend on it. I'm pretty sure this storyline would have been just as boring in execution as the actual story.
Alduin is trying to conquer the world as well,he never tries to eat it its said thats why the dragonborn was sent ot kill him,alduin abandoned his destiny and chose domination over ending it
The Alduin we fight isn’t the Devourer yet, he’s the Tyrant. Alduin got sent forward in time by 3 Nord heroes who used an elder scroll on him, so when we fight him he actually hasn’t “chosen” to control the world over destroying it, he just hasn’t come up with destroying it yet
Alduin in game is the corrupted aspect of akatosh and possibly lorkhan too if lorkhan really does end up being part of aka. There seems to be a trend where corrupted beings have this ebony motif, daedra especially have this imagery where black chunks form a shell or make the body that is influenced by these primordial forces. As if this is the difference between aedra and daedra, alduin tends to apear in religions that are older but doesn't have a negative view of alduin but as a part of nature cause it was another word for akatosh who is the cycle of the universe restarting. Alduin being the corrupted shedding of akatosh maligned the image and was made to be distinct by the perception of newer cultures having to deal with this new daedric aspect of time with no oblivion realm of its own. At the end you crack that shell releasing the pure aka juice inside to return to the flow of time. Hell could also be as simple as, this alduin was just a dragon who took up the name. Dragons aren't really born but they're turned into permanently by mortals, they were introduced to tamriel mainly by the original akaviri nords. I feel parthunax could also be trying to keep this from public knowledge
They should use him as a villain for the 6th game as a dlc expansion. Main story involves the second great war and another dlc should involve the return of the dwemer and other tribes of snow elves
I dont think they will ever completely answer or do anything about the dwemer disappearance. On one hand it would be great to finally have mysteries answered but even Tom Howard admitted that what makes Skyrim so special is all the gaps in its history. Filling those gaps may dissolve the magic of it all and leaves it less interesting.
@@cowtippinggiant9481 Honestly, I really hate that line of reasoning. "The mystery is great for the magic! I'm not avoiding filling plot holes!" The same logic used by the show runners of the Battlestar Galactica remake.
@@zacharyrollick6169 To each their own, I am sure everyone has their own opinion. I just like mysteries to stay mysteries instead of getting subpar explanations. That's not to say that there can't be very interesting explanations for mysteries. But I also love when we're given a chance to decide or infer outcomes on our own. Did the Dwemer's experiments with the heart of Lorkhan kill their whole race? Were they transported to a realm similar to the Soul Cairn? Did they manage to turn themselves into gods and simply cease to exist on mortal plains? All would be great answers, but half the intrigue to me is guessing!😄
@@cowtippinggiant9481 the thing is al mysteries can be found out and if i wanna dedicate my character as somebody who wants to unravel secrets, the lore should be within in the game hidden like some conspiracy theory shit.
@@zacharyrollick6169 That was 12 years ago, maybe Todd has changed his mind by now
Shit... That actually sounds better. Would've integrated into the civil war questline better, as well, presenting a pressing need to unify Skyrim. I am a little bit more disappointed in Skyrim now. Shit...
Another good idea is to put the idea of the Thamor invading in the players head.
The main story line is kinda weak compared to oblivion's
@@drhody4229 Can agree to that. The legendary dragonborn saves the world from a dragon they couldn't kill in the past. You just trained to be the thing you were. In oblivion you were nothing, a prisoner. Then you were given a prophecy. And it was your job to live up to that prophecy. You saved the bastard son of a dead emperor just to have one shot at driving back the hordes of hell meanwhile some idiot who worshiped the demon god that was trying to make that hell earth thing a reality was stalking you at every step as soon as you appeared. It felt amazing to put down Cameron. When you kill Alduin you're just like... Alright. I did it. I saved the world just like it said I would.
Only now?
@@TheRealAaronbrineTo be honest TES never had a particularly good story. The only games that had a more interesting story were Daggerfall and Morrowind and Oblivion's was atleast original in the way that you weren't the chosen one, you were helping the chosen one, but even then, it wasn't that interesting and was way too short, even if the gameplay itself was more diverse than anything we've seen since... Arena had the most basic plot ever and Skyrim isn't too far behind. All in all, 3 out of 5 games don't have that much of an interesting storyline.
This would've not only been cooler, but a good segway from Oblivion because of how much it leaned on Akavir themes
Or just make Alduin a legitimate threat.
*segue
@@bwackbeedows3629 *Segway 🛴
@@bwackbeedows3629 seppuku
That would be so fucking cool
I would have fought for the "bad guys" aka the proper emperor who is trying to fight off the Thalmore lol
I really hope someone makes a DLC sized mod to replicate what this would have been like :)
Basically a Targaryen
Tbf, part of me would've like to seen a DLC take place in Akavir
An Akaviri expedition was mentioned in one of the games. I think it’s the next big step for the series if I live long enough to see it.
Well elder scrolls 6 is in development so you’re likely to see something along these lines eventually. Although idk how much these newer games will have tie ins to the older ones.
I believe the Nerevarine was part of said expedition
@@madmanszalinski bro that'd be a dope ass reason for his disappearance. Cuz he supposedly did a lot after Morrowind, and then just vanished.
Once they're done with Tamriel, I'm sure they will move on to Akavir
@@MoosenOggen4343Yeah, it was mentioned in Oblivion if I'm not wrong. When the NPC's talk with each other. The guy went to Akavir.
"Uriel Septim VII from Oblivion" He had a major role in every game before it too. He got kidnapped in Arena, he's the one that sends the player ro Iliac Bay in Daggerfall, he's reh one who orders the release of the Nerevarine
Thats so cool! This is such a big concept change Im surprised I hadn't heard about it before now. This couldve fundamentally changed the entire theme of the game. The ancient dragon cult, all the ancient dragon sites, and the idea of the dragonborn itself would probably not have existed in the game or the lore if Bethesda had gone with this concept. That being said, having a long lost/long thought dead emperor return to his people as an enemy bent on reclaiming the empire is such a cool idea!! Id love to see something like this in a future game.
Uriel returning is very friendly to the lore aswell. Although his invasion failed, his fate is ultimately unknown.
According to the ingame book Report: Disaster at Ionith he was witnessed being killed by arrows while rallying the 10th Legion
@@knightingale9833 I thought I saw a lore video that the soldiers never actually witnessed him dying. They just presumed he did.
So it took Todd 12 years to feel brave enough to do fan interviews again. Brutal.
I think ppl get confused about alduins goal here Alduin, before the ancient nords sent him into the future, was hellbent on dominating the world & ruling it rather than destroy it for the next kalpa. After reappearing in the Player characters preasant, his goal was still the same, dominate & rule the world instead of end it
Pretty cool concept, especially since Uriel would be the last Septim, legitimate successor to the ruby throne and Empire of Tamriel. Technically, an emperor returning to his empire. Lots of interesting lore to that. Ah well.
Where my modders at? We the people need you to make this happen asap. Comment below if you want this to happen Sooner than later!!
Yes, please
Not possible
@@zherean42069I've seen more extravagant things done with modding you don't even know what you're talking about
All the people going "that's so much better!" are suffering from grass is greener/rose colored glasses/ choose your optimism metaphor. All you have is a brief sketch to go on, of course all the details you fill in will be the best possible in your opinion. But that's not how it would play out, because you weren't writing it and they didn't have 12 years of hindsight. 100% chance in that timeline people endlessly complain that it overrode the sacrifice of Martin and the end of the Septim bloodline.
people need to remember this is Bethesda their ideas are great but their execution is mediocre
To be honest, the last Septim being a deranged tyrant from Akavir doesn't really bode well for the dynasty.
@@Cherrywick76secret quest to help Uriel continue the bloodline would fix that
@@darkomihajlovski3135the ideas are great but massive and ambitious in scope and depth, and outside their - or anyone's - technical ability. There's undeniably open world rpgs that do elements like story, combat, quest design, level design, exploration, etc better. But I think there are no fantasy experiences more immersive than the first few hours of each elder scrolls game. They all lose steam and don't live up to the promise set by those early hours, especially in regards to environment and enemy variety (which is something that really lets the writing down, underselling the stakes and making all the early game build up seem silly imo), and they seem to be steering in a design direction that I don't believe plays to the strengths their earlier games had.
In the alternate timeline they're saying, "A dragon apocalypse would've been so much cooler than what we got. Alduin would've been a better villain than Septim."
Uriel got that Redguard in him 😂
Would love a future game or dlc to visit Akavir.
Uriel Septim V is not the Villain. He is the true and rightful emperor. Don't fall for Thalmor propaganda
Wrong. As a son of Akatosh, I am the rightful emperor ;3
It was definitely a good idea, but Todd believes mystery is an important thing to have in a fantasy world, so he scrapped it to maintain the mystery of Akavir. Besides, I feel like Uriel V should be a good guy. He’s quite possibly the Empire’s last chance at regaining Akatosh’s protection. Bethesda may have swapped out Uriel V as the main villain but they never scratched the possibility that he’s still alive.
Uriel V comes back still powerful af and everyone cheers his return BUT some powerful akaviri snake-dude controls him, plotting some shenanigans worthy of being TES6's antagonist.
@@Jlalo747 Assuming Todd will decide to finally unlock the door that keeps Akavir a mystery. That being said, I like your idea a lot, but it feels unlikely that one of Akavir’s snake men would manipulate Uriel V given how quick and easy they are to bowing to a Dragonborn, let alone control him. Though not impossible, imo. It would be interesting to try and save the Empire from such a puppeteer while the Thalmor are breathing down your neck trying to strike the same place for their own reasons. Stopping them would then prolong the Second Great War and buy the Empire more time to prepare for the inevitable conflict against the Thalmor-controlled Aldmeri Dominion. Even some High Elves hate the Thalmor.
@@teleportedbreadfor3days I wonder how they'd work in the dying of magic. Magic is fading pretty quickly from the world- not just as game mechanics, but by skyrim everyone is essentially in a dark-age in terms of magical attunement. Most artifacts found are not understood in the slightest beyond being "very powerful". It's highly likely that during the great war both Adlmeri and Imperial militaries were conscripting or otherwise 'burning' up mages trying to kill each other off, so a lot of the intellect and study associated with magic was rapidly extinguishing during the great war.
@@blackwoodsecurity531 If that’s really the case, there’s a theory the Thalmor are trying to reshape reality through actions like outlawing the worship of Talos. I know a lot of magical guilds were forced to shut down after the Great War ended miserably and the Thalmor finally got the chance to gain a foothold in Tamriel but if what you said about magic ‘fading’ is true, then it’s possibly the Thalmor are keeping all the magic for themselves to cultivate power and weaken the mortals they find so disgusting. I mean I’m not sure it’s true but given how the Thalmor are so ambitious that they tried to start another Oblivion Crisis before the Battle of the Red Ring just to win the war, I can’t completely dismiss it. They’ll do anything to weaken the enemy and get what they want, it seems. Although I’m not certain what exactly you’re referencing when you mention people not knowing how powerful certain artifacts are and all. If you’re thinking of the events of the Skyrim game, the Nords never had a trust or general like for magic for a while, anyway. They’re warriors who therefore really have no need for it and their distrust for magic only increased after the art’s involvement in the Oblivion Crisis. I’m sure magic will have a sudden spike in activity once the people rebel against the Thalmor and the Second Great War begins. An Empire who hates the Dominion living in their backyards surely does a lot of things the Thalmor don’t want them to in secret, the same self-absorbed bastards who don’t hide their distaste and intent very well, like, at all
For a minute i thought you were going to say that the original enemy was going go be Todd Howard. Probably a good thing it wasnt him, he would have been too powerful.
So many dragon born not fulfilling their "destiny"
Its always more interisting when a villain is a person and not just big angry monster
Watching a Septum return would be glorious. Altmer everywhere would just start sweating profusely.
Even though this never made it into the final game, it at least clues us in to what Bethesda's background working canon seems to be. That is: Uriel V is still alive and has amassed power in Akavir. (And now there Nerevarine is there too, if in-game gossip from Oblivion is to be believed.) And it makes sense. Long ago, Akaviri armies had come from to Tamriel in search of a Dragonborn and found Reman Cyrodiil and swore fealty to him. Later, a Dragonborn went to Akavir; seems natural to me to think that they would eventually recognize him as Dragonborn and do the same.
The real villain are the enemies we slaughtered along the way..
I'm glad they didn't fighting an ancient god which returned to destroy the world is more heroic than some old guy
I found it a rather generic story. Hero slaying the dragon is beyond played out.
Mid take
My guy loves marvel movie plots
Bro falls asleep when trying to entertain himself with anything other than MCU
L take
Art was made by Lorkhatosh by the way! The team just wants him to get proper credit. Honestly surprising to find a reference to UM out of nowhere.
Wow... That seems more interesting than what we have now...
Dawg who made my boy a redguard 😭
Yeah. I mean woulda been cool if Alduin was larger at least. But this villain sounds cooler.
Well tbf, Alduin’s goal wasn’t to destroy the world, only to conquer it. The reason you kill him is because he turned to a conquering tyrant, and the reason Akatosh sends you to kill him in Dragonborn form is because he strayed from his whole world-eater purpose. So essentially now Akatosh can recycle his soul to create a new world-eater, good job guys.
I wanna visit Akivir so bad.
Would've been better. Alduin never flew with me honestly. Making a human a greedy and CONQUER/DESTROY THE WORLD type would've been okay, but making a dragon be like that really dissapoints me and it is a wasted potential. They could've done much more with Alduin, yet no, he is just a boring villain :/
And everyone is also always like "Noooo he's a force of nature, and was gonna EAT THE WORLD" yeeaaahhh, that's what the Nord's say. But what's more likely is that he wants to go back to when humans were all slaves to them. It's a human prophecy after all.
In all fairness, both concepts sound pretty cool. Originally, you have the Firstborn dragon of Akatosh vs the Last Dragonborn. Then, you have a member of the Septim dynasty vs an unknown outlander. But as I've seen being said, this is Bethesda we're talking about. Uriel V may sound cool conceptual wise, but what we'd likely get is no different from what we got with Alduin. Except we'd probably get an even more underwhelming fight than what we got with Alduin or even Miirak.
This would have made more sense than putting down the firstborn of THE god in Elder Scrolls. I'd rather feel like I'm going toe to toe with my equal than winning an impossible battle because plot armor. That's why Miraak felt like a more satisfying boss than Alduin. Also, this would have actually raised the stakes of the civil war rather than making it seem like a mild inconvenience at best
I like the Arthur hawkwing reference with the armies returned across the sea. So many good dragon reborn references in this game
The world needs an Elder Scrolls movie series
The problem is that they would probably ruin it.
This would be amazing for an Elder Scrolls VI set in Hammerfell. I mean, Uriel V coming back from Akavir with an army of dragons at the height of the Great War unrest in Tamriel would be a good storyline. It’d also take over the most boring part of Skyrim’s questlines, the Civil War and Great War. Maybe it could even be a DLC after the main game.
That wiuld've been SO much more interesting
So not all the septims are dead after oblivion
Just started playing Skyrim again and it’s changing my life
They should totally make him the bad guy of Hammerfell
Maybe if they kept this idea in the vanilla game, the main quest wouldn't be such forgettable garbage.
This is such a better plot imo.
The first time my sister described Skyrim to me, I thought it was about a wizard who could control dragons and also turn into one. 6 years later and I’ve bought Skyrim 4 times.
I miss when Elder Scrolls was whacky, bizarre, unique and racist to elves. Long gone are those days. Now Skyrim 2 will come out years to come and big stupid dumb lazy monster dragon end boss. No intrigue, politics, internal conflicts, deceit and betrayal. what a way to destroy some of the craziest and interesting lore from a IP
Skyrim 2?
@@ShockedApple a dumbed down elder scrolls that follows a more linear and simpler mechanics to accommodate a larger audience and lose uniqueness and character
@@MusashiW-ec2yn ah I see now
Of course, a cooler concept being sidelined by something lame
👏🏻 I 👏🏻 LOVE 👏🏻 THIS 👏🏻 CONCEPT!!!
This has nothing to do with the video but most people forget that the hero/player you play as in oblivion is actually sheogorath in skyrims madness quest
Try speaking not through your teeth
that is why its called early concept, Stuff like this happens all the time.
The real villain is obviously the frost troll of the 7000 steps
See, the issue is, I woulda supported Uriel over the Thalmor and Empire any day 😂
Honestly I'm surprised someone in the modding community hasn't made a mod about this yet😅
I love the cinematic in the background, ten out of ten.
He would have been like Miraak
Miraak is 100% a time traveling Dragonborn- I choose to believe he is Uriel V
Goddamn. He's so tanned he's now a red guard.
OH MY GREATNESS ! that is phenomenal and creative
"another day, another septim" 😂
see, I would have joined uriel the 5th, restoring Talos's blood to the imperial; throne would be the best thing for all men.
This story would make a great DLC and to top it off it could take place in the northern region of Cyrodiil where Bruma is located.
Would love to see the original dragon blood line comeback I think of the emperor in oblivion as an old friend
The music got me wanting to quit my job to start another run
I still like the idea of him not being a villain but a man desperate to save his empire from the aldmeir dominion or however you pronounce it lol
There's actually a mention of his story in books available in the game, specifically Report: Disaster At Ionith. This book also appeared in Oblivion. This report actually states that survivors of the failed invasion witnessed Uriel V die, struck down by arrows. Since the book appeared in Oblivion, it makes you wonder how he was supposed to return. Miraak's death wasn't witnessed, only assumed given the length of time, and he seemingly survived so long thanks to Hermaeus Mora. But how would Uriel V have survived when people witnessed him being struck down by arrows?
This would’ve been cool. I really hope they bring back a thought to be gone species as the main antagonists in a future story.
i like that they decided to expand the skyrim lore more, than to force imperial lore to it.
I think it would be great if they used him as an antagonist for a game about the dragonborn after the event of Skyrim
I actually predicted that Elder scrolls 6 would be about: Uriel Septim V coming back from his conquest of Akavir with his new snakemen army, in the midst of a Second Great War between the Aldmeri and Empire faction in Hammerfell. Perhaps, they will go along with this idea.
That would have been way better than what we got. Sliders dragon doesn't quite hit the same as the return of a legendary king from a couple hundred years before. Could have tied the dark brotherhood, thieves guild, and college quest lines into it. Plus we might finally get to hear more about Akavir.
In the Rigmor of Cyrodil mod you fight akavir "remnants" some of which are said to be legion soldiers from that failed invasion.
You mean the main antagonist may have been more involved with the actual main storyline crazzyyy
I don’t think he’d even really need an army or a war. As a member of the Septim dynasty he’d have a Legitimate claim to the imperial throne, this almost happened when necromancers attempted to resurrect Potema Septim, the Wolf Queen in the quest. However her resurrection was thwarted.
Sounds like a ready-made premise for some modding team to make.
uriel be like ' aye ass whipe stop eating ny dragons lol were trying to kill the last dragon born 😂
I would play that version of skyrom
I honestly would play this alternative too. Love dragon born but this would have been cool to see.