Surface Pro 8 vs M1 iPad Pro - Which is More Pro?
Microsoft's Surface Pro 8 combines the best of the Surface Pro 7 and X to make an ultimate all in one but at the same $1200 can it compete with the 12.9" M1 iPad Pro?
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In this comparison video, we compare basically everything between the new Microsoft Surface Pro 8 and the 12.9" M1 iPad Pro to see if Microsoft can dethrone Apple as the best portable computer!
We compare many things including the design, size, weight, displays, keyboards, trackpads, pen performance, CPU and GPU tests, and much more!
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Surface Pro 8 vs M1 iPad Pro - 00:00
External Design Differences & Weight - 00:26
Camera Differences & Quality - 1:43
Keyboard and Trackpad Comparison - 2:53
Face ID vs Windows Hello - 5:07
Webcam and Microphone Comparison - 5:40
Speaker Quality Comparison - 6:38
Display Comparison - 7:44
Mini LED vs LCD HDR Test - 9:03
Apple Pencil vs Surface Pen 2 - 10:12
Geekbench 5 CPU Performance Test - 11:08
Geekbench 5 Graphics Performance Test - 12:47
Unplugged vs Plugged in Performance - 13:11
iPadOS 15 vs Windows 11 - 13:37
Which device is more Pro? - 14:46
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I can't afford both of the devices lmao 🤣
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I will buy ipad pro 11 inch
@@leafourthtv why are you making me look poor bruh
I would buy the Surface pro for work and an iPad for entertainment. The truth is I will never buy either I never had that sort of money.
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I own an ipad pro (not m1), and it's a fine device, but (for me), a tablet OS will likely never replace a regular desktop OS. Even with m1 outperforming in most of these categories, the surface is the better fit for my current workflow needs.
True, apple gotta start leaning towards a desktop type os over innovating iPad os
@@hariharanbalaji2457 they won't do it. they want people to buy both ipad and macbook.
@@SW-fy8pq fair enough, but it's this that keeps me out of the Apple ecosystem.
I agree, I just got a macbook pro 14, I prefer it over the ipad pro 12.9 with keyboard. It's just more versatile and not limited with a full OS - MacOs vs ios. To bad they didn't come out with the 14 first, I would not have purchased the ipad.
If I got iPad Pro should I return for the pro 8 or keep my MacBook pro m1?
I don't care how fast Apple makes the IPad it is still a tablet (mobile ) platform while the surface is a full desktop platform. Nuff said there!
True but the surface is a piss poor tablet experience in comparison. The iPad has powerful ecosystem of specialised apps dedicated to touch and stylus interface. I have both for home and work, and whilst I like the file system on the surface pro and I like that it's a full desktop I do find myself reaching for the iPad more. It's generally faster, better for drawing, lasts much longer on battery, has a better camera which I use for scanning or recording video. It's enjoyable to watch content on. It also avoids the annoying updates in window. I could go on...s > They serve different needs. If I had to pick just one device it would be the surface as it can do more, but the iPad pro excells at more than just speed, and that's why many prefer it and it still outsells the surface. I still see the iPad as a companion device for myself, but I know people who use it as their only device and it suits their needs. Some people just want a good tablet. Apple does need to utilise the m1 chip more though...
@@makasete30 I find the iPad to be a more niche device. So people who do a lot of drawing or use CAD software for home design, Adobe mobile then the iPad is perfect. For a reg student or consumer device I would get the Samsung tablet. That's my biggest tissue with Apple though. Their devices are every specific to a particular function. Cause if you're not into video and photo editing or music what's what's the purpose of a Mac. As everyday devices they don't justify their price tag but work very well for their niche functions. I'm not sure I could ever give up a desktop platform for mobile but then again I'm a heavy desktop user
@@denziiey Windows is much better for CAD. I say this as a CAD Designer
The problem is windows touch is a joke compared to an iPad, so the surface is a far better full computer but a much crappier tablet if you remove the keyboard. For people who want just one hybrid device to do everything I think the OS needs the flexibility to switch between full desktop mode and a tablet mode. Shame that windows seem to have abandoned the tiles approach from win8 for touch, that style had potential for when u just wanna chill in bed or on the couch with a tablet
@@Shinn27 in that case I think Samsung has done a great job emulating a desktop experience on a tablet. Sadly though lazy software developers won't engineer professional apps. It's funny check this out: Ipad: excellent job as a tablet. Sucks as a desktop Surface: excellent job as a desktop. Sucks as a tablet Samsung tab: proficient at both but lack of professional apps make it more a consumer device Sorry no Winners here 🙈🙈
Ipad pro = bigger iphone + notebook Surface = a real PC with notetaking feature I have both of them and love surface more.
I agree with you. Surface is ideal for 2-in-1: a PC and a tablet
@@grom3 can you please tell me if the touch issue is fixed on the surface? is it smooth?
@@ubaidullahsayeed281 on my pro 7 touch behaves perfectly
@@ubaidullahsayeed281 Yes it is, watch Brad Colbow's review.
@@arturbibik dont lie touch is very delayed and sticky I hate it
If I was forced to only use one of these two as my only computer, I’d take the Surface Pro for the fact that it can run the few niche programs I have to use for school. However, I still love the iPad Pro more as an overall device because everything about it is just more fun to use. I just wished that “more fun” translated to more capable.
At least you’re honest about “more fun” does not always translate to more capable.
Lol
@@arisistible1 so the iPhone 13 pro max is better than than the s22 ultra
@@tifeakintan9019 Haven’t use either, couldn’t tell you which is “more fun,” or “more capable.”
the ipad screen and sound quality is insane the CPU is powerful and useless at the same the OS is super limited sounds like a huge phone
I feel like most people can’t really benefit that much from M1 in iPadOS
But for third-party developers they can.
So you suggest to go with the surface book… its better to have something and you don’t need it than to don’t have it and you need it.
@@kikoy08 no im saying ipados cant really use the full power of m1
@@kikoy08 I would still choose ipad pro over surface its just that ipados can't really use all that power
iPad is just a big, expensive and overpowered toy. It would be a nice device for everyone if not for crippling it's potential iOS. Macs are nice and with M1 would be great, but without touchscreen they are useless for me.
I like the iPad but using it like a computer is beyond frustrating, even with basic things like websites act weird on the ipad
iPadOS 15 is buggy af. Safari became very confusing and super frustrating to use. Battery drains soooooo fast. And yes, you’re right, no matter how hard I just to use it as a computer replacement, it never felt like one.
Please elaborate, weird in what way?
True iPad is mainly a consumption machine You can edit photos and videos on it. Also draw as well. So it has some uses but for the most part it’s designed for you to read, watch, and interact with what your reading and watching. Making stuff is not it.
I’ve noticed that websites just feel like they aren’t optimized or they are using old versions of websites. Some websites you have to click things twice (the KZhead website does this), and some websites don’t display the menus properly. Those are a few things I noticed
@@iloveminecraft2009 Interesting.. is this a mobile Safari issue or do other iPad browsers share the same problem??
And also to add, Thunderbolt port from Surface could be used to plug an eGPU on it and increase power. Great video!
Surface Pro 8 for the win. It can get work done AND have fun. Especially if you add an eGPU into the mix. Try playing a cross platform FPS game on the iPad vs Surface Pro 8, Surface Pro 8 will be faster/smoother everytime. Also, even iPad OS has issues while consuming. You'll visit a page and try to watch the embedded video only to get an error "This video not available on a mobile device". Surface Pro 8 be like "Enjoy your video". I stopped at the iPad 4. I was tired of the restrictions and lockdowns due to iOS and to find out that iPad OS is also locked down is just a massive disappointment after all these years. The video goes to show that all the power in the world means nothing if the OS won't let you use it. I've personally felt that the Surface Pro 3 was the iPad Killer already, but now that the Surface Pro 8 has Thunderbolt 4.....it's definitely the better TABLET (Yes, I said tablet because that's the form factor. The keyboard is detachable and not permanently fixed and the screen is touchscreen so this makes it a TABLET not a LAPTOP. People trying to save the iPad from embarrassment because it can't compete with the Surface Pro so they put the Surface Pro in with the Laptops to be like "you didn't see that..." lol) of the two and has been for a while now. Hopefully Apple can get MacOS or make iPad OS more flexible and powerful in the future instead of restricting it's users.
What eGPU do you use? I like that idea but haven't ever used an eGPU..
Good video. Agree with most of the comments. The operating system matters. A modified cellphone operating system is not adequate for a pro device. Great hardware on the iPad Pro, but it doesn't fit my workflow so I can't take advantage of it. I can drive four independent monitors with a Surface Pro. The iPad Pro just seems to me to be overkill since you have all of this power, but the same limited functionality as a regular iPad.
This a concise yet informative comment. Thanks
Would appreciate if you could share how you connected 4 monitors, I can only see it recognizing two externals for me thru the dell 300 hub - what is your set up. Thank you in advance.
I watched 15 minutes of Max Tech video (a rare occurrence) to be met with exactly what I expected. Amazing video, great for those who didn't know about the pro-app problem with iPad Pro.
A good review. Surface is a real computer where you can run all the desktop apps and programs. But iPad is just a tablet (the best one though) with its limitations. I'm writing this comment from the Surface. And I use it as 2-in-1: a tablet and a PC depending on my purposes
And in that case it’s better to get one the less expensive iPads than the pro no ? The iPad it’s an amazing tablet the best in my opinion but the iPad Pro is the worst choice of the two in one. Devices I don’t hate Microsoft or android my phone is android but the apple software is the best in my opinion due to being the easiest to use for non tech experts and the most secure against malware and viruses. With apple you don’t need an antivirus with Microsoft you do.
How do you find the pen? Have you also used an apple pencil at some point and could you compare the two? I'm torn between buying a Surface Pro 8 for university or buying the iPad Air and a laptop separately. If you had to do a large amount of maths which would you prefer? Would you ever read on your Surface?
@@sarizonana The Surface has Windows 11, not Android. It's a full computer first that can be used as a tablet experience when using the touchscreen for drawing or taking notes. The iPad is a tablet first since it uses a tablet OS rather than something like MacOS or Windows. The software is much more limited and is locked down in Apple's ecosystem. It's fine if you only use programs from the App Store and don't need a computer, but it can't replace a computer for those who use one. Also the built in anti-virus for Windows has been pretty good since Windows 10. Majority of people don't need a separate one.
@@joeyn177 ohh ok thanks for explaining how windows has improved and how the surface is a laptop first, anyway I know the surface is windows what I meant was that android with the S series has a pretty similar use to the surface. I love the iPad so much and I think if you have clear you prefer first a tablet then the iPad is the best one in tablet mode but I’d say as a two in one ( laptop tablet together) the iPad is the worst. It’s the best tablet but worst two in one. Hope that makes sense and that’s why I think the iPad Pro is not worth getting. if you are sure you want the iPad buy one of the cheaper models either the iPad 9, iPad Air or iPad mini but the iPad Pro is too pricey for just a tablet but not efficient enough for a two in one
@@Pilgrim1st I have not used the apple one before but I can give my opinions about my surface pro 8. I've been using it for a couple of weeks now as a student. I'm learning computer science, so my needs such as compilers and other software is perfect with the surface 8 pro. When I'm in school, I can use it as a pc while also using it as a tablet to take notes. Due to covid, I am most often learning from home. So I mostly use the surface as a sketch book for notes taking and writing down formulas and visual aids for my game development. I think either device is good for writing math formulas and drawing shapes. OneNote for Windows 10 is a really well made writing app from Microsoft. I can directly take a picture of what the teacher wrote or the code snippet from my desktop screen and write on top of kt. I wanted to get a second monitor, but I don't have to anymore since the surface kinda acts like one for me. I just put the surface beneath my keyboard and it just feels really good to use! I really recommend it. But only if you're okay with it being a 2 in 1. Some people prefer to have their drawing tablet and laptop separate. You can ask me questions and I'll be happy to answer
Congratulations, fantastic non biased comparison. Just two small things: the windows hello camera can also be used to buy things in the store and log in to websites. You also forgot to mention that the surface pro 8 (and the Surface Laptop Studio for that matter) will get the dynamic refresh rate as well in a future update. Great video congrats
Yeah, the refresh rate update came out yesterday. Video needs to be redone? lol
@@TriMuXx it's dynamic now??
Which one more pro?
@@AThaimomslifeinJapan Depends on what kind of pro you are, for illustration and graphic design, the iPad might be better (surface isn't bad though), but for something like coding or office work, the Surface would be better.
Also the i7 version has 19,650 compute results which is ~+- the same as ipad. And no, fans didnt even kick in.
Keep in mind that the GPU's on the Surface Pro 8's have a difference of 20% for the i7.
And the fact that you can attach external GPU as well as an i9 flavor (if available). Can the iPad have an external GPU?
Most people will have a better experience with the iPad. That being said, as a software developer, I would choose the Surface over the iPad as my main machine any day of the week because I simply CANNOT compile code or use any of my favorite development tools on the iPad. Granted, I probably wouldn’t choose the Surface as my main machine given all the options I have that are much better.
What are those better options over surface ? I'm just looking for a cheap detachable laptops. As of now I know surface pro and lenovo x12 & yoga 7i.
May I ask what are the other better options than SP8 , while having a touch screen is a must
@@Gopinathk17 Eve V from what I’ve heard is a contender, but no idea really on the pricing & specs. I’m not in the market for one.
Same, the all-in-ones out today just are not good enough to be the only machine. It’s still better to have dedicated stuff for different things, thankfully the difference is getting smaller for my work. Maybe some year in the future..
The surface pro 8 is currently the best 2-in-1 in the market in my opinion.
just a curiosity..did you enable Enhance Sound on Surface? i know from an older surface thatbis a big difference....but lets be honest....apple speakers are great in most of their gadgets
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Strongly agree with your conclusion. I honestly would probably buy an iPad Pro 9" if it had a Desktop OS. iPad OS is simply not sufficient for such a powerful tablet.
This is further more annoying how there’s no code difference anymore. MacOS apps are all native now to the Silicon chips and they can run natively on iPad Pro but apple refuses this to be allowed. Which is a huge bummer
@@brokenhero6828 Yep, and thus I still use Windows 11 for my personal machine. Thx Apple. You miss the revenue
@@LuKiSCraft I just bought a surface pro for dirt cheap for tablet usage! And light web browsing on the go
I'm going for the surface. It's cheaper, longer updates(cuz it's just windows), bigger screen and most importantly it's not just a scaled up iphone but a fully fledged computer/pc Edit: Got the surface Pro 8 for some time now and I love it!
Hey, are you still happy with the surface? I would like to buy one too, but I m not sure about the battery life. How is your experience and how long does it last in your usecase?
@@niclas7171 my usecase is rather limited right now to basically only writing in OneNote(which Microsoft has to fix some things in) but I have only had it run below 30% yesterday after writing on it all day(on 60hz though). Sorry for the lack of information but I just haven't used it in a lot of different ways yet(I'm right in the middle of my finals so it does the note taking)
@@julian5857 That's completely fine, thanks. I am a student (from germany, so sorry for my english) too. Taking Notes would also be the main task, I would do with the Pro 8. Sorry for asking, but how many hours did you take notes yesterday?
@@niclas7171 I'll test it out tomorrow
@@niclas7171 alright so it reports around 7 hours of screen on time. So depending on what you do in between, 7-8 is realistic(if you use it at 60hz). Other programs might use more or less power but I'd consider it pretty good for university/school purposes especially with the fast charge times
People can buy Surface 8 Pro for one reason and that is the one and only,the legendary 3.5mm HEADPHONE JACK!
@@Khaja_966 Yes,I agree.
Lol
@@Khaja_966 full desktop apps is a meaningless term. Certain apps that aren’t on iPadOS is a better description
or the fact that it has a REAL desktop OS and not just ios with different size
Boycott Microsoft 🙄
I enjoyed you video! The iPad Pro seems like a great device...but I definitively could not use one for my day-to-day use. One thing you could have touched on is that you can buy an external GPU and connect it to the Surface Pro to increase your graphical capacity. Also, the new Surface Pen's haptic feedback is amazing.
I think that the Surface is better from its price point, accessory price, ports, pen, upgradable SSD, and the simple fact that it uses x86 and runs Windows.
Same story with iPad. Great hardware. We should have the option to run MacOS native apps. Until then, it's a great tablet held back by lack of desktop level apps and a terrible file system
Desktop level apps is a meaningless term. And the file systems is the same.
@@chidorirasenganz It's not meaningless. Without OS hardware is useless
@@travelhustle747 I never said the OS didn’t matter. I said “Desktop app” is a meaningless term. Nothing more than a buzz phrase. There’s pro apps native to every platform. Hence the phrase has no meaning
Really helpful tips and amazing comparison,,thanks
watched 15 minutes of Max Tech video (a rare occurrence) to be met with exactly what I expected. Amazing video, great for those who didn't know about the pro-app problem with iPad Pro....
I have owned both devices. The iPad Pro will always be a productivity device and nothing more. Apple severely hampers the OS. The last time I used the device, I was limited to extending the screen and not having a secondary screen to extend. The Surface Pro does exactly the same as the iPad Pro, but you can actually have an active, full fledged OS. The reviewer admitted the iPad Pro is locked down and less useful, but picked the device in their review. The review was done looking at a holistic approach to automation, but on their belief on hardware.
Thanks for the candid review. It really outlines the dilemma in choosing a tablet. I want the functionality of the Surface Pro with the capability of the iPad Pro. I am in the apple eco-system however I have been giving lots of thought to jumping ship for the the Surface pro 8 for laptop portability. I really wish Apple would eliminate the MacBook Air and make the iPad Pro a fully capable computer like the Surface. This would be a game changer.
What about iPadOS 16 with stage manager right now?
That will not happen. Apple wants customers to buy two devices. Customers' convenience is not its consideration.
I bought the iPad pro 12.9 inch because I needed an exceptional tablet experience. I tried multiple tablets ( windows, Android, apple) and I have to admit I keep coming back to the iPad. I write a lot of notes and annotate articles and PowerPoint presentations every week for school so the iPad pro allows me to fully enjoy doing so. The other reason is that I have an exceptional PC laptop which runs all my statistical and analytical software which I have had since 2018 with the I7 -16gb ram configuration which is ultra portable and will be used until it decides to literally die on me. These two devices are my life and I use them everyday for different purposes. As a side note I did buy the zugu case for my ipad which I would absolutely recommend to everyone because with it I never have to worry about the protection of my ipad and my apple pencil unhinging itself. Those are my thoughts and reasons as to why I chose to purchase the iPad pro, however to answer the first part of the original question posed, the real pro device would be the surface pro 8 😊 Also to help support the premise that I'm not biased, I have a Windows PC laptop, Apple iPad Pro, and an Android phone and I wouldn't have it any other way 😉
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5:40 Incorrect. If you're using the Edge browser, you can input your credit card info for payment. You can also use your face for payment in the windows store. It's not as integrated as the iPad, but they can do the same thing, way back since the Pro 4 in 2015.
Salty. Apple is just better. They invented online payments.
@@510marlon apple invented online payments? not sure if you're trolling lmao
@@Stryker123321 lol. Of course I am.
@@510marlon oh i see lol
but its not as secure as face id when it’s just visual authentication, it can be fooled much easier. i’d personally be scared to put my credit cards on that, whereas with face id i’m not worried
What are the charging specs for the iPad Pro vs the Surface? That is, what are the minimum and maximum wattages required to charge each of these devices? Can you use an external power bank and if so what are the minimum wattages required for the power bank? Does a power bank exist that will charge each or either of these devices? Thanks for the great videos!
Thanks for the video! It's really helpfull for people choosing these macbooks!
I know this wont be a good comparison but, the price for iPad Pro 12.9 maxed out specs including the keyboard + pen is almost the same with Microsoft laptop studio. Which I would choose it over ipad pro. Unless I would buy the base ipad pro.
Well, I do have an iPad M1 (which is nothing different from the 2018 pro model) and a Surface. In the end of the day, among several differences, even the M1 looking a little better, with the Surface I can replace my laptop, which is not the case with the iPad; and the killing thing for me is that I can use my 49” external display in full with the Surface, when with the iPad is a shame.🤷🏻♂️
i love watching my movies and content and would love HDR on the surface . can there be an update for that or is that just how the hardware is
Thanks for good review I am using surface pro 8 and very satisfied with its design, and slim pen-capability which is very easy to draw and write down sth.
M1 iPad Pro is held by the its OS.
A crippled OS in an outstanding hardware.
And yet Windows is crap.. It'll run with all its laggy glory
Yes, surface pro is a real pro cause it runs a full fledged WINDOWS OS... We can do everything on windows.. On top of that, now Windows 11 supports android apps too 😍😍
@@shankhanilsarkar2161 who cares... Windows is bloated junk
@@thewonderofyou1 Ok, maybe that's why 75% of people across whole world are using windows.. (compared to that, 16% mac and iPad OS is nowhere) 😜
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Which of these devices would be better for digital art? I’ve heard good things about both but I’m undecided. Keep in mind as well that I currently have a powerful MSI laptop so for me the thing I’m looking for is doing digital art with the pen on the devices screen. Which would potentially give me that better experience?
Digital art for iPad imo. Better battery life is huge plus and Procreate costs only 10 dollars in comparison to Photoshop subscription. I personally would get an iPad but i am also a programmer and hence i get the Surface.
The iPad is “all dressed-up, with nowhere to go.” But it’s an excellent - if not expensive - “consumption device.”
@@GodisGracious1031Ministries get a Mac.. It'll best both
@@GodisGracious1031Ministries Is there anything you would want to do at school which would be possible on a Surface but not on an iPad?
@@Tom_Stevens617 desktop apps
@@Tom_Stevens617 better multitasking, desktop class apps, better file management, full desktop OS, egpu support, wayy better games (xbox gamepass), is actually a laptop and a tablet, not a try hard laptop
@@Stryker123321 Unless you join a specific stream, you don't really need any of that for regular school stuff.
You missed the most important point when comparing them, surface has a windows while ipad has a smartphone ios, so ipad can not be a pro by any means
Excellent comparison Thanks
I am using Linux Desktop primarily for programming, while also have been testing macOS in VM, enjoying watching KZhead videos about M1 MacBooks and I would love to get my hands on Macbook 14 :), Unix, Optimised OS, Boosted ARM chip, Great battery; Unrivaled Laptop for programming.
I really hope that in the coming years the iPad Pro will have a bootcamp style option that lets you use full MacOs. I would be fine with 256gb allocated to each OS or something like that... I sold my iPad Pro and got the MacBook Air (just got the MacBook Pro which I'm excited for) because I just couldn't stand not having MacOs for work.
Apple will never do that, it's would kill MacBook...
After owning a surface pro 8, and 7, along with an iPad pro 2020, I can confidently say that the Apple Pencil with optimizations with iPad OS makes me feel like drawing on procreate is just 900x better, with no latency. No surface device has no latency on normal pro level artist apps. I wouldn't feel bad about staying with surface if you've already got used to those desktop apps tho. Just go with the 8, and the slim pen 2. (I returned mine due to price,) but keep in mind activation rate of the pens are high and make drawing a nightmare sometime.
I have both and I will continue to use both. I was unable to pick just one.
Honestly for me it comes down to software and comparability with apps that are used in a office space. Word, excel, and ppt the full version that are needed sometimes for college courses make the surface pro 8 the better options again for ME. I the iPad is amazing for what it is but it too expensive for too little.
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What about the sensibility of the pens?
Which one is perfect for a digital illustrator? I'm planning to do more vector works.
Visit Brad Colblow's KZhead channel. He's a digital artist who has reviewed both devices.
@@AgentZeroNine1 Thank you. Appreciate it.
I think not everyone needs iPad Pro as a laptop replacement. It just needs to be the best in tablet stuff which it is.
Exactly. People just don’t get the iPad, no matter why they name it, is still a Tablet. I own a MacBook Pro, and the M1 iPad and neither can replace the other. I also still have the surface book 2. None of the 3 fully replaces the other.
Surface pro is better at being both tablet and laptop. since Apple tried to do the same to iPad that is where the iPad laptop replacement started.
@@fancy3774 trust me you dont have a touch screan foldable windows device if you say that, I had an ipad and it's a waay better tablet than a windows "tablet" more optimized apps mobile apps ipados is faster and has better apps
@@fancy3774 I'm sorry but surface pro is completely ass at being a tablet please never say that again its literally a windows computer nothing else it's almost impossible to completely use it as an ipad that's why I never use it as an ipad
What brings me the performance of the iPad pro when I can't use it. In my opinion the surface pro 8 is a better choice because of the pro level software on it and you can do much more professional worklflow. But if the iPad would have MacOS, I would definitely go with it.
I’m a full stack web developer, switched from max to iPad Pro 12.9. There isn’t a single thing I can’t do with my iPad that I could do with my Mac. Did I have to switch up my workflow a bit? Surer, for example there is no VSCode on the iPad but I found IDEs that I actually like more on the App Store. And with my Remote Desktop app I can use windows, Linux, or macOS anytime I want and I haven’t noticed any lag. iPad is definitely the way to go because M1, battery life, Apple Pencil, but really the most important reason : the default OS isn’t windows.
@@HeyItsHades I just want the Windows experience and for most of us out there it has more features then the iPad.
@@user-nq5wd6oj5u I hate Windows... It's crap
The iPad appeals to more people with its simplistic and user-friendly UI though.
@@Tom_Stevens617 yeah instead of laggy, bloated, slow Windows...
i will be getting the Surface Pro 8 because it's a full windows computer, with 2 thunderbolt 4 ports which i can plug in a monitor, an egpu for better graphics, i can run linux via wsl on windows 11 also android app support is coming to windows 11 as well as adaptive refresh rate is coming to save on battery life
How does the Samsung Tab7+ compare to the Ipad for 4K video editing? How will the Samsung Tab 8 compare to Ipad for Video Editing? and watching 4K digital content Off-LINE ? 4. I was leaning towards waiting for a OLED ASUS 13.3 Tablet.. but that is running "Windows software" NOT "android" so again no "Movies anywhere" & the 13.3 will not handle Video editing?
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Great device, but I'd wait until the 12th Gen Intel mobile processors to upgrade my 5-year-old Surface Pro 4 that's used totally as a tablet since I lost the typecover. Based on the current performance tests, the CPUs on Surface Pro 9 models could come a huge step closer towards M1, with all of its juice used in full and significantly longer battery time.
True, I also use my SP4 since it came out, and I can't believe that it is THAT old. I bought the top of the notch one at the time, and it still runs stuff with no problems. I would suggest buying a keyboard. I have done the same, so now I have two. And I replaced the battery for it, so it's like new again. That's why I'm still hesitant on upgrading :D literally no need to do it.
From what I've already heard about 2022 improvements and seen, 2023 will be the year for non apple users to upgrade.
Nevermind, asus just dropped their Z13. Just noticed it, definitely an upgrade.
Can you take notes on the surface pro 8 or the pro X?
I bought M1 ipad 2021 and used it for 1 year for study purposes however after using it day after day I started to realize its jut a big note for study with a huge limitation to use it in other purposes so i sold it last month and bought surface pro 8 and guess what i loved my new surface pro especially when i tried the new WSA from Microsoft which give me option to download all Android apps actually my advise to anyone who looking for studying working and entertainment machine go for surface One last thing i used a lot of Apple devices and after while i find huge limitations in software Thanks to all people here who encouraged me to buy surface
I don't think its very fair to compare Surfaces to iPads; -One is running a desktop OS with keyboard/mouse while the other is running a mobile OS (mobile OSs tend to be more locked down compared to desktop OS) -The other is x86-based, and the iPad is ARM-based. -Even though Apple intends their iPads to compete with the Surfaces, I highly doubt that. The fairest comparison would be Samsung Galaxy Tabs, as that's only the actual iPad competitor. That's like comparing an AMD Epyc-powered workstation to the M1X MacBook Pro.
But we need comparisons like this for people unsure which to buy
Also, Apple chose to handicap the iPad Pro. Perhaps this Surface Pro will put some pressure on Apple marketing people to allow the engineers to work properly.
This is exactly what I need I have both on my desk right now seeing what works for me So thanks so much
It's a quite fair comparison tbh, both are high-performance "pro" level tablets people use for portable productivity on a tablet form-factor which is more compact than a laptop. Galaxy tab S would be a considerable competitor only if its specifications could come close to M1 and if it had more pro-level apps.
@@ApexAshan Why on earth would anyone rational human being get an iPad when a SP can do the same things AND more. There is a reason iPads unit sales have plummeted from 73 million in 2013 to 40 million in 2019...
I got both Use the surface for work and all productivity and the iPad pretty much a a brick to watch KZhead If they had Mac OS on iPad it would be incredible iPad os is useless
Useless? iPadOS is literally the best software you can find in any tablet.
@@Tom_Stevens617 u said it right there Tablet, if MacOS was on this ipad, the comparison would be more apples to apples. Laptop replacement with tablet features on real programs vs IOS apps
Not eveyone pic ipad to do things u cannot, its not ipad's fault to be not tallented in writing, drawing, photo or video editing or using a pen, right? Plus surface is a nightmare if u use it as your main computer due to its buggy software and poor performance, despite its ok batterylife. iPad pro provides tablet capabilities and experiences that a laptop cannot achieve, along side with more additional laptop features, which cannot be fullfilled with a touchscreen windows pc. If what im all hyped about 2 in 1 is a touch screen pc, why surface? Why even bother getting an additional touch screen pc?
@@pauL3gend Not eveyone pic ipad to do things u cannot, its not ipad's fault to be not tallented in writing, drawing, photo or video editing or using a pen, right? Plus surface is a nightmare if u use it as your main computer due to its buggy software and poor performance, despite its ok batterylife. iPad pro provides tablet capabilities and experiences that a laptop cannot achieve, along side with more additional laptop features, which cannot be fullfilled with a touchscreen windows pc. If what im all hyped about 2 in 1 is a touch screen pc, why surface? Why even bother getting an additional touch screen pc?
Ok... I'll give you 100 bucks for it then.....money is more useful than a brick, I would say.
If I got iPad Pro should I return for the pro 8 or keep my MacBook pro m1?
Thank goodness I watched this, I have the surface pro 8 with all the bits and bobs including a separate hub for all HDMI projectors, USB and card slot. You did forget to mention the extra USB port in the charger I love that feature! overall I did only get this as it has windows 11. I did a price comparison and the surface came in at $2100 AUD with all the extras apple was $2700 AUD with similar adaptors! I figured I have the iPhone for the camera and other features the Ipad pro has, so the surface won for me hands down.
two devices with two different operating system, I think they are both good for different group of person. Lots of work could be done on Windows; however, I love how smooth Mac/iPad OS it is.
If only the ipad could run MacOS with some kind of dual boot… An ipad can only be considered “pro” for artists. For every other profession windows/mac will work better. I’d still get a M1 Air or a full desktop windows PC over both of those tablets.
Is that the black/graphite type cover variant for the Surface Pro 8?
Pls guys what series of apple watch is he wearing in the presentation? Is it stainless steel also? Thanks guys
Ironically, Windows is both the greatest attraction and the greatest downside of the Surface Pro 8. I like Windows' ability to run any app, but I don't want it constantly questioning my decision with all its Edge, Bing, Office, etc BS.
I hope, in the future, to see iPad with all its varieties with dual center-stage front facing cameras: one vertical and the other horizontal to make life easier on any position suits the user.
Yeah 20 years in the future.
seems yes, "unfortunately"!
How mano battery duration have surface pro 8 real??? Because my real charge gone not much 5 hours with minimum system requirement
5116 - plugged in. Nice to see it did as well unplugged. Good job testing that.
Different devices, the keyboard is a necessity with the surface and a luxury with the iPad, the surface is a laptop pretending to be a tablet and the iPad is a tablet that pretends to be a laptop - that is all you need in the review
Except the iPad isn't pretending to be a laptop that is just a fantasy that tech reviewers have about the iPad, it's a tablet and nothing but a tablet which though, has enough computing ability for the needs for the average user who do not need to use any 'niche' software.
This comparison is like Apples vs Oranges. Sure, you added great points for the iPad but you forgot the key difference between the two. iPad is still running a mobile operating system, and Surface is on Desktop mode. You can't overlook this when making a fair comparison. Again it for the users to decide what they want. You saw iPad as winner, but I see Surface as a winner. Really it's a matter of people's needs.
He literally finished the video saying exactly what you're saying 😂
@@davidmorazasanchez6063 yep
@@davidmorazasanchez6063 yep
excelente video! Gracias!
This is not good looking but in terms of performance this a beast. Very detailed and comprehensive comparison, keep doing good work
wiat theres 2 of you guys, i always thought that you were 1 and the same guy lmao,
Better hardware: M1 iPad Pro. Better software: Microsoft Surface Pro.
Does anyone know how the surface pro works with a photography work flow? Does it have an SD card port?
Funny comparison, I connected to my Surface two Displays, I am running Visual Studio 2019, Cubase 11, Sound cards , make a very professional recordings, MS Office, All Adobe applications. Zoom, OBS Studio..................................? Can you do all of those with iPad?
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The headphone jack is kind of important I can't even knock that depending on the content you do.
The Ipad should get a zoom camera, like 3x, so it would be perfect for Students, taking photos from the board in best quality.
Lol facts
Why can't you use iPhone to take photos?
Is there a Surface Go 3 vs iPad 9th gen video coming soon?
Center stage is underrated Very fun and useful!
obviously it is the surface pro. it has an operating system that allows you to use its capabilities.
Can I do everything on this that I could do on a normal laptop?
How MS Surface pro 8 perform for editing photos in photoshop
No one can beat up the pro…the legendary iPad pro
@Patrick and you need to be foolish to buy an iPad pro
@@evansenudinisu4521 blind hater
lol it runs ios while the surface runs a full desktop system.
@Patrick doesn't change the fact that the surface pro beats the ipad in being a real laptop lmao
@Patrick maybe if Apple has a touch capable mac OS device i'd consider it.
I got a surface pro from work and I was converted that it us the best allround offfice device I have used. Battery life great, performance speed great, ease of moving around great and my biggest surprise, I really loved the keyboard. Sometimes it feels a bit floppy when standing it up but a solid 9 out of 10
Always depends on what the customer is looking for. On one hand you have the Surface Pro 8, which is really a small ultraportable PC. The emphasis here being on PC as in full Windows. Works best with keyboard attached. On the other hand you have the iPad Pro which is a tablet, with an emphasis on tablet optimized apps. A device that can compliment your work. It is not a Mac replacement. In the end it would make much more sense to compare the Surface Pro to the MacBook Air seing that Microsoft does not offer a pure tablet experience. One thing not covered in this particular video is battery life. How do the two stack up against each other when exporting photos or videos or scrolling through web pages all day long.
I own both and as great as the M1 iPad Pro is, I still need to have an actual computer for computer work. Now, for tablet type work ie media consumption, checking email, social media, I prefer the iPad Pro, easily. The SP8 in tablet model is inferior to the iPad Pro. I love them both for what they are good at. IF I had to have ONE device between these two, the SP8 wins only bc it's a full blown computer.
The surface runs a full operating system. The ipad runs a toddler operating system, you cannot install a complete program, it does not even get close to the utility of the surface.
I think the Surface is the pro device. Soon to come ability for Android app’s will level the playing field. It felt more like you were bashing on the Surface than comparing. Speed is not everything. Windows still allows programs to run, has better file management and more useful for business use.
I actually have an ipad mini, do you recommend me to go for an ipad pro or surface pro 8? Thanks
surface pro 8. ipad mini is powerful enough for what you might want to use it for, and more. get the surface pro 8 for other more versatile usages or the macbook air if you prefer the apple eco system
Surface Pro 8 good for 4K video editing ?
Having owned a previous version of the surface pro, I was hoping Microsoft would make improvements to the battery life. 4-6 Hours on typical usage case? That's extremely disappointing and probably the major deal breaker for this type of product. Sure the Ipad is limited to software, but the Surface Pro is more so hardware by Intel. Only when Microsoft learns to drop Intel in favor of Arm or AMD will the Surface Pro line be worth looking at. For context, my 2017 SP was also rated at this 4-5 hours screen on time but with a dual core i7. It ran hot, battery degraded significantly, and simple tasks would pushed cpu usage to 100% (2 core,4threads,8gb ram).
Idk how this dude tested the batt life, but on other reviews they last around 8 and half hours on 60hz while web browsing/watching videos and 7 and a half on 120 hz
Again, say it with me, AN IPAD IS NOT A LAPTOP. It will never be A LAPTOP. Comparing an iPad with a Surface (which IS a laptop) is just wrong. Using Windows with only touch input (not with pen and keyboard), which you didn't test, is horrible. Using an iPad with only touch input (not with pen and keyboard) is 1000x better. And yes, I've owned (and sold) the previous Surface Pro and I upgraded to an iPad Pro 11" with M1. Because it's the best tablet.
I agree. iPad is the best tablet but that's it.
Yh I agree to and apple knows it too tbh they never been a company to make unnecessary products and if the iPad could do it all they wouldn’t bother making the MacBook however if you could go between Mac OS and iPad OS it would be even better than the surface pro
The best thing about my 12.9 iPad Pro is that it’s the best tablet, in every way. But its also an amazing laptop. All these other companies are trying to turn laptops into tablets which just sucks because the OS isn’t designed properly for when you want to only use touch. However, apples approach of turning a tablet into a laptop makes much more sense. Touch interface first works with a mouse and keyboard but mouse and keyboard first doesn’t work with touch. As I said in another comment. I’m a full stack web developer and I switched away from Mac to my iPad Pro. I love it. There isn’t a single thing I can’t do with and when I’m planning stuff out it’s so nice to just pull it off the keyboard and write notes with the pencil and not feel like I’m losing functionality. Further, I have a Remote Desktop app that allows me to run windows, Linux, macOS, and remote into servers. There is literally zero lag even over cellular when I use this. It actually feels like I’m just using regular macOS, linux, or windows. Apple would have to come out with some truly industry destroying tech for me to ever go back to a laptop. Although I am looking at maybe getting the Mac mini m1X that supposed to come out in a week or so for a desktop setup as the one complaint I have about the iPad is that when plugged into a monitor it only mirrors the screen.
Thank God someone realistic
the surface isn’t sold as only a laptop. it’s also sold as a tablet. so whatever that point you were trying to make was is totally pointless.
So, the i5 vs the M1 Pro..Why not the i7 or i9 (not sure if they exist for the Surface 8. Also, mobile OS vs full OS) Can the iPad run MacOS?
Unbiased review 👏👏