Catholic/Protestant Debate - Mr. Jimmy Akin and Dr. James White - Night 2

Shallow reasoning and a sound bite caused you to become roman catholic?

You might want to spend time reading what Scripture says and see how much of it contradicts the Dogmas and doctrines of Roman Catholicism - they are all over the place. Sadly Mr. Akin was all over the place and trying to put words in James White's mouth instead of accurately representing Roman Catholicism.

Study the Protestant Revolution. Christian men had the skin peeled from their living bodies because the simply wanted to read the Bible. The Roman Catholic Church is pure evil

Probably protesting indulgences, exaltation of Mary, Catholic Priest Pedophiles, burning Christians for translating the bible into English, etc. Stuff like that I would imagine...

@@kcwmjb I find that Protestants often have a horrible understanding of Catholicism, whereas we also read scripture and in full not cherry picking and with very well thought out correlations and details and many years of knowledge and judgement and reason behind it. There is a big difference within different Catholic churches and peoples own personal faith is their own. The major problem is Catholic, Orthodox, and many Protestants feel other Christians are brothers and sisters, and some Protestants do not. That is this guy.

FUNNY BRO !!!

“What do you mean you are suffering? All of our suffering was completed in the death of Christ, you can’t really be suffering”

🤣 nice one brother 🤣

"I truly hope you never prayed a rosary and are one of the elect."

Lol, I have a legit question. White asserts that Protestants who actually practice "by Scripture alone" are more united than Christians who have tradition as well. Do you think that is really the case? Do you think White is probably defining away a lot of other Protestant Christians who would severely disagree with his understanding of the Bible?

Based

Haters of the failed coup Revolt leader Martin Luther's followers follow him to the bottomless abyss

You must be one of the super liberal Lutherans that James White was talking about! 🤣

Well, done for Not addressing James White's opening statement in Hebrews and Romans.👋

Jimmy Akin is the man. He's our hidden gem here in the Catholic Church. A cyborg sent from the future to save the Church.

I love the collegial spirit of this debate. Such attitudes do more to unite The Church than divide it. - From a humble reformed Baptist in search of Truth. ❤️🙏

Good on you for your honesty and humility. Thanks for comment. Us Catholics can really learn from you Protestants.

@@laymanchristian1138 Likewise. From what I see, there’s a lot more Catholics exercising humility than Protestants at the moment. I’m saying this as a Protestant.

His hat and beard is like a real-life Yosemite Sam.

While you groom your comment, don't forget that many Muslims also affirmed how The Bible led them to Islam. If Dr. White led you to Catholicism, I am absolutely certain that you are not saved. Remember what Dr. Bart Ehrman attributed his then atheism and now agnosticism to: The Bible. Repent.

Oooooffff lol. Happy to have you with us!!!

Jimmy Swaggart the televangelist helped me come back to the Catholic Church in the early 90s.

That's a lie.

@@Merih98614 Actually no, when I became a Christian, I read the materials on Alpha and Omega Ministries website extensively. I found his coverage of Catholic issues to be biased and unconvincing. Of course, this did not singlehandedly make me a Catholic, but Reform doctrines on Sola scriptura, the atonement, the sacraments and church history as represented by Alpha and Omega helped me to the Church. I was received into Church in 2009.

An integral interview in my conversion to be sure.

It was an embarrassment to scholarship.

Fact. That's been his style for years and years now, he's deranged. So full of hate for Catholics and Mother Church.

He does it every time

And don’t worry, he’ll tell you about all his other debates he’s done too! Let’s just toss out 20 different topics that I believe are wrong about the Catholic Church, and then I’ll sit here and roll my eyes, smirk and laugh at questions, and act completely annoyed the whole time!

Yet you keep watching

@@LogousTo listen to Mr. Jimmy Akin or Trent Horn, yes.

That is how everybody feels when their faith is attacked; Catholic, Protestant or Orthodox. Just remember that these arguments are about religiously binding authority and not your personal faith in God, regardless of how you practice it. These debates are really a book selling carnival that also brings in revenue for the hosting church. Remember that church numbers are down across the country, which means church revenues are down. It reminds me of wrestle mania for the church.

​@@djpodestawhat a shallow view of evangelism.

@@idankpoaugustine1983 The debate road show that speaks to two opposing teams? Check out the comments. I don’t see anybody turning to Christ… 😄 Evangelising whom? Are you sure this isn’t a sporting event? I’ll stick to solid teaching from either faith thank you. At least you can digest and look up what is being taught at your leisure and see if it makes sense.

Salvation is not by works and any vague definition of belief is sufficient unto salvation, unless you are Catholic, then you are surely damned. That's like the gospel, dude. It's literally what scripture says. I mean, why do you choose to be a member of the whore of Babylon? Join pastor Jim's church with me and become truly born again.

May God have mercy on you.

I don't think he hates us. He's extremely passionate

@@andycopeland7051 Catholics, Orthodox, and many if not most Protestants accept that we are all brothers and sisters in Christ. Some Protestants do not, 2 billion or so Christians are all wrong and going to hell. This is that guy.

Nah. White just has a grumpy demeanor Even when talking to his friends

I changed my life because Jesus Eucharist 🙏

The pastors of the flock of Protestantism pick and choose selectively which passages to twist to fit their versions of the "gospel" and what to leave out entirely or explain away. Jesus warned us of such "wolves in sheep's clothing" and that we would know them by their fruits--or lack thereof.

Same here.

Glad to hear it, brother. Much love from the Catholic Church.

Associating with people who come across as charitable doesn't save and doesn't mean his message is correct.

@@KnightFel CoPe James lost

​@@KnightFelsimply saying "I believe" doesn't save you either 👍

I hope White continues. His debates result in the conversion of many to the Catholic Faith

@@DD-bx8rb If he repents and comes to the Catholic Church, it's better for his soul. He can also bring others to the Catholic faith. I've seen Protestant converts bring many to the Catholic Church.

@@gto2111 Yes, good point

@@DD-bx8rb The opposite seems true. He does help people see past the corruption of Rome and come back to Christ and the gospel.

@@vigilantezack "The corruption of Rome" is simply an old Protestant myth aimed to damage the authority of Christ's holy Church. It is a combination of exaggeration of history, coupled with an attack on true doctrines. The Protestant threw out the most important and deepest aspects of the Faith. Pax

Keep digging, my brother! The Holy Spirit will lead you into all truth, but you must be open to receive it.

Early Christianity was Catholic.

You are well on your way. God Bless you on your journey.

@@fantasia55no, the early church was catholic not Catholic.

@robertdelisle7309 Early Christians celebrated Mass, venerated saints, obeyed apostolic succession bishops and acknowledged the papacy - meaning they were capital C Catholics.

Which contradiction were you referring to?

Amen🎉

Now, I am sure you now know it hurts not to be able to take communion. You can do one of two things: 1) cross your arms, and if your line is the priest. It's a blessing. Or. 2) get on your knees and say the famous prayer for those who cannot take communion by St. Alphonsus Ligouri But you do NOT take the Eucharist unworthily... it is Sacrilege. You can still go to Eucharistic Adoration also. If you have sins on your plate and again you can pray that prayer for when you can't take communion. Thanks for telling us the story of what communion is like in other churches. We only hear of what communion is like at Separated Brethern churches, temples or halls. Sometimes it is monthly we hear?? Welcome Home!

@@richardcastro1276 Yep. Im so glad to have learned! I was raised methodist and in our church communion was only 4 times a year on each quater of the year. Im not sure but i think they do it for the Wesleyan quadrilateral. Methodism is not a sola scriptura Protestant denomination. They hold to a quadrilateral ( scripture, personal experice, tradition, and logic) many methodists have never even heard of the quad. Most think theyre sola scripturists…. These days they say well scripture is the only ultimate authority but i cannot be understood without reason, personal experience, and tradition.

Your bias is showing.

Welcome home Brother

James White knocked it and jimmy out of the park

Agree. To me, White comes across as a religious bigot.

Tends to happen when your sister and brother in law convert to Catholicism despite his attempts to dissuade them. And then your sister goes on T.V to say he is really good at defeating strawman 😂. (Tbh I would feel the same in his place! No disrespect to the man)

True. His hatred makes him blind, unable to see the truth.

Pride is a great enemy of truth.

This right here! ☝🏼

thats because he realized that he was agreeing with the pope 😅

Did he even win those debates or something? He keeps bringing them up like he won a superbowl or something

Why wouldn't he? Arguments for truth do not change. Not now, not 2000 years ago. He's done so many debates that he's more than free to use the past to prove points. There is no need for him to change, no need for new arguments, especially when it comes to the gospel. Cry more.

@@KnightFel Insane cope

@@KnightFelcope lolz

Well, maybe he brings them up because in those times he actually had the opportunity to debate some honest, orthodox Roman Catholics. And because in his opening presentation Akin basically said that the Reformation was right, and salvation is by grace alone through faith alone, which is the main point the reformers fought for in the XVI c.

How can you be an ambassador for faith in Christ when he believes in the absurdity of the Marian dogmas?

​@@KnightFelthe Marian dogmas are beautiful. You should look into them. As Christ said to St John at the cross, behold your mother.

@@KnightFel the absurdity is that you don’t believe in them.

@@KnightFelhe said ambassador, not correct doctrine. He’s simply saying he does a better job evangelizing.

​@@Silverhailo21 how does Jesus giving Mary over into the care of John establish RC Marian dogma? Do you think Jesus saying "behold" means she has some kind of power now?

He did by explaining the gospel. No need for purgatory when we have the gospel. James already exposed purgatory against Horn anyways.

@@KnightFelfalse. We are not experientially perfect when we die, obviously. We need to be really perfect to enter heaven. Explain the change. Purgatory explains the change. White does not and cannot.

@@KnightFel The Gospel does not run counter to Purgatory. The Catholic Church could not to teach Purgatory if it was contrary. If you can point to the contradiction, then I will agree with you.

Yes it does Purgatory Revelation 21:27 But nothing unclean shall enter it, nor any one who practises abomination or falsehood, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s book of life. Psalm 66:12 (RSV) Thou didst let men ride over our heads; we went through fire and through water; yet thou hast brought us forth to a spacious place. Isaiah 4:4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion and cleansed the bloodstains of Jerusalem from its midst by a spirit of judgment and by a spirit of burning. (cf. 1:25-26; 6:5-7; Ecclesiastes 12:14) Micah 7:9 I will bear the indignation of the Lord because I have sinned against him, until he pleads my cause and executes judgment for me. He will bring me forth to the light; I shall behold his deliverance. (cf. Leviticus 26:41, 43; Job 40:4-5; Lamentations 3:39) St. Jerome considered this verse a clear proof of purgatory. Malachi 3:3 he will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver, and he will purify the sons of Levi and refine them like gold and silver, till they present right offerings to the LORD. 2 Maccabees 12:44-45 For if he were not expecting that those who had fallen would rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead. But if he was looking to the splendid reward that is laid up for those who fall asleep in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Therefore he made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin. (cf. 1 Corinthians 15:29) Indulgence We have an express example of a temporal penance given and then relaxed (an indulgence), straight from the Apostle Paul. He imposed a penance on a man who had sinned (1 Corinthians 5:3-5). Later, he relaxed it:

@@KnightFelwhere?

Actually that says nothing more than that one is 10x more popular and thus attracts more bigots. I would also want to keep _my_ channel free from insults in the comment sections.

@@ora_et_labora1095 The very fact that James White doesn't allow commentary on his videos is a telltale sign he is afraid to face the truth. He is all about finding "his truth", but he is vehemently opposed to the truth. Whether or not some people choose to use the comments section for insults is irrelevant to this fact.

"Afraid to face the truth." Does more than 180 public moderated debates. Catholics multiple times, Muslims in their own mosques, shares the gospel outside mormon temples. Yep, he's downright terrified. ​@CantStopTheMattWalsh

@@SoliDeoGloria237 The same could be said of Jimmy Akin. He has done plenty of moderated debates. Shared the gospel. And debated against those outside of the Christian faith. The question then becomes, why is he willing to allow dialogue on his channel, but James White isn't?

@@CantStopTheMattWalsh The real question is, why do you engage in an Ad Hominem attack against Dr. White rather than engage with his views? Proverbs 14:7

Jimmy Akin agreed with the affirmative position, i.e. his opponents from the get go, line by line. There is no where for the debate to go except for what the RCC teaches on what those points actually mean from dogmatic, doctrinal, and practical levels, which is where the debate did end up going.

That's because those ancillary teachings of the catholic church are 100% required and imposed on you and do not give you peace with God.

James White is obviously filled with a demonic presence and the fruits of that serpent flow forth from him anytime he speaks. It is horrifying to behold.

Because he wants to point out that it is only through the finished work of Christ according to what the Scriptures teach that we have peace with God and not these other dogmas that reduces Christ work as insufficient

That is because White can't defend his position.

I think you're onto something

Conspiracy theories! They make you feel like you're onto something. :)

😂😂😂😂😂😂

Quite the opposite for me History has prevented me from being Romanist

Welcome home in advance ❤

How

I became Catholic. And after 10 years of practicing this faith and getting no closer to God....Guys like White are making more and more sense.

James White will have to answer for that. Cause he kept you away from the Truth. The church was created to guard the truth and the Catholic Church is the church founded by Christ. So if you were considering coming to the Truth and James White made you walk away then he’s in big trouble. 😞

@@private2371 then you weren’t looking hard enough.

It is because he is full of the demonic. The oppression of the Evil One is palpable anytime he speaks.

he acts as though it is a threat to his carefully cultivated, narrow worldview. If he were to give it even the slightest "benefit of the doubt" he acts like it might unravel his whole carefully crafted narrative.

Tillich (a Protestant (Lutheran) scholar) taught that we are to "embody the truth we advocate." If attitude were the base line of our truth, then White may want to rethink the impression his version of truth leaves on his hearers. While Akin can come across as a bit condescending at times, he certainly comes closer to charity in his presentation. BTW: The host did a good job of getting out of the way, maintaining dignity of the participants and managing the event as it unfolded.

So he comes off as a Protestant

Well schooled Protestant is the greatest oxymoron ever.

Yet not telling us at all how to have peace with God. He didn't even present the Roman Catholic position. Just parts of it that are generally in agreement.

@@KnightFel Christ Founded a United Church that canonized its Scriptures. The Devil inspired protestants to twist those scriptures to justify a thousand sub-cults that agree on very little other than their false representation of Christ's actual Church. Seems pretty straightforward to anyone not indoctrinated by these man-made cults' leaders.

Praised be Jesus Christ indeed for blessing us with the wisdom and humility of Jimmy Akin. His insights shine as a beacon of knowledge and joy :)

@@KnightFelhe very clearly answered. You’ve got beams in your eyes brother.

@@Jrce11 Not at all brother. He spoke about maybe 10% of Roman Catholic Salvation. It's WAY more complicated and WAY off from the biblical gospel than he's saying. Be real. The Roman Catholic gospel is depressing and terrifying. Knowing your heart and your mind, the mortal sins of in thought one commits often, the breaking of the greatest commandment everyday, yeah, it's depressing. There is no peace in the Roman gospel.

"Just saying a Greek word with no explanation of its relevance is not an argument" Original Languages matter in this debate and Jimmy Akin cannot exegete. Also Roman Catholicism is false: kzhead.info/sun/iKebcrmJsaZ7aYU/bejne.html&pp=ygUYcm9tYW4gY2F0aG9saWNpc20gZXJyb3Jz

​​@@samuelaguilar9668Make a list of timestamps of the number of times that James White uses a Greek word. Identify which of those times describes the context meaningfully as part of an argument relevant to the proposition. It should be easy enough to figure out whether the top level comment is correct or whether it is just speaking out of its own impressions.

you are correct, as with all protestants, they claim authority over the bible

​@@samuelaguilar9668have you ever tried thinking for yourself? It's pretty powerful stuff. At least if you're going to submit your will in obedience, don't do it on behalf of an ego like James White's.

@@samuelaguilar9668 CoPe, White got humiliated and lied during the debate.

Even just from a practical level of unity, it makes no sense.

“One of the problems I find with Protestantism is this thing that no Protestant argues for” the scripture alone is the infallible authority. The church is also an authority in the life of a Protestant, but isn’t infallible. Protestant pastors aren’t popes. We follow the apostles by following their teachings as communicated through scripture.

@@weselo8305Catholics are not that different, we also interpret the bible individually, however, when it comes to critical things such as baptism, how do we decide who interprets it correctly?

@@zeegovna5109 Ultimately on tough questions, you read the Word, listen to trusted people who have looked into it on different sides, and decide which position better aligns with the Word. There is no reason to think we have a single infallible interpreter (other than Scripture itself interpreting itself)

@@weselo8305but scripture itself doesn’t interpret itself, thats why i brought up baptism. I trust my protestant friend on many things, but he doesnt believe the same as me on baptism

So true

Exactly! Only the opposite of what you said. 😂 It’s straight Bible, just repent and believe, enough disobedience.

@@westb1028 There are contradictory ideas expressed in the NT. Romans 2:5-11. We are judged by deeds. That's the same Paul that y'all quote about saved by faith alone.

​@sliglusamelius8578 these aren't contractions. It says WE are to judge by actions, not God

@@SneakyEmu False. Romans 2:5-11 says that we will be judged by God by our works! It's right there! Read it.

It was a 16th century reinterpretation, that no one before Hus ever held, and that very few protestant sects can fully agree on even to this day. It is almost like, personal interpretation of the Bible without the wisdom of the Majesterium and guidance of the Holy Spirit leads to error and faction.

​@@user-jm4kz5bg9f The current mAjEsTaRiUm is in faction As it has always been

​@@goyonman9655 I guess it's just as important to note that scholars came up with "wildly different convlusions on a number of ussues" (sic)

Why should he use terms he doesn’t recognise/ believe in?

It is not disrespectful. When you say catholic it can mean greek-catholic but with Rome it is specified. As with Francis he leaves only the title out. By your logic we are disrespecting Jesus every time we say Jesus instead of Jesus Christ.

Accurate descriptions

not once did Jimmy Akin address James White's opening statement in Hebrews and Romans. I wonder why 🤔

@@johnhartnett3629Ironically Hebrews and Romans both refute James White’s view of eternal security. Hebrews 10:26, Romans 11:22.

@@catholictruth102 The Reformed view is not the same thing as Once Saved Always Saved. The Westminster Confession has an entire chapter on the perseverance of the saints.

@catholictruth102 The warning passages do not prove that election is conditional.

Akin was sparky throughout the debate. Secondly, he never addressed the actual Reformed and Scriptural position. He kept using strawman fallacies. Furthermore, the Bible does teach Sola scriptura many times over. Westminster Confession 1:6. By good and necessary consequence. Additionally, the phrase "word of God" is l9gically deduced from Scripture just as the word Trinity does not occur in the text but is perfectly a biblical term.

I hope you heard that Truth from Dr. White, for in this debate there is only one Truth.

​@@Merih98614😂😂

Yes, but Akin has the hat.

April fools was a few weeks ago.

​@@KnightFelyes tell that to JW

@@chiniiya Jehovas Witness? They aren't here.

He was baffled because he had no one to debate. Jimmy decided that he was just going to show a particular presentation.

exactly, he hates Catholics so much that he will refuse to agree with the pope on anything haha

May I ask what the point is of you quoting this? Thank you.

@@andrewmiles2370 denial of purgatory is irrational

😂He dodging

Haha, that’s actually pretty accurate.

Quite the assumption to say he isn't loving. Listen to his arguments, don't judge him for his tone during a debate. Debates aren't for finding common ground

If you believe his arguments to be true that's all right with me. Every person comes to the Truth on their own path. Yet, it is how we behave on that path that makes us Christian.

It's a debate, not a discussion. What you're looking for isn't wrong, this just isn't that environment.

of course he wants to prove he is right, anything else wouldn't be loving. if you know someone's house is on fire, you should with all your might tell that person that his house is on fire and that he should get out now..

I'd have to agree to an extent. I especially don't like the way he uses Roman-Catholic as an epithet, even though he's been politely corrected numerous times on the nomenclature.

No, it didn't.

You were never Catholic in the first place

Amen!❤

@ChristIsLord7, didn't you pay any attention to this debate? Especially, the opening statement? Hebrews clearly states that Christ offered Himself once for all time at the cross. It doesn't have to be repeated ever again. There's no need for a Re-Presentation which is actually a Re-sacrifice every Sunday. Yet the Roman Church blasphemes by doing this.

I pray that lost papists will be converted and regenerated by the Holy Spirit as they hear the Scriptures expounded. All papists are lost, including Akin.

​@@Michael-yl9rlMay God grant papists the new birth and conversion to the Christ of Scripture.

Salvation is only a possibility????

I am just now coming out of the reformed world, after 20 years. Catholicism just makes more sense. When I finally stopped to think about why there are so many divisions and endless splitting I realized sola scriptura and private judgement were the main reasons, but behind them was the rejection of the authority of the church. That’s the core of Protestantism. The result is individualism, subjectivism, and relativism. I haven’t watched the debate yet, but Akin clearly won the last one.

Same here brother! I listened to the dividing line and radio free geneva for a decade. I was confirmed catholic last year!

Who said White is the best protestantism has to offer? 😂

​@jackcrow1204 he's a prominent apologist in baptist churches and reformed/calvinist camps. But there's a lot more to protestant views too

I'm a devout cradle Catholic and I can tell you White is *not* the best Protestantism has to offer.

Paul was right, a Jewish christian can't think he has the golden ticket and God owes him something. God can't be wrestled into submission based on someone's heritage.

Sorry Mary never heard a prayer from anyone so you're wasting your time. Think about it she would 1. have to be omnipresent 2. all knowing [omnipresent 3 all powerful to be able to answer prayer, [omnipotent] Attributes that belong to God alone.

Dear@@joecannes2421, think about it -- Jesus declared that those who are dead in the world are alive in Heaven -- "The Lord is not the God of the dead, but of the living." (Mark 12:27 and Luke 20:38) "Death has been swallowed up in victory..." (1 Corinthians 15:54-56) And Jesus gave Mary to be mother to His beloved disciple (John 19:26-27) So she is mother to each one of us who call Jesus our brother. And Jesus gave John a Revelation which refers to this fact (Revelation 12:17) She does not need to be omniscient (I think that is the word you meant, rather than "omnipresent." It's a little different) to know what her millions of children say to her. She only needs the gift of God to be mother to us all. She does not need to be omnipotent to be one of the cloud of witnesses (Hebrews 12:1), any more than you or I need to be omnipotent to have our prayers answered. Please learn what the Catholic Church teaches, and try not to think of Catholics as complete idiots. We are Christians, trying to be better Christians all the time.

Is she omnipresent? No! How does she hear your prayers?

I got the impression that he never came to debate.

If you have watched enough of his material, it’s just his regular candor. But I understand your point is it comes off that way.

Appears to be judging on tone.

they never give a reason, "just James lost the debate. I'm a stronger catholic because of him" its the same old same old with theological debates. consistency is key and White is very consistent in his arguments. that's the problem people have with him.

When your opponent repeats the same 3 arguments in every debate for decades, it's best to just address the audience to a degree

@@EruIluvatar5 I mean, then don't agree to a "debate". And Catholic Apologists have their same sticking points they just recycle. There is only so much each side has at this point, but I do like the ecumenical spirit of Jimmy's approach I think he is getting older and putting fourth.... "Hey the Church has changed in some of these areas, if you want to come aboard come aboard"

lol what?

I don’t think he understands his opposition either. And yes, he comes off as so very angry. The body language, the eye rolls, the smirks. It’s extremely unsettling

Seriously? That canard?

@@gc3563 Yeah he does understand the opposition. The only ones claiming that he doesn't understand Roman Catholicism are youtube apologist. None of his opponents on the stage have claimed that his understanding is incorrect. So your comment means nothing.

@@KnightFel if my comment means nothing, and that’s fine it’s just my opinion, then same goes to you. You are entitled to your opinion as well, but your comment means nothing.

James white is God tool that brings more converts to Catholicism...

James makes Jesus out to be liar and undependable, no less that he did NOT lead his Church to ALL TRUTH. Jesus made numerous statements about his Church, nearly 2000 years before James came along: Christ is the head of his Church (Col 1: 18) Christ''s Church is the pillar of truth (1 Tim 3: 15) Christ's Church is the bulwark of truth. (1 Tim 3: 15) Christ's Church is where the manifold wisdom of God is made known. (Eph 3: 10) *Christ PROMISED to lead it to ALL Truth.* (Jn 16: 13) Christ PROMISED that he would NEVER leave it. (Mt 28: 20) Christ PROMISED that the gates of hell would not prevail (it will not teach doctrinal error) ; (Mt 16: 18)

fr lol

To put it simply, there is no greater authority than Sola scriptura but Sola White😆.

@@clemenaparente9773 True This: James disagrees with ALL kinds of protestant denominations - and Sola Scriptura gives him no authority to say his fallible interpretation of scripture is right, and they wrong.

"If you wish to persuade and convince me without fail: first be able think my thoughts inside your mind, second feel my feelings as someone in my circumstances would, and third, produce my my words but through your voice." Marcus Tullius Cicero

Yay, Protestants can get you to Jesus but can’t do much for you after that.

That’s a rude and accusatory statement. You’re implying James White has a bad marriage because he’s a Protestant? Gross.

​@@sarahd5341idk about his marriage but clearly he has bad theology since he's a heretic

@@revelation20232 Protestants are not the ones committing the Galatian heresy (adding works to the gospel).

@@sarahd5341 Hi, Sarah. You do realise, do you not, that Catholicism claims that Paul was and is Catholic, that Galatians is a Catholic book, that Galatians is inspired, and that it was the Catholic Church which included Galatians in the canon of inspired books, so that Galatians is in the Bible? I'm not here asking you to agree with the Church's claims, but just to recognise that the Church understands Galatians to be part of God's revelation and so part of His patrimony to the Church. Since the Church holds that God is one, and that truth is one, whatever the Church holds about the question of salvation, of justification, of the relationship between faith and works has to be compatible with what Paul taught the Galatians and wrote to them in his letter. Again, I'm not asking you to agree that the Church's doctrine on these matters is compatible with Galatians, but only that She understand that it is compatible. The question then is, what does the Church understand about these matters, and about what Paul taught the Galatians, which allows Her to think that they work well together? Clearly what Protestants claim the Church reaches is not compatible with what Protestants claim Paul teaches the Galatians, so there is a fundamental disagreement between Catholic and Protestant about what the Church teaches on these matters and what Protestants claim the Church teaches about these matters. Since it is the Church teaching about what She teaches about these matters, the reasonable supposition is that Protestant claims about Catholic teachings are mistaken.

The church according to Scripture is 'a pillar and butress of the truth'. The Catholic Church advocated for in this debate was one of appeasement.

@@joeh8130so which man from the 1500s do you worship

@@joeh8130 CoPe

​@@joeh8130 remember, Ignatius of Antioch was the disciple of Apostle John. So I prefer his interpretation than your modern Protestant interpreation.

And where is Christ?

@joevasanu7459, sure, Jimmy the sloppy cowboy clown never addressed James's opening statements on Hebrews and Romans. I wonder why 🤔

There's no such thing as "initial justification." Also, keep reading the verse on baptism. You all always stop there. Proof texting is useless. Your quotation on Ephesians 2: 8-10 is perfeclty consistent with reformed theology. You are saved by faith alone, not faith + works. Works comes after faith, that's why you're saved for, that's what you're created for, and not works to prove to God anything, but for your neighbor and to glorify God. Rome says no, you need works along with faith to increase in justification, which is utterly false. You proved Dr. White's point.

Baptism saves in the same way the Ark saved Noah. It does not impart salvation, only the death of Christ does that. And it does that by grace through faith. Regeneration doesn’t even save you, even if baptism did regenerate you, which it does not. The only thing that gives salvation is God’s grace, and we can only receive that grace through faith.

@@fuelmotive8716baptism is only salvific because of God obviously, but for you to say baptism does not regenerate would mean you stand against the entire history of the church beginning to end. I assure you, the church was not entirely in error prior to your coming. You are not the saviour of the church.

@@Jrce11 I did not say that the entirety of Christian’s are in error “prior to my coming” nor did I say I was “the savior of the church.” There is one savior of the Church and that is Christ Jesus, and saying that I made any statements even close to that is ridiculously stupid.

@@fuelmotive8716 you are here to correct the entire church on the issue of baptism despite what nearly every single early church writer had to say on the matter, correct?

If you're a papist just pay the church for an annulment.

@@ThomasCranmer1959I as a catholic agreee the snnulment process is corrupt and needs improvement, but it doesn’t destroy the sacrament of marriage

@@Luke-ms5hn Marriage is not a sacrament. It is a covenant between a man and a woman and Almighty God. What GOD hath joined together let NO MAN or WOMAN put asunder. Not even the papists have the authority to divorce or annul a covenant between God and a man and woman.

@@ThomasCranmer1959 In the Catholic church, marriage is a Sacrament precisely because it is between man, woman and G_d.

WHAT?!?!?!

because it is NOT in scripture

Haha, never did get an answer on that .

He doesn't as he stands in Christ's righteousness!

@@mmbtalk To simplify the point a bit, Jimmy was asking if James think she is so perfect as to be ready to enter heaven.

@@brycegladwin8087 that is where our fundamental difference lies and I am surprised James, did not address this emphatically! Protestantd believe no amount of human effort can ever earn you anything heavenwards. All our best are as good as worthless rugs (Isaiah 64:6 Philippians 3:7-9) That is why you will never hear of protestants canonising anyone as a saint. Our so called 'saintliness' look good when compared to other human beings, with also a lot of secret sins being unknown, but before the Holy presence of God no creature is fit to stand guiltless(Romans 3:23). So to answer Jimmy's question, the Lord made it clear he who has the son has life(1 John 5:12) and Christ's imputed righteousness is enough to get you into heaven, anytime any day! (Romans 5:1-2 Romans 10:4,13).

@@mmbtalk White may now be one step closer to conversion to Christ's holy Catholic Church.Pax

Your bias is showing.

That's the problem.... its ONLY found in a Catholic church. Not in the Bible or other Churches.

@filippguitar Sounds like you believe in Sola Sctriptura. That is a false protestant teaching. Where in the Bible does it teach that Truth can only be found in the Bible? You need to read the writings of the early Church Father's to expand your understanding of faith. The Early Church Father's who walked with the Apostles, not Martin Luther or any other denomination that came over a thousand years later.

​@@Servus-humilis Is Bergollio in agreement with the early church fathers??

@@goyonman9655 in terms of doctrin...yes

Well yeah, if you throw out the actual people who led the church over the centuries and just boiled everything down to the Gospel, it's going to be different. That's not how the Church functions tho, not in the first century and not in any after.

He’s just acting like he doesn’t, like most Protestants to score points

He should go to Mass with his sister. Pray for him to come to the RCC

Yes pray him

“Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.” Galatians 6:7-8 David says blessed is the man whose sins are covered and the man to whom God will not impute sin, but God clearly imputed the serious sin of adultery and murder because his child had to die, isn’t that correct? We are not forgiven for all future sins I don’t know where you get that.

@@jlouis4407 Boom.

Sola Scriptura was the topic of the first night of debate. This is the second night of debate and it is a different topic.

A tailor would do him good!

Some new Theology would do him and all his followers would do him way better.

It was predestined to be that big

He may of had to borrow one. Who knows ..he's traveling. Better a tad too big than too small. 💕🌷 God Bless Dr James White....he's an incredible Debator, full of wisdom. ✝️

​@@michellecheriekjv4115Mr. James White please.

Yup, either live perfectly or… oops! “Depart from me, I never knew you. “

He can’t do a justification debate without the blessed man!!!

It's a great question!

@@billmartin3561 I mean, you can't have the gospel without the blessed man. Are you really mocking that message? Yikes, big yikes. Very sad. There is no hope if you are not the blessed man. It's incredibly sad how many people in the comments hate the gospel.

@@KnightFel it really is. I am astounded. They gloat over what will be their own damnation. Every idle word of it. If they really thought we were lost, why would they take such an attitude toward us? I honestly hope none of them are lost but I don't think they return the sentiment. It's rather shocking to me, to be honest

Yes, Mary interceded for us at the wedding of Cana. Is she co-redemptrix? Yes, because Mary accepted becoming the mother of God.

Incorrect. How about you watch Jimmy Akin's debate debrief and get a better picture of what the debate was supposed to be. White is a dishonest debater.

@@EruIluvatar5 sorry what is incorrect about what I wrote?

You clearly aren't paying attention.

That’s hilarious considering Jimmy Akin wanted there to only be 20 total minutes of cross examination instead of the 40 minutes or longer that White usually does. Akin was constantly redefining words and phrases to mean super specific things, entirely outside of the context of Roman Catholicism for a false “agreement” that would only falsify unity and not actually bring about true understanding of the issue.

​@@fuelmotive8716Jimmy Aiken was constantly saying things like, "if by this you mean." Then, he presented a dilemma between two possible versions. Then, he said he would agree if you meant one and disagree if you meant another. Maybe I've gotten the two debates confused, but I've listened to both of them and that is his typical move. What do you expect him to do?

@@benabaxterThe problem was he was constantly presenting 2 options, neither of which were even remotely within the reformed context. And that’s another major issue. He would constantly set up these “so you agree with this Roman Catholic…” and White would have to go “no that’s a false dichotomy that you just set up in real time. Stop removing these ideas from the context of Roman Catholic dogma.” You can’t separate each and every idea from the rest of the dogma set by the magisterium from this particular idea of justification. That’s why White brought up the other dogmas of the RCC and then Aiken just dismisses them all.

@@benabaxterit’s hard not to when white makes it a semantic argument