The Swedish SJ Sound, Part 3: Spelling
2016 ж. 2 Нау.
17 243 Рет қаралды
In how many ways can you spell the SJ sound? This video goes through them all, and explains why there is no real reason to worry about it.
This is part 3 of 3 in a series about the Swedish SJ sound.
Part 1, Pronunciations: • The Swedish SJ Sound, ...
Part 2, Usage: • The Swedish SJ Sound, ...
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I have just sat and listened to all three parts of your explanation on the Swedish SJ sound and they are very informative, well done. I am learning Swedish on Duolingo. I have found it very hard to pronounce sjunger. Someone on the comment page left a link to your video. I'm glad I took the time to listen to it.
Pls, don't stop uploading new videos! They're amazing!
Thank you! I assure you I have no such plans :)
Crescendo, fascista and fascino are originally Italian words with a "sh"-sound, so it makes sense they'd be adapted as a "sj"-sound.
Exactly.
An extraordinary linguistic job. Thank you.
Your videos have to be one of the best resources iv found! I am doing a "online" course for beginners, but it never told me why there was a difference between anden och anden .One, i couldn't here the difference because i didn't know what to listen for (im very new to swedish) and Two, that they meant different things sad different ways! And the info you give on the front and back SJ sounds golden! all I can say is thank you! I will be watching you video's ALOT!
Thank you very much for your kind comment! I'm glad to have helped! :)
Tack så mycket. Jag hade lära mig allt från part ett till tre. De var jättebra!
"Shotta" with tj-sound at 9:56 is also the way to pronounce 28. :)
This series is the best for learning Swedish of all KZhead videos! Please make next video!! I personally want a video about some phrases/expressions which only exist in Swedish language... (such as lagom stuff)
Skitintressant! As a native Swede, this was really interesting and eye opening.
While using Duolingo I always imagined that the words ending in -ion had the same sounded like "schion" The examples that you mentioned are excellent
Yeah Duolingo made me think religiös was pronounced TOTALLY different.
these videos are all so good - thank you!
What an amazing video ! I'm waiting your next video about swedish😀
Also just an S as in 'Grimas'.
You could consider doing a short video on the viby-i(sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viby-i), which some native Swedes don't tend to notice any difference, but a lot of learners like myself wonder about.
Definitely a good idea!
swedish words has a lot of silent words,anyway i am enjoying though. oh! i must keep going to practice , tack så mycket min kära bror för din video.😇
It would be interesting if you could cover the retroflex consonants. There is much dialectal variation in them and there are some interesting rules. (Like how the r and the n are separated in for example 'Saturnus', while they are assimilated in words like 'urna'.)
Definitely planning on covering those at some point :)
@@AcademiaCervena How to pronounce Sjögren? Sjögren's syndrom
My surname/last name is spelled with *Skj-* therefore, there are six words that begin with that spelling. 3:27
I watched all three videos of the sj series specially the first one and I watched the first one many times and I can't pronounce the sj sound, it's impossible for me. I give up on that, I will just learn swedish on Duolingo for the sake of understanding the language, I won't speak it, since I can't say the sj sound. I'm half german and half portuguese. It's sad to say that I won't be able to speak swedish, maybe just understand it but I really am in love with the swedish language.
If it helps, for me the "sj" sound sounds like an angry cat (um gato assanhado) hahaha
@04:40 it is a bit unclear. Are these pairs the [older : newer] versions of the same word? What's what there?
They are different words, but with similar etymologies, which is why their spellings are similar.
Tack!
I think I'd be tempted to pronounce those international words (_jour_, _Shell_...) with the more old-fashioned front sound, to keep them closer to their origins. That would coincide with upper-class and northern usage, so it wouldn't make me sound odd. I'm mostly studying Norwegian though anyway, where this stuff is easier.
That would work, and I think some people might actually have some kind of distinction like that. In any case loanwords (especially French ones) would certainly be more likely to have a front sound than native words.
I'm swedish and I've always said Shell, Shanghai and Shetlandsöarna with the front sj sound, and damejeanne if i ever use that word, i might even use a french j sound in swedish to say it, but jour i'd say like in this example, sherry and shorts i'd say with either a front sj sound or the actual sh sound from english and pronounce those whole words like in english, but not sheriff, or shopping/shoppa, those get the back version, other than thoose, I'd pronounce almost everything like Adam did in this video. (I'm from the country in Östergötland, near but not between Norrköping and Söderköping) Östgötatrafiken is the local public transport and yeah everyone here in östergötland pronounce that word and östgöte, östgötska, västgöte, västgötska, östgöta-*something* with the back sj sound for the -stg-, never ever as the spelling öst+göta+trafiken, that would clearly mark you as someone not from around here, or if you know they're from here, then even worse: as someone annoying clown who tries to sound smart and sophisticated by pronouncing it like they hear stockholm people do on tv.
Jag uttalar portion med ett Ʊ-ljud inte ett ɔ-ljud, och jag är från Stockholm.
Obetonat /o/ kan ofta vara antingen eller, särskilt i lånord, så det låter fullt rimligt!
I’m from Östergötland and would pronounce ”östgöte” with a short second ö as well as the first one. The way you pronounced it sounds more like “island vagina” to me xD
I would normally pronounce it that way too, and I think that's probably more common among people who pronounce it with a sj sound. The version in the video was the pronunciation given by a prominent source, so I went with it instead to be a bit more formal.
Academia Cervena sorry if I sounded like a dick btw. Just thought “ösköte” was a funny word xD
how I pronounce turtle in swedish?! 😱
What specifically is causing you trouble?
Oof, calling Kristianstad a native swedish name is a quick way to lose northeast scanian friends.
So, after having studied both Danish, Norwegian and Swedish, my conclusion is that Norwegian spelling is the one that makes most sense from an outsider's perspective. While it may be useful to retain some old spelling patterns for the sake of preserving etymological cues, language is a living thing that changes and if spelling is not updated once in a while, the result is a terrible mess and an unreasonable discrepancy between spoken and written language.
Does he know how to speak Finnish
If you are referring to me, then not really, only very little.
Interesting. I however find that most of these kind of presentations forget to emphasise that all types of pronunciations in Swedish depend on whether there’s a hard or soft vowel, which always determine how the word must be pronounced
Better learn Norwegian...