Renown & Dynasties Explained in Crusader Kings 3 (Houses, Cadet Branches, Dynasty Legacies)
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0:00 Intro & Summary
1:23 Renown Explained
13:47 Dynasties & Houses
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Trying to figure out how I'll pull these menus up on the ps5's clunky at times controls Still great videos
I just got a Herculean, Genius and Handsome heir in the 4th generation of my playthrough. That Bloodline Legacy IS SO GOOD!
You can take the decision to strengthen your bloodline in the decision tab, so you have higher chances to keep these traits and developping new ones. Try to get the last positive trait, which is Fecund, and you'll have a pretty good advantage. Fecund gives more fertility, so more renown because more living members of your dynasty.
Oh man mine was 5th generation, I focused on getting the Consecrated Blood trait on my 4th generation so had to delay for a few decades, still working on adding in Fecund to the bloodline but alot of these other families have terrible traits from inbreeding...
Meanwhile on the last generation my king got a kid with scaly skin who was originally going to be his heir.. luckily he ended up getting a boy later so she wasn’t the heir anymore but he ended up being melancholic and died at the age of 26 because of gout so his 10 yr old son took over wich ended in a few wars i normally wouldn’t win.. i felt betrayed so i cheesed it by swapping over to the ass that wanted war and having him surrender because i wasn’t going to survive his 6000 soldiers with my 4000 😂
@@litchtheshinigami8936 wow i didn't know u could do that to win a war (on non ironman i assume), but that's hilarious!
@@mr.murlock9780 In order to get good traits, you gotta marry worthy Lowborns. Nobles rarely have awesome traits. I know marrying lowborns is bad for your prestige, but a good trait like genious is way better than an alliance, which you can get marrying off your sisters and daughters instead.
The only thing I don't really like about the Renown system is that more often than not it just feels as a "win more" mechanic. I would've preferred if your prestige gain (which quickly becomes useless when you have thousands of Prestige) bled a bit into your dinastic Renown or part of it got converted when your current character dies, because having a big dick member in your dinasty should certainly make it more famous.
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Renown use doesn't drop so hard if you dive into the culture traditions. I feel it's a very good early-mid to late game use for renown
I thought it’s not by line of succession. But by those in different realms that give renown. I can be a count. And so can my brother. And I get the renown for 2 counts. But we are each other’s heirs, or at least close in the line of succession. For example
- At 8 minutes in, you are comparing "Claim title" (which only grants you an unpressed claim on a title) to "Revoke title" which actually gives you that title. The analogous thing to "Claim title" would be a fabricated title, which only reduces their opinion on you (and costs you time/piety from your chancellor not doing other jobs). - At 12 minutes in, your claim that your sons are not able to contribute to your renown regardless of his titles. The reason that this dynasty member is not contributing is because he is part of your realm (he is your vassal). If he was an independent duchy ruler, or a duchy vassal in another real, he would grant your dynasty renown. Him being your son or in your "direct line of succession" has nothing to do with it.
Well while you are already correcting him, at 6:50 he is saying that the prestige gain from the marriage is decided by the difference in splendor between families which is not true. Splendor only adds to the prestige gain which makes it more likely for the AI to accept and vice versa but the base amount depends on the difference in rank and standing. Duke marrying->count, 0 prestige gain base. Duke marrying->lowborn, negative prestige gain.
@@ruukinen how do you explain different negative prestige numbers then? I had combinations where I would get -100, -200 or -300. Not all were lowborn, so I would rather assume that he is correct on this topic
@@kingsgambit But then you'd be wrong since if you are a king you gain negative prestige from marrying a count. How about you actually check it in game. The only deciding factor is difference in rank. Being the son of a count is a different rank than lowborn even though technically neither has a title. For completeness sake now that I'm already here I should mention that second, third and fourth wives can't give you negative prestige.
@@ruukinen thanks! I misunderstood your first post, read to quickly
@@kingsgambit I think from what I've seen the actual numbers are +/-100 prestige per rank but in practice almost all non lowborn characters are from a family that has at least the first level of splendor netting you +100 so you can usually marry down one level to stay at 0. Basically if you are the same rank both characters should "gain" the same amount of prestige and the balance tilts towards the one marrying up.
12:45 afaik, Line of Succession doesn't matter, what matters is the vassal-liege relationship. if the liege is the same dynasty as the vassal, then only the liege's title counts towards renown increase.
These videos continually point out stuff I haven't really looked into enough. I didn't realize independent realms on equal footing with your dynasty head contributed so much potential renown. Let alone marrying into important other families. Neat.
Imo the strongest trees seems to be blood and kin, some of them seems only worthwhile for the first perk, as the cost increases quite a lot compare to what you get.
That's what I thought too, especially the blood tree allows for some crazy leaders. Why would I pick Law just to get some better control growth and opinion if I can get all the positive congenital traits which amount to more positive stat-boosts than all of the other trees combined.
Agreed, Blood definitely stands out as your first tree to unlock. It just makes more sense for the long term prosperity of your whole dynasty. Kin is second for more dynasty buffs and management of annoying family feuds. The third tree is finally more of a player choice as they lean into specific roleplay experiences that the player would want to focus on.
the only blood that i think seems weak is the +5 years life span, and that not because it aint good but because the cost is so high without giving something amazing compare to the kind one that is just insane
@@noxfelis5333 The third legacy in all the trees is weak. Pretty sure that was intentional, making the keystone legacies a little less desirable.
@@kythian do you need to get the previous legacy before going for the next one or can you leapfrog it when you have enough renown?
These tutorials have significantly helped me get the grasp of the game. Thanks as always!
I love that you always go straight to the video and don’t waste time with redundancies!
Love how detailed your videos are. Keep up the great work
Oh damn perfect timing XD Just when I'm looking for a video to watch you upload
Your CK3 videos are by far the most informative and helpful on YT! Keep up the great work, and thank you for your content!
As usual, another very useful tutorial ! Keep up the good work 👍🏻
Perfect breakdown, thank you
I'm still playing my 1' game on ck3 so i may be wrong but if someone wants to go for the "op family" with multiple legacies trees unlocked (without cheesing) it's better to go with the earlier start. I'm saying this because, after checking, i noticed that every single family in the 1066 start hasn't unlocked a single upgrade with renown so you are losing almost 200 years of renown. Also important to know that not all characters start with the same amount of renown, for example the recommended Irish duke in 1066 start with 110 while the byzantine emperor has 990 (which means that he can unlock the first upgrade in few months). It doesn't really matter if you are just roleplaying but if you go for the power fantasy you may want to think about this.
@transylvanian how many IRL hours did it take you to reach the end of the game? I have been playing one save for many days IRL (started as a count, grew to rule 2 empires) that started in 800's and i'm pretty bored by 1066. I have 2 empire titles and I'm so OP that no one can touch me (I've got 30k troops) and my realm never rebels because I have 100 dread at all times and I have broken up any vassals who had more than 2,000 troops so no one has a snowball's chance in hell at overthrowing me.
@transylvanian haha that's funny those are my two dejure empire titles too! Maybe this side of the world is just too OP. How did you deal with succession? Kill off your son's? Disinherit? Or roll with it?
@@alphaspartan how do you break up vassals?
@@alphaspartan and if you die?
Great guide !! and great comments too!!
The only trait my dynasty is passing down is drunkenness. I guess there's not much else to do in Iceland.
Incest
22:50 "A massive part of the game that the tutorial does not lend itself to enough." Yeah well, the tutorial doesnt lend itself to practically anything that can be considered a massive part of the game. Want to know how to attack your neighbor? Tutorial has your back. Want to know literally anything else about the game? LOL This tutorial was the longest tutorial of any game that I've ever played that taught me the absolute least about the game.
welcome to paradox games =P
Well it's a game where you will not get handfed everything. The gamemechanics are way to complicated to be put in a tutorial, find out on your own, try and error and if running into specific problems you have not encountered yet watch a tutorial. I'm having a blast with the game right now and it's working out better every run I do.
Yeah...but how else would you play a game for 6 hours before realizing you made a fatal mistake with your lineage and being forced to start over?
maybe because it wasnt intended for you. I always wanted to play ck2 but even after watching 2 hour videos i didnt understand because the video was touching on subjects that you dont immidiately need to know. Because of ck3 tutorial the game became very understandable very quick. After learning the game i started learning the "big parts" of the game.
If you're new, some renown can be gained from your domain from certain special buildings (university, temple, Palace of Aachen) which provide a percentage increase.
Great vid, thanks!
No problem! :)
This game is amazing!!!
good stuff
Hey sparty! Love the videos! Very helpful! Was wondering if you can do one to discuss tribal life? There are some things i'm just not understanding. Like where it says tribal life ignores development. Does that mean it doesn't make sense to have your steward work on growing development if your're playing as a tribe?
15:42 This isn't how house head & dynasty head positions work. House head position is just passed down to the heir through the generations. I think the dynasty head position is given to the house head of the house with the most powerful combined military strength (as opposed to the single most powerful house head). When I was emperor of basically half the world, I abdicated everything to my heir and started playing my heir, but because I didn't die, my (now father) was still the house head, and also dynasty head, despite being completely unlanded at this point, which is what makes me say this. It only went back over to me when I arranged to have him... _taken out of the picture._ Also, it is all about military strength, not titles or territory held. I often find dynasty head can bounce around between me and the head of the 2nd most powerful house during war time when my levy numbers get depleted & regenerate. If you start the game in a position where you're not house head and not in line to inherit it, and it would be difficult to murder enough people, then you will need to form your own cadet branch if you ever want a chance of being dynasty head. Starting as Count of Anjou in 867 is a good example of this.
I have been going through with Haraldr Finehair and really starting to click with the game. I like how even if you lose a war or get roughed up you can come back stronger. I suppose i could go back and play one of the major figures, but building up from one county has been a lot of fun. I love raiding Frankia and bugging out right when they raised their army. The only thing i find annoying is that during wars i have trouble determing which armies or allied or which ones are enemies or simply raiding through. It doesn't seem like i can click on an army and see who it belongs to or what it consists of.
Thomas Leaf yeah i also started from one county with my current dynasty and it was a ton of fun stomping some fools 😂
@@litchtheshinigami8936 Hover over the army and wait for the window to lock. Then you can see the composition of the army you hovered over.
Raiders are orange and have torches (they will still fight you so be careful), actually war enemies are Red, and allies are light blue. (And obviously you are green) And raiding factions are very strong because they can always just go get more money&prestige, the norse encurage executing prisoners, and being tribal you get 100% of levies vs a feudal dude only getting around 30% at best. (But feudals get way better succession laws and man at arms)
One thing to note about house head succession: it will always pass to your eldest son if landed, even if they are not your heir under an elective succession. (At least under the earlier gender laws available. Have not tested with equal or female preference)
this needs more upvotes. I'm the king of Ireland now and I lost the dynasty head perk (I selected my heir with elective), I assume I can't get it back now, right?
Legit picked this game up and played about 30mins of this and my brother got leprosy and died. Started again and he then murdered everyone in my court 🙂 so I killed him...yeah dynasties ain’t for me 😂
James Thompson meanwhile one of my heirs got gout randomly and died at the age of 26 luckily he did already have 2 kids
@pokezee king-wolf yeah some of the battle ai is really dumb and annoying.. i've had an enemy literally kite me around because the ai just crapped it'self
Very helpful ty for this! Cheers
Thanks a lot Spartacus! This vid makes it so much more clear than the ingame advice. Can you explain what cadet branches are, though? And if thats a good or a bad thing?
Great guide as usual! Thank you! Will you also do a guide on intrigue?
Yes in time for sure! I need to spend more time with it first
ItalianSpartacus that's great to know!! I'm still very in the dark over how the probabilities are calculated hehe
thx bro
No thank YOU for watching brother
12:45 Actually, I'd like to correct you here. It doesn't matter with the line of succession at all with the renown gain, you just can't get renown from Kings, Dukes, or Counts that are direct vassals. If you were to grant your hunchback son independence, you'd start getting renown from him even though he is in the direct line of succession. Honestly I think you should still get renown at a reduced rate even if they are your vassal, but thats just me.
16:09 I bloody love you mate
Love you too brother!
With 65+ houses and over 2.5k living members in my 4th generation (867 start)... the bloodline legacy is top tier. Pure bloods are inflitraing now on a larger scale as well thru my immediate fam, making the line OP.
It is worth more to land my family members or let them with nothing? Im starting as Bizantines so i have a few kingdoms myself and im an emperor with primogeniture and also head of dinasty and house.
Being duke by marriage gives you 80% of the normal Renown points, not 20% ;) And you dont get renown for your family that are direct vassals, doesnt matter that they are your heir.
@KrazyPieThief exactly yes :)
@KrazyPieThief In the case were my family members inherit kingdoms from my character and go independent, you also get increased Renown btw, because now they are independent.
Took a pause in my Mongolian campaign to watch this. My family is currently 259 living members and then another cadet branch with an unknown number. Is there a way to search all of the dynasties all on the same screen in the game? Watching your video to learn a little more.
This is an older video this is to do with the Dynasty Head using renown to claim a title from a family member. After watching the video, I tried this out with a daughter who is a countess. I claimed her title and was given an unpressed claim. I was surprised that she didn't turn it over to me but I guess I will have to use force.
Nice one Sparty! Will you be doing a video on religion?
That's next :)
Does this giude work for timetraverler looking to go back to the medieval time
Is there a way to merge Cadet branches back together? In my current run I took nearly all of sacandinavia, then one of my uncles took like all of central europe and it so was under my controll, fast forward some rebellions and uprising. Took all titels to me and gave them only to my fam. Now my dynastyhead changed so its not longer me and my house formed 7 cadet branches all scatterd in scandinavia and europe. And could someone tell me why the dynstayhead is some dude without troops or land and not me with the 4 king crowns?😅
Concerning houses and cadet houses. Can a child of a cadet branch create yet another cadet branch? What i mean is would it be cadet branch of a cadet branch or just a cadet branch of the main house dynasty?
I always do matrilineal marriages if possible. Gives me a free knight
Thx for sharing your knowledge of the game. I got a question :) I am playing as tribal and I am not able to create a new house branch. But I got a kid with the wife of a king in some powerful house and now he is in my tree. Will this benefit my renown points later on if he get any titles or will the other house get it.
Forgot to say he do have their house logo. So I guess it will not benefit me. Can I adopt him into my house in anyway?
I should mention that rulers of a dynasty give renown not based on succession, but on vassalage. For example, if your dynasty holds multiple duchy titles within a kingdom tier realm, but does not hold the kingdom title, you will get renown based on the duchy titles. However, if a member of said dynasty gains that kingdom title somehow, the dynasty will lose all renown gain from the duchy titles subordinate to the the kingdom title, and will only gain renown from the kingdom title. This is why dynasties like the Rurikids always have a large renown gain, because they rule multiple independent realms.
Any more information on how dynasty head is decided? I am king of ireland with more titles and holdings than the king of Denmark but he is current head of dynasty. Any idea how to overtake him
The game takes time to check certain parameters for dynasty head. After a few ingame months you should be back as head of the dynasty. Hope the other guy doesn't spend your renown in the meantime!
Another rocking tutorial :P but damn going to have to start again and use some of these tactics instead of killing my 2nd son with his brother to get his land back lol :D after my starting king died :(
OMG its the middle mouse button for moving in family tree 😭😭😭 thanks
No problem! In the newest patch I think they changed it to right click as well :)
I feel like they should hire you to work on CK4 to help with the actions and interfaces and show how they can be exploited or developed
Well that's a wealth of great information. I was laughing near the end though with your wife having the quick trait and you still passed on your hunchback to your kids. Spent your thousand on trying to breed the hunchback out of your family. Lol brilliant
So a question i have is: If your heir to the throne has bad traits and so does their first son, but I have a grandson from a deceased son who would be next in line to inherit the throne, would it be best to disinherit my heir to secure a better ruler? Or is there another option that is more preferential, although I will say that my current ruler is getting old and might not have time to do anything that would take a couple years to guarantee. If you are wondering who i am playing, I'm playing the Duke of Bohemia in the 800s start date.
I've done it and it worked out pretty well. Got a Giant beautiful herculean genius just two generations after making a decision like this. Just keep an eye on your renown. Disinheriting eats those points to buy legacy perks. I prefer forcing them to take vows with a hook (often fabricated) or murder plots if I have the sadistic trait. You can sometimes also get an event on a hunt where you can decide to kill them after you discover they killed a local peasant
How to create new cadet house from old one?
Damn I don't understand... I'm playing as a chieftain from Poland. I created quite big empire and have a kingdom of Poland, Greater Poland and Lithuania. I see that as soon as I will die kingdom of Lithuania and Poland will be passes over to my brothers and I will only inherite my kingdom of Greater Poland. How can I prevent that? Also when granting lands should I keep everything in the family or give to Counties and baronys to my courtiers and champions?
How do cadet branches form? And can you do a video on hooks? I always end up with a lot but don't really know how to get the most out of them.
Hooks are good for recruiting people to your court, you can take a perk in one of the trees to basically sell it back to the person for money, etc.
Aside from getting an awesome alliance through marriage that you wouldn't otherwise, or recruiting someone with a high skill for your council, taking Golden Obligations in the steward lifestyle has been by far the best benefit for me. If I get a good spymaster and have a few wars and take a lot of noble prisoners, I can get a pretty steady 500-1000 gold per year extra just from one perk, and it's the first I. The tree. Even if you change lifestyle the first chance it's worth it just for that in the early game. You can use it to build up, or get a couple mercenary bands to get some land from stronger neighbors without a bunch of alliances. If you want to roll an intrigue ruler you can use hooks to get more agents on your murder schemes as well.
@KrazyPieThief The problem is not everyone actually makes any money. People with land and titles basically have an income, and everyone else doesn't. So you'd want hooks on people with their own chiefdom or some dukes. The regular champions you often capture, or random women aren't worth a lot for doing much, unless their in the court and you want to do some murder plot or something. So you use it more often for recruiting someone without a war, because if they're in your dungeon, you can just recruit them anyways. As for 'recruitment', there are actually much easier ways to fill out your ranks and council than hooks, just marry the people in your court to better people in what you need at that time. Example: You have a champion with 12 prowess, as long as he's a champion and has job, he sticks around, but unless you give him land (vassal), he won't bother marrying anyone. So, you only have a steward with 9? You live in a place with a religion that has gender equality? Marry him to someone with 24 stewardship. Boom, you just got a new Steward, and 'if' you get better champions, he'll probably stick around because his new wife has a job on your council. Free officers. They just tend to be lowborn. Even with female courtiers in a male dominated society you can do the same thing. Matrilineal marriage, marry them to some guy with a high prowess that just happens to be lowborn, boom, new knight. You can also do it for 'breeding' purposes if you want. Man, I have a champion with Herculean and he's 45, I really don't want to marry him to any of my daughters because they're not old enough yet, and betrothing them takes a while and he could die before then. What's that? A random lowborn women with robust? Married. Now they can have kids, and if they stay at court (he has a job), those kids become courtiers to you as well, meaning you can educate them, and marry them into your family for the traits later. :)
I wish I knew how to end was within my realm on console
There is a glitch right now that in some cases every house in the game has the same reward. You can check this by going through each house and seeing under the prestige the little green crown (not sure if always a crown) and it's for everybody
John Cream yep also one where kids that used to be sickly can just randomly die of “natural causes” like no if the kid is healthy he shouldn”t just die
As others have pointed out, your Duke son won't earn renown because they are not an independent ruler. As your vassal he can not earn Renown.
I have a problem. I started the game as a female ruler with no children. She had a bunch of kids with her husband, but they were in his house/dynasty. By the time I reformed my religion to allow female succession, she was 66 and could not have any more kids. Am I basically fucked? What do I do?
Yeah , you're pretty much fucked xD
It seems like the only way to be able to form a Cadet Branch is to lose in the game because how less the army strength you have, how lower in the house rank you are how better the chance to form a cadrt branch.
yo do you know how i can become the dynasty head again without having to murder anyone? i used scandnavian elective to elect my genius second son as my heir but i didn't get the dynasty head title, it went to my older brother and then to his children, and im more powerful than him! is there any way for me to become the dynasty head again without having to murder him and his children?
hmm i believe it goes to the oldest and most powerful but it still should default to you if you're the most powerful. wait a bit, it might happen over in a bit of time! :D
im probably just gonna try to marry his oldest son to a genius woman and hope for the best, and then im gonna elect his son, who is going to get dynasty head
I went here because of this question, and it didn't get answered. Do cadet branches get the dynasty skills? And can they buy their own perks? I guess I gotta test it myself. :C @edit: for those who are liking this comment, I can only assume you have the same questions; The answers are: yes/no. As the house head you can, however, disinherit people from your cadet branch. But that's basically it. C:
Ok, thanks, that helps answer!
"game know game" hahaha
4:30 You get a 25% increase in renown. 20 of 80 is 25%. Edit: Or you don't get a 20% penalty.
disinheriting doesnt remove them from your family. only line of succession
Hunchbacks have rights too!!!
BTW the word is *Breakdown*
The entire Dynasty Legacies mechanic seems a bit artificial. How exactly are they influencing which traits get passed on? Genetic engineering?
@ItalianSpartacus I can't find any info anywhere, but I need to ask: are there Crusades and Great Holy Wars in CK3?
Yes
Yes!!! Tons. The Pope can assign a crusade, and you can issue a holy war against the opposing faith
Can you become dynasty head from a cadet branch?
I believe so, yes!
Wouldn’t it depend on your succession laws? Like if you have an elective law, anyone from any branch could end up holding the primary title.
Is this game better than CK2?
They shold put family rival with other family for fight for power
Got this on the game pass for a pound and i played some dude created kingdom of Brittany then my son Ragnor killed his brother 1 year old 😂 now I’m depressed and my son is hated by literally everyone and here’s me considering killing him but then I died then played as him to only be hated 7/10 couple dlc should make this game smoother
Mr.CrowGamer agreed there are a few bugs and glitches i noticed like how one of my kids was born sickly wich he got over at the age of 3 then about a year later he randomly died like he was healthy again so how did he die.. i checked the skull and it said natural causes like what... bullshit he wasn’t sick anymore so why did he really die ?
Wait is this Binging With Babish?
... Tell no one
This game is has some insane events 😂 my daughter who is the heir murdered my beloved badass wife like wtf😂😂😂
Why does Paradox STILL have such a fucking hard time with informing people how to properly play their games with a tutorial? Such a lazy lack of effort in that department... 🙄
quite honesty, i don't think it's that bad. think about it in this way: either short and incomplete tutorial (which you can go through fast), or a complete one (but long and overwhelming). And I don't see opportunity for it to be both informative enough and short.
Currently sitting on 20+ renown a month in my 2nd characters lifetime. Have 227 living members, 1 emperor, 3 kings, 8 dukes a tonne by marriage but it gets crazy with the royal court artifacts, monolith baron building, universities and some special buildings that give % increases on your renown. As long as a family member owns one of these buildings it gives a 5% increase, if they can become king and you spam out renown artifacts you can send them the extra ones and when they use them in their court it adds to your renown again. I’ve been able to disinherit 12 kids as an emperor whilst also finishing the blood and doing the first 2 in kin lines to give them all better education along with a university to send my heirs to all on Ironman mode. Know it’s a bit late but consoles have recently gotten a new expansion
Started as the king of Scotland in the early playthrough and married a Viking to change culture, taking UK, conquered most of Europe and made a new religion before dying, son took over without a fight and consolidated enough land for Carolingian borders decision before becoming Norman to take it, conquered all holy sites and became pope to start holy wars and have taken hispania, Arabia and most of upper Africa and have destabilised the Byzantine empire to the point of collapse before invasion. Trying to restore Rome to its glory before taking the decision whilst also making my religion global and my godliness known to all lol.