TFP Ultra Magnus Has Emotions
This is the ultimate character summary and analysis of Ultra Magnus in Transformers Prime. He's not the dry and stiff character you might believe him to be! He has a nice character arc with Wheeljack in season 3 and reveals many subtle signs that he is a caring person
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I am sorry but I hate him for disrepecting wheeljack
Ok I take it back wth wheeljack
Thank you
Unrelated note, I wonder if ROTB will have this much character nuance, the new director seems to have a lot of love for the franchise and has expressed wanting to introduce character development and focus to the bots which sounds groundbreaking for the movies And I also wonder, you like the aligned continuity but do you ever think of doing analysis for other TF shows?
Well , ultra Magnus is a commander who had to surpress his emotions to keep fighting on a gruesome war , his introvert nature is understandable
Not just any commander, he was in charge of the Wreckers and formerly the Elite Guard. The bot had the toughest job as commander of the Autobot's best forces so it's expected of him to maintain discipline and be a good example to his troops.
@@electricfeverx976 Yes , and actually as a kid you may find him boring or fun killer but as an adult you see him as the correct person and as good adult role model
To me if i was to write Ultra magnus would've had him angry and annoyed Optimus was pick to have the Matrix of leadership instead of him with him feeling Optimus unfit to be leader due to his history of being a book guy I would've had him make his own group called the Wreckers as his own Autobots feeling Optimus would never be a leader in his eyes and the Autobots are living a fools battle with him as leader
@@comicbookreviewer4856 Soo Ultra Magnus will be more like Bayverse Ironhide or Sentinel like a Ruthless Leader with no mercy ?
@@lazlonazario2499 The way I would do Ultra Magnus is still have Mercy but having a group of transformers he feels should not be led by Optimus and having a team who can get the job done by any means even if it something he might not want but needs to be done
Was i the only one who actually liked magnus as a kid. I liked both magnus and wheeljack, both were fun characters with depth
I actually liked Ultra Magnus as a kid. He's actually one of my favorite characters, although not in the top 10 but still
I loved him
No, I enjoyed his character as well. Even though I never knew much about military formality as a kid I did know that Autobots and Decepticons were at war with each other. As a young adult who later joined the military I completely understand Ultra Magnus perspective, he simply wants the Autobots to have some measure of discipline and focus because they're definitely going to need it for the difficult fight ahead of them, especially since their side is highly fractured.
I actually liked Ultra Magnus as a kid when watching TF Prime. I even brought a voyager class ultra magnus toy from the transformers prime robots in disguise toyline back when I was a kid.
I liked him too. He uplifted my spirits despite his demeanor
I agree Ultra Magnus should’ve gotten more attention in the movie, dude was unironically my favourite character in G1 besides Bluestreak and Skyfire, and Michael Ironside did a FANTASTIC Ultra Magnus, leaning really hard into his persona from Starship Troopers.
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Ultra Magnus shows concern by saying an individual is being reckless or breaking a rule. That's just how he acts.
Apparently, to some beings, thinking before acting is a waste of time and weak.
I always liked that Ultra Magnus is not just another TFA Sentinel, he's just kind of the outsider and is stern and that slows morale at first cause he reintroduces it to a team that's learned to work more casually, but his attention to protocol is never shown being ineffective or in the wrong, or leaving him incompetant when things go south like some stories do. And I also like how courageous he can be and how Wheeljack gets to see that and accept him, the other four have kind of already worked with him before, it makes sense they're just bystanders to the conflicts. I might've watched this when I was 12 but Magnus' never felt like a stick in the mud. Sometimes I think he models himself after Optimus but doesn't have the same experiences. Its very humanizing.
People tend to dislike a character when they’re inconsiderate of the experiences the character had to go through that formed their personality.
@@arcticangel1628 I think that applies to real life too, especially if they seem overly harsh or eccentric while others that have been there longer like them
He is also actually competent, which is rather consistent with his depiction, beside the rid one from the early 2000s
He’s like Optimus but lacks the emotions and empathy due to suppressing it. While he may seems cold and unlikeable, he’s just following Cybertronian Military Code. He’s caring but show it differently, he’s kind but show it in his usual gruff manner
@@kennethsatria6607 Yes.
My dad would joke that “the drill sergeant may not be the one you invite to poker nights, but he’s the one you’ll thank after battle.”
kinda funny how Ultra Magnus and Shockwave ended up fighting, seeing as how they're both two high-ranking cripples wounded by a cybertronian beast in a previous fight
Said beasts happened cause Shockwave happened
They honestly couldn't have picked a more perfect voice actor for Ultra Magnus, and yet he definitely feels wasted. Getting his ass handed by Megatron, Predaking, being absent for most of the finale episode and then being too wounded after two lesser Predacons claw at him.
Yeah they wasted Magnus
@@zemox2534 I feel they did the same with Smookescreen as being a potential replacement leader- however it was understandable that the writers did not wan to repeat the G1 movie again- until Beast Hunters. Also the fanmade animation for Tf prime is adding Hotrod who we know has been a leader before as Rodimus Prime. The fact that Bumblebee, Smookescreen, Hotrod and Ultra Magnus been solved aside for Optimus is a constant annoyance
TBF nobody was able to defeat Predaking in the entire series. Only Unicron did.
@@anjaneyasreetrout2444 I mean. Megatron outsmarted him, so there's that. He definitely got overpowered by Predaking, so 50/50
@@dj11o9er9it was not smartness, it was cowardice he couldn't beat predaking alone without starscream
Honestly, this version of Ultra Magnus is a very interesting one and one of my favorite ! The contrast between him and Optimus was really interesting, his sense of duty gets over everything yet he just wants the best for the Autobots and feels truly responsible for the man under his commands; to the point where to him, discipline is the only way the keep most people out of danger, even if it means treating them as soldiers more than individuals. I also thinks he was changed by the war, showing less and less emotions over time, once again because any mistakes he make can endanger the lives of many Autobot,s and now even humans. I like the way he knows he's no Optimus, he is self-aware of his flaws, questioning his way of leading the others in battle and how it impact the team well being. Ultra Magnus, could have been handle slightly better in the first episodes he appeared in and should’ve gotten more attention in the movie, but he's still a well written character in my opinion.
Wheeljack - Almost kills Miko and Jack. Ultra Magnus - Dissaproves of homicidal games where a giant metal scrap ball is being thrown around in a room full of small organic and squishable beings. Wheeljack - Haha your such a killjoy Magnus ... Also Wheeljack - Endangering tiny humans by bringing them into a war with giant technologically advanced robotic lifeforms. Wheeljack - Almost kills multiple people by being reckless. Need we more evidence to bench this dude.
I gained more appreciation for the aligned incarnation of Ultra Magnus after watching TFA. It makes me wish we got to see more character development on his side towards this direction.
19:35 Ironic, Michael Ironside said that same thing in an X-Men movie where he and a bunch of other soldiers were about to die.
real transformers the movie vibes when ultra magnus is getting fixed.
"OPEN DAMN IT!"
Optimus states when he spoke about learning the concept of family, that it was a human concept. It's highly likely that Optimus was once just as much of a stern traditionalist military leader as Ultra Magnus was when he was introduced. In this way, it gives his growth another layer of depth. Optimus sees family as a human concept, and has modelled his leadership around what he learned. If Optimus, back when training Magnus, had already been the way he is at that point in the show, it is likely that Magnus would have emulated that, and been more successful leading the other autobots in the show when he was the one in command. Megatron telling Magnus that he isn't Optimus is significant because of 2 things: 1: Magnus is trying to be Optimus. He is trying to emulate his teacher because his teacher gave him a solid foundation to build upon, and has up until recently, been very successful against hopeless odds. He stuck to what his leader taught him because it had been effective. He was just missing one piece of the puzzle. 2: The Optimus he knew before they reunited, the Optimus he was trying to be, has gained new perspectives from his experiences that have made him an even better leader, and his attempts to be the next Optimus were ironically impossible because of what he had learned from Optimus prior to this. Magnus was trying to be the Optimus that hadn't learned these lessons. His struggles with balancing strict leadership with the individuality of the other autobots and their tendencies to not stick to a strict plan, are because he wasn't trying to be an individual. He was trying to do something that present Optimus would teach him not to do: trying to be someone else, and not ever deviating from the rules, even when it would be effective. Interestingly enough, one of the ways in which his individuality is shown is ironically the part of him that is most identical to Optimus: worrying about others. Both have had moments where worrying about others in the heat of the moment has given the enemy the advantage. Both of them would put themselves in harm's way to spare others, and see it as their responsibility to face overwhelming odds to protect others. This is one of my favorite parts of his character. He is unlike Optimus in the ways he tries to emulate him, yet almost identical in the most individualistic traits he shows. The more he is himself, the more he is like the hero he looks up to.
I will admit, when I first saw Ultra Magnus as a kid, I didn't like him at first, but not because of the way he treated Wheeljack (I honestly didn't like Wheeljack much as a kid either), I didn't like him because, in my mind, he only saw Team Prime as soldiers and nothing else. Yes, they are fighting a war so they are still technically soldiers, but when he is first introduced, he hasn't worked with Team Prime all together before, and here he comes barging in, immediately taking over the team. But after seeing him relinquish command back to Optimus, and seeing him trying to change his ways, I realized he wasn't that bad of a guy at all, and I started liking him more, especially as I grew up.
Yeah since times have changed since the Autobots have been on cybertron he has seen the the autobots are haven humans alliances to help
That the thing Audreyyoung when we are kids we see someone has a bad guy or the immature one only to realize Now older and being in the supporting role in the family or being seen as the ideal part of the team that they are just people trying to be the voice of reason or trying to get others to see or understand things more clearly as you can't see things as a kid forever
12 yr old me: I hate Ultra Magnus. Me now: oh, I am an ultra Magnus
I’m really annoyed they couldn’t craft Ultra Magnus a better replacement hand. MECH made Nemesis Prime. Humans. The Autobots wouldn’t even have had to build from scratch. Just take Nemesis Prime’s body from storage.
Agreed he was a needed character for Wheeljack's development and others.
I have to agree with you on that one since Wheeljack and smokescreen where like Teenage Kids Ultra Magnus was this drill sergeant type character
Ultra Magnus deserves more respect
I'm not a military man but I think soldiers would usually prefer their officers or leaders to be serious and fair like Ultra Magnus considering that they're the ones sending them in. I think people who run off like Wheeljack are usually frowned upon in a setting like that. Heck in a normal workplace, someone who is rude and openly disrespects their superiors usually doesn't last long unless they have some kind of connection.
They're not just soldiers, they're the soldiers who survived the apocalypse
Movies: Weird lips Animated: Weird chins Prime: Weird eyebrows
So THIS Ultra Magnus CAN deal with that.
What you said about Wheeljack actually made me think: more often than not, modern media depicts any kind of rebellion as positive. I'm not saying that fighting for what you are or what you believe in is wrong, I'm saying that you should develop crytical thinking and pick which rules you should rebel against and which rules might have reasons to be there in the first place. You rightfully pointed out your firefighter BG, and I think it really fits! Rescue situations and battlefield situations are extremely similar in a way: both are team efforts in which communication, cohordination and a clear chain of command are fundamental to get to the desired end goal. Again, I'm not saying that indipendent thinking is bad, but discarding orders by default is just bad.
19:35 Ironic, Michael Ironside said that same thing in an X-Men movie where he and a bunch of other soldiers were about to die.
Both wheeljack and magnus are wrong. They are at extremes
“I did not authorize him to advance without proper cover” The first time I watched this I realized he was thinking about his safety
TFP Magnus is and always will be one of my favorite characters! 💙💙💙 He’s stoic, brave, and has depth! I love how he goes from limiting his emotional attachment with a strict chain of command, to learning about the concept of family and truly loving his team 💖
People tend to dislike a character when they’re inconsiderate of the experiences the character had to go through that former their personality.
I see Ultra Magnus is like scorched soldier that been through a lot, literally lives by the army and doesn't need someones adoration
He’s like benson from regular show. You didn’t like him as a kid, but you can understand and relate to him as you grow older.
The whole "everybody isn't screwed if the commander goes down" bit is actually spot on.
Predaking is just ridiculously OP. Its not about winning, its about how long you can last or deal damage.
Ultra Magnus providing his ship and weapons were enough to win me over. In the words of Wheeljack, he was "speaking my language" lol As much as I disliked how he restricted Wheeljack and Miko, I did appreciate the new blood and personality, similar to how Smokescreen would sometimes get on my nerves but I was still happy to have him as an addition to the team, even as a kid Wheeljack and Ultra Magnus working together will forever be one of the coolest action moments and greatest character moments in all of Transformers media, and I will die on that hill lol
He deserves better.
I ain't gonna lie when I saw Wheeljack acting so reckless and Ultra Magnus calls him out I actually agreed with him. I get he's a wrecker and is a lone wolf, but if the young hotshot rookie like Smokescreen knows better not to bring Jack, a person who proved himself the most out of all of the humans, onto a possible battlefield then a veteran like Wheeljack should know better too. He nearly killed Miko, brought her on a mission knowing cons were probably there, and nearly got Ultra Magnus and Bulkhead killed. And yet what makes it worse is that Bulkhead kept defending him from Magnus. Like Bulkhead in the past 2 seasons would've been more like Arcee when she found out Smokescreen brought Jack on a possibel dangerous area, yet he doesn't call him out. This not only seems like character assassination on both wreckers, but also makes me sympathize with Ultra Magnus even more. Especially since this is a military unit and acting on your own can get you and your team killed.
People tend to dislike a character when they’re inconsiderate of the experiences the character had to go through that former their personality.
@@arcticangel1628 I haven't read the books, but from what the show tells me Wheeljack bailed on the wreckers a little after Ultra Magnus took charge. I don't know how he treated the other wreckers, but what we've seen with Team Prime Ultra Magnus is unnecessary cruel or even results to insults. He actually only wants to do what is necessary and nothing that would compromise the safety of his teammates. Wheeljack chose to leave. Nobody forced him out. Like the video says Wheeljack's loner style nearly got him, Bulkhead, and other people killed on multiple occasions. And it's not that I entirely dislike him it's more as if I dislike how the show wrote him when it came with Ultra Magnus.
0:00-0:05 nah that goes to tailgate he was only on screen for like 2 seconds
Could he even be counted when all we saw of him was a shadow at most lmao?
@@electricfeverx976 what about Seaspray?
@Electric Fever X episode 12 predatory around 10 :55 you see more than a shadow you see his whole body
@@ironhorsehistorian9871 Nope we never saw Seaspray, Roadbuster or Firestar
I think Ultra Magnus has this sort of strict parental aspect to him where he cares for you but he also thinks that if your going to do something your going to do it right. Like the said in the video he doesn't want the praise but if you choose to praise him your going to do it right.
THEY! I CAN NEVER TYPE!
14:00 TRUE. If it weren't for Bulkhead and Wheeljack going "It's Wrecking Time" UM had good rhythm vs Predaking.
They did Wreck something, Magnus' advantage and rhythm
I think youre right,as a kid i never really liked ultra Magnus as a character,but i loved the design seeing the show right now i think that he is a good character now
I still can't believe they just left Ultra Magnus unconscious by the end of the movie.
He did regain consciousness in RID 2015 comics and came back with arcee and bulkhead. Strongarm was fan girling her
@@blueraccoon1088 in which epispde
I work with difficult dogs, and honestly, the exact same principles apply. If you're too soft and nice, you won't have the respect you need to get a dog to work with you. But when you're firm and strict, you're also consistent and fair. It's that consistency that helps dogs know exactly what to do. It's not being mean to them. It's just for their own good.
Ultra LITERALLY GOT his Hand obliterated by Predaking in pain so...yeah, that's when i knew that Generals like him have emotions too.
I loved Magnus in TFP - every time I rewatch I get happy when he comes in. I always felt bad in the episode where Optimus comes back and is so well loved and Magnus is left standing alone - wondering if his way of commanding is the right way. He was a just bot and like Wheeljack said, fought like a Wrecker.
Them shoulder pads though
He is kind and caring,but doesn't know how to be not after what he had endured from his time in warfare
Wheeljack will always be my favorite Autobot Character in Transformers. I loved his clashes with Ultra Magnus!
I swear, when Ultra Magnus had that hammer, he was just playing Monster Hunter. He seems like a good hammer main if he kept going.
I love Magnus in this show. He’s a powerful Autobot commander. Magnus simply enforces the rules strictly until he realizes it’s better to try and work with the personalities of team prime instead of against them. Not to mention they seem to relax more across the 3rd season, being far more friendly to the team by the end of the series. I can’t help but respect a commander that can work with his team, stay cool under pressure, and take on heavy hitters like Shockwave or even Megatron.
As an autistic kid, it’s kind of hard for me to understand where Ultra Magnus, and why he was so controlling. But yeah, like people are saying in the comments, we came to understand him more as we grew. Now, as an autistic teen that over thinks everything, Wheeljack is more unreasonable than magnus. Sure, he’s cold and seems mean, but it’s war he’s dealing with, and there isn’t much time to goof off. A well structured plan and well structured backup plans can easily save your life (or a conversation, or anything).
i always respected Ultra Magnus and hated him being nerfed in the battle against Megatron when i know he could have won without plot convenience, and was low key sad when was standing alone after everybody crowed Optimus but he looked cool af at the same time not mention the cool weapons he brought on the ship were great. This man was a pretty cool and honorable warrior i wish we got to meet earlier.
He was definitely powerful but he’s not beating megatron maybe with the forge of solus prime he would’ve won but without he loses
I just realized that my relationship with Mom was just like Wheeljack and Ultra Magnus. Man, I've got to learn to take some orders, but I'd also would like a looser leash. Edit: I actually am pretty free, so the loose leash scrap wasn't necessary.
You’ve just made me love Ultra Magnus!
I think he’s an excellent contrast to Optimus. Where Optimus prided himself on being an Emotional leader, being more of a father figure than a military commander, Magnus is a more traditional military leader. They compliment each other very well.
Magnus was one of my favorite characters in the show! Awesome work with this vid!
Ello!
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@@franciscojavierdelatorreba3554I think 90% of tf youtubers know and watch each others videos lmao
Your firefighter analogy makes sense, and it applies perfectly to small unit tactics in the military as well. I'm a combat medic and part of our training was learning to fall back on and rely on our training, but to not be afraid to act on instinct. But again, that instinct is still training.
In truth ultra magnus was strict, brave, strong, fearless, and confident. He cares for his soldiers and does change in the end. but in truth he is a goat character. Showing no fear when he fights megatron.
7:54 So he basically got the Vegeta treatment
Ultra Magnus is one of my fave characters. I think Michael Ironside did a good job as him.
Ultra Magnus needs love
It didn’t matter to me that Ultra Magnus was more strict than Optimus, it was that he brought hope for the characters. He was strong, smart, loyal. Everything the Autobots needed in a leader. Also, his interactions with Optimus, his superior, are just adorable.
“What’s a kilt?” *leans in* “Agent Fowler May sometimes be obleek, I find it simply best to nod and Roll out.”
I personally love ultra magnus. The little drama with wheeljack served to develop both characters beyond their first introduction.
Ultra magnus didn't deserve for his hand to get crushed
he reminded me of this one strict teacher I had for history in high school. she didn't smile much, was very precise and to the point with her teaching and criticism and if you screwed up? you got told off. while she did have her moments of softening up, she wasn't the one teacher we were fond of at the time. truth be told though? she was the only reason why I managed to get through physics, a subject relatively new and terrifying to me with decent grades. and I appreciate that now. she did need to loosen up though. just a bit.
He was one of my favourite, thats for damn sure
Gotta love these videos, they really bring out how amazing prime was and mentions even the smallest details, such as ultra magnus patting bulkhead on the back.
19:35 Ironic, Michael Ironside said that same thing in an X-Men movie where he and a bunch of other soldiers were about to die.
Respect for Ultra Magnus, a true autobot commander and without question, one of the best and strongest leaders in the autobots ranks: Always caring about the innocents and his soilders/friends/teammates and will put a fight to the end againts the strongest decepticons and predacons; to me, he is a hero and a true warrior/soldier.
19:35 Ironic, Michael Ironside said that same thing in an X-Men movie where he and a bunch of other soldiers were about to die.
You are so right with this, Wheeljack is fun to watch but yeah IRL I wouldnt want to be anywhere near Prime wheeljack for long, he makes the more scientist esque wheeljacks seem safe since atleast they have a backup prime or quick enough to reverse what they did. I did see Ultra Magnus as rigid at first but after a while I saw him as well the bot that had to be leader for centuries not knowing where his commander was or even if he was still alive, so the personality
To anyone who think thag Ultra Magnus doesn't have emotions will receives these hands with a wrath!!!🙌 Thank you for sharing this video, UM doesnt receive enough love in the series
Didn't ever see ultra magnus in prime cuz I didn't get far enough, but I'd seen him and assumed he was an optimus replacement for a new gen and never considered him to be anything but an optimus clone, but this vid probalby made him my new favorite transformer
I loved UM in TFP he’s a soldier and a badass military leader.
it feels like often its forgotten this bot has lead a war (hell that all of them are fighting a devastating war), a death is on him, a loss is on him, he has one of the most emotionally devastating jobs ever many would never mentally survive having
Ultra Magnus video, you love to see it
11:10 YOOO EMPEROR is gonna be firefighter! Best of luck on your journey!
19:35 Ironic, Michael Ironside said that same thing in an X-Men movie where he and a bunch of other soldiers were about to die.
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I loved Magnus. 10/10 character, perfect contract to the wreckers, and exactly what Team Prime needed.
I love Ultra Magnus, he is considered one of my favorite characters in Transformers Prime, it's a shame that in the movie he doesn't get any screen time after he was out of commission during a skirmish
This is exactly why TFP was miles better than RID, the characters had some development like Wheeljack started to respect Ultra Magnus more unlike where Sideswipe and Strongarm would never learn how to respect one and another
True, anytime anybody got character development in RID it got reset next episode.
I never disliked Prime Ultramagnus. Even before the war he was in the military - in the Elite Guard, so no wonder he's so strict and "by the book".
damm this is a nice episode, love how you explain Ultra Magnus's character in a cool way.
He’s very polite too, he never forgets to say please and thank you
I could be wrong but I think as Magnus slowly warms up to the others he starts using more and more contractions in his speech.
The Commander is probably one of my favorites in the series, in my opinion he resembles Optimus a lot, both having capabilities of being leaders plus also looking similar to him (mostly to S1 Optimus).
14:13 Wheeljack's face 😂😂
Growing up my favorite characters were Arcee, Wheeljack, and Ultra Magnus so it’s good to see someone point out the redeeming qualities of his character!
Could you please do a video on Transformers Animated at some point. I dunno what it could be about, but maybe you could analyze the characters like the way you do here.
I love when Megatron told Ultra Magnus his not Optimus prime, showing that his dominate now that Optimus was gone and not everyone is capable of fighting him.
They really stay true to his g1 style and character but just add a little twist.
Prime Ultra magnus was a solid character. When him and the other wreckers formed a solid team, it was great character for him.
I love your "Character has emotions" videos. They show the less obvious sides of my favorite characters (Optimus is my favorite, and I've always loved his dynamic with Ultra Magnus since I was a kid), and makes me love them even more
I've always liked how Ultra Magnus is in TFP. I love Ultra Magnus in any TF verse!
Ultra Magnus was always one of my favourites growing up.
Starscream: Hahaha!! Megetron’s dead, now I’m the leader of descepticons!!! Ultra Magnus: Optimus’s dead, now I’m incharge, I may not be Optimus and I’ll never be, but I’ll try my best.
I really wish that he would've gotten a better prosthetic hand in the end.
Optimus: we can be greater than a army..a family! Dom torrendo: I LIKE THIS GUY!
TFP is a gem ❤️🥺 couldn't forget the entire series
hes one of MY favorites! ever since i discovered he even existed via google, i prayed and prayed for the entire second half of the second season for him, and went NUTS when i saw him season three! i also discovered that Optimus is Ultra Magnus's big brother.
Ultra Magnus did get what in my opinion is the best fight in Prime, Him + Wheeljack vs Predaking. I was on Ultra Magnus's side a lot of the time.
I always love ultra magnus His design is epic But i didn't expect him to be serious I gotta go consume the entirety of the transformer
Damn my respect for ultra magnus fucking went threw the roof
Ultra Magnus is one of my most favorite Transformers! I’m glad you made a video on him. Keep up the good content! ❤
Am I the only one who wanted to see him interact with the kids ? .Would have been very cute , really .
*VERY* small correction my friend, Skylynx and Darksteel are not Dragons. They may breathe fire, but theyre not Dragons. That's ONLY Predaking. Those two other Predacons are more like Gryphons, or possibly Hippogryphs. But not Dragons.
20:45 PRIMUS DANG IT. Ultra Magnu is S tier, but his victories are cut short by SSS chacs or when his empathy distracts him.