An Arabic Bible? | The Origin of the Qur'an's Theological Vocabulary
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This is a clip from the earlier interview with Dr. Jack Tannous about the possibility of an Arabic version of the Bible in the 7th century as a way to explain the Qur'an's theological and administrative vocabulary. You can find the full video here: • Jack Tannous [II]: Chr...
I can understand why Muslims in the comments section are upset and trying to cope. But guys please, offer some constructive criticism instead of just throwing insults and trying to demonize people so you disqualify them from having their content examined
It is sunny da’awists and trinitarian protestants that are having intolerant debates which pushes people away from the ways of God,. We Quranites and our bretherns the Biblical Unitarians have very constructive discussions which bring people closer to the ways of God.
i suppose what you'd need is to provide any actual argument against islam. a theoretical arabic bible which lacks even a shred of proof for its existence and isnt attested to LOL
@@economician Christianity and Islam have nothing in common. There is nothing to discuss.
The question is what is there to reply to. This is a weak theory cause all I have to ask is : show me the bible that the Quran copied from , see 🙂
@@multechpro7151 it's the reality, not a theory. Without the bible, there wouldn't be a Qur'an I couldn't tell you which version of the bible inspired the invention of the different Qurans. Its not exclusively plagiarized from the bible, there are many pagan teaches and practices that made its way into the Qurans and Islamic teaching generally
Keep up the content. Thank you again
I like this guest. Interesting content and great delivery style. Gonna watch the full version. 👍
"Arabiyaa" meaning perfectly weaved word , clause , parabole and metaphors ..... its like kofta ..( well blend with different ingridient by Allah ) creator of all realm
Great vids Gabriel. I do believe you two will find it fascinating that the first verse in the Quran إقْرَأْ بِاسْمِ رَبِّكَ الَّذِي خَلَقَ “Recite in the name of the Lord who created” (al-` Alaq 96.1) , and the first verse of the Hebrew bible בראשח ברא אלהים את השמים ואת הארצ “In the beginning God(s) created the heavens and the earth” (Genesis 1.1) , are ALL (EVERY SINGLE WORD AND PREPOSITION) of Phoenician origin, a language deeply marginalized and rarely talked about except in the Semitic philology circles. It pre-dated Hebrew and Aramaic by at least 500 years, both of which predated classical Arabic as we know by another 500-700 years. the word QR' in the Quran is mentioned in several Phoenician and Punic inscriptions e.g. [Ph. KAI 10.7] and means "'to read, call, invoke". The word BR' in the Hebrew Bible e.g. [Pu. CIS I 347.4] means "form, create, mold, engrave" in Punic (presumed Phoenician root). There are hundreds of "Arabic" words in the Quran and "Hebrew" words in the bible that are all but Phoenician. (Le Nabi Phénicien)
No, that doesn't make them Phoenician.... It is because Phoenician is another Semitic language, so it is a closely-related language to both Hebrew and Arabic.... Phoenician is actually a lot closer to Hebrew.... Not only are they both closely-related Northwest Semitic languages, but they are both considered to be forms of Canaanite..... That is, both the Phoenicians and Hebrews are considered to have come from the Canaanites....
I think at 13:50, Jack Tannous has a point regarding the Quran citing scripture from the Bible. I discovered for myself by reading the Quran, that the author of the Quran had used 2 consecutive verses from the Bible to supply the ideological content to compose 2 consecutive verses in the Quran. This is as follows: I'm labelling the first and second verses of each respective couplet, as verse A and verse B: *QURAN 57:3-4"* *.A:* (verse 3). He is *the First and the Last* , and the Outer and the Inner, and He has knowledge of all things. *B:* (verse 4). It is *He who created THE HEAVENS and THE EARTH* in six days, then settled over the Throne. He knows what penetrates into the earth, and what comes out of it, and what descends from the sky, and what ascends to it. And He is with you wherever you may be. God is Seeing of everything you do. .....In the above verses Surah 57:3 and 4, we see that *A* has THE TITLE: The First and the Last" followed by *B* , which has a CREATION SUMMARY. ....Now if we look at Isaiah 48:12 and 14, we see *EXACTLY* the same! *ISAIAH 48:12-13* *A:* (verse 12) Listen to me, O Jacob, and Israel, whom I called! I am he; *I am the First, and I am the Last.* *B:* (verse 13) *My hand laid the foundation of THE EARTH, and my right hand spread out THE HEAVENS* ; when I call to them, they stand forth together. Again in Isaiah 48:12-13, *A* has the TITLE: "the First and the Last" and *B* has a Creation Summary,....just as in Quran 57:3-4 It is apparent that the author of the Quran, was using the contents and the ideas from the 2 bible verses of Isaiah 48:12-13, to create his 2 verses in Surah 57:12-13 !! The implication of this is obvious. Not only was this not from a god because it was copied, but since it was copied, THE AUTHOR WAS NOT ILLITERATE! What this means is that far from the author being 'illiterate', he actually did this quite carefully, trying to conceal and disguise his source by changing the words he read in Isaiah 48:12-13. This is NOT work of someone who can't read or write, but the work of someone who was trying to hide the source of his ideas! Furthermore, the order in Isaiah of Earth, then Heavens, appears to have been swapped to instead say 'Heavens and then Earth' in Surah 57:4, making the source in Isaiah, less obvious to detect. Now having discovered this for myself, I am convinced that this cannot be any co-incidence, because the odds of this happening with 2 like for like consecutive verses, by some random event must be pretty impossible! So for me, I don't accept that biblical texts were not available to the author, because this evidence alone raises the spectre that these two verses were carefully crafted from the Biblical text of Isaiah.
Pretty interesting, I won't agree on plagiarism, but I will say that ALLAH, the God, the creator, the most wise, all knowing is perfect in how he sends the revelation across vast spectrums of languages , minds and understanding, and his synchronization is perfect, he is the master and all is math is perfect , because I can point out something that you missed that's amazing mathematically!😮 if you take both verses from quran and Bible and add up the numbers they both are perfectly equal ! Quran 57:3 [5+7+3=15] ...Isaiah 48:12 [4+8+1+2=15]! Then 57:4 5+7+4=16]. And 48:13[4+8+1+3=16] 😮😮😮😮 now what's the odds of that ? 🤔 ALL PRAISE TO THE MOST HIGH
And, indeed, full well do We know that they say, "It is but a human ( Abu-Warqa ) being that imparts [all] this to him! -[notwithstanding that] the tongue of him to whom they so maliciously point is wholly outlandish, whereas this is Arabic speech, clear [in itself] and clearly showing the truth [of its source]. (103)
This very verse points to the borrowing (diffusions) of foreign vocabularies in Arabic before and after Islam. This is a normal human phenomenon. Cultures interact thereby facilitating diffusion of material and non-material elements of cultures. The protagonist of the Quran in this dialogue (verse) took cultural diffusion for granted and responded apologetically (theologically) to what might not be a point of debate to many early hearers of the Quran. The Quran does claim to be independent of Judeo-Christian religious belief system but a confirmation. Therefore, the Quran will obviously perpetuate (or adopt) theological concepts and vocabularies of these preexisting religions.
When was the First Arabic Bible issued?
sometimes late in 1000
The earliest surviving Arabic Bible texts date from the 9th Century!
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@@jacobmathew710 so 236 years after the death of Prophet Muhammad (May ALLAH's Ta'ala Prayers, Peace and Blessings Upon Him)...
@@alaaaljarad3172 yes 250 years after the Arab Rebellion, there was no Muhammad a prophet in 7th century...
Hello to all. Arabic Gospel? I know about the Bahaullah (died 1892) al secolo Hussein Ali, he declared to be a Prophet of Allah, he "revealed" a book called Iqan, there are many quotation from Gospels and one citation from Bible. But revealing Gospels in arabic, he "copied" verbatim the arabic translation of englishman Castel from the Sacra Biblia Polyglotta of Brian Walton!! 18th century
Qur'an has its own special vocabulary. Biblical stuff has a more folkish, vulgar text. Some Arab tribes was living close to Christian or Jewish communities. However, their language was not close to arabic of Qur'an.
Thats because Al-Quran was revealed in Quraishi dialect, to Prophet Muhammad which was from the Quraish, and Bani Hashim.
Allah is what ? btw how to say God in Jesus's original language "Aramaic"
Elah considering both aramaic and Arabic are from the same language group
@@dodo_berg1230 in Arabic it’s lah
The Arab Christians didn't refer to their book as injeel, even in the time of Muhammad it was referred to as kitaab ul muqadasa ( holy bible ) never injeel , they accepted this title or convinced everyone this is what Quran is referring to
Muhammad got that from Ethiopian because Ethiopian they used to call they bible wenjel
@@light6935 They used to ? What they don't call it wenjel now ? If Muhammad got it from the Ethiopians why isn't it called wenjel in Quran but injeel , ? Injeel is a description of a person , like jibreel Michaeel , etc injeel is a person not a book , only Torah was given before Quran , no Bible sorry to say they made that up , if anything the Bible is a rectification or an attempt at restoring the Torah
@@thebeesnuts777 bruh what you smoking
@@thebeesnuts777 Ethiopian still call it the new testament wenjel where it mean good news Also more than 200 Ethiopic loanword appeared in Quran
@@light6935 Good news in Greek is evangelion , you say wenjel , Injeel is closer to angel in its word form angel in Greek means messenger or Godly person , therefore Injeel is descriptive of a being/person not a book ,and yes there maybe words in Quran that share Ethiopian word meaning because of the vicinity of the languages
The main problem is that you believe in the story that the quran was created in a short period of time in Mecca/Medina by a guy called mohammed. The quran is a compilation of several different texts of varying origins. Each of these texts may have had a different origin. The quran is filled with references to christianity. Therefore, large parts of the quran must have originated in a christianised context, i.e. not Mecca.
Gabriel, your guest misses an extremely important point: The quran seeks to CORRECT me [I'm an Orthodox Christian]. How can the quran correct me, unless it proves to me first that it knows what I believe? The quran does not even mention the words "Holy Trinity", or "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit".
22:50 the only explanation left is to say God told him about these stories (We tell you [Prophet] the best of stories in revealing this Quran to you. Before this you were one of those who knew nothing about them.) surah Yusuf - 3 Surah ad-dokhan - 8 (there is no god but Him: He gives life and death--He is your Lord and the Lord of your forefathers
Qeryana - Quran Palestinian Syriac Lectionary
I wonder if you have seen dr Luxemburgs two latest videos where he presents his hypothesis that the Quran is a trinitarian Scripture? In the centre is his hypothesis of the syriac meaning of As Samad which in syriac means the binding of grapes, that is a plurality joined together as one unit or a plurality paired as one unit. He argues that Allahu As Samad means the trinitarian God. The traditionalists argue that As Samad means the eternal or the absolute God. My hypothesis is that based on the syriac origin it means neither the Trinitarian God nor the Absolute God but instead it means the Unitarian God that is the Biblicaly unitarian God. I have explained my hypothesis in the comments of Luxemburgs videos and would love to hear your thoughts Gabriel regarding As Samad or maybe that you invite Luxemburgs to your show to discuss his hypothesis.
I’m not sure why you think you have a gotcha moment. This is not it.
All Christian and Jewish writings after 6th century has been heavily influenced by Muslim thinking.
N po
Waraqa was a Jew not Christian.
Christian according to Hadith
The most you can do with these funny arguments is to repeat it in closed circles Not against actual muslim schoolers cause it won't fool anyone Even young islamophobes who pick up these arguments thinking its true End up a laughing stock when they bring it up in a real discussion So keep it up 👍
Why do Muslims and transgenders accuse people of non-existent phobias?
It's impossible to fool those "actual muslim schoolers" since they are actually the biggest fools themselves, not to mention people who follow them blindly. Clearly you are just hurt by the fact that not everyone believes in the stupid Islamic hoax like you do. You should keep this attitude for the next 100 years, and gradually Islam will turn as the most embarrassing laughing stock in the world - so embarrassing that it won't even be displayed in museums
Muslim scholars 😂 Specialist in myths and fables with added lies 😂 Just like Christian scholars 😂
Cope.
@Akram_El-Masry You still use that word "Islamophobia"?? It's 2023. You live in a world of fairytales my friend.
I like the idea that the Arabs of Muhammad's time were used to bad translations. Lack of accurate lexicons, hasty desires and contending with oral traditions may have led to a confusing and undesirable product. When Muhammad produced something elegant, it caught on as something desirable and explains its claims to being imitable. It was different, but not so much that it requires inspiration. Of course, what may have been an early sect of Christianity was hijacked by those who used it for political gains.
You just highjacked academic research to distort the facts and formulate just another exclusively hypothetical conspiracy theory. Get a job! You got too much time on your hands.
@@fadiljelin7297 Why does it upset you? Just move along if you are not interested.
@@chrisazure1624it's fake news in guise of research.
Not at all. If at all they had some similarities it was with Judaism. They really took the Trinity through the bleachers. Christianity is Idol worship
@@QuranicInsights-jb2lt Islam is nothing but a blend of Judaism, heretical Christianity and pagan practices. We can tell from the apocryphal sources Muhammad used, that he had no idea what orthodox Christianity taught. We don't believe in three gods and if Muhammad was hearing from allah, he would have known that. Your lack of understanding is based upon the same poorly informed background.
Prof Gabriel are lecturing in the Catholic University, so it's only natural he's trying to questions the origins of Qur'an from Christian perspectives. Is it true? No it's not! Waraqah ibn Naufal stories (yes there are conflicting traditions about this) are khabar with no established (problematic) chain of transmissions just as stories (another conflicted versions)about Bahira, If one apply methodology basing this "gossips" then one will see an apologist attempt to undermine the Glorious Qur'an. Professor Jack Tannous is spotted stating all those traditions are nonsense. Keep trying Prof Gabriel. Peace
Some critical scholars put more stock in "problematic" chains of transmission due to isnaad fabricators wanting to fabricate strong isnaads, which will be weird to typical Muslim scholars. Not sure if that's the perspective here or not
Dr. Tannous just blew Shoemaker’s hypothesis about Quran out of the water. As if Dr. All-Jallad’s research findings were not enough. That’s why Shoemaker had to offer his new book about Quran for free. Shoemaker will still have his cult following outside the academia among the far right white Christian nationalists as their 2nd best favorite author after Robert Spencer who is their number one.
Muslims here are mad in the comment section because topics like this exposes them to a harsh reality of their Quran 😅
Not really. The conversion rates speak for themselves, and true intellectuals consume the ignorance and end up researching the Quran at it's roots and convert. Every other religion is in decline while Islam continues to grow rapidly.
@@phillipholland6795 😂😂😂 don’t be fooled by Islamic propaganda, Islam is also declining. Yes Islam is growing in the west and that’s because it’s still edgy at this point and many ppl saw it as substitute to Christianity bcos of their ill informed knowledge of the religion. Also Muslim women has higher birth rate, but this trend won’t last forever, It will slow down. But have you taken a look at the Middle East? Islam is loosing numbers in the Middle East as well, all religions are on the verge of decline. A new form of religion will emerge and that will be a religion focused on the world’s problem and how to solve it rather than an external view of the world where you’ve to die to go to paradise which is just a mere fairytale.
Yes, you're absolutely right.... Just like the harsh reality that Jesus has been a dead pile of bones for nearly two millenia, and that humans are nothing but a species of ape, pathetic wannabes running around looking up at the sky with craniums full of delusions of grandeur and vivid imaginations, longing to be something bigger than the ape shits they really are......
@@phillipholland6795Breeding rate. Not conversion rate.
@@1sanitat1 Nah, because breeding rates throughout Africa and India are through the roof and they are polytheists, it's the conversion rates.
who cares? The real question is; which doctrine and religion is offering solutions to humanity current crisis?! Humanity faces distinction and destruction now?! who is facing these challenges Christianity or Islam?
Christianity. Islam does not offer anything other than formulaic tradition. It can't address the heart issues, only behavior.
Both try to offer solutions, but this is an academic channel which does care about such historical questions.
@@1001011011010 Sure...An Honest History Is Good But A Biased and Putting Poison Into Honey History Is Really Bad...No Matter what History is PAST...We are NOW...Christianity TODAY is going with the flow and is appealing to Satan and Devil at all levels...The devil sickness of homosexuality is being accepted by Almost ALL Christian Churches and you are telling it is offering solutions?!!!!
@@1001011011010 Islam offers problems baked into its false claims. It does not offer solutions. Academia needs a purpose other than just coldly discussing origins. It is great to dispassionately discuss ideas, but in the end, we need solutions as our world falls apart.
@@chrisazure1624 Solution doesn't mean "correct solution". Scientist A can offer a solution to some problem, and Scientist B can offer a different solution to the same problem, but one could be right and the other wrong, or they could both be wrong. But they still both offered solutions. If you would rather not look into historical questions then maybe don't go to videos specifically addressing that very topic...
meanwhile in holy book of islam, what a family of profit moe!!! who were these slaves of al lah in hell fire? Abdullah ibn Abd al-Muttalib (father) Amina bint Wahb (mother) Abd al-Muttalib Shaybah ibn Hashim(grand father), Servant of Muttalib a pagan origin of name muhammad! Muhammad, in full Abū al-Qāsim Muḥammad ibn ʿAbd Allāh ibn ʿAbd al-Muṭṭalib ibn Hāshim, (born c. 570, On the seventh day he made sacrifice for him and invited Quraysh to see him. When they had feasted, they asked, "O Abd al-Mutalib, what have you thought of naming this son of yours you have honoured?" "I have named him Muhammad," he replied. "Why", they asked, "have you preferred him not to have one of the names of his kinsfolk?" "Because I wanted God to praise him in heaven and His creatures to praise him on earth," he replied. The name Muhammad (ﷺ) was given to the Prophet by his mother and grandfather. the name Mohammed carries the meaning of “the praised one” or “the one who receives praise.” who is this pagan god, al lah of his mother and g father, was praised to? al lah said these is my seal of profit. WOW what a hahalala religiom
huh?? 😂
How to know that a book is authentic or not. you have to look at the source it is came from. Was the Quran given by Gabriel? Where is the evidence? Was Muhammed a prophet? Who says? What is the criteria to declare anyone a prophet? Ask from the people of the book! Muhammed’s own life story tells us a lot wether he was prophet or not, His marriage with Ayesha the child bride His sexual relationship with zainab the wife of his adopted son, Allah flipped his heart to lust? Killings of Jews and Christians and taking women as sex slaves Having sex with slave women after killing their husbands and families Telling absurd stories of Jinn and magic Received satanic verses from devil When I evaluate the source which has thousands of reasons to convince me that Quran is not a Devine revelation. I don’t need any petrodollars funded PHD to believe that Quran is a so called SMART BOOK. You have eyes but can’t see You have ears but can’t hear Change your glasses of belief so you can see the truth.. And truth will set you free! Accept Jesus Christ as your saviour.
Who. The fraud you claim to be the son, the father and Satan? He is diablos, Lucifer and so is Paul
yes, and all religion is bogus, the end
@@gibbano101 yet you are busy here. Seems like it's an addiction for you
@@QuranicInsights-jb2lt and maybe I need your fantastical book and revelator to fix me? :-) No thanks. Normal life is better.
@@gibbano101 Do you believe that human beings evolved from the random interaction of molecules or monkey?
Christianity we now know is failing - problems of Trinity, Greek authorship of the Gospels etc.. It might, therefore, be proper to say that a kind of Christian thought shall survive through Islam!
We are not going anywhere...its Islam that is failing, Muslims are leaving Islam and becoming christians, 10 million every year.
Islam is heretical Christian cult of Arabs...Trinity is the only Monotheism in the Bible...
New testament was written in Greek because it was the language of that time that the whole empire understood, so Christians were able to reach wide audience unlike Aramaic which was only spoken in levant.
Muslims are ignorant and in illusion that they are winning In reality they are not Look in Muslim countries, Muslims running from sharia law. In Iran almost 50% mosques are closed Saudi Arabia have music shows now which women and men enjoy together There is a tsunami of apostasy has been erupted and people are leaving Islam in flocks Birth rate is reducing in Islamic countries With the advent of internet Islam is being exposed every moment Christianity has been survived for thousands of year and will survive by the grace of Jesus. Hallelujah 🙏
@@jacobmathew7101> all the scriptures (the psalm, the Torah and injil/gospel and Al-Quran) was all is revealed to spread monotheistic teachings/The Abrahamic faiths . The Qur'an is not exclusively for followers of Islamic sharia. (Sharia: the ways, rules and laws created by Allah SWT that must be obeyed by humans). But it is mentioned for all believers, i.e. those who believe in monotheism, whether they are Christians, Jews or other monotheistic faiths in the Community and the believers who are monotheistic Allah (God) refers to them as Muslims , >the messiah Iesa/Isa/Iesous(Latin Greek)/Yesous/Yhohshua [i.e., Jesus] is descendant of the prophet Abraham a prophet and the messenger of god from the human race created from the element of earth and the Holy Spirit [i.e., the angel Gabriel] the messenger of god from the angelic race who conveys god's revelation. > Lineage the messiah Iesa [i.e., Jesus];Adam ⇒ Shitt ⇒ Anusy ⇒ Qinan ⇒ Mihlail ⇒ Yarid ⇒ Idris(Enoch)⇒ Matusyalih ⇒ Lamak ⇒ Noah ⇒ Sam ⇒ Arfakhshad ⇒ Shalih ⇒ Abir ⇒ Falij ⇒ Ra'u ⇒ Saruj ⇒ Nahur ⇒ Tarakh ⇒ Abraham ⇒ Ishaq ⇒ Yahudza ⇒ Farish ⇒ Hashrun ⇒ Aram ⇒ Aminadab ⇒ Hashun ⇒ Salmun ⇒ Bu'az ⇒ Uwaibid ⇒ Isha ⇒ David ⇒ Solomon ⇒ Rahab'am ⇒ Radim ⇒ Yahusafat ⇒ Barid ⇒ Nausa ⇒ Nawas ⇒ Amsaya ⇒ Izazaya ⇒ Au'am ⇒ Ahrif ⇒ Hizkil ⇒ Misyam ⇒ Amur ⇒ Sahim ⇒ Imran ⇒ Maryam(Mary)⇒ Isa/Iesa(Jesus) >mention!; And We did certainly give Moses the Scripture [i.e., the Torah] and followed up after him with messengers. And We gave Jesus, the son of Mary, clear proofs and supported him with the Pure Spirit [i.e., the angel Gabriel]. But is it [not] that every time a messenger came to you, [O Children of Israel], with what your souls did not desire, you were arrogant? And a party [of messengers] you denied and another party you killed. (Al-Quran 2:87) Allah There is no god but He, the Alive, the All-Sustaining. He has revealed to you [O Muhammad],the Book with the truth, confirming what has been before it, and has sent down the Torah and the Injīl (Gospel) before, as guidance for the people. And He revealed the Criterion [i.e.,the Quran]. Indeed, those who disbelieve in the verses of Allah will have a severe punishment, and Allah is Exalted in Might, the Owner of Retribution.(Al-Quran 3:2-4) >(Remember the time) when the angels said: “O Maryam(Mary), Allah gives you the good news of a Word from Him whose name is the Messiah Iesa, the son of Maryam (the Messiah, Jesus,son of Mary) a man of status in this world and in the Hereafter, and one of those who are near (to Allah). He shall speak to people while (he is still) in the cradle, and also later, when he is of mature age; and he shall be one of the righteous.”She said: “O my Lord, how shall I have a son while no human has ever touched me?” Said He: “That is how Allah creates what He wills. When He decides a matter, He simply says to it ‘Be’, and it comes to be(Al-Quran 3:45-47) Surely We have sent down the Torah, in which there was guidance and light by which the prophets, who submitted themselves to Allah, used to judge for the Jews, and (so did) the Men of Allah and the Men of knowledge, because they were ordained to protect the Book of Allah, and they stood guard over it. So, do not fear people. Fear Me, and do not take a paltry price for My verses. Those who do not judge according to what Allah has sent down are the disbelievers. We prescribed for them therein: A life for a life, an eye for an eye, a nose for a nose, an ear for an ear and a tooth for a tooth; and for wounds, an equal retaliation. Then, if one forgives it, that will be expiation for him. Those who do not judge according to what Allah has sent down, they are the unjust. We sent ‘Īesā (Jesus) son of Maryam (Mary) after those prophets, confirming the Torah that was (revealed) before him, and We gave him the Injīl (Gospel) having guidance and light therein, and confirming the Torah that was (revealed) before it; a guidance and a lesson for the God-fearing. So let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed in it. And those who do not judge by what Allah has revealed are ˹truly˺ the rebellious(Al-Quran 5:44-47) And indeed, We sent Noah and Abraham and reserved prophethood and revelation for their descendants. Some of them are ˹rightly˺ guided, while most are rebellious.Then in the footsteps of these ˹prophets˺,We sent Our messengers, and ˹after them˺ We sent Iesa(Jesus) son of Mary, and granted him the Gospel, and instilled compassion and mercy into the hearts of his followers. As for monasticism, they made it up We never ordained it for them only seeking to please Allah(God), yet they did not ˹even˺ observe it strictly. So We rewarded those of them who were faithful. But most of them are rebellious. O people of faith! Fear God and believe in His Messenger. And˺ He will grant you a double share of His mercy, provide you with a light to walk in on Judgment Day˺,and forgive you. For God is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful. This is so˺ that the People of the Book ˹who deny the Prophet(Muhammad)˺ may know that they do not have any control over God’s grace, and that all grace is in God’s Hands. He grants it to whoever He wills. For God is the Lord of infinite bounty.[Al-Quran 57:26-29] And who would reject the faith of Abraham except a fool! We certainly chose him in this life, and in the Hereafter he will surely be among the righteous. When his Lord ordered him, “Submit ˹to My Will˺,” he responded, “I submit to the Lord of all worlds.”And Abraham left this legacy to his sons, and to Jacob, and said: "O my sons, God has chosen this as the faith for you. Do not die but as those who have submitted (to God)."Or did you witness when death came to Jacob? He asked his children, “Who will you worship after my passing?” They replied, “We will ˹continue to˺ worship your God, the God of your forefathers-Abraham, Ishmael, and Isaac-the One God. And to Him we˹all˺ submit.”(Al-Quran 2:130-133) Those are a people who have passed away. For them is what they earned, and for you is what you earned. Nor shall you be questioned as to what they have been doing. They said, “Become Jews or Christians, and you will find the right path.” Say: “Instead, (we follow) the faith of Abraham, the upright, - and he was not one of those who associate partners with Allah.”Say, [O believers], "We have believed in Allah and what has been revealed to us and what has been revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants [al-Asbat] and what was given to Moses and Īesā (Jesus) and what was given to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."(Al-Quran 2:134-136) O believers! Bow down, prostrate yourselves, worship your Lord, and do ˹what is˺ good so that you may be successful. And strive for the cause of Allah, as you should strive (according to your ability). He (Allah) has chosen you (to proclaim His message) and has not imposed any difficulty in your 'Dien' (way of life, religion). (It is) the 'Dien' that was practiced by your (for-)father Abraham. He (Allah) has called you (the believers) the ones who submit’[[ i.e., Muslims. ]], previously (in all previous revelations) and herein (the Qur'an). (So strive for the cause of Allah) So that the Messenger (Muhammad P.B.U.H) may be a witness over you and that you may be witnesses over all mankind. So maintain the prayer, give the zakat (the poor tax) and hold fast to (the provision of) Allah. for He is your Protector; what an excellent Protector and an excellent Helper! (Al-Quran 22:77-78)
Don't you realize how absurd and illogical this conversation is? A Muslim will tell you that the Torah, the Bible, and the Koran came in turn from God. And the Bible was corrupted over time by copyists (as Bart Ehrman shows in his writings) and the Quran came to correct these corruptions and present the true words of God. And yet, are you going through this tortured debate yourself to prove that the Quran knows the Bible?!
You need to demonstrate how the Bible was corrupted over time by "copyists" and how the Quran came to correct these "corruptions"?
I appreciate you admitting that Allah's words are corruptable, this is important to note. If the Quran is just a succession of the previous messages, yet the previous messages were corrupted, then all we have is the end of the story and no context for anything before that. This highlights the impotence of the god of Islam and based on his poor track record, we need to be more skeptical with the standard Islamic narrative which has been proven to be a fraud
@@thenun1846 Early messages were not sent to you. It was sent to tribes who lived thousands of years ago. They have rules and laws that were legislated due to their circumstance, sometimes due to their transgressions. Quran was sent as a mercy and to lessen the burden on you from following laws that would be hard to follow in today's age. Besides, God never promised to preserve them. They were temporary messages meant to be replaced when the time came. Quran was the final message that was supposed to replace them. Because it is the final and there will be no more messengers coming after to renew the message to correct what is corrupted or bring new message, God took the responsibility of preserving the Message of the Quran. *It is Preserved.*
@@HajjiJesus well I don't see any god at play here. All I see is men who invented the Quran, wrote the Quran, taught the Quran, and "preserved" the Quran. It is riddle with human fingerprints. In addition, the Quran is hopelessly unclear and contradictory which is why we have hadiths, tafsirs and other external referencing in an attempt to make sense of it As for Allah being incapable of preserving his previous books, are you saying that some of his words are corruptable and some are not?
@@thenun1846 It seems that you have no comprehension of the logic of knowledge and that you throw away everything that comes to mind like young lads in the schoolyard. Be happy, play with your skateboard, and leave this talk to wise and knowledgeable adults.