Stanford's Sapolsky On Depression in U.S. (Full Lecture)

Hey what's up classmate?

@@jecky82 Good, I'm just chillin' and studyin' depression and human behavioral biology from my friend Sapolsky here; the usual stuff, you know how it goes 🥱 Wbu classmate?

The people in the room could say that too. From their ages, looks like this is some kind of special presentation for non-students.

Yeah.

@@nikiyen6 Yep

Not always, he was on some point and you (others did same) miss that point cuting his speaks on tiny quotes. Listen it to end.

Sopranos quote lol

Freud said it 100 years ago

I've always heard that the quote is... Depression is Anger is Depression Turned inward.

gotta be right. most of (if not all???) my depression i can trace back to my seething sorrow and hatred for humans, and the fates we have constructed for our own species.

Agreed. Genius. Perfect. And the guy looks like he could just as easily design and build a log cabin we could only dream of......

Totally agree!! I'm good at med terminology.. but who he is and his teaching technique.. they are why I know what's up.. i especially like how he moves allot. I was the kid in the back next to a window and I usually ended up staring out that window watching grasshoppers mate lol .. but not because I wanted to get an entomology degree. Lol I was stone cold bored . He keeps me focused ... Wish he was ALL my teachers All through school!

Agreed

I've always searched knowledge. Stanford was the first university to allow or do this and it's awesome 😎

College education should be free imo

almost no excuse for not learning these days.

Don’t credit KZhead , with today’s tech and without KZhead ...someone else would do it , and with the same ease , never give a world Corp that redefines definition of words too much power , although it might be too late

with all due respect to him, for which I have loads, there is nothing that he is sharing here that is either highly technical or new data that you couldn't have found from another source.

@@leefithian3704 Yes, this..... The same can be said about "professional" sports teams and players who the general public is stupid enough to pay millions of dollars apiece. There are hundreds of other individuals who could make up a "team" who could beat the "superbowl winners" but they just aren't known about.

@@leefithian3704 I didn't credit KZhead, I credited the world. I just said that KZhead is where I'm watching him.

Christopher Everly can anyone else relate to the “too exhausted to do the “too tired to do laundry” scenario?

I'm realizing that I seem to have major depressive disorder. Talking to my kids lately, they'd suggest going or doing something, all i could think about were the problems... Um, i haven't done laundry in a couple months... Fortunately, I'm in that state where everything is too much trouble. So i'm confident i won't commit suicide anytime soon, that would be way too much effort... :)

"The meat and potatoes of human medical misery."

The inability to derive pleasure from _anything_ - it's called _ANHEDONIA!_ I only move from this bed if there's absolutely no other choice. I use the sunrise/sunset analogy also, and music, nature, any hobbies I once enjoyed etc. (just smoking myself to death, really).

Dr Mark Tarnapulsky - if exercise were a drug it would be the most valuable one developed

I’m 23 and scared of dealing with it for 50+ more years. Recently, it’s really felt hard to imagine myself dealing with it for even 7 more years; I doubt I’ll live to 30… Any advice?

@@tyler.walker travel outside the US the best advice i can give you.

@@AL-up3zb why ?

@@j.w.r.i2910 there is some wisdom to what he says, the shallowness of American culture and to some extent the whole of western culture is a large factor in why so many of us are depressed

Omg wow don’t know how you made it. I’ve had it for about 10 years and I’m only in my early twenties.

Me neither, isn’t that wild?

@@halloweendancing no it isn't: it's a business, an industry: I heard a group therapist say once she had to 'make production'. Guess who are 'the product'? The clients. Not saying therapy is bad/useless per se but the way it's organized it's not really set up for success IMO because it's run as a business from the top and a business benefits from more (returning) clients.

​@@yarly3180i feel like it's for us to ask and question About. Like it's for us to find out.

@@yarly3180L take. Therapy save my life and unless your therapists are evil people they want to help you. Same logic as saying all doctors don't help because they make money when you get sick again.

Don't worry the depression will come back

he looks more like John Kalodner the famous A&R snake

@@chrischoir3594 exactly! he got all my attention! i like him a lot.

I'm sure that's the effect he tried to achieve on purpose.

Really? He looks like an unkept bum.

You mean a wizard but without the robe?

WORD!

@Levi Brennan true but we colloquially lump together meanings under a same word all the time which really gets in the way of understanding nuances especially with something like depression. Without the understanding of the nuances problem solving is flawed because which kind of "depression" is it this time? Or is it even depression?

​@Levi Brennan You say : "Can't blame the language for the ignorance of its speakers." Unless "the ignorance of it's speakers" as you say, is a direct corollary of the in-exactitude and non-specificity of the majority of it's terminology and definitions. I think maybe we should do what the Germans do, and jam words together to make a new word that is highly specific. In this case, maybe something like "StrongKillSelf-HateLife-Feeling-Motivation" might work okay. Then again, people still might get these concepts mixed up....

Guess what - this is the case in other languages too, although there are other words to describe this. Like Russian “тоска“.

I have a friend that is always saying, "but everyone gets depressed sometimes." She just doesn't understand the difference. Like I am being over dramatic or exaggerating. It frankly makes me mad when she says that.

join communists.

@MrQlevert I

Me too. Thank you for saying this.

"It's a strange poverty of the English language, and indeed of many other languages, that we use the same word "depression" to describe how a kid feels when it rains on his birthday, and to describe how somebody feels the minute before they commit suicide." Andrew Solomon, TED Talk Depression, the Secret we Share.

What did you learned? How it helped you? Anything remotely practical you never heard before?

Yeah, this guy fucking rules

@Quetzalcoatl agree. show respect to the man

@Quetzalcoatl Holy hell mate.. like you were paying attention to all classes in primary school and other schools you went to. Some people just don't care about some subjects and it's alright. People who never experienced depression or don't know anyone who experienced it might not care about this topic. There are people like that who live their entire life without experiencing it themselves. All they experience is sadness, so this topic might not interest them.

@Quetzalcoatl It's good then that they recorded this lecture and uploaded it publicly for everybody to see. Maybe some of the people who attended it back then will watch it again with different "set of eyes".

​@Quetzalcoatl Of course. It make sense that in 10 years we would know more, but it looks like it's still not enough to figure out how to get rid of or reduce depression in people. At least in those who got depressed due to imbalance in brain chemicals, not other factors like something external.

Watch his entire Human Behavioral Biology lecture series

Do you have a link?

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im sorry for your loss. till you meet again ♾

@@almalm3397 ❤️

Thank you for sharing your grief. It helps all who hear you.

Sorry for your loss!

Lost mine last Oct. He was miserable. Had been self-medicating for years.

He is a Kage-level lecturer who turns the dry literature of experimental evidence into story-telling.

@@Bingewatchingmediacontent 3➗19= solve if you want. I know this sounds odd but i consume energy drinks Because of lethargy

The humor - okay fine - but the people in the back laughing about it is part of the problem - it feels like it is not taken seriously - for someone who is depressed this is not a laughing matter.

@J L Okay, tell us about the cure. I'd love to hear about a cure! Depression is so complex, what with the interplay of neural and hormonal dysregulation, genetics, individual experience, individual coping strategies, immune dysfunction and structural changes to the brain. Not to mention information yet to be unearthed and possible spiritual imbalance (if you approach health holistically). A cure would be incredible. Tell us about the cure. Share your knowledge with us all.

@J L tell us bby

As should be for all lectures

I'm so proud of you really, I can't imagine what that time must have felt like, I'm happy you managed to get better, it takes so much strength to get back up after all you've gone through. I hope you have a depression-free future.

I'm so glad things have improved. Well done for struggling/fighting each day.

*Part 2: The exploration of the psychological facets of depression* _Freudian perspective:_ 38:28: If this is all one ever knows about the subject, one can not make any meaningful contribution. Hence, we must talk about the psychology of depression. 39:10: Freud refers the process of grief as mourning, while the term that characterises depression is melancholia. 39:56: In the Freudian view, after losing a loved one, most people are able to mourn and come out the other end; but some are unable to relegate the vehemence of the loss and the feelings brought along with it to the background, which is melancholia. 40:44: For a regular person, losing somebody indicates the only thing wrong is the loss; however, for a person with melancholia; two things are wrong: one is the loss and the other is having forever lost the opportunity to make things better with them. Hence, the aggression arising as a consequence of the loss is turned inwards -which is depression. _Experimental psychology:_ 41:59: The difficulty of interpreting Freudian views within the framework of modern science is contemplated as a premise for foray into experimental psychology. 42:29: The literature shows that for the same external misery, one can feel more stressed and be more at risk for stress-related disorders, if one doesn't have outlets, feels powerless and doesn't have anyone's shoulders to cry on. The pathological extremes of this is depression and cognitive psychology defines it as "learned helplessness" (learning to be helpless). The ability to identify that their current predicament is not their whole world is lost in the depressed and as a consequence, they dismiss any prospect of imminent help. 43:33: This behaviour is replicated in rats, where in one setting, they are subject to uncontrollable shocks until they learn helplessness; and then transported to another setting where they can avoid getting shocked by pulling a lever but don't bother to. 44:30: One of the most reliable findings in the epidemiology of depression is that if one loses a parent to death under 10 years of age, they are more at a risk of major depression for the rest of their lives. This makes sense, since these are the formative years of one's lives where one is learning about the effect they have on the world (cause and effect) as a way of gauging how much control they generally have in life, and losing a parent then might mean having to directly contend with the feeling of helplessness and loss of control for the child, pushing him/her that much closer to the edge of the "learned helplessness" cliff. *Part 3: Reconciliation* 45:32: The critical point of intersection between the two aforementioned schools of thought is "stress". 45:36: Depression has a genetic component, and runs more reliably in closer and closer relatives. In identical twins, if one has depression, the other has a 50% chance (25% for regular twins). 46:28: However; this also implies the other twin has a 50% chance of not getting depression; which shows as important as genes are, they are not more important than any other component. 46:52: Genes and depression are not about inevitability, rather, vulnerability, which is tied to a gene discovered recently that is relevant to whether or not one is likely to have depression. The gene comes in two versions, one of which bad (linked positively to the likelihood of depression). 47:50: A group of researchers studied 17,000 kids growing up in New Zealand to conclude that inheriting the bad version of the gene doesn't set one up for depression; however, if such individuals have a history of exposure to major stressors (parental divorce, physical abuse etc), their risk of depression goes up much quicker than their counterparts with the good version of the gene with a similar history. 49:46: Turns out, glucocorticoids regulate the function of this gene, causing all the pieces to fall naturally into place here. Thus, using stress as the link, it becomes possible to reconcile the psychology of depression with its biochemistry to create a wonderfully integrated model.

thank you so much for this. I hope you are having a great day

Thank you so much! I was looking for it through aaall the comments

@@guhanpurushothaman9313 thank youuu

I sincerely hope you are having a great day, thanks a lot for this!

I encourage you to read Taming Your Gremlins I believe by JD Carlson . Very simple read at first blush but has many different levels.

WORD!!! I had everyone telling me to “get over it” and “it’s been a year...” it’s like thanks, I’m cured.

If CBT helped then there's hope for you, as there's likely significant psychological factors. If you've been a chronic lifelong sufferer, without any environmental justification, and all psychological as well as pharmacological interventions have failed... well, join my lost cause group (if it actually existed).

could someone give the time stamp for that line ? i seem to have missed it. Thanks :)

Actually people can shame you out of depression.

its a class offered to laypersons

What the hell have you been doing the last 8 years lol

@task force whisky what does politics have to do with clinical depression ? 🤦‍♀️🤷‍♀️

@task force whisky hey man. Genuine question: Why do you want to be this way? It's the internet, so I figure its just to get a rise, clicks, a laugh etc. But...why do you want to make people feel so badly about themselves? Is this who you were called to be? What traces of yourself you want to leave behind to strangers?

@task force whisky That's about the answer I expected sadly.

@task force whisky Why do I drive you nuts?

Whisky, i gotta thank you bud. This exchange was so silly that it cheered me up. Thanks, have a good one!

I was thinking this guy has a massive sponge like brain. Its astonishing

Probably been doing it for a while

Does not looking at your notes make you a great lecturer?

@@shadowplayish That is not about the having a galaxy brain, it is about being familiar with your content and having talked about it many times previously. Even doing this takes a lot of effort and the lecturer's relaxed body language while talking in his course shows that he is incredibly experienced and well versed on his subject.

@@fenriswolf3589 Well said. Agreed.

Thank you for sharing. It helps alot. How have you managed through it all these years?

@@PrinceKoopa It took a lot of time, like another seven years, but I finally pulled out of it, I’m happy to say. Therapy and the right combo of meds and, well, time.

@@Lopfff glad to hear it! You're a strong guy and made it out on the other side. Your story could certainly help others. Take care of yourself ❤️

@@PrinceKoopa You too man

@@Lopfff thank you!

It's missing the point that seriously depressed people get into the mental state where they believe the people around them would be better off if he/she was gone.

@@SW-fn7cl Exactly! They believe it is more selfish to stay alive when they are "worthless" and just dragging their loved ones down. Then they hear others say they're "just selfish" and feel even MORE worthless. There's nothing like a shame spiral to really guarantee a depressive will go through with suicide.

I once read this as an explanation for understanding suicide and it really helped me: the depression is like being inside a burning building and jumping out to a certain death beats being consumed by the flames.

Yes!

It’s literally the most selfish thing…

Yep. I had a history teacher at Bard who went on to lecture at Harvard that I always noted did the exact same thing - never searched or stammered to explain. She repeatedly told me that it was because she knew the material so well for so long but what made her towering intellect even more awe striking was her equal surplus of humility. Really, really smart people are quiet; sans boast. I think it’s because they can see into the darkness so much further than us mortals and know of the vast complexities that we can only dream of.

speak for your whole life and speak about the same things it becomes second nature. like riding a bike

You don't know many people do ya?

0:41

@@huntersmith8733 of course he says it when he’s trying to find people places to sit - not when actually discussing the subject of the lecture.

......,from sunrise till sunset.......

I’m with you

I secrete so much oxytocin when I listen to Robert Sapolsky ...

Wow! That's what I'm doing right now

@@damian.gamlath Same. my back hurts tho.

@@capybarawithanorangeonitsh4190 I have to exercise to extremes in order to be normal and outside at least 4 hours a day in sunlight, Sunbox saved my life along with medications. First time I felt the effects of Prozac was a major experience for me, wow this is how other people feel all the time?! And I am grateful for ECT, it has saved my life a number of times.

@@hejnye nah. Most people don't experience life high on Prozac.

Only because white people deal with it 🤷🏾‍♂️ yup I brought race into it. But it's true

perhaps it's widely accepted, but there's no evidence to suggest depression is a biological disease

ogga mup da didda BIX NOOD mufugguh.

Then….you should read his book “Determined”. It’s phenomenal.

Not to shortchange your burden but you've at least had something to look back at. I'm like an 80-year old with the dullest possible life ;))

ungratefulmetalpansy nice

Can totally relate with your comment. Been telling a loved one who i talk to regularly about these issues, that it's the "end of the path" because i dont see any future, like ive hit an abstract brick wall, although nothing in my life (objectively) suggests i should feel this way... Stay strong, Stoa Eterna

+Giorgi Gudiashvili This is exactly how I feel. My memory is terrible... it's as if my memories are all there yet I have poor connectivity to them, I have no mental energy, emotions feel as if they're not there anymore for the most part(they are severely dull). My brain is chronically inactive despite my desire for it to be 'active'. Learning is very challenging, trying to comprehend what words I know should be easy to understand is a constant struggle. Many times I give up out of exhaustion, frustration, and when there are no signs of my mind making progress in trying to grasp the concepts. My mind is empty, blank... When I talk to people it's as if what I say didn't originate from me most of the time, and it's particularly difficult when I try to absorb even small amounts of information coming in from simple conversation..... I would try taking psilocybin mushrooms as I have heard they may reverse depression, but alas.... they're illegal and I don't have it in me to take that risk just yet. Although I have little to lose at this point.... Maybe I will have to try them soon and hope for the best.

There is nothing to look forward to but death, death will not solve depression, depression will persist even beyond death, depression is a crisis of existence, science can only ease the pain or fall short, find internal strength nobody can give you strength look deep within and forge some strength. forge yourself some strength to keep moving forward and endure and try and overcome the problem of existence known as depression.

sort of, it’s much less difficult to sound articulate when he so grossly glosses over “stress”. He claims to divide the lecture into two parts and that “understanding biology only explains 30-40% of depression” and then proceeds to lecture the entire hour on strictlt biology. Also he used the phrase biological psychiatry, which is a redundant phraseLol, what does he think psychiatry is??? Psychiatry is both an MD/PhD, it by definition already includes biology. Does he also call doctors “biological doctors”? But the initial point is that he clearly glossed over stress by trotting out some lame mid-1900s description of learned helplessness as a general descriptor of stress. This scans more like a feature-length Ted Talk, somewhat slick and quick-paced, and completely glossing over the mount everest dilemma which has yet to be scaled and is currently baffling modern thinkers. Cool that he can announce the current state of research fimdings (but to be honest anyone can recount his narrative and its convenient he has to bolt out the door), and he has a trusting delivery, paternally soothing even, but this ends like a Malcolm Gladwell book or a Fat-Free dessert, no substance upon inspection, no filling, and not even close to satisfying (especially if you ever cracked on single book in literally any single psychological field).

Davey Ineluctable Well Davey I think this was only a primer lecture on the subject, not only that but I don't really understand your frustrations. What more would you have added or taken away from this piece?

@@daveyineluctable5525 Almost all his other talks are about stress and different pathology, which is essentially the best place to be when so little progress has been made. It would seem to me that in spite of the question existing for a long time, according to what you are saying, it is still cutting edge. He explained that depression is grossly underappreciated as well with his example about wishing your senator's wife would get this disease so a foundation would be set up. It didn't strike me that there was more he could expound on without teaching you about a lot of other separate diseases first.

​@@stupidtreehugger Firstly, I don't imagine that Robert Sapolsky's lectures are given to suit pharmacy interests. Maybe they are , but not for the reasons you are presenting. You say diet and lifestyle, but that is essentially what a pharmacy mediates with as an over-generalization to keep things conventional and stagnant. Look up Dr Jack Kruse and his work with Quantum biology. To say that the type of link you are sharing about exercise and robert sapolsky's work are mutually exclusive is a huge mistake. I think the point of him bringing up the "belt up and get over it" notion was to mock it's use by professionals who are ignorant that are forced to deal with depression people.

Ha! So succinctly elegant

I had that exact same thought. Why can’t he be ultra famous?

More power and strength to you

Keep your head up bro. I lost my father, the greatest person on earth for me, at the age of 9. I'm 27 now, still keep him in my prayers every day. Try to focus on the good and be thankful for every new day you live and the fact that you have other family around and that you can look forward to being a great day one day too.

Well I'm glad you're winning dude. Jia you!

Keep fighting, I promise you you will feel better some day!!! never lose hope of that. things WILL get better.

I lost my father when I was 10, he died at the dinner table one night. I’m 39 and still treating it. I had two really major depressive episodes in my life, but I’ve been ok for a few years. Three pieces of advice for what sounds a lot like a younger me. 1. Don’t pour alcohol on it. It’s a short term fix to a long term problem ultimately makes it much, much worse. 2. Never stop going to therapy. It’s hard to find a therapist that you will gel with but don’t stop looking until you find one and don’t stop going once you do. 3. Be careful with the amount of medications they want to put you on. You may need them sometimes but a lot of meds ended up just making it worse for longer for me. I’m really sorry about your father. Things can be ok. Every feeling is temporary, even though it may not feel like that at the time. Good luck.

I am in a lethargy.

Theres that assumption that inside us all there is this center of calm rational thought. A higher mind. A higher self. I think that might be an illusion, Perhaps the true self, the soul if you like is not a godlike transcendent entity of immense power but a lonely scared child, when our biology or social structure is supportive we appreciate the power and confidence that support gives us. And we mistake the structure for the self, then when the structure collapses instead of accepting that work needs to be done to rebuild the structure, we think the individual is at fault.

from my own experiences of talking to these sort of people and trying to explain to them what bipolar disorder is in an objective way and my experience suffering with it, it quickly becomes an ideological discussion versus a fact and mathematic based discussion. as for why that is, he is exactly right in that rather than it being viewed as a medical issue, it is seen as a moral and emotional issue. and sure, there are moral and emotional components to it, as well as any other disease. my understanding is that just as Hansen's disease was a moral issue until modern initiatives, mental health will be viewed as the same until the societal understanding around mental health has changed. and that will only happen with repeated contact with the wider community, and a community effort of giving no credence to those who would seek to stigmatize such issues.

“The intensest light of reason and revelation combined, cannot shed such blazonings upon the deeper truths in a man, as will sometimes proceed from his own profoundest gloom. Utter darkness is then his light, and cat-like he distinctly sees all objects through a medium which is mere blindness to common vision.” ― Herman Melville

In the United States, we call people weak and make it very difficult and expensive to find mental health care. It’s a death sentence.

Yup we both have terrible governments and lack of real leadership. It's sad that American and Chinese governments work against each other because together we could be a massive force for good in this world.

I watched this for the first time just now and Im in tears I cant believe that someone just so eloquently just described I am the way I am. I cant believe it.

Lol

@@billiboussmith3700 me too

Aw hold on to hope guys

That's what makes depression so insidious. It's like severe depression makes some want to kill themselves and mild to moderate depression makes people (almost) wish they would because of the negativity and lousy attitude, etc. that even low grade depression causes. 40 + years I've been dealing with it now. Recent studies have shown that depression in people is more likely to make them be more realistic than most people because we tend to focus on preparing for the worst so if plans fall apart it's easier to process disappointment. Many victims of suicide never experienced clinical depression until something in their life acutely falls apart and they can't deal with it. Not trying to simplify this in any way because it is not simple.

Yes. This.

sounds tough bud

so what am I supposed to bring them down instead

What about those who have no skills

Yeah let’s compare someone losing their hands to someone being a whiney little bitch because they’re sad

amen, amen

Depression and obesity. I've had both forever. They are also the two diseases where everyone, including doctors, says "just get over it." Interesting. You can't "will" your hair to change color any more than you can take your metabolism and turn it into that of a person who has never been, and never will be, overweight. Same with depression. The diseases themselves are bad enough, but when the bumbling hordes step in and say "eat less, move more" and "just feel happy", it is 1,000 times worse. Do you tell someone having a heart attack "now, use your willpower to make it go away"? I feel your pain.

That's how I felt too: he described some of the elements of my depression so well that I had never even made some of the connections myself. He is a fantastic professor.

I’m sorry to hear that. Leave everything to god my friend. I pray you’re forever happy and all your dreams come true. I’m here if you ever want a friend to talk to.

Doctors are good for organs, bones, skin and body part issues. When it come to mental health they have no clue.

I just finished his book “Why Zebras Don’t Get Ulcers”, and I was left with the same impression - what a great human.

Yeah, I'm glad he kept emphasizing that it is not a case of "pull yourself together."

agreed. there is almost nothing more damaging than being told to "get over it" or "try harder" when you're in a depressive state. The guilt is internalized and the person suffers even more, sinking further into depression.

@@nikid3690 totally agree

It is terrible - had a wife yell, ‘Snap out of it!’ after her leaving me, 5 months after purchasing a home, taking my 7 year old daughter with her; lose kid brother to suicide, she moves back in, but doesn’t understand my depressive state… like who the heck wants to feel constant despair and languish?

It's true for a lot of diseases, but not for all... for some, it is about inevitability.

Yep, that was an excellent point, and encouraging for those who did end up having depression - you’re not MEANT to have it, you developed it because your body was more vulnerable to it by no fault of yours.

Yes my friend 😊

I thought of something similar but I couldn't describe it as adequately as you did. Not only do these cultural beliefs of character and personality affect depression, but anything that's neurological like OCD, ADHD, or Autism because as you said, it's a fundamental attribution error.

@@evanurena8868 Great thoughts! I believe much of the stigma is Fear.

Evan Urena you cant separate the person from these mental diseases. That is how they are distinct from things like diabetes, Parkinson’s, ext. I understand depression is a biochemical disease but I still feel like the insulin argument is a false equivalency. There is not CBT for diabetes, only medicine. That equivalency makes it so depressed people feel like they can only get better through medication, but that just isn’t at all true.

Liam Tomas You don’t get better per say. I see where you’re coming from but in comparing the diseases he purely meant it’s proven a biological issue, not a temporary mood or an affectation, or laziness. The treatment options are of course different.

This type of thinking reinforces depression and makes it worse.

@task force whisky this has to be a joke bro wtf are u on 😭😭😭

@task force whisky What you're describing are sad thoughts. Everyone naturally has sad thoughts when faced with difficulties in life. But depression is a different ballgame. Some people don't have those happy times you speak about. Constantly sad, anxious, self-doubting, and don't feel any reason to live. It's more complicated than just being happy or sad. These people need to revisit their past and reevaluate their lives by talking with a therapist about what's causing them pain. This takes time to fix.

@task force whisky Low IQ detected. Just saying.

@task force whisky youre pathetic.

@task force whisky First off all your spelling is laughable, second of all I am a Muslim woman, I don't drink, don't do drugs and don't have sex outside of marriage. And yet I suffered from depression since I was 13 after my mother passed away. I am more conservative than you'll ever be, and STILL I BELIEVE IN SCIENCE !!!! "Task force of whisky" telling to a Muslim woman she party too hard. I don't even know if it's stupidity or a disability at this stage 😂😂

Makes me nauseous.

@task force whisky you need to get better at trolling my guy, it’s too obvious

Watching this does give a bit of a dopamine kick, as we get lost in a lecture given by someone who understands us, and we think maybe there is hope after all. Then, of course, once the video is over, we snap back to a reality where no one really cares that much. Welp, time for my Cymbalta. Maybe the third time will be a charm.

I'm sorry for your loss. I hope you and your family are doing better now. Sending love your way.

So sorry Karen for the loss of your sister:'(

It's a shitty illness, I'm glad some people never have to experience it

Sorry for your loss 🙏 ❤️

Very sorry for your loss, i couldn't imagine what that's like to go through. All the best, and sending love to you and your family

Word

Lies again? DMP DEP

So your depression was primarily caused by a thyroid issue?

@oldmanhendo7183 Yes, it was, although there were a coulpe of contributing elements (the general hormonal upheval of puberty and one traumatic life event). And I said handling the thyroid issue "opened up my path to recovery" rather than "cured me of my depression" because sadly, regardless of the cause, by the time I had that solution I'd already spent years in that state of mind, which is difficult to snap out of in terms of mental habits, thought loops etc. Still, addressing the root cause made a major difference in my ability and willingness to try and get better and was a whole new person about a year later.

@@marvaz5073 gotcha. Well that’s awesome that you found that root though and are working towards recovery. Happy for you

then you probably haven't seen many lectures.

@@NatronGG I’m a student at a university like Stanford (world league tables) and I agree with the commenter... what lecturers have you seen that are better than this guy? As a final year medical student, watching hundreds of lectures, I can easily say that I’ve never been more engaged in a lecturer than I have with him.

@@je6874 Ah, you will certainly appreciate this kzhead.info/sun/qMacqtN9eKhrnKs/bejne.html

James Reed fair

@@je6874 Watch out "Gary Yourofsky" on youtube, might disagree with the guy but he is the best orator I ever heard.

I wish everyone had to experience depression for just one day so they wouldn’t be so tactless about it.

The last line, so true!

I have chronic fatigue syndrome and believe me talk about being dismissed or just talked to like I made these symptoms up, I have depression to as a result and after your blood tests are normal and since they have no way of measuring it you quickly start to realize real help is hard to find and I stopped going to doctors

@@mypud4068 You need to meet a good therapist. In life there are only 2 problems--mind and the body. To feel better reduce negative thoughts with a simple practice. Your breath and mind [brain] are closely related causing stress-anxiety. For a better life sit on a chair, neck straight, eyes closed and observe the sensations of your incoming--outgoing breath at the entrance of the nostrils for 5-10-15 minutes or more. Don’t fight your thoughts. With daily practice the mind will relax. No deep breathing needed. Do the practice without any expectations. Change happens from within by itself. Day or night, when taking a walk, at office, sitting in a park, when reading, before sleep etc sit or lie down and observe your breath. Like me, make this a lifetime daily habit to have a good life. Reduce negative social media. Avoid constipation as it affects the mind instantly. Best wishes. Senior Counsellor.

@@shyaaammeneen63 “All our anxieties relate to time. The major problems of psychiatry revolve around an analysis of the despair, pessimism, melancholy, and complexes that are the inheritances of what has been or with the fears, anxieties, worries, that are the imaginings of what will be.” Fulton J Sheen

Hi Anti, I do hope you're doing better, healing is a struggle and a hectic journey, just know you're not alone, you're amazing and I hope to be here when you begin to see the beauty of the sunshine again❤❤❤❤❤🤗.

The answer to your depression is Jesus Christ! I promise! Nothing else helped. I almost killed my self .. Jesus saved me. God of the universe who created you and who gave you life! A building has a builder , a painting has a painter, you being the creation, you have a creator ! You’re here for a reason . Invite Jesus into your life! He will cure your depression , no one and nothing else will!

And I’m not talking about some fake Jesus that the Catholics portray. Jesus is not white blue eye guy with long hair. That’s a false image. The real Jesus, Yeshua, was born in Israel . He was Jewish.

@@evelina.gukasyan Pretty shitty thing to say to someone. Join my cult or you’ll never get rid of your depression? You were better off not commenting at all.

@@rheinnabi5052 she did not say to join any kind of cult. Jesus brought me outta depression. She is right. She didn't say GO TO CHURCH. Jesus does save. It's the truth. Not shitty at all.... very kind and true. With peace and love!!!

I could listen to this guy for hours even though I don't understand half of what he's saying.

In my opinion, the best explanation on depression on this site. And also a good video

You should watch His behavioral biology course from Stanford on KZhead it is life changing in my opinion

Are you having major depression?

+David Geffeney Thanks, will watch .

the synthax, the content, i believe you are lying.

You’re not a doctor.

ok looser =) @@Pluralofvinylisvinyls

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Thank you so much i m just in 12th grade and this was quite helpful otherwise I had to Google them one by one ^^

Thank you for the breakdown. Very helpful!

Thank you, it’s nice to have them here instead of trying to type them out.

Legend

Julia Ross is another quack selling diet as cure for everything. If you have a real diagnosed problem, consult with a real doctor with real responsibility.

Any time. My life expectancy will be higher.

Agreed! I definitely seeing results practicing self awareness throughout the day and meditating when i can ( which only happens maybe once a week and for just a few minutes). I have found that if you can somehow find just 1 good emotion in yourself towards the begging of the day, grab that puppy like you just found $1000 on the ground, let go of whatever thought brought this emotion on but try to keep the feeling and also try and amplify/cultivate/multiply the feeling. It is hard to describe exactly what i mean here but this method has given me some amazing days i didn't think i would ever have again after years of depression. The most important thing to remember is you are guaranteed pain and suffering in life, you cannot do much about that but you can practice methods such as meditation that change your perception and generally seem to give a person a sense of contentment and much more. I would also recommend giving Buddhism a look, the methods are straight forward and you can keep your religion, or keep being an atheist and still practice Buddhism.

If I found $1000 on the ground, I would pick it up of course, but other than that it would not effect me in anyway, 10 thousand a little bit, 100 thousand, a fair amount. The point is, depression means u don't care one jot for $1000!

N H Just don't be depressed, it's very simple

It's a complex disorder; the're are descriptions far and between.

This relates to the Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACES) he mentions towards the end of the talk. People like me who had NPD/abusive/alcoholic parents quickly learn the "fawn" or "freeze" response because fighting back or standing up for yourself only leads to a worse beating. At a very young age, we are conditioned by parents to do nothing when our primary caregivers are putting us in real physical danger (the opposite of protecting us, which is their true role). The book "CPTSD from Surviving to Thriving" by Pete Walker really gets into this area and helps lifelong depressed people overcome childhood trauma and learn to take action instead of just sinking further and further down until we lose everything.

Both I and my wife feel *precisely* the same way, Kenneth!

Steve Lawrence Thanks Steve, at least I'm not alone in this.

Kenneth Tang It's sickening that those individuals' reaction, subsequent to the discussion of (yes) delusional symptoms but nevertheless REAL symptomatology, was instant laughter and chuckling. It's called health arrogance...where individuals who observe those occupying the marginal/desperate forms of health and disability look down from their pedestal of 'normalcy' and 'privileged health' in order to feel better about themselves. As with poverty, other diseases, formal education and the list continues...people use health, very much so, as a binary form by which to place themselves in a position of being observant superiors to the inflicted diseased 'other.' The laughter was not only unnecessary and sickening, but reflective of many issues that those with mental illness/disability face over and over. It proves why many researchers and physicians are able to treat already vulnerable people with the most arrogant and dehumanizing of behaviors. Nevertheless, here at Stanford we observe supposedly the U.S.' 'brightest' in their usual form...observant, arrogant, dehumanizing specimens.

T Lee Health arrogance....so there's a term to go with this syndrome! THanks, Kenneth and T Lee - I learned a lot from this conversation!

T Lee You're taking this far too seriously. The lecturer was clearly light-hearted and the examples he gave were abstracted from actual cases. Of course they would laugh. You are conflating friendly joking with bullying, implying this guy would laugh at a real subject of some abnormal depression. If a friend of mine had testicular cancer, there would be endless jokes. It lightens a serious situation when it isn't important to maintain seriousness. That's all.

I thoroughly enjoyed your comment, haha.

Generally speaking, I tend to get just as bored if not more with the majority of (pseudo) intellectuals as i do (pseudo) religious teachers.....just saying.

Real knowledge will always be intellectually satisfying in ways that hogwash cannot.

+kosk11348 Well said!

kosk11348 Amen.

I’m so sorry for your loss

From what I've seen of psychiatrists it appears that many go onto the field to try to figure themselves out, there are some doing more harm than good.

@@jh0720 I think most would be just ad effective with dart board for diagnosis, you can tell you've found one worth their pay when they actually listen to you, usually they assume because of their education they know you better than you do.

I’m so sorry for you loss. So painful.

I’m so sorry for you loss. My heart is with you

i hope you're doing well dude. i know its hard,but please keep going. sending love

@@jellibeans4440 thank you! I'm actually in a pretty good place lately, hoping I can keep it up :)

@@TrulyBadTiming im glad!! I believe you can

@@TrulyBadTiming how are you doing?

@@ChristopherT_ My girlfriend and I bought a house and are moving this weekend, so I'm very stressed right now but still doing well! I was also diagnosed with ADHD pretty recently and I'm finding that life feels a bit more manageable now that I'm treating the root cause of my depression. Thank you for asking!

Sending you love, friend

One might look into the carnivore diet...

Julia O'Dell It’s just typos, man. I’m sure they don’t mean to change the name on purpose.

Michael bless you.

That's so beautiful.

You had bad counselors. But don't spread this as if counseling doesn't work. You're probably unaware of the benefits that counseling did for you. And disregarding a method that is based in science is the opposite of the message being spread by this professor.

@@dontbothermeimjust12 While counseling certainly works for many, or maybe even the majority, of people, I do believe that it severely lacks in its ability to truly get to the physiological and philosophical core of what is experienced. I personally benefit more long-term from videos on KZhead of scientists and philosophers talking about what I'm really experiencing as opposed to a therapist I'm paying hundreds of dollars for telling me essentially what I want to hear. Understanding the illusion of self and the vulnerability to thoughts through vipassana has helped me quite a bit in that regard.

agreed

Parents don’t even want to put masks on their kids to protect them.

@@tylertyler82 maybe because kids make up .0006% of covid deaths in the US. If you don't understand the anti-fragile nature of children, I pray to God you never have them.

As the parent of a young adult with depression that began very early for him, I wish I had seen this so many years ago. So many missed opportunities to validate his feelings, encourage him, love him harder when I did the opposite because I just didn’t understand. He isn’t nearly as hard on me as I am on myself about this. I just wish I could “fix” my baby.

All adults were once children needing that lesson too

Well u never know....

I like that he doesn't talk above people's heads. He speaks so people can understand.

How can you be so certain that he doesn't experience depression?

You missed a huge point. He literally said everyone experiences depression. He's experienced and analyzed it with his own mind and probably studied the thoughts of other educated people to understand it better.

@@OneTyler2Many He also said 15% get depression (MDD) before that 00:01:40 or 01:40 . Wiered me out with the "everyone gets depression" sentence he said also. I don't think his meaning of MDD and depression differed, but I guess it's like MDD = diagnosed and depression = non-diagnosed + diagnosed.