Did God Create Time? | Episode 207 | Closer To Truth
God and Time are two huge mysteries; relating them probes the nature of God, and perhaps even the existence of a Creator. If God is in Time and experiences its passage, then how could God have created Time? Also Leibniz's famous question: "Why didn't God create the world sooner?" Featuring interviews with Brian Leftow, John Polkinghorne, Ernan McMullin, William Craig, Varadaraja Raman, and Robert Russell.
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Love this series. Best channel on KZhead (subscribed before 100k subs). Love that you guys talk to theologian, physicists, mathematicians, philosophers, etc. Makes the show a joy to watch. Keep up the good work!
Oh wow 300k subs now? I swear a year ago when I subbed it was tiny. I found that so odd given the production quality.
I would like to know if Jesus was a Turner?
You ask all those questions that come in the mind of every pondering soul. I am glad to find this channel.
When we ask questions about time, it feels like the ancient Greeks asking about the sun.
One thing I learned from listening to all of these knowledgeable gentlemen..... We don't have a clue.
This channel is an INTP's dream. So many interesting conversations, and I don't even have to talk!
Agree.
You say it best when you say nothing at all.
Totally agree, the answers they give and how they elaborate on the answer keeps it very interesting to keep listening.
Me as well BX
Soooo tru I agree
Your overcoat in the intro absolutely rocks! Love the content. Thank you.
I like this a lot and I feel like there is still a lot more to be discussed in this topic.
Time, poetically depicted as a relentless thief, scientifically explained as the fourth dimension, and practically seen as a valuable and limited resource, is one of the biggest riddles of the universe. The truth is, our decisions and actions define whether it is our enemy or ally. Taking control of our time means living our own life - not someone else’s - and getting the most out of it.
Slow clapping
sounds like a well being seminar.
Except that objectively speaking, however well you live has absolutely no effect on time. Living well exerts absolutely no control over time whatsoever. Living well simply means that you exerted very good and wise control over your own body, emotions and choices. It doesn’t express anything like control of time. Living well can also be very subjective. One person living well might easily enslave another as part of their effort to “live well.” Another person living well could easily shoot you in the head and end your life before you reach say 25. Even the act of “killing” is objectively and technically not the same as “taking your time away”. Even though it has that same very effect. This is because the killer did not in truth control time. He just controlled his own actions. Power over time would literally have to be going back into the past or forward into the future.
@@T.S2036 you are not speaking objectively, you are giving an opinion.
@@cosmikrelic4815 Ummmm………..no. repeating facts is not the same as expressing an opinion. There is something called truth. Objective truth at that. You not agreeing or accepting a truth does not turn the same truth into an opinion. It just reveals your inability (it’s usually an unwillingness rather than an inability)to comprehend said truth.
This is one of the most mind blowing videos on KZhead. 🤯 This is a masterpiece. Bravo!👏
So wonderful, really enchanting to an epic degree for me! Thank you so much!
We have boundaries to what we can think and imagine. So God is exactly different from anything we can imagine.
Robert , your piano is larger than the room in which I live ! But I'm not jealous , what a wonderful show Closer to Truth is !! You deserve every success !!
But our souls are timeless😇🙏
How so. Can you show this?
Hummmm
William Lane Craig is always hilarious.
@@Hhjhfu247 Well you're easily pleased.
Why?
@@Menotyou20245 can't speak for anyone but me but as far as I'm concerned he always seems to simply be making things up. Just positing attributes of his god that he would prefer to be true and he sounds so utterly confident in his statements which are based on not much more than arm chair thinking. Maybe that's what he meant by funny.
I try to take his arguments seriously because they seem to be so pervasive. But he strikes me as a very arrogant individual that enjoys to hear himself talk.
He must keep God entertained!
This is a real head-scratcher.
Its ez. Time is a consequence of space. Without space there is no time. Time is also relative to the observer. Time is observed only because of cyclical event or motion
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A segment from 'Saved by the Light of the Buddha Within'... My new understandings of what many call 'God -The Holy Spirit' - resulting from some of the extraordinary ongoing after-effects relating to my NDE... Myoho-Renge-Kyo represents the identity of what some scientists are now referring to as the unified field of consciousnesses. In other words, it’s the essence of all existence and non-existence - the ultimate creative force behind planets, stars, nebulae, people, animals, trees, fish, birds, and all phenomena, manifest or latent. All matter and intelligence are simply waves or ripples manifesting to and from this core source. Consciousness (enlightenment) is itself the actual creator of everything that exists now, ever existed in the past, or will exist in the future - right down to the minutest particles of dust - each being an individual ripple or wave. The big difference between chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo and most other conventional prayers is that instead of depending on a ‘middleman’ to connect us to our state of inner enlightenment, we’re able to do it ourselves. That’s because chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo allows us to tap directly into our enlightened state by way of this self-produced sound vibration. ‘Who or What Is God?’ If we compare the concept of God being a separate entity that is forever watching down on us, to the teachings of Nichiren, it makes more sense to me that the true omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence of what most people perceive to be God, is the fantastic state of enlightenment that exists within each of us. Some say that God is an entity that’s beyond physical matter - I think that the vast amount of information continuously being conveyed via electromagnetic waves in today’s world gives us proof of how an invisible state of God could indeed exist. For example, it’s now widely known that specific data relayed by way of electromagnetic waves has the potential to help bring about extraordinary and powerful effects - including an instant global awareness of something or a mass emotional reaction. It’s also common knowledge that these invisible waves can easily be used to detonate a bomb or to enable NASA to control the movements of a robot as far away as the Moon or Mars - none of which is possible without a receiver to decode the information that’s being transmitted. Without the receiver, the data would remain impotent. In a very similar way, we need to have our own ‘receiver’ switched on so that we can activate a clear and precise understanding of our own life, all other life and what everything else in existence is. Chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo each day helps us to achieve this because it allows us to reach the core of our enlightenment and keep it switched on. That’s because Myoho-Renge-Kyo represents the identity of what scientists now refer to as the unified field of consciousnesses. To break it down - Myoho represents the Law of manifestation and latency (Nature) and consists of two alternating states. For example, the state of Myo is where everything in life that’s not obvious to us exists - including our stored memories when we’re not thinking about them - our hidden potential and inner emotions whenever they’re dormant - our desires, our fears, our wisdom, happiness, karma - and more importantly, our enlightenment. The other state, ho, is where everything in Life exists whenever it becomes evident to us, such as when a thought pops up from within our memory - whenever we experience or express our emotions - or whenever a good or bad cause manifests as an effect from our karma. When anything becomes apparent, it merely means that it’s come out of the state of Myo (dormancy/latency) and into a state of ho (manifestation). It’s the difference between consciousness and unconsciousness, being awake or asleep, or knowing and not knowing. The second law - Renge - Ren meaning cause and ge meaning effect, governs and controls the functions of Myoho - these two laws of Myoho and Renge, not only function together simultaneously but also underlies all spiritual and physical existence. The final and third part of the tri-combination - Kyo, is the Law that allows Myoho to integrate with Renge - or vice versa. It’s the great, invisible thread of energy that fuses and connects all Life and matter - as well as the past, present and future. It’s also sometimes termed the Universal Law of Communication - perhaps it could even be compared with the string theory that many scientists now suspect exists. Just as the cells in our body, our thoughts, feelings and everything else is continually fluctuating within us - all that exists in the world around us and beyond is also in a constant state of flux - constantly controlled by these three fundamental laws. In fact, more things are going back and forth between the two states of Myo and ho in a single moment than it would ever be possible to calculate or describe. And it doesn’t matter how big or small, famous or trivial anything or anyone may appear to be, everything that’s ever existed in the past, exists now or will exist in the future, exists only because of the workings of the Laws ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’ - the basis of the four fundamental forces, and if they didn’t function, neither we nor anything else could go on existing. That’s because all forms of existence, including the seasons, day, night, birth, death and so on, are moving forward in an ongoing flow of continuation - rhythmically reverting back and forth between the two fundamental states of Myo and ho in absolute accordance with Renge - and by way of Kyo. Even stars are dying and being reborn under the workings of what the combination ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’ represents. Nam, or Namu - which mean the same thing, are vibrational passwords or keys that allow us to reach deep into our life and fuse with or become one with ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’. On a more personal level, nothing ever happens by chance or coincidence, it’s the causes that we’ve made in our past, or are presently making, that determine how these laws function uniquely in each of our lives - as well as the environment from moment to moment. By facing east, in harmony with the direction that the Earth is spinning, and chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo for a minimum of, let’s say, ten minutes daily to start with, any of us can experience actual proof of its positive effects in our lives - even if it only makes us feel good on the inside, there will be a definite positive effect. That’s because we’re able to pierce through the thickest layers of our karma and activate our inherent Buddha Nature (our enlightened state). By so doing, we’re then able to bring forth the wisdom and good fortune that we need to challenge, overcome and change our adverse circumstances - turn them into positive ones - or manifest and gain even greater fulfilment in our daily lives from our accumulated good karma. This also allows us to bring forth the wisdom that can free us from the ignorance and stupidity that’s preventing us from accepting and being proud of the person that we indeed are - regardless of our race, colour, gender or sexuality. We’re also able to see and understand our circumstances and the environment far more clearly, as well as attract and connect with any needed external beneficial forces and situations. As I’ve already mentioned, everything is subject to the law of Cause and Effect - the ‘actual-proof-strength’ resulting from chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo always depends on our determination, sincerity and dedication. For example, the levels of difference could be compared to making a sound on a piano, creating a melody, producing a great song, and so on. Something else that’s very important to always respect and acknowledge is that the Law (or if you prefer God) is in everyone and everything. NB: There are frightening and disturbing sounds, and there are tranquil and relaxing sounds. It’s the emotional result of any noise or sound that can trigger off a mood or even instantly change one. When chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo each day, we are producing a sound vibration that’s the password to our true inner-self - this soon becomes apparent when you start reassessing your views on various things - such as your fears and desires etc. The best way to get the desired result when chanting is not to view things conventionally - rather than reaching out to an external source, we need to reach into our own lives and bring our needs and desires to fruition from within - including the good fortune and strength to achieve any help that we may need. Chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo also reaches out externally and draws us towards, or draws towards us, what we need to make us happy from our environment. For example, it helps us to be in the right place at the right time - to make better choices and decisions and so forth. We need to think of it as a seed within us that we’re watering and bringing sunshine to for it to grow, blossom and bring forth fruit or flowers. It’s also important to understand that everything we need in life, including the answer to every question and the potential to achieve every dream, already exists within us.
In Hindu literture, the trinity gods are shiva(space), vishnu(Time) and Brahma(gravity or illusive hole or the blackhole). Although, all three are required simultaneously for universe to exist, Time exists independent of gravity because time gives birth to gravity and Space exists independent of Time because space gives birth to time. Space is a combination of consciousness and energy. Pure consciousness is energy held in the core while pure energy is consciousness buried in the core.
Very deep thinking 🤔 😶I just got my mind blown with time.😵
When I read William Blake's ideas of the arrow of time, of an inifinite order and sequence of events leaving no discernible trace of an instrinsic metric I am brought at once to the precipice of the infinite and with a little help from drummer Stewart Copeland as the timekeeper of synchronicity, am able to discern from the vast tableau the heartbeat of time and reality itself.
I’m gonna call the police
@@garrymcfadden4105 Not again. Every time I invite my friends over they are always turning their amps to '11'.
One very important point or aspect, about this video that was surely missed out on is: If God didn't actually create time, because of the famous causation theory, did time created God instead? It's just another way of looking at it. Thank you Johnny, Montréal, Canada
The very idea of creating time is nonsensical because to create is a temporal action. To create time it would mean that time existed before it was created. It's absurd
What if god is time?.
@@PranavGurav-rs8ur scripture does not say god is time
@@gustavmahler1466But doesn't scripture say that God is everything? Everything is within God. God is the "alpha and the omega", so wouldn't time, space, and everything just be contained within God?
There are in my thinking no limits or constraints as pertain to God. Every thought that we could have concerning God already exists. That is relativistically speaking we have limitations and constraints and those combine to make the fabric of our understanding.
Would those limitations of understanding result in man's need for a God to provide the best possible explanation for that which we do not understand ?
You are a hero man! That last line: " if I push God and time, I see a shadow of the invite. The pulsation of reality." As a spiritual minded person who as diverted away from academic Psychology. And who is now thriving on his heart, spirituality, coming closer to reality. I wanna say this: "you sparked me with these conversations big time! Love science and spirituality coming together
This is a great and important series asking the big questions.
Mans greatest wisdom is as folly to God.
Time is for us, something like when you are playing quiz you are told your time starts now.
"The Creator of all life loves the human spirit and all the peoples in the world whether they have a religion or not, whether they are wise or foolish, whether they are sinful or virtuous. It just changes the amount of work that must be done to redeem them in time. But to God time is nothing and to you time is everything, as it should be, as it is." From "The Origin" by Marshall Vian Summers.
By the way, the entire text is available online for free, just google it. :) It's something.
That helps not one iota
Does that mean that God loves Hitler, jimmy Savile, serial killers, Satan and all past evil people who made hundreds & sometimes millions of innocent people suffer ??
@@SIEACharity I recommend to take a curious look at the original text, "Origin". It's easier to get the big picture behind that quote. I think its message is very important to consider.
@@SIEACharity Yes. All of us are forgiven, no matter what. God's plan is to save everyone.
Thanks for asking the real questions
The answer comes from understanding that thought creates the multiverse. Time is an evolving thought, just like everything else. It is one of the most fundamental thoughts, as one of the first issues that God dealt with in his slow awakening was "which of my thoughts came first, and why does that matter?"
For me, Closer to the truth has to be one of the most under rated shows.
I love the intro for this show - very goosebumps-inducing
No you are wrong they there is a god
No, _you_ are wrong! There is a dog!
Excellent analysis. I think Dr Kuhn's #3 or 3rd possibility is correct. It is the position articulated by Dr William Lane Craig and it's a scary perspective.
"Time is an illusion, lunch time doubly so" - Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
So you getting old and die is also an illusion!? Sigh!
Everything occurring in time is attached to the element of time, hence, all our activities whether good or bad has to do with time; therefore, if time is an illusion then this interview and all life's activities amount to an illusion alos!
My theory is time and space is more like an illusion that only appears to beings that exist at a lower level of existence in relation to God. It is the only way we can consume and relate to such a perfect and complete being. It is impossible for us to experience God in fullness. We have to experience God in extremely small increments, and time and space is how that happens.
We know that Einstein taught us relativity is a thing.. We know that the velocity of mass can change the speed that time flows relative to that mass... If anything could travel at the speed of light, time would stand still for that object... Yet if you were on that object, relativity states that you would see everything around you travelling at the speed of light while you remained stationary, meaning that everything else experienced zero time and not you. If this is the case.. Then, objectively speaking.. Time does not exist at all However, we know that nothing travels at the speed of light (apart from photons duh) so even if everything in the universe reached a high percentage of lightspeed, time would still trickle by... But.. That still leaves us with the paradox that relativity creates in the first place. The twin paradox is already intriguing enough in that, if one twin left the Earth in a rocket that travelled so fast it slowed it's time by half, then every year the twin continued to fly that rocket, two years would pass for the twin on Earth. This would mean that they age faster than their space fairing sibling at twice the rate. But then... Relativity steps in and complicates this scenario even further.. From the rocket pilot's perspective, it is the OTHER twin who experiences the slowing of time due to the speed they are travelling, so no matter how long it takes them to get back to planet Earth, the twins will still be exactly the same age as each other. So many paradoxes... Imma lie down for a bit
"Yet if you were on that object, relativity states that you would see everything around you travelling at the speed of light while you remained stationary" I sincerely doubt it as when there is no experience of passing of time there is no experience of traveling either. So i disagree with this part of your argument. However I could agree with the conclusion that from the perspective of someone traveling at the speed of light, time does not exist. "we know that nothing travels at the speed of light (apart from photons duh)" So then from the perspective of a photon, there is no time, yet from our perspective as long as the photon does not collide with something else the photon is eternal. A striking observation is that next to a concept withing physics, light is also a methaphorical represtation of god. The twin who remained on earth whill have aged twice as much when his brother returns. If from his perpective 10 years have passed and as such he aged 10 years, for his brother returning on earth only 5 years have passed and he only aged 5 years. So no, the twins will not be exactly the same age as each other when the rocket returns to earth, as one twin celbrated 10 bithdays, while the other only celebrated 5. Same with distance, if we start at the same point and end at the same point geographically, both at the same time, it doesn't necessarily mean we traveled equal distances.
Bit of an ask but can anyone tell me what the music is at the beginning of the videos?
God Time . . . Good times - Thank you Sir for bring us all along on your quest.
I think on a certain level time disappears, for the foundation of cause is already in the effect and Vice versa . But if we’re going to go down that rabbit hole, suppose time is God ? Then When we experience time, we are experiencing God
if you are going down that route then god can be defined to be anything you like.
God is not time, rather God encompasses time. Time is a Creation, or a phenomenon observed because of motion in space.
@@kledmohd4230 and you know this how?
@@cosmikrelic4815 things i read earlier and made more sense.
What you mean by "the foundation of cause is already in the effect"?
A being who is truly immortal doesn’t feel time because there is no end point to get to, we are aware because we know there is an end rushing to meet us, so we created time to measure our short existence.
Yeah interesting thought.
this discussion pre-supposes there is time without matter (a la Newto). what would time even mean without a cyclic clock? so it's that ambiguity/paradox that leads to the issues these guys seem to be having. anyway, at 16:14, is that like the collapse of the wave function?
I usually shy away from William Lane Craig bcs of his apologetics, but i saw in him the most beautiful theory of the relationship of god and time, better, than the other explanation, except the last one which quite correspond to my understanding
"God in time is less perfect.." Indeed, have you ever seen programmer who go into his programs in order to make his programs working correctly?
interesting …you can set up the architecture and code for the game…run it over time and watch it do what it does, then at critical junctures tweet and adjust….as long as the fundamental architecture and parameters are not tampered with…if they are then it is not the same game. A 16 multi-verse may be comprised of 16 different games, with differing architecture and parameters, however what unites them is that they are all games designed to help evolve systems to greater levels of consciousness and/or autonomous capability
"God" is not the programmer. As some may think. God is not an individual. We are God. We are our own creators. Are own programmers. We are everything and everyone. Everything is within....
@@awakenedwarrior952 fly then
@@qhudz_ Fly.... Thats easy.
no but talking about God and giving him the attribute of doing things inevitably limits him to the bounds of time which is said to be created by God himself! this is a paradox and there's no escape out of it
Do you people hear yourselves?
@@NilsExp After one or two comments on the topic I was snickering a bit thinking about how silly these people are, then after another couple is was getting a bit annoyed seeing how much more ridiculous it sounded, but the end I felt pretty pissed for some reason, that was too much bull in one go for my liking
What is " time" besides of being a label used to measure the experience of change. Which again requires something to be measured??
God did not have to create time. It is enough thar He created periodic phenomena that enable us measuring a distance between events. After all, what is God? God is for us an undefined entity that we are not allowed to describe in human terms. Hence, God may be simultaneously in our time-space and outside of the one because He is not divisible
Wonder if God ever gets tired of being referred to as "he".
God is called father
Oh my God, I've got no time for this.
I have to say, I struggled a lot with this question. But I think it has an answer and the answer is that "God" is both temporal and atemporal; both in time and outside of time. And the key to this is how you define "God" - for me, "God" is math, logic and existence itself, ontology. These things don't need time or space to exist, they simply "are", they are the source of space and time. Yet they continue to exist "inside" of space and time - you can use math and logic to perform computations in space and time, no problem at all. Computations using what? Using ontology - using things that exist, are physical. So you really have God (or math, logic and ontology) being both in time and outside of time - space and time are ontological properties, just as qualia is ontological but at the subjective level. There's no contradiction. Space and time, therefore, are manifestations or "properties" of ontology, although things get even more complicated when you get into quantum gravity - there you see that space emerges from quantum entanglement (more precisely, the quantum entanglement of the degrees of freedom of the quantum fields) and time emerges from the superposition of all the possible configurations of the universe. In this view, you see that both space and time are emergent and that time itself cannot be a pertinent answer or limitation for "God". But "God" permits the existence of space and time (as emergent properties) from its ontology and allows for computations to be executed in space and time, therefore God is present both in time and outside of time.
We'll never fully understand God's capabilities. We just know He can exist in both temporal and atemporal
Perhaps this can be summed up as follows: _"'For My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways My ways,' says the Lord. 'As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways and My thoughts [higher] than your thoughts.'"_ (Isaiah 55:8-9) It's maddening to hear astoundingly intelligent Christians explaining God as inherently outside of time and then turning to the Trinity, which explains that God not only interacted with time, but that He limited Himself by it in the form of the Second Person. The more you study God and time from a logical and scientific perspective, the more you are forced to move away from the notion that the Second Person of the Trinity is valid. I expect the lay Christian to adhere to the Christianity, but expect more highly educated Christians to understand the problems with it.
Time does not exist without space and space does not exist without time.
true
If space is without matter then nothing changes. If nothing changes there is no time. You need matter seems to me.
@@martello44 no space = no matter and no god
@@fraser_mr2009 You say no “matter no God” but this subject is something we will probably never understand. We have to face the fact that we are just mortals and there are things we will never understand.
Mind Begs the Question: If "I dont want to Believe,i want to Know" But if you have lifespan of 120yrs max Likely insufficient to know all Right mindset to have?
Somewhere in that mix is another variation: I want to believe and not know; I want to not believe and not know; I don’t want to believe and I don’t want to know ; I don’t want anything ever; It seems no matter what we want or do not want, we are still wanting to want or not want. The only way out of all these loops is to be still
Then are you not just a fool blindly believing in some ancient texts? They are right because they say so? Magic, miracle people when there is zero evidence of any such things? But their words are pleasing? If you believe you will be rewarded with the easy lazy good life? Ever wondered why any magic being is so intent on making sure that you believe in something where there is no evidence and will reward/punish accordingly? Is that all we are? Who we are as people, what we did in life does not matter Nazis didn't care about who the Jew was, Racists don't care for blacks as human beings That is God? Or is it more likely that Religious people are using these Gods to promote conversions, gain power? The latter is not pleasing, is it?
@@ramaraksha01 RMSHA…it is so curious that although we love to theorize and hypothesize , we actually are trying to explain to ourselves what already is…the mysteries are not mysteries to themselves, only t those who try to figure them out…
@@Williamb612 And that's what makes life exciting and a purpose to life + figuring these out is how we have come so far ahead today - animals don't figure out anything, they just do with what nature gave them One guy figured out that air can create a lift and if wings are properly set, a huge body weighing tons can actually fly! And so we have airplanes! Scientists and researchers have figured out bugs that we can't see can do and have almost defeated Covid19 - such a disease wiped out 50% of Europe's population - the black plague! It won't happen now
@@ramaraksha01 RM…fully agree, these questions that yield exploration enable us through pursuit to to develop and grow as a species, create, innovate and make the world a better safer home Still, it is so amazing to me (this is subtle) that the answers to all these questions already exists all around us, we are not creating anything, but rather figuring out what already has been created We know what comprises electricity, we know that the major forces in our universe as we know it are: gravity electromagnetism strong nuclear force weak nuclear force We can harness these, focus these, we can observe them at quantum and relative levels, but we do not know what made them
Excellent show
Well, it clarifies what a significant property of a supernatural being is, ability to be changeless / timeless and still act / perform (create the universe). If there was a being who acted willfully with a vision in manufacturing the universe, imo it becomes much more likely that: 1. It was a transformer (transformed existing manifestations of energy prior to Big Bang, did not create out of nothing). 2. It was not changeless, the energy which it itself consisted of had to be changeable (thoughts demand change). It therefore did not create time, time (change) has no beginning. It then was a very strange natural being, but in no way so extremely strange as a supernatural being. The traditional religions have deep trouble with God and time, and they should have. Both concepts are probably brain constructions (time only a label for change, rates of change).
William Craig has some very interesting views
Seems the weakest of all the ones shown.
I like him seems like genuine guy don’t agree with everything but agree with some
@@kledmohd4230 I don't think it's fair to judge him on this short clip. Of all the people interviewed, Craig has probably published the most on the nature of time.
@@philochristos yeah i know, it's a short clip, so i was just commenting on this clip. William has been active for so many years, and have changes of opinions over the years. The problem with his argument is, he mentioned that God is able to change, from one state to another. Change implies that there was a beginning, which would imply there would be an ending as well. Anything that has a beginning can't be a Creator, it'd need a preceeding Creator to bring it to its beginning.
@@kledmohd4230 Craig actually addresses that in his book, God, Time, and Eternity. In his view, both God and the universe have a finite past as far as temporarily is concerned. But whereas the universe has no a-temporal state of its existence, God does. It is for that reason that he thinks the universe came into existence, but God did not. Since God didn't come into existence, God doesn't require a cause for his existence, but the universe does. I'm not saying I necessarily agree with Craig. I'm just saying you can't easily dismiss Craig's view based on what he doesn't say in a short clip. He thought of most objections one could raise against his view.
To which man-made God are you referring?
Yeah, were still waiting for one schred of proof.
God the Creator. There is a very popular book that might help you understand Him better, then everything will make more sense I promise. He was the one who created man, became a man, and will save man. I'm surprised you've never heard of Him?
@@morbidmanmusic don't hold your breath. He hid himself from man and therefore you will never find proof unless through faith. It is such a beautiful thing. It's all explained very clearly (to those who can understand)
@@jap274 must be tons of people not "getting saved" cause they have no natural connection to the religion throughout their life. Seams like a fair concept
@@DaP84 that's up to Him, so I don't care to speak on His behalf. All I know if you obviously deny Him, and that is your choice, though it might be one that you regret. You don't have much excuse, but again, I know not His will and really only worry about my own salvation, so I'll leave it at that.
Time is not an abstraction, but is defined as the interval between specific events. Creating the universe, or even making the decision to create it, would be such an event, so how could it happen “outside of time”? There may be answers to such mysteries, but I fear that our reliance on words to parse them that lose their meaning in such contexts will make it very difficult, and using Bronze Age religions as our springboard definitely won’t help.
Interesting question, I do think that a creator of sorts, could create something and experience it much in the same way you can build a house and live within it.
God is outside of time.. Jesus: Wait, that's illegal.
Once in awhile that which is illegal does some good…
William Lane Craig's propensity and capacity for horseshit is the only thing in this universe that is truly timeless and unchanging.
What specically did he say that was horseshit? Not just that you disagree with him (unless you believe everybody on earth who holds a different view from you is speaking horseshit). Seems more likely to me that everything he said completely flew over your head. Small-minded people tend to disparage what they don't understand.
When I come across the videos in this series, I like the questions the channel tackles and how seriously it considers different sides of those questions. But it's a little frustrating. I have some of my own ideas, but what I'd love to do is bring up those ideas in a group of people like the ones interviewed in this video. Not because I expect everyone would be amazed at my ideas, but because they'd at least take my ideas seriously enough to ask me interesting questions. Ah well.
Amusing coincidence, KZhead just popped up an ad. And in the ad, someone made the comment _"God has done for _*_such a time_*_ as this!"_ That struck me as funny.
@@garanceadrosehn9691 It's not "a coincidence". The KZhead algorithms are based on your viewing and comment history.
@@anderslarsen4412 Also on keywords, such as God and Time in this case.
Those who dwell on past perfection are the ones that don't want to accept responsibility for their own perfection
The host and guests in this video, are all presupposing there IS a god!
I don't know if the interviewer believes in a god or not, but if you want to talk with believers about god, you need at least assume god's existence just for the purpose of carrying out the interview.
@@piotrgoacki9070 Yes he is a Christian & that colors his view of everything
The best argument is that of Leibniz: if the God is eternal (thus God), why did he wait for so long to create the world? We can answer that question beautifully from the perspective of science i.e. physics and from the perspective of philosophy. 1. From the perspective of physics: Cyclic Conformal Cosmology states that the universe is eternal. Just like God has no beginning nor end so does the universe. 2. From the perspective of philosophy: "Existence precedes ontology" (Philosophy of existence, Sartre). In other words, existence precedes essence and substance.
It's really necessary to FIRST, define the ambiguous term "God". What specific meaning is being given to the subject of the discussion? Any discussion of "God" without that, is folly, a kind of "Who's on first" routine where everybody hears what the others say but misunderstands their meaning (and nobody knows it).
What chills me brother is being stuck far up North in January! Did God create COLD!
Honestly, if God created, then he created everything. Otherwise what are you saying, That God created everything else but not time??? Eternity is outside of the whole space time phenomenon we struggle to understand. Simple. There is no time in eternity. Whether you understand that or not is irrelevant. God is by necessity outside the whole entire space time equation. But man struggles to imagine outside time. Outside causation. Yes. There are things outside the imagination and comprehension of man. The Bible has been saying this for a very very very long time.
Yes. I agree with you.
What you're saying is true, that God by necessity is outside the space time equation, but then how does God come down to earth in flesh, to be contained within time, while it is by necessity that he be outside of it.
And zip zero evidence of any of it But what we DO have is right before you - God created this world, this earth, gave you this life - but because life is hard, religions came up with Heavens beyond this universe but of course. Funny thing they look like Retirement Homes - billions of people just sitting about/laying about/snoring away, doing nothing, an idle, useless & pointless existence for eternity! Ah, All part of God's Grand Plan! Indeed!
@@kledmohd4230 If God is God, by definition He should be able to do whatever He wishes. Otherwise He is not God. The God of the Bible is God Almighty. Almighty can come down to earth as a human.
@@ramaraksha01 "Zero evidence". Evidence is good and required to establish something in this physical world. The problem is you ask for physical evidence for spiritual things. In Christianity you believe God and in God first and you will get convincing evidence as time passes. This may not be the way physical world works but as I said it's about a higher reality where physical principles have no relevance.
Us, everything and the whole universe is what you call God so I guess so!
Wy not just call it the universe? 🤔
But, I thought it was already common knowledge that time, space and gravity are byproducts of the curvature of the spacetime metrix, which is caused by the presence of massive objects. No?
When I read the title of the new video, I had no idea how interesting this topic would be and how complex the questions would be. To me, what William Lane Craig said sounds like I could agree to most...
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@@wildmansamurai3663 I don't understand your reply, sorry.
@@zebrastriber Craig is delusional.
@@wildmansamurai3663 Oh, if "Wildman Samurai" says so, then it has to be like that I guess. 👍
@@zebrastriber Those are just the facts.
We know through quantum physics... There is a concept of retro causality.... So god answering prayers could just be a mechanical in the sense....
A better question would be: "How long did it take GOD to create time?" Answer: In no time!
God is time with power to creat & change
GOD is Time with no end, but how long well a day I think from the 6 days of creation
So good.
Bravo - extra good segment
Time is the best way to keep everything from happening at once.
Quantum Theory: What's wrong with everything happening at once?
@@MalikAlMalik For real, dont I have enough to do all ready
NO. Time is why things happen at all. Time means changes without which everything is an picture bcos there is no movement.
If waters don't flow, you don't grow, the changes of hormones and chemicals in you over time, if all the things happening around us which we tried to capture with clock for organization and sequences are not happening, then there is no time bcos there will be no night and day. Changes bring all these. Without changes, what will have is a picture where there are no events.
Professor of the Philosophy of the Christian Religion - beats having to work.
Try not sounding illiterate the next time you try to dunk on somebody.
@@NwZ2 Careless editing. Thanks for bringing that to my attention.
Thought provoking episode.
If you're three.
This was a worthy question. The debate on unknown should give voice to other mindset since there is no proof of god either way. However reasoning on omnipotence that has no limit on rules or the lack of them against the known world that has rules is not going to bring any conclusions.
God created time, matter, and space, our human arrogance blind us to comprehend the truth.
How many angels can dance on the head of a pin? The whole discussion assumes God's existence. That makes this all an intellectual exercise along the lines of asking whether unicorns prefer oats or barley. You have to prove this god exists before you can start talking about how he interacts with time.
@Phillip Evans clearly I was referring to the mythical unicorn that has the body of a horse, not a rhino.
@Phillip Evans That's the point - there is no evidence of any such being and these fools are talking as they knew him How was he born? Where did he spring up from? Zero answers or cheap answers of he was already there, he is eternal - again zero evidence of this eternal being There is as much evidence for God as there is for Superman, Spiderman, tooth fairy & the like, but these guys are not going to say they exist - in fact there is more likelihood that Superman or a spiderman could exist than God But they want only God, why? Because God will then be pleased and GIVE them the eternal good life in Heaven God is like a Putin, Saddam, you see - all he wants is your loyalty and he will reward accordingly Those who support Putin are rewarded by him And those who spoke out against Putin, Saddam find themselves gassed to death, tortured, beaten, raped & killed! Yep, God! Unless you believe, that is what is going to happen to the vast majority of humanity while these scum cheer! Those who support God will enjoy the good life just like any Prostitute/Gigolo/leech does down here - not doing a lick of work, just sit back and sponge off their Rich Sugar Daddies Ah, All God's Grand Plan! The stupidity of theists is unbelievable
@@ramaraksha01 you seem angry, as most atheists i encounter are. reframe your thoughts and throw out the bias against God. if you see God as evil - it will always be that to your mind and you have ultimately limited the expansion on who God really is.
@@Emilnananaxo Yeah the Nazi scum dividing people by belief is the nice one & the atheists are the angry ones - sure Atheists don't see God as evil - they are not bad people - they are simply saying there is no evidence for God - that's all YOU KNOW THAT - but that is how you preach hate - so much blood on your hands
@@Emilnananaxo If you are in an accident, you will scream "only Christians come help me?" - an Atheist stops by and saves your life and your family's and he gets hell? The drunk Christian who caused this crash gets heaven? how you guys embrace such scum bucket morals so easily I will never know
Why, as so many people believe, does the creation of things like the Universe, Time, Life, etc. require the handiwork of a god? And yet, at the same time no thought seems to ever be given to the need of something creating said god.
the old dude said that was a silly question
@@tukayz254 Proof of that claim? ... and please, don't use circular reasoning. It's very insulting to one's intelligence.
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There is no such thing as time. It’s a totally human construct. Think about it for longer than a minute.
i don't think so
Finally someone gets it JO!! I try to explain this and folks throw me out of the room
Of course God created time--but it was easy. He wasn't on the clock!
One funny thing is people complaining why'd it take him billions of years, well if he created it in 5 thousand years, people would be commenting, why 5 thousand years, any number of years he takes Creating, people would find the perfect excuse of why did he takes this much time and not that much time. Well. He gets to do what he wants however he wants, and the people complaining doesn't have any control on most parts of their own life.
What if The Living Infinite Being creates spacetime within Self and all is from, of, by, and for It? A naturally occurring Self examination expressed in thought could continue indefinitely for such a Being. I think all of spacetime always exists; made real within, yet illusory as thought. Being infinite, It can always think new things; so It "grows" in a sense, and knows it. What would you do if You were IT? Thanks for the shared perspectives.
If spacetime always existed and God has no choice about it, then it'd be like a God, a Second God to the God we know, as preexistance is a necessary characteristic of God. The point you mentioned earlier, first that Living infinite being Creates Spacetime, but then mentioned few sentences later, Spacetime always existed. Well if Spacetime was Created, it didn't always exist.
@@kledmohd4230 We can only be right for ourselves, that's what comes from being an infinitely small bit of IT. Thanks for trying to make sense of what I wrote - if that's what you were trying to do.
@@user-ij6vg8xq2r hi, i missed the last part of your comment that what if we were IT or part of it, similar to dharmic religions. It begs the question, that after you were IT, it being the Singularity, how'd you end up in state of Maya (loosely as illusion), from brahman how'd you end up as a jivatman. IT of course if you go a bit into depth, is not a personality or entity with voilition, intellect or will, like how we know it. It'd be bit difficult to deal with understandings like you're all consciousness (Atman, but incapacitated due to being stuck in this illusion), however when you dissolve out of this illusion and become One with your true self(brahman), you actually lose your individuality and the consciousness that comes along with it. So how'd you even end up in this state, from being a principle or force, to be intellectual and individual beings. Sorry for going into that tangent. Another way i can think of as being infinitely small parts of IT is that we exist within the God's being(who is not a principle but an existing entity with personality, these attributes are necessary as anything that exists has a cause for its existence, and a will which is necessary for anything to exist) , and thus we're part of him due to this matter, this doesn't make us IT, but rather part of IT. How's the nature of this part that we claim to be us is a different topic.
How long did it take??
I zoned out on the yakky old farts video, and enjoy the comments. Brilliant people mixed in with total numb skulls and that's the problem that leads to comedy.
It’s funny watching “god” talk about itself. Defending and questioning its own existence.
You mean the speakers in the video as God.
@@kledmohd4230 “I Am” is the name of “god”. I=Awareness.....Am=Being I Am(god) with the use of the imagination has created mythology, science, philosophy and religion about itself. Filtering itself through the mind(ego) it can never know itself directly AS god(infinity) through the limitation of the mind.
@@FACEgod_ lol mistranslated perhaps
Not at all. “God”, is a concept created by thought. “God” as an experience would be “consciousness” or aware being, I Am. This is the place to start when defining god. “Consciousness” is the only “thing” we experience that has the same characteristics as “god”. All other things are concepts created by mind/thought.
God is ALL at once omnipotent, omniscient, and the creator of ALL things, including time. God, has no limitations except what he chooses to impose upon himself. He is the creator of not just time, but ALL parameters, and relationships. which are the laws which our universe MUST abide by. Yet, he is not subject to any of them. Like a giant iceberg, he exists outside of time, while simultaneously existing inside of time. All is before God, who knows all, however God likes "process" and experienceses it through his creation. His gift to his creation, is the ability to experience "process" with him. ALL of these people greatly underestimate God. Who's true Glory and Power are incomprehensible to both man and Angels.
But the requisite problem that must be addressed first is, what is time? Because even without creation, something is going on in god. A thinking being, a being that has plans and he also acts in mysterious ways. Plus the fact that to say that he is outside of time, denotes a spatial element. Hence, what is the meaning of that?
Time is just spin and revolution of space. Space exists independent of time.. Spin at any point in space kickstarts time..
@@ramithuday5042 How about time in the purview of 2 minutes, 1945, yesterday, tomorrow?
@@ramithuday5042 What makes you say that say that space exists independent of time? Does space stop spinning or revolving?
@@jml5926 please see my comment in main.section 60 min ago
"In the Beginning...." Actually, if you look carefully at the Hebrew text, he created the beginning...
That answers nothing.
@@morbidmanmusic You live in how many dimensions? 10 scientist believe. We live in our 4 or 5 dimensional world. Length, width, height, space and time. Most scientist believe it space-time, or combined space and time. Depending on where you are, is what time it is. Example would be the two atomic clock based in NIST Boulder Laboratories Boulder, Colorado, and Queenstown, Singapore. Which one is faster? Is GOD subject to space and time? I believe he lives outside space and time. Did he create it? I believe he did as he states he created everything, including the beginning. JOB 38 is a good read for anyone.....(too long to put it here)
@Mitchell Tuffin What verse is that?
According to Islam (and this is my interpretation) God IS the beggining. He is "al-awwalu" (the First) and "al-akhiru" (the Last)
@@carlosmora9815 he's the beginning and the ending for us as far as we are concerned. He doesn't have a beginning or ending, when it comes to God.
"Did God Create Time?" Titles and questions like this is why I can hardly take anything from this KZhead channel seriously.
I mean seriously.... Just because billions over human history have turned "We don't know" X into some imaginary explanation doesn't make it even remotely correct, nor worthy of intellectual discussion as if it is. You may as well be talking to people advocating for the flat-earth view of our planet.
@emerald view: I don't think anyone would miss you if you left. before you go though are you upset because you think god did create time or not?
It's a nice thought provoking question. If you don't like it. There's always looney toons.
@@EmeraldView wow you sound like a real closed minded guy.. trying to be the smartest guy in the room! Even Einstein thought there was a god or something outside of physical science, lighten up and keep an open mind.
@@cosmikrelic4815 , "god" is the most asinine explanation of anything because it explains NOTHING. You can't explain things using something that would have no explanation. It's beyond absurd. If there were a "god" that created anything, then what created it!? Oh right... special pleading, this all powerful thinking entity that has the capacity to do things (apparently even outside of time itself which is beyond non-sensical), just always existed.
Of course it is the work of philosophers and theologians to consider these most profound questions concerning God's nature, and it is interesting to hear of their conclusions, but it does seem to my small brain that from our perspective, here and now in this universe existing in time, the questions are almost certainly inadequately framed and the answers to any properly framed questions incomprehensible.
A thought provoking episode. In my opinion, the Christian model of a Holy Trinity - "God, Son, and the Holy Spirit" - covers the bases of God both being outside of the block universe of time, space, and matter, yet is able to interact richly with this creation and us beings inside of it. Consider how God refers to Himself in Exodus - perpetually in tenseless form: "And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you." Then you have Christ addressing the Pharisees in John 8: “You are not yet fifty years old,” the Jews said to him, “and you have seen Abraham!” “I tell you the truth,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”" Also consider that angels, while creatures created by God, are supposedly not of time, but are defined by their name alone: the archangel Michael's name translates to the rhetorical question: "who is like God?” (No one, of course, is like God, which may be why Michael clobbered Lucifer, who claimed otherwise.) All these things in the Bible point to God not being of time, but also being able to interact fully with His temporal creation, on impersonal (Holy Spirit) or intensely personal (Jesus Christ) terms.
Robert Kuhn creates fictitious time so that KZhead creates fictitious money in his bank account.
No, because she does not exist.
I only hope if God is simply creating an experience with itself, I hope God convinces itself that I am an individual who will forever share different scenarios for ever with my deeply missed Wife and my dear Mother infinitely and with limited dark experiences.❤
I Believe God Is Time And He is neither In time or Outside Of It Just My Belief
yet more non-sensical rubbish. Why do we always get this when religious people attempt to line up the concept of an all knowing god with theories of physics.
Thanks for your unsolicited opinion. Next time try assembling some remotely looking like a real argument to back up your unearned insult, instead of being intellectually lazy. BTW, since you're wholly ignorant on the various topics being discussed here, such as metaphysics, philosophy, etc, and the the evolution of these topics in the history of intellectual thought, you'd sound like less pleb by being able to cite these histories.
@@NwZ2 Calm down. With regard to sharing my unsolicited opinion, I would suggest that having an open comment section would make my comment very much solicited. But you are right when you state it is my opinion. I'm not an expert in metaphysics or philosophy, but I am equally not entirely ignorant in the basics of logic or common sense. And some of what I hear on this channel sounds like nonsense. Lots of words used to make subjects sound more complicated than they need to be in order to put forward arguments that attempt to sound convincing, but do not convince me. And I'm sorry if you don't like it, but it usually when religious folks attempt to square religion with good science. It's sophistry. As for my comments being an insult, Is that because I don't agree with the subject of the video? If I had commented 'What a marvellous video - he made total sense' Would you have called me intellectually lazy too? Just because my comments are negative does not automatically make them an insult. So get off your horse and stop trying to discourage engagement just because you might not agree with the commenter. Otherwise what's the fkin point..
Wow, this channel is going downhill. Let’s stick with science and credible evidence.
Channels been posting videos for 8 years.. maybe there’s nothing new science can account for. Why not let speculation come into the mix?
@@GebreMMII , yes, I agree. With the caveat that probability is applied, and reality is not ejected. Otherwise it is not even science-fiction, just fantasy.
@@cps_Zen_Run do you honestly not expect us to find any sort of deity in centuries to come?
@@cps_Zen_Run Sorry but God is Transcendent and greater than "science and credible evidence " he created the world with it's laws and limitations whilst he is above it.
@@GebreMMII If you don't like the show don't watch it simple
"That men may not be the dreams of Gods, but rather that the Gods are the dreams of men" -Rig Ved
Isaiah 55:8-13 8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. 9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. 10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: 11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. 12 For ye shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace: the mountains and the hills shall break forth before you into singing, and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands. 13 Instead of the thorn shall come up the fir tree, and instead of the brier shall come up the myrtle tree: and it shall be to the Lord for a name, for an everlasting sign that shall not be cut off.