Rapper Dee-1 on Purpose, Message to Meek Mill, Rick Ross, Joe Budden & Life Experiences | The Pivot
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New Orleans rapper Dee-1 explains purpose in music, message to Meek Mill, Rick Ross, Joe Budden & how his experiences have shaped his life path from the hood to Harvard.
David Augustine Jr., better known as rapper and cultural icon Dee-1, has a long list of accolades and honors next to his name. But on this episode of The Pivot, Dee goes in-depth with Ryan, Channing and Fred on his true purpose inside and outside of the Hip-Hop industry.
From being bullied in school to facing opposition still today, Dee-1 has learned how to look beyond his fears and realize the importance of his mission. From labels to fans to fellow artists, Dee has found his place as a realist when it comes to the rap game, and his music reflects his love of God and humanity.
Hailing from New Orleans, Dee speaks on the hardships he faced while in college at LSU, such as friends getting involved in drugs, getting cut from the basketball team and losing his longtime girlfriend. Despite this adversity, he gets emotional when touching on his biggest Pivot, a moment that has evidently shaped him still today where he escaped being killed by seconds. Dee-1 knows firsthand the influence that murder music and the glorification of violence can have on society, and his lyrics provide an alternative message.
He addresses the scrutiny and backlash from hip hop’s bigger names of Meek, Rick Ross and shares how he’s not worried about the Joe Budden’s of the world criticizing his approach because his message his far bigger than his ego and money.
As rappers and fans continue to compare wealth, status and fame, Dee-1 preaches about the core of what makes us all human. So while rap stars may have words for the Louisiana native, he continues to make an impact his own way, by approaching the Goliaths with love.
By understanding that God had more planned for him, Dee has gone on to teach at a middle school, become a Louisiana governor appointee and even write a children’s book. His eleventh album is a testimony to his journey, titled “From the Hood to Harvard.”
The Harvard University Nasir Jones Hip-Hop fellow keeps it real with the Pivot crew during this episode, pointing to difficult conversations as a solution to the difficult problems in today’s world.
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Dee I want you to know I’m a RocNation producer/songwriter and I’m in the buildings saying the same stuff. There’s other brothers out here on the same mission. You aren’t alone in the fight. May God push this message to the community and world
God bless you! I don’t know you and I’m proud of you . I know it’s not easy 🙏🏼
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I agree, he is not alone in the fight. The problem is that those voices are not loud enough. We need a lot more in the industry to come forward. He created the opportunity for everyone in the industry that feels the same way to speak out. We need those voices to come to the forefront and speak loudly!
What’s your Insta or Spotify and KZhead? Got bay songs?Wanna see and listen to you bro?
@@lewisianben5200SweetOpusSounds. I truly appreciate it!
This is what the black community needs to hear. We can’t pray for change and keep killing ourselves 🤞🏾
100%✊🏾
Facts! 💯
Amen 🙏🏾
Dude capping he shaking hands with all these celebs.
The fact this video only has 34k views at this point is a reflection of our society at large. “People don’t want that real.” Keep going Dee-1; your purpose is palpable!
You said a mouthful!
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It's also because a lot of us don't know who he is. I'm from Louisiana and live in Louisiana. Never heard of this man til this interview
In the last days.... Good will be evil.... evil will Good....
Well it’s Jan ‘24 and it’s up to 132k. It needs to be seen by more. How do we make that happen?
Shout outs to The Pivot for bringing this amazing Young King who is filled with wisdom and knowledge on the show! Dee 1 keep pushing your platform Brudda 🙏🏾✌🏾✊🏾
Shout out to Dee-1 and Pivot for having this brother on your show so the masses of the people can hear his message and know who he is. Pivot please have Tony Gaskins on your show soon to continue blessing the community with knowledge, wisdom, understanding God Bless 🙏🏽❣️
Glad someone else is giving D 1 on the platform. Hes said nothing wrong or a clout chase. And the man can spit. Keep pushing truth Dee-1 🙏🏾🙏🏾
Funny how a man that actually told Diddy no is called a clout chaser by a failed rapper that's doing podcasts now.
Y'all bringin Dee on shows what kind of mission you guys are on. i've been a pivot subscriber for sports and the pivot team, but bringing believers on here makes me even more of your guy’s fans - keep going guys!! Edit: back after the Joe Budden ep. notice how much push back Dee was willing to take and the depth of conversation this episode was willing to go.
Yes indeed I said the same thing I love it
This interview gave me chills. Wisdom at its best. DEE-1, you have a new fan.
Say So!
100%
Don’t forget where he credits the wisdom from!!! He is encouraging us to seek that same source for HIS wisdom.
We all must pray 🤲🏾 that our Creator cover him no matter what! Please cover Dee-1 Jesus! We need a serious change in our rap industry! ❤️
Im rededicating my life to Christ 😭 amazing interview!!! To God be the Glory!!!
That's awesome! Praise God bro!
❤❤❤❤AMEN
By far not just the best episode The Pivot has ever had but the best episode of any podcast this year. This is what WE need. Salute 💪🏾
Definitely thee best episode. I don’t watch many and it was enlightening. Evil has a lot of power and imagine how powerless evil would be if more folks would be open minded to receive Dee-1 approach to celebrate where they are now more than where they were in the past. It simply would show growth!
Indeed 🙏🏾 God bless ya heart 💯
Make voices like D1 louder. We are the silent majority with black culture. Its time we stop letting these moral-less entertainers lead the culture
Real statement for sure . black culture was always be region, respect your parents and community And most black people are like that.
Children retain rap lyrics more than academics. One can justify selling out the community for personal gain but how will you explain your actions to your children and family. Long ago my Dad didn't allow us to listen to R&B because of the sexually suggestive lyrics. Kudos to Dee1music for trying to make a difference in this world. This is a powerful interview.
I'm glad my dad told me about this man. I'm a Christian woman who's from Louisiana and I've heard of him but don't listen to his music much. I'm definitely listening now! I need to send this to my brother who wants to do music. This is proof that you don't have to compromise and bow down to what the world wants you to do. All Glory to God! And I pray this man's message spreads like wildfire!! 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🔥🔥🔥
"Regardless what I've been through...wait, I woke up this morning!? GOD still got me here!" We have to remind ourselves of that, no matter what we go through. Respect brutha 💯
I am so Proud of Dee-1. I opened up for his Slingshot David Tour at the House of Blues in New Orleans as a Rap Artist that lives in Louisiana. When I met him, I believe he was for sure the most humble rap artist I have ever met. Keep Grinding! God is faithful! Thank you to The Pivot for sharing his story!
Ryan was so intentional with this interview and I appreciate that they gave him this platform to spread this message. Awesome, awesome interview. Keep doing what you’re doing Dee-1!
Man this interview was so dope I can’t even put it into words. I paused it so many times just to discuss some of the topics with my wife and I plan to rewatch it my kids together. So many meaningful topics to talk about. Just an amazing interview!!
This was absolutely DEE BEST Episode of The Pivot that I’ve ever seen! I’ve seen damn near every episode and I cannot wait until Dee1 along with the rappers who glorify Murder, Drugs, Misogyny and other detrimental acts to our young impressionable minds are invited to the platform to have a culture changing public conversation. Please invite Latifah and Public Enemy along with Dr Umar to the panel as well. Let the next 50 years of Hip Hop be greater in all ways than the past.
I would love for Dee1 and Dr Umar to share a panel together and talk about this topic.
I've watched almost all of them and I agree 💯 percent.
I have to agree!!
This not even top 5
Facts
Graduated from southern university in 2011 and dude would always perform and the mission been the same. Glad to see his voice getting amplified. Much needed, God bless you brothers 🙏🏾
100%... I graduated in 2005, and his message was the same back then!!
Amplified!
About to be a southern graduate, on the same mission as him 💯
Never heard of this kid but man this kid has so much wisdom! He's not ashamed of the Gospel! Keep doing what you are doing young man, God got you. ❤❤❤ Thanks Pivot for introducing Dee-1 to me. Loved the interview.
This has prob been my fav episode, definitely top 5. The funny thing is I wasn't going to watch it cause I didn't know who Dee1 was. Man now he is in my rotation and I'm so glad and thankful I listened/watched. Dee1 if you happen to read this, God spoke to you that day and let you know it wasn't over for you brother. I'm just one of many others who heard your msg today and received it as confirmation! Keep marching and doing you bro, you are impacting more than you know. ❤🙏🏽🥲 and I was crying with you man.... pivot, as always, awesome job!
Respect to this young man🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿✊🏿✊🏿I am a Morehouse Grad, MBA, Author, parent, father, husband…….from Southern California and NWA and Boyz N the Hood was my life. Lord protect this young man🙏🏿✊🏿
Let's make authenticity normal again. I LOVED this interview. Man, you had me crying Dee. Keep walking in purpose and taking down Goliaths in Jesus name! 🙌🏾
Ryan, Channing, and Fred, you guys did it again! A dope interview with a dope man! Dee-1 is a quintessential man who leaves an impressionable impact even through an interview. I’ve been a massive fan of Dee-1 for many years, and I’ve closely watched his career. It’s good to see a young OG getting his recognition and message to the masses and doing it “His Way.” The authenticity and rawness of this interview are precisely the messages we need to continue disseminating in the hip-hop culture. My suggestion is that The Pivot should do a sit-down between Dee-1, Jim Jones, Rick Ross, and Meek Mill. The sit down would consist of having a healthy conversation and discussing their slight differences. Also, the sit-down interview will commemorate the 50 years of Hip Hop. It would be an appealing sit-down to shed light on humanity, positivity, and progression. Overall, excellent interview.
THIS is why I love this show! Vulnerability, accountability, and genuine conversations.
First of all, I don’t want to understate how powerful D1’s testimony about the gun to his head encounter was. He told it in a way that made us visualize it, and he framed it in a way that delivered the intended impact of such an experience. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 But I would also like to add this: far too many people within the black community either have a similar experience, or have lost a loved one in a similar enough encounter. Why hasn’t our own encounters and experiences been enough for us as a collective unit to form the wave that he’s singlehandedly doing with his message DECADES ago? What will it take for us to swing the pendulum to a place where the D1s of the world are the norm??? Why have we been so complacent (and by consequence, complicit) in this? I stand with D1 and the wave he’s building. Keep slaying these Goliaths! Much love. 💞
I think this was my favorite pivot episode ever, love Dee-1’s honesty and realness. He’s right, 100%
I’ve watched this 3x and each time I learn something new about Dee-1. This young man is wise beyond his years. He is definitely special and should be recognized for his wisdom.
As a podcaster, I regularly watch others' podcasts to gain knowledge in what works and what doesn't work. This show works! I am a Dee-1 fan, but after this episode I have become a Pivot fan. Thank you for this amazing episode!!
SOLID HUMAN. Im proud to have tuned into this one, though I'm a regular. It's time we stop looking at positive-uplifting messages as "corny" and embracing ignorance as bliss, because ignorance keeps you stagnant/dormant, while positivity unlocks another chamber of growth. Stay well ya'll 🙏🏿🙏🏿🌱
Well said. When Channing Crowder said Jeezy's Album was whack because he's not trying to hear about investments in his rap music it was proof that the mass has been conditioned to hear that crack music. People's ears need rehab.
@@clevelandsainpreux CORRECT 💯%
Dee-1, thank you for allowing God to use you. I know God is proud. The Pivot, thank you for allowing this awesome guest on your platform. This touched me in so many ways. Great job! God isn't done yet, it's just the beginning!
This conversation was so necessary and that was the best explanation of cognitive dissonance I have ever heard. S/O to the hosts for bringing on this brother who is promoting the Kingdom of God which builds us all and the community. Bring on Tony Gaskins next!
THANK Y'ALL SO MUCH FOR HAVING DEE 1 ON!!! I have been on his music since Jay, 50 & Weezy! I have been promoting artists like Dee since my kids were 8 years old and now they are grown. The issue with the youth was and still is, is validation. No matter how hard I was pushing positive rap on my kids; if the radio and their peers were not playing it, they resisted it. I Love The Pivot & Dee 1. Keep up the AWESOME work. Coach Dupree ATL SHAWTY
What an amazing interview. The Pivot Podcast is hands down one of the classiest platforms there is in the game. Glad “the Wise” Dee1 came and spoke his truth. Honest and thoughtful Questions received by honest and thoughtful Answers… Please give all these beautiful Men their flowers!!
I heard about this brother some years back when he made a track w/ Starlito. Whether u share the same beliefs or not, anyone that doesn't understand what he's saying, doesn't wanna understand what he's saying. Spot on interview.
26 minutes in and I have to say my respect for Dee-1 is through the roof. If everyone took this stance and lead with love and pushing for a positive future, the whole thing would change.
I was not expecting that to be his PIVOT!! I’m over here boo-hooing!! Like I said earlier! He’s truly anointed!!💜🙏🏽🥰
“I’m fearless man, I got God with me!” What a POWERFUL statement! That just went right over their heads!
Thank you fellas for bringing Dee-1 on. This is an incredible interview. So much wisdom. Godly wisdom!! RC thank you for being true to who you are and mentioning your foundation. We need more Godly men on platforms like this, consistently for the Godly perspective on all topics.
Great interview. With over 50 years of hip hop it’s time to shift ❤
Definitely time for a culture shift. I truly believe it’s coming.
Excellent Interview 🙌🏾. I appreciate how you all asked your questions, listened, responded and allowed Dee-1 to thoroughly answer. In the emotional parts, I appreciate you Ryan speaking with compassion and you all being a safe place for him to express himself transparently and authentically. Accountability was noted and intentions were encouraged. This was done with so much grace, comradery and respect...it was powerful. Thank you ♥️
This was the best interview yet. I discovered Dee 1 when he preached on You Version Bible app. It was eye opening and come across Dee 1 today on December 1st was truly a god send. 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
This is a very intelligent young-man and I hope other rappers understand he’s not berating anyone, he’s trying to help them understand all the spitting about killings and glorifying it is destroying our people. If they really looked within our communities they can see he’s telling the truth. We killing to many of our own brothers over music, and money and it needs to stop, because it’s enough money in the industry for everyone.
Man you guys are amazing, you don’t stick to only high profile athletes and entertainers. And you also let people be themselves and don’t ask gossip type questions. Keep it going. One of the best shows
Thank God for the purpose on Dee-1's life. This made me tear up. If more people would just turn away from evil and sin, things, could be better, but the bible already tells us the outcome. His mission will continue to go forth.
Damn, he’s vulnerable and he was honest and open about his life and his feelings. This is what I call an interview to share his thoughts with these three men to open up and be vulnerable and be accountable. There should be more people like him in the world for real Awesome Awesome, interview.
Dee 1 this interview was so dope. Your vulnerability and your articulation about God, the rap culture and standing up for what is right had me in tears. You are truly a modern day David, fearless and winning souls for Christ. This is how change starts. Having these conversations. Your lyrics are 🔥🔥. It's so refreshing to hear rap music with a dope beat, uplifting and not about sex, drugs and having money. Love you bro❤🙌🙏
Everything Setty said 😊
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Lord, continue to cover and keep this man all for your glory. I actually believe what he speaks and how he moves comes from a place of love. I am so happy you all had him…this was such a pleasant gift…his pivot-testimony was the bow to tie all of this together. 🙌🏾❤️🙌🏾
This is one of the best interviews, the message that brother was speaking was truth and you could feel it. We need more people like that to spread the good word, rather than all the negativity.
I can't help but Respect Dee1. Bro deserves a bigger plat. Imagine having the balls to do what he's doing. Imagine standing up for something that powerful. Imagine standing up to THAT powerful a force. That's 1 percenters work. God just shining through this man. I can almost feel Jesus smiling through the camera Everytime he speaks. Imagine the type of learning you can get from a being like that. Imagine that kind of impact on a generation that's anti his whole message. These the kind of wars I want in on. I know what side I'm on.
Dee-1 is SOLID. We hear Brotha LOUD & CLEAR
I can always respect a man who lives the gospel out loud. Tony Gaskins does the same, I'd love to see him there!!
Never heard of Dee-1, procrastinated even watching this particular show and usually every show I can't wait to see it. Trust the show, trust the process, lol. What a great show! Learned a lot, gems got dropped on a regular during the show.
Got check out his music. Especially his early stuff..
@Pivot, this is one of the best interviews. DEE-1 is so articulate and well rounded. Stay strong with the real content 💯
"Death and life are in the power of the tongue.” The tongue can be used as a weapon to harm and destroy or as a tool to build and heal." That's the word of God. I agree with Dee-1 about our culture in music. Thank you to the pivot for sharing Dee-1's perspective. I respect that! God bless 🙏🏿
Ryan Clark is one of the smartest media personalities I’ve seen, love the way his brain works!! And I rocks with Dee1, this was a really great conversation/interview!!
I'm praying for this young man..He is the modern day prophets. I pray for his protection. We need more people like this. Boldness is necessary in this hour.
One of the best guests, we need more of this! Bless up! 🙏🏽👊🏽
He 100% right. Thank y’all for giving the brotha this platform. 🙏🏿✊🏿🙏🏿
This interview right here, Really hit different for me. This Man has a deep calling he cant run from. Sure making me reevaluate my purpose in life, Dude had me balling with him. Whew!!!
This is the best interview. 🎉
Another gem of an episode!!! I’ve been following Dee-1 since 2010 to give my 3 sons an alternative to ‘normal’ rap. Thank you to Dee-1 for your vulnerability and message! And thank you to the Pivot for a great episode!!! And Ryan needs to let us know where he gets his hoodies!!! I found the guy that made that Diggs hoodie and he now has orders galore!!! 👌🏾♦️♦️♦️
I stand with Dee 1 💪🏾
So proud of Dee-1💯🔥 continue to stand for Christ Bro. Jesus was “controversial” even when He was preaching and teaching the truth. At the end of the day we all have to stand before Christ and answer for what we have done on this earth with the time He’s given us. So thank you again
Because of God's grace through you, Dee-1, and your testimony after the first hour of this episode, my pivot is today, December 24th, 2023. Thank you.
Channing after Dude cries -“so what are you trying to get out of this?” Bruh he just said what his goal was the whole interview
Man I'm both proud of and am appreciative of Dee-1. I wasn't very much (sonically) drawn to his music, but still like some of it. However, i've been following him every since I discovered CHH because I was always drawn to the message(s). He isn't just about styling for Christ or I love Jesus stuff but he also touches on real like black issues. A lot of Christian artists dont. He's also bold in Christ. Being from the hood having so many dead friends who died at the hands of each other and dealers, addicts, prostitutes, etc., as well as being influenced by the music at times as I practically raised myself due to an overworked mother.....I truly appreciate it. Like it really does my heart good that he's putting a dent into the culture.
I love the fact that after the convoy, they stood up to talk for real with Dee-1 much love Pivot
One of my favorite episodes, hands down. One thing for sure and two things for certain, Dee-1's light is clear as day. You can clearly see it. I am glad that Ryan took the time at the end to explain his position and purpose. At times in the interview it felt as if the interviewing cast was in opposition of the brother. Their energy was off. Amazing work though and Ryan, Channing, and Fred are like extended family. Its a connection that cannot be explained but we all family! 😂
Great podcast!! The moment when Dee-1 opened up about his pivot moment and his motivation was too real.
Dee-1 on December 1st amazing interview. Great interview!!! Love your story. Stay on your journey continue living in your purpose. Spirit vs. flesh!!! I felt that interview deeply.
I send blessings and a covering over Dee 1, Lord I thank You for keeping your hands on Dee-1. Give him strength for weakness and joy for sadness. Be Blessed. Amen
Let me say, I truly appreciate this interview! The tears I cried watching this hit me different after going to multiple funerals of young people due to violence. Dee-1, this was an on time word. I recently lost a love one (25 years old) to gun violence. It was traumatic and horrific. There is a spirit of narcissism and carelessness for life that has saturated our culture. Dee keep speaking and teaching the message of music accountability. I hear, support, and salute you Sir!
This episode show what a real leader is we must protect this brother and his teachings for our people and everyone else.
Shout out to the Pivot pod for giving this brother a platform. You gained a subscriber out of me.
I think the most powerful thing about dee 1 after watching his interviews is his intelligence and his humility surrounding his wisdom and intelligence speaks volumes
It’s Jesus
I don't listen to hip hop that much especially the new artist and I have never heard of Dee-1 but he has a fan for life now. I loved this interview and his message. Thanks Pivot for having him on the show. He is definitely what hip hop and many communities need. By far one of my favorite episodes.
Start with is song - Sallie Mae
Outstanding show. I have been a DEE-1 fan for years. I am a Christian that is a hip hop head and when I was introduced to Christian rap music it blessed me. It blessed me because I could not reconcile listening to murder music that glorified sex, drugs and violence while being a new creature in Christ and living as such. Thank you guys for still being you and asking thoughtful questions and thank you for this episode of the Pivot!
Salute to Dee-1. He is doing a great job of explaining his position.
That was dope‼️ I pray for his protection through his journey. We definitely need and appreciate his purpose. Thanks for this, there is hope for change in an industry I've loved since I was a youngin'. Dee1 has a new fan❤❤❤❤
Facts ❤
RC do all his homework best interviewer we’ve seen till this day.
Yo this was an amazing interview. This is honestly the first time I’ve heard of Dee1. Powerful brother. Thank you.
Man oh man!!!! I think every person with young children should watch this interview together!! Powerful message for the youth, Christian or not.
He had me at "Rap is a delicious poison." I felt that. I was on his music back in 2012. Love this dude.
Felt that in my soul
Crazy, Dee-1 has been planting the seeds. This is the Lord's Timing. The harvest God is good.
Unapologetically pushing and preaching the truth -Dee 1..
BEST INTERVIEW ON PIVOT YET!! Keep pushing Dee!!! Fellas I appreciate yall allowing this type of conversation on your platform!
Man, Dee 1 never stopped to impress me at all. They threw brutal, Real, honest questions at him, and he just knocked out of the part without any hesitation and said it clearly like water. Blessing, brother, and keep up the excellent work for JESUS' name. Amen. Dee 1 - Only God can Judge me track, I remember I bumped a birthday event in between set, and people will impress with his music and message.
THIS MAN WILL BE THE EVOLUTION 🧬 OF HIP HOP🙏🏾
Facts!
Man Evolve!
Excellent podcast interview! I rock with Dee-1! Shoutout to Ryan, Fred, and Channing for their platform and great dialogue with Dee-1!
To say I live in Baton Rouge, I found out about Dee-1 from Tony Gaskins and have been sold ever since. I didn’t even listen to rap like that until him. He’s a rare jewel
The BEST DEE-1 interview, EVER! Ryan, when I say......highly skilled. You're truly something special. The Pivot team, well done.
Hands down, one of the best episodes! I may be a little biased because his belief is my belief. But his intellect and charisma is refreshing to hear.
D1 is speaking the truth.Thank you for having him.
Good Lawd this episode had a hold on me like no other! Highly profound in so many ways.... Dee-1 has a gained a fan out of me. The thought provoking questions made this one for the books. AMAZING.
We must protect this man at all cost👏 Beautiful message🙌
Love this!! So great to see Dee 1 with Ryan, Fred, and Channing!! Great dialogue fellas!! All glory to God indeed!! Let the church say Amen!!
Rap can stay with hot beats, lyricism, hitting melodies AND bravado. The bravado is a part of hip hop and Black culture, but killing and drugs IS NOT a necessary part of bravado. Fans love the bravado and would not even notice or miss omission of killing and drugs. Trust me. It can be done. MANY ARTISTS have done this.
Bro this was your best interview to date.
Thank you 4 hvn Dee-1 on Pivot! I was born & raised in L.A., CA aka Hollywood & was educated at UCLA Entertainment Studies Program. I made rap music from 1999-2009 (til I had my 1st child) & can say he is 💯 percent 💪 right on point about "air thang". And I am so proud to see him stand up for the vulnerable youth & new generation who don't know that some of these record labels also own private prisons & big pharma companies. They are manufacturing & programming our children with their "delicious poison" music 🎵🎶 to be guests in their for profit prisons. Enough is enough in 2024-2030+. Let's take a stand and create a better world 🌎 for our kids & future grandkids 💗. Lord knows after 50 years of training them to "act bad" that we all need 2b held accountable for letting it go for THIS long. Diddy, Jay-Z, Rick Ross & whoever else needs to get in line or we gotta put these big corporations on a chain.
First off shout out to yall for lettin him ride! He spoke in a very strategic way and very much articulated the message very well. Not using familiar words about the culture but cutting words about the gate keepers and old heads. Great interview!