See my final scope picks at backfire.tv/1000 That is a blog post where I review my final picks for each category.
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Thanks all for the support! I contacted many other companies who chose not to participate or failed to respond. I can really only review what's in front of me. Also, some companies like Arken make awesome scopes and I will definitely be reviewing them, BUT their scopes are much less expensive than these so I didn't think it'd be a fair comparison. Tried to keep everything in the $750 to $1,000 range and as close to 3-18 FFP as possible.
@backfire7 ай бұрын
im curious do any of the Arken or other cheaper scopes compete with these? or is it really a "you get what you pay for" kinda deal?
@BigShotsEric7 ай бұрын
What you think about Meopta optika6 3-18 ffp it should be under 1000 also
@jirifrybort58777 ай бұрын
Just purchased the Tract Toric 3-15 x 44 FFP scope and it's AWESOME at $800-$900, Awhile back I found the Athlon Ares BTR Gen 2 4.5-27 x 50 for $600! It's super awesome!
@GetMeThere17 ай бұрын
I own two of the PA GLX FFP scopes and they have been excellent so far. Love the ACSS reticle!
@wisco_guy7 ай бұрын
You should do another cheap rifle test, and do different rifles compared to the ones that you have already done. Like do a cheap browning or other known brands
@brandonquintero57107 ай бұрын
that drop test hurts to watch
@francoisbm67857 ай бұрын
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@Flinting_and_gaming7 ай бұрын
How the heck isn’t athlon in this race?
@C_oprator897 ай бұрын
So bad, I cringed everytime one was dropped
@PRSKris7 ай бұрын
@architekt8937 no locking turrets
@Mills1417 ай бұрын
@@Mills141 most athlon have locking turrets. The helos gen2 btr does for sure
@C_oprator897 ай бұрын
I'm curious if you reported the water failure to Burris and if yes, what was the response? This was an awesome test, thank you
@hlranch7 ай бұрын
The fact that you arent allowed to show us the turret being twisted is just wild. I would love for youtube to explain the reasoning just to humor me. Awesome vid as always!
@tyrelhunter65297 ай бұрын
You can, he is just being super cautious
@taylorcleblanc7 ай бұрын
He said he’s been demonetized for that in the past. Just shows how much YT loves the year 84 from the 20th century
@reabralop7 ай бұрын
@@reabralop It took me a second.... But I see what you did there!
@Isaacmantx4 ай бұрын
Good test. I would be interested in the scopes ability to track and hold zero pre and post drop. That seems to be a bigger issue than out of the box. If a scope doesn’t track out of the box that seems to be a non starter.
@herpingmad1457 ай бұрын
Thanks for doing these tests for us Jim. Keep up the good work!
@afdetailing81047 ай бұрын
You need to include Vortex and Leupold Scopes in this. Thanks!
@jimfunchess7 ай бұрын
We know they're good, why would they donate a scope for things they've already tested?
@philschaefer46517 ай бұрын
Well vortex's only optic that really lines up here is the Strike Eagle 3-18ffp... Leupold doesn't really have anything. Closest would be vx3hd 4.5-14 sub 1k... technically a non side adjust, non fire dot, and non cds vx5hd 3-15, but both of those are SFP
@920fist47 ай бұрын
He literally says why they’re not in here. In addition to Nikon, I might add.
@taylortisaac6 ай бұрын
Nikon no makee scopes no mo. I like the older ones.@@taylortisaac
@paulmoss79405 ай бұрын
Primary arms has been making so good scopes as of late. I have one on my 6.5 (PLx) and it looks so nice. I just couldnt justify going Razor HD price over it.
@MrMadeinthe80s7 ай бұрын
Absolutely fantastic review! I would love to see the same review, for top tier scopes from the top manufacturers.
@micaellnstrup46027 ай бұрын
Thank you for your research and doing the community a service by keeping us informed. My jaw dropped along with that scope drop test! haha. You sir have my respect! (and sub and like)
@choomanfoo1577 ай бұрын
I appreciate your time, your work, your skills.
@romanrussian89897 ай бұрын
Please please do the best scopes regardless of price. I’d love to hear what you have to say! Thank you for such amazing content!
@jpaul1232h7 ай бұрын
This video is a prime example of "I love your content, even though it does not apply to me." Most of my scopes are 1-6x, or 2-7x24mm. I love the Athlon BTR series. You should see the looks I get from techno hunters out in the sage or up in the mountains, with their 3lb 6-24x50mm scopes. I am ethically the "fair chase only" type. I do not hunt from blinds, or sit on water or food. I despise road hunters, unless they are genuinely physically disabled. Spot and stalk. Thus, weight is important to me. Also, since I do not shoot over 450 yards, 99% of my big game kills have been at 4x mag. Just works for me. I also do not share your love of chassis rifles, composites, Cerakote, etc. Give me a Win 70 Supergrade in maple any day. I love your content, keep it up. Side note: last year out Mulie hunting in our big, wide sage canyons, I came upon a guy who was lugging a 28" Palma barrel UberLoudenBoomer, that had to 13lbs if it was an ounce. Giant scope, like 3 sun shades on it, a tacticool green chassis of some kind, chambered in 30 Nosler. He took one look at my Tikka T3x Hunter 243 Win, 20" barrel, with an Athlon BTR 2-7X24 it, asked to handle it. He laughed at first when I told him 243, until I showed him a vid of that rifle knocking down a mulie at 373 yards. He offered to trade me on the spot. We were up high, and could see where we were parked, about 3 miles away. Last I saw of him, he had his rifle tied to his giant pack, sweating balls while I cruised on by. Bet this year he has a different rifle/optic.
@scbane7 ай бұрын
Excellent video as always Jim, thank you for all your hard work. I am that much wiser after takin in your videos. Thanks from Canada
@kellyreid82304 ай бұрын
Thanks Jim and Crew...Awesome information and on my way to the blog post!! 👍👍
@KenBlackRifleAmerica7 ай бұрын
Your reviews are so great..that now we need a review on scopes under $2,000.
@maxcoatlhunter43227 ай бұрын
Thank for the review. I am looking to buy a new scope for a semi-precision rifle and I am looking at scopes in all price ranges. This was a great review and I learned a lot.
@armeddiver7 ай бұрын
Thanks for your hard work and videos!!!
@kellyrick43657 ай бұрын
Ive Never used the Arken Optics, but, LOVE the PA GLx4 2.5-10x/4-16x. Great turrets and reticle along with glass thats
@fook-joby-den61727 ай бұрын
For where I hunt a 4x is not low enough. Most shots in my area are under 100yd and many are under 100ft. Hunting in the woods is really very different than on grassland or mountains.
@EthosAtheos7 ай бұрын
I thought Trijicon Accupoint should maybe be in your tests. Cool to see primary arms in the top, I think when doing the drop test it should be done 3-10 times to have consistency possibly.
@awsomedude91117 ай бұрын
Would love to see the same but for PRS scopes. Great video!
@michaelbakowski51437 ай бұрын
hugely appreciate the work here, great video. Really wish the big guys would have participated as I'm not really willing to step outside of the big 3-4
@tannervanasten7 ай бұрын
Excellent video and review that demonstrates why KZhead can be so valuable in making the most of your hard- earned money.
@davidlaney82547 ай бұрын
Arken EP5 would be my choice.
@Bubblyhiccups7 ай бұрын
My buddy put one on his Barrett as a joke. And it has stayed there because it’s great. We all thought it would die
@CiviTac7 ай бұрын
I’ve had 6 Arkens. All 6 have been sent back.
@Chit_1262 ай бұрын
For first focal plane scopes, do you check that the reticle subtensions line up with the calibrated equipment throughout the magnification range?
@overkill01497 ай бұрын
I own the Element Titan 5-25x56 FFP and have for about a year now. It's heavy but lighter than the Vortex Razor HD. Comes with a free optional throw lever, parallax down to 15yds, 34mm main tube, reticle illumination with an off setting between brightness adjustments and it tracks PERFECTLY as what was shown in this video. Glass quality is excellent for the price. I only have 2 minor gripes; turret clicks are a little mushy but do get better with use, and the glass quality isn't good enough to easily see mirage. Aside from that, I would 100% buy this again if I had to make the decision again. It was initially advertised as an airsoft optic because the owner is an airsoft fan but it is 100% designed for real guns. They actually test their optics on a .50 BMG. I use the optic for competition long range shooting and it has performed better than I could have hoped. If I ever replace it in the future, it would only be so I can see mirage better; but the glass quality is exceptional and very bright for such a great price. I absolutely recommend it for anyone wanting to get into long range. They have a hassle-free lifetime warranty as any reputable brand should and it is a VERY feature-rich choice. Highly recommended.
@TheMotorcycleBoss7 ай бұрын
what is "mirage"? Like, what do you mean by that?
@reedehinger2636Ай бұрын
@reedehinger2636 mirage is the heat waves coming off the ground that make distant objects blurry. You can read the mirage to see how strong and what direction the wind is blowing
@TheMotorcycleBossАй бұрын
Did you contact Burris regarding the failure of the waterproof test? I'd be curious to know what their response was. I'm considering buying a couple of those Veracity PH scopes.
@ingelri27 ай бұрын
Great job as always 👍🏼👍🏼
@gold_37 ай бұрын
I watched both your Best Scopes under $500, and under $1,000 videos and appreciate you detailed reviews. I was especially interested to see that the Primary Arms 3-18 SLx & 4x16 GLx scopes did well in your test. Have you tested any of Primary Arms scopes with their ACSS Apollo 6.5 Creedmoor bullet drop compensating reticle? As the 6.5 CM is one of the top selling rifle calibers today; I'm sure there are many like me who would like to see you test & compare their 4.5-27x56 GLx & their 6-30x56 PLx rifle scopes with the ACSS Apollo reticle. I would like to see you review how well you think these scopes would work for both hunting & target shooting with the 6.5 CM. Keep up the good work!
@scottbennett76767 ай бұрын
In the price range: Arken EP4L for hunting, EP5 for targets
@karlsailor7 ай бұрын
SH4 is 300 great scope for the price
@brandonquesenberry82917 ай бұрын
Arken not really waterproof. Fail.
@paulmoss79405 ай бұрын
Great video. How about a LPVO run off for those of us interested in getting an optic for a semi auto rifle using .223 or 5.56.
@Quality_Guru7 ай бұрын
I have loved your videos. You helped me pick my wives cva and my new Ruger gen 2. Spearfishing, we got dialed in, but long range shooting, we are still learning. Was wondering what you do with the used scopes when you're done? Some of us newer shooters would not mind a High end scope with a few nicks and scrapes if you sold them when you were done. You know the old saying, Losers cant be choosers 😅. Thanks for all the info and great videos!
@travisemory13883 ай бұрын
Tracking test right out of the box is one thing, and a good test. Testing long term tracking to see if the scope acquires lag would require heavy manipulation of the turrets that these “deer hunting” scopes likely won’t experience. I was hoping to see a TRACT scope, and would like to know who declined being part of the test. I personally am fine with American assembled with Japanese glass and a scope tube machined in China to certain specs. The whole scope made in China not so much.
@chrisgunsandguitars14037 ай бұрын
You should try to include some of the bigger European scopes as well, I really enjoy Zeiss scopes for example, but also there are other premium brands like Leica or Swarovski are also popular among the higher end scopes, I's love to see a comparison including these which i and many other Europeans know and love.
@steffentysnes53027 ай бұрын
Great episode / test! Great questions / comments from the community. I'm a huge fan of the growing segment of built-in electronics😎 not sure how deep the pool is, but I think it's less than one atmosphere ; with that said immersion and rain are different. I wonder if a dose of silicone spray would help 🤔 Thanks again and please do more 🤙
@MrCclime2 ай бұрын
I’d like to see a Meopta óptica6 3-18x50 added to your testing. Where did you acquire the colomiator ?
@juanherrera26727 ай бұрын
Huge bummer about the Veracity PH. I'm stoked to pick one up soon, I don't think I'll have issues with late season snowy hunts but hopefully they figure out the waterproofing issues!
@SamEpperson937 ай бұрын
i put a veracity PH on my 7mm PRC and you are going to love just being able to range, dial to that range and then pew ( mines been through a fair amount of downpours and no water issues as of yet)
@lasthit18907 ай бұрын
@@lasthit1890how’s the glass clarity? Burris has a next gen PH with ED glass so you can get last year’s version on sale.
@charltonlwalker3 ай бұрын
What’re the odds that last night I asking myself why you haven’t made a video of 1000$ scopes! So badass
@treyg18087 ай бұрын
Jim, fantastic content as usual, best wishes from Brazil 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷 Have you tried ATN X-sight pro 4K with ABL (Balistic Calculator)?
@hxl61627 ай бұрын
I’d love to see Tract, Meopta and GPO in the lineup!
@rymoy49237 ай бұрын
Same. I've handled some of those brands in person, and they are very clear. Wish they got more coverage.
@southerncountryboy87 ай бұрын
also toss in the Athlon Ares G2 BTR 4.5-27, the Crimson Trace Hardline Pro 4-16, Trijicon Credo HX 2.5-15, and the Vortex Strike Eagle 3-18. All FFP, all with lifetime warranties.
@toddmartin39627 ай бұрын
@@toddmartin3962 the credo hx is sfp
@stanleysanders90997 ай бұрын
I would have liked to have seen the results of the tracking test after the drop test.
@bww19707 ай бұрын
Great review..!!!
@worrdogg7 ай бұрын
Awesome video. Your content is always greatly appreciated. Have you thought about doing a review on the Meopta brand scopes? i have heard alot of good things about their quality and clarity.
@kingdave9054 ай бұрын
Were these tests done in the order displayed? If so seems very fair. Great video!
@eriksforestryvision87517 ай бұрын
I would like to hear more about the Burris. But after seeing the water test and not passing I’m not sure now. Burris has no problem with warranty, I know they will replace it.
@user-wp5gr5wc6p7 ай бұрын
I've been waiting on this video and didn't even know it
@Saintalexander7977 ай бұрын
Would be interesting to see turret tests after drop test
@romansdzalbs7 ай бұрын
I actually did do that, but didn't see any changes so I didn't show it in the review. The drop test didn't seem to affect any of the scopes other than possibly the Riton.
@backfire7 ай бұрын
@@backfire thank you for information, despite pool test, still in love with PH, gonna put that on 7PRC rifle, when finally will get one in europe, hopefully from bergara or tikka
@romansdzalbs7 ай бұрын
Hi. Great to the point comparison. Where did you buy those collimators? Please tell me..been searching forever🙇🏼♂️
@dirklabuschagne4737 ай бұрын
That's crazy that any of those scopes survived that drop test. Its great to see they are that durable, I would not have expected any of them to survive that.
@fattigla7 ай бұрын
Did they survive though? The drop test should have been performed before the tracking test. Ideally they should have been checked for zero.
@buzby807 ай бұрын
@@buzby80 We actually did test tracking before AND after the drop test. No notable change, which is why it wasn't mentioned.
@backfire7 ай бұрын
@@backfireI wondered the same thing
@Ron-ni8uu4 ай бұрын
You all get so tweaked on the FFP, but for long range, you are typically using top magnification and that's what the reticles have typically been set up for when you buy a SFP scope. I literally use only two settings. All the way down for close in shots and all the way out for further shots. If you do that, you don't need the FFP. THe other nice thing is that the reticle doesn't shrink down to the itty bitty size that many of the FFP's do. For old eyes and deer hunting at least in most places, you don't need FFP or the added expense.
@MrTacklebury7 ай бұрын
Very true
@Tyanmax997 ай бұрын
I actually would almost never use max magnification when shooting long range. If you zoom in too much when shooting long range, the recoil shakes you off the target and you can't spot your impact. Top competitors in many long range disciplines are usually shooting around 12x.
@backfire7 ай бұрын
Very much disagree, shot my antelope this year at 400 yards on 8x with an FFP optic (Kahles K312i so 3x - 12x mag range), wind holds were needed and the field of view from a lower mag kept me on target. A well designed hunting FFP reticle (of which there are frankly not that many currently in market, but marketing features people don't need sells scopes) will be usable across the magnification range.
@DjLongshotxX17 ай бұрын
I would agree if the SFP scope reticle was setup to be accurate at max magnification. Typically they are setup for some mag level below max so when you go full mag you don't have accurate holdover or windage marks, or ranging marks.
@BooDamnHoo7 ай бұрын
@@BooDamnHoo I'm not familiar with an SFP scope where the subtensions aren't set up for max magnification only. Not that I'm a scope expert, but all SFP scopes I've looked at, reticles were designed around max magnification.
@yam8315 ай бұрын
Quick question: could you please include the the ARKEN EP5 5-25x56 in the next review. Kind regards and happy shooting
@josefpdx17 ай бұрын
ELP 6-24 30mm Jap glass
@davidsalsedo67657 ай бұрын
Not in same price class 750_1000 range
@Ron-ni8uu4 ай бұрын
That's the 500 price review
@Ron-ni8uu4 ай бұрын
Great work Jim.
@slpeteyAZ6 ай бұрын
The pa glx 4-16x50 is my favorite scope
@KretinD7 ай бұрын
I wish you did the drop test before the crosshair adjustment test. Seems it would have been more real world applicable for scope value and durability.
@TurboJakebrakeKingpin1697 ай бұрын
We were especially impressed with the Burris Veracity PH, which has quite a lot of electronics inside, and still passed the waterproofing test with flying colors.
@peterlowyk20565 ай бұрын
It didn’t pass the water test
@stevenwalker90135 ай бұрын
Recommend confirmatory turret tracking after torture testing. Also torture testing should be done after all the other tests are concluded to not skew results.
@justsnuggle7 ай бұрын
Personally,, I like the primary arms optics, even the 3 hundy range works well, for me
@shawngrays90877 ай бұрын
Although more difficult to compare, you should do drop testing on rifle to check zero retention. Or figure out a way to check that the zero hasn't shifted by using your tracking test lab equip with a repeatable mounting point for each optic. Zero retention should be the most important thing when assessing a rifle scope
@avondale087 ай бұрын
Wheeler makes a scope mounting kit that contains a REALLY, REALLY NICE muzzle alignment laser. That's the best way to check for zero movement.
@m4rvinmartian7 ай бұрын
Yeah, if the boresighting laser is that repeatable, then that would be a solution. The guys over at rokslide have been doing zero retention drop testing and it's amazing how few optics truly hold zero under minor impacts to scope.
@avondale087 ай бұрын
I didn't show that in the video, but I actually did test that. I zeroed the scopes on the lab test rig, and then gave the scopes a VIOLENT blow against the ground. None of the scopes had an issue retaining zero in that test.
@backfire7 ай бұрын
Thanks for clarifying :) Love the videos
@avondale087 ай бұрын
Great content.
@dtmelanson7 ай бұрын
I think you need to do a video on electronic scopes, ATN, Burris, Sig BDX line
@codyblack14987 ай бұрын
What about the new strike eagle 3-18? Its heavy, but I’d imagine it would be competitive with the options in this video
@MEDICIERIC7 ай бұрын
2 review requests if possible. 1 for rangefinding binos, 2 for higher end scopes: leupold, March ,NF, swaro, Ziess, etc. Thx
@ajd.8047 ай бұрын
I just bought an ARKEN sh4 6-24 on Amazon , new, from ARKEN, for $257!!!
@jeffreynye30197 ай бұрын
Would love to see review on Wilson combat Nula rifle
@AdamSmith-cb3dn7 ай бұрын
Appreciate your review. Just got a Bergara Crest squared in 7 PRCand ordered your new recoil pad for it. I’ve been looking at the Burris illuminates 4. What is your thoughts?
@williamhood50625 ай бұрын
No Vortex. 😭 It's ok. I just through my 3-18 Vortex Strike Eagle FFP into my pool attached to a Tikka 6.5 Arctic. Well... The gun is not waterproof. FYI.
@superseries70077 ай бұрын
very few scopes are actually rated for underwater pressure, plunging scopes in a bucket of water would have suffice. as a suggestion to complete the test would be to verify turret function etc/electronics after a 2-3 hours in the freezer
@francoisbm67857 ай бұрын
Agreed. The test was way overkill, but when there are this many companies all wanting your money, we gotta be brutal in the test to find the very best.
@backfire7 ай бұрын
Can we get a similar video with $1000-$1500 range
@sithbadboy7 ай бұрын
What about ARKEN optics? Would be awesome to see how it would compare!
@Aqulia10007 ай бұрын
I get that you can only test what you were sent, but a Vortex PST2 not in this test is a major player missing. They are readily available online for 699-899 and would compete directly against all of these. having said that, epic review. great job!
@MillerTime-4067 ай бұрын
Even the Strike Eagle...
@sk8snwmx7 ай бұрын
They have a great warranty! You’ll probably need it. Yes, I have several.
@marvinbrock9607 ай бұрын
I agree. Wish there was a few different vortex scopes in this
@Thatbcyota7 ай бұрын
The vortex venom scope would have been a great choice as well
@robturner27097 ай бұрын
@@marvinbrock960 Odd, I have 3x Vortex scopes at the moment with no issues, and the last scopes that I sent for Warranty were 2x Bushnell, an Athlon and a Leupold...
@sk8snwmx7 ай бұрын
I want to see the $1000-2000 price range
@TeensierPython7 ай бұрын
Can you do this with the day/ night vision scopes 🤙
@brom2267 ай бұрын
Dang! Best videos ever!
@kevinraymondmontgomery62622 ай бұрын
Hi great video! It would be nice to see some optics from brands like Kahles, Svarowski, Zeiss, Leica or Schmidt & Bender, as we here in Europe, tend to own optics from these manufactures as they are better quality than many of the scope manufactures I see used in the US. I’ve seen and used scopes from Hawke, Burris, Leupold, Vortex and so on and I was not impressed. I myself use Zeiss, Schmidt & Bender and Svarowski scopes on my different rifles.
@Chris4II7 ай бұрын
You need to check tracking and see if the scope lost zero post the drop test. That’s the most important test you run. You will find SWFA, Nightforce and Trijicon will be the only to pass.
@yo2stix7 ай бұрын
My only issue with the Burris Veracity PH, besides the water intrusion is that many states do not allow electronics inside of scopes, so in the state that I live in it would be illegal to use for hunting. Please make sure to add a disclaimer when recommending it for hunting that people look to make sure it’s legal where they will be using it. Really cool design/idea though!
@mc-nm6ml7 ай бұрын
what state is that?
@ryancrazy17 ай бұрын
Curious why the Veracity would be considered illegal since it's not actually doing the range finding. Without a rangefinder or rangefinding bino's the Veracity's HUD is useless. Seems like it falls in a gray area.
@Tyanmax997 ай бұрын
@Tyanmax99 We aren’t allowed to use “scopes that can receive information from any electronic device.” It connects to the app in order to setup/use, so it would be illegal. If your state lets you use it that’s awesome! I haven’t checked every states regulations, but in mine it would be illegal.
@mc-nm6ml7 ай бұрын
@@mc-nm6ml I mean, dialing in dope you calculated on an electronic device is “receiving information from an electronic device”. Unless that’s not the exact wording
@ryancrazy17 ай бұрын
Or, and hear me out, you could just be ungovernable lol
@CiviTac7 ай бұрын
I see that 22 creed hat!! When are we going to see a gun on the channel?????
@mcspivey17797 ай бұрын
Thanks for video man. I was wondering why no Arken or meaopta scopes in the test I’d like to see what you come up with on there scopes? Thanks again God bless
@SamuelBerryhill7 ай бұрын
Arken makes a great scope but they are half this cost so I didn't think it'd be fair to review them in this category. I will, however, be reviewing them in future videos. Meopta was contacted about being in this review but didn't respond.
@backfire7 ай бұрын
@@backfire okay just wondering. I’m guessing nightforce bailed out as well
@SamuelBerryhill7 ай бұрын
Half of these scope makers will probably be out of business in less than 10 years. Get a brand with staying power.
@vervi1jw15 ай бұрын
I see you picked up an Arken EPL after the pool test at 0:57 but I understand you didn't include them for pricing fairness. Can you say if the Arken survived the water at least? Great video by the way!
@trumpet1127 ай бұрын
Totally by accident I grabbed that one during that test because it was sitting near the other scopes I was testing. I’m not sure if it went into the pool or not. I didn’t use it in the rest of the test.
@backfire7 ай бұрын
@@backfire ah makes sense! Thanks for the reply
@trumpet1127 ай бұрын
I think id still strongly consider the burris. Its also a great option for anyone trying to get into the practice of dialing for your ranges instead of hold overs.
@jeremiahcoles23787 ай бұрын
Agreed. If you look at my written review on the website, I still like the Burris.
@backfire7 ай бұрын
Where is the arken scopes? Would have liked to the the epl4 compared to the primary arms as lighter weight hunting option
@Neb2457 ай бұрын
The one thing I would've loved to see...how well did they track after the drop test, and did they hold zero after the drop test? Loved the water test 🤣that's commitment
@dylanhurst34493 ай бұрын
How was the box test tracking after dropping the scopes on concrete ?
@DougBenji7 ай бұрын
don't you know turning a turret on a scope is extremely dangerous and KZhead cant be too careful!
@mikemellon807 ай бұрын
why not test the Tract optics... they have proven to be the best scopes for clarity and quality in the price range i have found by far
@davethompson17027 ай бұрын
I just picked up a Leupold VX-3HD 4-14x50 for $500. The quality is amazing.
@njgrplr20076 ай бұрын
I would like to see a Trijicon Credo added to this group
@garyscheer80177 ай бұрын
I'm just here to see if anything is superior to the Athlon Ares etr 4.5-30x56 I've been wanting...
@SVTBansheeman7 ай бұрын
The Meopta Optika 6 5-30x56 MRAD would be better for cheaper too ($799.99-$849.99) and it's not made in China.
@commonsense57097 ай бұрын
@@commonsense5709thanks, I'll research that
@SVTBansheeman7 ай бұрын
Love your channel--- can you review Tract,Apex,Meopta
@treymartin63045 ай бұрын
I'm looking for a budget lightweight scope for my new moose rifle. For reference I have a Vortex Copperhead 4-12x44 on my old moose rifle. I think it was a $100 scope at the time and maybe $129 today. It's been fine but was thinking of upgrading slightly on my new rifle (a Tikka T3x .308 with carbone fibre barrel in MDT HNT26 chassis). My main consideration for the scope is for it to be lightweight. Second consideration is price. A video with recommendation for "under $200", "under 300"...."under $500" would be great!
@acushley15 күн бұрын
Speaking of technology, Sig Sauer Sigma scopes have a digital focal plane.
@m444ss7 ай бұрын
Should have done the drop test before the tracking test, verifies the internals
@barnetts98125 ай бұрын
Have you considered doing a review of Arken Optics? I just picked up an EPL4 and would be curious for your opinions/results on this one as well.
@user-bw6uh4ss4z7 ай бұрын
I’ll second that I have the ep5 and it’s awesome would like to see a review on there new lighter Weight model for sure
@SamuelBerryhill7 ай бұрын
I have a couple Arken scopes and will certainly be reviewing them. I only didn't include them here because they are in a MUCH lower price category and I didn't think that'd be very fair.
@backfire7 ай бұрын
I have a couple Arken scopes as well and would be very interested in your feedback.@@backfire
@brad_neal7 ай бұрын
Man, iv just bought two of those Hawke scopes.
@firstglass17 ай бұрын
Would have loved to see a Swampfox in this comparison. Oveall though, this was a great video.
@StoneWall_Actual3 ай бұрын
Go to a gun range and then test the scopes most people buy, please. My guess is Vortex, Leopold Freedom, VX3, Burris. To be fair, the pool is a bit deep. IP67 rating can be fully submerged in fresh water to a depth of 0.5 m, for 30 minutes. So with the higher IP68 rating, the device has even more protection, allowing it to be submerged to a depth of 1.5 m for up to one hour.
@sappysiggy23517 ай бұрын
Man would’ve loved to see the strike eagle on here
@tvvxq_91587 ай бұрын
That's also my pic before all of these...
@sk8snwmx7 ай бұрын
Needed to test tracking after the drop that’s what really matters on the drop test
Thanks all for the support! I contacted many other companies who chose not to participate or failed to respond. I can really only review what's in front of me. Also, some companies like Arken make awesome scopes and I will definitely be reviewing them, BUT their scopes are much less expensive than these so I didn't think it'd be a fair comparison. Tried to keep everything in the $750 to $1,000 range and as close to 3-18 FFP as possible.
im curious do any of the Arken or other cheaper scopes compete with these? or is it really a "you get what you pay for" kinda deal?
What you think about Meopta optika6 3-18 ffp it should be under 1000 also
Just purchased the Tract Toric 3-15 x 44 FFP scope and it's AWESOME at $800-$900, Awhile back I found the Athlon Ares BTR Gen 2 4.5-27 x 50 for $600! It's super awesome!
I own two of the PA GLX FFP scopes and they have been excellent so far. Love the ACSS reticle!
You should do another cheap rifle test, and do different rifles compared to the ones that you have already done. Like do a cheap browning or other known brands
that drop test hurts to watch
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How the heck isn’t athlon in this race?
So bad, I cringed everytime one was dropped
@architekt8937 no locking turrets
@@Mills141 most athlon have locking turrets. The helos gen2 btr does for sure
I'm curious if you reported the water failure to Burris and if yes, what was the response? This was an awesome test, thank you
The fact that you arent allowed to show us the turret being twisted is just wild. I would love for youtube to explain the reasoning just to humor me. Awesome vid as always!
You can, he is just being super cautious
He said he’s been demonetized for that in the past. Just shows how much YT loves the year 84 from the 20th century
@@reabralop It took me a second.... But I see what you did there!
Good test. I would be interested in the scopes ability to track and hold zero pre and post drop. That seems to be a bigger issue than out of the box. If a scope doesn’t track out of the box that seems to be a non starter.
Thanks for doing these tests for us Jim. Keep up the good work!
You need to include Vortex and Leupold Scopes in this. Thanks!
We know they're good, why would they donate a scope for things they've already tested?
Well vortex's only optic that really lines up here is the Strike Eagle 3-18ffp... Leupold doesn't really have anything. Closest would be vx3hd 4.5-14 sub 1k... technically a non side adjust, non fire dot, and non cds vx5hd 3-15, but both of those are SFP
He literally says why they’re not in here. In addition to Nikon, I might add.
Nikon no makee scopes no mo. I like the older ones.@@taylortisaac
Primary arms has been making so good scopes as of late. I have one on my 6.5 (PLx) and it looks so nice. I just couldnt justify going Razor HD price over it.
Absolutely fantastic review! I would love to see the same review, for top tier scopes from the top manufacturers.
Thank you for your research and doing the community a service by keeping us informed. My jaw dropped along with that scope drop test! haha. You sir have my respect! (and sub and like)
I appreciate your time, your work, your skills.
Please please do the best scopes regardless of price. I’d love to hear what you have to say! Thank you for such amazing content!
This video is a prime example of "I love your content, even though it does not apply to me." Most of my scopes are 1-6x, or 2-7x24mm. I love the Athlon BTR series. You should see the looks I get from techno hunters out in the sage or up in the mountains, with their 3lb 6-24x50mm scopes. I am ethically the "fair chase only" type. I do not hunt from blinds, or sit on water or food. I despise road hunters, unless they are genuinely physically disabled. Spot and stalk. Thus, weight is important to me. Also, since I do not shoot over 450 yards, 99% of my big game kills have been at 4x mag. Just works for me. I also do not share your love of chassis rifles, composites, Cerakote, etc. Give me a Win 70 Supergrade in maple any day. I love your content, keep it up. Side note: last year out Mulie hunting in our big, wide sage canyons, I came upon a guy who was lugging a 28" Palma barrel UberLoudenBoomer, that had to 13lbs if it was an ounce. Giant scope, like 3 sun shades on it, a tacticool green chassis of some kind, chambered in 30 Nosler. He took one look at my Tikka T3x Hunter 243 Win, 20" barrel, with an Athlon BTR 2-7X24 it, asked to handle it. He laughed at first when I told him 243, until I showed him a vid of that rifle knocking down a mulie at 373 yards. He offered to trade me on the spot. We were up high, and could see where we were parked, about 3 miles away. Last I saw of him, he had his rifle tied to his giant pack, sweating balls while I cruised on by. Bet this year he has a different rifle/optic.
Excellent video as always Jim, thank you for all your hard work. I am that much wiser after takin in your videos. Thanks from Canada
Thanks Jim and Crew...Awesome information and on my way to the blog post!! 👍👍
Your reviews are so great..that now we need a review on scopes under $2,000.
Thank for the review. I am looking to buy a new scope for a semi-precision rifle and I am looking at scopes in all price ranges. This was a great review and I learned a lot.
Thanks for your hard work and videos!!!
Ive Never used the Arken Optics, but, LOVE the PA GLx4 2.5-10x/4-16x. Great turrets and reticle along with glass thats
For where I hunt a 4x is not low enough. Most shots in my area are under 100yd and many are under 100ft. Hunting in the woods is really very different than on grassland or mountains.
I thought Trijicon Accupoint should maybe be in your tests. Cool to see primary arms in the top, I think when doing the drop test it should be done 3-10 times to have consistency possibly.
Would love to see the same but for PRS scopes. Great video!
hugely appreciate the work here, great video. Really wish the big guys would have participated as I'm not really willing to step outside of the big 3-4
Excellent video and review that demonstrates why KZhead can be so valuable in making the most of your hard- earned money.
Arken EP5 would be my choice.
My buddy put one on his Barrett as a joke. And it has stayed there because it’s great. We all thought it would die
I’ve had 6 Arkens. All 6 have been sent back.
For first focal plane scopes, do you check that the reticle subtensions line up with the calibrated equipment throughout the magnification range?
I own the Element Titan 5-25x56 FFP and have for about a year now. It's heavy but lighter than the Vortex Razor HD. Comes with a free optional throw lever, parallax down to 15yds, 34mm main tube, reticle illumination with an off setting between brightness adjustments and it tracks PERFECTLY as what was shown in this video. Glass quality is excellent for the price. I only have 2 minor gripes; turret clicks are a little mushy but do get better with use, and the glass quality isn't good enough to easily see mirage. Aside from that, I would 100% buy this again if I had to make the decision again. It was initially advertised as an airsoft optic because the owner is an airsoft fan but it is 100% designed for real guns. They actually test their optics on a .50 BMG. I use the optic for competition long range shooting and it has performed better than I could have hoped. If I ever replace it in the future, it would only be so I can see mirage better; but the glass quality is exceptional and very bright for such a great price. I absolutely recommend it for anyone wanting to get into long range. They have a hassle-free lifetime warranty as any reputable brand should and it is a VERY feature-rich choice. Highly recommended.
what is "mirage"? Like, what do you mean by that?
@reedehinger2636 mirage is the heat waves coming off the ground that make distant objects blurry. You can read the mirage to see how strong and what direction the wind is blowing
Did you contact Burris regarding the failure of the waterproof test? I'd be curious to know what their response was. I'm considering buying a couple of those Veracity PH scopes.
Great job as always 👍🏼👍🏼
I watched both your Best Scopes under $500, and under $1,000 videos and appreciate you detailed reviews. I was especially interested to see that the Primary Arms 3-18 SLx & 4x16 GLx scopes did well in your test. Have you tested any of Primary Arms scopes with their ACSS Apollo 6.5 Creedmoor bullet drop compensating reticle? As the 6.5 CM is one of the top selling rifle calibers today; I'm sure there are many like me who would like to see you test & compare their 4.5-27x56 GLx & their 6-30x56 PLx rifle scopes with the ACSS Apollo reticle. I would like to see you review how well you think these scopes would work for both hunting & target shooting with the 6.5 CM. Keep up the good work!
In the price range: Arken EP4L for hunting, EP5 for targets
SH4 is 300 great scope for the price
Arken not really waterproof. Fail.
Great video. How about a LPVO run off for those of us interested in getting an optic for a semi auto rifle using .223 or 5.56.
I have loved your videos. You helped me pick my wives cva and my new Ruger gen 2. Spearfishing, we got dialed in, but long range shooting, we are still learning. Was wondering what you do with the used scopes when you're done? Some of us newer shooters would not mind a High end scope with a few nicks and scrapes if you sold them when you were done. You know the old saying, Losers cant be choosers 😅. Thanks for all the info and great videos!
Tracking test right out of the box is one thing, and a good test. Testing long term tracking to see if the scope acquires lag would require heavy manipulation of the turrets that these “deer hunting” scopes likely won’t experience. I was hoping to see a TRACT scope, and would like to know who declined being part of the test. I personally am fine with American assembled with Japanese glass and a scope tube machined in China to certain specs. The whole scope made in China not so much.
You should try to include some of the bigger European scopes as well, I really enjoy Zeiss scopes for example, but also there are other premium brands like Leica or Swarovski are also popular among the higher end scopes, I's love to see a comparison including these which i and many other Europeans know and love.
Great episode / test! Great questions / comments from the community. I'm a huge fan of the growing segment of built-in electronics😎 not sure how deep the pool is, but I think it's less than one atmosphere ; with that said immersion and rain are different. I wonder if a dose of silicone spray would help 🤔 Thanks again and please do more 🤙
I’d like to see a Meopta óptica6 3-18x50 added to your testing. Where did you acquire the colomiator ?
Huge bummer about the Veracity PH. I'm stoked to pick one up soon, I don't think I'll have issues with late season snowy hunts but hopefully they figure out the waterproofing issues!
i put a veracity PH on my 7mm PRC and you are going to love just being able to range, dial to that range and then pew ( mines been through a fair amount of downpours and no water issues as of yet)
@@lasthit1890how’s the glass clarity? Burris has a next gen PH with ED glass so you can get last year’s version on sale.
What’re the odds that last night I asking myself why you haven’t made a video of 1000$ scopes! So badass
Jim, fantastic content as usual, best wishes from Brazil 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷 Have you tried ATN X-sight pro 4K with ABL (Balistic Calculator)?
I’d love to see Tract, Meopta and GPO in the lineup!
Same. I've handled some of those brands in person, and they are very clear. Wish they got more coverage.
also toss in the Athlon Ares G2 BTR 4.5-27, the Crimson Trace Hardline Pro 4-16, Trijicon Credo HX 2.5-15, and the Vortex Strike Eagle 3-18. All FFP, all with lifetime warranties.
@@toddmartin3962 the credo hx is sfp
I would have liked to have seen the results of the tracking test after the drop test.
Great review..!!!
Awesome video. Your content is always greatly appreciated. Have you thought about doing a review on the Meopta brand scopes? i have heard alot of good things about their quality and clarity.
Were these tests done in the order displayed? If so seems very fair. Great video!
I would like to hear more about the Burris. But after seeing the water test and not passing I’m not sure now. Burris has no problem with warranty, I know they will replace it.
I've been waiting on this video and didn't even know it
Would be interesting to see turret tests after drop test
I actually did do that, but didn't see any changes so I didn't show it in the review. The drop test didn't seem to affect any of the scopes other than possibly the Riton.
@@backfire thank you for information, despite pool test, still in love with PH, gonna put that on 7PRC rifle, when finally will get one in europe, hopefully from bergara or tikka
Hi. Great to the point comparison. Where did you buy those collimators? Please tell me..been searching forever🙇🏼♂️
That's crazy that any of those scopes survived that drop test. Its great to see they are that durable, I would not have expected any of them to survive that.
Did they survive though? The drop test should have been performed before the tracking test. Ideally they should have been checked for zero.
@@buzby80 We actually did test tracking before AND after the drop test. No notable change, which is why it wasn't mentioned.
@@backfireI wondered the same thing
You all get so tweaked on the FFP, but for long range, you are typically using top magnification and that's what the reticles have typically been set up for when you buy a SFP scope. I literally use only two settings. All the way down for close in shots and all the way out for further shots. If you do that, you don't need the FFP. THe other nice thing is that the reticle doesn't shrink down to the itty bitty size that many of the FFP's do. For old eyes and deer hunting at least in most places, you don't need FFP or the added expense.
Very true
I actually would almost never use max magnification when shooting long range. If you zoom in too much when shooting long range, the recoil shakes you off the target and you can't spot your impact. Top competitors in many long range disciplines are usually shooting around 12x.
Very much disagree, shot my antelope this year at 400 yards on 8x with an FFP optic (Kahles K312i so 3x - 12x mag range), wind holds were needed and the field of view from a lower mag kept me on target. A well designed hunting FFP reticle (of which there are frankly not that many currently in market, but marketing features people don't need sells scopes) will be usable across the magnification range.
I would agree if the SFP scope reticle was setup to be accurate at max magnification. Typically they are setup for some mag level below max so when you go full mag you don't have accurate holdover or windage marks, or ranging marks.
@@BooDamnHoo I'm not familiar with an SFP scope where the subtensions aren't set up for max magnification only. Not that I'm a scope expert, but all SFP scopes I've looked at, reticles were designed around max magnification.
Quick question: could you please include the the ARKEN EP5 5-25x56 in the next review. Kind regards and happy shooting
ELP 6-24 30mm Jap glass
Not in same price class 750_1000 range
That's the 500 price review
Great work Jim.
The pa glx 4-16x50 is my favorite scope
I wish you did the drop test before the crosshair adjustment test. Seems it would have been more real world applicable for scope value and durability.
We were especially impressed with the Burris Veracity PH, which has quite a lot of electronics inside, and still passed the waterproofing test with flying colors.
It didn’t pass the water test
Recommend confirmatory turret tracking after torture testing. Also torture testing should be done after all the other tests are concluded to not skew results.
Personally,, I like the primary arms optics, even the 3 hundy range works well, for me
Although more difficult to compare, you should do drop testing on rifle to check zero retention. Or figure out a way to check that the zero hasn't shifted by using your tracking test lab equip with a repeatable mounting point for each optic. Zero retention should be the most important thing when assessing a rifle scope
Wheeler makes a scope mounting kit that contains a REALLY, REALLY NICE muzzle alignment laser. That's the best way to check for zero movement.
Yeah, if the boresighting laser is that repeatable, then that would be a solution. The guys over at rokslide have been doing zero retention drop testing and it's amazing how few optics truly hold zero under minor impacts to scope.
I didn't show that in the video, but I actually did test that. I zeroed the scopes on the lab test rig, and then gave the scopes a VIOLENT blow against the ground. None of the scopes had an issue retaining zero in that test.
Thanks for clarifying :) Love the videos
Great content.
I think you need to do a video on electronic scopes, ATN, Burris, Sig BDX line
What about the new strike eagle 3-18? Its heavy, but I’d imagine it would be competitive with the options in this video
2 review requests if possible. 1 for rangefinding binos, 2 for higher end scopes: leupold, March ,NF, swaro, Ziess, etc. Thx
I just bought an ARKEN sh4 6-24 on Amazon , new, from ARKEN, for $257!!!
Would love to see review on Wilson combat Nula rifle
Appreciate your review. Just got a Bergara Crest squared in 7 PRCand ordered your new recoil pad for it. I’ve been looking at the Burris illuminates 4. What is your thoughts?
No Vortex. 😭 It's ok. I just through my 3-18 Vortex Strike Eagle FFP into my pool attached to a Tikka 6.5 Arctic. Well... The gun is not waterproof. FYI.
very few scopes are actually rated for underwater pressure, plunging scopes in a bucket of water would have suffice. as a suggestion to complete the test would be to verify turret function etc/electronics after a 2-3 hours in the freezer
Agreed. The test was way overkill, but when there are this many companies all wanting your money, we gotta be brutal in the test to find the very best.
Can we get a similar video with $1000-$1500 range
What about ARKEN optics? Would be awesome to see how it would compare!
I get that you can only test what you were sent, but a Vortex PST2 not in this test is a major player missing. They are readily available online for 699-899 and would compete directly against all of these. having said that, epic review. great job!
Even the Strike Eagle...
They have a great warranty! You’ll probably need it. Yes, I have several.
I agree. Wish there was a few different vortex scopes in this
The vortex venom scope would have been a great choice as well
@@marvinbrock960 Odd, I have 3x Vortex scopes at the moment with no issues, and the last scopes that I sent for Warranty were 2x Bushnell, an Athlon and a Leupold...
I want to see the $1000-2000 price range
Can you do this with the day/ night vision scopes 🤙
Dang! Best videos ever!
Hi great video! It would be nice to see some optics from brands like Kahles, Svarowski, Zeiss, Leica or Schmidt & Bender, as we here in Europe, tend to own optics from these manufactures as they are better quality than many of the scope manufactures I see used in the US. I’ve seen and used scopes from Hawke, Burris, Leupold, Vortex and so on and I was not impressed. I myself use Zeiss, Schmidt & Bender and Svarowski scopes on my different rifles.
You need to check tracking and see if the scope lost zero post the drop test. That’s the most important test you run. You will find SWFA, Nightforce and Trijicon will be the only to pass.
My only issue with the Burris Veracity PH, besides the water intrusion is that many states do not allow electronics inside of scopes, so in the state that I live in it would be illegal to use for hunting. Please make sure to add a disclaimer when recommending it for hunting that people look to make sure it’s legal where they will be using it. Really cool design/idea though!
what state is that?
Curious why the Veracity would be considered illegal since it's not actually doing the range finding. Without a rangefinder or rangefinding bino's the Veracity's HUD is useless. Seems like it falls in a gray area.
@Tyanmax99 We aren’t allowed to use “scopes that can receive information from any electronic device.” It connects to the app in order to setup/use, so it would be illegal. If your state lets you use it that’s awesome! I haven’t checked every states regulations, but in mine it would be illegal.
@@mc-nm6ml I mean, dialing in dope you calculated on an electronic device is “receiving information from an electronic device”. Unless that’s not the exact wording
Or, and hear me out, you could just be ungovernable lol
I see that 22 creed hat!! When are we going to see a gun on the channel?????
Thanks for video man. I was wondering why no Arken or meaopta scopes in the test I’d like to see what you come up with on there scopes? Thanks again God bless
Arken makes a great scope but they are half this cost so I didn't think it'd be fair to review them in this category. I will, however, be reviewing them in future videos. Meopta was contacted about being in this review but didn't respond.
@@backfire okay just wondering. I’m guessing nightforce bailed out as well
Half of these scope makers will probably be out of business in less than 10 years. Get a brand with staying power.
I see you picked up an Arken EPL after the pool test at 0:57 but I understand you didn't include them for pricing fairness. Can you say if the Arken survived the water at least? Great video by the way!
Totally by accident I grabbed that one during that test because it was sitting near the other scopes I was testing. I’m not sure if it went into the pool or not. I didn’t use it in the rest of the test.
@@backfire ah makes sense! Thanks for the reply
I think id still strongly consider the burris. Its also a great option for anyone trying to get into the practice of dialing for your ranges instead of hold overs.
Agreed. If you look at my written review on the website, I still like the Burris.
Where is the arken scopes? Would have liked to the the epl4 compared to the primary arms as lighter weight hunting option
The one thing I would've loved to see...how well did they track after the drop test, and did they hold zero after the drop test? Loved the water test 🤣that's commitment
How was the box test tracking after dropping the scopes on concrete ?
don't you know turning a turret on a scope is extremely dangerous and KZhead cant be too careful!
why not test the Tract optics... they have proven to be the best scopes for clarity and quality in the price range i have found by far
I just picked up a Leupold VX-3HD 4-14x50 for $500. The quality is amazing.
I would like to see a Trijicon Credo added to this group
I'm just here to see if anything is superior to the Athlon Ares etr 4.5-30x56 I've been wanting...
The Meopta Optika 6 5-30x56 MRAD would be better for cheaper too ($799.99-$849.99) and it's not made in China.
@@commonsense5709thanks, I'll research that
Love your channel--- can you review Tract,Apex,Meopta
I'm looking for a budget lightweight scope for my new moose rifle. For reference I have a Vortex Copperhead 4-12x44 on my old moose rifle. I think it was a $100 scope at the time and maybe $129 today. It's been fine but was thinking of upgrading slightly on my new rifle (a Tikka T3x .308 with carbone fibre barrel in MDT HNT26 chassis). My main consideration for the scope is for it to be lightweight. Second consideration is price. A video with recommendation for "under $200", "under 300"...."under $500" would be great!
Speaking of technology, Sig Sauer Sigma scopes have a digital focal plane.
Should have done the drop test before the tracking test, verifies the internals
Have you considered doing a review of Arken Optics? I just picked up an EPL4 and would be curious for your opinions/results on this one as well.
I’ll second that I have the ep5 and it’s awesome would like to see a review on there new lighter Weight model for sure
I have a couple Arken scopes and will certainly be reviewing them. I only didn't include them here because they are in a MUCH lower price category and I didn't think that'd be very fair.
I have a couple Arken scopes as well and would be very interested in your feedback.@@backfire
Man, iv just bought two of those Hawke scopes.
Would have loved to see a Swampfox in this comparison. Oveall though, this was a great video.
Go to a gun range and then test the scopes most people buy, please. My guess is Vortex, Leopold Freedom, VX3, Burris. To be fair, the pool is a bit deep. IP67 rating can be fully submerged in fresh water to a depth of 0.5 m, for 30 minutes. So with the higher IP68 rating, the device has even more protection, allowing it to be submerged to a depth of 1.5 m for up to one hour.
Man would’ve loved to see the strike eagle on here
That's also my pic before all of these...
Needed to test tracking after the drop that’s what really matters on the drop test