The KEY Reason Why Phil Jackson Coached Kobe Differently Than Shaq
2024 ж. 21 Ақп.
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Brian Shaw explains why Phil Jackson had to coach Kobe differently during the first three Lakers Championships #losangeleslakers #brianshaw #paulgeorge #shaq
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B-Shaw is one of the greatest storytellers i've seen, seems like he knows shit from every era in the NBA, the ultimate guest on a podcast! GJ bringing him P
So many clips from this episode with Shaw have been fascinating! Great basketball mind and very well spoken 👏🏼
@FreeDawkins is the goat highlight guy
@@brandons9913very well spoken
I hear this a lot I hear Kevin Garnet was Iman Shepherd a few ppl they say this about
Wrdup so is #JohnSalley keeps it💯🫡
Kobe getting vice grips after phil said mj was better bc of the hands, is Mamba Mentality personified lmao. Rest Easy 24
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Big facks. Kobe was a killer.
And Jordan's hands were gigantic. The only SF/SG with bigger hands is Kawhi. So it's basically like if PG 13 was working with vice grips to get Kawhi's hands.
@@BurritoKingdomI actually think their hands are pretty much the same size. Somewhere on the internet are measurements of players known for palming ability, Dr. J, MJ, and others. I remember being surprised that MJ measured up the same as Dr J and Kwahi.
At First i thought He would get Hand-lengthening surgery or Something 😄😄
I've always said this about Phil Jackson. His greatest strength as a coach wasn't because of his basketball IQ, but his human emotional IQ that allowed him to UNDERSTAND his players more than they knew themselves. Phil Jackson was like that understanding, nurturing, low-key grandpa who always made you feel special for helping him out yet you're not realising there was an exercise in doing these tasks beneath it all. In the end it was a win win situation because he never made you feel pressured and you learned and got better.
Knicks fans and Carmelo Anthony call bullshit
phil was over it at that point and knew that team wasn't going to get anywhere@@TheCodSaint
@@JavierJimenez-kn2ob the knicks were 2nd in the east when he took over and went downhill every year moving forward with him. But yeah “he was over it” and “we werent going anywhere” typical casual take
super casual bro, but I do know that the last time the knicks won a ship phil was a player on the team hahaha@@TheCodSaint
@@TheCodSaint oh shit we really put Melo on the same leadership level and skill level as Kobe and Mike huh. Melo doesn't have that drive to be a championship contender so it already stopped in to that point no matter how good the coach is. Plus if that's how we put it. We can no longer say on MJ vs Lebron argument that MJ only won because he had good coach if you downplay Phil like that.
This might be the most insightful kobe vid I’ve seen. Shaw literally gave you the reason kobes confidence was so high. They never told Kobe no
Also makes since because of the Coach before Phil got there coached them.
They never told him no?? Starting from his rookie year they benched him and didn’t let him expand his game. Phil was smarter about it because he had MJs DNA. Shaq had to be disciplined or he wouldn’t turn it on.
@@kl-cy9du on top of that, he was told not to go for a 10th straight 40pt game because he needed to feed shaq
@@kl-cy9duhe wasn't good enough yet and had a better player ahead of him 🤦
Kobe's confidence would have been high anyways. Kobe could take criticism. He took it from plenty of people, especially Phil, and he used it as fuel to get better at his craft, plus he wanted to learn as much as possible. He was also told "no" more than probably anyone else on the team, especially with Del Harris as the coach. Kobe had to sacrifice a lot of individual success for the sake of Shaq's ego. That's being told no. Kobe had stretches of historic dominance that ended because of having to cater to Shaq's ego. Phil usually told Kobe what he needed to hear behind closed doors, just like he did with MJ. Kobe didn't need to be yelled at in practice, but Shaq did since he didn't always take the game as seriously, especially in practice. Kobe didn't need a babysitter, or a disciplinarian. His biggest disciplinarian was himself. Kobe just needed to be steered, and pointed in the right direction like a deadly weapon, or a fire that couldn't be put out.
Phil Jackson deserves alot more credit then he is given. Coach and philosopher.
How? Hes looked at as goat in most circles
I got Greg Pop, Phil Jackson, Pat Riley, Erik Spolstra, and Larry Brown as my top 5 coaches ever
@@Balal8281 Larry Brown does not belong on that list. Red Auerbach needs to be there
@@thesauce669 as a GM no doubt. But personally I can’t throw anyone, player or coach, who didn’t compete in the actual competitive era (late 70s till now) in my top 5. To me I would rather put Chuck Daly in place of Larry Brown now that I think about it. The weight of his titles and accomplishments is simply heavier than Red Auerbach’s.
@@Balal8281 That's a fair assessment. You can not fault someone though if they only perform in the arena which was available to them. Would you also say no MLB records should really hold any weight before 4/15/47?
Phil was the type of coach who would coach players differently versus the type of coach who treated everyone the same. Both methods can work if you're a great coach. However, I don't see any other coach that could've handled the Bulls with people like Jordan, Pippen, Rodman, etc. and have that kind of success or the Lakers with Shaq and Kobe.
Phil was a natural leader. Very much a father figure and role model.
Imagine trying to be Jordan's coach? 😅
Riley was good at reining egos in too. One of the few coaches the superstar players know they can't walk over.
I didn't like coaches that do all that cussing. I understand it works for some people but how Phil picked what worked best to motivate his players
Phil is the Zen Master. What made him successful was to deeply analyze the personalities of each of his players and extract the most. Especially the stars like MJ, Pip, Rodman, Shaq, Pau and Kobe. He's one of a kind.
Kobe had the mindset of vegetta when it came to basketball 🏀.. always looking to be better than yesterday
Hahahaha yes!!
You couldn’t had said it any better !!
Jordan is Goku or what?
Yes he is the greatest hardworking human being on the planet❤😢
Shoutout to B-Shaw on giving out game with the German shepherds 😂. I’m bout to get me a a German shepherd puppy soon, so thanks for the tidbits 🫡
That's a terrible advice. The puppy has to learn how to deal with frustration before he is 6 or 8 months old, if you want a "family" dog that don't destroy all your stuff. If you want a dog that's capable of biting humans like in his specific case, that's probably a good advice but i don't know much of dog education when we are talking about biting dog, k9...
Yea idk who his dog trainer was but your German shepherd going to own your house if u listen to his advice
Sounds like Bshaws advice is for a guard dog, not a family dog so..
I've been raising my well trained gsd boy since he was 7 weeks. And let me tell you B. Shaw is misleading with that BS of not telling the dog "no" . Marking bad behavior as a puppy is a MUST. I don't know wtf he is talking about. I would never take that advice.
Yeah sounds odd. Im a dog owner but I've never heard of never saying no to your dog. He has to learn right from wrong drom the beginning. Maybe fot a guard dog idk@cortlandsimmons6241
Coach on the court. Brian Shaw was always a great role player. A player a team needed for that calm and cool mentality. There is not a team made that a Brian Shaw can not help. Sacrifice. One Love
Shoutout Brian Shaw on the Heart and Hustle Magic teams in the early 00s
I like that. Nurture the monster for your attack dog. Players that lack the clutch gene is because they’re scared of failing
True but it also goes hand in hand because Kobe deserved it with his work ethic and talent. Imagine doing the same with an average player. You can see it play out in real time with Jordan Poole. Dude is always in attack mode to the detriment to his team now
@@penname4764 I can't say that I have really studied his game, only segments; but if I look at the whole arch if Poole: I see a guy who was second in line after Curry and Klay, but Greene took his confidence away.
😂😂😂 "soon as Phil said that you see Kobe in the locker room with vice grips" 💯 and he prolly ran back Come Fly With Me and Hang Time twice a day for the rest of the season😂🤣😂🤣 Kobe Kob is the coldest! Shout to Kobe, Mike, & Phil!
No Cap i did not expect BShaw to be dropping this much heat 🔥
That was an absolutely brilliant story from Shaw.
B-Shaw is awesome dude! Thank you for memory lane for us guys who grew up in the 90's!
B Shaw was able to be a mediator for Kobe and Shaq. That lets you know how zen he is
He was garbage
@@Alphasports576clown
@@Alphasports576hater
@@liulbitew14 no true watch his whole career was never anything special
@@Alphasports576he was a solid roll player ..came out of oak town ..like gp and j kidd
WOW this breakdown just gave me a new appreciation for Phil Jackson! Knowing how a person was raised dictated his coaching style that's awesome.
Did you not pay attention when he was actively the coach? He was lighting sage in the locker room waaaay before Kyrie Irving started doing it. He would give all his players books to read that were based on life & philosophy. He used pre & post game interviews to take personal jabs at his players to motivate them. Sports at the highest level is more mental than physical
@@tylerm993 Bruh what..... All I said is I have a "new" appreciation for Phil Jackson. What does you comment have to do with anything??? LMBO Take care guy!!! LMBO
@@brandonshannon6864 I wasn't trying to be disrespectful bro. It's just that you said a new appreciation knowing how a person was raised. Most of us that follow the Lakers knew this 2 decades ago that's how Phil coaches
Phil is the Zen Master. What made him successful was to deeply analyze the personalities of each of his players and extract the most. Especially the stars like MJ, Pip, Rodman, Shaq, Pau and Kobe. He's one of a kind.
The best podcast out in my opinion! Appreciate dropping gems
lol kobe exercising his hand grips.. hilarious, yet so insightful
Out of everything said: You got to give huge credit to Coach Jackson for having the wisdom to apply this. It totally - TOTALLY make sense now looking back at the whole thing!
Brian shaw needs his own show
I can second that. I'm impressed hearing him talk.
He does he has alot of stories hopefully he does get one soon.
@@ohhhyeahhh1174 I love how youtube give this opportunity for everyone. Honestly, that is a great gift to all people.
Mike Tomlin of the Steelers said it best….’I’d rather have to say ‘whoa’ than ‘sic em’
WHAT a GREAT comment!
Yall gotta read/listen to Phill Jackson 11 Rings book. Such great insight to his coaching throughout his career
The Last Season was one of the worst books I read.
This whole interview is fantastic. Thank you!
This is such a good outlook and story.
Great insight from a humble man🙌🏾
This podcast was the absolute best BShaw is a legend
Avg NBA player
@@Alphasports57614 year nba career isn’t average.
Stats below avg weak defense
@@Alphasports576 I said what I said.
@@Alphasports576 Who cares he lasted along time and was clutch when the moments arrived, no one is saying bshaw was a stud but yeah he was good enough to play 14 seasons also be a assistant coach for kobe during his run in the mid and upper 00s.
Great analogy B Shaw!
Wow. This cool to hear. Props for being so open. 💯
Great insight. But to further this point, I'd love to hear him talk about how this relates to the 2003 season when Kobe had 9 straight games with 40+ points, and Phil told Kobe to pull back and score less so Shaq could get more involved once he returned during that streak. Individally, Kobe could have done even more insane stuff but he was playing for championships.
Imagine if Phil never reigned in Kobe. Maybe he would’ve had that 81 point phenomenon sooner 👀
At least they waited til the end with the price picks shyt. Respect.
Phil told Shaq that Wilt played every minute of every game for a whole season to motivate him into the best shape of his life.
Ya, and then Shaq won a championship playing 40 minutes per night, and then took it easy for the rest of his career. He did work his butt off though. Not saying he was slacking, but he wasn't Kobe or MJ with his work ethic. Very few people are though. Honestly, that type of work ethic might have gotten Shaq injured with his size, lol.
Shaq was one of those players who was so gifted that he didn't have to try that hard to be a max contract player, and since Shaq valued money first, I don't think he felt much motivation to do more than was necessary for a max contract. Props to Phil for motivating him beyond that for even just one season, but if there was no max in basketball Shaq would probably be the GOAT lol.
Shaq could’ve been the goat. He certainly had the physical gifts to be. But he just didn’t have that mamba mentality to make it happen. So as it is, Shaq is great, but not goat.
@@TygerByteAnd despite Shaq not having Kobe’s work ethic. He still put much more effort with the Lakers than that underachieving pussy, Anthony Davis. I rather have Shaq be fat than be skinny and anorexic and let 6”5” guards like Desmond Bane push him out of post up stance like AD does.
Phil raised Kobe to be a crazy Pitt. Love it
B-Shaw left out is that Kobe trained harder and longer than everyone else. So Phil Jackson never had to ask pre-Achilles Tear Kobe to train or work harder.
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Kobe was a great side kick. 5 time champ as the sidekick. Let him cook
@@kenw2225 playoff and regular season numbers says he was no side kick but nice try buddy
Phil held Kobe accountable regardless of what B-Shaw say's. Kobe heard the word no a ton of times. It's just that Kobe didn't need to have Phil up his butt. All Phil had to do was talk to Kobe because Kobe would listen to what Phil had to say, and do what he said. Some people need to be pushed harder, like Shaq, but you know how it is with a lockeroom. If you are talking with one player, and yelling at the other, they think something is wrong when in reality it's just that one player needs to be pushed, and the other just needs to be steered in the right direction.
@@HoneyBadger90 You really think MJ would've been Shaq's sidekick? Man, sit ya ass down.
I remember Kobe being obsessed with hand grips later on. So that was why... You can even see on his interviews that his ring fingers are almost stretched beyond its natural point. Man was fuckin nuts!
went to 3 straight finals and won back to back with broken fingers in his shooting hand wtf dude is a monster
Yet another fact that proved Kobe was NEVER carried. It’s “Shaq and kobe” or “kobe and Shaq” never “Shaq’s lakers”. Shaq was the best but they were literally a “dynamic duo”
The people you're calling out are haters who shouldn't be taken seriously. Kobe was never carried. But every team's gameplan was to stop Shaq. They leaned on Kobe to dominate in his Western Conference matchups, and he performed. Being guarded by dirty Bruce Bowen was no joke. But having to battle both David Robinson and Tim Duncan at the same time is a little harder
@@Fieryvortex48way harder since he couldn’t shoot free throws
@@BonesDMS4life Not really. Hack a Shaq isn't as a viable strategy in playoff games as people overhype because it'll still hurt since Shaq scoring at a near 50% FT rate in low scoring games in the 2000s especially down the clutch which is why teams preferred to play straight up. Shaq's FT's never lost you a playoff game
I’d argue Shaq wasn’t the best being the most dominant don’t make u the best
@@jalynjones9136 You contradicted yourself there. Shaq was the best, period. The Lakers aren't a dynasty without Kobe, that much is true and shouldn't be disputed. But Shaq was the one receiving doubles and triples on a daily basis and still dominating. I saw teams throw a bunch of different coverages on Kobe later on that he dissected himself, but the way teams tried to stop Shaq is only comparable to 5 players needing to be aware of where Curry is at all times on the court
B-Shaw needs another Head Coaching Position
DANG Phil, you should've made that comment on MJ's hands while he was Frobe. 🤦🏾😂
Deadass😂
😂😂😂
Ikr, he lost his hair and became weak.
@@ethanquenum4778 Exactly. Only thing lower than that would be a male posting comments online begging 4 attention.
@@ethanquenum4778you trippin. Kobe was way better when he cut the Afro.
This is good stuff !
Great interviewee
This is true and maybe misunderstood by most. But I am a dog trainer. I train personal protection and guard dogs. My foundation training is all about confidence. Establishing a fuck the world attitude, its only us. Phil had to test and probe Kobe, like I do with my dogs and kids. Only way you can find out who they are is instilling confidence to be themselves. From there you must hardware obedience into them until it becomes second nature. The aggression most first and foremost come out of obience. Kobe early on wasn't as secure within himself as Shaq may have been. Kobe socialization process was search attack and destroy. It was a constant instance of proving himself. Shaq socialization process was always I already know I can destroy you,but the question was when. Because he didn't want to hurt or injure anyone. I understand this. Right now I have a 186lbs Bandog that I had to gradually toughen up at his own pace. Where as my german shepherd was like Kobe, observant and looking to defend from day one.
lol
It’s really disrespectful how the conversation just skipped over Kobe and went straight to Lebron vs. Jordan. He deserved much more respect than that from the basketball community. Taking nothing away from Lebron 🙏🏾
Cause bron does much more that kobe or mj can’t do lol. Lead both finals teams in points, assist, steals. Blocks, AND rebounds to 73-9 win team…..mj and kobe didn’t do anything close to that. Plus people hate Bron for losing at 26 against mavs….that mavs team swept kobe so how could he even be in the convo???? And kobe was a champion already so he knew better
We saw how Kobe won us the gold medal in 08 not bron
Kobe was better to Mike to me i seen Kobe play 20 years ago
@@ticogomez9882 how old was those guys and how much playing time did they have??? Bron won gold that year too lol. The year Bron didn’t win gold he didn’t get playing time, the nba had the VETS play and lose
It didn’t skip brother, that’s just the narrative the NBA/ESPN want to sell you. Remember, they’re a business first. They’re always pushing a product.
Phil Jackson is on record as saying, he hated coaching. Kobe, and Kobe was uncatchable.
Well, if that was the case, why did Phil come back after he left the Lakers? Phil, was trying to sell books so he knew dumb dumbs like yourself would gravitate to any negativity he said about Kobe.
Yet they won 5 Championships together
The 1st 3 peat years Kobe was a headache, wouldn't pass Shaq the ball and was selfish,the Kobe work Paul gasol and bynum was very coachable and had matured
Its weird especially Phil going at Kobe like that in his book.
Kobe is pure competitive madness! 🔥
Shaw in the middle of some legendary shit. Phil had great players, but also knew how to coach them.
Zen master just zennin and winnin
Kobe the best 🫶🏽🫡🏀
Good point
AYO I NEED HIM AS MY THERAPIST 💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿🖤PHIL JACK ZEN MASTER
3:56 I can totally see Kobe carrying those finger strengthener tools with him everywhere he went and using them 24/7 🤣 dude was just built different
This is why phil was the goat... he had to cater his coaching to extreme egos... pop didnt have to deal with that much... TD, david robinson, parker, ginobili.. all low key superstars/all stars
Phil Jackson could’ve been a psychologist
I still wonder why Phil said KOBE was uncoachable in his bio-book ???
He wasn't ready to receive the knowledge, wisdom and experience the way he wanted him too@@user-be7tc2bd6e
@@user-be7tc2bd6e Because Phil Jackson wrote that after the 2004 season which was peak Kobe + Shaq feud and there was drama between him and the Lakers FO. There was a legitimate shift in Kobe's personality and leadership from 2004 to those 3 finals runs from 2008-2010 that doesn't get talked about enough. That same hot headed, arrogant Kobe in 2004 wasn't there by 2008. Phil Jackson doesn't believe Kobe was uncoachable if you ask him today
@@user-be7tc2bd6eKobe had ego issues and shot them out of the finals trying to get FMVP in 2004 that’s why. Kobe later on changed his attitude and Phil took back what he said because he changed.
@@Fieryvortex48 WORDS in your bio-book last forever,especially coming from a very successful nba coach like Jackson who was around Kobe a lot. Have you noticed no one's asked him about that even today.
Palming the ball doesn’t make u a better basketball player , Phil needed something to say , Kobe would have kicked Jordan’s butt one on one
Reason why Phil Jordan‘s hands is the fact that he could manipulate the ball which ever way he wanted to.
Yes it does
Kobe in 2003 would beat any wing player in history
2006 Kobe vs. 1989 MJ in a one-on-one would need a best of 999 to decide the winner.
Shoutout to PG for asking some real ass questions
B shaw is the man
Love kobe stories, kobe bean
I swear dude was just built different. The greats before me did X well I’ll do 2X. We are lucky the 3PT wasn’t what it is now back then. Kobe would be working on his 3 like crazy.
he did go crazy with the 3s in the 02/03 season.
That's interesting the relation he gave about the dog and Kobe. When a person's confidence is shot: Do they have anything
Well Put Shaw
Kobe was something else lol 😅
Notice how he said Phil didn't do that at first. During their 2nd stint, I've personally seen Phil chew out Kobe "SIT DOWN!" while pointing at the bench.
Phil really see something special in Kobe.
That’s a great analogy. When Phil got Mike, mj was already a full grown German shepherd.. when Phil got Kobe he was still a German shepherd puppy 😂😂😂
The difference between Phil & most coaches is he understood Love Languages. Once you know someone’s love language you can understand them better.
Phil Jackson the diabolical genius!!
As great as a coach Phil was with the Lakers and all he accomplished his greatness only went so far as it relates to managing the teammate personalities of Kobe & Shaq... To this day I can't understand how a "great motivator" like Phil Jackson, his reputational calling card, couldn't find a way for Shaq/Kobe to exist and play longer together; to essentially chase and earn more rings together
thriple threat position fakes with a palmed ball is unstoppable if you think about it
Must have been quite an adjustment for Phil too. Coming from coaching MJ, where MJ while being the man was also more coachable due to his college stint being coached by Dean Smith and even Bob Knight, to Kobe who was probably used to do his own thing unless you really impressed him with the reasoning for why something should be done. That willingness to adjust is just as impressive.
I KNEW YA’LL WOULD LISTEN TO ME AND CLIP THIS!!! Lol.
Chuck daly said something similar when he coached the bad boys. He could cuss out some players, but others he wouldn't because they wouldn't react well, I think it was Mark Aguire.
Shaw is a smart hooper
This is just another example of why Phil is the GOAT.
Thats why hes the goat coach
That's why Phil Jackson is the GOAT coach.
Compared to foreign basketball coaches, NBA coaches, I believe, are primarily personality managers and culture setters rather than tacticians
phil is your caring grandfather. who knows you more than your parents.
He FROM Philly and played against all dogs …go look at his game vs Chester hs …
Phil just has a brilliant mind for basketball. MJ and Kobe's success was largely in part to that man's genius.
And not the work they put in, right? Phil was great, but c'mon, now. Phil wasn't out there hitting those big shots.
Kobe built different!
Mike had the hands and 48 inch vertical but Kobe’s jumper was better, especially from 3.
i believe that there are exactly two kinds of people. those who would wear their own image and name on a shirt, and those who wouldn´t.
Phil was brilliant
That's why my dad called Phil ( Fila ).
Its crazy how success can shape a narrative cuz if those Lakers didnt win those rings, we'd all be saying "in hindsight its bad coaching to neglect your future HoF Star and thhe entire rest of the team to play favorites for your young star" or "damn, Kobe really wasnt a good teammate." The more i learn about the early 2000s Lakers, the more dysfunctional i realize it was. So glad they got the 3peat before all was said and done tho
Jordan wouldn't be Jordan without Phil Jackson. Phil Jackson was the real leader of the Bulls dynasty.
Jordan was already Jordan, just needed a coach to get him over the hump
Without watching this interview I can comment on that. Because they were two different people.
I don’t think it’ll ever feel real that Kobe’s not on this earth anymore.
Move the f*ck on with your life. I hope you have that same love for your relatives.
RIP Black Mamba
Phil is an MK handler “allegedly”
Podcast P with Paul George i hope you're next guest is Jaylen Brown 😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤
Thanks so now I’m never telling my son no lol
I would say “Phil coached Rodman” but these days it’s lookin more and more like “Phil coached Pippen” is the bigger compliment
MJ: I got bigger hands, so I'm better Kobe: Hold my vice grips
Yea, okay. Not with Corsos. My girl would be a monster if I didn’t enforce boundaries day one; and her confidence is great for an 8 month old pup, but to the point, Kobe wanted to be the best and worked towards that; and saw his hard work manifest into success on the court. That alone is inspirational and will lead to confidence.
It’s easy to coach everybody the same. It’s next level to coach each player the way he needs to be coached. Maybe that’s why Phill has 9-10 rings as a coach and Pop only 5
My high ahh thought this was Lamar Odom bald ahh thts y i picked this video💀😭
Phil Jackson was ....for Hoops ...was a genius or Guru of the highest order.
To me Kobe was the definition of the tragic hero. His greatest strength - Mamba Mentality - that led him to the top was the same thing that led to his downfall where he wrecks his body and alienates teammates. I think Phil has gone on record saying he knew he wouldn’t be able to effectively coach Kobe late in Kobe’s career
Man I've always felt the same way honestly, and fans and players seem to love this personality type so much that he frequently gets overrated, in the sense that a lot of people slot him as top-3 when in reality he's like 9-13. I think it's because he represents American values, in the sense that he's selfish and overconfident, but also extremely self-motivated, industrious and strong willed.