Greek football and the Super League Greece was rocked by a match-fixing scandal in 2015, bringing to light accusations of wide-ranging corruption that supporters had suspected for decades.
Some of the nation's biggest clubs, including Olympiacos, were implicated, but almost six years on, little action has been taken.
So in today's video, HITC Sevens takes a look at the ongoing issues afflicting football in Greece, the history of the allegations of corruption, and whether a positive outcome is likely anytime soon.
None of the clubs or individuals mentioned in the video have been found guilty of any crimes in any courts anywhere in the world, unless stated otherwise.
To much Malackia!! - Gennaro Gattuso
Sometimes Maybe good sometimes maybe shit
Everyday malakia
Then he starts saying shit in three languages in greek,Italian and english.
favourite clip ever
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Football is a small depiction of our country as well. Whatever happens in Greek football happens in real life as well. Everything is fixed and corrupted. It likely will never change. Sadly...
Yes, exactly. Nothing will ever change because money runs the world, either we like it or not. Not only is it a depiction of countries and their type of football, but also is a depiction of transfers. Agents like Mino Raiola use players to get a few bucks. Recently, you have Brian Brobbey. Didn't want to renew his contract, influenced by Raiola. And don't get me started on Italian football. That's a story for another time.
@@a-fo7508 Sad times we living in ...
As a Greek, this is too accurate, unfortunately...
This comment right here says it all, you dont have to watch the vid lol
@@WWEmAnIaAc the VIDEO didnt said about the connection about OLYMPPIAKOS AND UEFA...... So ..tha name of the secont president from OLIMPIAKOS is THEODORIDIS SAVVAS....now is dead from this fucking CANCER..i hope to him have a good life in the sky with the other FUNS FROM ALL THE FOUTBALL TEAMS.....so if you see the FIRSTS 5.6.7 NAMES ABOUT THE CHIEFS AND BOSSES FROM THE OUEFA AND FIFA AFTER PRESSIDENT FIFA ...IFANDINO...AND THE PRESSIDENT OUEFA CHEFERIN ..CAN YOU FIND THE NAME THEODORIS TOO IN THIS LIST....because is the son of the secont president from OLYMPIAKOS.......so now can you think wht OUEFA AND FIFA made or make nothing about this team........ And if you want more fun about THIS COMeDY CAN YOU LOOK about draws in the final or semifinal qualifiers before the GROUP for champion leage...also can you look about the other draws from the other GREEK TEAMS WHEN THEY PLAY QUALIFERS.....for example PAOK try the LAST 5 or 6 last years to get in the groups with 3o 4o round from the qualifers...and the draws always send PAOK TO PLAY with BENFIKA AND AJAX........PAOK had PLAY more times WITH BENFIKA and less WITH OLIMPIAKOS IN THE GREEK LIGA....:)........ WHY happent that with draws....?!?!?!? ANSWER because the money from OUEFA is STANDAR ..for every country...and shared the theams that contineou in the same institution...FXM 32milion ....if will be 2 teams in the group then take the half....so what is better 32 or 15 million......and if one tema take 1 time the 15 million..she can make best team from the last year......!!!!1
If my boy alfie goes missing we all know why...
Hahahahahahha we will search on the bottom of the sea in Piraeus
The quality of greek football really dropped after the 2004 Euro. As a Greek the situation just gets worse every day and it really prevents me from beeing proudful of Greece's achievements in European and worldwide level.
Το μεγαλύτερο πρόβλημα είναι η διαφθορά που υπάρχει στις μικρότερες ομάδες και στις μικρότερες ακαδημίες το ότι δεν επενδύουν σε νέους Έλληνες παίχτες δεν δουλεύουν σωστά στης ακαδημίες και δεν μαθαίνουν στα παιδιά σωστή μπάλα.Επισης φταει ότι δεν υπάρχει σοβαρός ανταγωνισμός και διάθεση απ άλλες ομάδες πριν του ΠΑΟΚ να επενδύσουν και να ανταγωνιστούν τον Ολυμπιακό η ΑΕΚ πείτε πρωτάθλημα συγκυριακά.Το θέμα είναι πως δεν ασχολούνται άνθρωποι που δεν ξέρουν πραγματικά μπάλα και οι έληψει του επαγγελματισμού απ όλες της ομάδες εκτός του ολυμπιακου σε όλα τα επίπεδα.
Brah apart from that lucky 2004 euro win Greece national team never had any 4finals of neither Euro or World Cup. So greece was never a big team in football. But if you want to qualify for a tournament start using more of your own in your own league 😃
@@alexanderdobrev9428 i am not only talking about football but sports in general because the same issues that this video points out exist in other sports. Greece has had great achievements in basketball and in track. I am talking about Greece's achievements in all kinds of sports which are shadowed by corruption.
@@user-yb6bh3nf2cCorruption in Balkans its hard to handle.You invented Democracy but no nation in Balkans beside you know what really is democracy. The more you protest with actions,the less corruption will be.
@@alexanderdobrev9428 i totally agree with what you said. I also believe that only through protests will this problem be solved
Not to forget, the case of Iraklis. The only club that was relegated 3 times from the football administration even though the club was finishing always in the top half.
The wrong thing here is not that Iraklis relegated (It was fair decisions) but that other teams didn't relegate as they should, including the most top teams.
Yeah, as if you don't deserve a relegation when your license folder to the football federation includes fake numbers signatures from the tax authorities.
@@problematic6523 are you an asteras tripolis fan? ..as if the other football clubs didn't have fake numbers on their folders. I guess that's why they dinied to reveal them after iraklis request. They even changed the relegation rules every single time after they relegated iraklis, so that other big clubs with financial problems wouldn't relegate.
@@Par1s4 kinda weird that one of these relagations coincided with having Levadeiakos, owned by Kompotis, a known friend of Marinakis, stay up. And kinda weird that communications between Zagorakis, our "hero" of Euro 04 and later owner of PAOK, and other presidents were published were they were commenting "yeah lets get Iraklis relegated fuck them"
Iraklis has the wrong name, the olichargy don't like Hercules teachings.
The truth is that the owners of all the top 4 Greek clubs (Olympiacos,Panathinaikos,AEK & PAOK) are highly controversial.Whichever club you support,you have to admit that these owners are very toxic.They just attack and insult each other and they refuse to talk and cooperate.We are so busy fighting with each other that we don't see that Greek football is going from bad to worst.All we want is to watch football without having to hear about referring and corruption every now and then.
Άσε μας ρε μαλακα που είναι το ίδιο ο τσιγκούνης ο Αλαφούζος και ο Μελισσανίδης με τον έμπορο ναρκωτικών το Μαρινάκη και τον μαφιόζο το Σαββιδη
@@arisanagno0024 Όλοι μαφιόζοι είναι, μην το ψάχνεις. Σαπιλα χαρακτηρίζει το όλο σύστημα. Αυτοί οι 4 μαζί με Βαρδινογιάννη και κάποιους άλλους, είναι αυτοί που κινούν τα νήματα στην Ελλάδα.
@@arisanagno0024 Καμία σχέση. Άλλο τα λαθραία τσιγάρα του Ιβάν, άλλο οι απάτες του Αλαφούζου, άλλο το εμπόριο ναρκωτικών του Βαγγέλα και άλλο το εμπόριο όπλων και ανθρώπων του Τίγρη.
@@nikoskalantzis1317 άσε με ρε μαλακα που μεταφέρει ανθρώπους ακούς ότι ηλίθια φήμη υπάρχει είναι τσιγκούνης είναι κακός άνθρωπος αλλά μη το γαμαμε. Ο Αλαφούζος είναι απατεώνας μεν αλλά νόμιμος απατεώνας (εκτός των παράνομων εμπορευμάτων που μεταφέρει αλλά αυτό το κάνουν όλοι οι μεγάλοι εφοπλιστές). Σε αντίθεση τον Μαρινακη τον έχουν πιάσει να μετακινεί ναρκωτικά και ας μη καταδικάστηκε και ο Σαββιδης κουβαλούσε όπλο στο γήπεδο ο κωλο μαφιόζος. Αυτά είναι γεγονότα όχι φήμες και αυτό χωρίζει τον Αλαφούζο και τον Μελισσανίδη από τους άλλους δυο αλήτες
@@odysskon8127 όχι δεν είναι.Δεν συγκρίνονται ο ναρκεμπορος και ο μαφιόζος με τους άλλους δύο
As I'm watching this as an Arsenal fan, everyone on Arsenal's subreddit thinks things against Arsenal are bad. Then I watched this video about Greek football and now I'm thinking that the EPL is doing alright.
Yea I'm an arsenal fan as well. Were absolutely fine all things considered.
what are you talking about? you are not even close... in greece the thing is that the ECL ticket is the only thing that matters... if you qualify for ecl you got >20mil euro in the pocket... meanwhile aside from olympiacos and maybe paok the rest of the teams have budgets smaller than 20m... in epl you literally have billions from sponsors alone and your teams care more for the premiership than ecl because they make more money from that.
Im a greek arsenal fan
The start of the corruption in Greece started in 2000...(or at least that is when things went to a ridiculous level)
More in the late 90 to be accurate
1995-1996 ;)
@@konstantinospapadakis8045 1996-1997
@@user-wp5so5md1i Τα παρασκήνια είχαν ξεκινήσει νωρίτερα! Εκείνη τη χρονιά ξεκινήσε το σοου!
I feel like the fact that everyone's disagreeing on this backs up the original point
Something extra: before 2011, Panathinaikos was a team that was developing, they had beaten the Champions League winning team, Inter away from home, finishing top of their Champions League group had star players like Cisse and Gilberto Silva, 2004 stars like Seitaridis, Karagounis, Katsouranis e.t.c. and youngsters like Ninis, Fourlanos and Mavrias(people playing FM would remember them). After what happened, almost everyone left and the club got into a financial crisis, basically destroyed the biggest rival of Olympiakos. This also had a huge impact in Greek European performances. With Panathinaikos out of the picture, Greece fell from the 10th place in club rankings, at their current 18th.
and now the only most memorable player is a former man utd one match wonder federico macheda
This wasn't only panathinaikos and also olympiakos was doing some great wins so
@@efthimischrtk They were doing some great wins. But unfortunately they were followed by crucial defeats. Panathinaikos topped their group by winning every team of the group. Olympiakos on the other hand, usually failed to win the top team, win the second team once and win the third team twice. 9 points that however don't help in getting forward in Champions League and get the free points of qualifying in the next stage...
@@yudhabagaskara98 no he is not. he is not even a starter .
No, Panathinaikos wasn't developing. Yes the spuad was great but there was a huge debt. It was a bubble ready to explode. It exploded when olympiacos retook control of the Greek food federation after 1 year of Panathinaikos dominance.He wasn't ready for such great spending in the middle of a financial crisis general.
Thank you for covering this! It doesn't get enough attention outside of Greece just how corrupt our football system is
Πονεμένος και εσυ
@@atemakos5989 First they hurt you then thry fight you then you win. You wont defeat us this time beacause all the other 13 teams are against you. Not against marinakis but against Olympiakos. Προσεχετε καλα λοιπόν!
As a Greek, it really sucks to see our country's football getting ruined. I hope that one day, corruption will cease to exist in Greek football, and every Greek football fan will be able to proudly enjoy this amazing sport. We don't want to get deprived of good quality football anymore.
Να απαγορευτεί η συμμετοχή ελληνικών ομάδων στην Ευρώπη. Έτσι οι μαφιόζοι δεν θα έχουν κανένα κέρδος από το ποδόσφαιρο και θα πάρουν τον πούλο επιτέλους
@@zachos0275 να απαγορεύθει η λιγκα τελείως και να αναδιωργανωθει και όλοι οι παράγοντες να μπουν φυλακή και λολες οι ομάδες να ναι οικονομικά ανεξάρτητες και να υπάρχει το 50 +1
Γιατί δεν έχουμε αλλάξει το όνομα σε Σούπερ Λίγδα ακόμα δε μπορώ να καταλάβω... 🤔
Χαχαχαχαχαχα σωστό και ρεαλιστικό
Football in Greece is more of a mafia than a sport...
@@adonis4816 did Savvidis ever kill attack or burn anybody's bussiness for that matter, just like Marinakis does?
@@adonis4816 He didn't whip out a gun, he just had it in his belt and showed it by accident. Don't act like he had the intension to use it. Αs for him owning 2 teams you know that's BS, the case went to european courts and they proved PAOK had nothing to do with Xanthi.
@@adonis4816 You cannot prove Marinakis is innocent, however the european court proved Savvidis is, it is expected that Greek courts will always favour Marinakis and olympiacos as the new democracy party is manipulated by Marinakis himself
@@adonis4816 Wow you really are deep in to propaganda. Maybe start processing things on your own a little bit
@@adonis4816 did he fire as well? I can’t recall
And you didn't even talk about the scandals of olympiakos during the kokkalis period...one of the strongest oligarchs in Greek football.
Pray to St Pastistio, the Patron Saint of Fakelaki........
You can't prove anything about that
Σωκράτης.....ο ΜΠΑΜΠΑΣ σας
Corruption is possibly the true national sport of Greece. Though corruption seems a feature of every aspect of the sport. And one day, if not addressed, people will find other things to do than watch it.
Day 1: what on earth is going on with Bolton
@Ego Master gods country? 😂
@Ego Master didn’t know what gods country meant. See what u mean now.
maybe what on earth is going on with portsmouth as well
@@champeone7061 at least they’re on the way up. Kind of.
@@champeone7061 We are fighting back, we just slip up often like yesterday against plymouth. coming 2-0 down. but 2-2 back.
Unfortunately that's half the story. There is immediate connection between team owners and political parties. The HFF have for the last 3-4 years a new president backed by PAOK and AEK owners. The previous 3 years displayed significant changes in Greek football such as the appointment of foreign referees in Greek derbies and the induction of VAR, the rise of PAOK at the same time its owner Mr Savvidis started getting major state properties in Salonica for very low prices, the New stadium of AEK after the club got relegated to the third division and their debts got magically erased by law, all of which are unfortunately part of the same corruption process. There have been claims and actual convictions of team having the same owners (PAOK and Xanthi), a case that forced the previous government to change the law that dictates punishments in the same night the ruling was announced so that PAOK don't get relegated and allegations that PAOK uses the same system of satellite teams as Olympiacos used to do. The same people that got convinced in the Koriopolis scandal remain still in Greek clubs, such as Volos NFC (a distorted offspring of Olympiacos Volos), with its owner and actually mayor of the city previously a Marinakis supporter, now a Savvidis one. FYI Volos created 5 years ago, got in the first division extremely fast coincidentally after the change of the HFF backed by Savvidis. Marinakis backed the new government of New Dimokratia in 2019 and within one year he won the league and got acquitted. So there are two corrupted gangs fighting each other right now and actually the better team is winning the championship right now.. So at least there's that
The HFF president backed by AEK was fully impartial and no significant issue popped up nor were there any issues regarding discrepancies and favoritism towards AEK. His worth has been confirmed by people of all affiliations. Debts "magically" disappearing was the law back then. The team became an amateur club instead of remaining a professional one. And it kinda fitted the talent of the team to be fair. The team still climbed back to the top tier fair and square. Any team could have used that rule at the point. I agree it was not that logical of a rule which is why it does not exist anymore. But you can not blame a club for playing by a rule that made the most sense for them. AEK's new stadium is fully legal, got all the necessary permits and financial aspects required. There is a lot of criticism that can be pointed to AEK's way, but not corruption and not playing by the rules. Especially when the 2008 title got taken away from them in such a manner.
Anything you said about PAOK's scandals and its politically influenced rivalry with Olympiacos is correct.
@@probrosdfa8947 Oh come on even though AEK didn't particularly benefit from the corrupted situation of Greek football (although they won a championship based in a very controversial decision three years ago), its president (Melissanidis) has benefited immensely. He bought the team debt free, even though it was legal but the same law got pulled right after that and other teams such as Iraklis got played. He became the major shareholder during the privatization of the Greek state betting organization. He crushed every justified and unjustified resistance from local authorities and residents for the new stadium, with major political influence and fan pressure, even with threats, and he also influenced the election of an AEK we'll known supporter as mayor of New Filadelfia (the municipality in which AEK's Stadium is located), a thing that mostly Savvidis and Marinakis are known for. He influenced, in many cases even with voter fraud and buying votes allegedly, a great amount of the election of the local HFF departments. The only thing is that he never had satellite teams like the others. He tried to bring down Marinakis together with Savvidis but somehow the last two years have given up (*coughs* same political party *coughs*). The whole system is fucked. Lower leagues are extremely fucked with presidents that money launder, fix matches and are yes men to the owners of the big teams. There are major links with Greek football and organized crime. And those things, even greater than hunting down Marinakis, were never addressed after Koriopolis. Greek football is fucked. After Covid is way more fucked. Sad times, no end in sight.
@@slayerfotis7 I'm really struggling of how AEK is the controversial part of winning that title. Saturday night they're top of the league with a nice point gap to second placed PAOK thanks to justified penalties handed to PAOK earlier in the year. in that very night the points were returned to PAOK and the previously empty Toumba (based on penalties) suddenly got sold out. Then during the game after talking to his offical the referee chose to disallow a goal labeled as offside. Then after PAOK president cause havoc on the pitch by bringing out an actual gun (prohibited by law) the referee suddenly decided to count the goal from his locker room... Where no cameras existed to say what had happened that led him to said decision. And then due to the gun incident measures were taken. How does that make it controversial on AEK's behalf? The thing about New Philadelphia, did he really put him in that office? The majority of people in that are born and bred as AEK fans, isn't it logical that they would vote for someone that was gonna restore history and bring back AEK to where she belongs? In regard to him getting the club without any debts etc. Yes he followed the law and did it. How do you blame him? Other teams did it as well. It's sad what happened to Iraklis and it's nice to see fans trying to restore the team, but that's not sth AEK can be blamed for. Plus the rule didn't get changed as soon as AEK did that. Some years did pass.
@@slayerfotis7 I'm not familiar with the HFF voting cases you're referring to so I can neither agree or disagree with your statements. I haven't seen people complain about Melissanidis doing such stuff to the detriment of other teams etc so I wouldn't know in general. Him not stepping up to Marinakis and not actively trying to minimize his power is sth I've criticized in the past. Most teams should try and do that, you're right.
I mean, us Chelsea fans loved Olympiakos for knocking Arsenal out of the Europa League last year
I am sorry we didn’t knock out wolves
@@Kritikakis Sorry for what ?? The game was fixed
@@Kritikakis UEFA MAFIA
Thank you Alfie thank you finally a video about greek corruption
@Demetris games Ναι για να φτάσει σε αυτό το σημείο όμως επί 20 χρόνια βίαζε το άθλημα βγήκε τσλ πόσες φορές και έχτισε όνομα
@Demetris games Όχι Όμως το ότι έγινε θα το λέμε
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There has been way too much damage done in this league and the last thing that I see happening is this league is things getting better... The fact that Greek football has seen it's biggest downfall and nothing is being done about it is very concerning and I don't wanna imagine what is gonna happen in the years to come. Thanks for making this vid Alfie, it's nice to see outsiders be educated about the fucked up situation of Greek football
The league isn't saved until people like Marinakis are forever out.
Day 9: 7 best forwards who have fewer career goals than Sergio Ramos.
Or Ronald Koeman
@@hilmanrashid6811 he just has too much goals
They have to be above 29 tho for example if you say someone like Rhian Brewster it would be unfair
@@bluest.9320 great point
@@bluest.9320 but is he one of the best?
The only hope for Greek football will come from outside the country. But I am not so sure that FIFA or UEFA are giving a s.... Maybe corruption is not only a Greek phenomenon.
What do you mean. Olympiacos have under their command even upstairs in UEFA
Yes olympiacos is the government all over the world Obviously olympiacos "stole" the win from marseille arsenal draw with Tottenham and Eindhoven Stop mate if olympiacos had help from Uefa they would have won a European title by now
@@user-zj2gm7de4q but yo dont deny that olympiacos has messed up greek football
@@chrisioannidis2295 yes but he is not the only
@@user-zj2gm7de4q so what? will we support a serial killer and famous criminal because there are other thieves as well? please..
Love the video, as a forest fan i have always wanted to know more about EM. A rise and fall of nottingham forest would be very interesting to watch, seeing as we were the first ever european cup winners in the third domestic division.
be a short video, 2 words David Platt
@@panagiotistheocharis2299 Hahaha. So amusing. As he said in an interview, "nothing is proven against me in court". But, according to the district attorney, the gang that fixed matches in Greek football existed and he was the main figure in it. It's just that the crimes were "expired". And, between you and me, everybody knew he will be acquitted. But, in reality, nothing was answered in these proceedings. For example, after the disgraceful match against Panathinaikos in 2011, the one characterized as "the biggest alteration of result in the Greek Championship", he was recorded talking on the phone with another main figure of the match-fixing scandals in Greece, taking the advice to "send security in order to protect the referees of this match." Can you answer why he had to do this? I guess not. And don't tell me that all multi-millionaires have ties to organized crime. I know that. But no one has done the things that E. Marinakis has done to Greek football. No one.
@@panagiotistheocharis2299 Olympiakos is the best team in Greece and I enjoy watching them the most. However you must be severely brainwashed or just an utter pos if you support they are innocent. Their ways of manipulation are blatantly clear. They are not hiding anymore, as they have protection through relationships with the criminals that govern the whole country too. Then when there is an accusation against their methods , they gaslight everyone. This country is a disgrace to every humane and intelligent person and I, among others want to abandon it.
@@panagiotistheocharis2299 Of course they are corrupt too, however Olympiakos' case is not just for some suspicious matches, like other popular Greek teams . It's throughout every season for the past 20 years, half the matches I watch (and trust me, I was a passionate Olympiakos supporter from 2010 up to 2016) seem to be fixed. The continuous mistakes in favor of them can not be a mere coincidence. The situation in European competitions where the corruption is very real too, can not justify Greek corruption. We have to be better than this crap. Olympiakos and Paok have very talented teams at the moment and they have a real chance to reinforce the league and the national team.
@@panagiotistheocharis2299 Where I am from is irrelevant, although it's not hard to find it. I tried to be taken seriously and I failed . If you like football as much as I do, one day, truth will shine for you too . I just want Greek fans to mainly talk about pure football and tactics, awarding a nice pile of shit to the corrupt club owners. Good luck to your footballers against PSV , I will never respect Marinakis and his associates though.
It's very sad that Greece is full of corruption. Especially in football Greece has the potential to have a top-10 league because it's a country that players would love to go to as well. So much potential, so much love for the sport but unfortunately nothing made of it.
Love the videos about lesser leagues around the world, as someone interested in the Greek league I would love more deep deep dives into different leagues
I love that you made this video but your pronunciation of Greek names will always make me laugh
Very well done video. Now let's talk about some simple facts and some personal opinions mostly based on Greek clubs. FC's are businesses and the people running them use them for either making some profit and/or laundering money. With enough connections and a good legal team you can get away with it either by never getting caught doing it , having the offence dismissed prior/during court or taking so much time that it reaches its statute of limitation. Big4 (AEK-OLYMPIAKOS-PANATHINAIKOS-PAOK) club owners also have the advantage of being in charge of an army of fans which means political pressure to make things go your way (in the other businesses they run outside football) with a little push by the state as to not upset your fans (voters) There are no Saints in Greek Football. The majority of presidents from the major league down to the amateur/semi-professional leagues are or have been in some way of form criminals. The loan system you mentioned is much deeper that what it seems. There are numerous cases where Olympiakos would approach teams to buy a player often for an absurd amount and the player would remain in the team he was bought from for few years until they released him back to the team on "free transfer" or he would roam around the Greek league on loan until he was set on "free transfer" list. Many of those players have ended up playing in teams lesser than the one they originally came from , lower divisions or mid-bottom teams in weaker championships around Europe. Coincidence that's repeating stops being a coincidence. Another fun facts about this is that players would spent a good 3-4 years in a mid-top club with descent/good performance and never even be considered to be called for the National team. As soon as they signed for Olympiakos they were in even though they had zero official games played for them. We all know that National team caps = money for the club that owns you , boost for your price as a player and more exposure to scouts. Lastly if people think that feuds between presidents or the government and presidents is about football then please go get a lobotomy to save us all. It's about money and influence. Football has stopped being a sport for the people but a playground for the rich. P.S Another fun fact. Theodoros Theodoridis the GS of UEFA (former Hellenic Football Federation member) is the son of the late honorary president of Olympiakos Savvas Theodoridis (veteran player of the club). Just saying.. P.P.S There has not been a president of Olympiakos for the last 40+ years that was not in legal trouble. Only half of them got convictions and spent/ are spending time in jail..
Fan fact: the term calciopoli itself was a play on words on the term tangentopoli (used by italian media to define the bribe scandal in Italian politics in the 90s) and this term was coined by a man who is a friend of mine and that I went on vacation with.
It pains me to watch this video being Greek.
Η αλήθεια πονάει
@@Kats072307 δεν είμαι καν Ολυμπιακός φίλε, με στενοχωρεί η κατάσταση του ποδοσφαίρου στην Ελλάδα γενικά.
αληθεια ολυμπιακος ειμαι, αλλα κανενας πονος ουτε ντροπη(ειχα λιγο πονο για την ομαδα, αλλα σταρχιδια μου κι αυτο γιατι οι ιδιοι οι οπαδοι που χανουν χρονο απο την ζωη τους για αυτο το πραγμα δεν ενδιαφερονται να το προστατεψουν)... απλα αδιαφορια... να ντραπω εγω γιατι κλεβει ο μαρινακης?! σταρχιδια μου ρε φιλε... δεν υποστηριζω αλλη ομαδα εκτος του ολυμπιακου, ουτε μπαρτσες ουτε μαρτσες ουτε τπτ... για πολλα χρονια μου ειχαν κοψει την μπαλα... μετα εβαλα οτε και καθομουνα και εβλεπα πρεμιερ... ακομα δεν υποστηριζω αλλη ομαδα, αλλα τουλαχιστον βλεπω μπαλα...
@@MojoBonzo βαλε μπουντεσλιγκα να χαρεις και λιγο ομορφο ποδοσφαιρο τουλαχιστον
You should do one of this about FC Porto. Their President has been caught multiple times (with many phone leaks out there) for corruption, the club was charged with corruption but only lost 6 points after already being champions by double digits, while Boavista, charged of the same crime, dropped divisions. Theres so much stuff about them i’d be here all day.
The sheer number of FAČR badges throughout the intro about corruption is shockingly accurate
What's happening there?
Mam rad ČR a ne FAČR, Berbr je to slovo na č...😃
Could we have some subtitles please? This seems really interesting but I can't understand everything and the auto-generated ones aren't that accurate
Would Gary Neville aggressively repeating everything help?
you can turn down the speed so it may be easier to understand
you can turn down the speed so it may be easier to understand
@@man4437 ohh I'd love that
In a game between Aris Thessaloniki FC and Asteras Tripolis an Aris fan through a n empty bottle with no cap at the 4th referee . The 4th referee playacted and got the match suspended . When she went to the hospital the doctors kicked her out as she had absolutely no damage on her ribs where the bottle supposingly hit. However this led , to penalties given against Aris FC which led to the teams final fall to the 2nd Division and ultimately to the third after being bankrupt in 2014 . The team is now back at the highest division and are doing good but suffered from 5 years at the lower levels of greek football . One of the biggest scandals yet
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Mate you were barely alive in 2014, dont paint it as the penalty relegated you.
@@irthamepali I agree idk if you are greek but the incident happened on 2012 when aris had a better team , since the penalties against the actual football came the downfall came . The penalties are one reason that it happened but that is why I include bankruptcy
Ψεύτη δεν έπεσες Β αλλά βγήκες 9ος εκείνη την χρονιά, όταν διακόπηκε έχανες 0-1 και το μπουκάλι δεν ήταν άδειο
@@X3rolas1 ρε φίλε δεν είπα ποτέ ότι η ομάδα έπεσε εκείνη την χρονιά συγκεκριμένα το comment αναφέρει ότι έγινε το 2014 μετά από χρεοκοπία αλλά κάποια πράγματα έφταιξαν για να γίνει αυτή η χρεοκοπία. Ένα από αυτά ήταν αυτό . Τώρα για το μπουκάλι διάφορες θεωρίες υπάρχουν δεν ξέρω τι έγινε ακριβώς αλλά και πότε δεν θα μάθω .
You forgot to mention the scandal between paok and aek in 2018 where aek won one of the most controversial championships of greek football
Only in Thessaloniki is considered controversial! If he makes a video you gonna comment to his video "NO THIS IS NOT WHAT HAPPENS THEY STOLE US" and i will be there give you a like mate! Love and peace only!
@@konstantinospapadakis8045 its like you see it you see it this way I see it from the other side but still I respect your opinion
Και εγω παοκ είμαι ρε φίλε αλλά ο Σαββίδης έκανε μαλακια να μπουκάρει με το όπλο στο γήπεδο. Δεν ήταν ούτε η πρώτη ούτε η τελευταία φορά που θα δούμε να συμβαίνουν τέτοιες αδικίες στο ποδόσφαιρο, αλλά η αντίδραση δεν θα έπρεπε ποτέ να είναι αυτή. Σαν να μπουκαρε ο abrahmovic μετά τον ημιτελικό με την μπαρτσελονα που ο διαιτητής δεν είχε δώσει πέναλτι σε 2-3 ξεκάθαρες φάσεις υπέρ της Chelsea με πιστόλι. Ποια πιστεύεις θα ήταν η τιμωρία της Chelsea αν γινόταν κάτι τέτοιο? -3 την επόμενη σεζόν? Εγώ πάντως πιστεύω θα ήταν πολύ πιο βαριά η τιμωρία
@@bigclark7366 φιλε μου συμφωνώ μαζι σου αλλα πες μου εσυ πιστεύεις οτι είδαν το οπλο απο που μονο αν ηταν απο πισω του αλλιος πολυ δυσκολα να το ειδαν
@@theoooo937 σημασία έχει αν το είδαν ή ότι το κουβαλούσε στη μέση? Είναι ένα γεγονός που με τους περισσότερους συνοπαδους μου διαφωνώ, συμφωνώ στο ότι έπρεπε να μετρήσει το γκολ αλλά όχι στην κίνηση του Σαββίδη να μπει στο γήπεδο.
Unless I missed it, in which case I apologize, it should be mentioned that for the Noor 1 case, most of the key witnesses have been found dead by very dubious circumstances (for example one witness who was also a publicist of a newspaper was driving his Porsche one day when suddenly it exploded for no apparent reason, instantly killing that guy), and multiple prosecutors have either resigned or even flew the country, under the apparent fear for their safety. Look, all of you guys who live outside Greece have little to no idea how much dirty everything is, particularly sport, Marinakis and his allies (one of whom is Yannis Alafouzos, owner of Panathinaikos, and owner of the Skai group, which is essentially Greece's equivalent of Fox News) used their media and their influence they have on football fans in order to bring the far-right party New Democracy into power with tragic consequences in our lives, particularly in these COVID-19 times and its awful mishandling of that..
νταξει οχι και far-righ η νεα δημοκρατικά σκουπίδια είναι,και έχουν ακροδεξιούς βουλευτες ,αλλά δεξιούς σκέτο θα τους χαρακτήριζα
@@Neekos4 auto
@@Neekos4 φιλε εχει ισχυρα στελεχη που εχουν ακροδεξιο παρελθον και αποψεις,οποτε δεν εχει και πολυ αδικο...
Day 19: best Xl of players that would be eligible to play for the Catalan national team (even if they already play for another country)
Day 7: Top 15 ranked National teams' golden generations if they were compiled into a league format
Not a single mention about Paok's owner owning both Paok and Xanthi and both clubs getting only a few point deduction instead of relegation.
You mean the one that was brought to CAS and cleared PAOK of the peanlty? You simply cant have a penalty without a trial.
@@irthamepali Το κας δεν αποφάσισε, γύρισε την απόφαση πίσω. Η δικη εκκρεμεί, ο Ρώσος έχει εξαφανιστεί, ετοιμάσου να γυρίσεις εκεί που ήσουν μια ζωή
@@grce8849 Αυτό λεώ, το CAS πολύ απλά, στρωτά και κατανοητά είπε οτι δεν γινεται να βγαζεις αποφάσεις χωρις δίκη. Από την αρχή ΟΛΟΙ οι Παοκτζηδες λέμε να γίνει σώστη δίκη και εαν έκανε μπουρδα ο Σαββίδης να φάμε ποινή. Μακεδονία παλας είναι μπρατ.
@@irthamepali Χαίρομαι που βλέπω παοκτζηδες να αντιλαμβάνονται τι συμβαίνει. Μόνοι σας θα τον κυνηγάτε τον ρωσο για αυτά που κάνει
@@grce8849 Πολύ καφρίλα έχεις
Great video as always! You should try to do a simmilar one for Croatian football as a big number of people don’t support the croatian football association ( HNS ) even despite the world cup final for such a small country.
So that's why Greece national team are becoming suck day by day.
damn finally thank you Alfie
Im Greek, I demand this video done in a more sarcastic version by the Irish guy
R.i.p. Alfie. He was found dead in a car accident like many witnesses of the Noor 1 case
If you want to learn the hidden truth from a Greek: In Greece everything is connected to politics. So briefly: 1989-1995: Panathinaikos owner is George Vardinogianis (shipowner,oilowner) and the political party in goverment is New Democracy (liberal-conservative). Panathinaikos dominates the League 1996-2003: Olympiakos owner is Sokratis Kokkalis (entrepreneur,telecommunication,shipowner) and the political party in goverment is PASOK (social democratic). Olympiakos dominates the league 2004: New Democracy is re-elected, so Panathinaikos wins the league. Then changes owner. 2005-2009: Olympiakos dominates the league, in Sokratis Kokkalis last years. 2010: Panathinaikos wins the league (Djibril Cisse era). Olympiakos changes owner. The new owner is Evaggelos Marinakis (shipowner, drugs, guns). Marinakis and his family is related to a lot of members in New Democracy. 2011-2015: New Democracy is re-elected and Olympiakos dominates the league. 2015: SYRIZA is the first Left-Radical Progressive Alliance political party that is elected in Greek Goverment and Alexis Tsipras is the new Prime Minister. In these 4 year, three teams win the league (Olympiakos 2 titles, AEK Athens 1 title (since1994), PAOK Thessaloniki 1 title (since 1984). Its the first time since the 80's that 3 different teams win the league in such a short period. ---------------- KEY FACT-------------- In 2014 ‘Noor 1’, a ship owned by Marinakis, was investigated by the Greek Coast Guard and found tons of herroine. Alexis Tsipras wants to go Marinakis to a trial for drug trafficking (check wikipedia). Marinaki's assasins kill all ship crew and witness. In this period Marinakis buys a lot of Newspapers, Political bloggs and TV Channels and start a war with Alexis Tsipras (SYRIZA Leader and Prime Minister) 2019: New Democracy is re-elected, with Kyriakos Mitsotakis as leader and Prime Minister. Marinakis and Mitsotakis are realated (Marinakis is godfather of Mitsotakis newphew). Also Marinakis is sponsor in New Democracy. 2020-Now: Olympiakos and New Democracy dominate everything in Greece and Marinakis owns the whole country under dictatorship. This is not a scenario for new Netflix Series. This is the real life in Greece.
Τουλάχιστον με τον Γιώργο Βαρδινογιάννη βλέπαμε μπάλα και μοιρασμένα πρωταθλήματα
Multiple refereeing decisions benefiting olympiacos with the worst one being katsouranis getting a clear goal disallowed as offside while having at least 5 players in front of him. Konstantineas a Greek referee had a bomb placed in his bakery after a match between olympiacos and xanthi he officiated ended in a draw. Tzilos got his legs broken after a match of olympiacos again against xanthi ended in a draw and he was the ref. Phone calls got leaked where it was clear to see that there are matches being fixed behind the scenes with marinakis being in the forefront, but he never got judged about it. Last but not least the whole noor 1 where a ship belonging to marinakis was investigated and 3 tons, i believe, of heroin were found on board and somehow every witness died over the next few years either through car crashes or "heart attacks", the ship magically disappeared and mobile phones containing evidence got lost alongside the ship. Despite the evidence being out there for everyone to see olympiacos fans either are refusing to face reality or are too stupid to understand it, I tend to lean toward the latter one
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Butthurt fans from rival teams in need of showing their drama in foreigners, hoping UEFA will mercy them, even if their footballers are 2nd division athletes. Πέτρα, πετρα θα σας βάλουμε τον φούρνο του Κωνσταντινέα, βαζελες και βαζελοφιλοι
@@typenull3367 καθόλου δεν πονάω και σε αντίθεση με εσάς μπορώ και κοιμάμαι με καθαρή συνείδηση
@@bigclark7366 ενώ εμείς κοιμόμαστε με τύψεις που δε πήρε πρωτάθλημα ο Γεωργέας, ο Βυντρα και ο Μουσλιμοβιτς 😂
@@typenull3367 άλλη ομάδα δεν πήρε πρωτάθλημα στα χαρτιά πάρα μόνο ο γαυρος από την αεκ, και το "μάρκαρα και εγω τον κατσουρανη" το βάζω στο πάνθεον ποδοσφαιρικής αδικίας μαζί με το χέρι του Θεού και το ακυρωμένο γκολ του λαμπαρντ κόντρα στους Γερμανούς το 14, (ίσως και το χέρι του Μανιάτη να έχει θέση στο πάνθεον). Τέλος να σου κάνω μια ερώτηση, επιλέγετε να κλείνετε τα μάτια σε όσα έχει κάνει ο χοντρός ή είστε όντως τόσο ηλιθιοι και πιστεύετε πως είναι καθαρός?
Could you make a video on the Basque Country national team which left Spain during the Spanish Civil War to raise funds for the region going on tour around Europe and North America. The team also took part in the first ever Mexican Football League in 1938/39 coming 2nd and included some of the best players in Spain at the time including Isidro Langara, Luis Regueiro, Jose Iraragorri, Guillermo Gorostiza, Leonardo Cilaurren etc.
Day 1: 7 best wartime footballers (I know this screams of Alfie)
Lily parr should be in that list
Day 1: Seven players who disappeard after the 2014 world cup
Θρύλος, ο μπαμπάς σας.
Από το βίντεο δεν είδες ούτε λεπτό έτσι;
@@zachos0275 Γιατί θα καταλάβει τίποτα?
I think you should have talked a little bit more about Noor1 scandal. 9 dead witnesses through the years, 2 or 3 head judges left the country and port workers who were patrolling the port that night were transferred to thessaloniki.
MARINAKIS IS INNOCENT G GO RESEARCH AND THEN TALK
@@boeskingsalim1261 🐏🐏
I have to say that I have really enjoyed this channel videos, especially the ones taking on more obscure issues, because it was stuff I had never heard of and always assumed that there was some basic research done. Having watched the amount of research or in this case lack of research done for this one, I doubt that anything on this channel is accurate. I think the only sources used Djibril Cisse rants and some tweets by fan newspapers from Greece. The most disturbing fact is that nowhere in the video there's any representation of what the other side says. The video mentioned more than once that noone has been found guilty and that is pretty much it. However it would be very interesting to the audience to at least present one of these cases, what were the accusations, where those accusations were based and why there were dismissed, usually in case of corruption dismissal are really funny and absurd. The rants of Djibril Cisse are considered facts and based on the controversy faced by his team during the the 2010-2011 campaign where his team was blatantly wronged in their direct clash against Olympiacos, however there is no mention of the fact that prior to that game his team was 7 points behind and a win would mean just a reduction to 4 points which are a lot for any team to cover in Greece, let alone the fact that they proceeded to lose the next games as well (although one can understand their disappointment after their unfair loss against Olympiacos). He also complained about fans and the owner mistreating him after the game which is all horrible but is not a rare occurrence for greece, for example later premier league player Kevin Mirallas was hit in the face with a heavy glass ashtray in a game where home fans were banned from attending the game. Also what Cisse does not mention is the controversies that went his way in the previous campaign 2009-2010 campaign were incidentally his team wan the championship, the most blatant of those would be the match in Salonika against rival for the title at the time PAOK. Cisse is a winner and a champion and does not like losing, and just like every other player of his caliber will bitch and moan and cry every time they lose something and this is understandable however to take his word as gospel is a misstep in my opinion. The video then goes on to talk about some issues around the name of the owner of Olympiacos, Marinakis, but mostly the Noor 1 ship which first of all has nothing to do with football and second of all the D.E.A. and Interpol are involved in this issue and have not made any allegation against him so I guess European and US authorities are also in his pocket, what I found interesting though is the fact that you bothered to check the sources of the site defending him but not the ones making the allegations. I should note that I am at no point saying that he is innocent of everything that he has been accused and I would not be surprised if he was involved in criminal activities, however in this video makes it seem like he is this mastermind controlling greek footbal with his minions. It would hurt to mention that other owners of greek clubs currently clashing with Marinakis have been proved guilty of very interesting stuff. The most awesome of this cases is one where PAOK salonika owner entered the field with a PISTOL visible in his belt to threaten the referee of the game was banned for ONLY two years from and football game but proceed to be in the stadium for the final of the greek cup later that year because the owner of the club his team was facing said it was ok. There is video proof for this. Also another owner entered the referee locker room proceeded to grab the referee by the balls and asked him to do officiate the game "better" this was written down in the referee report after the game and not in some tweet btw. Note that all the examples I used had everything to do with football many of the owners have been accused for a plethora of crimes outside football, the funniest of which would be previous Olympiacos owner Sokratis Kokkalis was accused of being a spy for the east German STAZI. My with this is that in the best case scenario for the narrative is that Marinakis is a criminal among other criminals which the video does not hint at any point. I see that the video is almost a year old and it is very unlikely that any of the creators will check this comment however in the slim chance that one does I would be very happy to provide sources for my claims.
As a football fan and Greek, I am utterly disgusted by what is happening in my country's football scheme by this man, who uses his wealth and subsequent power to fix the championship to his favour. He is responsible for the decline of many clubs such as AEK, Panathinaikos, Panionios, Aris, Iraklis and Greek football as a whole. And what did the Greek Justice do? Absolutely nothing!
Ρε μπρο δε φταει αυτος που ο Βαζελος χρεοκοπησε η η Αεκ επεσε γ'εθνικη.Οπως και για τις αλλες ομαδες.Οι ιδιοι οι προεδροι φταινε.Βεβαια σαν Ολυμπιακος μπορω να πω οτι δεν εχει κανει και τα καλυτερα ο Μαρινακης στο ελληνικο ποδοσφαιρο,αλλα η βρωμια δεν ερχεται μονο απο τον Ολυμπιακο.Ο Παοκ τα τελευταια 3 χρονια ειναι η πιο βρωμικη ομαδα,ο ΠΑΟ τη 10ετια του 1990 και ο Ολυμπιακος απο το 2000 μεχρι το 2013 μπορεις να πεις.Αλλα μη σου πω τα πραγματα με τους διαιτητες ειναο χειροτερα στη β'εθνικη απ'οτι στην Α'.Πολλες ομαδες οπως πχ η Λαμια ανεβηκαν με τεραστια βοηθεια απο διαιτησια.Θα συμφωνησω οτι ειχαμε παλια σαν παραρτημα(αν μπορω να το πω ετσι) τον Πανιωνιο,καθω ειχαμε παρει τους καλυυερους τους παικτες,αλλα για της αλλες ομαδες διαφωνω
As an Olympiacos fan i dont want to take anyones side for the corruption. In 2017 Aek won the league and reached Champions League group stage, the owner took the money and didnt support the team , till then AEK cannot contest Olympiakos. In 2018 similar thing with PAOK who didnt reach to Champions League . I want to point out that both teams got embarrassed in Europe, while Olympiacos was the only team contesting . In 2019 PAOK FC and Xanthi FC (Super League teams) were accused for being owned by Savvidis , the goverment changed the law in one night so that none team will get relegated in the 4th division. At the end of the case only Xanthi got relegated to the second division. I dont want to take anyones side , i know as all greeks know that this league is corrupted . All the Big 5 chairmans are criminals, but dont only point out Olympiacos. Savvidis (PAOK) -MoneyLaundring and owning two teams in the league, Melissanidis (AEK) was in jail 10 years ago, Alafouzos (Panathinaikos) stole ships from Romania .
dude paok went all the way to switzerland to lift the ban because the HFF was kinda corrupted, btw Marinakis didnt had any evidence
Reminds me of Egypt, I could write several full length books on how the government has always made it their top sporting priority to make sure Al Ahly are successful for political reasons. Just once I would like an honest journalist or content creator to delve very deeply into this because it will take you away from sports and towards politics in a way you wouldn’t expect from football.
Great video. Something you might like Alfie is the book champagne football about corruption in the fai (Irelands national football body). Mainly because I want to see a video about corruption in Irish football.
Day 11: What on earth is going on at Hertha BSC?
Palpatine
ha couldn’t last more than 10 seconds against sidious lmaoo /j
As a Hertha fan: Poor transfer decisions, poor coaching decisions, and poor management (investing too much money in the wrong players who don't suit the team, not filling gaps in the squad, not hiring good coaches).
Mate, as someone who watches and keeps up with Greek football (admittedly am an Olympiacos fan) I take some issue with this one. I won't defend all of Marinakis's off pitch activity - he's definitely sus in that regard, and Greek football definitely still has some issues, but it's gotten a lot better. I personally find it disrespectful to see Olympiacos in the title of this video because every big club in Greece is just as, if not more, corrupt. The Hellenic Football Federation is no longer run by someone who's "in Marinakis's pocket", and the league includes foreign (non-Greek) refs for big games (i.e., less probability of ref bias), and the day after all games, Mark Klattenburg (former Premier League and UCL ref who now works in Greece) goes over every controversial call on TV (penalty, VAR, etc) for clarity, to explain why the call was made, or admit if there was a mistake. Your comment about Olympiacos using loans as a means to sway their influence in votes is also a bit puzzling. I say this because PAOK, the second biggest club in Greece these days, LITERALLY owned another team, not in the lower leagues, but in the first division. This was Xanthi FC, who have since been relegated as a result of the point deduction they received from this offense. Literally, PAOK's owner Savvidis arranged for Xanthi to be owned by someone under his orders, and PAOK have used Xanthi to arrange transfers and loans frequently. With Xanthi having been relegated, they've since undergone some murky transfer engagement with Volos (selling Amr Warda over the summer then signing him right back in the winter for next to nothing with little negotiation). It's not rocket science that the biggest clubs loan lots of players out - it's harder for young players to get in the team, and they have more money to buy fringe players that might end up getting loaned out in the future - and it's also not rocket science that teams typically loan players out to the same place because the relationship between these teams is important (you want to be sending your player to a place where you're confident they will do well, not some random team you have no relationship with). This in my eyes is completely fair, doesn't provide an unfair benefit to a team like Olympiacos and it's very common across European football. Lastly, the comments about Olympiacos match fixing. Did they have some weird stuff going on in the 2010s? Yes. Let's not talk about that, since your title uses "are" (present tense). Have you taken a look at the table in Greece this year? Let's just say match fixing wouldn't be required to hand Olympiacos the trophy. They're clear of every other team in Greece, and if you think they're only winning games domestically because of some unfair advantage, let's talk about how they beat Arsenal last year in Europe, and played very competitively with Wolves shortly after. The team is just good... I don't know what to say. And when they haven't been good, they haven't won! PAOK won the league two years ago and AEK three years ago - for me that's rather supportive of the fact that the league isn't rigged for Olympiacos in either way. Long story short (lol surely nobody will read this), Greek football is corrupt, no doubt, and the Hellenic Football Federation is pretty awful at times (see the scheduling debacle surrounding the Greek Cup Final last year), but it's gotten better. You claim at the end of the video that it hasn't, but you also can't cite any match fixing issues since like 2012. Also, I'm rather upset you've singled out Olympiacos here. Just because Olympiacos are the biggest club in Greece means you utterly disregard PAOK literally owning another team, or the owner of PAOK charging the stadium with a gun after a game? This one could have been researched better or framed differently - all I'm going to say.
Then, based on your last sentence "This one could have been researched better or framed differently", i have to say that it's you that should do a better research before praising your beloved football team for being the best(est) all over the world. Do you think it's a coincidence that 90% of the greek football teams are against Olympiacos? That's a retorical question. Then, about what i mentioned for the research that you should have done before, let me tell you the following: 1) When Olympiacos loses a game (or even draw), everything and everyone in Greek football is guilty and suspicious (based on what Olympiacos says). When Olympiacos wins, then everything is fantastic in greek football. 2) Members of staff of Olympiacos team are convicted for beating up referees, politicians, journalists, football players and so on. Some of them are also convicted for dealing drugs. 3) Olympiacos has been buying players for Aris FC and AEL or even sending players in loan to both teams. That's a truth that nobody has the guts to admit it. The owner of Aris has stated the following: "I am an Olympiacos fan since i was a child!". Really? Just imagine the owner of Liverpool saying "I'm a ManCity fan since i was a child!". I suppose you can imagine and see the big difference. On the other hand, AEL's owner said that he's a the main legal advisor on Marinaki's companies. 4) PAOK has been accused by Olympiacos that PAOK's owner owns another team. Then, FFA accused PAOK for owning another team (without having real evidence about that) and then PAOK went to CAS to prove his innocence. Then, CAS send the case back to FFA and DEMANDED from the federation to go in another trial at which they will examine the details of the indictment. Just FYI, PAOK has been proved to be INNOCENT for this case (the trial decision has been taken a few days ago) I could write more reasons that Olympiacos is the only team in Greece that every football fan literally hates. Olympiacos is the team that won't let a team like Leicester to win the championship. Because Olympiacos wants to win everything and, most of the time, illegally. Greek football has been really good that past 4-5 years, when every year a different team won the championship. Now we're back in the era where Olympiacos doesn't want any other team to win the championship or even win a single game. Before writing any b***it about that team, try to do a better research about your beloved Olympiacos and make sure that your writings are based on real events and not just your love for your team.
@@kotsen1991 1) This is nonsensical. The Greek press says a lot of stupid shit to be fair, but the games that we have drawn this year, we deserve to. No suspicion on my part - I understand when we play poorly. 2) Not defending any off field stuff Marinaki or other officials have done. Other Greek teams are much worse (Alexis Kougias owner of AEL super corrupt lawyer for example). Do u have any recent examples of this? Cause it sounds like you don't 3) Bro what have Oly done there that's illegal. Signed AEL's goalkeeper to be their third choice GK?! LMAOO yeah such an unfair advantage. Dude as I said every team builds relationships with smaller clubs to loan their players there. Oly haven't bought a single big player from Aris or Larisa recently - we tried to buy Pinakas and Kougias didn't let us!! If we really did have the other teams in our pockets Pinakas would be in red and white by now and you know that. So stop it with those dead arguments while PAOK bring Warda back from their feeder club Volos with no negotiation despite Volos competing for 6th in the league at the time. 4) OK then.. Oly is also innocent of everything you're accusing them of. The argument works both ways... if PAOK are innocent then so are Oly. If you can acknowledge the rulings aren't always correct (ie PAOK legit owned Xanthi and it was quite clear) then we can talk about Oly corruption (I believe a while back Oly did get away with shit because the federation does a poor job) 5) You said "Olympiacos wants to win everything". No shit. That's how football works. Fans of small clubs like PAOK who bottle in Europe wouldn't understand that though so I get it. The reason Greek league is poor is not because of Olympiacos. It's because PAOK and AEK do a poor job in Europe and Pao are still reeling from the debt and all that stuff a while ago (not clearing Oly there but I hope Pao get back to being competitive and think they will in enough time). If other teams in Greece weren't literally morons (PAOK selling all their players right before Champions League qualifier games, AEK hiring one shitty manager after another, etc) then the UEFA coefficient would go up and Greek football would benefit as a whole. I'd love to see those other teams do better and not choke everything away in Europe (PAOK losing to fucking Omonoia like come on man) but that's not Olympiacos's problem. We beat Arsenal in Europe. No match fixing there. Levels to this game man you just have to understand that. People like you are just salty man and you have to understand that. In years when PAOK and AEK won the league, we didn't complain and whine about corruption or match fixing. We made smart transfers hired a good manager and won games. Obviously we have more resources financially than the other Greek teams but we outplay European sides with double the budget of Olympiacos! When you actually want to win every game, something other Greek fans wouldn't understand, that's how it works, end of story.
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my friend. It is good you covered this topic. But there are way more scandals including PAOK, AEK and many other top greek teams
Requests : Top 7 Best and Worst Premier League Sophomore Seasons Attempt 24 Context : Rate any teams, no need to be newly promoted, re promotion is ok, their 2nd seasons after surviving the first one
Everyone who was involved in Olympiacos situation was innocent after all...the last court took place a week ago and the 28 people who were accused of corruption were found innocent by the Law...
Με τέτοιους δικηγόρους και τέτοια διαφθορά περίμενες να βγαίναν ένοχοι;
@@stelios9676 δεν είναι τυχαίο που βγαίνουν πάντα αθώοι. Δηλαδή ενώ έχουμε αλλάξει 50 κυβερνήσεις σαν χώρα, όλες ασχολούνται με τέτοια θέματα;
Day 1: What on earth is going on at Bolton Wanderers Football Club?
Good job, please let us know if they try to take down your video
Great work ! as a Greek myself I have been disgusted with the way football is played here. I really do hope change comes soon.You should also have a look at Ivan Savvidis owner of PAOK.
Theres nothing wrong with the owner of PAOK (except when he enters the pitch angry becuase they stole him the championship
Thats one thing.the truth is that he bought a TV station (as Marinakis did) he bought a newspaper (as Marinakis already had) and bought factories and land in Northen Greece where most of PAOKs fans are. Also his media especially trying to force a narrative that Thessaloniki is better than Athens and that we are on some faction war bullshits.So no its not just the Gun (for which he "relinquished" club presidency).its also the second team he bought(he made the minister of sports change the ruling so PAOK doesnt get relegated as well as the second team he owned) and all of the above
2:01 That's the high school I went to.
Εις τον πουτσο μας
Finally a video about Greek football thanks alfie
Day 2: Best top flight league of every decade since 1900
I would love to hear about how some clubs went bankrupt or why some clubs reformed to another club such as Accrington before they became Accrington Stanley
Great video greetings from greece
I don't know if you already made a video on Colombian football but it would be interesting how the sport is influenced there by the drug cartels, narcos and other controversies.
About 6/7 years ago there was game at the end of the season where a team who had already qualified for promotion or European football were playing a team who just needed a point to stay up. Ladbrokes gave 55-1 on the home team to win. The team towards the top of, who were playing at home, were given odds that you wouldn’t see non league teams get against the league champions ever. Safe to say I fell for it, put enough on the win that my returns would be a grand and watch the game as both teams purposefully kicked balls way over and wide making no attempts to play the game.
Nice to see you doing videos like that . But man , you really know very few things about corruption in Greek football . If you think the problem is as superficial and as one sided as you present it ,allow me to say that you are mistaken .
Marinakis is corrupting greek football. But many times its just an excuse for greek fans when they lose to olympiacos. But i agree with the allegations for corruption. From an olympiacos fan
I agree that this “excuse” is being used too much but Olympiakos has destroyed both Panathinaikos and AEK economically by stealing the league titles from them like they did in 2008 which is what made AEK get relegated in 2013. If AEK had won the league(which they did but olympiacos got given 3points) they would have been qualified to Champions League and not have been economically destroyed.Same with Panathinaikos in other years.
@@antonisantoniou1436 we saw what happened when AEK finally went to Champions League in 2018.. Nothing changed. Your president keeps having the excuse of the new stadium for not doing good transfers. As for Panathinaicos its own fans kicked out their old president. Anyway, I can't agree that Olympiacos hasn't been given the most referre's decisions in the past but it's not its fault that AEK and Panathinaicos is in such situations.
@@antonisantoniou1436 Olympiakos didn't steal the title, just like AEK didn't steal the title in 2018. There are rules. And both AEK and PAO used to go to the Champions league during the early 00's, since we sometimes even had 3 team in the group stages. So that's not an excuse. AEK also got money from European Football, as did Panathinaikos. The big change came after 2008, when fewer greek team got in the Champions League. So also not an excuse. As for AEK being relegated, that has nothing to do with Olympiakos. AEK had financial debt that they never repaid. Instead the current-president collaborated with Original-21 to storm into the stadium, so that the team would get relegated in the 3rd division and the debt would be erased. He then "bought" AEK for free, and paid no debt whatsoever. That's millions of euros that now have to come from my and your pocket through taxes. As for Panathinaikos, they kicked out their old president, and cheered for the Pateras-Vgenopoulos consortium that took over. These guys were absolute mafiozos, they spent money they didn't have, overpaid players and coaches, and then left the club completely in debt. Again, not Olympiakos' fault. Panathinaikos fans ruined their own club, just like they also did in basketball. So please, stop accusing Olympiakos for everything. Sure, it's not the cleanest club in the world, but the other clubs are just as corrupt. And they failed because of their own corruption. Look in a mirror before you go out accusing others.
@@dimitrisfouf4932 well with the money from champions league, we are building a new stadium.. U see we didnt get a free stadium from the goverment like olympiacos 😉
Ένα καράβι παλιό σαπιοκάραβο, με κάτι τόνους γλυκιάς ηρωίνης #NonGuilty Φέρτε πίσω τους εισαγγελείς που άλλαξαν ήπειρο για να επιβιώσουν
Day 12 : 7 of the greatest players who started their career as an injury replacement
Guatemala, my country, had people so involved in corruption the contry and clubs were banned from participating in international tournaments
I really like your mini documentaries. Can you talk about Chinese football like you did about American and Indian football?
7 footballers who could have taken up another sport
Τhe problem is not Olympiakos. Olympiakos is by far the most wealth team in greece singing the best players in Greece have great scouting great management with best academy for the Greek standards. The problem is the lack of competitiveness. The corrupt at lower division who doesn't invests to young Greek players is the biggest problem. Without Olympiakos the Greek football is dead
Exactly, I don't say that Marinakis is innocent (like the other presidents..) but nobody can't say that it's Olympiacos's fault that Greek League is in such situation
Better dead than rotten to the core
@@NauarchosHere S🅱️inalla(olympiakos isn't the problem why greek football is going downfall)
Big Greek team owners are usually bigshot shipowners/traders who own at least one tv station and/or radio station as well. Teams are mainly used to put pressure on governments through the numbers of their fans so that economic concessions are made for their owners and oftentimes legal bending as well. That's the main reason they have the TV channels. Smaller teams are usually ran by people who just want to make money out of the league's communal TV contracts, or from illegal betting.
Corruption at a large scale actually happen everywhere especially in some of the biggest league
But still happening in Greece right now that we talk
Day 4 of asking what would the East and West German sides look like today if Germany split again?
I'll have you know Forest won 3-0 against Wycombe today :,)
Ah, so what you tell me is that Greek footy is as corrupt as Greece in general. Not a surprise to us from Greece :\ Thank you for making the video. Perhaps the attention will help others realize the corruption and get this addressed. The violence, racism, homophobia, and sexism is also an issue with our fans. May we get a good and fair league eventually.
What number cement do you wear?
Accusations of match fixing get thrown around far too loosely in Greece. Theres a reason he’s not been found guilty
They do get thrown around too loosely. That being said, it does not mean it doesn't exist. And while it has calmed down in recent years it has existed. You can't deny that. Corruption is why he hasn't been found guilty
@@probrosdfa8947 cause there’s too many Olympiakos fans in Greece to prosecute him and I’m saying this as an Olympiakos fan lol
Day 20 : Can you do a video on why French Clubs have not been as successful historically ? I know you have defended Ligue 1 in the past , but only 1 UCL for French clubs is really underwhelming for a country like France . Especially when you consider that Dutch clubs have won 6 UCL ' s and Portuguese clubs have won 4 UCLs
Day 3: Teams with the most draws in one season
Would be interesting to see a documentary style video on why teams share stadiums? The most notable of course being Coventry City sharing with Birmingham
Because they can’t afford to move back to the Ricoh Arena
@@thebrotherhood227 I know mate I'm a cov fan, just thought financial factors could be one of the reasons why
Marinakis is the Pablo Escobar of Greece with the exception that he has succeeded in politics
Alafouzos and Savvidis have politic power too,with Syriza Savvidis had the same power...
The photo tha you showed on 2:13 is the 8th General High School of Athens in Kato Patissia which I'm attending
Who gives a fuck
@@svenjaspers407 u replied u gave a fuck u little shit
I am a young football fan and Olympiakos fan, but as most things here in Greece the football is very corrupt which is why except for mainly olympiakos european matches my main football focus is the premier league , here's hoping I can watch premier league games live on stadiums sometime in the future. However , the situation is complex , it's certainly not the big bad Olympiakos and Marinakis ruining everything for the other innocent teams . See Paok - Xanthi multi ownership that would result in relegation if the government didn't change the laws overnight after it was revealed. The whole thing is still pending it's very stupid honestly if you see all the details. See the cup quarterfinal draw the other day which was held behind closed doors , an olympiakos official "predicted" with much certainty the draw the previous day which would pair Paok and Aek with the 2 easiest teams , and Olympiakos with Aris , their 2 biggest rivals at the moment against one another. From all the things I've heard the previous Olympiakos owner , Sokratis Kokkalis was way more shady that Marinakis. The only certain thing in this mess is that Pedro Martins ( the coach) is a very talented one that is doing an amazing job even when there are big setbacks
Day 8 : Fiercest club Rivalries of 7 continents
Life long ban from football as a chairman , most chairman are like this in all fairness never to be seen at a game
Day 99: 7 Asian or African teams that could compete in a big 5 league or squad of best players who have only played at asian or african teams
There's a reason the first list hasn't been made. I assume there isn't much to actually say xD
The are no teams in Africa or Asia that could compete in a top 5 league.
@@pgps02 even if you take the best team in Africa El Ahly from Egypt and put it into La Liga or lets say Ligue 1 as it is, value wise the team value would be dead last even if you would double their current value of transfermarkt that is 25mil. Their behavior standing wise in the league would be from 50mil-100mil result.. 75% they would end up on last 5 spots 16-20 of the league, 20% 11-15 and I would give them less than 5% for a place 10 or a little bit higher(and that is for France that is a bit tighter league than Spanish, for Spanish I think they would not have chances to be in the top 10 places at all) For an Asian club it would be even worse since to avoid last place on a big 5 league is almost impossible the way they play.
@@pgps02 the valuation is relative, but is not irrelevant also and double valuation it is generous. They are good for their country, but if they were as good as you say better than most French teams their players would sell in Europe like hot cakes.. Either European clubs are completely blind and stupid or they are not as good as you want to believe. For their country they are the best and for Africa they are the best team it has but.. Their team would not win the league even of Greece they would be in competition for 2-4 position and even end up lower that 6th position and I am talking about Greece. For France I don't see them having a better team than Lens, Saint Etienne, Bordeaux etc so that puts them in a place that they may compete with teams like Angers, Lorient, Nimes, Reims, Brest and that is only because those teams do not have the tradition and the psychology of a winner. But even Angers got players like Boufal for example from Premier League that was a huge talent and he is tested in Europe.. Just because they are not tested in Europe doesn't mean for people that watch football that we are blind to their capabilities For example Red Star and Partisan are also amazing in Serbia and are stronger than El Ahly but still if they would compete this year on top five those percentages that I wrote would also apply to them with maybe less chances to relegate
@@pgps02 10-0 is not on the map in such competitions.. just from the score of Bayern vs El Ahly doesn't give you their stand point. Italy won Malta 1-0 on both their games. Does that mean Malta is just inches away from winning the world cup? Does that mean that if Malta makes a club in Italy they could stand on Serie A? I am telling you that they would not stand even on Serie C but they managed to lose only 1-0. first of all the motivation for El Ahly is on a all time high in such games, and Bayern is below mediocre more like a demonstration game For a couple of games you can keep focus and give more than what you have and play super tight defense and have excitement for what you do cause it is a one in a lifetime for most players of the team. But a championship is not 3 or 4 games, it is week in week out with 38 weeks with games.. Once focus is lost or Paris Saint Germain finds them on a bad night and some 6-1 comes and then Monaco comes and makes a 3-0, confidence starts to drop, problems rise to the top and it becomes hard to recover especially to a team that doesn't have top notch players. As for the players if they were good they would go to Europe, everything you say is just excuses! You even said it yourself, their age is the problem and why is age a problem? Because they are not ready to play immediately to Europe, because if they were on level and ready to play in age 23-24 they would be crazy from Bordeaux and Auxerre to not buy 3 and 4 not expensive players. They are cheaper than European players and Latin American so if they are good they would have bought them every year by the dozens. Actually El Ahly does a simple trick the last few years, they buy African players that are not ready to play in europe and they give them a chance That should tell you a lot on where they stand on talent pool El Ahly is behind teams like Ajax, Salzburg, Olympiakos by a mile And may be closer but still behind teams like Red Star, Sparta Prague, Ludogorec etc I believe they would probably enter Europa League if Egypt was in Uefa and maybe once every three years would enter a team in the group stage of Champions League and that is as much as I would see them go in Europe. For the five leagues they are not part of so it is hard to put a meter on the last teams of any of those leagues
Day 28: "Final Yugoslavia First League Teams: Where are they now?" would be interesting with Red Star winning the 90s CL but then falling from grace as a lot of teams in the region.
Day 25: What would potential 2nd divisions in MLS and the A-League look like?
Very well made and well researched video! Truth is that the same type of controversy surrounded the previous owner of Olympiakos, Socratis Kokkalis, as well. During his time at the presidency of the team when the word "paraga" you mention in your video was made
vardinogiannis I believe was more hated during that period especially since he openly owned OFI as well
Thank you for this video. As a Greek person I am happy to see this topic get some international attention
Seeing the badge of Czech Football Association at the beginning of the video about corruption is not just incidental I guess.
Apart from anything else and far from the maddening voices of supporters and opponents of Olympiacos ,this is what I have to say : football in Greece ,just like everything else is corrupt and the fact that there is impunity for just about any kind of crime ,even minor ones ,intensifies that. I am an Olympiacos fan who is happy to see his club amass one league title after another but I am also not at all comfortable with 21 league titles in 25 years. Of course the vast majority of these championships was merited if you look at the roster if the club throughout these 25 years and compare it to its opponents ' ,combined with the fact that the club is run by very capable hands. Nevertheless ,21 titles in 25 years are way too many. Of course Mr.Marinakis' involvement (or not) in.other criminal activities does not pertain to Olympiacos and should not be investigated in conjunction with the club's possible involvement in scandal. For me ,however, the biggest scandal is how Olympiacos' two biggest adversaries, Panathinaikos and AEK came to be paupers during this period and completely unable to compete with Olympiacos. That is a matter worth investigating.