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0:00 Introduction
2:22 Part Overview
2:49 Diagnosing the problem
3:41 Fuel System
7:58 Clutch Inspection
17:43 Sparkplug
20:08 Piston/Cylinder
38:13 Putting Saw Back Together
44:08 Cleaning the Bar
45:44 Testing the Saw
46:25 Outro
I’m a licensed mechanic turned arborist. This video is incredibly helpful and very well done! Thanks fellas
Gordy is a nice guy and knows his stuff, thank you Jake!
This is by far one of the best breakdown videos on KZhead. Super informative, great job Jacob and Gordy!
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@GuiltyofTreeson oil mix 33:1 ?
You are so lucky to have created a relationship with Gordy. What a wonderful source of saw knowledge! More Gordy videos!
Gordy is a Pro. Thanks for the seasoned techniques and detailed descriptions of my ms661
Another Master Class. Gordy touched on all the wear parts that get forgotten. Jacob, damn fine job editing. Gordy stole the show and managed to get some comedic relief in. As Jacob's saw is being taken apart, it's like he's at the doctors office having to explain what happened in the last 4 years. I enjoyed every minute of the video. Thanks to both of you!!!
Thanks Richard Jacob and I pretty much laugh non stop when we get together throwing jabs at each other it’s a good time 😂
That ultra no no
I agree, this video was absolutely superb - so informative!
@@westcoastsaw1368we need a video of how to properly clean a saw
@@westcoastsaw1368on this rebuild how much time would you say the saw has? Do you wait until a drop in performance to do a rebuild or do you have a different measurement for rebuild time? Guys using their saw’s daily compared to part time users which I am. Trying to get a idea on ideal time to do a rebuild. Excellent video Thank You appreciate it!
Before anyone tries to say "chains don't stretch, they wear", he literally referred to the wear in the pins as causing the "stretch". It's just semantics, tomayto tomahto.
I've had someone that used chainsaws all their life tell me that same thing
Tuhmater
You are correct. The chain is measurably longer, but not because any of the metal elongated. Instead, the wear on the moving parts allowed it to happen. I still call it stretching anyway.
@@happycamper6352 what would the wear at the bottom of the chain tie straps be called where they come into contact with the bar rails?
@@iffykidmn8170 I've always heard it called chain wear, but it rarely becomes an issue, as the teeth are usually filled to nubs well before that becomes an issue. Filing the bar surface to flat and smooth was something that was not covered here, which is an important regular service, though.
Hello, my name is Sal. I just want to say that I went through the whole video with you guys and this is just like a school class. It really help me that was a good teaching right there. Thank you so much for the channel and your body that did the chainsaw service . God bless you guys.
I love how Jacob is like every other arborist and doesn’t maintenance his saw just cleans it. Thank you very much for the informative video
The sad part is, many don't even clean either. I've been guilty of that sometimes.
most arborist saws are never cleaned or anything.
@@alexstromberg7696 I would say most of us do some minor paintbrush cleaning when we change/sharpen chains, and same just before removing fuel mix/bar oil caps. We also clean the oiler hole on the bar quite often since it tends to clog about twice per second or so it seems on some jobs. But, outside of that, we run the saws hard and neglect maintenance for the most part, and yet they last many years of daily use anyway.
Whaaaat?? Arborist clean there saws daily
There's a tonne of really useful information in this video - many thanks to Jake & Gordy for making it. For UK people (of which I am) some of this maintenance (sprocket, needle bearing etc) is covered in the first of the NPTC chainsaw certifications - "002003 - City & Guilds NPTC Level 2 Award in Chainsaw Maintenance and Cross Cutting" (used to be CS30). Whilst the certification doesn't give you experience (only experience will), it does give you a base level of knowledge and awareness so that you can keep your kit in good condition.
Merist Wood?😉
Definitely on board to see a bar tuneup from Gordy. He did a great job breaking down what he was doing. I like knowing the "why behind the what" so this was definitely a great video for me
Another great Gordy teaching class. Keep these types of videos coming.
More to come!
this could not have been timed better, I walked in the door with a second hand, slightly damaged 661 the day this was posted. Great great video, hugely helpful and totally demystified the inside of the saw for me. Huge thanks
Just found this somewhat older video and man it i love s loaded full of knowledge and maintenance tips I hadn’t really thought about before. Love when you and Gordy join forces.
More excellent content, thanks! For anyone looking to get hold of one of the stainless steel 'pliers' Gordy used for the tricky small stuff, they're properly called an 'Artery Forceps'. They're designed to be used to hold/manipulate/clamp off blood vessels during medical procedures/surgery. They're widely available off the Internet for cheap, in several sizes and shapes.
I think they might have been also known as roach clips.😉😁 I think the non serrated ones would be arterial forceps/clamps and serrated for grasping things like suture needles and such.
@@iffykidmn8170 why would you clip a roach?😁
New “Westcoast Saw” product, Dr Gordy’s Signature gas line “Artery clamps” in stainless steel or Stihl 500i titanium.
Princess Auto usually carries forceps at very nice prices :)
In high school in the 70's we used them as roach clips.
You guys are awesome to watch and learn from. I have learned so many things from both of you. I could watch these kind of videos for hours! Thank you both very much!!
What an informative and useful video. Thank you Jacob and Gody for taking the time to share your knowledge. I learn a few things.
This is by far the best and most informative chainsaw video I have watched yet. Appreciate it guy's. Stay safe
Wow, thanks!
Ofcourse.hope you guys are doing well!
Very helpful to see others go through a saw and give comments and tips. Thanks!
Love when you guys collaborate. The pace of the video is so chill. Gordy's shop seems like such a comfortable place to be.
Awesome job Gordy explaining as you go in detail and thanks Jacob for recording this.
Outstanding preparation and presentation by both of you. The clarity and sequencing is simply 1st class.
Man, talk about great footage. You should record Gordy breaking down and upgrading all the blue thunder knockoff saws you bring him.
Learned more about getting my saw back in good condition in this one video than i ever knowed about it at all. And i aint ingnernt about saws n mechanical stuff. I just not never been taught.
Gordy is a great teacher. You see that , arborsite. He grease's his needles. Simple maintenance saves saws
Great info, Perfect timing. Now I've got a few things to tune up on the arsenal. Was not aware of the particularities of the clutch drum/sprocket interface. Two 201tcs a 250 and old but semi faithful 460 are gonna get some love next week. Thanks Gordy and Jake. - an environmentalist who made it through the whole vid.
This video is absolutely awesome. Gives me the confidence to work on my 461 instead of just taking to the shop. Thank you guys very much
Great video. Good points that often get overlooked by many people. And about the bar oil, every drop gets thrown on the ground anyway. Just usually not all in one spot.
That 661 is Sweet!!!!
I really enjoyed this video! I love doing my own maintenance and really enjoyed learning the in-depth maintenance of a chainsaw! I have a mid 90s Jonsered 670 Champ that I’ve taken care of like that and it still serves me today after cutting timber with it for several years! I just have purchased a new Stihl, 500 I an am looking forward to giving some loving as well! Thanks again for a great video!
He'd be a great mentor for an apprentice.
@22:30 "Hanging with you has made me soft" Great slam Gordy! Love the banter between you two. Thanks for all the info, Gordy. Thanks for the vid, Jacob
There is a special greasegun for greasing the rollerbearing in the clutch, I think it is made by Oregon. There is a greasepoint in the end of the crankshaft.😉
Yes a special grease that doesn't get all over the clutch. Not all saws have that hole.
Oregon Part number 54-201..
Most stihls do not have that grease point. All pro Husqvarnas do though.
Gordy’s 2 tone ford is so badass!!
Mate I learned so much from this. Thank you. Recently upgraded to a 500 from a 291 and that cowbell thing happened on the old saw. The chain had worn channels in the sprocket
I watched every single second of this. Outstanding. Thank you.
The attention to detail is amazing. Nice job 👍
Great information, I've had my 026 pro since 2015 traded my uncle and always clean any saws, immediately I found my uncle neglected bad fins on jug filled up with dust and dirt, knew it's bad packing from years, glad about fins behind pull start . I need to rebuild it, give a lot of life. I've been continuously using about 3 year's ran beside a friend's husky 395 my little beast kept up with him to. Mine has great perfect start protocol, choke 3 pulls and bark, move choke up 1 level pull and run, when it doesn't start easy, there's a problem. Thank you guys 😉
Thanks Jake, & Gordy. Dude's shop is SICK. Sorry for your guys' incredible loss of Jed. God Bless.
Good Lord I need to rip into my 026...25 years old and never tore it apart...changed the clutch but thats it!
Excellent description of all the terrible things I have done or failed to do to my saws over the years.
Wonderfully explained in great detail but not over abundance of useless info....i understand most all that was gone over but i enjoyed the video completely....very good.
Very informative, complete, and explained in a way that is easily understood. Thank you both!
Is checking the ring gap something that you were concerned with?
This was great very informative and I'm gonna feel much more confident abput fixing & maintaining my saws.
That was a really interesting video. Thanks Jacob and Gordy, good job 👍🏻
Awesome video guys! Appreciate taking the time to explain everything in detail.
This video was outstanding. Looking forward to watching more. Thanks again.
Two great channels working together, great video y'all.
Yes, please do a video on bar maintanance and refubishing! Great video as well! Keep up the great content.
What a great video got the same saw done by Gorty and I didn’t know about 90% of what is shown on this video! Saw is still running like a hot rod. Great video fellas🤙🏻🤟🏻
Great video man, Gordy knows his stuff. I have rebuilt a couple blown up saws and was working a ms360 before deployed and was planning on buying a new cylinder. Now I'm gonna try that honing tool you guys used.
Gordy is an expert at explaining the function of everything on a saw
Great video and awesome tips. I am not a pro but a saw enthusiast and have many WCS products which are the best of the best. Thanks for sharing the tips and your knowledge with us.
Great detailed info, thanks for the great edited overview. Love my ms660 👍✅
So much knowledge shared in this video and I appreciate it! Thank you sir.
Great video. I’d love to see how Gordy goes about setting the high/low idle screws on the carb. Thanks!
Really good video. Gave me a good refresher on servicing saws. The clutch bearing, great reminder. And also applies to trimmers/weedeaters.
Glad it helped!
It was fun to watch the rebuild, and now I will impatiently wait for the next video where you run the saw
Great video…. Gordy’s parts are awesome, I have them on three of my Stihl’s. Awesome quality! Thanks for such an informative video! Class act
Wow! This was fantastic. Thank you guys for sharing your knowedge.
Bout couple weeks ago I pulled the plug on a 661 w/36" bar than immediately went n got the WCS clutch cover n the bark box n im ik a kid n a candy store LOVEM both n also got a key chain from WCS wen i got my clutch cover
Really great info! Very helpful to see how the pro's do it. Thanks!
Norway here. I use this system a lot, but use mostly netted types. My bags are filled in bag stand that widens the bag and give the right tension
Oh buddy I always hated it when a customer would bring in a saw all dirty!!! But one thing I would always say so that I wouldn’t get all made about it is it gives me an idea of how a person has treated there saw over the years and this also gives me an idea of what all to look for wear on!!! This has absolutely helped out by a person bringing in a saw that isn’t clean but I will also charge them for my cleaning time!!! Awesome video buddy and remember keep up all the hard work buddy!!!!
Its nice to see you guys work together the stabs at arborists are to funny
Great job fellas. like the way gordy explains everything .
Excellent howto and loads if useful tips. Really enjoyed you both talking about this.
Glad you enjoyed it
Great video Jacob! Very interesting stuff and Gordy has such a nice shop.
wow thanks so much for this video, i leaned so much stuff. Gordy really knows his stuff, cool to learn from someone who knows what they're doing.
Powerful video. Thanks Jake and Gordie
Most informative video I’ve seen in a long time. Thank you
Well, I learned some stuff! Thanks guys. I really appreciate the lesson.
What a video, what a video! I just recently started using a chainsaw for work and have become obsessed. I've found your channels in the process of digging for more knowledge. Your videos are so very entertaining on top of being a fantastic source of education - just wanted to express some appreciation and cheer you on!
Thank you!
Great stuff , learned alot, you two work well together, look forward to more like this! 🙂
Glad you enjoyed it!
Good information, thanks Gordy and Jacob!
Thanks….great video on the ‘mysteries’ inside!👍👍
Great video. I have a buddy who’s an arborist and he sent this to me. I’ve been studying small engine work for about 18 months and working on chainsaws, among other things, and I learned a few things from this video. I wouldn’t have called it tuning though - it’s a servicing job.
And i watch this and wait for tuning this chainsaw. 😂
Wow! Really nice content. Thanks to both of you.
Thanks guys! Great tutorial!
Great content and presentation, very practical and informative…thanks
Jake, I want to express to you my gratitude for what you do. Sincerely, Rob Simons. P.s. Gordy too
Isn’t Gordy just a champ! I’ve gotta order one of those depth gauge’s!!! They look absolutely fantastic!!! Love the WCS bark box… left it on a 660 I sold and I’m still kicking myself for that move… LMFFAO! Those side cover’s look awesome too!!! Fantastic stuff! Especially that paying attention and swapping out the $100 dollar piston that’s getting rough will save the $400 dollar cylinder!!! That’s just huge!!! Keep them clean fellas and they’ll run better and last much longer!!! Rock & Roll!!! Keep on Truckin!!!
When Gordy isn't looking, replace that plug with a new decompression valve. Repeated pull-starts, especially when not using the decompression valve, will speed up the onset of periostitis/arthritis. That's something that really isn't noticed until it's too late when you're an old fart like me. It's usually not debilitating, but rather a chronic annoyance. Impact exercises are often to blame, and the pull cord on a good compression engine can cause significant stress on joints over time. Personally I have a bad habit of yanking that pull cord like I'm trying to break it, and the first pull on a cold start is usually the toughest. Sometimes if I think to do it, I pull it to do just one turn over, then let it wind back in to do the first full pull. An old logger/log truck driver taught me that one. Honestly, I love the decompression valve now that I'm old enough to notice the difference.
You dont start a saw enough for arthritis. Decomps are just a hassle.
@@alexstromberg7696 I have issues with my shoulder, and I believe that the compression in a pull start is a contributing factor. It is certainly not the only factor though. I can't imagine what the count would be if I tallied the number of pulls per day any of us have. The decompression valve is simply the push of a button and you don't even have to "unpush" it; it just sorta re-seals when the engine fires. The only limitation is what was mentioned in the video, a very real possibility, that the valve could leak in a small and progressively larger way over a long time of using the saw, but in that case, I can just replace the relatively affordable and simple-to-replace part.
@@alexstromberg7696 not sure how the decomp is even possibly a hassle?
@@alexstromberg7696 do you do treework for a living?
Super Video, nice harmony and respect between you guys. One thing (cant read through all the comments maybe somebody allready mentioned it) I learned -what may sound a little smartarsy: The piston clips should be put in with the open side pointing upwards- to prevent velocity of piston movement up and down to compress the clip so that it could be possible to work its way out the groove it is sitting in. If the open side of the clip points up it just gets pressed in tighter because the piston doesn´t move forward and backwards. God bless you Americans
Lots of great tips definitely need to change some drums an sprockets thanks guys 👊
What a great explanation on why to take care of your saw, you could save someone a lot of money
Amazing video. Thanks Jacob and Gordy!
Nice tutorial Gordy. Great job!
Wow you live right down the road from me. I live in maple valley lol. Love the content. Takes me back to the good ol days with modern day stuff.
Awesome content. Gordy is so good at explaining stuff
Gordy is the man. He's knowledgable about saws like Jake is trees. Definitely check out West Coast Saws...high quality products, high quality people. Great video Jake!
I got into an argument with a tree hugger about spilling an oz. or so of chain oil. Buddy lost his mind, said he was going to call the Ministry, etc.... Looked completely dumfounded when I explained to him what actually happens to chain oil while cutting.
Worn parts like this can also play havoc with how your saw cuts,eg curving in a cut.etc.while I have the clutch off I will degrease under neath and blow it out.great video Jacob and Gordy.
Good video, thanks for the info. The only thing that I was surprised with was not cleaning the air filter.
Good reminder, thanks Jacob and Gordy! Gonna give my 362 some love.
Right on!
Great video guys. A great video to learn from. Looking forward to the bar video.
Good video. I work on husqvarna and Dolmar saws here in 🇬🇧. Not had much to do with Stihl, but I enjoyed watching 👌🏻
I've also taken to pulling the covers off under the clutch cover to clean out the chain brake linkages and band... This as I had an MS461 pack up with bar oil and wood dust to the point where the band dragged on the drum and generated enough heat to melt the edges of the covers near the brake band. The chain brake also didn't engage/disengage properly. I use a brush and shop vacuum to get the crud out of the clutch area instead of blowing it out (actually in) with the compressor...
These are my favourite videos! I own a 661... This will be a good video for me to watch when I get around to doing this maintenance on my saw. I also neglect cleaning my maxflo filter lol it's kind of a pain... Sometimes I wonder if its really worth it
GREAT VIDEO!!! Gordy is so instructive and clean in his explanation. Great teacher. One thing called my attention: no dynamometric tool to tighten up the cylinder? I guess his hands are pretty expert but mine maybe not hahahha