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GREAT video unfortunate that you used the "boring" pun credits you had this year in the first quarter... hahahaha keep up the great videos
hey! awesome! Thanks for take the jump for me haha@@jesperwall839
We here at Formula Kentucky would like to thank Brandon and Machine Time for machining our uprights this year. They do amazing work and their generosity helps us more than they can imagine. Generous people in the community are what allows us to succeed and we couldn’t be more appreciative.
Best of luck! If you see MSOE on the field, give them my best as well.
Thank you for reaching out to these wonderful talented gentlemen. You helped make a really interesting video.
It was our pleasure! Let's get that car to Michigan!
I could immediately tell from the thumbnail that this was an FSAE upright haha. Nice to see something from my college days.
Good stuff
As a member of an FSAE Team from Germany myself I have to thank you so much for doing this. Without people like you our cars would be nothing but a 3D model and a dream. Really appreciate the work you do. Take care
Agree!
Nice, I‘m not the only one watching from Germany.. I wish my University would do something similar…
@@Simoxs7You are most definitely not the only viewer from Germany!
Agreed
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Everyone needs to pause at 6:25 to appreciate this Calendar. It's hard to pick a favorite between "Book Sniffing" and the recurring "Pretend To Be Napping". 😂
Chamfer the Pillows
Water the driveway is my favorite
How did the clown shoe fitting go?
Walking the Chickens at 7:15, way too early for me!
Counting to 437,692 is easily the most productive part of his calendar, someone has to do it and its clearly in good hands.
I'm recovering from a stroke right now, and can't get out in my shop. Your videos are keeping me sane, and helping me imagine getting back to work. Thank you!
I read that you recovered from a stroke and was unable to get out from your shop. Had me seriously worried for a good thou of a second.
Stay positive and keep up with the physio once you can get to it. You can callous your mind ready to pick up where you were before. Get well soon from the United Kingdom :)
Its been almost 12 years since mine and the best things I can say is yes you will get pretty much everything back if you put in the sweat and as mrnobody stated keep up on the therapies (dont forget to take the rest periods). The one thing I never got back was my referencing. Its like knowing every single person in your township, their names, addresses, occupations, etc. but then losing the index book then having to go find that one guy who knows how to do that one particular job. Its all still knocking around up there and you can see the face and street address and such but for the life of me I cannot remember the guys name!
Sending you love and prayers from Canada 🇨🇦.
I think I speak for us all in saying we hope you get better soon!
I think the real lesson here is the importance of networking and maintaining relationships. Great work on all counts.
Very true indeed
Struggling to grasp why you think that's the "real lesson" of this video? Not saying it's not important, but that's really not the key takeaway by a longshot. Did you watch the entire video?
@@JTMarlin8the beauty of these Videos is there is always more than one takeaway, could be keeping connections to other likeminded people, the "dont let not having a cnc hold you back" ot "get into your own shop and do something" its really no limits
Stunning level of manual machining.
thank you 🙏
Exactly. It wasn't even his main job before and he is better than some folks I know that have been doing this daily for 20 years.
I am part of a Serbian FS team, and we JUST finished our upright, and this video drops, insane. Thanks for a great video!
Ha! What a small world!
Outstanding work
"Spreadshirt", "Adhesive Portal", "Yoga with Zebras", "Water the Driveway", "Clown Shoe Fitting" LMAO But somehow the funniest of all of these is "Chamfer the Pillow"
MUST. CHAMFER. EVERYTHING!!!!
99% of the time I have no idea what you are talking about as I have never touched a lathe but I love watching your videos. Your sense of humour and your attention to detail are brilliant.
Get started with this old tony's videos and also blondiehacks metal lathe tutorials, even if you don't use a lathe, they are great videos
@@towzt I watch Blondiehacks every Saturday
Give it time. You'll have a lathe before it's all said and done 😂 especially if you're watching Quinn and others too. thanks!
@@InheritanceMachining i have a lathe but no time, any advice on that?
Very cool concept of your video today yes CNC machines can make parts in no time but there is the setup time to consider and if someone needs more than one or two of something it is better to go with the CNC machines but if it a one off item then the older Manuel machines is a better idea
It really blows my mind what complex geometry you are able to create with manual machines! We never did anything remotely complex in machineshop classes, really wish we did
oh i drool over the stuff they used to have to do before CNC. impeller blades and such 🤯
@@InheritanceMachining We went to the moon with manual machining after all
Break it down to simple shapes and figure out how to hold the part firmly and accurately to complete your next step. It will take some time for you to see how you would accomplish this kind of task but it can be done and you'll learn a lot along the way. Next to the knee mill the bandsaw is an important tool. I remember making adaptor flanges for a transmission shop, drilling 0.750" holes through the 11" block and brazing a 0.625" blade through the hole. Then take the block and blade and install it into the bandsaw, 9 hours later you have your exterior hogged out shape ready to be sliced and finished in a jig mounted to a rotary table for your mounting surfaces.
I can't imagine the level of concentration you have to maintain over 23 machining hours, knowing that the slightest error could junk this part. You have my highest appreciation of the machinists art!
I'm getting cold sweats remembering trying to mill an FSAE upright on an ancient Emco F1 CNC training mill using a Windows 95 version of MasterCAM and drip feeding it over RS232. We quickly gave up and cut them from foam for an investment casting, which also didn't work. I ended up welding them up from steel tubing.
Never underestimate fabrication. The first thing I learned about welding is how devilishly strong good ones are. The second thing was how bad ones can sometimes sneak up on yout.
If wes is watching brandon, who is making dry dad jokes in his shop?
26:18 I like the sticker "DO NOT" :D
Member of BYU FSAE here! This is our first year back in the competition since a win in 2012, and fully electric this year! CNC uprights are our last part needed for suspension
Are the electric cars pretty fast?
That is quite the absence! I imagine they are even more complicated with the EV. Good luck to you guys and welcome back!
A great video and a good looking result. This shows exactly why manual milling tends to be used for one-off parts, but CNC rapidly pays off as soon as you add repeats. Which is good because with the cost of CNC machines, tooling and software, you need to be running through a lot of production to start getting your money back.
Thank you for your time that you donated to that cause. As a machinist of 34 years, I must say I truly enjoy watching your content and honestly have picked up a few good ideas. The saying never to old or proud to learn. If you think you are then it's time to give it up. Thanks for all you do my friend. Prayers and thoughts.
Just gonna lay this here and see if it gets picked up. For the rotary table and maybe even the corner rounder... Rotary DRO. Good stuff, nice to see something that looks like it was CNC'd come off the manual machines. Crazy nice
You made me stop the video and look. There is a company with “High performance linear metal tape, glass gratings, and rotary glass scales”. Assume the rotary glass scale is what you would be looking for to do this
Could work, but you could also use a rotary encoder depending on the creator's design and electrical and electronics skill. @@richtes
I was thinking about this the whole time! I actually installed a rotary encoder on my rotary table (I've got a video series on it, if you're curious about how I did it). I can't help but wonder if it would've saved time.
I'm 90% sure that your video series was the one I saw and was referencing, it's a small world sometimes lol. You did a great job with it and I'm saving your videos to use as a reference for later. I hope it's still working well for you. @@fna-wrightengineering @richtes this is the guy that posted some great videos on the subject if you want to learn more about rotary encoders. They're also used commonly with servo motors for exact positioning.
I too, participated in FSAE, albeit the hybrid version. I can remember knocking those parts out, working to optimize each component of the vehicle, one of the most amazing experiences I've ever had! Thanks for sharing this with us!
Cal Poly Racing Baja SAE member here. I had no idea it was even possible to do parts like that on manual. I especially appreciated the explanation of climb vs conventional milling. Great video!
Dude, your videos are such a perfect mix of informative, tutorial, satisfaction, comedy, and humility. Love your stuff, thank you for making it!
My pleasure! Thanks so much!
What a wonderful treat to wake up to! Awesome video concept, great execution as always.
😁 Thanks!
I'm a cnc mill guy and I love watching the manual machining channels. I learn alot of different ways to process parts. I recently found your channel. I am definitely a fan.
This was a good one! I started an apprenticeship as a CNC op about a year ago, pretty much thanks to you! Fun to see that you can still compete on the one-off parts!Cant wait to build up a garage workshop :)
I gotta say.... The "bounce" as you are 'holding your parts' absolutely killed me. :D
those bits are heavy!
I immediately recognized the finished part in the thumbnail, as I was the one for two years to design this exact piece for my team's racecars! All of those are only driving around, because many generous sponsors manufactured A LOT. Greetings from Germany!
I appreciate the effort into the video and respect your humility to the fullest. Well done man, looking forward to more works of yours.
Fantastic build - not surprised by the outcome. Your summation is exactly right.
That macbook open was unreasonably harsh for a device made by a company that prohibits repair ☝️🤓
What you said at the end of the video is correct. And now you can understand, why there a manual machines in prototyping a common thing till today. You will always need manual machines. And the better you know them, the better will be the outcome. As always a really good video. 👍
Top-notch video, Brandon. I think you made really good time with your manual machines, and the results are spectacular!
Wonderful to see a true craftsman at work
Super cool as usual! I learned a lot from your channel! Cheers!
Thanks a lot, man!
@@InheritanceMachining No, thank you! I know how much work these videos are to produce
You are definitely the most entertaining stepper motor on 2 legs i know😅...great video and great learnings
Excellent video, I never cease to be amazed by what can be achieved with simple machine tools, all kudos to the operator of course.
Nice job - and very interested to see the manual versus CNC comparison. Hats off to you for supporting the FSAE folk.
Don't forget what happened to John Henry! :P
Came here to call this the modern day version of John Henry.
Yea, but John Henry was a Steel driving man!
As someone who regularly holds un-ground drill bits in a collet, I'm offended you made me feel like I've been cutting corners all my life lol 😆
no no haha it was a .272 drill so too big for the 1/4 collet and too small to get the 3/16 to bite. I would have skipped the grinding too!
That video is a great video. That's a very educative one. Your solutions with the rotating table are awesome. The details for finish are top. Certainly one of my favourites. Keep on this way 👍🏻
Great video, that was a fascinating project by all means and so complicated by my standards. Enjoyed, cheers!
14:00 I've also found that sometime climb milling will give a better finish because of the direction the chips will take out of the cutter, however, I only take very small cuts due to my inexperience, and the small power of my very small machine. =D conventional milling can put the chips back under the cutter and cause vibrations and other problem with having to re-clear / recut the chips... granted you also have flood coolant helping clear the chips as well. And the CNC probably has coolant running out of the cutter, so yeah... Happy Friday!
I was always told it was because there was a positive engagement on the cutting edge, as opposed to conventional milling contacting on a rounded surface. Still, it only matters if the machine can handle it, so I get why some people dismiss it out of hand.
exactly! I didn't mention it but something that I've found helps is snugging up the table locks a little bit (assuming the push on the gibs) adds a little resistance to the situation preventing the climbing!
When I first started practicing machining on a table top Jet 15 bed mill, I learned the concept of climb milling. Especially when the machine has definitely seen better days. I had one bad experience with a carbide endmill that my dad gave me to use since he had an endless supply. I was cutting a plasma cut edge and no less climb cutting it, unbeknownst to me that was a bad idea until it detonated at the tips.
I'm a CNC machinist / programmer who learned as is still learning on the job (no previous experience at all). I've learned a lot from your manual machining and have a ton of respect for the precision and forethought you put into your work. Thank you for this.
2 days on CAM programming is outrageous tho. That's 1 hour job tops. Same for 6h of proofing but I'm more forgiving about everything else. How are they making any profit? In total that's maybe 4-5 hour job tops, if you watch tv shows while working.
@@kasparsjansons9220 Was thinking the same. Its a great video and all but 3hours machine time cant be right. That part is made out of aluminium max 30 minutes machine time and i am generous here
@kasparsjansons9220 if we assume that they only recently received a new machine, and people are not yet accustomed to its capabilities and limitations - it really could take a couple of days. But yes, after a month of hard work, you usually already do such things automatically, and you get quality that is an order of magnitude better than on a manual machine) I would like to see a comparison on scanning equipment of both parts to see real deviations from the drawing.
We've still got guys at work that roll like this. Give them the right kinda work and they kill it.
I watch and follow alot of machining channels and videos on on KZhead but for some reason your videos are just so likeable compared to others. Keep them coming.
CAM toolpath 12 hours ? No way. It's a relatively simple part even on a 3 axis machine. Craig needs to step up it's CAM game :) "Carefully verifying each toolpath for 6 hours" means just to set up stock and run a simulation. 30 min tops.
😂 to be fair to Craig, he's not a full time programmer. He runs Machine Time. He admitted to me his full time machinists could probably program in 3 hours or less.
you must be crazy to think u can program that part in 30 mins, even experienced machinists would most likely take 4 hrs plus lol
@@Michael-CrossRead my comment again. "Carefully verifying each toolpath for 6 hours"
@@Michael-Cross If they need 4hrs plus its clear that they are not as experienced as you think. I think 2-3hrs is max for this part to program.
A well experienced programmer-machinist will have a process plan and start the programming. After they have the first op or at least a decent amount of run time programmed they'll set up the CNC machine and start cutting chips. Then go back to the programming and program and machine concurrently. In bigger places with separate programmers who almost never machine most programs are done completely offline. No offense but that's not more than an hour programming time. You just aren't that experienced to know how and what can be done by very skilled CNC programmers. All of a manual machinist's time is at the task at hand. Also cad/cam systems verification modules suffice for most programs and certainly this part. So there's no need to actually tiptoe through the first part. Then run a "good" part. The first part should have been a good part unless the program was incorrect. The main takeaway is that for relatively simple parts or where the openness that a knee mill gives, CNC is more efficient. Also remember you are looking at a high skilled true machinist vs. a skilled but unfamiliar CNC setup person. Very good video which shows what it takes to manually machine a cad designed part.
This is some discovery channnel level drama. Really felt like i was watching my favourit shows from decades ago. love your stuff sooo much!
FASE! If it was a discovery channel drama it would have a whole lot of unnecessary drama and tension edited into lol.
@@MorRobots Yeah, it had a lot of drama edited into it and it was fun, are you sarcastic?
That was a cool project. Thanks for sharing.
Incredible machining. What a great part and video.
I've been in the trade since the summer of 2018, 99% manual machining. I just got a job offer for a globally competing CNC shop which are training me to learn CNC, starting next month! Next huge step in my career and passion. I love the work you do with the beautifully engineered parts/videos you make, crammed with knowledge. Especially showcasing the capabilities between manual and CNC machining in this video. Much respect for everyone in the industry with a drive for education. Much thanks from Canada
No Offense to anyone who started out directly with CNC but this is in my(biased) view one of the best ways to learn, on any CNC Machine you don't get as good as a feeling of what noise and chip requires what forces, whilst at the manual machine you can feel all that quite good. Especially 5 Axis machines do math the Machinist usually does not fully understand, let alone could calculate themselves in a feasible time frame. With Manual machining you need smarter ways than using a high power Computer to solve it for you. Running CNC Machines totally makes a lot of sense in 95% of the cases, but knowing the old school stuff is something that should not be easily abandoned.
@@idontknow31212 Im a student machinist right now, and for the entire first year we only did manual machining! really helped out imo
13:00 I have a complete manual machine with absolutely no dials (broke years ago), no DRO, and no power feeds. . . so this method is extremely wrist/elbow friendly. I love letting the tool and part do the heavy lifting *sic*. Just remember to factor that backlash in and imagine it like a handsy date trying to rush things and everything is manageable!
Loved this one. It really shows me that I can try much more complex stuff on my old manual machines.
Incredible work. Machining-wise, and editing-wise. Well done!
Seriously, no chamfering? 😢
Good job, im actually impressed you two foto finished (trying not to spoil too much here). Now as you said, for 1 or two parts manual might be fine, but on a complex part like this cnc is usually always faster. Especially if you leave away the first stage of him making a prototype part, wed never do that even for 100+ series of parts. Plus switching milling machine and tools basically negated almost every benefit he had from making a prototype part. Even making the other parts is just mirroring the toolpaths and a few adjustments here and there. If you have a proper model of your machine then you can just verify within the cam software that you got no collisions and start of right away :)
Thanks! Craig mentioned the Mori's have a digital twin of the machine they can use to verify the program won't crash something.
*photo finish
@@watsgoinonhere1 cant say that in past tense.
Like a 3d model of the actual real machine right? Or Just for the work area?@@InheritanceMachining
Not to mention the improved finish and tolerances of CNC. A CNC mill that's measuring for tool wear, probing bores, and chasing .00005" just can't be competed with by a manual mill.
I Love the nod to the future and sound reasoning why cnc and cad are dominant but...... hands on old school will always own my heart. Big respect for the help you give the formula Kentucky as well!
Well demonstrated team! Thanks for showing the skills! Nice.
Best machining channel on KZhead
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NEVER underestimate a manual Machinist, great job.
Amen! Thanks
As a member of the formula student team in Linköping Sweden this is really cool to see! What you people and companies do to support us is nothing short of amazing! Loved the video as usual, especially the mountain of chips at the end! ❤
Awesome video as usual. Great to see you being a realist about the speed of subsequently cnc produced parts.
Thanks. The proof is hard to deny in this case haha
Necking down that ball mill - sneaky sneaky! Regarding manual machining - CAD makes you lazy in a way that adding complex features are very easy, and machining them is very hard. Where cnc really shines - banging out part after part after part.
̶C̶A̶D̶ ̶ CAM simply removes the limitations imposed by outdated technologies. It's the same as saying "planes make you lazy, instead of walking 1000 miles, you just read the newspaper in your chair for a couple of hours."
@@deadcxap755 what did that supposed to mean? You still need to design parts that are manufacturable.
As a civil engineer, I get a lot of pleasure in your problem solving. Having the ability to break things down to first principles (and I am reluctant to say) you are geared for engineering. Well done Logistics is always the root cause or the compounding factor to solve any issue.
I love seeing projects made in previous videos popping up in newer ones, such as the precision machinist jack at 17:45. It's like this chanel's version of product placement or cameos.
Great seeing the machining comparison . Good luck Team Formula Kentucky.
Great work @ both "shops"......I like the comparison approach you implemented in this video. It is a great walk through comparison . I would watch several videos taking this approach.
I'm very happy you mentioned the difference in making a second part at the end. Repeatability is the beauty of CNC! Still, amazing you were able to tie with even just the first part.
Great video and breakdown. We have a machine shop at my work and I have a small hobby CNC machine and home so I get to see them both being used and they each have their place.
Fun to watch, and gives very good insight in manual and CNC production.
i really liked seeing an actual production part being made in the shop^^
You are an important cog in the history of crafting as the bright stars before you, thank you for holding up a legacy and preserve knowledge!
Absolutely love you putting the weights as well as the time taken.
that's what it's all about!
The return of the rotary table! It's so satisfying watching 4-axis machining done manually like this
What a wonderful episode! I have zero experience in this field, but can almost smell the machines(!), thanks to your great work. Bravo.
love it when you put a new video out
love the vid made me apreciate cnc even more , and learned alot from manual work
thanks! as Craig told me, both ways hard. It's all hard!
Just found this channel. Amazing work!🙌🏼
Fluid mechanics, heat transfer and thermodynamics, I knew there is another reason why I love your channel
Great content once again! I'm also glad that you showed your hands operating the mill. It might be obvious to you, but I think a lot of wievers would like to see that hand - machine - relation.
Holy moly what a race... Thanks for let me know that people like you exist in the world. Absloutely amazing to watch
The skill you demonstrate is next level, really puts my silly projects to shame but i'm learning. Thanks for taking the time to share this with us. Also I look forward to what you are going to do with the wavy endmills.
I still need to find a way just to hold onto those monsters 😂 I appreciate it, man. We all gotta start somewhere, but I'm also a bit of a glutton for punishment!
@@InheritanceMachining I am learning a alot from your videos so keep punishing yourself lol. Take your time, i know you are busy.
I'm just a bodger with a mill and a lathe, but I love seeing what can be done by people who know what they're about. A CNC mill seems to be the ultimate machine tool, but as you've shown, for making one or two parts, the older machines are just as good. And, for hobby-machinists like me, one part is usually all that is wanted. Keep up the good work.
Awesome comparison! Can't say that I ever remember another video detailing the pros/cons of manual vs cnc.
Sir Craig is a like an ideal boss to have as an employee.. he seems a good person.. wish i could be a part of his beautiful company.
Thanks to you and Machine Time for doing things like this. Having competed in FSE myself, i know how much teams depend on people throwing in their time and money without really getting much in return. We, too did our first wheel hubs in CNC back than. Second season, we partnered with a team from our university to cast the parts ourself. 3d printing done beforehand, doing the forming, smelting and pouring only took about a day of work. So casting CAN be also a viable option for just some one off parts :)
Astounding work and all for a great cause. Well done both you and Craig, also good luck Team Kentucky. You and your Wife are really improving on the story and editing, thank you so very much for sharing your time with us.
Thank you so much as always! Just keep swimming... just keep swimming...
Awesome video. I always love your stuff but I love seeing you machine stuff that's not just for other machines/machining accessories AND this hits my combination of love of racecars and experience designing hogged out aluminum parts at work
What a cool project. Another great video, more fantastic skills and that soothing voice too.
My brother was in FSAE at The University of Toledo and I ended up getting interested in the machining he was doing there and later after he graduated. I built a bench top CNC that lives in my basement with a small South Bend lathe. Love what you're doing!
I love waking up to a new video of yours! definitely one of my fav channels and really inspires me to push my fabrication to the best and learn as much as I can. Most of what I do is carpentry and metalwork for the entertainment industry but one day I hope to get into machining and use some of the skills I've learned here
This channel is simply the best! Never enough content
I'm always impressed with the level of skill and craftsmanship that can be found right here in my home state. Thank you for showcasing your talents, the talents of others, and for helping others with what they need!!!
Very impressive how you made this relatively complex part, well done😎👍
You're the best for switching the scale to kg
That was so much fun to watch. I'm absorbing so much amazing experience from your videos, I feel like I could become a machinist one day. It is also a good exercise in humility as I have to fight to keep my jealous side from hating you for how awesome your machine shop is. But, very grateful that I have such well made and entertaining educational material for free. Thank you.
Great job! Wish we could see both parts to compare.
This was a really nice video, thank you. It reminded me of machining some differential mounts for my FSAE team a decade ago in college when the CNC mill was down. I followed a similar process, down to creating 3 different drawings for the 3 angular reference frames on the rotary table. The main difference in my process was holding the part by its bore in the rotary table with a 3-jaw chuck. It made centering the part easier but the vibration far from the center got pretty bad. Toe clamping the stock is much smarter. Love to see someone (slightly) more professional following the same process I figured out back then!
This I really inspiring, I’ve always wanted to try and compete with a CNC. Love the content !!
Awesome video! Great to see the comparison and seeing beautiful part’s coming off a manual machine
Thanks man!
I am a member on RITs FSAE team and this is awesome.