Would a Leverkusen unbeaten treble be the greatest club season ever? 🤔 | ESPN FC
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Gab Marcotti and Julien Laurens react to the weekend’s Bundesliga action, as Bayer Leverkusen’s epic unbeaten run hits 50 games with a 5-0 demolition of VfL Bochum.
0:00 Leverkusen’s unbeaten treble edges closer
1:33 Benjamin Sesko’s streak continues
2:34 Serhou Guirassy’s release clause
3:25 Bayern’s teenage stars show up vs. Wolfsburg
4:28 Bayern’s manager search
5:28 Dortmund embarrassed by Mainz
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If "Neverlusen" goes 53 games without a loss and wins the treble, there's no question it's the greatest club season ever.
An European club that is not playing in Ucl can never have the greatest club season ever title.. Don’t get me wrong i am a huge Xabi Alonso fan from his time in Real Madrid.. And i love what he has done for Leverkusen.. Maybe next year..
100% agree. You cannot say this without a ucl title. Europa cup, while prestigious trophy to have, is still much much much weaker than champions league.
@@timberhoff you are missing the point. No team in history has ever went a full season completely unbeaten in all competitions before. Regardless of being in the CL or not it will still be the best ever club season in history. Until another team eventually goes unbeaten in the league, domestic cups, and CL. But until then it's Leverkusen who are the best in history.
Still A GOLDEN European Treble. Unique if not THE Greatest still A G.O.A.T Season @@timberhoff
@@sifathasan7360Still A GOLDEN European Treble. Unique if not THE Greatest still A G.O.A.T Season
With all due respect to people claiming this is not impressive, you can only win the competitions you are a part of. No team has done this yet and probably won’t be achieved again. We’ve had plenty of treble winners now. Wouldn’t call any season greatest ever but it’s great to see something like this unfolding.
Guess who could make a good attempt at repeating this but including the Champions League, will be good odds to put down for Alonso to do it with Madrid when he gets there
@@Youafool500Leverkusen are playing in the UCL next season. Why can’t they do it again? How do you know Alonso won’t snub Madrid like he snubbed Liverpool and Bayern? Yes, Madrid is no doubt the biggest club in the world. But the difference between Madrid and Liverpool/Bayern is far less than the difference between Liverpool/Bayern and Leverkusen.
@@monokumaxd1943 The odds on them going another season unbeaten is doubtful, like you said they will be playing in the champions league next season so defeats is already a certainty there, amazing season but they won’t be able or replicate it. As for Alonso, he’s not going to stay at Leverkusen for long, if the Madrid job gets offered to him, he will take it. He moved around as a player so no doubt he will do that as a manager
While you’re correct, it’s also correct to call it “a treble” and not “the treble.” There’s a very big difference between the EL and the CL.
@@Youafool500 I agree that he’ll move around, but I think you’re very bold to say that if Madrid comes knocking he’ll definitely take it. Bayern are in a state of extreme turmoil right now and there is a real possibility for Xavi to establish a new dynasty in the Bundesliga if he stays and keeps his team together. I have no doubt that he will eventually manage Madrid, but I think that it won’t be immediately. I think he will spend at least another 4 or 5 seasons at Leverkusen, working on the project and establishing Leverkusen as the Bundesliga’s ruling dynasty given Bayern’s inability to effectively challenge for a title given their inner turmoil
The golden treble will go down in history.
Its the small treble though (EL instead of CL)
@@richi1235 Everyone knows, yet it would be one of the most impressive seasons in history.
@@richi1235 Even still, that's just because of one title which would be between equal level opponents. The domestic double going unbeaten in the league would be a massive achievement in Germany, plus competing in Europe without a loss there too
@@richi1235 but the team is mid and winning golden treble is something that never happened before especially that we almost got a ucl german final so the bundesliga is still good.
@@richi1235 If they win Club WC it will be viewed like the full deal.
Yes, an unbeaten Treble at any level would be amazing and anyone stating otherwise is a fool. Leverkusen haven't lost since May 27th 2023. They are about to go a WHOLE year without suffering a defeat. That is insane.
Gab and Jus are disgusting haters. Gab didn't even give a shred of credit. How can hê say Leverkusen only drew with Roma because Roma were chasing a winner.
Greatest club in football history! Incredible! Bundesliga produces again.
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yes, if i was a bayern munich, a man city, real/barca you would say they needed an ucl instead of europa as these teams have massive budgets and salaries but for a team like leverkusen then yeah this is huge and historic
Yes its historic. They don't have oil money or billions,they worker with what they have and they've been very much impressive. They deserve the utmost respect
In my opinion, if they win the treble undefeated, even though it's only the Europa League and not the CL, it probably outranks teams who've won the treble including the CL. To do it undefeated adds an extra dimension. I'm really hoping they can do it, as it's stories like this that make football so great. One league game left at home to mid-table Augsburg, a German cup final against 2nd tier Kaiserslautern, surely those are in the bag and it all boils down to the Europa League final against Atalanta. The crazy thing is, Leverkusen could be 2 down after 85 minutes, and I'd still fancy them to win it.
Not really.. CL is the best competition and what teams actually want to win. The rest are just stuff the top teams settle for. Maybe it's the historian in me but there's just no way this team with who they have actually had to play is the best club season ever. Best club season ever that didn't include Champions aka the TOP tournament of the world? Yeah I can accept that. 😂
@@dacrib5350 What happens if Leverkusen decisively beat Madrid in a potential super cup? Still won't concede?
Obviosuly not. They wouldn't be unbeaten if they were competing in the Champions League
@@paulharrington2867 that's your opinion, they aren't competing in the Champions League, so no one can ever know how they would have performed.
Nope they haven’t faced Madrid
Very few have gone undefeated in there domestic leagues let alone the cup and Europe. Bayern won 11 straight Bundesliga’s and never went undefeated. Unbelievable season from Bayer Leverkusen
Leverkusen Deserves the utmost respect. No Oil money,115 Charges or world class players like Madrid or Bayern. They worked with what they have. Im a die hard Madrid Fan,but this season Leverkusen has Earned my utmost respect and deep adoration!!!. My God this football Club made me so happy 😊
What even is a 'covid-treble'? Roma got literally manhandled by Leverkusen over the two legs and were very lucky to even get their 2 goals. Gab won't mention that though while in his Serie A bias desperation. Leverkusen should have scored 5 goals, at least. Roma got lucky that Leverkusen didn't play Wirtz, Boniface, Schick and instead played 3rd striker Hlozek who missed sitters.
FatGab is a known anti-German. He is salty Bundesliga is better than Serie A.
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Winning every game possible everywhere with no astricks. Yeat the GOAT
short answer: *YES.*
for now yes until a team wins the big treble undefeated
Far less likely to happen now with the new UCL format.
50 games unbeaten and winning 5-0 is just perfect.
Yes
Again they scored after 90 mins😱😱😱😱
Who cares? They scored.
Hands down, the greatest season performance, setting the par and I challenged any team in the world not only soccer any team sport to emulate it or even to do better, even my beloved The Arsenal fc.......
Barcelona, Inter, Man Utd, Man City, Ajax, Celtic, Bayern Munich, PSV Eindhoven have all won the treble. None of them went the whole season unbeaten in all competitions like Leverkusen might well do. The question is would you rather your team lose a few games but win the Champions League, League and Cup or remain undefeated all season and win the League by well over 10 points, Cup and Europa League while beating teams who went far the Champions League?
Sixtuple that Pep did at Barca and Hansi did at Bayern are number 1 & 2. What Leverkusen is doing will probably go down as the most impressive if they go unbeaten, but definitely not the best achievement in a single season.
Heynckes treble in 2013 was AS good AS flicks Bayern treble in 2020...
@@tb2571 Difference being is Flick winning six trophies that year
Short answer: YES.!
Maybe greatest club season, but certainly greatest for a season ticket holder. The amount of late deciding goals must be unprecedented. I watched every game of theirs this season and think a more fitting name is "Nervekusen"
Even a bad bayern side has not lost in group stage since aeons
Was verstehst Du unter "bad" Bayern? Ein Kader der knapp eine Milliarde wert ist? Die können jede Mannschaft schlagen an einem guten Tag. Seit wann gibt es denn die bad Bayern? Seit 2017?
At last a small mention for VfB Stuttgart. An amazing season rarely talked about..
If you are a team in desperate need for a striker and a player like Guirassy is on the market for £17m, you would have to be crazy not to make the deal even if he is 28. There are teams spending double that amount for just a squad player, let alone a potential starter. If the gamble doesn't work out, it's fine because he probably won't be on crazy wages. A lot of big teams are looking for strikers so if you are West Ham or a team of that nature for example, you rush to get him.
If not the greatest one of the greatest. Only asterisk is not Champions League treble but they beat both Champions League semi-finalists (one in the final and the other very close).
Yes it would.
Came here from the podcast to say Jules is totally correct about the ladies old Trafford no show. Fuzzy thinking gab
Yes, as a bayern fan. 53 games unbeaten and treble win would be historical. Its not easy to win Europa League as many think. Big teams failed in that competition before Liverpool. Congrats to Leverkusen so far. 🇩🇪
If they manage to achieve that, then yes. Its even more remarkable in todays football, so imo it would be the greatest season ever played by a club
If they get 54 simply yes, for that they need to beat the CL Winner.
Yes, clearly
easily greatest club achievement of all time
They didn't win the UCL, so no it's not
EL is underrated. Leverkusens opponent in the final is a team that managed to beat Liverpool 0:3 at home.
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Jeremy Doku...???
I don't think it's really fair to call any of these teams the greatest ever club season cause there are too many different factors, but it should definitely be in the conversation in the least
Yes end of
Nah. They can try again next year in the CL.
But don’t undermine Atlanta! They are not easy to mess with remember they destroyed Liverpool at Anfield.
What is Atlanta? The MLS club?
When they win the UCL next year, it will be their greatest season.
Imagine... Dotmund winning the Champions League.
In this episode of the Yap & Juls Show: "It only came because Roma were behind on aggregate." "It depends how they win it. I would have to review that. It depends who the opponents were..." "That was a covid treble though" The disrespect is insane in this one. Football heritage apparently just exists when it occurs in the UK. Ignorant, arrogant, borderline delusional.
Yes, but only if they were in UCL. Tbh, they could win the UCL this season if they were in it.
Leverkusen Neverlusen 🔥👏🏿
Funny part is there's actually a team named Neverlusen FC 😂
Haven't seen it yet, but the answer is probably "Naaah no Champions League and more important, not from the premier league....so...no..." ^^
took out of my mouth 😂😂😂😂
Because the ucl is more important and better than the europa league. I'm sorry but beating Aston Villa isn't the same as beating Real.
@@russellward4624 image if they win the Europa League this season and win the Champions League next season. Porto did it under Jose at the time, it was still named the UEFA cup
Gab tried to go that route, but Juls didn't wannas hear that nonesense. So in the end he simply suggested it by saying: 'we'll have to review their opponents'. Which is a sensible thing to do, but then please also do it for the other unbeaten teams + you could have done that before the podcast. Was just an excuse for Gab to dismiss Leverkusen's season and brush it aside... Going unbeaten like that is great even if 'only' Europa League. I mean why couldn't any big club manage that when they were playing Europa.
@@ThomasSamoth-ls8ed valid.
Silver treble is impressive. The golden treble is the main goal
It's the going unbeaten part that moves the goal posts when it comes to the golden and silver debate.
A good story for Hollywood
Nah, It would have to be the UCL instead of Europa League
Nope. Farmers leauge title and Europa league title does not compare to the sheer difficulty in winning the EPL and the UCL
you mean the epl that was terrible in all european competitions while the "farmes league" has one team in both the champions league and europe league final?
@@altafahmad8578 So what a farmers team don't win the EPL and the UCL this season. Dortmund is a rubbish team that got lucky. Real Madrid will thrash them like they always thrash Bayern.
The two are some of the worst pundits couldn't even give leverkusen some credit... Going unbeaten is tremendous cause if it was Bayern with the same record this season they would off been gloryfying them.
Gab is such a hater
They missed out winning the treble in 2002 now they are going to win back the treble they have lost😂
No it wouldn't. Leverkusen didn't play in the Champions League, and nearly lost in the Europa league many times. To West Ham, Roma, Qarabag etc they would never have had an unbeaten season in the UCL
Gab Marcotti's ant-Bundesliga bias through the roof in this video. Why's this guy even covering the league. Guy is a stain and annoying and then constantly adds disinfo on top. Are people even supposed to enjoy your 'shows'? I doubt that at this point. This annoying unproffesionalism is why me and so many more every single day don't even tune in to ESPN anymore and just occassionally watch some YT vids we get clickbaited into.
You enjoy😂😂😂
Gab and Jus are disgusting haters. Gab didn't even give a shred of credit. How can hê say Leverkusen only drew with Roma because Roma were chasing a winner.
who needs a champions league when you can with the Europa league universal title?😂
Impressive but no UCL means not the greatest
madness,so it does,nt matter what competition.or what opponents you play.if leverkusen played last season in premier league would they have won it unbeaten,and won fa cup and a european cup unbeaten. i have to find something else to watch, this is provocative to cause interest. the english press do this all the time.i need to find a serious channel.
Atlanta will beat them. Atlanta in Great form
Obviously not given it doesn't contain the Champions league. Every treble winner had a better season. Munich had a better season in 2013. Thy won Bundesliga with more points and the Champions league over the Europa league 🤷
I am a Bayern Fan ...but u cant compare IT...Bayern Had and has a far bigger Budget...this IS Bundesliga...the Teams are very poor...Last Spot in England get more Money than the First in Bundesliga. Besides english Teams have Investors unlike in Bundesliga. Leverkusens top Players salary would be one of the lowest salaries in munich. They achieved Something really great. Leverkusen always was a top Team in Germany but they are Like Tottenham. The clear number 4 or 5 in Germany with ni Chance of winning any silverware...Bayern Leipzig Dortmund and even Wolfsburg can pay more and have more Budget...while Bayern Dortmund and Leipzig we're clearly above them in the Last years and it seemed like they are even Miles away from Dortmund and Leipzig in the Last 5 years ...even Clubs Like Frankfurt or Freiburg seemed to step on the Same Level or even above them in the Last years
@@tb2571 you're misunderstanding the point. Bayern had a better season. Barca, Utd, Inter and City too. Leverkusen's season is impressive for many reasons but it's not the best. They aren't competing in the highest level of competition so it couldn't possibly be the greatest. Sorry.
@@paulharrington2867 cant agree with that... Imagine Bilbao win la Liga the Cup and Euro League undefeated...demolishing real Madrid and Barcelona....who reach the final and semi final in ucl... Or AS Roma in italy ....u can Not compare Premier League with other leagues...IT is Like cheating...they have 20x more Money Bundesliga Serie a and laliga have together...man City didnt achieve anything.
@@tb2571 stop talking rubbish. When teams have won the treble containing the Champions league, a treble without it isn't as good. Simple 🤷
They're doing it in a terrible league whilst playing in the Mickey Mouse europa league.
With a ucl semi finalist and a finalist !!!
the dortmund behavier in a league match against a opponent fighting relegation with other clubs was disgusting
It will be on the Level of 1FC Kaiserslautern under Otto Rehhagel....but sorry....the golden triple is unbeatable in terms of prestige. Making it under the last 4 in the Champions League means more than a Europa League Trophy. Just FACTS. But it is definitely one of the greatest Bundesliga stories....besides 1FC Kaiserslautern and Bayern München collecting triples...Werder Bremen winning the European Trophy of Cup winners back in the days....and the FC Schalke 04 Uefa Cup win....
No, because winning the Europa League is not part of a real treble. While it's still a decent feat, it's not in the same stratosphere as winning the CL in a treble.
Corresponding budgets to corresponding tournaments. Leverkusen's achievement in EL is as big as City's achievement in CL. Only they did undefeated.
The definition of Treble is 3 titles, doesnt specify which titles and if it is unbeaten then it is up there at the top.
@@MemoTeaIT is bigger Bro...give Citys Money too any Bundesliga Club and they will do the Same without any Problems....abu Dhabi owners came in 2008 and spend more than whole Bundesliga in the Same time....German or spanish Club wouldnt need AS much time to win the ucl...16 years .....boy the Last place in Ur epl earns more Money than the First in Bundesliga.... Besides u have Investors for each Club while Bundesliga Clubs have to sell their key Players every season...havertz diaby and Bailey were there a few seasons ago.
“A decent feat”? 🤔
No because the europa league is like the league cup of cups.
thats the conference league bbro... Both champions league finalist should not play the competition because neither was a champion last year! Its the League Cup of the old European Cup of national champions.
then why couldn't anyone else go unbeaten there. not even sevilla or any great pl club like liverpool, man u , chelsea, arsenal
neither barca
@@ThomasSamoth-ls8ed because nobody cares about going unbeaten. Barca were unbeaten a few years ago and rested Messi for a post season friendly. That's how unimportant going unbeaten is.
@@russellward4624 every football club cares about not being beaten
Still Real Madrids run is more impressive. Champions league is the pinnacle! And knowing that Real has just 1 loss…. Against Atletico… and probably setting up for their 15th… its far bigger achievement… despite Leverkussen never lost…
No. With all respect, it would be incredible, but winning a treble with a Champions League trophy and losing 1,2,3 games during the season is much more impressive. Real Madrid are on the way to do it. But for a smaller club like BL, a treble without losing a game would be phenomenal.
Nope, going unbeaten is 10x more impressive. Multiple teams have won b2b ucls, but no club has ever won a european trophy without losing a single game all season.
No. It would not be more phenomenal, since you would most likely lose in the league if you have 1,2 or 3 losses. Also, 1,2 or 3 losses has been achieved multiple times.
Champions League is a whole different animal. You can’t compare it to the Europa League. Leverkusen would’ve been knocked out already if they played in the CL.
@@mole1596 That is a ridiculous statement considering they haven't lost. They beat Bayern 3-0 and 2-2 and Dortmund 1-1 and 1-1, both of which were in the Semis. One beat PSG 2-0. The other one barely lost to a Real Madrid side mainly because of poor ref decision.
All who root for that club that has been buying games since the 50's has no self Dignity
Yes