Why We Dumped the Volvo XC90 | Pros and Cons
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We cover the 2023 Volvo XC90 Recharge updates and discuss the good and bad of the changes. This old SUV was released in 2015, and while certain things were great, many things were equally bad. We talked about why we bought one and why we sold it. Acura MDX, BMW X7, Audi Q7, Kia Telluride, and Toyota Grand Highlander are other SUVs to consider.
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Index:
00:00 The Pros and Cons of the Interior and Exterior
4:00 Why I sold it and the Problems
7:06 Platform Explanation
8:30 Driving Impressions and Final Thoughts
The fact that Mark and Jack don’t sugar coat their reviews to appease manufactures makes my subscription that much more justified. Keep telling it like it is guys!
That's what I really appreciate. Although when I know how the destroyed good cars in reviews and they bought this piece of hot turd that you know from afar is really bad shows some really bad judgement or zero knowledge.
They literally did this, so is this a self report that you are as uneducated about autos as Mark and Jack are?
@@b18tuner5875 Post the video or GTFO
@@b18tuner5875 I know you're trying to say something. Maybe next time you will succeed) Good luck! 😂
@@raiiiar Yes, because Mark and Jack have an uneducated opinion, they don't excite real car enthusiasts, and only those that are equally as unintelligent. I just read your first comment, are you sure that you aren't talking about yourself? I couldn't understand your comment at all. Is English your primary language? Upon further review, it looks like you are Roma, so that explains everything.
When they first came out with the option to have a supercharger *AND* a turbocharger, while also offering the ability to throw an electric hybrid system into the mix, I knew instinctively that this vehicle was going to be a hot mess. Toss in the notorious unreliability of an air suspension and you've got a vehicle that is all but guaranteed to be paying off your mechanic's mortgage all by itself.
Fabulous cars but yea you’re gonna want that 10-year Volvo extended warranty
@@oldieznut1 For me, the big issue isn't so much the coverage as it is being continually stranded without a vehicle. The ability to get a paid for rental doesn't do you a lot of good when you're stuck in the middle of nowhere, or break down in the wee hours of the morning. You'll never have confidence or peace of mind with that particular SUV.
what is worst then an ev car or forced induction car an ev/2 mods of force induction on a small capcity inline 4 equiped with air suspension moving a 5000 pound car.
that was my first thought too, obviously it sounds cool but in practice....absolute disaster
What frustrates me is that this Rube Goldberg device replaced the excellent Short Inline 6. The SI6 was reliable, compact, and smooth, and sounds great. The T6 version was quite powerful (350+ hp in some versions) thanks to the addition of a twin scroll turbo. Neither version was what you'd call fuel efficient, but adding direct injection and a mild hybrid would have helped.
I've been waiting for this review. I bought one of the first XC90 T6 R-Designs (with Polestar tune) to hit the market, brand new; December 2015 was the build date. We drove it 50K miles, and we had not a single issue. I had read on forums of the some reported supercharger and even spark plug issues, but we never had a single issue with that car and those were extremely rare by volume. We loved it, but after our extended warranty ran out (which we never used), we had the itch for something else and couldn't justify buying a 2022/2023 given how our 2016 felt exactly the same (testament to the timelessness). Ironically, we bought one of the first off the line 2023 BMW X7 M60is, July 2022 build. I've had three CELs within the first 1,000 miles and had to have a Driver Assistant computer replaced, but mostly all of those were just errors on the screen and not anything I could feel any negative consequence with. My air suspension failed entirely recently, but I found steps online to reboot the air suspension computer and it resolved itself despite initially telling me dealer service was required. Our Volvo air suspension never failed. On air ride, I would get XC90 loaners often when I'd get my annual service, the coil spring XC90s rode so much rougher. My father has a 2015 Lexus RX350 he bought at the same time as we bought our XC90, every time he would drive or ride in our XC90 he was in awe about how much smoother the ride was and how awesome the air-ride was. I am similarly enjoying the X7's air ride, but I felt the XC90 air ride was night and day better than the coil spring XC90s, and the big Volvo community forum would agree with me based on "must have" options/opinions. On brakes, within the first year or so of ownership, the brakes squealed, there was a recall and the dealer replaced rotors and pads and we drove on those for 40K miles without issues. I used adaptive cruise a lot and we made 5 or 6 long road trips to Colorado mountains with a lot of cruise control and hills. I also only bought one set of tires, Michelin Latitudes (
seconded in that i too feel he may have gotten a lemon-like ve-hicle and feel his thoughts on getting a used "luxury" car with a warranty applies to many of the same tier products out there. a
Hey! Love your comment. I am an Volvo Technician here in Norway and i couldn't agree with you more. I came to this video curious to see what he had to say about the xc90 and it was all negatives. The issues that he has had with his Volvo xc90 is things i really don't see often in the XC90 T6. Since his car still had warranty i don't see the big issue, if the certified Volvo shop cant promise to fix his car when it still has warranty i really think that the workshop needs to better themselves. Or He needs go to another certified Volvo workshop. The XC90 has improved so much since it came out and i think this guy is forgetting that. Anyways i really hope the other XC90 owners are happy with their car because this guy was just totally unlucky. I really hope he gives Volvo a second chance for he will not repent. - Tomato Chips
Great comment. However: I don't understand why Volvo have discontinued their excellent R6 T6 engines and went all in on the 4 banger instead. I'm fully expecting the 4cyl engines are better for emissions on paper, reality is completely different though. I'm getting way better mileage from my pre-2016 t6 than what's being said here while using regular. I would 100% buy a v90 if there was a real t6 option..
@@kmier2000 Yeah, the 2.0L aren't as efficient as one would've hoped. I will say the old T6 engines were not efficient at all, they were also port injected if I recall. I think post-Ford/pre-Geely, Volvo really had no choice but to go with one architecture.
Had the XC90 T6 between 2017 and 2021. My experience is somewhere in between. Nothing as serious as suggested in the video, but I had to go to the dealership 4 times a year for service or something that’s gone wrong. During this time, the car had a failed seat heater, oxygen sensor, broken engine mount and steering wheel electronics. All fixed under warranty but it was still time consuming. Next is how it chews through consumables. For about 75000km, it was nearly through the second set of tires, rear rotors and pads replaced twice, front once, and both batteries replaced. Never had that many things replaced in previous cars before. Another thing I can understand between your comments and the video is the ride though. My car rode more like how the video described and I thought that’s normal, until I got a loan car once and it rode beautifully. I thought it had air suspension but turned out it was a steel spring. It also had 21” wheels when mine was 20”. I was so confused why mine rode so much worse and the dealership put it to change in model year. Mine also never stop smoothly because of stop start starting again when you reduce pressure on brake to stop smoothly. Again, another loan car didn’t have that issue but my complaint was considered to be fussy. On one hand I loved it to bits and swallowed all of its faults, but after I sold it with the warranty running out, I realised how bad the car was to own.
Volvos look new for a solid decade every generation. Even the 240 doesn’t look like anything else from the 70s
Because it is simple. That's the key to good design.
Loved my '04 S60, that thing was beautiful and such a nice engine. It got the electrical ghosts crawling around it though :( That 2.5T 5cyl was an absolute dreeeeeeam
Looking good is one thing, BUT as 1980s Jamie Lee Curtis shows us at the 2023 Oscar's, everything gets old and ugly. Now, would I rather have nice and unreliable or decent and reliable? I'll take reliability (like Toyota/Lexus) all day long over looks. Seems like since 2010 when Chinese owned Geely took over, Volvos have gotten much worse.
Wow...did u HAVE to go after JLC like that????
you mean like the Bavaria, 2002, Opel Kadett, Fiat 131 (tbf also came out in 1974).. pretty typical look for early 70s Euro bc remember those original 240 had round headlights
We have a 2021 XC 90 T6 momentum, no issues with drivetrain, suspension or any of the issues you mentioned. I think you had a lemon 🍋 honestly. Very reliable so far and would probably buy again.
Give it another year bud
Same here -- bought 2018 diesel model new and still happy with it. Fuel economy is very good: 8.6 l/km average, air suspension works like a charm, looks inside and outside like new still. I am only thinking about selling it because kids have grown up so I am mostly riding alone in that now.
My 2024 volvo also hasn't had a single problem since last week when I bought it. It's the most reliable vehicle I've ever owned. 11/10 would recommend
I've had my 2016 XC90 and it's still a great ride. I think he got a lemon.
Ummm, look at the last 3 years of this car, MANY have been having issues. So, if you’re saying well, he got a lemon, well times that by 1000! lol! Many have had issues with the XC90! What’s sad is from 2021 onward, it’s the same complaints, which means they haven’t made any improvements. Yeah, Volvo is Swedish, but it’s looking like more influence is coming from Zhejiang Geely Holding Group.
Volvo's 2 liter gas and diesel engines are about cost cutting and greenwashing. As mentioned in the video, German car mags have tested the diesel against 3 liter six cylinder diesels: same fuel consumption because the small Volvo engine had to work harder.
You're probably right, but it was just a small manufactor who needed just one engine for world-wide sale.They hadn't the money for more sizes and it can more easily serviced with the same parts.. The 2.0 is just big in some country's and in other is very small. But it can be made make enough power.
@@JJVernig Volvo may be small but they’re also owned by a whole other larger company. There has to have been opportunity from that to explore a more sensible engine platform than boosting a small engine thats small anywhere to hell.
small engines in europe is mostly to stay competitive on price/make money. engine size cost the buyer a lot.. in extra taxes
@@JJVernig As you can see just making the power isn't the point. It's still a 4-cylinder and such and engine will never have the refinement of 6-cylinder and the over complication of this drivetrain is ridiculous. They tried to go real green way too early. Everyone else offers more cylinders in this class, so there is no excuse for Volvo. They had a great I6 and even a V8 a few years back. This engine is terrible when the XC90 or V90 is loaded with passengers and cargo.
and comparing a 2 liter from volvo is not apples to apples with a 3 liter from another brand. meaning 2 liter vs 3 liter
Most car review channels (that I’ve seen) don’t speak to reliability so this is so helpful! I was considering this car but had the same concerns you mentioned. Thank you for this!!
Mark's Volvo experience is exactly what I was worried about when I was looking at buying an XC40. I'm not saying I would have had the same problem, but it makes me glad I went with the Mazda CX-30 instead. I've had no problems in the first 2 years.
I'm in almost the same situation, was all set on an XC40 or V60 but now I'm looking at a Mazda CX5 or 3 Hatch instead
And you won’t for another 4. And another 4 after.
We are lucky here in the middle east because its made in sweden not china
The XC40 is on the CMA platform. I think it rides very well.
@@benjaminsmith2287 I have a 2021 XC60 with 21” wheels on it. The ride is flinty at times. I recently had a 2023 XC60 loaner. The ride was wonderful. There’s not much dynamism from either vehicle.
I’m an insurance adjuster in CA that’s been dealing with a lot of water leak claims this winter. I’ve seen this on countless makes and models including Toyotas, Fords, Honda, BMW, Mercedes, Audi. While the majority are 10+ years old, some were only 5 years old or newer. In your case, if it’s not a drain tube, it could be a worn seal on the windshield or sunroof. PSA: regularly clean your sunroof drains and cowl grilles to remove any debris that may block the drain channels. If you don’t, water will go where it’s not supposed to.
We're coming to the end of a 2020 xc90 T8 lease and we haven't had any issues with the engine or the mechanicals. The tech inside decides to randomly just not work, more so on the s60 we leased alongside. Idk if it's because my parents drive like NPCS or if it's because we've just been lucky but this is the second XC90 (first one was a 2018 T6) and yeah weirdly no problems
No problems on our's either. I think they're hit and miss. We know two families who have leased multiple XC90's each and both love them to bits
I admire your straight talk on the Volvo. After your review of the Highlander, I was left thinking "why do they judge the Highlander so harshly" ... but your comments on the Volvo reminded me why I have never considered that brand. A mechanic friend of mine loves Volvos. He said that over the years, repairs on Volvos, put his two kids through college. Great video!
No different with a BMW and Audi. The warranty bills on my BMW made me dump it right before the CPO warranty ran out.
The Highlander might be more reliable than some. Aside from that it’s a horrible pile and I’d choose anything else in the class.
@@JakeDrives1 "might be more reliable?" Also stop stealing the word pile, it belongs to Mark and Jack exclusively.
@@misternordberg3675 yes, Toyotas aren’t as amazing and bulletproof as they once were. Also, I’ve been using the world “pile” for years. I love that they use it in their content. Don’t get your panties in such a bunch.
I have the V60 2015.5 and still happy with it. It's the same 4 cyl motor with turbo only. Not 4x drive. It's a great looking sport wagon drives flat in corners and is a good looker. We get 36mpg on hwy and 28 combined. To date NOTHING has gone bad on this car. Replaced brakes and tires. That's it. For now it's pluses keep me from going EV which will be my next step. Probably a Blazer next year.
I know someone who used to lease a xc90 that was nothing but grief, and it was the supercharger issue mentioned in this video that finally broke him. They told him because of lack of parts it would take half a month to fix (pre pandemic). There was about a month left on his lease at that point, so he told them he was done with it, walked to the bmw dealership across the automall he was at, and went home in a new x5 the next day, which he still drives and loves.
New X5 is great until it hits 50k miles and/or 5 years old. Out of warranty they become endless money pits. I know from experience. If you don’t believe me now, give it time and mileage and watch
@@stephendibari5010 Yes, keep propagating that same regurgitated narrative. Keeps the used prices low so I can scoop up these gems that aren't as bad as everyone thinks
@@On2wheels94 I made a mistake once in a used 2013 X5, fell apart before my eyes within 8 LONG months. This is why I now own a 2002 Lexus ES300. Best reliability on the road.
@@stephendibari5010 his is a 2019. I think it is a 4.0i? All I remember going wrong with it was the ac condenser leaking and a bad door lock actuator. I don’t know how much mileage he has but when the lease is up he said he will get another.
@@stephendibari5010 Extremely different vehicles. Lexus makes great appliances, nothing that comes close to competing with german SUVs though. Im sure you will be happy with your ES.
I had a 96 850 turbo platinum edition. I ran it to about 170k miles but then it was getting expensive to repair. I do miss it and as the saying goes, they don’t make them like they used to
The XC90 is arguably the best looking SUV in the market today, and with excellent ergonomics and practicality to boost. Still one of my preferred even with all its flaws… But I drive a Honda Pilot ;-)
Agreed my favorite luxury brand
>Excellent ergonomics >Touchscreen climate controls
Very important video. Thank you so much. I’d love to see your opinions on that X7 as well.
Sad you guys never got the turbo diesel. It's an old, but solid unit. None of the complication of the dual turbo and supercharger with more torque and better fuel economy. Way more popular than the petrol elsewhere for a reason. You can pick up one of these outside of the USA with the D5 and you know the engine (old and well known) and gearbox (built by Aisin/Toyota), from a reliability perspective, is as good as anything else on the road. Volvo had great petrol engines right before they decided to do this weird 4cyl experiment at the end. Yamaha 4.4L V8, 3.0L T6 (esp. in Polestar tune), 2.5L 5cyl Turbo. All solid, reliable, characterful engines (that all liked a drink though).
Yep, I'm rolling a 12 yo V60 with the 5 cyl diesel, have had only one problem - replaced one air pipe and that is it, everything just works.
I always get jealous when I go to Europe and see the diesel Volvos rolling around, such beautiful cars
Im a JDM and Jeep guy. What are the prices for parts like on these Volvo SUVs. Being Euro it shold be more expensive i guess.
@@iaskosam their 5 cyl diesels are very good, I've had a D3 5 cyl TWICE and I didnt have any engine issues
And don't forget about Volvo redblock engines. I have almost one million miles on mine.
I can say your experience is nothing like mine. I have a 2016 xc90 t6 so not the plugin but its been amazingly reliable. The only issue I had around 55k was covered under warranty after my warranty had expired. Its the longest I have owned any car because we just like it so much. My plaid S is a POS on the other hand.
What happened with the plaid
The t5 4cyl in my v60 has been wonderful. 145k and maybe the best car I've ever had. So moral is no air suspension and no t6 it seems.
It’s proven again and again that the less complications you have on a vehicle the longer it’ll last. The V60’s a beautiful car!!
145K? I think you paid too much my friend.
@@misternordberg3675 That’s how many miles/km he’s got on it.
The T5 is the only option I’d get with the SPA Volvos. Volvo has been doing regular turbo cars for decades, that’s their bread and butter. I won’t be surprised to see your car make it to 300k+
I've had a 2015 S60 T5, and I am done with Volvo, ever and ever. (VOLVO OIL CONSUMPTION CLASS ACTION)
Just shows 11:59 that it’s really impressive how much work Mazda has done at there price point to cancel out those specific vibrations
Except they didn't... Nor the MDX either... Im not sure what Mark is smoking but both of them suffer from these oscillations and body wobbliness in general.
@@an-dr6eu looking forward to your expert review. I'm sure Mark will learn a lot from you.
The new CX-60(70 in us). Has absolutely terrible ride quality unfortunately and the hybrid version is almost undrivable. Luckily they went with inline 6 engines as options.
@@guseks8413 how do you get this vast wealth of knowledge? Sounds like a fallacy
@@barbecuetechtips6024 the CX-60 is out in Europe and it has had alot of issues. Look at euro reviews of the platform and look at some forums and you'll find unhappy customers. Especially conserning the hybrid. The reason I have looked into it was because I was going to get one. But now I don't know what to get honestly.
My favorite kind of SG reviews, where he's brutally honest and lists all the actual things you'll want to know if you need to worry about!
That video title takes me back, way back, to the days when you "dumped the Mazda3". Days when Jack was in college, Scott Turbowski was slaying go karts, and ToddD was talking about a 50 year old truck.
Yeah it was a throw back. Time moves on to less exiting 3 row SUVs.
@@savagegeese I'm worried the disease of 3rd row everything (while refusing to just buy a fantastic minivan), will permeate so thoroughly we'll see 3-row pickup trucks. Perhaps EV Corvette will have a 3rd row. The 2045 Lotus Elephant will feature 3rd row seating.
I have an identically equipped 2017 XC90 T6 R-Design in the same Passion Red color (with 4 corner suspension, carbon fiber interior trim, Polestar software tune, Bowers and Wilkins, etc.) as Mark's 2019. I've had none of the issues that he reported except for having my brakes and rotors replaced last year at 55,000 miles. I did have an electrical issue with the taillights staying on after it was parked which was fixed under warranty 3 years ago, and hasn't resurfaced since. Overall, mine has been very reliable and trouble free compared to Mark's issues. I will definitely keep an eye out for those problems that Mark has encountered as I plan on holding onto mine for another couple of years at least since I purchased Volvo's 7 yr/100,000 mile extended warranty (I'm just under 60,000 miles on the odometer now).
Exact car I have. 130K. Most of the problems came early and were handled under warranty. We do have an evaporator leaking and no shops will touch it. Dealer wants $3500 to replace. For now I just add a can every month, but it will eventually have to be dealt with.
I’m a subscriber you and Jack do a great job. The only ones that lift up a car and go through the engineering under it. Who looks under a car when shopping? Much appreciated. Got a 2024 MDX Advance because Jack gets under it and talks about the wishbone suspension and negative camber. My question is, Mark what happened to your red XC 90 T6 r design that you did all that work to? What was your experience with that one? Keep the good work, I wouldn’t change your format at all 👍🏻
I rarely comment on videos, but I had to say I love the honest thorough review. Will definitely subscribe.
As a Volvo diehard, this video put into words what I’ve always feared about the SPA Volvos. I remember when the new driveline was announced thinking that there was no way you could throw “all the things” at a 2.0 4 cylinder and maintain the long-term reliability and durability that Volvo has made a name on. I just hate to see that I was right. Volvo’s whole schtick has always been interesting, but reliable powertrains. That’s how we got things like my 04’ XC70 turbo 5cyl that has 270k miles and still has the original turbo (only have had to replace seals), my 09’ XC70 T6 turbo inline-6 with 160k miles is following that same reliable path as well. I hope Volvo takes the lessons from the SPA cars and really, really irons out the powertrains in the next generation of cars. If not, Volvo will be losing a lot of long term clients. Which, for a brand with some of the largest returning-customer numbers of any brand, won’t turn out good for them.
There are no powertrains in their new generation of cars. They're electric and only electric. Volvo was actually first in going to all 4-cylinder engines (those who were using bigger than 4 cylinders). Toyota is headed in that direction as well now but they're going to hybrids with some EVs planned as well.
The only ones crying are the ones buying it used. People who lease (everyone first hand) don’t have issues and will stay with Volvo. It’s only you people who think you need to hold on to a car for 59 years that have issues with LUXURY cars mind you. Kind of your fault.
yep, I have a 2001 V70 XC wagon with 245k miles and original engine/transmission. The interior is infinitely better in terms of the instrument panel and all physical buttons/dials. The only thing I miss in my 2001 Volvo is having maps in a screen and phone bluetooth, but nothing else is better in a 2022/2023 Volvo. I have a Volvo 10-CD changer in my 2001 wagon that still works flawlessly and, together with my actual AM/FM radio, gives me instant audio music/news/etc., compared to my flaky 2022 XC60, which takes large amounts of time to "boot up" any audio, replete with error messages mucking up my infotainment screen so that I can't see my rear-camera view, if my audio comes on at all.
I love the engine in my '05 V70 2.5T, and when I test drove a few of the 2023 4-cylinder models, I was underwhelmed in comparison. Sure, the ride was much different, but the power and sound of the 4 cylinder are lacking. I also did not like the transmission behavior. Drivetrain is important to me.
@@donmoore7785 Understood. I never liked the idea of Volvo moving to 4 cylinder only but in retrospect it made business sense. At one time, Volvo had no 4 cylinders for sale in North America, just 5 and 6 cylinder inline engines. I feel Volvos still overall feel like Volvos and in time, will be smoother as BEVs. However, they should work on ride suppleness, road noise, and hopefully more consistent reliability because they've always had a hit or miss reliability record even back to the 1970s/1980s for some models.
I absolutely love your reviews. They feel so genuine and are filled with incredible detail and insight. They always feel honest. Thank you for taking the time to put these together for us. I'm looking at a V60, likely 2019/2020... and will DEFINITELY find a CPO from a Volvo dealer.
Non-owners might not know, but at least first year (2016) XC90 engines have piston ring design flaw and will eventually need the whole engine rebuild. Just google oil burning issue on the owner's forums. Poor used car buyers amazed by the interior and looks will get burned...Mark hits all the highlights on the other issues.
Savagegeese, thank you for your honest review! I currently have my Volvo XC90 in the Denver Volvo dealership, where I was quoted $7,500 for the out of warranty replacement of the ERAD (electronic motor and transmission). I tried to get in touch with Volvo about this issue and have not hear back from them on twitter!
wife has a 2021 T6 - absolutely no problems at all. Totally rock solid through 44k miles. The hybrid powertrain was just becoming available at the time - we decided to stay away from it. It seems we made a good decision. By the way, it gets 24 mpg routinely.
Your wife's car is less than 2 years old. Give it a little time.
Woww, that's pretty impressive.I always had the impression that Volvo's go to the junk yard after 30k miles.
lol funny to see people are so hyped with a two year car not having problems
Interesting video and quite different from my experience with the XC90. '17 T8 R-Design, drove it pretty hard and was pretty impressed. It handled super hot, super cold temps, car was great. Had no build quality issues or warranty issues. Brought it to like 66k miles with no check engine lights. No excessive tire or brake wear either. Highway milage wasn't great and the center screen would take forever to start up. Replaced with a V8 Mercedes GLS for just a touch more refinement, however. Guess we got a good one!
This guy just went a bought a trashed lemon. He is bulkshitting
My 2021 XC90 T6 Momentum has been a pleasure to own. The auxiliary battery failed, and the finish on the gear selector bezel started to peel. Both covered under warranty. The mesh fabric sunshade is under tension, and it's frame seems to have a slight rattle to it. Only complaint 25,000 miles in.
Just a note. I drive a Volvo S90 T6 and agree with you regarding the suspension and it’s odd high frequency reactions to road imperfections and impacts on bumpy roads. My car came with the Pirellis with the foam insert. Replaced those with Michelin Pilots and they were basically the same. Then I put Yokohama Advans on the car. Totally changed it. Really muted a lot of the higher frequency ride components. Less road noise too. It feels like a base 5 series now. I will take that.
That seat material and open pore wood in the interior is just so good. I know there are downsides to them, but it's a beautiful space.
What are the downsides?
@@TheBestblue486 Stains more easily and is more difficult to clean mostly.
A friend of mine had his break down on holiday in France. The nearest dealership had a number of them waiting for repairs, but my friend was impressed by being flown home for nothing with a replacement car then provided until his was repaired and sent back. I’ve always had cheap cars and I’ve never had a serious breakdown.
Considering the amount of issues you had with car from the get go it’s surprising to think you kept it so long. After the second rotor replacement I would’ve been begging this thing to be taken away! I guess in the middle of a busy life one can’t just ditch a support vehicle on the fly, but at least for this specific suv it sounds like a huge flop for ya
I always hear horror stories from people who have owned a Volvo auto. Now the Volvo vnl 760 semi truck is a different story. Most commercial drivers that run em' have had good experiences with them, especially the one's with a Cummins engine ( best balance of torque, fuel economy & reliability from my experience, anyhow).
That sucks you got a bad one. We’re on our second XC90 (‘20 T5 and ‘21 Recharge) and the only issue we’ve had was the sunroof motor on the old one. Transmission is excellent, and we’re getting 50-60mpg combined on the recharge. It handled a 2,000 mile trip in 100°+ without a hitch.
A car company producing more "bad ones" isn't bad luck though, defect rates are directly related to the statistics of how strict the quality assurance processes are during manufacturing.
Out of curiosity, what would you consider "low-mileage" for a 2020 at around $40k out the door? Really helpful to know that I should only consider the T5 option...also wondering how long you'd recommend extending/paying for the CPO certification for if most 2020's are good until ~2025 out the door?
My mom has had a 18’ XC60 T8 since New, 70k miles now, no issues other than one shock absorber being replaced under warranty. (Normal Shock not one of the air struts or springs) Definitely agree with the choppy ride, even with the air suspension you can feel small imperfections through your seat. We have a warranty until 100,000 miles and I patiently wait for something to go wrong.
I think that's more the tires than anything else, at least on mine
@@TheSmokeoi yeah. I’d agree. I thought I added that but I guess not. Was definitely better on the original Continental Cross Contacts than the Michelin Pilot Sport AS 3 that are on the car now.
@@TheSmokeoi also we once had a loaner with the 19” wheels and it rode a lot better, didn’t even have the air suspension. I wonder what air suspension combined with smaller wheels would ride like.
Great video. I always love your honesty. Keep them coming
If you watch from the 4 min mark onwards.. the comedic build up to the “thank god” at 4:30 is pure gold!
Best reviewers on tube. Love the way this looks but you’ve confirmed what I’ve suspected re build quality. 18 mpg? Barely beats my GX460 and let’s not talk about build quality comparisons, resale value, etc. Please do an X7 review. Thanks!
They just reviewed the 2023 X7 M60i, and since Mark has owned an X7 for a while now I'm sure you'll get a really comprehensive long-term review sometime soon.
@@ktakashismith Yep, I saw that and I should have stated I wanted Mark's review on his X7 and the issues he's having, if any. Given that he said its value is dropping like a rock, I bet there are a few, he should have gotten one with the B58. lol
@@paulbugoni2846 Generally BMWs do not depreciate because they have intractable problems that keep them imprisoned in dealer service departments. It's more to do with the fact that they're hideously expensive to own outside of warranty (BMW owner here, ask me how I know). On the S68 X7, I cannot even begin to fathom how much it would cost to, I dunno, replace an electronic wastegate actuator within the hot mess of the hot-v, dick around with a high-pressure fuel pump, replace the inevitably cracked PCV valve, disassemble the front end to replace the oil cooler gasket because your luxury barge is pissing 0W-20 everywhere, or any of 100 other godawful shit jobs that require 200 torque-to-yield fasteners.
I have the V60 2015.5 and still happy with it. It's the same 4 cyl motor with turbo only. Not 4x drive. It's a great looking sport wagon drives flat in corners and is a good looker. We get 36mpg on hwy and 28 combined. To date NOTHING has gone bad on this car. Replaced brakes and tires. That's it. For now it's pluses keep me from going EV which will be my next step. Probably a Blazer next year.
@@ktakashismith so, intractable, expensive problems that keep them in service departments...
I have owned the 2022 XC90 Extended Range Recharge for a year (sans supercharger and bigger battery with more power) and I agree with everything you say in this review. I also agree that the new Recharge resolves all of your issues except for the leaky roof. It also means that you don’t go through brake rotors because you are regenerating the battery as opposed to using your brake pads. I haven’t had the issue with the roof. My biggest issue with the car is driving it over the pothole infested roads of Minnesota. It is horrible. I’d rather be in my 2005 Highlander.
I spoke too soon. My car just threw a check engine light code for a battery module. I guess there was a error when it was turning on the battery. Basically a software issue. Easy fix, but another trip to the dealer.
thank you for posting this. I was looking at this as a family hauler but the problems, fuel economy and probably expensive out of warranty repairs knocks its off.
Adding the hybrid complication will likely make this a long term no go. Like many people have said the standard t5 was the way to go. 38k miles on my 2020 with zero issues. I did have warped rotors and after using non Volvo pads, I have zero issues (10k miles now).
I own a 2016 XC90 T6 Inscription loaded with air ride, Polestar, etc. and I have not experienced a single problem that you have described. I get 24 + MPG on the highway and 20 around town. I just upgraded the vehicle's modem to 4G. Still haven't seen anything that I like better. I'm sorry you have had such a lousy experience, but, I LOVE my Volvo!!!
100% about the fuel economy. I've had a XC60 T6 2018, and now I have a MB E63s (w213), and I don't notice much difference in fuel consumption in regular driving. So why go with a 2.0 juice box while you can go with a V8 and have the same fuel consumption...
It was nice to see your 5th cousin do the outro. Hope we see more of him, especially his flawless X90 Suzuki!
I have a 19+ xc60 awd and the T5 (turbo only 2.0L) is the only way to have it unfortunately. Over its lifetime I've avg 24.8 mpg and this is including longer trips at autobahn speeds while I was overseas. Unfortunately Mr. Goose is 1000% accurate of the complaints. I have gone through 2 sets of rotors in 40k miles the first set being at 12k. I had to stop using the adapative cruise control (especially on autobahn) because it is way to aggressive even set to the shortest distance. It rides the brakes hard if someone pulls out to the passing lane 200m up the road. It's so unnatural and makes people following you question your driving. I didn't realize just how bad it was till I rented a Mercedes E class and its system would coast longer and was way more natural. I dread hearing about the roof leak because my dealership experience has been pretty poor so far. When I went to get the brakes looked at around 12k they acted like they haven't seen this problem before and I should them the constant complaints online and they just played dumb. After further research I've found the oem pads overheat really quickly and are honestly just shit. I track my other car and understand braking systems, and it was sad to see the BS reasons they tried to feed me as if I was just another customer. I eventually swapped to a higher performing rotor and ATE pad, which dusts a lot more but holds up very well. Overall, it's the dealership experiences that make me want to run away....
The T5 in my XC40 has been nothing but perfect. I hope my panorama roof was built on a good day haha. I can also echo your complaint about the rotors.
I am on my second T6 and I agree with some of your points, as well as disagree with others. I hate the motor, it sounds terrible and is buzzy, but I have never experienced any of the supercharger issues you have. The suspension is harsh for sure and I wish it was less jarring, but overall it is livable. I have never experienced to oscillation you describe, nor have I had the brake issue you did. Of course, I don't hammer it like you do. The cost of the tires is not related to the car, that is just what tires cost. For me, the interior comfort and materials overright any issues I may have with the ride and engine. YMMV, of course.
I just sold our 2018 T6 with air suspension and didn’t have any issues he mentioned. That said, we did have AC leak problems from the get go. Other than that, I’d have to disagree with most of his points and agree with yours.
I had a 2017 diesel and didn’t have any of your issues. Not a single one. Only issue was that it burst several of the turbo air boost pipes. I had no issue with tire price because I had sensible 20” wheels but did complain about road noise even though it ran Contisilent. No worse than my previous Audi Q7 though. Changed it for a diesel Kia Sorento seven seater which is frankly just as good a car and very comparable indeed. Obviously I am not in the USA. Am thinking of changing back to another XC90 early next year. Really shocked that you actually bought a car that you so much didn’t like.
Amazing, to-the-point review. Gave me good insight about the different engines and potential issues if I buy one. I am looking to move from a 2019 Forester sport (love the car but not the CVT) to an XC90. Local dealers have a bunch of '20s and '21 models under $40k range. I am skeptical after hearing your reviews though!
Enjoyed the insight. Best part is that your points of view can be applied to other vehicle as you review cars. Such as, I have no interest in a Volvo, ever, but your thoughts can be applied to BMW. Thanks for the videos.
BMW straight six is solid amd you don’t normally get issues with BMW until after lease is over.
I’m from the UK and had a 2018 D5 Powerpulse Inscription Pro and it was amazing. Had it for 4 years and did 80k miles and loved every second of it. I do get the brake issue and it was annoying but I put the car in manual on long downhill sections to preserve the brakes. But I have to say this car turned me into a Volvo fanboy and can’t wait to own the next one.
UK here too. Had a 2019 T5 R-Design Pro and absolutely loved it. Just took delivery this week of our '23 B5 Ultimate and super happy with it. Don't seem to have many, if any of the issues i'm seeing in the comments here. Weird!
@@japanfred I think it's because he had the T6. I have a V90 D4. From what I understand the 4s are reliable, the 5s somewhat less so, and the 6s are quite iffy.
Hey Savage love your latest review...have been a fan for a long time. I take your sound system reviews seriously. May I suggest a review of the alpine upgrade that people are putting into thier tesla model 3/y. I would like to see your professional opinion if it is worth the price
Need to get hands on one.
This sounds like the complete opposite experience from what i had with my 2017 XC90 T6 Inscription w/air suspension. 40,000 mile with zero problems. Only had to go to the dealer for oil changes. I loved it
Love your videos, love the honesty!
Love the video and as a used to be xc90 owner I did love my car and I also did have my fair share a problems. I got rid of it for Mercedes and Mercedes wasn't any better it's a lot of technical issues but when it comes to a lot of other competitors one of the best competitors was Genesis I got my GV-90 and every problem that I have with both previous vehicles was gone so far having my GV80 is the best SUV I've ever owned so far it's been nothing but reliable technology is so quick it works just fine It rides amazing it's no Lamborghini but decent performance I have yet to ever have a problem with my GV 80 compared to my Mercedes and Volvo I felt like you missed out and not mentioning the Genesis gv80 cuz that's a really great vehicle.
I owned an XC90 in 2020. I absolutely love the car, but I had the brakes replaced multiple times, and I agreed they are completely undersized. I asked the service advisor what the brake replacement cost would be the next time it wasn’t under warranty, and the cost was exorbitant. I also had it in the shop for little problems here and there and for a luxury vehicle. I just felt like they could’ve done better. I had the XC 40 and was completely thrilled with it and had no issues. I probably should’ve kept it.
What do you mean by " Brakes" -- which parts failed? Master cylinder, Booster? ABS module? Calipers?
Would you recommend to buy an XC90 B6 now at the end of 2023? I trust the channel and appreciate your comments. Happy holiday BTW.
I'm crossing my fingers that we got lucky and we will not have these issues. We have (my wife's) 2022 XC90 T6 that was purchased 21' summer and with 25k miles in it, we had zero problems. Only 2 oil changes and a chipped windshield. I have an X7, the Volvo doesn't ride as nice as the bmw it's not as refined but it still is a comfortable ride. The engine must be tuned differently as well, because it's super smooth (not polestar), very torquey under 2500rpm but missing the top end power like the inline 6 bmw. However what we noticed is, that the transmission is smoother than the X7 in city driving, but slower gear changes if we push it. Anyway, thanks for the honest review and explanation .
I went with the 2023 BMW X5 45e instead (which has full air suspension). The ride quality is simply incredible. It's like riding around in a Rolls Royce Silver Cloud
Was waiting for this video, thank you. I have 2019 XC90 D5 with air ride. Transmission is boring as heck but car’s toys & space is amazing. No issues so far, but I did extend motor plan till 2027. Certainly glad I could get the diesel in South Africa.
Thanks for your blunt and honest review. I’m looking to purchase a 2016 xc90 t6 inscription. I’m trading in a Hyundai sonata hybrid with a ton of issues Hyundai can’t figure out. I’m definitely getting a warranty. I do love the tech stuff, but was wanting a real review. Thanks again man and I’ll be sure to watch the rest of your videos.
My first and only Volvo experience was riding in a 1980s 240 something, it was very basic and even had a manual transmission. I thought it was kinda cool like a Saab but quirky in it’s own way. Regardless of the shortcomings, there will always be buyers it seems.
Thank you Mark for the thorough review! I own a 2020 S90 T6 R-Design with Polestar tune, and thankfully I have not yet had many of the issues I'm sorry to hear you experienced. I'm not sure how many of those issues are quality related mainly to the XC90 but it seems that your particular car may have been riddled with those issues. This is how I know you're the best reviewer... the way you describe the characteristics of this car is SPOT ON! I agree 100% with your criticism of the ride, I believe there is a level of compliance or "planted-ness" that the German rivals have over the Volvo's ride. The infotainment is crap on the Google models, and I think that Sensus is WAY better (2019 and older were really bad). I really love my S90 and it's been very reliable at 20k miles so far. I have a 7 year warranty that I hope I won't have to worry about. When that's up, I'll see the EX90 in my future.
I have a 2018 S90 T5 at 50k miles. Hoping it continues to run since it’s the most simplified engine (turbo only).
I have a Volvo XC90 T8 Inscription 2020 with Polestar Tune. Had it since brand new and currently racking up 40,000km and it’s been absolutely problem free The 2020 SENSUS is the best doesn’t lag as well
Great review and flavor of the delivery, straight to the point. I am subscribing to your channel for those reasons, to many so called experts out there that sound like damn car salesman… my other favorite out there Care Care Nut Reviews.
2020 XC90 T8 R here, 10K miles-2years of ownership, zero problems so far except the rear camera working whenever it wants. It also extremely sensitive steering wheel that made me think for a while something was wrong with it, just to realize it’s a darn heavy car and it just steers itself following any little slope on the pavement. I do enjoy the air suspension, specially in the lowest setting, and yes makes the drive less comfortable but way more enjoyable to me. In windy or rainy roads I use the Polestar mode and I enjoy way more control over the car and it does a good job imo on motor breaking before bends and descends and way more control on the departures. Prior car was an 2015 Audi allroad which I still miss, indeed I got this general feeling of a “better drive”, previos car was a 2015 V60 T6 which had its engine fully replaced due to pieces of spark plugs falling into cylinders and 1K sport tyre replacement due to misalignment (not covered by warranty)
We still enjoy our XC90 T6 Inspiron, and our 1998 Jeep XJ. People had bad experiences with the XJ, told me not to get it, but I’ve had none of those issues. XC90 experience has been fine with a used 2019 since Sept 2021. Granted I drive less than 500miles a month and two or three times in that period. Looked at new MDX but the diminished cargo capacity was the primary concern compared with the Volvo. BMW x5 (and now x7) are hot, but I just need to haul kids, bikes and skis and save myself from lower back pain of a $35k Asian import vehicle.
I own a 2017 Volvo XC90 T6 Inscription. Drive like the day I got it from the dealership. Literally zero 0000 problem. Considering the harsh and extreme climate here in Toronto Canada. I have no intention of parting with my Volvo soon. 💪
How many miles? We also have a 17 T6 Ours is the R-Design.
@@jeffreywilliamson4863 70 km
The beginning of this I found confusing. You mentioned "2023" but then took us on a tour of the 2019 that you owned. I finally got your approach, but some explanation would have been helpful. I was wondering exactly what you were reviewing.
I have an XC60 and it's spot on consistent with this review. Great review overall!
That seat material screams, "I will never have children or own a dog." Perfect for a 3-row SUV! 🤣
I have a '18 XC90 T6 (bought new) that I daily. Will be 5 years old this summer. Not one single issue to date (whether under warranty or not). Maybe I got lucky. I get about 19-20 mpg local and about 24 mpg highway. The X7 is definitely better (but it should be at 150% -200% of the price of the XC90).
my 2008 xc 90 1st row passenger seat can be folded flat allowing me placing 9 or 10 ft lumbers in the vehcile. at 7:50 , this new one desn't seem to have the release latches behind the shotgun seat (lower bottom corner areas, supposedly one on left and another on right)
Your criteria describes my 2015 GX 460 Luxury: "... I needed a hauler. I needed a hauler for my camera gear. I needed something that I could use for a car-to-car type shooting vehicle to put cameras on it and then go cross country. So I wanted air ride. I wanted that comfort if I had to put this a little bit offroad so it could damp the cameras a little bit better than a sportier vehicle. And I wanted a really nice interior with an audio system..." I have the Mark Levinson sound system, air ride suspension, and semi-aniline leather seats. With both 2nd and 3rd rows folded there is 64.7 cubic feet of space. And a reliable, proven Toyota/Lexus drivetrain: the 1UR-FE 4.6L V-8 and the A760F 6-speed transmission.
Great video, I have always wanted an XC90 since they look so timeless. I never knew they had so many issues, such a bummer.
We’ve had two back to back 2017/2020 and both have been good. Only issue in the 210K combined mileage was an air suspension pump which was covered under a special warranty due to it being a known issue. That said, if I had half the issues he had with his 2019, I wouldn’t be as kind as he was in the video.
not all of the do. Roll the dice and hope for the best. But going to other Euro brands can result in a lot of issues with them as well.
Avoid pre-recharge T6. T5 is really the best option, current recharge models are great as they have ditched the supercharger. 1st gen T8s have some rear drive issues.
I have a 2019 XC90 R-design but the diesel version and I can't say I've really experienced any of the issues aside from the fact that the transmission is not amazing response wise. Never had any issues with warped rotors, and the infotainment system is actually quite good (so long as you get the 2019 onward which the tech was upgraded), it's personal choice really, but I've not heard great things about the new google infotainment.
1. It looks like he got a lemon. It’s impossible every XC90 has all these issues 2. Was it an emotional purchase? Loved the interior, cargo space and the sound system? Didn’t test drive to check out the ride quality etc?
Either you got a dud or we have the best XC90 on the planet. We picked up a CPO 2018 T6 two years ago and it has been mostly trouble free over 36,000 miles. I agree on the ride quality being an issue but it comes down to the huuuuge wheels they put on these things. I sized down to 18's for my winter tires and it totally changes up the ride. As much as we like it, we still picked up the extended warranty "just in case". For a family, the size and comfort can't be beat. YMMV.
The way you describe the door panel and interior makes me want it. Yes I listened to the whole video.
I have a 2019 T6 with about 45,000 miles. It has only needed regular maintenance and a new set of rotors on the breaks about 10,000 miles ago. It has been very reliable and I have no complaints about handling or ride quality. I have no experience with other luxury SUV's though. Maybe I've just got really lucky.
i drive volvos every second week as a rental for ~4 hour road trips for work and am so glad i didnt buy one when i was in the market for a new car a couple years ago. i hate the infotainment, i hate that a lot of functions are buried into it instead of just having physical buttons, i dont actually find the seats comfortable (mostly because its so difficult to figure out how to adjust some of their settings), the brakes feel weird, and the pedals in general feel so disconnected from the car itself.
Spot on. I leased a 2022 XC60 B6 -- my third Volvo and probably my last. There are a lot things I really like. Interior and exterior designs are great. But, the things I don't like have become deal breakers for me. Like Mark said, the infotainment is garbage. It's glitchy, the touch screen can be unresponsive and the entire system will crash from time to time. The trans can be super jerky, almost to the point where it feels like it's having a seizure. When there is a need for hard acceleration to get onto the highway or passing, there is a severe lag. If you mash the pedal to the floor there is literally a 1 second delay before it will downshift. This can be a pants shi**ing experience under certain conditions. I'm just under 20k miles and have not had any system failures, but I leased this for a reason. If you're planning to own one of these without a warranty, you had better have a maintenance fund set up. Supercharged, turbocharged, mild hybrid set up will fail, it's only a question of when. Overall very disappointing for a vehicle with a $63k MSRP. Big missed opportunity for Volvo in a hyper competitive segement.
totally agree w/ you and mark's experience. I grew up in a volvo family and my parents really wanted to get this xc90 when it first came out. We test drove it many times but it just didn't drive like a premium car that this current gen commanded. The engine was coarse, the infotainment was too complicated and slow, and the ride was just too flinty. But every reviewer raves about this current gen of volvos, so we were very confused. we have a reservation for the new ex90....hopefully it'll be a much more competitive car.
The annoying thing is I’ve learned driving in an s60 so I can’t even tell what’s bad with it for the most part. I only really know that the transmission is really slow to react. It does always feel like the car is numb or lethargic when I drive it quick with the 5000 safety systems constantly clicking in and out but yeah I wish I had a baseline that showed me what this car did wrong
John, I agree. I have a 2022 XC60 B5 Inscription - $60k+ - and the Infotainment Center is the reason I wouldn't buy another Volvo. Horrible and Unacceptable. It drives fine and I'm not getting the same transmission lag but there's so many stupid design 'choices' that are frustrating (sun visor that doesn't block the sun). I love the seat comfort and the acceleration but everything else is lacking. No locking glove box? I never know if the system will reboot or shut off the A/C and then miraculously work the next day. The app design is lacking. The service folks are not trained well. Again, I love the way it looks, and it's comfortable, but I need way more than that for the price. Oh yeah..... LOTS of wind buffeting with the sunroof open. Nope, not again.
@@stevethomas2285 Yep, and when the infotainment crashes it takes the climate control with it. Experienced this in the Carolinas last summer.
@@Wasabi9111 I don't believe Mark was that displeased with the driveability.
5:46 I never gave this a thought until you said it. I think the adaptive cruise control could be the culprit in my 2019 Ford Fusion too. .I drive conservatively, and usually on the highway. I also use the adaptive cruise control a lot when I drive (highway or stop and go traffic). I recently had to replace my front rotors as they were warped. I've been trying to figure out how my rotors could have been warped in such a short time since they were replaced 17,000 miles earlier. I don't do hard braking, I coast a lot, I give enough distance to slow down when approaching a stop light, plus I don't tailgate either. The adaptive cruise control on the other hand, hard brakes a lot. I think I'll stop using it going forward.
We bought a 2019 XC90 T8 in their overseas delivery program. Fully loaded with almost every option it came with. Absolutely LOVE it. We haven't had any of the issues you have experienced with the brakes or the transmission. I mean my dad has a hybrid lexus and it sounds horrible comparably when it changes from electric to gas. In the volvo you don't even hear the transition. You have to look at the dash to even know if its in gas or electric mode as slower speeds. When we plug it up every night we are getting like 600 miles to a tank. Put it in sport mode and it launches like a rocket. Keep it in hybrid and you can easily average in the 30-40mpg range without much effort locally. I changed the brakes at 40k and they looked like new brakes. Not sure how it didn't use any more brakes than it did. We did have the air conditioning compressor go out after warranty, which is a pain for a hybrid, but my and my dad changed it out to save a little. We were rear ended and have had some weird warning lights since then. The air shocks are not working currently but I think its all related to the crash. Other than that I feel like its a new car everytime I drive it. I hope I can replicate it with a new XC90 hybrid soon as we have 75k miles on this one, and the crash really soured it for us. Im not going near the all electric vehicles. We just aren't there yet. Not stopping for 3 hours to charge on a trip.
I just realized this is also called the Volvo 90 90. I could see what Mark was referring to in the shudder on that initial acceleration. I don't think I've seen it quite as bad on any other vehicle they've tested.
He was talking about shudder in the suspension. But honestly, I've noticed it in Acuras and even Mercedes (some of them). It's just Volvos, when they do it, which isn't always and they're perfectly fine on some roads, it's more pronounced than Mercedes at least.
I worked at a Volvo dealership when this generation XC90 came out. They sold very well, and undercut the competition in price by a good amount. But all of the early adopters of this vehicle had constant issues. You start to feel bad for people having to come in multiple times a week/month with issues that the dealer can’t resolve in a timely manor because the manufacturer themselves don’t even know what’s going on. I worked there for about of 3 years and problems were still just as bad. It is kind of disappointing that in the almost 8+ years it’s been out not much has changed.
Mark’s personal experience with his R-Design.m being a pile of crap is far from the norm, but obviously anyone who had to live with a lemon would be completely turned off by it and gotten rid of it. We have a 2019 XC90 T6 that we bought 9 months ago with 36K on it and now has 51K and has been rock solid. However, I would never get into a Volvo without a warranty, so that’s why we bought CPO and extended the warranty to a total of 10yrs/unlimited miles.
Thanks for your candor, as always
The problem with Volvos is that you really have to wait a few years before buying one, so all the design issues show their faces and then you know what engine / options to avoid, at least that's how a lot of people do it here in Europe. I bought a Volvo V40 ( VW Golf sized hatchback) that was 8 years old at the time and even though it was a used car, it was more reliable than some of the new Volvos at the time because I knew which one to pick based on all the information and experience available online. This model was offered with a shit ton of engine options, but the only truly worry-free choice was the 2 liter, 5 cylinder diesel with a manual gearbox, so that's what I bought. It was a phenomenal car, quiet, comfortable, even the base audio system was really good, extremely efficient with fuel, had good enough power and I never had a single thing fail on it at 8-10 years old and with 210,000 km. Meanwhile people in other V40s had their 1.6 Ford Ecoboost engines blown at like 80-100,000 km.
I always buy Volvos used. You're 100 percent right. tbh, I'd do that with any European car brand.
Got that second like in! I enjoy your channel and reviews, although 99% of the cars themselves don’t interest me at all. Both of you provide awesome presentations and thorough review as well as an honest opinion based on what you see and feel.
"99% of the cars themselves don’t interest me at all" - same here, so true, even some of the ones I can afford, the presentation is great though
@@MagicNash89 I enjoy their dad jokes and kiddish laughter when a car is absurdly fast or the look when the brakes really grab ahold. It makes the videos all that more amusing.
@@the_Scarlet_one Yup, exactly!😂
I drove clients in this 6 years ago when I worked at Koenigsegg as an assistant. Man it had the air suspension and I thought as well back then it was unbelivebly stiff, like unreal bad for the price. Even clients and customers complained, no matter how slow I drove over bumps it was bumpy and stiff
Thanks so much for your honesty. Everyone else reviews cars like they are salespeople for the brand.
Weird - I’m on my third Xc90, including two T8s. I have not had the problems you have had, and you must have been unlucky.
I purchased a V60 based on your review (a few years ago) and have no regrets. I got the Polestar upgrade and only thing I don't like is the handling (iPD rear sway bar is next). I convinced my wife to get a XC40 and infotainment is cringe. Gas mileage, like you say on the 90 is horrid considering a 2L engine. My same 2L on the V60 (w/ polestar) is nearly 10 mpg better. We didn't do any of the other "upgrades" like super charger or air susp, so maybe not spending is the better idea. Probably my last Volvo since you can't even get an ICE vehicle at my dealer. Just "Recharge" and "Mild Hybrid"... whatever that is.
"mild hybrids" are marketing BS. they're regular ICE cars with beefed up batteries and starter/generators, to make auto start-stop more smooth, so us plebs would quit shutting the feature off. (and also so they can claim their entire lineup is "electrified.") basically think of how a manual transmission car will move if you put it into first gear before hitting the ignition, and know that mild hybrids are designed to do that without the starter burning up and the battery going dead.
Mild Hybrid is very much ICE, just with some extra boost from a battery for the get-go + super smooth engine start (especially good for start-stop function).
I recently hired a 2023 Volvo XC40 for a few days, the infotainment didn't freeze nor crash once, it was super responsive and quick. It was a very basic Google system and not a patch on Tesla which has the best infotainment I've seen, but it was was totally fine. It must be a new version.
@@disarchitected the worst thing about volvo infotainment (and android automotive in general) is we somehow went from [this f'n thing doesn't have apple carplay?!] to [this f'n thing doesn't have android auto?!] The most insidious thing about android automotive, is it is silently ushering in a future, where we will have two data plans. one for our phones, and one for our cars. I already pay for data for my phone. don't make me figure out how tf to get tidal installed on my car, i just want my infotainment to be a vessel through which I can interact with my phone.
OK, I didn’t get that far. I just assumed you could log in with your google credentials and just download the necessary apps and it would work similarly to something like Netflix across platforms. The Volvo comes with 4 years of data / subscription included in the UK. Not sure how much it costs after that.
Got rid of my 2019 XC90 and got a 2022 Lexus GX460 (with last of the V8’s) . . . Couldn’t be happier.
In 2002 I was in the market for a new suv. The finalists were the xc90 and the lexus gx460. The deals on both were similar to the penny, so it came down to the Volvos beauty and the gx460’s overall reliability. I was intuitively concerned about a small turbo charged and supercharged engine driving a full sized (heavy) suv, vs the tried and true V8 in the gx. Ultimately I went with the Lexus, and after one yr+ of ownership, couldn’t be happier. Contrary to the experiences delineated in this video, the gx has been absolutely flawless. Anyway, the above is just my contrasting experience. The purchase of a new car is ‘big ticket’, so anyone pondering their options must make their own decisions based on their own research and aesthetic tastes. Good shopping…
My wife's s90 gets 19 lol, I've never seen any t hing destroy rear brakes like these things it's bananas
Mark, the BMW X5 45e (and new 50e) PHEV’s have been garnering tons of attention lately! I think the public would love some attention to be given to these news luxury BMW PHEV’s that are growing in the market! Give us your thoughts!!!
absolutely the benchmark PHEV Luxury SUV in my opinion. The design, quality, ride & also reliability of the drivetrain are just too good.
I've had a 2017 one from brand new and never have I had a problem and get 60mpg
thank you for being honest. a lot of people go for the aesthetics and don't think about practicality. I don't want sun/moon roofs because overtime they have problems as you've described. As long as the entire cabin can heat or cool, that's all a person should need; just crack the windows. Also having a moon/sun roof, there's less metal protecting you. Too much emphasis is placed on wants and not need. we can have nice things as long as they don't compromise practicality. It also depends on the brands you buy (for anything). Like are they known for reliability and quality or just the pretty stuff.