Phil Collins' Former Bandmates Have A Lot To Say About Him
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In the 1980s, Phil Collins earned millions of fans by churning out a string of Top 40 hits. But to those who worked with him, Collins could be overly-demanding and difficult.
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Andrea Bertorelli | 0:00
Peter Gabriel | 1:12
Chester Thompson | 2:07
Bill Bruford | 2:49
Nic Collins | 3:54
Daryl Stuermer | 5:03
Mike Rutherford | 6:09
Steve Hackett | 6:50
Jimmy Page | 7:44
Tony Banks | 8:48
Marilyn Martin | 9:39
Leland Sklar | 10:11
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Are you a fan of Phil Collins' music?
Yes his contributions to the music industry will stand the test of time. He had 17 US top 40 hits with Genesis and their only number one hit with Invisible Touch plus 3 dozen US top 40 solo hits and seven US number singles (Groovy Kind of Love, Against All Odds [Take A Look at Me Now], Separate Lives, Two Hearts, Another Day In Paradise, One More Night, and Sussudio). In that 20 year span, he had a combined total of 53 US top 40 hits and eight US number one singles.
Huge!!! My favorite singer and Genesis is such a great band❤😊 He's also a fabulous drummer.
Yup!
Oh my, yes I am!
Yes!
I met the man years ago for a music store appearance where I was the manager. I chatted with him for over an hour and he was the nicest, most down to earth rock star I ever met.
That's nice to hear. To be honest, I'm not a fan of all of this business of putting rock stars on a pedestal, referring to them as 'gods', 'legends', etc. In the end, they make a nice noise for a living; key workers, who get nowhere near the status or adulation, are far more important to all of us. Society has a very odd sense of perspective...
And being a fan since the 70's, that's exactly how I perceive him.
@@odetteswann7694 I see where you are coming from. The perspective I suppose is that anybody can be what you call a key worker - the bar is very low - whereas very few get to be what people call a rock star. It may be that many people "could" do what a rock star does (unlikely) but it's what you are that counts, not what you could/would/should be.
you are nieve to the world if you take such a stance on a person from a simple meeting, that same person might be going home to beat thier wife.
@@MrMikomi Anybody can be a key worker? No. Anybody nowadays COULD be a key worker (you're correct that the bar is low/has been lowered); but it takes a special kind of person to be able to do well what a policeman, say, or a nurse, has to do. That's why we have so few good police and health care workers. Rock stars got where they are by indulging in their hobbies, not by devotion to the service of others, often enduring unhealthy eat/sleep patterns to carry out what they feel they need to do. And in the end, society could survive without rock stars, but not without key workers, as the pandemic should have reminded everyone. It's society's perception and values that have become skewed. That's my take on it, anyway.
My Dad met Phil on a flight in the late 80's. Phil wrote me an autograph on a flight meal menu, telling me to "be nice to your Dad" and he drew a little stick man playing the drums. I always thought that was really nice of him.
People are always claiming one being better than the other but in my opinion Peter and Phil’s time as lead vocalist in Genesis were BOTH excellent eras. And solo wise they both did excellent work.
I have no issue listening to either era of Genesis. Gabriel's voice just soared and Collins' feels like a warm hug. I love listening to anything from Genesis.
I like Collin’s Genesis better BUT GABE BLOWS HIM AWAY AS A SOLO ACT !!!!!!!!!!
@@user-jg5ws9gr8n Well Peter did great things with Sledgehammers but when he swung for Phil in the TOTPs charts he missed again…lol
@@user-jg5ws9gr8n Funny thing was, when Phil was first doing lead vocal duties in Genesis critics were saying -‘He sounds more like Peter Gabriel than Peter Gabriel does ‘ 🤔 lol
Genius
The only part of this that slightly disappoints me is how it ended with Chester. Chester is a next level monster on drums. He even originated that famous Zappa drum groove from Inca Roads that everyone attributes to Vinnie for some reason. Chester was an important mainstay in Phil’s band…it hurts to know they ended their relationship on a down note.
I really hope they can mend fences.
I wonder if Collins was thinking ahead of time to have his son take over Chester's role in future touring, and the only way to do it was to make things go sideways.
@@WintersWar Was NOT the case......
@@lelandsklar6363Hello Leland! Thanks for the response and clearing up a question. I appreciate your work.
My take on the Chester situation (and the legendary Mr. Sklar may attribute similarly) had a lot to do with Phil's psychological toll in dealing with how much he was taking notice of his physical breakdowns. Even in 2010, his age had affected his vocal range considerably, and even some of his projection He would pretty much lose his capacity to play the kit not too far down the road, and I think it was a difficult emotional thing for a musician like him to handle. I honestly don't know if Chester (who to my knowledge is kind of semi-retired due to his own age, and the physical toll taken on nearly all rock drummers--last I had heard, already a while back he was teaching / operating at a pretty regarded conservatory...he may have retired from that by now as well) and Phil have patched issues up or kept in touch in more recent years.
There's no question that he was difficult. He was a perfectionist & great artist. I absolutely love this man ❤
Seriously no one in sports complains that the coach is too demanding or specific when winning a superbowl. Only in the arts community is the engines of success frowned upon.
True story I have known for over 25yrs - in the 80s and 90s my dad used to run for Saints & Sinners Athletics Club in Crawley, West Sussex. A fellow club member was door-knocking his Loxwood neighbourhood for sponsorship ahead of the London Marathon, only for our man Phil to answer. Somewhat shocked, he explained he was running the marathon to raise funds for whatever the charity was. Phil said "Put me down for twenty". After the marathon, my dad's club mate went round to collect donations (this is before the internet and digital payments etc). Phil congratulated him and wrote him a cheque for £520. Perplexed, the runner explained a sponsorship fee of £20 had been agreed, to which Mr Collins replied, "yes, £20 per mile". A gent.
Thanks cool!
In other words, except for the breakup of his marriage (which is rarely pretty for anyone), Phil is low-drama. All of Genesis is low-drama. Tony and Mike have been married to the same wives for, like, 50 years. Steve is a great guy. Peter is a great guy. They're all kind to each other. There aren't many bands like them.
The biggest drama Genesis had was probably Tony and Peter being at odds with each other a lot, and even that was mild compared to stuff like the Gallagher brothers or Pink Floyd for example.
well put, my sentiments exactly. I have posted similar assessments of the band overall. All likable people.
I thought the group interview they did for RKive was telling. You could tell Peter and Tony still had issues.
I met Steve Hackett. He's a soft spoken lovely gentleman.
Maybe that's part of the reason the music press wasn't fond of them. Genesis members gave no hot headlines.
Phil is an incredible musician, writer , singer and so much more. Gabriel and all the other fellows of Genesis are the same! We have been given a treasure of everlasting wonderful music from these Gents. Thanks "G" for the ep.
Phil Collins has brought joy and happiness to millions of people for decades. No one is perfect. What have you done!
Damn right!
Are you asking the proprietor of this channel, with 2.3m subscribers, that has entertained millions for almost a decade, what they have done?
@@nessy9022 LOL, not even close to being in the same league as Phil Collins!
I just took a shit, and it was 1,000 times better than Genesis and 10,000 times better than Phil Collins. That's what I've done.
@@4youian yeah, I don't reduce art to that sports league shit, I was just wondering who your question was directed at.
Perhaps Phil's biggest problem was over-working. A brilliant singer, drummer, and song-writer, as a member of one of the greatest rock outfits ever, Collins warrants considerable respect and gratitude.
He didn’t take his own advice in his songs!!! He’s just an old simp!!!!
This man was NONSTOP..played 2 shows on 2 different continents, same day!!that's respect,passion,willpower hahaha!!😁✌️🍻
Yet, with all that effort, it's still total crap.
Absolutely.
Amen.⚡️
I dont understand the hate in so many comments. Clearly Phil is a very gifted artist, with more hits than you can count on both hands, his work in Genesis and his solo stuff is classic and timeless, and so many of his R&B songs will still be played and remembered for decades to come. Even his soundtrack work on Tarzan and Brother Bear have some amazing songs. He knows how to write a song and despite any controversies that may plague his name and reputation, one cannot deny this.
He is a fantastic drummer and singer but he’s also a sell out.
Love Genesis, love Phil. Wish I could of seen them both. Great music. Will live on forever. His songs are so smooth that I never get tried of hearing them.
The only good thing about Genesis was Peter Gabriel.
@@rickwilliams967You mean the only irrirating part? He seemed to be more interested at butchering the songs with his annoying screaming and wearing weird clothes than making good music.
As his drum tech Brad Marsh said, "Compared to Prince, he's a sweetheart."
What a career Phil had! Everytime you turned around he was on the radio or MTV. Hit after hit. One of my faves of the 80's.
And what annoying it was to see and hear this man and his crap music so much on radio and TV. .....terrorizing.
All.his songs are OVERPLAYED.....if I hear Against all odds I will scratch my eyes out 😆😆😆 .....Can you seriously listen to (I can feel coming in the air ) anymore ???.....its sickening.....😆😆😆😆
Haha he definitely seems to split opinion 😅
That's All By Genesis Is my Fav.. Such a classic song
Yes and misunderstanding
My favorite song from PC is against all odds. Beautiful, haunting, and terribly lonely. A man talking to himself about how the relationship ended and feeling worthless when she left. Deeply personal but somehow this song resonates with so many people like myself. When she moves out and every room in the house feels empty without her. You feel like you've lost everything that ever mattered.
In the air tonight
Another day in paradise is also a good song
When the song won a Grammy somebody else sang it much to Phil’s confusion
Jeez - NUT UP, BRO! Unless you were a mean ahole, druggo, cheater, or beater - then SHE wasn't good enough for YOU, savvy? This isn't effing Cryin' Jimmy Kimmel's mangina crying corner fer crissake.
And into that "empty house" the other two members of Genesis moved in and created what became the Duke album.
1970’s Genesis was one of my favorite bands of all time. Phil is a great drummer and front man. Gabriel is great tt
I totally agree, I am old, but for my alltime best bands list...... no 1 are the Beatles, but now, I switched Pink Floyd and Genesis. Today I say Genesis is the no 2, and then Pink Floyd. So all musicians are great of Genesis, also Hackett and Gabriel, but I liked Daryl Stuermer and Chester Thompson too and now Phil has a great successor in his so talented son Nic.
In 1972 a group called "Bell 'Arc" disbanded forcing the support act: Genesis to top the bill for the first time and you know the rest:) It was in fronrtof 3m000 at THe Crotdon Greyhound in S E London.
True ..... Collins is a great drummer 👍
Phil is the whole reason why I started to play drums. I think a lot of people play drums because they have seen Phil play drums😊
Top musicians don't get where they are without being tough, including being tough with themselves - they have high expectations. Genesis music was enormously ambitious, when you look at the quality of their writing and performing output and how young they were through like, Foxtrot era, it's staggering. Phil was so unique as a drummer that he's usually overlooked as one of the greats, people seem to pigeonhole him more as a vocalist which he's great at, but it's his drumming which is phenomenal, if you haven't heard Apocalypse in 9/8 he's holding this all together.
Phil was up there with Bill Bruford, Carl Palmer, Alan White, and the sadly overlooked Michael Giles (original King Crimson drummer). All great Prog drummers!
@@ronbo11 He was also the drummer for the fusion band, Brand X. Collins is a very talented individual. I would be more than happy to chat with him over a coffee or a pint. Collins is also an expert on the Alamo.
I love Phil's music and have a few of the 80's Genesis albums. I even have a bootleg album of one of their early tours in the 70's. I wasn't a big prog rock fan but it was such a great performance and I really had no idea who Collins was at that time. But I think the favorite thing for me that he did, was the soundtrack from the Tarzan movie. That really blew me away. I used to put that movie on quite frequently, just to run through the scenes his songs were in. They were just perfect and really elevated that movie to another level. That's when I realized just how much talent this guy really had. Good or bad, Phil has given me a lot of musical enjoyment over many years and I can't thank him enough. He was a big part of the soundtrack of my life.
The Mama concert was probably one of the best I have ever seen . The sound was phenomenal and light show was great .
The Vari-lights that Genesis helped Invent, really seperated Genesis concerts from the rest!!!!! and now the lights r a staple for all bands!!!!
To me, that was the last album/tour that Genesis was firing on all cylinders. But my favorite Phil-era album remains "A Trick of the Tail". I just loved having that Steve Hackett guitar still going strong and the songs like "Los Endos", "Ripples", "Dance on the Volcano" and "Squonk" were just outstanding.
@@slipperman6770 Dallas' Showco definitely brought lighting to a whole new level with their work with Genesis and, let's no forget, Led Zeppelin.
I wouldn't say I was a huge fan but have enjoyed some of his music and solo records. He is a British music icon, gave a lot to the music and entertainment industry as it was. It is very sad to see his health decline so much in recent years.
A great down to earth guy. That's it.
He may have been overly demanding but…where would they be without him?
Not to mention the kind of music he was writing was very different at the time.
a lot of band leaders are perfectionists and demanding--starting with McCartney
Unusually well done for this kind of vid. Good job.
If I was Phil Collins, I would be very happy with this video - it pretends to say that he was difficult for clicks, but instead portrays him as a nice and talented guy
Phil is an amazing drummer, singer and songwriter - world class. He's always had a problem with women which has caused him problems in his career - his mother doted on him and always treated him as his "Golden Boy". I am sure he was good fun with the lads but when it came to his relationship with women, something was never right.
extremely moody and emotionally closed off
@@lynnhubbard844Hi Lynn. I'm sincerely curious as to where you obtained this personal information about Phil's peronality traits (I've never read or heard about him being extremely moody) or his emotional availability.
Earlier today l revisited 'Cinema Show' [Selling England By the Pound]. Phil's drumming is a revelation. Precise and punchy. The majority of very creative people, in my view, are prickly. After years, no matter who the collaborator, they want things a certain way. Jimmy Page wanted things a certain way and Phil didn't deliver. Jet lag? Every member of Genesis, including Chester, Darryl and Leland, has enriched my musical life. And they are all human, they all have bad days. From being the drummer, when Peter split, Phil stepped up into the Front Man role. lt's miraculous they carried on and flourished, more than previously. God bless PC.
I never understood why Page needed to flame him publicly over that day at Live Aid, (I attended). He possessed some rancor for some reason.
They couldn't find him any 14 year old girls to ease his heroin withdrawls. @@WintersWar
@@WintersWar Page was in a mess that day.
phil collins is still one of my favorites. “l don’t care anymore” and “mama” are still two of my all time favorites. l honestly can’t say that about too many artists and songs back then. l try and roll with the times, and not go backwards n listen to the music l grew up on, cause there really is a plethora of music to choose from out there. l’m 52 now, and l’m excited about what new sounds are coming out in the underground music scene. you gotta know how to dig deep for the good stuff, l never listen to that mainstream bullshit…that shit is garbage, and for people that idolize the kardashians twits and think justin bieber actually has talent.🫵🏼🤪 *people are clueless*
When he talked about drumming for Ledzep, he didn t mentioned that Phil was drummer for Robert Plant on his first single tour ! I was at the concert at the Forum of Montreal in 1983. Was a great show that started with a drum beat ! it s on YT . The first time i saw Genesis was in 1974 in Montreal in a Sport Center. That is also on YT. check it out ! i was there and it was very special. I was 18 years old ! thanks for reading my comment ! 😎
I saw Phil backing up Eric Clapton on the drums at The Forum in 86. He didn't say a word during the concert. He just played his ass off.
I wish i was there too but that s the yeari bought my first highway truck and was on the road all the time ! Actually it s the Mack truck in my logo ! I was pulling for Big Wheels transport out of PEI ! hauling potatoes from the island to Montreal and Toronto ! Been trucking for 35 years now retired i bought a acoustic guitar and my friend sold me his Korg BX3 organ he bought new in 1979 ! lol ! i ll start posting more vids soon ! have a happy new year !😎@@Chatta-Ortega
@Grunge - Well done! Keep up the good work!!
Part of the game isn't it? Love Collins' music and stage presence, contact with the audience. So sad with his physical problems and that latest marriage sure did not help. Hope he can still see better days.
Watching Miami Vice and hearing Take Me Home......I immediately knew who it was. The song had been released like 6 months earlier. I was thinking to myself....where have I been. PDC Collins
We met Phil in London @ Townhouse Studios in 1984. We were there for the mastering and record cut for our song Cccan't You See 7" and 12" versions. Phil was an absolute gent!!
Yes I am a fan ❤❤❤❤❤
After performing while being high as a kite and butchering the songs HE wrote and had played for years, Jimmy Page had no business blaming Phil for the disatrous Led Zeppelin reunion.
Exactly
It’s clear from Phil’s book and other biographies that he never really got over the breakup of his first marriage.
did it also send him into a spiralling drinking problem too? Can't remember.....
He got into sake when Genesis toured Japan in late 78 and took it from there.
Phil is a rock icon !!
I could never understand what the big stink was over Phil playing on Stairway at Live Aid. I remember watching it while it was happening and I thought he was great. I still do.
And he is an honorary Texan... For donating his Alamo collection to San Antonio!
Awesome ❤❤❤❤❤❤
"Band member doesn't get along with band mates and ex-wives." Truly shocking.
Who'd think the lyrics "Well, if you told me you were drowning I would not lend a hand" would cause bad blood.
Great music, amazing live performances, I'm sure he had to be tough on the band in order to achieve this.
If his health problems are making him angry and bitter, don't take it personally. Constant pain will change you for the worse. That's not him talking, that's his anger at his own pain talking. Just let it roll off your back.
I've suffered with chronic pain for 25yrs years, and I can attest to the fact that it will change your life in ways that you could never have imagined. People who never have a pain-free moment are not fit to be around others, much less work a job as stressful as that of a touring musician. The fact that he continued as long as he did is to be commended! 🥁👍
@@davidmccall4776 After being my wife's caregiver for 5 years, I sadly know exactly what you are talking about. I wish I didn't and I wish you didn't either.
I’ve read about many musicians that come from blue collar backgrounds having constant feelings of inadequacy and imminent failure when they are at the height of their popularity. That may also be part of the drive to keep going even when they should call it a day. I respect Elton John for doing this, though arguably his best musical days were over a decade ago.
So Phil's ex-wife who happened to be a band with him back in the stone ages, has an axe to grind and now wants to talk ish about Phil as a "bandmate"? Couldn't care less. Gabriel had issues with everybody in Genesis(not just Collins), before he started chumming around with W. Friedkin during the most critical parts of the "Lamb" sessions/live shows. Then he left the band in a fit of pique. Tony Banks had known Gabriel since attending Charterhouse School together so I would guess his "issues" with Gabriels later disappointing antics with Genesis were to a person, a much bigger issue. Chester Thompson was a great live drummer for Genesis but he did have issues with being late and other musical disagreements with Banks/Rutherford on how to drum the live material. Bruford was recruited by Collins for the '76 tour and nobody else could have pulled it off, any complaints from Collins notwithstanding. Could've fooled me that Stuermer had issues with Phil, seeing as how he played with him for many more hours in Phil's solo projects much like Chester, than he(they) ever did with Genesis. Hackett's prognostications about him and Phil working together post-Genesis, were mostly wrong. He should feel very lucky and privileged that Phil et al greenlit the licensing(with pennies on the dollar fees btw) of Genesis's 1970's catalogue, so Hackett could inanely go on to mostly butcher and stumble though those songs with noticeably less skill and inspiration with his "Musical Box" band. Which was never anything more than a C-grade 1970's Genesis cover band. Jimmy Page was great in his day but his snub of Collins is meaningless. It was his bad, egocentric idea to even try to reform Zeppelin at LiveAid. And realistically no drummer other than Cozy Powell, Denny Carmassi or one of the Appice's, would have worked to cover such a breadth of difficult material on such a breakneck, woefully short rehearsal schedule. Jason Bonham was still too young at that time and tbh, is not at that level of skill/nuance as a rock drummer and still isn't today. Bottom line is~ Anyone who knows Genesis knows that Tony Banks was always the quiet taskmaster and joyless workaholic compared to Collins, Rutherford or anyone else. Phil until the mid-80's and his first failed marriage to Bertorelli, was always known as the light, jovial and disconnected member of Genesis. And without Phil's capital infusions from his solo career(which also enabled Genesis to access certain studio/stage trickery like the Veri-Lite system and superior sound systems), Genesis in the 80's would not have had as much visibility as they did. Phil's always been an easy target and certainly may have had some transgressions in his young, middle-aged and older life. But no sane and educated person can ever say he's not the complete professional in many instruments/genres and pioneered techniques in production/promotion/marketing that changed pop/all music forever.
Great Phil/Genesis knowledge. Like you said Phil's always been an easy target for haters and ignorant critics. Now that sadly he may be enjoying his final years after all the years of depression and alcoholism have caught up to him, he's finally getting his due. Phil's easily the most influential pop musician since McCartney. Possibly more so, imo and I'm 72.
That joyless workaholic was arguably the best songwriter in the prog genre and along with Rutherford gave Phil the break that eventually propelled him to superstardom by bringing him out front as the singer.
@@mikew5858 No argument and of course no negative implications intended on Tony's part. Every band needs a primary and reliable sonic motor/impetus of creativity and for Genesis, Tony was it. Although I would amend that to say in writers like Bacharach, Toussaint and Gershwin, Tony finds peers in that multi-genre of mega-prolific creators, not just prog. He just happened to do it in the postmodern era of organized mass media, with a lot less credit.
Apparently all of you pop armchair professors emeritus either never heard, or heard of Brand X. Phil had a whole other additional genre [fusion] career you Top 40 wankers never bothered to support. Much of his best, most jaw-dropping playing can be found on their studio & live LPs.
Wow, what a complete misreading of this clip! The title of the clip only says his former band mates have "a lot to say about him", *not* that it was necessarily bad, and indeed only three of the people quoted here--his ex-wife, Chester Thompson, and Jimmy Page--had anything bad to say. Everyone else had nothing but praise in their quotes for Collins but for some strange reason you thought they were trashing him and so decided to needlessly trash them all in return. Hackett's solo band does *breathtaking* work recreating the magic of 70s Genesis (and his own superb solo work is the only by any member that's in the old prog style, leaving him the ONLY one carrying the torch for that hallowed era), and Jason Bonham did as good a job as I could have imagined filling in for his dad's shoes at the 2007 O2 LZ show--to even critique either the way you did is pretty sickening. And there were a lot of issues between Peter and the band in 1974/5, not all of them Gabriel's fault like you're making. He had a baby that was hospitalized in ICU and none of the band members gave him an ounce of sympathy, they even admit to that. Stuermer *didn't* have issues with Phil, he nothing but good things to say and Tony had nothing but good things to say about Collins as well so to trash him as a "joyless workaholic" (you wanna talk about who was the workaholic in the band?!?) is just totally pointless and unnecessary. But you know what? *I'LL* trash Phil right now--sure, he's one of the greatest drummers in rock history (at least, between 1970-80) and his first solo album was cool, but everything after that was putrid AC crap. There's a reason he's one of the most critically reviled solo artists in history and that's because his music is pure cheesy pap and top it all off, he couldn't say no to a single chance to promote his work in the late 80s and early 90s, leading to insane levels of oversaturation that made people sick of him on sight. And I note how you trash his ex-wife yet can't refute her claim that she only divorced him because HE had an affair. Hardly the way he told the story in his autobiography, which makes him a liar. I'll take Hackett's and Gabriel's solo careers a thousand times over Collins, both of those men have actual artistic integrity. Now go ahead, say your worst toward me--you're obviously good at dishing out insults, which seems to be the only thing you live for.
At the time of this posting, all former members of Genesis are still alive.
John Mayhew RIP
Phil is a nice guy, he has time for his fans and his friends
Brand X Unorthodox Behavior one of my favorite records .
Two things. Genesis and Phil Collins music is very, very complex. Great artists make complex music. Regarding him being demanding, same is said about Jon Anderson. But both bands were better for it. Love everything Collins did, though did not enjoy Genesis changing to pop at the time.
I’ve met a lot of people who met Phil and the definitely had opinions. However, I have yet to hear of him being nasty or and outright a-hole. He’s just driven and will never tire of listening to his music or watching him drum.
Led Zeppelin at Live Aid was a desaster. Robert Plant had ovrstrained his voice the day before and was hoarse. Collins didn't know the songs and played "air drums" for a lot of the time. The other drummer, Tony Thompson, tried to outshine Collins, because he apparently was speculating on getting John Bonham's old job in a possible fulltime Zeppelin reunion (that never happened). But for Jimmy Page to repeatedly try and blame Collins for _everything_ that went wrong that day? That's a good one! Page himself was so messed up on heroin and booze that he was nearly catatonic and visibly drooled on himself backstage. He probably played the worst of everybody on stage. One of the first things he did on stage was stumble around aimlessly, entangle himself, his guitar cable, his scarf, and a microphone stand - and make a complete fool of himself. He played the first song with an absolutely awful cranked phaser/flanger sound that made it impossible to tell what he was even doing. He was either so messed up, he didn't know how to use his own pedalboard anymore and turn it off - or so COMPLETELY messed up, he didn't even hear the difference. I guarantee, the only reason Page even knows he was there at all, is because he had to look at and listen to the footage later.
Great story, to me it boils down to Page having a hardon for Collins for reasons unknown. Why go public with the issue?
that is the most accurate description of that performance that I have ever heard. I think Led Zeppelin is the greatest rock band of all time. But Collins was the least to blame for that performance.
@@WintersWarThompson had rehearsed with the band for the show,Collins didn't. It was Plant's last minute demand for Collins to play. And Thompson already had the job for a reunion. They were back together in 1986 until Thompson was in a bad car accident which dissolved everything. You should know what you're talking about before you post it.
@@WintersWarSorry,this was meant for the lead comment,not you.
Actually, Phil's start in show business was as a child actor. Just found out recently he played in Oliver! as The Dodger. Love him, Love Peter and love Genesis. They are still in my personal playlists. Fell inlove with Phil when he came out with Face Value. Never get tired of In the Air Tonight but that whole album rocks jazz. And his cover of Tomorrow Never Knows is phenominal. He was true to form yet owned it and it was as perfect as The Beatles.
Yes and....He was also in the audience when the Beatles played the Ed Sullivan show in 64'
What? Why would he have been in New York when he was 14? I think you mean that he was in the film A Hard Day’s Night.
Phil's problems started way back when he was durmming and singing backup to Peter Gabriel, He always sang off to the side and that screwed up his neck and thus beganhis verterbrae problems.
It seems that drummers are always the first ones to develop some sort of physical injuries.
I heard it said that it was the physical ferocity of his drumming that was debilitating.
Early 80's working near outdoor venue in Adelaide lunchtime walks often included artists doing soundchecks. This guy sounded like his records even outside. Joe Jackson another standout.
Phil wanted the songs to sound exactly like the albums. Many fans like that, but more importantly, it is the band’s choice. Obviously that can frustrate the talented musicians who are hired to tour, but THAT IS WHY YOU ARE A TOURING MUSICIAN AND NOT PART OF THE BAND. If it bothers you, find another gig.
I’m a beginner guitarist and Daryl Stuermer is who inspired me to pick up guitar and I hope one day I’ll be great like him. He’s a monster of a player!
Wow! @ 1:00 They must have been big fans of The Sensational Alex Harvey Band! IMO, that's their best LP too! Phil is one of my fave drummers. Phil does some great fills! Fandabbydozey!
I saw Genesis at earls court approx 1978ish. The whole band and especially Phil was totally Amazing, what a singer and musician, incredible show. I saw The Who at Hammersmith Odeon which was the business fyi.
Genesis played at Ipswich Gaumont in 1980. I don't know if the tour concentrated on smaller venues but getting a band of that stature to play in Ipswich was a huge event. People queued overnight for tickets and the local truancy rate shot up! At my school all those absent when the tickets went on sale had to go to the main hall and explain themselves. You saw The Who at Hammersmith? You lucky git!
If anyone who looked like the charlie brown cartoon character..it would be phil Collins.😉
Singer. Songwriter. Drummer. Pianist. Producer. Legend.
Interesting pics have Ant Phillips those are very early photos. I think Phil is a talented artist.
Other than the Beatles Lennon and McCartney. What other band has put forth two more successful singers in Phil Collins and Peter Gabriel.
He should call Chester, he worked his ass off for him
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Yup so sad about Phil Collins tho
I Remember him telling the story about writing a cheque for a stranger who went to him for money as he was so desperate and Collins was his desperate last attempt - this person payed him back every penny. Collins comment was “That’s more than I can say for some of my friends”.
I'm surprised to hear this about Collins, always thought that Banks was the difficult one in the band
I heard the next video here is: Phil Collins' great musicianship; people have a lot to say about him...
darryle & bruford's jazz tendencies where not doing it by the book mattered. odd that phil was so roughshod given his work with brand x.
I heard a tale which could be true that after releasing “Another Day In Paradise” then buying land in Scotland as a tax dodge and evicting some people who stayed on his land he walked into the local inn, the only one for miles around and the barman said to him “your barred”, “ don’t you know who I am?” replied Collins, “aye, get ut, your barred”.
I don't think Phil Collins ever owned land in Scotland.
@@vinvanveen he did, it was in the papers that he evicted tenants.
Phil and Peter have always been mates. Anyone who says otherwise is simply talking cobblers. Phil worked on PG's 1980 3rd album and collectively they discovered what became known as "gated reverb" which was subsequently used throughout the 80's on a lot of music. I like a lot of Phil Collins music, but there is some I don't like and consequently skip over. Personally, I love Face Value front to back. I can't say that about any of his other albums though.
Although i don't like his solo work (just not my cup op tea) his vocal on 'Mama' is one of the best vocal performance i know and hè was a gratis drummer. But he is one of the three only artists that sold more than 100.000.000 albums whith an band and also as a solo artist together with Paul McCartney and Michael J.
I went to a No Jacket Required concert & am thankful that I never saw another of his concerts, it would have ruined the memory!
Kind of an abrupt ending there, pal. I think this needed an outro. But thanks for all the insight into Phil. I will always associate him with the degradation of Genesis from prog rocks gods to just another band, but his solo work is incredible and nobody can dispute his powerful songwriting talent. Plus he's a fascinating guy. Thanks for this.
Interviews with Collins say something different. He caught his first wife cheating on him with a guy who was painting their house. And the fax thing, he always insisted this was about child custody not divorce. He even let a newspaper print it. Depends who you believe, him or some UK tabloid. (who dont have the best reputation). He was demanding with musicians? See hundreds of other artists.
Played in bands on and off since I was 16 and my experience is there is always some tension between driven people and their creative impulses.
He lost so much money because of his ex wife’s 🥴 and the wrong going surgery 🥴 Now one of his ex wife wants more money for themselves and her new lover That’s not easy what’s going on with him,the money itself is not the problem I think it’s the way how they treat him All these circumstances change something in him
Kinda crappy minded of Jimmy Page being that ungrateful towards Phil on the drums geesh , Im sure Jimmy would struggle with genesis tunes a little anyway just my opinion , Phil has stood the test of time and composed some of the best music for us all !
Imagine Jimmy trying to play the outro of Dance On A Volcano with his mediocre technique, that would sound so messy I don't even wanna think about it 😂
@@patepulkkinenvtec2403 Agreed !
You don't often come across as steve Hackett once put it a group of songsmiths because the band could all write songs it's just some of them at the time didn't know it...and 15/20 years on their solo careers gave you all the answers...their story is incredible...you just couldn't make it up.....
The fact that Phil is wearing a NY Rangers jersey is proof enough that he's a great guy.
I just would not want to pay $200 a ticket to have Phil Collins seem grouchy and not be up to being fully in the show. I have complete respect for Phil and compassion for his heath issues but I don't want to go and see Phil sort of in a bad mood at the shows. I wish him well.
He can't tour any longer, he's not as active even from a few years ago. I saw him the Domino Tour, he was not grouchy al all, but he looked uncomfortable at times due to pain.
We all do and say stupid things - it's called being human!
He's a good ole boy
He was excellent in South Park.
lol I was hoping it’d be positive but I know better 😅
There is a thing I really don't understand. Maybe some of those Phil Collins bashers/haters can help me with that: PC has often been described as too commercial, selling out... all that stuff. Why aren't much more commercial artists like Michael Jackson, Paul McCartney, Madonna, Whitney Houston, Elton John, U2, Rolling Stones insulted in a similar way? Or take Taylor Swift from nowadays. They've been much more mass-appealing, while producing hit after hit for a long time. I remember PC having also released stuff, which were meant to be uncommercial like 'Both Sides', big band stuff, 'Going Back'... But no, he seems to be the most outselling, crappy-commercial of all time?! I don't get it. So, maybe you have an explanation for it. So, here is my simple question: Why is PC accused of selling out/too commercial while the other mentioned artists aren't? Thanks.
What about Brand X?
A hit piece on a legendary musician with grave health problems. Classy.
A "hit piece" where a large majority of comments is complimentary isn't a very good one, innit ?
Making an inaccurate accusation without even watching the video first. Classy.
Can’t swing Collins’ big band vanity project was a joke. Watching him trying to swing was hilarious.
Brian Setzer Orchestra bloody can though 👍
I have no idea why he reached for that, everything else he did was gold, he shouldn't have attempted that forbidden ground.
Just remember that whatever you might think about him, Phil Collins has achieved far more than the nondescript people making this video.
poor Phil....his medical condition...his ex who's still livn in his house with another guy and wipin him clean financially.......damn shame - "take a look at him now" -'84
Well that background 'music' is not irritating at all..
amazed jimmy page even remembers phil being there, given how clearly shitfaced he was for the whole show.
What goes around comes around Phil. I know! I've been there.
Nobody ever mentions Brand X ......... or the knitting pattern PC was on the cover of when he was about three !
I think Phil's bank account can do the talking.
This happens to alot of bands. For instance kiss. After break up or retirement One can assume the shit talk will start,only ruining the bands or members reputation. Which just turn me completely off to their music ,only to remove from playlist. And the play list gets smaller.