Capt. ‘Sully’ on Boeing’s aviation safety: ‘They have lost their way’
U.S. Ambassador to the International Civil Aviation Organization and Captain of Flight 1549 ‘the Miracle on the Hudson’ C.B. “Sully” Sullenberger comments on Boeing’s string of quality issues and safety concerns.
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Justice for John Barnett. We all know what Boeing did to this brave man
He deserves a real investigation. The public deserves a real investigation.
We'll find out what happened...in a few years.
I'm pretty sure that it wasn't Boeing who killed John Barnett cause that would be absolutely foolish at this point of time. There is an undisclosed geopolitical background to the whole Boeing mess, and I doubt that this will ever be disclosed to the public. Those geopolitical groups, who are the original initiators of this Boeing mess, are those who killed John Barnett !
Nothing, he did it to himself
I'm not waving the flag for Boeing. But your comment doesn't help anyone. We do NOT know what Boeing did to John Barnett. His death is unlikely to have been caused by Boeing, even though the possibility cannot be completely discounted.
"Lost their way" is a euphemism for criminally liable.
Did the families of 100's of dead people on the crashed 737 Max planes ever get properly compensated?
Let’s just call it what it is: they’re criminally liable.
@@guadaluperincon7822 And The Whistleblower is now Dead ... how Conveeeeeenient..
"criminally liable" executives need to go to jail for criminal negligence. To install a software system to take control over flying the plane without the knowledge of the pilots is criminal, What if cars on the highway all of a sudden started to brake on their own.
@@gnubians9400Try a car with collision avoidance systems...it does brake on its own...to your benefit, but scares the heck out of you when it does.
That whistleblower did not commit su1c1de. Comments calling this out are being removed, but everyone knows.
Most people likely find it fishy too but unless it is proven it remains a theory and any platform following its own guidelines will sensor it. Google would be right in doing so if they weren't constantly cherry picking which comments get filtered. There absolutely needs to be outside investigations. I will leave it at that.
Good example being google deleted my initial comment. You aren't alone in this realization. Cherry picking doesn't help their case in the slightest when they leave qanon level crazy hanging with the rest of the laundry. It is in fact a theory until proven but if they are going to sensor one they should sensor all, period. What should be expected from a corporation that vetoed 'never be evil' right out of their policy.
@@K-Kori They don't censorr the countless BlueAnon tools who accuse fellow Americans of being Russians either
@K-Kori Quit spreading misinformation and you won't get sends herd.
@@K-Kori Someone reported your comment under one of the categories. Let us know if youtube sends you a note. I would get warnings when I changed the spelling of George Santos first name to a phonetic Spanish version. What can I say...the devil made me do it..
Worked for Boeing back in 1980. It was a great company back then. What a shame profits have won over safety.
Operating this way isn't profitable. They've experienced a general loss of competence, like much of American society.
These CEOs is what’s wrong with Americans business today. They do not care about anything other than profit. Safety and integrity in your work has nothing to do with their philosophy.
@@GDuncan8002 Quite so. America caught more than COVID-19. There is a growing malaise and the outcome isn't good. Once the public become disenchanted with your business it's exceptionally hard to win them back. Sure, the public has little options when it comes to flying but if people try to make a choice as to the type of plane airlines will take notice. Time will tell how the new COMAC will fit into the scheme of things.
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@@jackieallen3344 The CEO wasn't the one who didn't put 4 bolts in the door. The bolts were purchased, the bolts were on the shop floor. Some union worker didn't install them and some QA guy didn't look to see if they were installed. How is that a CEO who is only looking at profits? Explain how the CEO saved money.
SO GOOD to see "Sully" again!!!!!! Thanks for your thoughts.
I wish Sully was the CEO or on the board of Boeing.
Sully is the best
Props to Sully man. He breaks down how seriously Boeing has violated trust very well, and how Boeing’s culture has lost its way. At the same time, he is fair, and doesn’t play into the irrational fear-mongering the media has been pushing since the Alaska incident. We need more people like him.
This Captain is amazing and he tells it like he sees it. A very great and unselfish person. In a culture of selfishness, we need more Captain Sullenbergers.
Greed. Greed, has ruined Boeing's reputation. Greed, is responsible for the loss of innocent lives. Greed, is ruining our country. I'd like to see the foolish Boeing Executives, pay for their selfish, greedy decisions, and held accountable for the loss of life, they're responsible for. Justice for Barnett. Justice for lives lost. Peace of mind, for travelers.
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🧠 ~ Umm, it would’ve been a better idea to get rid of him BEFORE he told investigators every single thing he knew and got a lot of attention for his lawsuit. Don’t ya think? smh There have been many other whistleblowers that are walking around just fine too. But I do think they might have purposely made his life so miserable to have him drop the case and to be a warning to other people not to do stuff like this either. And that might have drove him to be depressed. But what is shocking is you don't even seem to consider the fact that maybe he really did end himself. But considering the Bolinh people are at least halfway intelligent, they're probably not going to end him in a way that's going to make the Internet go crazy like it is known to do. We have to think about these logical things. But I know people list to believe in all this stuff. Last thing I’ll say is coincidences happen all the time. Even though this is not necessarily some crazy coincidence. If anybody doesn’t know they happen all the time then they fall into the category of people who don’t have much knowledge outside of what they have personally experienced. I just heard about another situation a couple days ago or two men checked onto an airplane and they both had the same first and last name and they looked so much like that they could’ve been brothers. And they both had many similar hobbies. Crazy crap happens all the time.c
They did what they had to do to keep their stockholders happy with strong quarterly profits and large dividends. I’m far from a communist, but this is what happens when capitalism is taken to the extreme.
Made in USA has become a running joke…sad to see how bad it’s become.
That’s what you get when you have people like Ivan Boesky giving a commencement speech at Harvard Business school and telling tomorrow’s CEOs that “greed is good!” and at the end of that speech giving that animal a standing ovation.
Sully makes the most important point that culture is what defines a company. Since early 2000 after the merger with McDonald Douglas, Boeing changed to an accountant company. Engineering is what built the company and should be running the company. Engineers should be in the C suite, not accountants. Other structural issues have to be addressed to fix the culture and safety of Boeing.
I hope you are not implying that these problems are the result of former McDonnell Douglas (BTW, you spelled it wrong) managers/execs leadership. The Boeing MD merger was basically a hostile takeover. After the merger the CEO was a former Boeing guy. The corporate HQ was the Boeing HQ. All former MD execs who were present for the merger in 1996 have been long ago retired or died. This whole mess is due to BOEING's lack of leadership, integrity, and values. Boeing leaders today do anything to pump up the quarterly stock price and sacrifice the long term good of the company for short term profits in order to get an annual bonus and promotion. Greed is running rampant at Boeing. DEI is another issue at Boeing that needs to be addressed. You cannot expect a company to produce good products that require engineering and highly skilled labor when you are making hiring and promotions decisions based on DEI. Boeing execs have probably spent more time on DEI than they have on getting top the real root of issues like the 737 MAX fiasco.
I think it started before the merger. There's evidence they knew about the rudder problem that destroyed flight 585 in '92, but they told the FAA that it was the wind.
Don't forget the electrical fault with the 747 cargo door on United 811 in 1989.
My family worked for Boeing in Seattle (where it was founded in 1916) for many decades; we knew what would happen when they moved the company headquarters to Chicago and really started outsourcing to speed up production and reduce costs.
Outsourcing isn't inherently an issue, Airbus outsources, many industries do this Quality assurance is the issue, and that comes from the top You don't hire salesmen and MBA's to run engineering companies
They moved their hq to Arlington, VA.
@@db-mp2ofThe kind of Outsourcing Airbus does was not .the amateurishh thing Boeing dis when developing the 787. Better research on how they do it thean make presumptions. Boeing had no business outsourcing when they had internal capacity to do it better.
@@vs6300 Airplanes are made from thousands of parts, and Boeing doesn't engineer and manufacture all those parts and sub-assemblies, the engines being the biggest and most obvious example. Same thing with all the electronics and other systems.
@@williamedwards1528 Thanks for your input, but you need to read on the botched and amateurish outsourcing Boeing did while making the 787. Before you outsource, you need to put several things in consideration, like precision components cannot be outsourced to just anyone. Airplane parts are not burger buns and in this industry there are only two main manufacturers. Outsourcing requires a pool of clients to spread costs around to. A company outsourcing to another company which has no other clients for the same product will receive junk. I recently visited a company in Germany that manufactures 95%of all its components internally and it is a thriving company. Now, you need a lesson on the Airbus production and why it is successful system than make a statement in ignorance.
This is not really news for those engineers working in the aerospace industry. It's usually cheaper to build high quality into a product than to repair and rectify faults later.
Absolutely Right! I was a QA Supervisor. You cannot inspect your way to quality.
Key word there is *Engineers* . The people making these decisions are not engineers and even worse don't want to listen to engineers.
@@writerconsideredDon't forget the mechanics.... Those guys operate where 'the rubber meets the road', the engineers who run the company should be in constant touch with them too and hearing about their observations and experiences. The communication should be from the bottom up so that the big decisions include all facets of the business. It's all about teamwork. This is not about capitalism gone wrong, this is about stupidity and not rewarding the attributes in people that count towards a great, safe product.
@@writerconsideredwhen bean counters run the show engineering takes second place . I refuse to fly in a machine built by bean counters because their parameters only measure cost and profit . Safety and quality last . It’s a paradox that nowadays we have more technology than ever and build ever worsening aircraft.
The names and buzzwords change, but it used to be known as TQM: Total Quality Management. One comparison was US versus Japanese car companies. Japanese companies spent more time on the production line getting it right, and didn't have to have a massive rework line after a car was completed. Rework cost more than getting it right.
The same is happening in nursing, lack of expertise, profit over safety 😢
Late-stage capitalism.
@@str8ballinSA yes because socialism works so well😂
@@Blacks4trump2024 I never said it works better. That is your own conclusion.
Oh deregulation is the problem. Thank you Trump.😮
@@str8ballinSA ok my b...alot of you libs think that way tho
It is nice when the contributor has integrity.
And it isn't purported integrity. It is a known fact by all.
I work for Boeing Commercial Airplanes in engineering...for the past 33.5 years. Since outsourcing began in the early 2000s, the quality of work has deteriorated. There aren't many like me left who remember how quality mattered...the few left are nearing retirement. The engineering work put out is slop. People are not trained properly anymore. Not outsourced employees or in-house employees. Even now, with all the backlash about Boeing's quality, several managers in my organization still insist on cutting corners on quality. The company has become a clown show. I'm just trying to hang on 2 or 3 more years then I'll retire.
I’ve heard this referred to as “corporate antibodies”. By default, a corporation will revert to its existing culture. Boeing now has a culture of cost-cutting, and the corporate antibodies will attack anything conflicting with that culture.
I'm sorry for your frustration. I've seen it in the handful of companies I've worked for, as well, and in less time. It's always been cheaper to do things right the first time, and that goes for all businesses in all industries. People just lose patience when things get hectic, and that patience doesn't come back without serious help. I've seen new managers come in and try to set things in a better direction, only to be beaten down over a few months by the counter-quality habits they're surrounded by. Then they either give in and join the crowd, or move on to another company.
They have no idea how much they'll be losing, in that 2-3 years when you go. None at all. They might learn it afterward, however - hopefully without costing lives.
I hope you will stay long enough to help turn the company around! Please! We desperately need people exactly like yourself to step up right now! You can save human lives, god knows how many you could save if you speak up while you’re still able to make a difference! Train the newbies who are lost and teach them how to do quality work. We really need your help! And thank you for all your hard work over the years
Tendency for 2-3 years will be getting a higher ESG score, this public scandal may be forgotten soon
It is not only the aviation industry! American corporate/shareholder greed for ever increasing percentages of profits is gutting the work force. So called "Efficiency Experts" that businesses have been hiring are making working in America a daily stress filled nightmare where income has lagged far behind cost of living, causing financial stress on top of work stress. This all comes from the top. Start valuing the workers and high quality services and products.
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Nailed it! At work, we had lean managers from corporate come tell us how we can fit 12 hours worth of work in 8 lol. They told us to cut the fat! Awful. They were trying to work us to death.
Capt Sully is a hero of mine, not because he safely landed a dead plane, but because he studied and rehearsed over and over this deadly remote possibility and THEN landed the plane safely! Bravo to this hero!😊❤🎉 Maybe guys like him are my heroes because I crewed on combat support planes in Nam and I trusted those pilots to keep us all alive!
Airforce pilots are the best trained to fly planes when the computers cannot be relied on.
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Captain Sully is a legend! We all remember that amazing landing in the Hudson River. It was a miracle and nothing short of that.
It was an Airbus-320, supporting Sully with automated safety systems, making ist for example possible to fly the slowest possible in the best angle. Actually, there was no time to properly prepare the ditching. Yes, it was great flying and airmanship that day, accompanied by a plane that supported the pilots in the best way possible. Boing, on the other hand, has got a different philosophy.
@@superniemandMost of the systems failed on him on that day, so it was an every man for himself kind of situation. As he said "human factors save the day".
@@superniemandIt had everything to do with him being an Airforce pilot with proper training. If only I could ensure all my flights were with RAF and USAF trained pilots lol
@@mdhazeldine that's wrong the double birdstrike create several Fail the bus and the early APU start are big parts human factors good ingenieurring
@@ArohaStill That had nothing to do with it, but pop off sis.
He's 100% correct, based on my experience as an airline pilot and flying for over 39 years on Boeing airplanes (707, 757, and all 747s), in the last 24 years, regrettably, I have to admit that the quality and safety are not on the first place anymore. There are constant issues across each type, not only on the 737. At the same time, American companies with politically motivated management, outsourcing, and DEI madness, will not have a bright future. The airline industry has changed significantly since my youth, but not in the way many of us hoped for.
It may be the woke culture that around 2000 started to take over companies, beginning at the lower echelons but now taking over managements of companies. Indeed, companies now suffer under politically "motivated" management.
When you give executives stock options, that's what happens. Stock options are useless unless the stock rises, so their companies become stock pumping machines. A lot of long-standing companies are just parasites now - just using the original company's reputation to bleed it dry. And new companies aren't much better. Mostly their business plans don't make sense or are actually fraudulent. Or they require the destruction of an entire industry so their "disruptive" business can force everyone to use their low quality, over priced alternative.
I work with plenty of incompetent people, none of them who check any of the DEI boxes...
@@da1247 Lucky you, certainly not in the US.
@@da1247oh you are so righteous... 🙄
Wish EVERY pilot was like Sully. ❤❤❤
There are many awesome pilots!! I'm sure Sully would agree.
I am sure the majority of pilots are like Sully. If this is enough: time will tell.
I believe most pilots are just like him.
Sully said it accurately and diplomatically. As an aviation enthusiast I saw this issue emerging near 20 years ago when Boeing execs decided to do typical cost-cutting, mindless outsourcing and stock price finagling. The changes were apparent in the finished product and I slowly became an Airbus advocate.
Remember the Al Jazeera documentary on the 787? 10 years ago now.
Just his evening I was talking to an old colleague at British Airports Authority, he an engineer and I an ex-pilot operations officer, where we agreed that the safety standards were maintained because an engineer rose through the ranks to become CEO and later Chairman. He was in a position to ensure that safety and quality were maintained.
I've always been of the mind that managers should start by doing the jobs of the people they oversee. Direct experience cannot be duplicated academically. My best, and most memorable managers _did_ start out at the bottom.
My former father-in-law (now deceased) was the last actual Aeronautical Engineer to head up what was then British Aerospace. He was hands on to say the least and had a list of achievements most can only dream of - such as designing the English Electric Lightning. Worked on TSR2 and Concorde as well. If you are making something as complex as a commercial airliner or jet fighter you really need to understand the business you are in and have the integrity to call it out when things are not right. I also worked for an interiors company in the 90's supplying Boeing and Airbus. To get into Boeing you had to meet their 6 Sigma standard which was really tough. They would send inspectors to the factory to make sure. Back then the rule was if you couldn't test it, it didn't go on the aeroplane.
Engineers are hard to find, so do not get promoted anymore. Too valuable to waste being given management jobs - instead someone fresh out of college with a management degree will be put in charge and they’ll be given a set of “KPIs” to hit and some boxes to tick
I grew up in Aviation. My father built them and was an aviator. I grew up in a ZERO tolerance environment. ZERO tolerance for knowingly allowing less than the best that was humanly and technically possible. If that makes sense.
Makes sense.
Unfortunately the rush to market mentality is literally killing us. Mistakes are made, critical components not tested or not tested thoroughly enough, shortcuts taken that shouldn’t be taken, risks classified by cost ie. It is cheaper to deal with the result of failure than to spend ‘x’ dollars on removing the risk. This thinking is everywhere, in everything. Just ask anyone in any industry that sees what happens on the shop floor, not the company line or mouthpieces that are paid to make these organisations look good to investors.
Thank you Captain Sully for all you've done.
no his name is ‘Sully’
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sully and airbus
Of course his career goes far beyond the Hudson miracle.
Good to see Sully again! The industry needs to listen to what he’s saying.
@@alancooper4368 What does his flying an airbus have to do with his knowledge of safety and aviation? Safety regulations don’t change from plane to plane and also B and AB aircrafts are pretty similar, especially in basic structure.
Some people are just stupid. @@ravenm6443
No need. Even I know what has to change.
Far to many CEOs make way to much money for doing to little.
And WALL STREET is filled with too many ASSISTANT SECRETARY TO THE ASSISTANT SECRETARY'S ASSISTANT SECRETARY .
And then they give the CEO a big bonus to leave.
The CEO's annual compensation (about $22.5M or so) could pay to train 500 A&P mechanics...far more value added...
They get paid to destroy companies and lives
@@tomking1890They should be ashamed & shamed !
Safety has to be #1!
Crap managers searching for immediate 1 year profits to get a bonus.
Absolutely spot on
@@paulkrenz9593 It’s everywhere, in every engineering branch of every company. Blind eyes abound.
Maybe Sully needs to be on the board
Great idea.
I second the motion. As a matter of National Security and since the US financially assits the company it should also have its own engineers on that Board.
Yes!
As an ambassador/consultant, he's able to (at least try to) help many people in many companies. On a board, he'd be able to be outvoted and ignored by people from only one company. Sometimes people are already where they're supposed to be, even if they'd _also_ do a good job elsewhere.
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Stock Buy Back should be ILLEGAL !
Absolutely. All it does is artificially increase their share price so management makes a killing
They spent about $42.5B-ish on buy-backs between 2013 and 2019, and threw a few billion into the 777X. They should have bought better equipment, helped out the suppliers so they didn't have to cut corners/quality, and invested in better mechanic training programs.
especially combined with free shares as bonuses to the board members... they do have an incentive to boost artificially the share prices...
Stock buyback should be illegal. Apple does it all the time, while their disposable computers come with sky high prices.
@@DerekDavis213 you do know that Apple’s computer pricing has nothing to do with them doing buybacks right? They’re pitching their products as a luxury product regular people could aspire to.
It violated Aviation 101, putting pilots in a plane in which they could not train in emergency procedures for MCAS failure, because they didn't even know it existed. In addition to criminality, that was stupidity.
100 percent. Aviation industry classes all teach, you are in a 24/7, 7 days a week, a safety industry first and foremost.
It saved money, thus increasing the stock price. That's all they cared about.
The pilots not knowing about MCAS is patently FALSE...
@@B1900pilot Main reports say that documents show the company did not inform the pilots about MCAS. Do you have proof to the contrary?
Not just a professional pilot , a man with common sense.
Calhoun needed to be gone yesterday. UNBELIEVABLE that he's going to be in charge until the end of the year.
He gets a golden parachute and picks his successor … proof nothing will change
Thank you Katie and Ambassador Sully! Safety first!
Also, Safety, second, third and forth.
Love Sully!😊
First of all, I want to say that Sully is a fantastic man. He couldn't land one of those on the Hudson today because the wings would fall off and it would be in 300 pieces. They forgot those extra 10,000 bolts.
It was an Airbus A320-200 that he landed on the Hudson.
@@taxiway207 I'm aware.
Whenever I book a flight I get the "Bolt On" Protection option. $30 per bolt. Totally worth it.
Airbus doesn’t have quality problems, they actually know how to build planes
@@mvwoon or Fly Airbus
Wait what an American corporation more concerned with profits than safety I have never
Boeing, pre - 2000s was exemplary in investing in safety and product development.
Media has such a big impact that people forget how driving their cars is 100x more dangerous than flying commercial...
Good comment. Someone at NASA did an interview about Space X and all the disasters they had before they got it right. He noted that NASA never had such a margin of error and an endless amount of investors, so they worked hard to get everything right the first time. And yet they still met with disasters over time.
Yeah, but safety standards are enforced so much more heavily in aviation than in road travel.. Anyone can get behind the wheel of a car and drive. To be a pilot you need extensive training and recertification from time to time. There are also so many more check in place to ensure safety (air traffic control, regularly scheduled maintenance, mandatory regulations etc). Which is why it's generally a much bigger shock when an air disaster happens. Because we put so many things in place to ensure it doesn't.
yeah well you will find that at least a 1000x more people travel with cars than with planes
Jon Oliver has a great piece on Boeing, and it’s mortifying.
LOL Jon Oliver. I must watch so I know to form exactly the opposite view of this T()()L.
@@surfrescue3232😂😂 💯
What American company hasn't, especially companies like Boeing and military equipment manufacturers where shareholders and ceo compensation is more important than safety, and creating the best possible equipment. Capitalism, or any "ism" at its worst!
You can trace this catastrophe back to “shareholder value” proponents in the 70s and 80s. It’s never shareholders you need to worry about but customers. Lose your customers and wind up broke. Short term gain mentality is what’s driven so many business under or to a shadow of their former selves. Letting salespeople and accountants run technology companies in any form has never made any sense to me. They view products as strictly numbers and never as actual things. And that has never ended well. Until Boeing and a lot of other companies return to having technically competent people at the helms this horror show will continue as it has elsewhere.
While having technical competence in leaders helps, it is the appreciation of quality to drive long term success that is needed. That could be done by a non-technical leader.
@@thadsmith4909 That is very true. But I've found that those with an eye for detail and quality tend not to be the ones that get promoted into the C-suites. It's a sad fact I've dealt with in high tech for 40+ years.
I have experience of this - I worked for the engineering division of a large well known company. The head of engineering had a place on the board when I started 30 years ago. After a reorganisation, engineering was placed under ‘Sales’ and when the head of eng retired, he was not replaced. There are now several managers above the engineering dept. All salesmen. The performance of the company has BOMBED ever since and is now, fankly, a s**t show and quality has fallen through the floor. It is a very common experience.
@@SAHBfan This keeps happening and yet boards keep rewarding this insane behaviour. And folks wonder why North American industry and prowess has suffered.
@@SAHBfan Letting salestrash run companies is disastrous.
Thank you Sully...
This is a hugely important interview! Focusing on Quality is NEVER a cost! It is always a long-term benefit! The lessons of Dr. W. Edwards Deming (who was sent to Japan by the US Gov after WWII to help them rebuild their manufacturing capacity) were brought to the American people's attention in the 1980 NBC White Paper special report "If Japan Can, Why Can't We?" This 1980 news broadcast is on KZhead and should be watched by the leadership at Boeing... and every other company in America! Quality MUST become Job One again!
Do you have a link to it?
I've worked in automotive. There are two types of engineers: Those who are students of Deming, and those who are late to class.
@@mvwoon I'm happy to see you know of Deming's work!
@@SteveBrant55 me too :)
If it’s not safe, no manufacturing job is a quality of craftsmanship
I used to work for a chemical company that had a worker safety program. A $70,000 bonus to one of the VPs hinged on keeping injuries at that company below industry standards. I remember the one time our injury rate exceeded industry standards, the VP, who I believe was a standup man, launched a thorough investigation into the root cause of those events. I’m not saying a monetary incentive is always necessary, but it can help focus the attention and energies of leadership. as long as CEOs continue to get paid multi million dollar packages regardless of outcomes nothing will change. And, for chrissake, stop, saying the CEOs make millions because they are great performers and they’re hard to find. They are not.
The problem with many businesses these days is that they are run by accountants rather than experts in their field. Accountants know the cost of everything but the value of nothing.
#1 priority is profits and shareholders #2 priority see priority #1
He nailed it… an engineering company needs engineering leaders during certain windows of the company’s life… this is the time.
Boeing does not have the same caliber of engineers as it once had.
I was an international flight attendant years ago. Boeing jets were my fav. In training school, we watched a Boeing film on the safety of their planes, even how they could feasibly land in water & float for two weeks. I still love flying but saddened to learn of the problems. Captain Sully personifies exactly why I always felt safe with our flight crews in charge. Very noble folks.
enough with financial pirates!
(1:06) "I lay the blame at the feet of the Board..." I think this is a larger problem that has to do with us as a society. The idea that companies should sacrifice everything to "maximize shareholder value" is something that American citizens hated and fought against since the very first American stock market in 1792, but has somehow found acceptance among even those of us who don't own stock. The problems at Boeing are instead a symptom of a system headed in the wrong direction.
We used to build side by side refrigerators when I was in college. There was a production engineer in my face for stopping the line because the line was packed end to end and I couldn't get a plug in the bottom end where without it the insulation foam would escape and catch the foam structure and the refrigerator on fire. I guess if I were working for Boeing I'd be dead.
As a former Boeing employee I totally agree. There is a book called “No Downlink” about the Challenger disaster and the breakdown of communication between those on the shop floor, the engineers, the technicians and management. If you look at that example there were also whistleblowers who suffered because they spoke up.
Greetings and salutations from 🇨🇦 Canada to the hero! ❤Captain Sully ❤
As someone who has worked in Aviation as an Engineer and Mechanic, no more truth is better said than this. Stop all the media hysteria and get back to the basics…Safety & people first, lets make the Culture at Boeing right again
My late husband worked for an airplane manufacturer. He quit when they put the passengers on the wings. Thanks be to God nobody fell off.....
There was a documentary on Netflix about Boeing. They used to be big on safety but now they cut corners.
The FAA has some responsibility as well. LACK of effective regulatory oversight. Self regulation does not work. Sully nails it.
Didn't Sully fly the Airbus A-320 ?
A 320-214
he flew a lot of different airplanes over his airline career
Sully is one of the FEW public people I trust!!
Sully a true hero! ❤ He should be chairman of the FFA
Anyone who has worked in business today knows that raising issues that haven't happened yet and would threaten profits is a career limiting move. You're better off preparing for the failure you see coming, letting it fail and picking up the pieces as a hero. And that is sad.
Yep. It is sad. Wrong people at the top.
When they moved their offices away from the factory in Seattle to Chicago, they chose their profits over making the best product
They chose the CEO's wife's preferred shopping destination.
A & P mechanic for 39 years. Been in the maintenance side of the business since 1985. From 727's to now. The culture has changed. And NOT FOR THE BETTER. It's NOT ONLY Boeing but all the Airlines. The complacency is brought on by the years of Top NOTCH safety in our industry. AND now, it's the love of MONEY. The steps it takes to keep an airplane safe is now SECONDARY. Slowly the checks and balances we use to keep planes safe have, are eroded (with the blessings of FAA OVERSIGHT, GONE NOW. Thank you FAA). And now we're probably at the BREAKING POINT all us Professionals have dreaded. I knew a top exec at Boeing. He left due to what he saw at Boeing. He was once PROUD (as many of us in the maintenance aspects were) of what we did. Now, pressure from management to cut corners to save money on maintenance protocols are the main drive. INDUSTRY WIDE. His words, not mine. Is it too late to turn this MONEY LOVING culture of Airplane Safety around? It was for the TWO MAX jets and it's ill fated crew and pax.
"Several days later, Sully was found dead in his car with a self inflicted gun-shot wound." Not one of us would blink if that happened. :(
Nobody seems concerned about the rift between Boeing leadership and the rank and file and how this could be part of the problem...
They moved their HQ to Chicago so they could play at being a Fortune 500 company. Then they put quarterly results in front of safety.
Then they moved their HQ to Virginia to be closer to politicians and regulators in Washington, DC.
@@chow-chihuang4903 I stand corrected
"if it´s not Boeing, I´m not dying" hehe. As a brazilian, I can only be proud of my Embraer... Growing in a underdeveloped country and, despite of this, producing maybe the most secure airplanes on it´s category
I been reading up on the miracle of Hudson. It was a miracle, and Sully and his decades of experience was one of the key reasons why everyone survived, but there's another aspect that isn't as talked about. The plane was an airbus that by sheer chance was an "extended overwater" equipped, aka it had rafts and life vests and not just slides, a more expensive option. The rafts helped keep people from the cold water. It wasn't required for that route, despite leaving from an airport so near to water. Most of NTSB suggestions to improve the industry after the miracle of Hudson to ensure future similar incidents have similar great results... were ignored, as Sully has talked about in some prior interviews. To remain impartial, the NTSB does not have much power outside of ability to investigate and issue reports. We need other departments in the government listening more and following the advice -- which ultmately comes down to us voters to vote in those that will serve the public better and kick out the grifters and corrupt. (Another interesting aspect is those ferries that responded -- they had been doing monthly rescue training since 9/11. An example of how an smaller industry changed to help the public be safer :). They are in some respect first responders.)
That plane being Airbus helped in more ways: Stall protection systems helped Sully to avoid constant monitoring of speed while trying to keep speed as slow as possible and especially wings level and make tail contact water first. (wing contacting water first causes cartwheeling) And Baltimore bridge collapse is even better example of NTSB's warnings/recommendations not being heeded. After very similar ship collision and collapse of Sunshine Skyway Bridge in Tampa 44 years ago they recommended protecting support pillars of bridges from ship collisions and new bridge there included those. With how busy and important port Baltimore is you would have thought adding those to this bridge years ago would have been priority.
@@tuunaes Yea, watched a bit of the NTSB press briefing on the bridge, and my take away was in some respect a ticking time b mb situation and that bridge should have been replaced with a design with more redundancy years ago considering the traffic over and under it and importance for the economy. It was a design with singular points of failure that could lead to collapse, and welp, that's what happened. We somehow gotta make investing in infrastructure more tempting to get politicians to prioritize it more... Or vote in better politicians. But neither seem to be what our country is particular good at doing atm. There seems to be fundamental flaws that need to change -- it's too easy for our politicians to buy themselves into seats, and for them to be bought, and for politcial actions to be about relection or political favours more then public good. (also: didn't hear about that about stall protection, that's interesting to learn! Didn't watch the full hudson meetings. Was watching while cleaning and only got like halfway through day 1. It's sad that the movie used NTSB as meetings and so badly portrayed them that some folk still see them that way [as can be seen in comment sections about the event here on youtube]).
I was wondering if Sully would speak out on this.
Why are they cranking out airplanes so fast? How do we not have enough out there to be careful when making more?
Greed is the root of humanities problems. As children we are drawn to things just for the love at first sight feelings. Plains, cars boats, music, history, math, medicine, the list is endless. And then comes along the business person who's only love is for money and power.
Bean counters have been the death of many companies. Now bean counters are becoming the death of us.
❤❤ Thank you for interviewing captain Sully. He is a true professional. I flew with captain Sully miracle on the Hudson and others from the crew of 1549 co- pilot Jeff and flight attendant Doreen all great people. Captain Sully is correct Boeing has lost its way and there quality culture has to change for the better. When profits are placed above quality and safety it is a tragedy and lives have been lost.
Amazing man. Very well said!
Engineers don't want to run companies. They want to build stuff that makes the world a better place. The simple change thats needed is leadership that supports the that goal, not one that prioritizes profit. Its that easy. This also isnt unique to Boeing, this is needed in many companies.
Anyone else notice at 4:23 under "Boeing safety incidents" they show an Airbus a330 in the middle...surely just get it right 😅
Ye. I noticed!
We salute you, Captain Sully. Boeing lost its way because of greedy, incompetent management, who punished employees for speaking up about sloppy manufacturing procedures. Yes, culture is key to the success of an organization.
I'd have no problem getting on Boeing jetliner as long as it is not a 787 or a 737 Max.
Deepest respect for Sully!
Wow. MSNBC is addressing an issue I consider important. That's a change after the last few years!
Fly the Safe Sky's Fly Airbus
1:33 - "It's the human factor that always saves the day" - How about Malaysia Airlines Flight 370?!?
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Miracle on the Hudosn .. 2009 ... Gosh, time flies !!
The pictograph at 4:20 is _incredibly_ misleading. Only two of those five can be attributed to Boeing directly - the first and last. The Atlas 747 was a maintenance error - a mechanic left an access hatch on the engine open. Delta was also a maintenance error. United was a wheel failing, which was more than likely a failure that would have _never_ been caught at assembly.
No not really...the just consciously decided to go from an engineering-driven company to a financially-driven one! This is the result...numbers over product safety! In the end the shareholders will have 0 too!
Boeing are single handedly undermining the aviation industry , after decades of safe commercial aviation passengers are now deeply concerned about the build quality of aeroplanes.
Sully hits the nail on the head! 👍
Years ago, I worked for a machine shop that made parts for Boeing who "farmed out" replacement parts. They many times came with paperwork labeled AOG meaning "Airplane On Ground." That meant the job needed to be expedited! They were in a hurry. The tolerances were very "tight" sometimes, meaning the tolerances were close like one or two thousands, so you had to be careful not to scrap the part. That was a good thing!
Much of the issues that have happened recently such as wheel's falling off and planes "dropping" in the middle of a flight has NOTHING to do with Boeing or the design of their planes - It's maintenance and weather. Get real.
My sister used to work at Boeing and said that everything started to go down hill after their merger with MD. Also, no one believes the whistleblower killed himself. That needs to be investigated.
BRAVO MSNBC - great person to go to for Aviation matters. Who can you trust - Sully
“It happens in every industry, not just this one.” This is SOOO TRUE! 4:24 The 757 nose wheel falling off was an airline mistake BTW, not Boeing’s mistake. That plane hasn’t been produced since 2004.
If it’s a Boeing, I ain’t going! ✈️😳
Sully is such a Boss
Bravo to you Captain Sullyberger for your analysis of the crisis with Boeing. I have admired you since you landed that plane safely on the Hudson River without any fatalities.
The plane ditched in the Hudson, Cpt. Sullenbergers plane, was an Airbus. If it had been a Boeing, I’m not sure things would have worked out so well…I know I risk making a storm of a discussion about it, but right now, I think that’s how it is :-(
What??! How could you possibly know?
@@heldbymynutsacsplight2663 ….because his plane was an Airbus, and Boeing, as it is now, are extremely unsafe. Deadly even. I hope Boeing will get back on track though. They have a proud and significant history. They just lost their ways…
@@user-mh7ng4vn9l you have no idea what you are talking about....
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Late stage capitalism, always eats itself.
When the board turns a def ear to engineering and QC that's a big problem for the company .
🫡 respect Captain: you are a real American Hero!
There's any number of exemples of engineers cutting costs unethically to the detriment of safety. In fact, they are 100% complicit here. STEM professionals are no more ethical than anyone else simply by being from STEM. You can be ethical in any field.
It boils down to characters and morales.
I agree but there’s also the issue that the processes are fragmented now due to asset and manufacturing sell off. A professional may do best they can but have no sight of the manufacturing of a part they are fitting, or whether its quality checked after more assembly. If there’s a lack of oversight on multiple suppliers and processes it’s a systemic issue