Americans Want You to Forget About This Race (Jeffrey Herlings vs. Eli Tomac)
In motocross, a debate has raged for over 50 years… You see, there are two ‘Holy Grail’ championships at the pinnacle of dirt bike racing; the European MXGP World Motocross Championship and the American AMA National Pro Motocross Championship. Each series has its own set of 40 professional riders that compete in a plethora of rounds across all sorts of terrain (dirt, sand, mud etc.) The problem is, these two sets of riders seldom ever get to compete against the other. So fans have long pondered which lot’s faster… Well, in 2017 the stars miraculously aligned and we got to see Europe’s top rider, Jeffrey Herlings go head-to-head with Eli Tomac and everything else America had to throw at him! The following is what transpired…
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 MXGP vs. AMA
1:32 Intro
1:49 The Perfect Storm Gathers
4:38 Herlings & Tomac Prepare
7:17 Press Day
8:30 Qualifying
9:56 Moto 1
16:48 Very Angry Intermission
18:06 Moto 2
27:49 Post-Race Press Conference
28:40 The Aftermath
30:38 A Rematch Looms
33:00 American Amnesia
34:42 End Screen
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*REMATCH* *VIDEO:* kzhead.info/sun/n7iil51pmKSAlKs/bejne.html
jxmy wannabe lol
Watched both videos 100x from belgium. Just wondering when you drop another bad ass edit like this. You absulutly nailed it. Waiting for more storylines deepend out like this. Love it.
Also just watched both, they were amazing. I will subscribe and wait for part 3.
Thanks so much for this. Brought back great memories of my only event I ever went to in the UK @ Hawkstone Park back in the 90s
I have been a fan of Roger De Coster since black and white TV. So if you think American's just want to forget about great motocross racers... well De Coster is still here for a reason beyond money. I get it on Yourube tv a nice click bait title goes a long way 😅😂. No matter great video👍
I’m not even a motorcross fan, but you put together such a great mini documentary. I was hooked from the start! 🎉
I love these kind of documentaries that get you invested in something you knew nothing about. Just the right amount of info/recap so you know what is going on.
Same here, used to watch a little in the 90's, don't know why this video was recommended to me, but I'm glad it was :)
Yeah same here, I've never heard of any of these people, this video was brilliant, well put together.
same
Same ahah!
That look over and tear-off while passing Tomac, is quite possibly the coolest thing I've seen in my life. Pure badass.
Its almost like a salute
@@EreaserNLA 2 finger salute
I don't think the world knows how much that mentally damaged tomac 🤣🤣🤣
where is it
Herlings getting smoked kzhead.info/sun/nrtucp2ukaurpJ8/bejne.html 😂
Jeffrey Herlings broke the all-time motocross GP win record this month with his 102nd Win - congratulations to one of the best we've ever seen.
If it wasn’t for injuries he’d have a few more championships. But he is so so good
6 times World Champion over 3 classes against Stefan Everts with 10 World Champion titles over 3 classes and 5 times Motocross Of Nations winner. Not even close to be one of the best.
@@dorientjewoller113Bringing in the best and stayting every point near that is one of the best. Lol
@@Unchartedmarco24CoD Dutchies need to learn one thing. If you wanna brag about things, be sure you're bragging with real facts.
@@dorientjewoller113 Isn't that typical american problem? "Land of the Free" etc? One of the most opressed countries in the western sphere, with most inmates, most gun violence, most expensive medical system (which requires people to actually pay for it as well), and also legalized bribery in politics. It's an US national past time to bragging about things that are not facts.
New bike, New track. Against veterans at the track. Still wins. What a madman.
And that right after flying over, meaning timezone switch as well. And somewhat different climate, food ingredients and stuff like that, which doesn't affect you hugely, but when youre competing at the top level at any sport, those little bits count What a mad lad
@@katieee4915plus the hate he received.
@@alinac5512He received hate? From whom? What was that for?
@@silbernersurfer8264 didn't you noticed at the podium. no handshakes, no handclappings , not even a eye contact. It says alot about, 1 the lack of IQ and respect. 2 No talent in the field. American citizens 332 million. Dutch citizens 17 million. 332 million and not one good rider. That's why they invented their own sports like, American football, Nascar, basketball. So they have something to shine in.
@@silbernersurfer8264not being american
His interview at 28:00 was golden.... He just said in between the lines.... The tracks in Europe are way narrower and way more competitive he was just used to more track difficulties... Thats why he smashed it. If you try to battle the mount everest on a daily and then go climbing in Colorado seems like a walk in the park... I'm exaggerating but you get my point.
Spot on! 02.42 look at those ruts😳
same thing with rally, compared to US narrow country roads stages US' is highways
@@adrianalexandrov7730 yep just look at rallies in poland
@@StenWasTakenyeah man no wonder Kubica lost his arm.
Maybe he should come back and not race the least technical track in the circuit. 🤡
The production level on this is genuinely so much higher than anything I've seen from NBC or peacocks coverage of the sport. Seriously you deserve everything you have worked for. Your content is criminally underrated.
Content's good attutude sucks.
Came here to say the same. Genuinely one of the best edited and put together videos I've come across
Totally agree, mindblowing good production
One of the best 35 minutes iv'e spent in the last ten years. Brilliant.
So good was only going to blow through it, ended up watching start to Finish, would be awesome if one of them went and competed in the opposite series just for a change, that would be top 🎖
The fact he stayed humble that entire time even with all of the disrespect from the american fans is crazy tbf. If i was 4 seconds a lap faster on a new track with a bike that ive never used against people whove done it for years, i dont think id be able to keep my mouth shut Im not a Motorcross fan but this was sick man, keep up the good work.
Same honestly
Its like you could clearly see he was not American 😂
💯 ... I'd have wiped my ass with their flag on the podium 😅
I was expecting more left turns on the American tracks ... 🤣 Seriously, when a nation that is very large (I'm talking landmass), anything that's not 'local' gets dumped in the trash, and it becomes a very rude awakening when someone from outside wipes the floor with the local "best" with the local equipment ... something that's often happened here in Australia too.
As an American motocross rider, I can honestly say that I have nothing but the utmost respect for the European MXGP series. Motocross is big in the USA but unfortunately it's been surpassed by supercross. While I do enjoy supercross for what it is, there's no comparison the the brilliance that is out door motocross! Much love to Europe & the USA coming together for the love of motocross! ✌️
outdoors over supercross all day
I grew up in the era of two strokes and "traditional" outdoor Motocross, I remember when stadium cross came in, as you say , it's good but not the ideal use of these bikes as I saw here, I'm sure it was a bit of a wake up call to some, really enjoyed that video, greetings from 🏴
I sometimes watch nascar on eurosport , just because the violence on track in the nascar series is like th3 best in the world no orher sport allows drivers the battle it out like they do in nascar wich is dangerous as hell but admireble ... the only thing that comes close in europe were cars make some good contact in gt3 racing but they still have more tules then nascar ... in nascar you still get away with some shit in gt3 and f1 there is more clean driving wich actually can make it a bit boring at times
@@danielstokker This is about the American AMA National Pro Motocross Championship and the European MXGP series. I think you are in the wrong thread.
Se hacen pistas que son una mezcla de MX y SX, se busca tener gente cerca que gritan y animan. kzhead.info/sun/pcZ6itOjhqh8lH0/bejne.html
The look back and visor tear has to be one of the coldest things I’ve ever seen done so calmly in mid air
💯
21:44
Yeah, bro pressed the Taunt button
just look at online leaderboards in rally or any racing games, nothing but people from overseas, BARELY a wink of Americans in a sea of foreigners
we amercans suck at racing lmao, nascar? dirt oval? ovals in general wont make us any faster, just more drunk XD
I’m ashamed to call myself an American and have this incredible ride thrown asunder. What Herlings did was extraordinary. The way he put so many riders in shame, especially after his comeback in the 2nd race. That was a phenomenal ride, and the shame is everyone acted as if it had never happened. WTF were those fans thinking, not even acknowledging what Herlings did to come back after that crash? All the noise they made for Tomac, and they couldn’t take one fucking second to acknowledge Herling’s win. That’s fucking shameful.
average american behavior. its what the world expect from you guys and you never let us down.
@@opposed2logic Haha! That is funny and might be true. I don't think they're all like that though, like this chap^^. We stereotype them too much.
buddy u just peeked into what the reality is about america, think of anything bad, ever invented and americas name will be up there. every single women's fashion(getting naked, porn and what not) is started from america too. literally the devils face is america
@@kodac4256No we dont, thats the problem america has. america number one. but their so far behind with so mutch
It's US cultural competitiveness, it's all about winning from a young age. A bad side effect is that when losing... the denial and excuses start. Most of the world is used to it by now.
Jeffrey Herlings is a motocross legend! Coming from last place to first place in a 450 premier class motocross race in the year 2017 is absolutely legendary no matter how you slice it. Excellent video, I am now subscribed 💯
Legendario es este desde el Pit Lane. kzhead.info/sun/f9CrdZt_pYiVZJ8/bejne.html
One of but still…Stefan Everts 😉🤘
@@mrlooneycooney8948 oh yeah Stefan everts is a Belgian motocross god! Definitely one of the best to ever do it! Stefan everts, Ricky Carmichael, James Stewart, Antonio Cairolli and Ryan Villopoto are some of the best to ever do it! MX GOAT status!
Got the chance to watch Herlings in person yesterday at the Spanish GP. Dude is on another level. In both motos he took a few laps to get comfortable then just seemed to decide that everything was good and that was it. Thank you and good night. A truly special talent.
And he just broke Stephen Everts' old record in the process. This kid is just amazing
Herlings' mid-jump visor tear-off as he passes Tomac was just pure style.
Herlings getting throttled youtu.be/ kW5B9vZyuqg 😂 Where’s Crashly Herlings at now?
@@Chris-fg8om cope
Jeffrey Herlings ? more like Jeffrey Epstein, he's probably a pedophile
@@dominiksoukal Seethe even, a mald, if you will
@@Chris-fg8om Copium
Damn, Herlings came all the way across the Atlantic Ocean to whip our ass... that is a badass dude. Respect.
😂😂 lolo
Was a one hit wonder and too wuss to come back and try again. He made this video after Tomac went and smacked them at MXON 2022 and Herlings was too scared to show up. What’s new
@@larry2281 lmfao mad?
@@Durx1 why would I be mad.
@@larry2281 euro madlads beter lads than amerilads, just face it
I keep coming back to watch this. Third time and I keep appreciating the story, the music, the images and the words, very well paced, full of insight and that touch of irony. A masterpiece.
It's about time to watch it again lol
Me as well. 😊
Same I've Watched this and the Next MX GP Race Video about 5 Time's ASH's Edited Fantastic Video's with Great Story Telling He Truly Deserves all of the View's and I Hope ASH cover's Someone like Jet Next in a Video.
So proud of my dutch neighbours. Now it would be interesting to see the US driver on an european track.
Go to Matterley Basin this fall.
Eso suceió cuando Ryan Villopoto fué a competir en el MXGP en 2015
I'm from the Netherlands and I've heard of Jeffrey, but never ever have I heard he went to the U.S. to dominate the riders there. Boy was this nice to watch.
ik ook ik ook ik ook....
Leuk he! Nederlanders zien domineren😁
@@DaanvanZutphen G E K O L O N I S E E R D
Your boy is an absolute beast wow, never watched before but he destroyed the American field in absolute style
We just won the MXoN this year while Jeffrey Herlings was out due to injury - Tomac is faster than ever now and destroys the competition with his new team, engine package, and chassis/suspension set-up, however, Herlings spoke with Gypsy Tales about coming to race AMA in the future and I'm willing to bet that he'll either best everyone or just be a smidgen off! What makes him awesome too, is that he is VERY humble compared to almost 7 years ago, and wouldn't talk trash on any of the riders cause he knows they've progressed (especially for this past year while he was broken while Tomac was faster than ever), but still is so confident in his ability. I'm willing to wager that he shall win in the same fashion, and there is rumors of a Tomac VS. Herlings ONLY race that Gypsy started and they both have agreed to make it happen. :) RESPECT for the Flying Dutchman, and for all of the riders from the sandy Netherlands! Deep sugar sand makes a man out of you, and every rider from your country is a BEAST because of it - what I love about dirt biking is it is a sport that unites all people for the love of man, mind, and machine! The engineering of such machines are utterly amazing - just look at the JCR & SLR Honda teams that take and build a factory Honda CRF450X and BEAT million dollar trophy trucks in the Baja 1000! -It's incredible what these machines do!!!!
Never been particularly interested in motorcross, don't even know why youtube would have recommended me this or why I ended up watching it. Your excellent writing and storytelling made every minute of this greatly enjoyable and informative. I even found myself genuinely disappointed that not only did you not cover the next race teased at the end, but there isn't a part 2 either. Will you be be completing this story? What happened at the next event? I'm sure I could find out on my own, but I'd really rather hear you tell the story.
SPOILER: Eli competes in the US weekend obviously, the first day he beats all competition by over 28 seconds, Jeffrey seemed to have issues in the start and once again crawled his way up if I recall correctly. On the second day Eli was shocked at the pace set from the get go by all and wasn't at his fastest (possibly because he is used to only racing once a weekend). Jeffrey sets a blitz win overtaking on the last few laps due to his power of pressure!
'...Never been particularly interested in motorcross, don't even know why youtube would have recommended me this or why I ended up watching it. ..' me too, but now I want to know - I cant find the result of the next race either
yeap, same.... waiting for next "episode". And unfortunately, I'm not surpriced about the reactions from the fans, and undermining of the reporters in hindsight.
are you into rally sport by chance or checked anything rally related lately? that's how it got into the algorithm for me
Literally the same! Never been too interested, but the title really drew me to the video. I couldn't take my eyes away from it, I was engrossed.
Major Respect to Herlings and for sure Sowman! Having served as AMA Sports Manager for several year, there's so much to say on how I see our American "Pro" riders take so much for granted. This young man was simply grateful for an opportunity to compete against our best here in the states. What I see our riders complain about, he praised. It spoke volumes.
Fantastic narration and storytelling. Ash, I hope your career as a video producer has skyrocketed - this is one of the best sports presentations I've ever seen! Great editing too. Helmet off to JH, he really took it to the Americans. The sequel was equally impressive.
Appreciate that mate! Got a new one coming up soon about a New Zealand race, I actually think it might be my best work to date. Looking forward to hearing what you think!
As a Dutchie, I remember the results and was proud of it but never saw it as a humiliation or anything negative. It was just great to see people at the top of their game, from different competitions, competing.
That's probably since we Europeans have been trained from birth not to recognize our own humiliation. Just look how far we have degenerated, look how much absolutely disgusting crap we tolerate, drugs, promiscuous sex, all kinds of debauchery, the ethnic replacement of our peoples and the dismantling of our homelands. We need to wake the fuck up and start fighting back or we will go completely extinct within a few generations. The evil international financial empire, is eating us alive and most people are completely apathetic towards our own humiliation and annihilation.
It was quite negative for them, American fans of all sports are very insular, they consider being the best in America equal to being the best in the world. A lot of fans as he said didn't know who the guy was or think he was capable of beating the best in America, Americans believe that about all sports. Arrogance leads to humiliation, especially since this wasn't exactly the same bike or style this guy was used to.
@@goldytwatus1674 it was just all of it together. He also broke the record on one of americas best training facilities. Dungee and a lot more did train there.
What was the result of that 3rd race?
@@goldytwatus1674 ur almost right...Americans think U.S. "IS" the world...i was lmao watching them having a reality check in this vid.
Herlings' mid-jump visor tear-off as he passes Tomac was just EPIC...!
"Fucking style'd on."
It was like a salute!
what a boss move.
He tried to say "I'm back, let's race" but Tomac wasn't having it which is understandable
@@Laerei no bro that was no salute. That was a see ya later lapper
You have to remember despite it being a big country many Americans can be very parochial. In Europe all the top American road racers like Roberts, Schwantz, Rainey etc are held in very high regard, revered even. It's something that is rarely reciprocated in all the competitive events outside of a few where the top Americans have a similar level of respect. The saying "if you ain't American, you ain't shit" is very apt at times :)
If it aint dutch, it aint much!
There is a lot of great riders in Europe that never/rarely really touch the circuits like the GP and only do the road runs like the TT etc which i would say is a lot harder.
I disagree. Roger DeCoster is highly regarded in the US , and he's not the only one. Karsmaker , Aberg and others are remembered fondly.
yeah thats absolutely true. there are definetely fans like american fans in europe as well but i feel like its not as many. i feel like european fans mostly just are fans of the sport and if someone comes and is good at it they will love them. Especially people like schwantz, rainey, roberts etc. Im from germany and was born in 1994 and my dad literally gave me kevin as a second name because hes such a big kevin schwantz fan. He also always gets his bikes painted in the traditional kenny roberts design (yellow with the black stripes with white borders) :D but yeah its probably not true for all american fans i dont like to put all people into one pot but theres definietely a big tendency to what youre saying. I mean just look at basketball. Germany kicked the USA out of the world cup this year and instead of acknowledging a great and hard game the germans fought and won against a great american team all you here the american fans say is excuses :D
yea rarely recipricated by americans but its not their fault, they're indoctrinated to be that way. There's no other option than to be a sore loser when you've been lied to and told you're the best in the world over and over. It reaches into all aspects of the American psyche. America is the fat spoilt kid who has never heard the word "no".
It's a shame that the some Americans can't simply respect talent no matter where it comes from. Many of them don't realize that there is a big world out there with a an awful lot of talented people in it.
Couldn't have said it better myself
When you spend your whole life being "educated" that "you are #1", it's easycto be a thirld-worlder with a big ego, living in the lie you're constantly told.
And you owe everything to America
@@UTTPhakim03 You live in a hell yeah murrica echo chamber, where all your heroes only really do it in the movies.
@@jasonallen6081 be glad america exists
Man, Herling seems like a really nice guy. All the provoking questions and he basically only gave in once, firmly standing on the "here for myself, not any rivalry" ground for the most of it. Very positive vibes. Also, the video is phenomenal; engaging, interesting, very well edited. Great job. I understood everything from start to finish, even though I have no experience with the sport.
He's a good guy, he was on the gypsy tales podcast and said he'd love to do a 1v1 with tomac at lommel or southwick to see who's the baddest man. He said he knows this wasn't a fair matchup between them cause he had nothing to lose and tomac was in a championship fight
Dont forget nice voice
Jeffrey is like the other Dutch racer, straight forward and friendly... Max Verstappen ❤
@@aorta538 they even kinda look alike lol
so when is or was this rematch and did he win again?:)
This might be the best put together moto documentary on youtube right now. Great work my dude
shit could be on real tv
@@amfk8079 Not here in the land of stick and ball sports.
@@amfk8079 Haha. I remember TV.
It is just a bot.
I couldn’t agree more man. Excellent job in all categories.
i dont think people realize how incredibly good herlings was in his prime like its like an extraterrestrial type of riding
Too good for the Americans of the day that’s for sure. Turns out the entire American grid needed some milk (and therapy) lmao
It's amazing how some of the world's best crashed in their attempts to simply keep up with him. It's also cool to see the mental strength of Herlings, keeping himself from feeling pressured to push his luck whenever someone was breathing in his neck. Instead, he just kept his calm and kept it consistent.
I was at that race. Obviously the anticipation of seeing Herlings race was quite the buzz. Sitting on the hill side and watching him reel in the leaders with surgical precision in every section was awe inspiring. Ironman is not a polite track and to be able to beat not only the competition but also the track was quite a statement.
So were you also letting pride get the better of you and feeling hostile towards this, clearly superior rider? 😬
@@aspunkyyacker6850 Dude, what is wrong with you? Guy never said anything negative about Herlings and you came up with this moronic question like some 12 years old troll. Only hostile person here is you. Grow up.
@@Kretek not much mate, bit of flu on me. Otherwise all ok 👌
@@aspunkyyacker6850 Not at all. I was stoked to be able to say I say that second moto. Then again being at the 2018 MXoN when him and Glen Coldenhoff swept the weekend in the mud was amazing. Seeing those euro guys ride is something special. Here in the US we all try to imitate the likes of Chase Sexton or Jett Lawrence in our riding but we should really open our eyes to the styles of the Europe guys as well because there is something to be learned from their riding as well.
Jet is good because he raced in Europe while he was developing. For some reason Americans won’t go and test themselves against better riders. Iron sharpens iron.
youtube just randomly recommended this video to me. Never watched motorcross, never been involved but this video got me pumped. I watched the entire thing and even when I knew nothing your writing and cinematography conveyed everything crystal clear. Really cool that my home country got some representation too! Awesome video, keep it up, you got yourself a new subscriber. Also judging from some of the comments, I'm not the only one!
YES! I've only watched a few F1 and Rally videos on youtube and when this popped into the feed I said, ok, why not. The story is epic into itself, but the storytelling counts just as much, and Ash Sowman does a fantastic job at it.
He sucked off KZhead personnel
Same
Same
I had the same
Man I dont even follow this and dont know how i got recommended it, but i was hooked from the start. You captured an intensity in this mini documentary that was so satisfying. Not only was I entertained but i also learned something. Top marks man, this was epic.
What a great video! I love motocross and how Herlings rode that day should be in the history books for greatest athletic performances. That was insane!
The Americans showed up and gave it a try but they just aren’t up to the Euro standard lol
As an American, I love this race. I also love Herlings. Just an absolute beast! We need more of this competition from riders all over the world. If any Americans are hating on him, it's because they don't understand the sport and have 0 respect or class. Hat's of to him. What an accomplishment and how cool it was to watch him race AMA!
Competition spawns innovation. I've seen in other sports how American competitors who only practice and compete against other Americans get stumped by European competitors because they were missing out on so many things that gave the Europeans an edge. As soon as those same competitors started regularly competing and practicing internationally, suddenly they were pretty even.
We didn't respect him because he sand bagged for so long
when america and europe meet in a battle of skill.... EU usually win. americans THINK they are good at stuff cos all they do is compete in sports against the best from america alone, football, basketball, baseball ect. we compete against the best from nations all over the rest of the world. pick a sport that the entire world plays, and USA usually middle of the pack, at best
@CantOutRunADuck olympics arnt real sports. they are hobbies. also, you cant be pro at them, its a rule. they are literally hobbies. i mean actual sports... although they are starting to add actual sports now. but olympics are largely physical events, not skill based.
@@cantoutrunaduck2697 You pump the most money into it. In Germany for an example, people which compete in the Olympics are usually full time workers. Besides of Football and some other Sports, you ain't able to live from it. The guys which compete in the marathon/sprinting stuff gettin' a thousand bucks as compensations from the State. Because we take the whole Olympic gist about "Amateurs" more serious. In the USA, y'all pump more money in it as marketing tool against Russia and China; which are also countries which ignore the "Amateur"-Rule on a daily base. That's the reason. Yet, Europe has 1,2 Billion People, the USA has 300 - Statistically we are just more likely to produce top athletes. Which you see in Football, most Motorsports and every other present sport. Even in Basketball one German was relativly - yet not absolutly - dominant in the USA, despite the fact that Basketball is here like ... Most people don't even know the rules of it.
I've never watched a single video about motorcross, nor have I ever watched the sport or even ridden a motorbike. Yet for some bizarre reason, KZhead recommended this to me. And I am glad it did. Honestly, this is quite incredible stuff here. To make a video and present a story in such an enthralling way that I care about the people involved, despite having no interest in MX, is incredible. Your editing style, video writing and voice are all phenomenal for creating interesting videos. Nice job!
same
Same here as well.
I was actually holding my breath at times during the video. Extremely well put together docu about an amazing story!
I find myself in the same position as you. Fantastic watch.
same, ty yt
This is one of the most enjoyable videos on youtube. I have never watched motorcross, except for this video, about 5 times. Its so good.
To go from dead last to first in any class of racing nevermind at this standard is absolutely unbelievable. Truly outstanding!
Well said. Absolutely the greatest achievement in motocross history.
Watching Herlings’ performance was amazing, seeing the public’s reaction was fucking embarrassing. They were talking shit as they were getting shit on 💀💀
Exactly that. Talking shit as they’re getting shit on. Couldn’t have put it any better.
the worst thing is, it's the default US crowd reaction... you can watch 10 other sports and they just cant handle it. watch serena williams vs naomi osaka, worst ever.
Feels good tbh, they think the world spins around them sometimes they gotta have a reality check.
They think they're the the centre of everything and they cannot deal with it when they aren't. It's really quite pathetic 😂
@KermitTheFrag let's not get too universal, most Americans I know would love to clock those fools all the same, unfortunately we've got enough cuck laws for both our locale, so shame shame
I never watched motorcross before, but your story telling had me captivated. Good job, you deserve tons of more subs!
Please make more of these, the quality is insane but it’s also really informative and entertaining
Serious respect for this guy, he kept his cool in a totally different country with everyone against him
Yea especially when Americans are either salty or disrespect to him
@@sleepyearth "No one wants you here go back to racing slow retards in the third world." - Some commenter (very presumably American) So much for southern hospitality eh? Honestly, that quote was horrid. Some people... In all reality most of them were probably quite kind and just enjoyed the brilliant racing. It's just that the stupid and disrespectful ones are usually the loudest.
remember that the dutch owned the USA a while back.
@@freelife-productions5745 No one knows about New-Holland But whatever, it's in the past
These guys are racing in a world championship... being in a totally different country is their everyday life!
As a Dutch guy I knew about Herlings’ performances in MXGP. I never knew about this dominating performance though. What an epic mini-documentary you’ve made. Hats off to you sir!
Definitely makes you proud :)
Same, Never knew he did this
This was great. I very much enjoyed the commentary, and the very clear and concise explanation of the sport and the play by play. You managed to make a sport interesting for a non-sport enjoyer! I keep on going back to 21:45. What a badass. I'm definitely never going to forget this.
Was never into motorcross. But god do I love the stories that pride, ego, hard work and passion for a sport creates.
Just in case you’re wondering, that next race in Jacksonville was worth the hype. Tomac won the 1st race with Herlings finishing in 2nd. Herlings won the 2nd race with Tomac finishing 3rd, giving Herlings the overall title for the event.
He made another video about that !
I was there, i lived in Jacksonville for sometime taking my son to the track, we’ve lived between there and spain, and I can say with certainty, the European races are much tougher compared to America for the younger racers, but it eventually evens out. I have been a motocross mom in both America and Europe and there’s definitely a difference in competition and mindset. I notice Americans have more grit and endurance, i had a fellow motocross mom American who was also a military wife stationed in Spain at the time. She has similar views for differences, at least in younger riders. Her son started racing in Japan.
Thanks for the update :D
Superb documentary. Herlings actually got a royal knighthood in his home country. It is basically a recognition of his achievements and his role as an ambassador of sports for the Netherlands. MX is not a big sport in NL but we do recognise a TOP athlete if we see him (or her). Amazing talent. He is always extremely dedicated, focused, physically fit and well prepared.
MX is big in NL, in Austria we have the brand, you got the fast riders, especially on deep soil.
im Dutch and literally never heard of this guy or had any knowledge that the Netherlands was in any way internationally involved with mx. Now ill watch out for it though
@@maxt3311 do you live under a rock ?
and ofc a little bit crazy
Of course the Dutch would be understated in absolutely dominating in any form of bicycle sports!
I have never watched anything motocross related on KZhead before, never. Still somehow this video pops up on my recommended feed - I click it out of curiosity. Instantly hooked, you put together such a great video that I was hooked from the intro. I've never been interested in motocross before this video. Holy s***.
Thank you for saving this historic sport event ! Put so nice together like a pro documentary. HT to you Ash.
I'm from the US, and I think you're right: this was one of the greatest rides MX has ever seen. Even since then, Herlings has shown he's a machine on the bike. Incredible racer.
💯🫵🏼👍🏼🫡👊🏼✌🏼
Carmichael was a beast. But so was everts. They were equals.
@@de4ds1ghtcsgo94 I never got to see Carmichael, Stewart in their prime. Would have been a trip. But I have seen Herlings win an MXGP with a broken foot.
@@CommieHunter7 everts won with cracked ribs😅
@@CommieHunter7 but carmichael also won with a broken hand 😅
Very occasionally KZhead throws you a recommendation from leftfield that ends up being one of the best videos you've ever seen. You have a great talent for putting together a documentary and capturing the imagination of viewers who have little or no interest in the subject. Well done man, incredible video.
Right! I was reluctant to watch this video at first, but KZhead was persistent with recommending this video, it kept showing up for a month until I finally watched it.
I agree 100%.
@@Silver_o same
This is that video.
That’s exactly how I’ve ended up here and I have no regrets for clicking onto this video 😂
Well narrated, well edited, and i like the way you allowed the footage and commentary add to the video. Nice job
Thanks man, can appreciate the video as a Dutchman. I never knew this, but i am not a big fan of motocross in general. It was a joy to watch Jeffrey doing this in the USA. The response of the Americans is..... well no words for it. Thanks for sharing this.
If American MX fans won't talk or remember about this great feat, you have hands down made sure it will be remembered. 1+ million witnesses of a great feat by Herlings.
We talk about it all the time and Everyone knew herlings was the fastest guy outdoors. The title is click bait. The author leaves out a lot about the differences in the sport between america and the mxgp series. The americans run two separate series, meanwhile the mxgp guys run purely outdoor motocross. In america The money sponsors and riders are concerned about is in supercross which is raced typically in stadiums. In the last four weeks of any given motocross season, riders and team actually start testing bike setups for supercross and spend less time practicing outdoors. Its also the end of the season and Tomac had the title clinched so there was no need to go for the win and keep up with herlings. This mentality is also one of the reasons why herlings has been injured repeatedly and will underachieve in his career when he is probably the most talented guy on the planet.
americans are the best mx riders on the planet. just look at americas record on mxon. and the best compete in ama.
@@hongkongphooey5944 Yes and americans are the best complainers and excuse makers to.
@@taylort123 Quite critical but fair. Thank you kind sir. Although a win is a win and whether Tomac wanted to keep up or not he couldn't... not in this race at least.
@@taylort123 the problem is that Tomac crashed trying to catch herlings.
To achieve that, especially considering he had just 1 day to adapt to and set up that bike, and new surroundings/event for him, it was legendary. The people trying to undermine, boo or ignore this feat are basically bashing the AMA. Also, great production on the video, top notch.
To put this into perspective, the only other time I can think of when a European motorsports legend showed up and cleaned house in an American series was when Sebastien Loeb _stomped_ the 2012 X Games Rallycross championship, besting the top US rally talent like Ken Block & Travis Pastrana. However, unlike Herlings who was on an entirely new bike, the Rallycross DS3 Citroen was very much the same car that Loeb had been running in the WRC; albeit with an engine beefed up to 600 HP instead of 300 and the lights & co-drivers seat removed.
@@legoferrari14 Probably Walter Röhrl in the TransAm series. Because of him the TransAm managers forbid all wheel drive and non american cars :D
@@legoferrari14 Loeb did the same in 2013 in Pikes Peak, beating everyone with a world record as a bonus.
@@espe1317 That's a great catch to remember that too. But I will give half of that to the Audi engineers for developing that car. Because it really was a bit above the competing machinery with its awd drivetrain.
To be honest, it's not that surprising. The us has what, around 330M people (most of which who can't ever afford to compete anyway?) Vs even the EU where you have almost 500M people (and less inequality and several hundred million more people around EU itself)
As someone who has been on the starting line, raced and won State level Championships Jeff is by far the fastest man on the planet. That kid is wicked fast.
Not anymore, He is nowhere near as dominant as Carmichael was or Everts for that matter. Villopoto and Cairoli as well. One of the greats but not the greatest. Championships make greatness and he crashed out of more than he won. He also stayed in the 250's far to long.
@othgmark1 Buddy.. why are you listing riders who won national titles next to riders who won world titles? RV went to Europe and came home after 4 rounds, at least he tried, but this is the reality in the difference of talent levels. RV was a great and dominant NATIONAL level rider, just like Toemack…. NATIONAL level, not world.
As a Dutchman, of course, I am proud of Herlings, Great documentary!
One of the comment on the socials posts that said congrats on leaving the slow Moto and welcome to the fast Moto is hilarious
Gewoon het feit dat die een arrogante Amerikaan heeft geklopt is het beste
As a Brit - fucking get in Herlings! I won’t lie, any time a European sportsman or athlete visits the US and shows them up, I’m all about it. The US generates some of the best sporting performances of all time and good on them for that. But with it comes more than a little ego and arrogance. Sometimes we gotta knock em down a peg or two and just remind them - you aren’t the only elite players in the game :)
This guy's stamina and endurance must be at a terminator level. Even reasonably fit people would be on the verge of fainting after a lap or two at this pace, holy shit
There was a race where Herlings fractures his shoulder after a rider landed on it and he went on to win it. The guy is a beast
@@sniperdude6286 meanwhile he's making sure he doesn't while passing the field XD tf
After 10 seconds only! 😓 Not even one lap...
Well, he is Dutch from Europe. What do you expect? 😄😎
@@AndersJackson What the absolute hell is it with fast and insane dutchies in motorsport?
The fact he came here and played by there rules and use there motorcycle registrations says it all dude is a beast 💯👍🏽
I’ve watched this before but it popped up on my YT homepage so I’m watching again. As someone who doesn’t follow this sport, it’s fascinating. This type of competition in any sport makes a great story and you’re a great story-teller.
I was at Ironman for this, it was literally unbelievable watching the second moto live. Dude was literally on a different level than the Americans
"americans"? you mean like Marvin Musquin and Ken Roczen? are those the Americans you're talking about?
And don't forget, two other European champions in there too - Roczen and Musquin. Seems you all forget that not all of the racers are U.S. racers.
The ama is just like a country championship , mxgp is a higher level hence " WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP"
@@mrrallyeman389 just because of the title of it huh? not logical.. the americans have been faster on many occasions, not that it really matters "us vs them" shit. thats a huge problem with people. tomac wisely backed it down after he crashed in moto 1 to wrap up the title. he beat herlings in the first moto in florida the next weekend. ive gotta stop reading these things... losing brain cells. ta ta
@@powersportsenthusiast1986 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😛
Mate I know you're into MX as a channel, but with your editing and storytelling abilities, a series breaking down different rivalries/races in different motorsports series in this style would do insanely well. Just food for thought :) I'm not a MX fan but I found myself totally engrossed in this, really bloody well done man.
Agreed, never really watched MX much but this video was simply spectacular
I agree with this, amazing editing and storytelling!
Except for the foreground music that drowns out any commentary...and the exaggerated claims\ sensationism.
same, love bikes not really into the whole mx thing but this episode got me on the edge of my seat, spot on with what you said
100%
Great video! I’ve been waiting for him to come back and do a whole series outdoor. Thx
you are definitly a great story teller. awesome video, and i'm far from the motocross world (in fact i don't even care), it's not about the subject, just the editing, the story telling, awesome video, you actualy made me enjoy this epic motocross battle !
The Jedi mind trick was gold. That was a great story and it's quite sad that the 2nd race didn't show nearly as much of Herlings as it should have. He was pretty much passing the entire field like they were standing still.
Yeah I'm amazed how petty the American base is. You'd think new blood a new mindset would help the others grow.
such fragile egos that they wanted to sweep herlings under the rug and pretend like nothing happened but you really can't ignore him if he takes the top spot lol
@@shepherdrm8486 That's exactly why did they don't grow, in Europe you have to compete against athletes from other countries, cultures, upbringings and mindsets which teaches you a lot of out of the box thinking. It's one of Europe's strongest feats.
Herlings gets Smoooooked 😂 kzhead.info/sun/nrtucp2ukaurpJ8/bejne.html
@@tryingtotryistrying you are cringe
Man , thanks a ton for the story, I am not a motocross fan but I think it is time for me to follow this sports. Amazing story! My first season as a motorbike rider is gonna be 2024 )))
Thank you for this great piece. That was a nice watch. Well put together. Cheers.
This was absolutely epic to watch. The production and storytelling level of this is absolute gem. I'm still having goosebumps! Cheering and clapping along the way with this journey... Fantastic work!
I love that haha! My goal was to keep people on the edge of their seat, but clapping a cheering? Hell yeah 👏
Agree. I have no idea how this entered my vidfeed. I dont even like this sport. But watching this was time spend good.
@@ashsowman First of all great video, I love your storytelling. Secondly, I already know the results of the MXGP of USA, because I watched it. Are you going to make a follow up story about this? I would love to hear that in your style of video's.
@@ashsowman you hit your goal 💯
Yeh I second this, the way you went about producing this video is perfect well done.
This is so well edited and narrated. Honestly, amazing work. I know the result for the next event, but I want to watch your documentary on it. When are you releasing it?
The only thing better than this story, is the presentation. Epic video mate, kudos to ya. Peace from WA
Get part 2 up NOW! This was an incredible watch, suspensful all the way through, the editing, amount of real video footage and images used and the narration just made this perfect!
Hopefully things like this will make Americans remember, haha
@@mailio4536 Hopefully it will make them humble enough to understand that not every competition held in the US is "world championship".
@@erikbackenfall738 yeah thats so stupid. Its USA championship. If i won British championship in table tennis i am BC not WC god damn some of this guys from USA are stupid. They think they are the world. They think America is USA. America is the whole continent FFS.
@@erikbackenfall738 The world series comes to mind when America is the only one participating. ☕ Who am I kidding, that's fucking funny in of itself 🤣💀
@erik Nope, we now have “world” supermotocross An American domestic title, held in America, on American tracks, governed by the AMA, with American national riders making up majority of the field……… “world”
This video just brought me back in time! Herlings is one of the fastest riders ever and I’m glad he came over here and won. Showed us that we needed to step it up! I’ll always up the upmost respect for Jeffery and the rest of the mxgp guys!
Such a rad video Ash! Can’t wait for the video on what happened at the moto gp at WW!
MXGP, not MotoGP. MotoGP is a road course series. Like F1 only with motorbikes.
@@keithsoonoriginal I respect the moto gp guys too 😂 I fixed it for you though lol
brooo, what is wrong with you people? You make it sound like herlings came over here and won by 40+ seconds.... Did you forget how marvin musquin was ALL over him for the entire moto??? marvin ALSO set the fastest lap of the race..... and marvin musquin was the second place rider all year behind tomac. Tomac would have beaten herlings handedly if he went for it...... guy had a championship to worry about, and herlings had nothing to lose. Tomac would have been incredibly stupid to get into a battle with herlings
@@Mxracer6y Marvin isn’t American though lol and as much as I’m a Tomac fan he wasn’t faster than Jeffery that year. I think Eli is faster now but Jeffery beat him 2 weeks later at the gp in America also. I’m just calling it for what it is
I’ve watched this all the way through 3 times now. Really well done man! Epic rides like this need to be remembered.
Fantastic edit man, you captured the whole emotion of this weekend perfectly 👍
Dude I planned to watch like 10 minutes of this because it's literally 1am on Christmas now, but it was so well made and it absolutely flew by. Not even a Motorcross fan and this video is fucking brilliant, definitely got a new sub now mate, keep it up
Gave a sub, watched the video twice. Amazingly captivating.
Well this American right here sees people as people so it does not matter to me what country someone calls home. Herlings was amazing in this race!!! A true champ wants to race against the best and win. I'm going to look Herlings up and watch some of his races as a result of this video. Love it!
Watch Herlings; Lierop 2012
I suspect that most people look at it that way. In the moment, I can see how some would get carried away with the whole Europe Vs NA aspect of it all. As a Brit, I would probably play in to that, but that's what Brits do. In my experience, it is something that is often misunderstood by our American friends. Brits make fun of Aussies, as much as Aussies make fun of us. We both make fun of ourselves, too. It's all friendly banter. Americans quite often take it as serious criticism.
@@rolmops883 because it is serious criticism
Awesome video! The production quality, the effort put into it, the narration! 10/10 and I'm not even an MX fan, I just do some very light enduro (more like off road touring)
Random pop-up in my feed - I don't watch much motocross - but I took a look, got hooked til the end and glad of it. What a ride! Great action doco. Riveted to the edge of my seat
I don’t watch or follow MX but watching this I was completely captivated. This video is of such great quality and has been crafted like a perfect beer. Appreciated every moment of this congratulations
It is all down hill from here. You just saw the best.
I’ll say it one more time. I am proud of you for creating this AMAZING documentary.I AM AMERICAN. I’ve been into motocross for 40 years. When I saw Herlings race in the US I was impressed. More importantly, he impressed me in the press conference. Blake baggett was star struck. Marvin was ONLY excited about how KTM won the whole thing. Jeffrey articulated how the MXGP series is WAY harder than The US Series.. it’s single Line and if you don’t
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That was an excellent documentary. I dont even watch motorcross and I was hooked. Great work
I had this video recommended to me by my brother, I'm not into motocross at all, never watched a race in my life, but the way you produced this video was outstanding and had me captivated from the beginning.
Unbelievably well put together. It was exciting to watch the whole way through. 10 out of 10!
Wow that's high praise! Glad you enjoyed it my friend 👊
@@ashsowman yep I concur it was so good, never watched before but it was like rocky balboa but with motor cross, Jeffrey Herlings is an absolute beast, cool measured and utterly focused and damn the speed, I'm proud of him ty Ash for this it was like the Op said top notch production I was on the edge of my seat, is there A part 2?.
@@ashsowman Amazing story telling on your part. Superb editing
@@ashsowman I think this might just be in my favorites of 2022 youtube video when taken as a whole. I don't even like sports or have an interest in bikes or cars.
I've been writing and producing TV shows for 30 years and this is some of the best content I've seen on any platform. Amazing job. Bravo and congrats. Keep it up!
Mighty morphine powder rangers
I just googled you, YOU WORKED ON POWER RANGERS?
@@Dragon-xd9em I did, bro. For many years. I also worked for the Disney Channel, Netflix and Nickelodeon. Keep up the great work. You're killing it!
@@douglassloan6831 you're awesome!
@@Dragon-xd9em Thank you, brother!
As someone who has never watched any form of dirt bike racing, I can confirm Jeffery Herlings is the GOAT of the sport. Top class video.
What a doc! Fantastic story. Thank you. I look forward to watching the head to head to head!
Literally don't care about motocross at all, and you still had my full attention from start to finish. Absolutely smashed this in terms of audio quality, visual engagement, and overall narrative. I'd definitely give this a 10/10! Keep up the good work, and have a happy new year!
I was there at Ironman that day to witness this and gotta say it was the most impressive display I’ve ever seen in moto. Herlings corner speed was the difference.
Those bullshit corners. Turning ain't racing!
Jeffrey, as a dutch man im so proud to see this! i was clapping all the way after your wins, beatiful driving!
Sick vid bro, well made! Loved it.
As a rower, everything made sense after the press conference. Coming from a team that specifically practiced in a rough water river, we were much better prepared for perfect conditions than teams that had it all the time. Worse track conditions always force technical skills that exploit better track conditions.
Reminds me of the Soccer finals in 54 Germany/Hungary. They only won thanks to the rain.
I always muddle it up in words, but when you race people who are slower you will win, but if you race people who are faster than you might not come first but you will have a new personal best. Another would be "no calm sea made a skilled sailor" which seems more appropriate to your comment.
Great video. I'm Dutch living abroad, still follow Dutch news once in a while. It's not a big sport in Netherlands but media still reports Herlings' wins/injuries etc. Don't think the gen pop really cares. Watching this makes me realise his achievements are very extraordinary. Thanks for a great video and looking forward to the next!
Verstappen kinda ruined it for Herlings.
Same. Needed a US KZheadr to learn me about a great achievement from a fellow countryman.
I dont even watch motorcross. i dont even neccessarily like it, but this video is just incredible and i must say that my interest in motorcross seems to have awakened due to it. Incredible video, really.
Thank you for sharing, made me as a Dutch feel proud that someone in the us could appreciate his achievement.
I remember watching this live, and wondering just who Jeffrey Herlings was, and how on earth a guy with a 3 digit plate was simply walking the entirety of the AMA field almost effortlessly. I won't speak for others, but ever since that day I've been hopeful that Jeffrey would take a legitimate full-season crack at the AMA Motocross series. Let's be honest: competition breeds progress and innovation. If there's a person out there who is simply faster than everyone else, they deserve a shot at winning it all. It doesn't matter who it is, where they hail from or how they got there. I want Jeffrey to take on America. And if he wipes the floor with his competitors, then good. We're better off that way anyways. Don't elt the sport get stagnant. Bring in wildcards to spice things up and keep everyone on their toes. As an example: 2022 MotoAmerica AMA RoadRacing series gave us an incredible fight between Jake Gagne, an AMA-bred racer and champion, and former MotoGP factory rider Danilo Petrucci, which ended up coming down to the last race.
Well said my man, this is called sportsmanship!
Honestly having a small end of season series putting up the best from Europe, America Africa and maybe even Asia against each other
Very little chance he doesn’t crash his brains out halfway through the championship cause he’s not capable of backing it down when he needs to
Dam youtube, i swear I'm not following ANY moto cross news but this video, the quality the story stelling everything is here, absolute master piece to my eyes. Like many have posted before i had no clue my fellow country man was so dominant in the motocross world, kick ass Jeffrey!
Are you into bodyboarding?
Well that was the same to me, Greetzzz from Friesland...Was following Ramon Dekkers and this came across...
I don't follow any motorcycle stuff, saw lots of folk getting wiped out of Instagram crashes... Then a documentary of the Isle of Man TT yesterday, and now this. respect to the algorithm
I don't care about sports at all, and motocross racing has never crossed (pun intended) my mind previously. However this mini documentary is so well done I'm now invested. The pacing and overall quality of narration is superb. IMHO this is a great video for not only motocross fans, but for anyone.
Thank you for such a great mini documentary. The music led to the tensiom in a great way!
I remember this race like it was yesterday. And I remember taking heavy flak at work amongst the moto guys for saying that we shouldn't be so quick to dismiss this Euro guy. I have always followed MXGP and I had an inkling that the days of American moto dominance was over. That race was the first of a few that, unfortunately, proved me correct. I love motocross and motocross racers, whether they be from Florida or Belgium, New Zealand or Russia, Cali or Sweden.
I think people obsess to much over their country being the best.
@@MegaBanne The difference is that other countries are very used to competing against other nations regularly, while Americans keep only competing against each other and pretending it's a competition of the best of the best, pretending other nations don't exist. And when reminded, they *still* pretend they don't exist.
@@Ebbagull That's not exactly true for every American sport. Sure, it's true for American football but baseball and basketball both have a Canadian team each. NHL has several Canadian teams and America does very well in the Olympics against all countries. Indy car is fairly diverse with plenty of Europeans, Australians and Latin Americans. Unfortunately there are no Americans in F1 but that might change soon with the increasing popularity of that sport. Motorcross just seems to have a strange nationalistic culture around it that doesn't really translate to every American sport.
Eli Tomac2022 Sx Mx and MXOn champion.!!!!!! Something Herlings willl never ever accomplish!!!!
He was from the Netherlands, not sweden
This was epic! I remember when Nigel Mansell took lots of stick as well when he came across from F1 (champion) to IndyCar and won it in his first year! Only person to hold both titles at the same time.
I might be wrong but I think there is only Mario Andretti to have held both titles at other than Mansell, they are the only two I know of anyway
@@m4rkscott Andretti didn’t have F1 and Indy simultaneously
@@m4rkscott Nah, it's only Mansell. He's also the only driver in history to win the CART title in his first season! Andretti is the only person to ever to win the Indianapolis 500 (1969), Daytona 500 (1967) and the Formula One World Championship.
@@KangoV Are there any other drivers at all that have been Indi car champions and formula 1 champions not in the same seasons
@@m4rkscott Emerson Fittipaldi and Jacques Villeneuve
Such an excellent video, very well done mate. Never watched motocross in my life before and enjoyed so much