Thank you mahle for the very informative video. I just purchased a set for my 377 build. I would add that I used to use convensional but good motor oil with zinc and diff weights etc. I got on the amsoil train on my last 3 builds, I must say I have learned a lot and am truly impressed. Not only did break in go better, but faster as well.
@Scubasteve224 жыл бұрын
I used to think orienting the end gaps of the rings was overkill and that the random nature of their rotation would suffice, until we had a short block rebuild Mazda V6 that came back in time and again for smoke and it wasn't until the most experienced mechanic (a pom) on the FOURTH return for excess smoke, pulled the pistons out that we found the rings end gaps all lined up... Blow me down with a feather! I also had a 660cc yamaha single that had been rebuilt and used heaps of oil and fouled plugs regularly that I suspect was a victim of not orienting the ring end gaps (as well)
@mattjacomos27953 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great information guys. I was curious about how much oil to put on the pistons, as well as which type. Very helpful, cheers.
@viperv265 жыл бұрын
Precisely what I needed. Thank you for sharing your knowledge
@charlesmartin73474 жыл бұрын
I just bought Mahle rings for my Peugeot 205. Thanks for the information as I'm installing them this afternoon.
@ThePugMonkey6 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much on orientation of the gaps. This really helped a ton sir.
@Broski878447 жыл бұрын
Awesome video. Very well detailed. “Congrats!”
@dannilaser162 жыл бұрын
I'm installing a set of Mahle rings for a 2002 Saab. The second compression ring has no markings except a paint stripe. Am I correct in assuming that this goes to the right hand side when viewing the side of the piston?
@Mogman1505 жыл бұрын
What do you think about Rotella T4 for break in on a 2001 Honda CBR600f4i?
@matt31223 жыл бұрын
Great info. Just re-ringed my LQ-4, and noticed the prior ring job hack. While I was comforted to see the rings were gapped .028/.030, but they were installed carelessly, one will all the oil rings aligned, several with the dot facing up, down, facing each other, just whichever way. And, the 1st and 2nd ring was directional. Happy to know I have the right ones in there now.
@K1LL3R_M1LL3R2 жыл бұрын
May I humbly suggest that any cast iron rings be warmed before fitting them as they are so easily broken, and so difficult to replace, sadly I learned the hard way.!
@johnrideout7124Ай бұрын
Can you use a moly fortified motor oil on start up?
@jamesd25142 жыл бұрын
what about piston ring one set have red and white coating on it I'm assuming it's top ring one
@ratchetthelastlombax36393 жыл бұрын
The "expander" is the oil ring? A 3-piece assembly?
@Soldier12873 ай бұрын
Obrigado pelo comentário,tem algum vídeo para montar os anéis da Ford Ranger motor ohv 4.0 ano 1995?
@silviosegredosdaoficina.2 жыл бұрын
excellent presentation. awesome job.
@ghettoracer Жыл бұрын
Great pistons
@rodneygodin77732 жыл бұрын
Buenas noches, mi pregunta es como verificó la originalidad de los anillos, ya que hay muchas copias en el mercado.
@dorianstevegonzalezgonzale1723 жыл бұрын
What if the ring 1 and 2 are keep getting stuck in piston and doesn’t move freely? There’s any fix for that or how do I fix that? I have 347 stroker kit.
@danyalnaseemalbert98212 жыл бұрын
Well explained!👏👏
@lordsenzulu8073 жыл бұрын
Hello, great video, I have ordered new piston rings for a X20SE Opel and the oil scraper ring set has a dash of red paint on one end and a dash of green on the other. Are the two ends supposed to butt up or over lapping each other. ??
@stevedowney4663 Жыл бұрын
The paint is used to quickly identify the rings for packaging. There should be in instructions for the gaps to be set for these rings at a minimum. Ring butting or overlapping of rings can lead to a catastrophic failure of the piston. So they should not be butting or overlapping.
@mahlemotorsport Жыл бұрын
Well now I fully understand how to address rig gap
@peterbuilttough34063 жыл бұрын
So the top ring has a chrome face and the second is black?
@ameerzubidat78902 ай бұрын
Do you not need to gap the rings specific to the block??? Surely this is a must with any engine build! I always use a feeler gauge etc to gap the piston rings to spec.
@chrisquinnx6 жыл бұрын
Yes
@quidly2594 жыл бұрын
@@quidly259 if theyre not file fit. i wouldnt touch em. some are. all power adder/higher performance applications are for sure. but its application specific
@KingJT803 ай бұрын
for any change do you guys have mahle forged pistons for a 2001volkswagen jetta 1.8t and some high performance valves
@alonsoaltamirano78457 жыл бұрын
Hi Alonso, we have pistons for the 1.8L Turbo, you can find all our listings here: www.us.mahle.com/media/motorsports/2016-app-guide-final-rev1-compressed.pdf
@mahlemotorsport7 жыл бұрын
so have a ring black/with dimple/ mark E .... this is the bottom ring ? and i have a chrome ring with no dimple/ mark E .... this is the top ring ?
@johnrighter4850 Жыл бұрын
Chrome would be your top, the black would be your second. If it has a dimple or an E/M that side faces upward.
@mahlemotorsport Жыл бұрын
hello, this is an excellent video, thank you for this work,,, please I will change my connecting rod bearings on a mustang V6 ci 200 from 1966,, can you tell me the tightening torque of the bearings,,, thank you a lot
@majidradouane5346 Жыл бұрын
You would want to contact MAHLE Aftermarket to answer that question on bearings.
@mahlemotorsport Жыл бұрын
Very very handy video! I bought a set of the 41859cp rings for my 5.3 LS!
@takuacheperformance47405 жыл бұрын
How do you know which ones top and which is middle?
@fluffinater3 жыл бұрын
Bought a set of Mahle Original 50785 rings. They had previously been taken out of the box and I am trying to find out which ring should be the 1st and 2nd ring. Both rings have a dot to mark top (up) of the rings. One ring is square with NO bevel and the other is beveled on the top (inside). Which ring would be the 1st ring and which would be the second ring?
@jayrussell54177 жыл бұрын
Hi Jay, those aren't MAHLE Motorsport rings so I can't speak definitively to that, but I think we can get you going. Which way is the bevel facing? Also, the outside face of the top ring should have a gray/silver look to indicate the coating, that's another good indicator to differentiate the two rings.
@mahlemotorsport7 жыл бұрын
OK, there is not distinct color difference as in your video. Both rings have dots on the top to indicate (this side up). Both rings have bevels on the inside ring edge. One has a very small bevel on the bottom side of the ring (opposite side of dot). The other has a larger bevel on the top (dot side) inside edge of the ring. Your help would be greatly appreciated.
@jayrussell54177 жыл бұрын
I'm having similar issue with my Perfect Circle rings. One ring has a dot and chamfered on the inside top. The other ring has the word TOP on it and chamfered the same as other ring (inside top) I've heard/read that marks always face up, but chamfer s should oppose each other? Ideas? Thanks
@4spdragtop6 жыл бұрын
Did not see if oil support rails were together at bottom or oil ring was between, why only stand piston up instead of showing? 🤨
@TheSPORTS5042 жыл бұрын
thank you informative
@stephenr1999 Жыл бұрын
Are those rings made in bore?
@Janus_Zeal11 ай бұрын
No, and to note most of our rings are file fit .005 over. The customer then files the ring down with the correct equipment to get the desired ring gap.
@mahlemotorsport10 ай бұрын
@@mahlemotorsport You've felt for a Janus Joke! Happy Sanctus-Janus Eve 2023! 🎉 🎇 ⚜ Pun : Those rings are bore ring!
@Janus_Zeal10 ай бұрын
Can the oil scraper go upside down?
@jefferyknudsen4028 Жыл бұрын
No, the scraper is designed to face down.
@mahlemotorsport Жыл бұрын
I’ve seen so many people use so much crap assembling engines are used to use 30sae non detergent oil and hyper lube 50-50 mix so you’ve got your sticky assembly lube mixed with sae 30
@mightyeagle Жыл бұрын
Shouldn't the oil rings be orentated? My personal preference is first top ring at 12, and second one at 6. One oil ring at 9 and one at 3 o'clock. Spacer ring don't matter much... but then I'm no professional, just sayin.
@garyr70273 жыл бұрын
This is our latest guide on ring installation and thoughts on ring gap for different forms of Motorsport. www.us.mahle.com/media/usa/motorsports/2020-ring-flyer.pdf
@mahlemotorsport3 жыл бұрын
Mahle build you ls oil expanders not to need to modify them to make them fit.
@stevenkirk25632 жыл бұрын
There should be a database on ring instructions online. ?
@excelerater4 жыл бұрын
Please see our updated Ring page, you can find instructions to download on the page. www.us.mahle.com/en/motorsports/performance-rings/
@mahlemotorsport4 жыл бұрын
@@mahlemotorsport Thank You for that link.
@seannot-telling98062 жыл бұрын
Helpful
@thembelihleduma5903 Жыл бұрын
Good good good
@engineering0074 жыл бұрын
why you dont use the fitting pliers? all manufactored want it
@gabrieleroveda7815 Жыл бұрын
Ring Pliers were used in this demonstration.
@mahlemotorsport Жыл бұрын
Sdv6 rebuild kit rings , con , main , seals , and 2 tested std cylinder heads . I want them .
@nzingokitsao811610 ай бұрын
You want to contact MAHLE Aftermarket.We carry pistons and rings.
@mahlemotorsport9 ай бұрын
What's the phone number to call, just got back my components from the machine shop and they for got to give me the paperwork that the piston kit came with want to make sure im putting the right ring in the right position. 3805ms-112
@chrisl25444 жыл бұрын
Hello you can contact us at 1-888-255-1942 EST and we are open 8-5 Mon - Fri
@mahlemotorsport4 жыл бұрын
At ~2:00min what bloody ring are you saying is coated.. explain better and people may not have to call you.
@Th0mJDM2 жыл бұрын
To clarify the top ring on most PowerPaks have a silver look to the outer edge, and the second ring is typically darker in color. A dot or and M signify the top of the ring.
Thank you mahle for the very informative video. I just purchased a set for my 377 build. I would add that I used to use convensional but good motor oil with zinc and diff weights etc. I got on the amsoil train on my last 3 builds, I must say I have learned a lot and am truly impressed. Not only did break in go better, but faster as well.
I used to think orienting the end gaps of the rings was overkill and that the random nature of their rotation would suffice, until we had a short block rebuild Mazda V6 that came back in time and again for smoke and it wasn't until the most experienced mechanic (a pom) on the FOURTH return for excess smoke, pulled the pistons out that we found the rings end gaps all lined up... Blow me down with a feather! I also had a 660cc yamaha single that had been rebuilt and used heaps of oil and fouled plugs regularly that I suspect was a victim of not orienting the ring end gaps (as well)
Thanks for the great information guys. I was curious about how much oil to put on the pistons, as well as which type. Very helpful, cheers.
Precisely what I needed. Thank you for sharing your knowledge
I just bought Mahle rings for my Peugeot 205. Thanks for the information as I'm installing them this afternoon.
Thank you so much on orientation of the gaps. This really helped a ton sir.
Awesome video. Very well detailed. “Congrats!”
I'm installing a set of Mahle rings for a 2002 Saab. The second compression ring has no markings except a paint stripe. Am I correct in assuming that this goes to the right hand side when viewing the side of the piston?
What do you think about Rotella T4 for break in on a 2001 Honda CBR600f4i?
Great info. Just re-ringed my LQ-4, and noticed the prior ring job hack. While I was comforted to see the rings were gapped .028/.030, but they were installed carelessly, one will all the oil rings aligned, several with the dot facing up, down, facing each other, just whichever way. And, the 1st and 2nd ring was directional. Happy to know I have the right ones in there now.
May I humbly suggest that any cast iron rings be warmed before fitting them as they are so easily broken, and so difficult to replace, sadly I learned the hard way.!
Can you use a moly fortified motor oil on start up?
what about piston ring one set have red and white coating on it I'm assuming it's top ring one
The "expander" is the oil ring? A 3-piece assembly?
Obrigado pelo comentário,tem algum vídeo para montar os anéis da Ford Ranger motor ohv 4.0 ano 1995?
excellent presentation. awesome job.
Great pistons
Buenas noches, mi pregunta es como verificó la originalidad de los anillos, ya que hay muchas copias en el mercado.
What if the ring 1 and 2 are keep getting stuck in piston and doesn’t move freely? There’s any fix for that or how do I fix that? I have 347 stroker kit.
Well explained!👏👏
Hello, great video, I have ordered new piston rings for a X20SE Opel and the oil scraper ring set has a dash of red paint on one end and a dash of green on the other. Are the two ends supposed to butt up or over lapping each other. ??
The paint is used to quickly identify the rings for packaging. There should be in instructions for the gaps to be set for these rings at a minimum. Ring butting or overlapping of rings can lead to a catastrophic failure of the piston. So they should not be butting or overlapping.
Well now I fully understand how to address rig gap
So the top ring has a chrome face and the second is black?
Do you not need to gap the rings specific to the block??? Surely this is a must with any engine build! I always use a feeler gauge etc to gap the piston rings to spec.
Yes
@@quidly259 if theyre not file fit. i wouldnt touch em. some are. all power adder/higher performance applications are for sure. but its application specific
for any change do you guys have mahle forged pistons for a 2001volkswagen jetta 1.8t and some high performance valves
Hi Alonso, we have pistons for the 1.8L Turbo, you can find all our listings here: www.us.mahle.com/media/motorsports/2016-app-guide-final-rev1-compressed.pdf
so have a ring black/with dimple/ mark E .... this is the bottom ring ? and i have a chrome ring with no dimple/ mark E .... this is the top ring ?
Chrome would be your top, the black would be your second. If it has a dimple or an E/M that side faces upward.
hello, this is an excellent video, thank you for this work,,, please I will change my connecting rod bearings on a mustang V6 ci 200 from 1966,, can you tell me the tightening torque of the bearings,,, thank you a lot
You would want to contact MAHLE Aftermarket to answer that question on bearings.
Very very handy video! I bought a set of the 41859cp rings for my 5.3 LS!
How do you know which ones top and which is middle?
Bought a set of Mahle Original 50785 rings. They had previously been taken out of the box and I am trying to find out which ring should be the 1st and 2nd ring. Both rings have a dot to mark top (up) of the rings. One ring is square with NO bevel and the other is beveled on the top (inside). Which ring would be the 1st ring and which would be the second ring?
Hi Jay, those aren't MAHLE Motorsport rings so I can't speak definitively to that, but I think we can get you going. Which way is the bevel facing? Also, the outside face of the top ring should have a gray/silver look to indicate the coating, that's another good indicator to differentiate the two rings.
OK, there is not distinct color difference as in your video. Both rings have dots on the top to indicate (this side up). Both rings have bevels on the inside ring edge. One has a very small bevel on the bottom side of the ring (opposite side of dot). The other has a larger bevel on the top (dot side) inside edge of the ring. Your help would be greatly appreciated.
I'm having similar issue with my Perfect Circle rings. One ring has a dot and chamfered on the inside top. The other ring has the word TOP on it and chamfered the same as other ring (inside top) I've heard/read that marks always face up, but chamfer s should oppose each other? Ideas? Thanks
Did not see if oil support rails were together at bottom or oil ring was between, why only stand piston up instead of showing? 🤨
thank you informative
Are those rings made in bore?
No, and to note most of our rings are file fit .005 over. The customer then files the ring down with the correct equipment to get the desired ring gap.
@@mahlemotorsport You've felt for a Janus Joke! Happy Sanctus-Janus Eve 2023! 🎉 🎇 ⚜ Pun : Those rings are bore ring!
Can the oil scraper go upside down?
No, the scraper is designed to face down.
I’ve seen so many people use so much crap assembling engines are used to use 30sae non detergent oil and hyper lube 50-50 mix so you’ve got your sticky assembly lube mixed with sae 30
Shouldn't the oil rings be orentated? My personal preference is first top ring at 12, and second one at 6. One oil ring at 9 and one at 3 o'clock. Spacer ring don't matter much... but then I'm no professional, just sayin.
This is our latest guide on ring installation and thoughts on ring gap for different forms of Motorsport. www.us.mahle.com/media/usa/motorsports/2020-ring-flyer.pdf
Mahle build you ls oil expanders not to need to modify them to make them fit.
There should be a database on ring instructions online. ?
Please see our updated Ring page, you can find instructions to download on the page. www.us.mahle.com/en/motorsports/performance-rings/
@@mahlemotorsport Thank You for that link.
Helpful
Good good good
why you dont use the fitting pliers? all manufactored want it
Ring Pliers were used in this demonstration.
Sdv6 rebuild kit rings , con , main , seals , and 2 tested std cylinder heads . I want them .
You want to contact MAHLE Aftermarket.We carry pistons and rings.
What's the phone number to call, just got back my components from the machine shop and they for got to give me the paperwork that the piston kit came with want to make sure im putting the right ring in the right position. 3805ms-112
Hello you can contact us at 1-888-255-1942 EST and we are open 8-5 Mon - Fri
At ~2:00min what bloody ring are you saying is coated.. explain better and people may not have to call you.
To clarify the top ring on most PowerPaks have a silver look to the outer edge, and the second ring is typically darker in color. A dot or and M signify the top of the ring.