Gravel Bike VS Road Bike | Which Is Fastest On The Cobbles Of Paris Roubaix

2020 ж. 11 Сәу.
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The cobbled roads of Paris Roubaix are absolutely brutal. Designed for horse drawn farm carts and tractors, they hardly seem rideable on a traditional road bike, and watching the pros race full gas across the sectors of Pavé is one of the most impressive parts of the sport. But is a road bike the best tool for the job, or would a gravel bike be quicker? Before the Covid-19 pandemic, Conor was out in Northern France to test which bike would be faster across the Carrefour De L'Arbre; road or gavel?
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  • I am waiting for Canyon to make a Limited Edition "Red Baron" Grail with three hover bars; in red of course.

    @RoninCycling@RoninCycling4 жыл бұрын
    • Genius.

      @pahouseholder@pahouseholder3 жыл бұрын
    • HAHAHA I would buy that shit

      @SWED510@SWED5103 жыл бұрын
    • Waw... i actually want one now

      @timothyvalcke6074@timothyvalcke60743 жыл бұрын
    • Emblazoned with black Iron Crosses!

      @matthewcrich5951@matthewcrich59513 жыл бұрын
    • Lmaoo

      @ksubsbefore-vr8qr@ksubsbefore-vr8qr3 жыл бұрын
  • Gap would narrow more with 38mm slick gravel tyres fitted like Panaracer Gravel Kings rather than running knobblies

    @shaldon08@shaldon084 жыл бұрын
    • Yep can't believed he used knobbie tires for this. Almost invalidates the whole excercise

      @fbaqueda@fbaqueda4 жыл бұрын
    • Totally what I was thinking too, slicks on the gravel bike, and I bet it would win.

      @dougphoto@dougphoto4 жыл бұрын
    • Also, both sets of tyres should be from the same manufacturer, and ideally the same tyre type, so that width is the only difference as far as tyres are concerned. These sort of GCN videos are good, but with a bit more thought and care put into the methodology, they’d be really good.

      @nickd5367@nickd53674 жыл бұрын
    • My thoughts exactly. I love those freaking tires. Throw on a Lauf fork too and you're done.

      @JosephDiaz@JosephDiaz4 жыл бұрын
    • Also, don't forget the aero wheels.

      @asawaide5873@asawaide58734 жыл бұрын
  • 10:30 Conor: 'Back in the studio! Recovered from Belgium.' after riding Paris-Roubaix course. *French riot ensues*

    @Vii_DT@Vii_DT4 жыл бұрын
    • 🤣🤣🤣👌👌

      @Mainswitch55@Mainswitch554 жыл бұрын
    • the "paved road section" was in belgium while the cobbles were in france (carrefour de l'arbre section but ridden in the opposite direction compared to what the riders do in Paris Roubaix//although the cobbled corner seemed to me like they rode it in the same direction as the pro's....which is quite odd)

      @pieterannaert5129@pieterannaert51294 жыл бұрын
    • @@pieterannaert5129 Thank you for that, so riot in france can be stopped! :-) Anyway that comment was funny as hell. Regards!

      @Mainswitch55@Mainswitch554 жыл бұрын
    • @@pieterannaert5129 Thought the same, seeing the roadsigns ... M-E-P isn't far from the border but i doubt they did it ons the same day ...

      @sensesfailler@sensesfailler4 жыл бұрын
    • Belgium, France... Aren't Ireland and England more or less the same thing? 🤣🤣🤣 Just being facetious...

      @julmeissonnier@julmeissonnier4 жыл бұрын
  • It would be interesting to see a similar comparison, but with the gravel bike wearing large volume but slick tyres instead of the knobbies - that would probably be a better setup for a course like this.

    @whataname955@whataname9554 жыл бұрын
  • Great comparison, I like that. But calculations are wrong. 4h 49m + 1h 45m = 6h 34m So the difference between road and gravel bikes is 12m.

    @edifier852@edifier8524 жыл бұрын
    • glad someone else spotted that, been driving me nuts! Maybe Conor could use the same dodgy maths to make the gravel bike faster!

      @steved3303@steved33034 жыл бұрын
    • @@alwaysthinkbig5661 the video isn't about daily commuting, though

      @deabreu.tattoo@deabreu.tattoo4 жыл бұрын
    • @@deabreu.tattoo right

      @alwaysthinkbig5661@alwaysthinkbig56614 жыл бұрын
    • @@deabreu.tattoo so?

      @danielandersson3539@danielandersson35393 жыл бұрын
    • @@danielandersson3539 Good Catch. Well done.

      @trevorcolby7364@trevorcolby73643 жыл бұрын
  • Irish national champ stripes for Conor! Matt and Emma had their respective stripes on their GCN kit.

    @kibblerspencer@kibblerspencer4 жыл бұрын
    • Doesn't sound Irish?

      @goldenretriever6261@goldenretriever62614 жыл бұрын
    • Golden Retriever theres like 100 different accents in ireland. Just because he doesnt sound like Conor McGregor doesnt mean he’s not irish 🤦‍♂️

      @toomuch9762@toomuch97624 жыл бұрын
  • now throw some 35 or even 40mm slicks on that gravel bike and test again :D

    @fuckelonmusk@fuckelonmusk4 жыл бұрын
    • I rode it last year on my gravel with wtb byway 47mm 650b tires. The where way faster then my mates...

      @paulverweij6348@paulverweij63484 жыл бұрын
    • This!

      @aymericpeten761@aymericpeten7614 жыл бұрын
    • Being limited by a reliance on corporate agreements really killed this. The guys winning gravel races aren’t using canyon bikes and continental tires. The grail doesn’t look like it could compete with a warbird or superx. Conti doesn’t seem to make anything like a byway or gravelking. And then gearing... can’t just plop a gravel bike in like this and compare. Changing the gearing, positioning, etc. and there’d be much closer.

      @austinshoupe3003@austinshoupe30034 жыл бұрын
    • Exactly. The extra rolling resistance on those tires is coming from the tread and rubber compounds, not the width. Almost any pair of slicks should make a pretty big difference in the end results.

      @MatthewJohnson85@MatthewJohnson854 жыл бұрын
    • Specialized Pathfinder Pro.

      @JBroms64@JBroms644 жыл бұрын
  • Seeing as I would be out the back in the first 30seconds, I would take the gravel bike for some comfort in my 250km lonely slog.

    @Symbioticism@Symbioticism4 жыл бұрын
    • Indeed! From there, it’s just a matter of how much you suffer. And in that sense , gravel bike all the way. I don’t ride cobble OR gravel, but some of the back roads I ride are nearly as bad. I am considering a new bike, and this video is instructive.

      @donadams5094@donadams50944 жыл бұрын
    • After riding some rough, but no where near as rough as those cobbles, roads in Idaho on my road bike a few years ago, I said never again. Actually I said it several times. I was so tired and felt so beat up at the end. The first 30 miles felt like I had already ridden 50.

      @michaelb1761@michaelb17614 жыл бұрын
  • It would have been better if you had used slick, or almost slick gravel tyres. Knobs like that are only needed on loose surfaces or mud. If you had done so the tarmac times would have been much closer and probably faster on the cobbles as well.

    @Barryens@Barryens4 жыл бұрын
    • They also didn’t take into account the fact that on the road surface he put out 5 W less average power and on the cobble surface he put out 10 W less power on average

      @liquidwombat@liquidwombat4 жыл бұрын
    • That was my immediate thought as soon as I saw the Canyon Grail, why are they using these knobby tires? It's going to immediately be an issue on the road slowing the bike down, and it's completely unnecessary for the cobbles. I'm not saying the Paris Roubaix should be ridden on gravel bikes, but I'd like to see a real comparison. I swear man, every time GCN does a comparison like this they always miss one item that can make a big difference. It's like they get so close every time, but really they need to redo the test properly because in my mind this should've been a closer time on the road.

      @Hardcaslte@Hardcaslte4 жыл бұрын
    • You win a GCN bottle!

      @jlyonia@jlyonia4 жыл бұрын
    • Agreed. He should redo this one with slicks on the gravel bike.

      @mechadroit@mechadroit4 жыл бұрын
    • If Conor had used slicks on the gravel bike, it wouldn't have been a genuine *gravel bike* comparison. Because out of the shops they _don't_ come with slicks.

      @ViveSemelBeneVivere@ViveSemelBeneVivere4 жыл бұрын
  • "I can barely walk on them" To be fair, you can barely walk anywhere in those roadie shoes...

    @wtfiswiththosehandles@wtfiswiththosehandles4 жыл бұрын
  • Great video! Now, the problem with extrapolations is that you can't take the result for 2 km and extend it for 200 km for such a difficult and varied course. Unfortunately, unless someone can maintain the same environmental conditions and power output over the same course using both bikes, there isn't much else that could be done. Having said that, 7 minutes difference over the span of almost 7 hours of ride is most certainly less than the error associate to extrapolating this particular data. So, the jury is still out on this one. Congratulations once again and looking forward to your next video!

    @AndreiNeacsu@AndreiNeacsu4 жыл бұрын
  • The starting before the timed runs without Si's "BEEEEEEP" just isn't the same....

    @richardhaselwood9478@richardhaselwood94784 жыл бұрын
    • Richard Haselwood I agree completely

      @lukecooper1993@lukecooper19934 жыл бұрын
  • given that every pro with serious expectations in the race rides with a Roubaix specific bike, his starting point with using a standard road race bike is wrong

    @NJRD977@NJRD9774 жыл бұрын
  • Very thankful for all the former professionals on GCN. So talented, informative, and humble.

    @kpj9176@kpj91764 жыл бұрын
  • The speed you ride the cobbles makes all the difference. At 40 km/h it feels much smoother because your tyres only contact the top surface of all cobbles. At lower speeds your tyres will contact the lower gaps between the cobbles as well, which makes it much harder.

    @janwillemkuilenburg7561@janwillemkuilenburg75614 жыл бұрын
    • But, at higher speed on road slicks you'll bounce more and spend less time in contact with the ground and pushing forward, whereas with wider tires with lower pressure your contact will be more constant, actually enabling you to go faster and more efficiently (GCN did a video on this--albeit over rough pavement, not full on cobbles--with Emma Pooley).

      @danbuck9214@danbuck92144 жыл бұрын
  • Put 38mm slicks on the gravel bike!

    @franmcgowan4068@franmcgowan40684 жыл бұрын
    • Yup exactly... those nobbles aren't needed and will be slowing it down more than the width!

      @markjthomson@markjthomson4 жыл бұрын
    • I have some 35mm Terreno zeros and I think they would be just the ticket. Just yesterday I did 70 rd miles with my friend who was on 28mm slicks (both gravel bikes) and could keep up fine on the road, but he couldn't even follow me onto dirt trails.

      @adanielweaver@adanielweaver4 жыл бұрын
    • @@adanielweaver That's because wider tires aren't any slower on the road, it's a huge misconception.

      @Brauljo@Brauljo4 жыл бұрын
    • ... or 38mm slicks on the road bike?

      @MrBradSmith@MrBradSmith4 жыл бұрын
    • @@MrBradSmith If 38mm tires fit, then isn't it a gravel bike?

      @adanielweaver@adanielweaver4 жыл бұрын
  • Great vid guys! One of my favourite so far :)

    @cyclenutter2715@cyclenutter27154 жыл бұрын
  • Cool test, well done! Interesting to see lower power leading to faster time on the cobbles. I thought the road bike was going to be closer actually. I'm happy with going for a gravel bike. I don't need max speed no compromise, just a bit of speed and a good bit of suppleness.

    @olamarvin@olamarvin4 жыл бұрын
  • Aight boys time to run 32c in Carrefour de l'abre

    @RudiDwiHartanto@RudiDwiHartanto4 жыл бұрын
  • i'm loving these Conor on the cobbles videos

    @Svartez@Svartez4 жыл бұрын
  • Wouldn't a less nobbly tyre on the gravel bike be grippier and quicker on the cobbles?

    @kpizzle1985@kpizzle19854 жыл бұрын
    • Grippier, no (since it was wet, and this where slick tire are ded), but definitely faster!

      @aymericpeten761@aymericpeten7614 жыл бұрын
    • @@aymericpeten761 as there's no standing water to clear I wouldn't have thought a nobbly tyre would add more traction, if anything I would have thought the reduced surface area of the tyre would reduce traction? According to the video the only bike Conor came off on was the gravel bike...

      @kpizzle1985@kpizzle19854 жыл бұрын
    • Definitely a poor tire choice for cobbles, great tire for dirt, I would have used slicks 35-38mm better traction.

      @Peter-tc3ep@Peter-tc3ep4 жыл бұрын
    • @@Peter-tc3ep I agree, would have made the experiment a bit more interesting, still a good watch though. If only we knew what tyres were used on the Orbea... 😬

      @kpizzle1985@kpizzle19854 жыл бұрын
    • @@Peter-tc3ep Would have been great to see him use Specialized Pathfinder or WTB ByWays - or similar - that have a smooth centre but a decent tread on the tire shoulder...

      @frazergoodwin4945@frazergoodwin49454 жыл бұрын
  • Very cool video....truly enjoyed this....awesome work....keep.up the great job.👍🇨🇦

    @kennedystuart5685@kennedystuart56854 жыл бұрын
  • This test assumes what is basically an ITT over the entire course. The first hundred+ miles of tarmac would be fairly relaxed in the draft of the peloton for the big hitters. That would completely negate the benefit of the road bike over the gravel bike for most of the smooth pavement. Gravel bike could easily be the better choice for the last 1/3 of the race when the pave comes thick and heavy.

    @robbybeauchamp@robbybeauchamp4 жыл бұрын
    • Robby Beauchamp pause. Exactly, a gravel bike with better tires & 53t chainring would haul ass in the peloton.

      @crypto_que@crypto_que4 жыл бұрын
    • Ideally you'd just swap bikes after the first 100k

      @treygray2817@treygray28174 жыл бұрын
    • Conor discusses it in the video and sees it quite the opposite. He might by dropped on the slower bike before even getting to the cobbles. BTW there have been debates about CX bikes for Paris-Roubaix for ages. It is nothing new. And the road bike is still used by the best. www.velonews.com/news/paris-roubaix-tech-saur-sojasuns-cyclocross-bikes-for-the-cobbles/

      @fukav1am@fukav1am4 жыл бұрын
  • This test was about as scientific as the UK's approach to dealing with Covid-19.

    @dodge3048@dodge30484 жыл бұрын
    • Dodge US government enters chat room...

      @mannyrei1@mannyrei14 жыл бұрын
    • @@mannyrei1 🕵️‍♂️

      @dodge3048@dodge30484 жыл бұрын
    • not funny but lmao

      @ultimatechrisso6592@ultimatechrisso65924 жыл бұрын
    • There is no covid so science is irrelevent. There is only the failures of Men which has led to Britain climbing into its grave, a grave that was dug in 1939 when it made the biggest mistake in history.

      @smallhatshatethetruth7933@smallhatshatethetruth79333 жыл бұрын
    • @@smallhatshatethetruth7933 you ok hun? Back on the dugs again?

      @dodge3048@dodge30483 жыл бұрын
  • Lets be honest we all love cycling videos this is just what I need to get it going the blood I love it. I always watch these before I go out and get my body moving. I love when I always watch one of these, and then put up my heavy playlist I love like Delta Parole and then I just go haaaaard!!!! Tactic hasnt let me down yet.

    @hiddenrob6289@hiddenrob62894 жыл бұрын
  • Cool video, Conor! I would be super interested in seeing a second analysis in which the gravel bike has the same aero wheelset as the road bike while also running 40+ mm road slick tires. I reckon that would seriously whittle the distance between the two setups on the road without slowing the gravel bike down much on the pave. I've had great success on mixed surfaces with 40mm WTB Byways on my Canyon cross bike.

    @ryanwells4972@ryanwells49724 жыл бұрын
  • Great experiment and video Connor! For me personally I would definitely need to change bikes for the cobbles as my poor old bones wouldn't be able to cope with these brutal cobbles!! Lol

    @brianr6387@brianr63874 жыл бұрын
  • Great video, those cobbles look brutal. Broke my femur once on a FLAT road. Conclusion was good and besides the pro race neutral support only carry road gear.

    @jackronald3591@jackronald35914 жыл бұрын
  • Spinergy in the background. Love them!

    @jacgn_cycling@jacgn_cycling4 жыл бұрын
  • Smoother tyres and a double-chainring with closer ratios maybe help on the gravel bike too? Great contribution as always, Connor!

    @markmitchenall5948@markmitchenall59484 жыл бұрын
  • Great content, I always guessed how those high performance road bikes where doing on those cobbles

    @ridewithgae1467@ridewithgae14674 жыл бұрын
  • Excellent video, cheers

    @MiataBRG@MiataBRG4 жыл бұрын
  • entertaining comparison video. Thank you.

    @amv7m@amv7m3 жыл бұрын
  • excellent video most enjoyable !

    @alanhill7965@alanhill79654 жыл бұрын
  • I was looking forward to Connor racing the entire course twice - but no we got 2x4km of the fastest man in GCN livery. 👍 special!

    @rrobotman@rrobotman4 жыл бұрын
  • More Roubaix contents.. More more moooore!!!

    @paullubbers939@paullubbers9394 жыл бұрын
  • I certainly wouldn’t run knobby tires on a gravel bike for Roubaix! My go-to would be gravel bike with tubeless 35mm Rene Herse Bon Jon tires, the ultimate Roubaix rubber!

    @ChlorophyllCrusher@ChlorophyllCrusher4 жыл бұрын
  • I am curious whether a more competition-oriented gravel bike (such as the 3T Exploro or the Cervelo Aspero) would widen that gap. You would likely lose most of the advantage in comfort from the Grail, but you could gain that back by running either 38c or 42c tires. Also, were you running clincher or tubeless?

    @TheSlurpeeMan@TheSlurpeeMan4 жыл бұрын
    • the new trek cx boone would obliterate those imo, also the domane is the best bike to the cobles with the isospeed

      @bernardo9202@bernardo92022 жыл бұрын
  • Gravel bikes aren't meant to be faster necessarily, just more capable and comfortable. You wouldn't run a 40 1x up front if your focus was speed.

    @dvoob@dvoob4 жыл бұрын
  • Good comparison thanks

    @welwellwell71@welwellwell71 Жыл бұрын
  • Hi. I enjoyed this video a lot. On the road bike (Orbea) with Mavics did you use tubeless tyres?

    @yavuzuzay@yavuzuzay4 жыл бұрын
  • 1:48 From now on I think that size XXL bikes are starting to look better than smol ones. Would cut steam tho! Not only because I'm 195+cm.

    @navsvarigi@navsvarigi4 жыл бұрын
  • With a better gravel bike setup (slick tires and more comparable gearing) and a more racey bike frame (no anti aero hoverbar for example) the test would have been much closer. Ultimately a majority tarmac route will always favor the aer road bike though!

    @grandad1982@grandad19824 жыл бұрын
    • i dont think the hoverbars would have done any difference

      @Daniel-dj7fh@Daniel-dj7fh4 жыл бұрын
    • Was thinking the same thing. Running 32-36mm slick tires at ~70-80psi would be an interesting test.

      @rygilly32@rygilly324 жыл бұрын
    • @@rygilly32 woudl kind defeat the "Gravel" part of the bike wouldn't it. gravel bikes run fat tires. one could choose a hard gravel tire with less nobs

      @Daniel-dj7fh@Daniel-dj7fh4 жыл бұрын
    • @@Daniel-dj7fh You are absolutely right, it really wouldn't be a "gravel" bike at that point, if the rules of the game are such. I guess I was thinking in terms deviation from what is standard on a pro race bike, to achieve as much as possible the best of both worlds. It's all relative of course, but in the peloton 36mm tires will probably look pretty fat. 😉

      @rygilly32@rygilly324 жыл бұрын
  • Great video. Would be great to extend the experiment with more variations as mentioned in the other comments. Tyres / pressure etc

    @brucemckenzie4167@brucemckenzie41674 жыл бұрын
  • excellent video mate!

    @jusuflazami9580@jusuflazami95802 жыл бұрын
    • Thankyou!

      @gcn@gcn2 жыл бұрын
  • The number of people who show up just to run down GCN videos is astonishing. It’s practically a sport unto itself, all these know-it-all keyboard warriors showing how much smarter or more insightful they are than everybody else. Whatever. I thought this was an excellent video, one that may well inform my next purchase. I don’t ride cobble or gravel, but I do ride some really rough back roads. For me, the small advantage in speed a road bike has under optimal conditions is almost certainly offset by reduced fatigue and better rough-surface speed with a gravel bike. Test after test shows that the gains associated with small weight reductions and marginal improvements in aerodynamics are worth neither the cost nor the discomfort for 99% of riders. Pros and elite amateur racers aside, a bike that provides a more comfortable ride will do more to keep you riding and training than anything else, and probably just as fast in real world conditions. So thanks to GCN for yet another interesting and useful test, never mind what the anonymous geniuses say in the comment section.

    @donadams5094@donadams50944 жыл бұрын
  • Next try a semi suspended road bike like the Specialized Roubaix or Canyon Endurace with 32mm slicks at a lower pressure

    @jimmyhor78@jimmyhor784 жыл бұрын
    • Just Me it’s almost like specialized made a bike specifically for this race...

      @mf0u3021@mf0u30214 жыл бұрын
    • Agreed. Though this is another take at the ongoing, current romance with gravel bikes.

      @pahouseholder@pahouseholder3 жыл бұрын
  • Fro the start the biggest Faux Pas from my perspective is tyre choice on the Gravel bike! If you wanted side by side comparison the Gravel bike should have run high volume slick tyres. Then the on road sections would have been closer, and the cobble sectors would still have been faster on the Gravel Bike. A more realistic side by side comparison IMO

    @sbcc01@sbcc014 жыл бұрын
  • I love these tests! I’m definitely a fan of the gravel bike. If I recall correctly, all of the road vs. gravel bike videos GCN have done run the gravel bike on fairly knobby tires on the road sections which would seem to be a large disadvantage. I used to run 38c Hutchinson Override tires on mine and they are definitely fast on the road, and surprisingly good off. Not as fast as the 28c Conti GP 5000 TLR’s I now run, but I never had trouble keeping up with the pure roadies I ride with. Any chance of using more road biased tires on a gravel bike for the road section of a road vs. gravel bike shootout?

    @originalkontrol@originalkontrol4 жыл бұрын
  • Interesting as I've been wondering about this for doing the sportive. Seems like gravel bike would be way to go given extra comfort / sturdier wheels / tyres etc

    @SwanWillTearYouApart@SwanWillTearYouApart4 жыл бұрын
  • An other thing you forget is that in the end of paris roubaix, the last two sectors are really minors. The last hard sector "carrefour de l'arbre" is 15 km away from the end. The end is 6 kilometers of straight avenue with a finish in the velodrome. You abolutely don't want to be with a less performant bike when you get there and you can't change your bike at this point.

    @Difdauf@Difdauf4 жыл бұрын
  • My next gravel bike(maybe new diverge 2021 god bless) gets the wtb exposure in 36mm for road and light gravel. Right now i am running the wtb exposure on my 2017 diverge expert and love it so far.

    @awesomesloppyjoe@awesomesloppyjoe4 жыл бұрын
  • Another great GCN test! I would for sure ride the more compliant gravel bike. I noticed on both segments, your power was lower on the gravel bike. I wonder why, and how close the results would be if your power had been equal?

    @derekhartloper11@derekhartloper112 жыл бұрын
  • Great video..... would love to do that sportive some day sooo good info but what pedals you using on your road bike Conor🤔😀

    @jascollinscork@jascollinscork4 жыл бұрын
    • I think he was using power meter pedals of some description.

      @DavidWaites@DavidWaites4 жыл бұрын
    • those are Powertap P2s

      @JSON1C@JSON1C4 жыл бұрын
  • This Orbea is visually the nicest bike ever!

    @ziegejohn7907@ziegejohn79074 жыл бұрын
  • I think the key here is to find something that does both fairly well like a 33c tubular with a file or no tread. It would roll almost as fast on tarmac but offer some really help on the pave.

    @ruffrydazz2032@ruffrydazz20324 жыл бұрын
  • Well done. Thank you. Ride to the level of your smile.

    @bikeskimawk670@bikeskimawk6704 жыл бұрын
  • Nice video. Very entertaining and interesting! Are those toilet paper rolls in the background of your set? :-D

    @HoldenAdventures@HoldenAdventures4 жыл бұрын
  • the position of that cycle computer though at 1:33

    @Vii_DT@Vii_DT4 жыл бұрын
    • reason for me for not buying the grail. these handlebars are just a silly idea. no bikepacking bags at front, horrible computer placement, no aero setup possible and you can just use canyon replacement parts...

      @mocas@mocas4 жыл бұрын
    • he talks about it at 4:23

      @outsidestuff4867@outsidestuff48674 жыл бұрын
    • My OCD is killing me looking at that

      @charliewhiskey8440@charliewhiskey84404 жыл бұрын
    • Sorry that's my fault! There is a neat place to screw a head unit mount under the bars... I just err.. forgot to pack it on this trip. Grail bars are different but honestly, after riding them a while now I love them.

      @conordunne1@conordunne14 жыл бұрын
    • @@conordunne1 If there is a chance in the future please do a video on this vs Redshift Shockstop vs Lauf fork vs FutureShock :-)

      @charliewhiskey8440@charliewhiskey84404 жыл бұрын
  • Would you put fat slicks on the gravel bike on a course like this rather than those knobbies which I'd image do not help over cobbles?

    @charliewhiskey8440@charliewhiskey84404 жыл бұрын
  • I was going to ride the Tour of Flanders sportive this yr on my gravel bike with 38mm Schwalbe G ones and a redshift suspension stem but beaten by Covid19. I think the way forward will be a mix of these bikes, maybe those fancy handlebars and 32mm tyres with less nobbly bits on a road bike.

    @davidgregory9003@davidgregory90034 жыл бұрын
  • I would do the test one more time only this time lead out with the gravel bike and follow with the road bike. That way you have an equal comparison. It doesn't really matter though because none of us often ride on cobbles. That being said, I still enjoyed the comparison and all of your comments. Very well done.

    @Jim-ub9qy@Jim-ub9qy4 жыл бұрын
  • Good video Connor. Since I’m not a pro and would not be racing I’d take the gravel bike myself, no question about it.

    @humbertoleandro896@humbertoleandro8964 жыл бұрын
  • Man, with that bike of yours, I won't be able to reach the ground with my feet even if I sit on the toptube 🤣

    @caesarianboii8060@caesarianboii80604 жыл бұрын
  • Last year I used a gravel bike over a road bike in a "road race with off-road sectors". I tuned the gravel bike towards pavement with 32mm slick tyres and road gearing. As Conor suspected I still got dropped on the paved roads before the first off-road sector. While my lack of legs was the main reason it's also the case that marginal differences in speed can be determinative in racing (just ask Team Sky). If you can't stay with the pack on the road any gravel bike advantage becomes moot, but a fitter rider might fare better provided they can reach the cobbles with the bunch.

    @rosscads@rosscads4 жыл бұрын
  • I’d have taken the gravel bike any day! Ps I know that reciprocal feeling of helping your in laws when staying over to say thanks for the good food and hospitality 😄

    @diverg3@diverg34 жыл бұрын
  • Great film Conor. I'd definitely go with your idea of a bike change before Arenberg. Also I don't think you'd need to run the knobblies you had on the canyon. Something like the Panaracer Gravelking in a 38 might be a quicker tyre. Interesting experiment though!

    @daveybaa@daveybaa4 жыл бұрын
  • There have been many experiments over the years, from suspension forks in the early 90's, to Mueseuw's full suspension Bianchi in the mid-90's to pseudo-cyclo-cross bikes in the early 00's. When all is said and done,the pros keep returning to pretty basic road bikes (maybe with a FEW small modifications) so that should tell us all something about what works best for them!

    @johns3106@johns31064 жыл бұрын
  • My mate Luke did it on a Boone! Personally, if I was going to have a go I wouldn't be in it to win but just to have a go and enjoy the experience, so the extra comfort of my Checkpoint SL5 (maybe with some super lightweight wheels and tyres) would be my weapon of choice. Comfort all the way!

    @jozephsky@jozephsky4 жыл бұрын
  • Nice test, I enjoyed watching this. However, I was just wondering: the grail would need a double chain ring and a different gearing (ca 53/44 - 25/11) - I assume the pro mechanics would do this, if a gravel bike would be considered an option. And the tires would have to be some sort of slick version, and about 28-35 millimeters wide. Perhaps this could change the results a bit. Also I was asking myself if the canyon hoverbar is UCI compliant. Just a freely swung comment to this video. Thanks GCN.

    @adriankrucker2159@adriankrucker21594 жыл бұрын
  • Great video

    @joerossa1112@joerossa11124 жыл бұрын
  • You were running a one by on the gravel! Would it make a difference with a bigger chainring? Or putting a two by....

    @GoodGuyofToday@GoodGuyofToday4 жыл бұрын
  • Haven’t a lot of riders over the years used cyclocross bikes? I seem to remember Lars Boom sporting some cantilever brakes on his rubaix set up.

    @HkFinn83@HkFinn833 жыл бұрын
  • Sort the right tyres out and look at the gearing it could be closer.

    @lcdc27@lcdc274 жыл бұрын
    • Probably could run a 48 front chainring on the Grail and be better off

      @fast.biking_freddy@fast.biking_freddy4 жыл бұрын
    • Frederic A. Truslow Sure you’d be best running same gearing as the road bike. Then you would have continuity

      @TheSqueak99@TheSqueak994 жыл бұрын
  • Great video! Couple questions: 1. Would it be UCI legal to ride a gravel bike in this race? Would a switch from road to gravel be legal? 2. Were you running a 10T cog on the rear of the gravel bike? Seems like gears would be a major factor in this too.

    @mxkstfmk@mxkstfmk4 жыл бұрын
  • Bought a gravel bike 6 months ago and have never looked back. Road bikes are great on smooth tarmac, but the roads around here are about as smooth as a cheese grater and there are more towpaths and cycle tracks than you can shake a stick at which are unsuitable for road bikes but perfect for gravel bikes. All depends on your personal needs.

    @mattansell8275@mattansell82754 жыл бұрын
  • Great video Conor, Just wondering why you don't have the Irish Nat Champs bands on your GCN kit?

    @CormacMcHugh@CormacMcHugh4 жыл бұрын
    • Thank you, glad you enjoyed it! Stay tuned for the stripes.. don't worry I'm on it! ;)

      @conordunne1@conordunne14 жыл бұрын
    • @@conordunne1 glad to hear it, stay healthy

      @CormacMcHugh@CormacMcHugh4 жыл бұрын
  • Put a 42/53 crankset on the both bikes and some slick tires also, would be a better test

    @cadaver1ne635@cadaver1ne6354 жыл бұрын
    • @@XX-is7ps yes that's true, but it would be a better test if they have the same cranks on both bikes. 53 on the page and the 42 on the cobbles

      @cadaver1ne635@cadaver1ne6354 жыл бұрын
    • @@XX-is7ps well they wanted to know what's fastest.😂😂😂 I run this set crankset up with 30mm tires and it's works for me.

      @cadaver1ne635@cadaver1ne6354 жыл бұрын
  • Did Matt not do a similar video comparing cross and xc bikes a few years ago?

    @graemegallagher4481@graemegallagher44814 жыл бұрын
    • Not quite, they used same bike with different tyre widths

      @carlmullender2941@carlmullender29414 жыл бұрын
    • Pretty sure he did and the conclusion was a hard tail would be the quickest

      @joeinglesfield7446@joeinglesfield74464 жыл бұрын
    • @@joeinglesfield7446 Yes, but only on that single 5 star sector. Not in the less brutal sectors and certainly not on the road.

      @fukav1am@fukav1am4 жыл бұрын
  • So would an S-Works Roubaix be better because of the weight?? I'm thinking of getting a new bike, have a gravel bike but want something lite to climb up hills.

    @markb1974@markb19744 жыл бұрын
  • Did the paris roubaix sportive on my cx bike a few years ago. I was struggling on the pavement, but on the cobbles I could overtake loads of people and didn't have a single puncture or other problems with my bike. I was really happy with my bike choice to say the least.

    @iimmolarious7636@iimmolarious76364 жыл бұрын
    • what tires did you run?

      @kingprone7846@kingprone78463 жыл бұрын
    • @@kingprone7846 Sorry for the late reply, did it on the challenge limus not the best choice. I did paris roubaix again this year on the challenge gravel grinders, those tires were really good on the wet cobbles

      @iimmolarious7636@iimmolarious76362 жыл бұрын
    • @@iimmolarious7636 ive been trying a few tires as well and nothing beats the Cyclocross Speeds on pavement. they arent available anymore but Continental now makes a tire called Terra Speed which seems to have similar properties even though it looks different. maybe worth a try if you do a lot of mixed street/gravel.

      @kingprone7846@kingprone78462 жыл бұрын
    • @@kingprone7846 I have the continental speed king tires and I love those tires they are super fast on the pavement, but I sold my cx bike and got a gravel bike and they don't fit in my frame. I signed up for paris roubaix next year again, not sure yet if I'm gonna use my gravel grinders again or look for something faster.

      @iimmolarious7636@iimmolarious76362 жыл бұрын
    • ​@@iimmolarious7636 the continental speed kings are very old tires and they are terrible on pavement. we used to call them "the glue" because you turn around everytime you accelerate to see what glues you to the road. They have some weird profile which essentially is designed for extramuddy CX courses and pretty much nothing else. Id strongly suggest you switch to something else if you do gravel+street. most people who used to have them like 13 years ago (when there wasnt much choice for gravel-style tires as gravelriding didnt exist) bought them by accident because they thought they bought the CX speeds.

      @kingprone7846@kingprone78462 жыл бұрын
  • Foam pipe wrap from plumbing supply is one obvious and cheap fix for hand vibration problem instead of expensive parts like exotic carbon handlebars. Used pipe wrap as a kid on my bmx bike.

    @geoffreyanderson4719@geoffreyanderson47194 жыл бұрын
  • Seems like a bike such as the 3T Exploro could make this very interesting. Add some wide slicks and have a go! As someone who has never ridden these cobbles, I can only imagine that fatigue would play a large role in overall time as well. Maybe the right gravel bike and tire setup would be faster due to a more comfortable ride.

    @trbsu@trbsu4 жыл бұрын
  • The Grail looks to have some fairly serious grip, would have thought slicker but still large ish would be a better compromise ? Could you make any other optimizations on either bike ? Suspension forks have been used (rarely and tech has moved on since ?)

    @colingregory7464@colingregory74642 жыл бұрын
  • Something to consider is that in the peloton the power average will be much lower, so if you're a contender to win, then sitting in you may easily make it to 90km. At which point you will easily take fatigue out of your rivals as draft matters less on the cobbles, as it's the pave itself causing the problems. then later on if you want to attack on a cobbled section... well it's easy. So I'm not saying it is right or wrong, but I think there is a lot more to this one. Loved the video though!

    @NolimitsNinja@NolimitsNinja4 жыл бұрын
  • Are those tubeless tires on the Mavics? I thought you could only use Mavic's own brand when running tubeless on their wheels?

    @jspaceman71@jspaceman714 жыл бұрын
  • What size gravel bike did you go for just out of interest? I'm about to return a grail CF sl thinking it was too small but yours looked quite compact.

    @Stuarty@Stuarty4 жыл бұрын
    • He's a big boi so probably one of the largest sizes. He said his Orbea was a size 60.

      @fast.biking_freddy@fast.biking_freddy4 жыл бұрын
    • @@fast.biking_freddy The largest is XXL which I think may even be a little big... bike he was on looked smaller than the BMC.

      @Stuarty@Stuarty4 жыл бұрын
  • Don't forget the fact that the first part is riden in peloton and that therefore you can take an advantage of wind protection by other riders. I wouldn't be surprised that the gravel bike is still fast enough to stay in the peloton. And when you arrive to the tranchée d'aremberg, you can produce your effort. You can also keep in mind that between the cobbled sections, the riders usually try to slow down a little bit to recover from the brutal effort they did on the cobbles. So definitively, I would choose the gravel bike!

    @leoschlembach7138@leoschlembach71383 жыл бұрын
  • What size tires are allowed in Paris Roubaix? I believe the Orbea can take up to 30?

    @markb1974@markb19744 жыл бұрын
  • You should check out a Cruzbike S40 front wheel drive recumbent which that can be configured as a gravelish bike.

    @michaelfasher@michaelfasher2 жыл бұрын
  • What was the tire size on each bike? Probably a 35 MM less grippy( say schwalbe all road) on the Grail would give a better account of itself on both the cobbles and the road. The stock grail wheels are really designed for hitting the trails and forest. Still a great idea for a video and i think highlights that Gravel Bikes arent out to win bike races. It would be great to see some pro races with a transition element ( Road Bike for a lead in to a climb and then to the top, followed by a gravel bike for downhill trails/forest roads) Opens up a lot of the Grand Tour Climbs also by adding new connecting roads out of vallies.

    @thedudeinthehat@thedudeinthehat4 жыл бұрын
  • Great video, as usual. One comment about the methodology: you could have made the results more relavent by putting tires with similar style and construction as the road bike on the gravel bike. Some lightweight 700x38 or so slicks, like Grand Bois Barlow Pass, and maybe even aero wheels... or put non-aero wheels on the road bike. Anyhoo, very enjoyable video. Thanks 1,000,000

    @krisjones74@krisjones744 жыл бұрын
  • I heard the Grail was designed around 40mm tires - perhaps a little narrower 38mm or even slightly less than that would give you slightly better speed. There could be a perfect balance of sure-footedness over the cobbles and speed. Nevertheless, a very interesting challenge! As for me, riding a road bike on those cobbles would have some historical resonance but a gravel bike might be more in tune with my body and less likely to keel over.

    @aliensporebomb@aliensporebomb3 жыл бұрын
  • So okay, Conor, let's see you ride the first part on a road bike and then the rest on a gravel bike. You have piqued our curiosity. And I grin and say thanks for this comparison, truly fascinating to see. And I, too, would be curious to know if narrowing the tire gap would narrow the time gap. And what about flat tires, would there be fewer flats with bigger tires? And it'll be interesting to see if any pros actually do a bike change--O man, I got a flat, O well, gimme that gravel bike.

    @robbchastain3036@robbchastain30364 жыл бұрын
  • Fun video! Paris Roubaix is on my list of rides to do and I've thought a lot about the right bike for *me* ... I know the right bike for the pros, is a road bike. OTOH, as a fan of riding endurance and ultra gravel races, I've learned staying comfortable on the bike is more important that being "fast". Bike-handling skills are not my strong suit, so get tires and bike that keep me comfortable is the key to successful long rides on rough roads. I would ride my Breezer Radar Pro with 700x45 Riddlers, and I will be happy to finish the course without worrying about being the fastest ... 'cause I know the fastest riders will have already enjoyed a shower, burger, and beer (or 3) before I find the finish line.

    @chrisnelson5770@chrisnelson57704 жыл бұрын
  • maybe use a slick or a file tread on the gravel bike. Knoby tire can sap a lot of speed

    @bionique123@bionique1234 жыл бұрын
  • Surely something between would be optimised. Gravel bike, slick large volume tire running tubeless, road groupset with clutch RD. By looking the sketchiness of the road bike on the wet cobbles, I suggest getting some gravel bike with MTB geometry. Would be a lot morer composed on the road too.

    @HaveFunBikes@HaveFunBikes4 жыл бұрын
  • would be more interesting if compared with a Niner MCR

    @DD-sn4iz@DD-sn4iz4 жыл бұрын
  • Gravel one. I will change on it the width of tires and chainring though. It will improve its performance and of mine as well

    @leodirectvleo1703@leodirectvleo17034 жыл бұрын
  • Thanks for the video. I find my gravel bike harder to get going but once I'm up to speed it is comparable to my road bike.(until an incline) So by factoring in this slower acceleration every 2 kms over the whole course you may be underestimating the gravel bikes performance. A time based on a moving start might be more accurate for real world racing. Wonder if that would make a difference? Wish I could do 40 watts!

    @adamwatson4625@adamwatson46254 жыл бұрын
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