Laura Jane Grace (w/ Jason Ellis) - Transitioning, Dysphoria, Selling Out - Jim Norton & Sam Roberts
2016 ж. 18 Қар.
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Jim Norton & Sam Roberts are joined in studio by Laura Jane Grace from the band Against Me! They discuss her new book, 'Tranny: Confessions of Punk Rock's Most Infamous Anarchist Sellout.' Jason Ellis is also in studio. They discuss her life as a punk artist with gender dysphoria, drugs and alcohol, her band's career, and much more.
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Oh man. I had a lotta respect for LJG before watching this - and an infinite amount after. It’s like the guys (and Jason especially) were trying to go down the list and tick off every single taboo and wildly inappropriate question that every fucking trans person gets asked on a loop: Asking about her genitals, asking about surgery, asking whether it’s just a mental thing, confusing gender and sexuality, FETISHIZING trans women, saying you’re not straight if you’re attracted to them, saying she’s so brave for coming out, asking if she’s always been a girl etc etc. and she fucking took every question on the chin like a mutha fuckin champ and answered with the grace and humility of a saint. She calmly educated when she could and politely deflected inappropriate questions without creating conflict or tension. Incredible, she’s such a power house. I don’t think I could have kept my cool if I were in the same situation and I like to think I’m a pretty laid back guy. Just, A+ Laura. Keep killing it you fucking rockstar you
Thanks for the heads-up on this interview being like that.
This is one of the best interviews LJG’s ever been involved in, BECAUSE of the people involved and the hard hitting, direct questions asked. She holds her own on the deep diving nature of their questions towards her and melds in seamlessly with the easy going/humour making nature of her and mostly Jason, Jim and Sams existence. This is my favourite LJG interview. Would love to see her and Norton interact more often, or see LJG invited on the “Hawk vs. Wolf” podcast.
idk I'm happy for them not knowing all that stuff because the only reason I know it is due to having experienced dysphoria myself. like her, i don't mind answering silly questions if it's a friendly environment and i can tell it's coming from a place of genuine curiosity. as far as the fetishizing stuff, i just see her being treated the way most women get treated. she is so amazing though and i love her so much, equal parts badass and beautiful.
Rockstars don't chop off their hogs
I understand what you mean but Jason Ellis is just being himself and Laura jane Grace deals with it like everyone should "he doesn't mean anything by it so don't make an issue of it" attitude, i really didn't understand trans etc but after watching this i can relate to it alot more so the questions were necessary really. Now i've got from this that Laura Jane grace is a women with a man's body, sexuality doesn't come into and neither does the body it's just the identity? I think we need to hear more about it even though i agree that the questions would probably grate at you if that's all you hear and i know this conversation was 4 years ago lol so please forgive me but its ignorance that causes issues
“i’m not supposed to be here this is not my show” and then like 30 seconds later “are you single? i’m super into you” like bro....chill
YES YES I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT im freaking out so much what the hell ajejdiwnrjnr
Gotta shoot your shot though
@@aceofpittsburgh as a presumably straight man, on a trans *lesbian*?
It’s called being direct. Neither of those things correlate with each other. He was honest about not being his show then honest about being into her. Just because you don’t have the balls to have game doesn’t mean it’s bad when someone does.
Anyone that listened to early against me should have seen her transition coming lol.
The comments section is so cringe worthy. Kinda like the majority of this interview. Good on Laura for handling it with dignity tho.
definitely lives up to her last name! lol
Jason is totally disrespectful throughout this interview. He added a really awful element to this whole interview. I love Laura Jane Grace, she handled him well, but she really shouldn't of had to.
I'm just going to say something. I've started to watch this about 5 times and have never made it past minute 2. And then I actually watched it and I found that although the first couple minutes are difficult to watch, that they more than make up for it and this is a completely respectful interview. Thank you. This was amazing to hear and watch.
ewww ewwww ewww literally opening the interview with sexual harassment.
Wow. That was an amazing discussion. I am somewhat new to Against Me. I knew of Laura's blossoming, but haven't watched any interviews, prior to this. Her energy was very even and she answered all the questions with great comfort. I think these kinds of discussions need to keep on happening. People are understandably ignorant and need to be educated. Watching this gave me a great respect for her.
Wow, I love KZhead.....you spend some time catching up on the new stuff from the channels you follow......then you unexpectedly find something quite spectacular, and it changes you. What a great interview! I laughed way out loud, I learned a few things, and I discovered some new really talented people.......I really enjoyed this, and I never watch anything longer than 15 minutes, generally. Thanks for the great stuff!
Saranne Fay which part? There are some really awesome trans videos on KZhead for those interested in the subject. Some really toxic ones, too, unfortunately..
I never heard of you until the backyard sessions. Now I can't get enough of your voice, you're absolutely fantastic. New fun here. Bless you xxx
Fan*
This is a really great interview. Jason Ellis in the beginning seemed like he might be too much, but I think it really works.
A lot of people are saying this interview is like- particularly disrespectful and tasteless, but to be honest- it's actually almost the most standard example of the experience of talking about being transgender with cis people. The guys aren't being intentionally nasty, they are just kinda ignorant. I'm not saying it's not disrespectful, at times it definitely is, but even 6 years later, this is still just what you get if you are transgender. Laura deals with it with a lot of, heh, "grace" and I think she comes off super well. Like, in basically any other context if you meet a girl, and within minutes you are asking questions about her breasts and genitals, that's called sexual harassment- but it's just standard fair for girls like us. It sucks and it's super tiring. You get asked the same round of invasive questions near constantly, have weird assumptions made about your sex life, and get objectified in a uniquely gross way- and if you ever lose your temper over it, everyone rolls their eyes at the hysterical overly sensitive tr*nny. The one plus side to the questions being so predictable is it's easy to rehearse humorous responses and deflections that make the person asking look stupid and less likely to continue pressing the issue.
The way She describes and drugs and Dysphoria....is perfect....personally weed and LSD calms me down and makes my body just feel like my own
She says shes single here, guess her and Beatrice broke up then, shame. hopefully she finds someone again that makes her happy.
3:23 STOOOOOPPPPP TRANS PEOPLE ARENT A FETISH
I adore Laura Jane Grace. She has helped me with some mental shit and been a huge influence on my love of music and art. She's dope as fuck and amazingly talented. Just wish I got to see her play in slc Utah soon 💜
god bless laura jane grace for putting up with those interviewers without punching anyone in the face
Lol.. like this liberal bootlicker would punch anyone.
she is not a liberal...
Yes she is.
she's said multiple times that she's still an anarchist..
Yes, she is.
Holy crap what a amazing interview.
If you're reading this, turn back now. Comments are cancer.
If you don't know Jason Ellis, this is his style this is how he is with a lot of his guests on his radio show too. He's just a direct honest guy
great interview
the comment laura made about a soldier having their genitals blown off and comparing that with gender disophoria was a neat concept.
Nick Mason it's pretty damn close
It don't work...
@@OrphansCorpse Open your mind bud
@@psychedeliccarrie5921 educate yours bud
"You're on the spectrum" lol
Whoever the guy with the head tattoo is sucks and I wish he'd stop talking. "I'm super into trans people" "So you became a woman so you're emotional? Because women are emotional right?" "There's no pictures of you naked!" Like dude, you're laughing, but she looks and sounds uncomfortable. She's likely only smiling to be polite. Learn to read people's reactions.
Laura your the best!!! I just lent my trans sister the book. She's loving it. Also this interview was interesting. I like the mixture of Jason Ellis wih Laura. I'm a trans woman but before I came out I came out as bi first and know his experience too. Obviously since I was actually trans it was a little different but being a gay/bi dude is also tough when your punk. Props to both of them. Also Jason you're way hot. Tone is down on hitting on Laura though. Although she is gorgeous! Wish you lived in DC. Hit a girl up :) Keep being yourselves and tearing the world down. Punk Rock for Life!!!
why the head-tattoed guy is so misogynist, like have you ever talked to a woman before?
Sam's laugh is so subtle and sweet.
24:41 What the fuck is he asking!!! I laughed really hard lmao
Old gag, big hands = big dick... he's basically saying that he thinks she has a big dick and wants to know if she tucks it
moco j I know I know but damn that isn't really a question you ask transwomen, even he kinds knew that! He was tripping up a little.
Noiz eh, I took it as him just trying to be funny. Don't see whats wrong with asking that question unless it was supposed to be intentionally malicious.
yea but her reaction though.. LOL..
moco j I dont think it was malicious it was just a bit of a silly question is all, it made me laugh.
Disgusting. Jason needs to shut his mouth. The amount of ignorance and disrespect is repulsive. You can tell Laura is uncomfortable with what's being said.
I suffer from general dysphoria...
same
"Black Me Out" by Against Me! is sooooooooooooo fucking good.
HOLY SHIT! I just realized where I know Jason Ellis from. YEH ELLO RECORD BIN. YEH ACOURSE WE GOT GNAR KILL THEY ARE THE ULTIMATE BAND
Jason really came thru in this interview.
His head tattoo is awsome.
A legendarily gross interview that acts as a textbook example of fetishization of trans women and general misogyny. It is damn near impressive. You'd almost think it's scripted to be a PSA on how not to act. Please never take this shitshow down, it is a masterpiece of educational content for anyone that wants to see a real example of this shit that happens every day.
Jason Ellis is a bit of a creeper here. Seems like a desperate guy, that doesn't get as much as he says he does. Did he miss the part where LJG said she liked women?
"Jason Ellis is a bit of a creeper here. Seems like a desperate guy" Says the person TRIGGERED to fuck in the comment section, lol.
I think if Stoogs read your reply he'd ask "Where are the funny people?"
That reminds me of a joke I once said Two homeless vampires walk into a bar 1 Vampire says "I'd like a coors light" Bartender says "That'll be $3" Vampire says "Shit, I'm homeless!"
Dude, you've commented like 47 times in this comment section, you seem to be the creeper.
i know right?!?? the beginning??!! like??!!
Jimmy said something funny! Holy shit!
2 Sam Roberts' walk into a bar 1 Sam Roberts' says "I'll have a martini" Bartender says "That'll be $5.67" Same Roberts says "Shit. I'm Sam Roberts" 2 Jim Nortons' walk into a bar 1 Jim Norton says "I'll have an irish coffee!" Bartender says "That'll be $7.87 Jim Norton pays with exact change
god that guy is being such a creep "take some more sips cuz here i come" . beevis& butthead laughing follows
I felt like he broke the ice. I feel like the creepy douchebag was more of a character he was playing, considering how exaggerated it was.
Laura is a fuckin goddess I'm trans and I would have decked those people with everything they said.
It's a jock show for jocks. Laura would have known what it was before coming in. Just part of the promotion. A different audience.
Jade Reynolds they said NOTHING bad, they were respectful, tattoo idiot was a lil cringey but i mean they werent callin her names or sumshit
freak
keep ellis with a guest spot. All maniacs and crazy/imbalanced people need friends too... for reals.
No thanks! The guy doesn't add anything, just tries to be a pervert because he can't get laid. Has to use his buddy Sam Roberts to get himself over, and even then he can't get laid
I love these clips. But guys please please do something about the loudness on outbursts you must be able to level that shit out with gain or something. It's so annoying.
Danny Dubord maybe the video feed is pre audio processing? Cause I know satellite radio is heavily processed just like FM. Those Orbans are maxed out...
4:47 , ok.. that was a very stupid question.
I'm not hating on her but I can't believe that I was listening to "Don't Lose Touch" in high school and that same male singer is now a transitioning female
You were always listening to the same person, but now she's being the person she is the most comfortable with.
Deadman yup, just the pronouns by dawg.
If I only knew one song id feel so awkward too. Smh
I am also bisexual.
Jason rock s
Like, Like like like I, like Like
I'm going to leave a positive comment. I did not know who LJG was until I saw this interview. I youtube'd Against Me! and am very impressed. Punk is my kinda music I'm a straight white male and I like LJG's "fuck you" attitude towards those who are judgemental. I can't claim at all to understand how hard it would be to be trans in the spotlight, but I respect it
BECAUSE I NEVER LEARNED TO READ
Here's an arguement Why does she sell seashells by the seashore? Surely sun lotion would be bigger bucks
It's expensive to be a celebrity. I couldn't do it. I guess you have to Value money over everything
It's a smiths song
great interview. Ellis needs to be on more. the new 3rd wheel?
I don't want to cringe everytime somebody who even vaguely resembles a woman comes on. *Sam Roberts brings on Betty White* Jason "Doing anything later? I'm DESPERATE"
*Sam Roberts brings on the corpse of Amy Whinehouse* Jason "Is she available? Look at her!"
Ellis is going to ditch his own show and staff, move from LA to NY to be 3rd mic? lettuce be cereal.
DontTreadOnUsBlog why would anyone live in NYC unless there is a real reason to be there?? Sirius could be anywhere. Their studios. I couldn't handle it.
I think the interview should have gone into Norton's humor abit cause he's definitely said some stuff that's non PC about transgenders
Servo Matador hey just a quick heads up, transgender is an adjective just like tall, short, fast etc. Just like you wouldn’t say “he said some mean things about talls” you wouldn’t say it about transgender folks either. It’s just a discription of a trait. Saying it like that is kinda like saying “the blacks” or “the gays”.
@@rivermoorhead1236 thank you for being an ambassador kind sir
Jason is more of a comedian than most comedians.
Good interview, but I wish Jason Ellis wasn't there.
Laura Jane Grace fucking rules. So does Jason Ellis. Anyone that knows Jason knows he’s harmless and non judgmental. This is just his personality and he’s pretty fucking awesome.
God damn I couldn't get more than 4 minutes in. Stop fucking hitting on her.
I thought Laura was married
Xe's band actually was pretty good. Saw them before that whole mess happened in like 2005.
This is so fucking cringy. I know it's from years ago. I feel bad for LJ though.
I love watching Jason embarrass Laura Jane lol
Jason Ellis- Be honest, you're not getting any are you? You probably have not have been touched in a very long time.
Ehhh I regret this, he's probably a good man that would laugh at my jokes 2 Jason Ellis' walk into a bar 1 Jason Ellis goes "I UNDERSTAND YOU, I"M BISEXUAL" Bartender says "That'll be $2" Jason Ellis goes "Shit. I'm JASON ELLIS!"
Boooo
Barf
It amazes me that feminist punk bands and feminist metal bands bitch and moan about how the metal and punk "community" are so misogynistic and exlude anyone that is gay and trans or female, but they just don't want to admit they are shit and no one likes the lyrics. Because based on this interview and a basic understanding (or just looking at pictures) of metal heads and punk fans that they can be the most inclusive people.
Yeah it's all bullshit, just like feminists infecting atheism, just like feminists infecting video games, there was never a real problem to begin with. If something like 5% of the total general population really DO have a serious problem with gay/trans/etc. people, then that same 5% or most likely BELOW are going to have the same problems with gay/trans/etc. people in communities like metal and punk scenes. Metalheads in 2016 are more likely to beat you up for being racist/homophobic than to be racist/homophobic themselves, the feminist outcry is delusional and creates more social tension than there was before.
The only thing they end up doing is make people annoyed with the women and gay/trans/etc people in the in those fandoms because they expect them to start picking up the rhetoric which sadly some often do (I can't stand talking to a lot of gay men anymore because lgbt spaces are nonstop feminist bullshit and they're starting to go after gay men) but there is also the influx of fake fans that just want to find the misogyny and so on so they can be victims. All the shit with Magic the Gathering lately is a fine example, the community was fine and there was a female base but it wasn't big so they suddenly decided to attract more females and in the process also went full feminist and screamed misogyny at everything. But sometimes their rhetoric and behavior do create the misogynists they claimed were already there because they brow beat them so much they finally say fuck you, like those mgtow guys. Some mgtow guys just want nothing to do with women anymore, but some turned into literal misogynists.
I totally agree. The far-left are making things worse for LGBT people while a guy like Milo Yiannopoulos, who is a total shit-heel and half of what he says crumbles under the slightest examination, gets a room full of supposedly homophobic conservatives accepting him with open arms. People like Milo and Blaire White are doing more for gay and trans acceptance than every far-left shithead combined.
I kind of like Milo just because he reminds me of the way that type of gay men used to act, bitchy, hilarious, and not caring who got upset while doing it. There are some things i disagree with that I've heard him say on podcasts but I honestly feel he is speaking more truth than most, it's just wrapped up in that 80's-90's bitchy bottom attitude that can piss people off. But I definantly have noticed I've been agreeing more and more with people on the right just because of how ridiculous the for left has been and the past election shows I'm not the only one. Theryn Meyer is another person doing more for gay and trans acceptance, she appeared on a TV panel debate with Peterson and those two did a 45 min discussion about actual gender disphoria to all the nonbinary astrolgender bs and pronouns related to that.
I like Milo, but his opinions (or the opinions he pretends to have) are often garbage. Similar to Gavin McInnes. And yet they're entertaining as fuck, I'd love to sit down for a drink with either of them and wouldn't piss it out on the far-left if it was on fire.
Besides the handful of inevitable pricks you get in every single walk of life the punk rock world would 100% not have cared about somebody coming out as "trans" or not, and would not look at that person differently either way. I know somebody who transitioned from guy to girl and to be perfectly honest nobody even mentions it unless the conversation is specifically about that subject. To me they are the exact same person they have always been in every single way besides looks. Sometimes I feel that people need to feel different or special in some way and hate it when others just accept them and don't make an issue out of a choice or a decision they made in life. Punk rock is made up of people who find it hard fitting in with "regular people". There are people claiming to be punk who are more judgmental than anybody on earth but for the most part and at the very core of punk we don't care and we accept everybody for who and what they are.
Jason has to be the biggest attention seeker on planet earth.
2 Laura Jane Grace walk into a bar 1 Laura Jane Grace says "I'll have a Pina Colada" Bartender says "That'll be $1,111,201.50 + tax" Laura Jane Grace says "Shit. I'm Laura Jane Grace!"
your comment made absolutely no sense...are you drunk?
Does this guy really still have an Australian accent after over 30 yrs of being in America? 😂 wow
Jim should just come out and say that this is a trans show now. God is this a far cry from O&A or what.
Tera Firma most of the trans women I know aren't whoreish, but I do like her personality. But transphobia _is_ nonpartisan, for sure.
Mark Whalberg transitioned?!
Thank fuck I have never heard of this band.
Your loss.
so when did humans have the DNA like the frogs from jurassic park? oh wait we don't.
Science can do wonderful things. I hear it can get your foot out of your ass
Wait... transitioned is wrong.. but the verb forms are ok? That makes no sense. And based on the fact cis was thrown out, something tells me she is starting to listen to the people shouting about astrolgenders and crap.
Tera Firma it's a little more complex than that. Some of us consider transition complete once we're living fulltime and have our identity documents changed over. Others won't consider that until final surgery is finished. But in a way, the body is always changing so in some ways, it's never complete.
I thought that dude was a chick.
No, He's a feminized male.
Nope, she's a transgender woman.
He was born a biological male. He will always be a male even if he decides to chop his dick off.
You can continue to be an ignorant asshat, but neither Laura nor I really care. Your opinion is just that, an opinion. And if you don't understand how gender dysphoria works, then that's on you.
Don't be shitty
Supposedly this person is famous?
the book title should be "delusional"
Guy Fieri writing an autobiography?
Wow, she looks so convincing. I would never have guessed that she was once a man. Ever. At all.
Wow, good thing she's not trying to live up to your impossible standards...ever..at all....
Jesus Christ loves you and wants a relationship with you, not a religion
this is just weird.. Looks like both sex's.. xD
Wait a minute, so he was born male , he he is attracted to women, so why does he think he's a woman? Maybe it's his price to pay to be a low-level celebrity
She thinks she's a woman because that's what her innate sense of self is. What does her orientation have to do with anything, a lesbian is still a woman.
@@ImVeryOriginal how does a he or she know that they are not the correct sex? How can one be positive that they were born the wrong sex and that they are a lesbian or gay? Why not just stay the same sex you were born and date the opposite sex like everyone else in the world? I do understand how most people are lost on this and many other issues. It's been a long very very slow process to twist the world inside out to wear a person thinks they were born as a transgender gay guy or woman and it be accepted and applauded . they don't show the regret that comes years later as often as they should but I'm sure it's no big deal to just switch back to the sex you were born. I mean hey, maybe we switch back and forth between Sexes right? anything's possible when Hollywood is leading the charge ! To answer your question, I don't think we are smart enough as humans, especially as a teenager, to identify ourselves as transgendered and gay. that is very close to being straight and staying in the body one was born in.. it's all spiritual at the end of the day
Do you believe in laws of nature? Or that we have some kind of natural Balance to this world? If not, then anything goes. But if you do, you would notice the incredible amount self evaluation and pinpoint accuracy needed to tell yourself that you are the opposite sex and gay. And to be a teenager making all these decisions. Would you find it odd for two men that were born as men to have sex changes to become lesbian women? It just doesn't make sense. I'm sure your goat Lucy can convince you but not me
@@joeturner9280 I can't understand what the fuck are you babbling about, sorry.
It's not rocket science: you are consistently attracted to the same gender instead of the opposite, you're gay or at least not entirely straight. You consistently feel like there's something wrong with your body and you wish you were the opposite gender, you are transgender. Read up on David Reimer, his life story is proof that human beings have an innate sense of gender regardless of what they're told or what their body looks like. Sometimes this sense of self doesn't align with the body they have, and that's how you get gender dysphoria. This has nothing to do with Hollywood, many cultures throughout history knew about transgender people and some recognized them as members of a third or fourth gender (Fa'afafine, Two-Spirit, Hijra, Khatoey, etc.), it's as old as humanity itself.
Sounds like a dude, looks like a dude. God help you if you say 'he' tho.
I agree, Jason Ellis does look and sound like a dude
Cause she's not a he, literally that simple.
A portly woman says this, surprise surprise.
GreenGearMood Yeah, because you're the type who likes skinny boys and clearly doesn't like curvy women. #closetcase
Julian Grant Hahaha that was the best reply ever. Tampon and dick-cheese! I'm not being sarcastic at all. It honestly made me laugh. 😊 🖒
The bible states in End Times that men will dress and be like women, and men would wear feminine garments.....the bible has been right every time but most are too dumbed down or indoctrinated to actually read it. Sad
3 female names and still a man