KJV or Geneva Bible? How do you know?
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They can look very similar, and often have similar extras (e.g. Book of Common Prayer) bound in. But they can be immediately distinguished from one another if the title pages are present. (Neither says the Geneva or the KJV on the title page).
**I normally try to include only books which are (or will be) for sale in my videos, but these two Bibles are my teaching copies. They are not for sale. Sorry.**
When one reads the bible, its when one reads the stories again and again. But, its when one Is kead by the Holy Spirit is when the real maguc happens...even the older book as you say, has been translated.... probably 100's of times before that too... who knows, just Walk by Faith, Not by Sight❤❤❤
Jesus Himself implied this when he says "The Holy Spirit will lead you into all truth".
@@berachtdorian6191AMEN.
Holy Spirit is felt when we walk in truth and love.
Agree. You can read scriptures many times over and nothing sinks in. Or you can read scriptures and the more layers get peeled away. The trick is to have a open mind, continually search and verify with God, thru the Holy Spirit. It's an individual validation, and outside of that is Edification.
@@tedtan6449 that's why we meditate on the word. Is that what you're saying?
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Fun fact: both bible translations had included the Apocrypha.
Hi, Yes, the Apocrypha fills in the gaps so to speak. Like the book of Daniel with some of the mysterious verses. The Apocrypha caters for that. Like the book of Jasher referenced in some of the books the old testament ( Joshua) were Esau spouts his life not being good to him as he was hungry + gave over his birthright to Jacob, which leads one to think is he 2 cans short of a 6 pack or something? In the book Jasher Esau kills King Nimrod out in the open, his men find out it's Esau ( don't quote me on that, I may be wrong?) That satisfies the curiosity surrounding Jacob & Esau's birthright & red stew.
@@decathlonevent There are no "gaps" in the Biblical canon that need to be filled.
@@Nashvillain10SE By filling in the gaps, I mean expansion or going into more detail of what's in the some if not all of the 39 books if the old testament. Example would be the book of Maccabees 1 & 2 explains the overthrowing of king of the North in Daniel 11. Although it is not part of the Apocrypha an example of filling the gaps, is The book of Enoch chapter 6 goes into more detail with "Genesis chapter 6"
@@Nashvillain10SE Maybe I should of said "Expansion" of "going into more detail."
between the testaments, not as part of the testaments
Where can I get the 1599 Geneva Bible unaltered version
eBay, I just ordered one.
They are very expensive, fyi.
The first Geneva published was in 1560; the closer you get to that edition, the more you'll have to pay. I have the 1581 and 1583 Geneva Bible editions; each was a few thousand dollars. Condition is always a factor also.
Amazon. You can again get a 1560 Pilgrim replica Geneva Bible. Warning though, it's in old German, so make sure you remember that. I read mine regularly and compare it with my Army HSV. At least the geneva Bible has "my son....." In Proverbs rather than "my person....." in the HSV.
@@Openreality If your Bible is in German, it's not a Geneva Bible.
If you don't know history this is what you say. But the fact is the 1537 mathews bible comprised by John rogers was approved by king Henry and this is what the kjb is derived from. So everything stated is accurate. In the Bible. But narrator is mistaken.
If you look at them both there’s only a few subtle differences between choice of words like ruler of this world/prince of this world, stuff like that
Do they make a Geneva? Where's the print is not a copy from the 1500s?... Is with the side notes...... The one that I have is a copy of a book that was printed with movable type printing press.... Adding to the difficulty to read
I have the Tolle Lege Press Geneva Bible from 1599. I find it MUCH easier to read than the facsimiles because the lettering has been modernized as well as the spellings. However, the print is quite small. This is much because of the copious notes of the reformers. I even managed to get hold of a big family-sized Tolle Lege 1599 Geneva Bible about 8 years ago, but even that big, heavy book has smaller print than I like due to the copious study notes which are in smaller print at the bottoms of each page. It would be SO wonderful if some publisher would made the Geneva Bible with the modern lettering and spellings into TWO volumes -- one for the scripture itself, and the other volume for the study notes. THEN it would be possible to have a larger print Geneva Bible. There are other publishers of the Geneva Bible, but you have to really research each one to know what you are really getting if you are buying online. Amazon has a lot of reviews, etc. to help with research, but there is much more availability today (Nov. 2023) on eBay. Tolle Lege does not appear to be publishing it anymore (or anything else as far as I can tell). It's ironic. I used to worry about the Bible disappearing and must have purchased 30 or more KJVs just so I would have some to give away. Now I realize the Bible that is disappearing at a much more rapid speed is the Geneva. One thing that also really strikes me is that the some 50 translators of the KJV were doing so with the PROTECTION of the king, and they made a show of taking in the comments of those who were not part of their group. But the fact is that they had to follow the king's orders. No doubt they were given handsome room and board and probably paid for their work those 7 years. In contrast, those who gave us the Geneva Bible did most of their work in Geneva, Switzerland because all of their lives were on the line because they were going AGAINST government and Catholic authorities. They all very literally risked their lives to give us the Geneva. To me, that speaks volumes. Now I must get myself to READ the Geneva...!
@@WholeBibleBelieverWomanloved your response. Have you purchased a Geneva Bible? I need one too. Only have NKJV
Yes, I have two copies of the Tolle Lege 1599 (one regular sized and one big one that is really big and heavy -- the 400th Anniversary edition). I have had those for over 7 years and got sidetracked by the other versions. I want to study the Geneva more now. I also have a few KJVs with commentaries. A friend gave me an NKJV, which I keep to read the commentary sometimes. I am wanting to give more time to Geneva bible than the newer bibles. I will be getting, soon, a 1560 Geneva Bible with the old-fashioned lettering and spelling which is harder to read -- but I want to be able to look up things in that one because I understand that the 1599 Geneva has different commentaries than the 1560. Sorry if that is too much information! @@sergioortiz1839
@@WholeBibleBelieverWoman what you’re implying about the KJV very much confuses me. Although I do believe Anglicanism is just a reformed form of Catholicism. My parents came out of Catholicism and from what I know it isn’t authentically Christian at all. Their message of salvation is a very very very different one and even worship! The translators of the KJV had to be diligent especially with the conflict between Catholics and Anglicans in England at the time. I wouldn’t distrust the KJV simply because the people who translated the Geneva faced more issues with Catholic opposition. In fact, any spirit of Rome hated Christianity. When I talk with or listen to Catholic relatives or peers, I notice they don’t seem to be into the Bible and even dislike any form of spreading or talking about the gospel or just basic doctrine. It’s weird but I’m not surprised with the history of how Catholicism came to be and how it still is. It’s like a chameleon but always the same fraud of “Christianity”
@tiredoftheworld4834 I totally agree with you regarding Catholicism. The thing is, their MO has always been extremely deceptive. Of course the Vatican hated the Geneva even more than King James did -- because its footnotes include Catholicism as antichrist, for one thing. They didn't want ANY bible getting out to the people. King James, from what I understand, with both a freemason and very openly bisexual. Probably much like the Catholics he realized that there was no stopping the bible getting into people's hands -- but he didn't want it to be the Geneva because he saw it as a great threat to the idea of "the divine right of kings" especially due to some footnotes specifying that it was A-okay to disobey tyrants that wanted people to disobey God. The translators all seemed to everyone at the time to be very "transparent." Very scholarly, etc. And they were very scholarly. However, there are indications that some of the kind of "hoodoo" taught by the (magic) book known as the Kaballah was included in the KJV. I actually saw a KZhead video "proving" that the KJV is "THE ONE" -- because of weird number things in it. One example given was that if you counted up all the times the word AMEN is in all capital letters in the KJV the total is 666. There were other number things like that. Things that only freemasons and those into the occult would have been into. Even today, if I have a choice between a book that is "government-sponsored, paid for and approved" and another book that was written by people who have a reason to understand the subject but wrote the book without any government involvement at all -- I choose the non-approved book. What gets me the most is that the Geneva was HIGHLY popular and had been around for over 50 YEARS before the KJV was translated, yet the Geneva was illegal to print anymore beginning in 1600. And then after a century (or less) it seems that it simply was not published anymore at all. Not until quite recently, in modern spelling and lettering so that today's readers can read it. Why was it hidden for so long? It was no accident. It was suppressed. I still read the KJV, especially since I have a number of copies. It was my favorite until the Geneva became available. Yet even now, it's a bit touch and go what one can get. The "Patriot's Edition" of the Tolle Lege publications is one of the only ones (if not the only one) still being printed -- and it apparently is full of fairy tales about the founding fathers of the U.S. George Washington was not a Christian; he was a Deist. And according to the slaves on his plantation, just before he died he converted to Catholicism. Oh, but there is too much to say about the deceptions of the "founding fathers." ::: sigh :::
Both the Geneva and the KJV are excellent English translations! I have both. Be very careful of the newer English translations because doctrinal beliefs from different groups of church organizations have filtered many verses to fit their interpretations. What we need to know about ourselves from God's Word and our only hope of being justified before a Holy and righteous God: [WHY WE HAVE NO HOPE IN OURSELVES: Mk. 7:20-23 And he (Jesus) said, That which comes out of the man, that defiles the man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things (sins) come from within, and defile the man.] [WHY WE NEED A SAVIOR: Rom. 3:10-28 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understands, there is none that seeks after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that does good, no, not one. Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed blood: Destruction and misery are in their ways: And the way of peace have they not known: There is no fear of God before their eyes. Now we know that what things so ever the law says, it says to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his (God's) sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ to all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God has set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believes in Jesus. Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Joh. 3:16 For God so loved the world (us), that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Joh. 14:6 Jesus said to him (us), I am the way (salvation), the truth (assurance), and the life (eternal): no man comes to (God) the Father, but by me (God the Son). Rom. 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:]
both are fine but the geneva has notation thats indiscernible from scripture
1611 reprint with apocrypha
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Saying no to both just means that you don't believe in truth. How did you learn of God. You didn't learn it from the original text. How do you know what the original text is? The majority of people making the argument for a different Bible are not Christians anyway. Most professing Christians don't know what is the gospel of the grace of God. The only gospel for one to be saved.
Well, here’s the thing, the Bible is written nearly 1500 years before the Geneva Bible, so any argument you have about time passing before it was translated is kind of negated 1500 years 1800 years it’s still well over 1000 years and it’s not like you’re gonna get it right after 1500 years but 16 or 1800 years is just too long and you’re gonna get it all wrong now because of another century. If somebody goes back to the original manuscripts today and puts in the time, learn the Greek in the Hebrew and re-translate it today they could be just as or more accurate. The biggest problem with the Geneva Bible is it’s the kind of Puritan version and runs running around calling everybody a witch and burning them at the stake And we your ideal representatives of Jesus Christ. I don’t think it’s horrible, but that whole Calvin is Puritan interpretation is a bit legalistic and kind of reminds me more of the Pharisees and the sadnesses who worshiped their process, and they knowledge and application of the law and kind of had a little bit of a supremacy complex And we’re overly judgmental to a fault Just because the Geneva Bible is older does not make it more accurate. It’s still a translation and age doesn’t make it more accurate. It’s only as accurate as the people translating it. so it’s a bit of a legalistic kind of thing where you’re worshiping a timeline more so than accurately, the scholars who have studied in depth generally agree that the king James version is the most accurate even the paraphrase translators acknowledge this, but they were translating it to a more modern version of English. That was easier to understand and read, and it makes sense, unless you are willing to sit down and learn old English, which is pretty much another language and many ways it’s going to be a very difficult laborious process to read it and a lot of people just aren’t gonna do it or are some of the context in it, because even though, though the translation is accurate, our translation of old English meanings may not be accurate And that can also be problematic. There are some people that read the NLT or the NIV, or even the living Bible that I figured it out and understand salvation and God filled with the spirit and get it but the truth is they’re all imperfect whenever you do a translation you’re going to have variances, because there aren’t word for word switches going from one to another and one language may have eight different words and you translate into an English language and you have one or two words so it’s not define exact context and I think it’s important for people to know whatever version they’re reading that when something is important to them or is difficult for them they should probably get a linear Bible and go back and learn some of the Greek and Hebrew what the original words were, and study those for the original meetings and the Text and maybe even get some commentaries or study guides that give you even more context and information about those particular parts of the Bible because even beyond the text even understand some of the things, Jesus Christ or Matthew told you you have to understand he culture and things like Hebrew wedding traditions, and the full processes of the different sacrifices, when Jesus says it is finished he just didn’t mean OK it’s over y’all safe now that’s the basic meaning but that’s a very loose interpretation and he was mimicking what was going on at the time he was killed on the last day of passover at 3 PM that’s when he died at the same time, the priest in the temple were sacrificing the last lamb of the Passover, and they were also looking up to the skies and proclaiming it is finished finished or the Hebrew version of that, and everybody who heard Jesus say that new exactly what he meant that he was professing that he was the final sacrificial lamb, and coincidentally, just happened to be on the last day of Passover at 3 PM when they were literally doing the last lamb sacrifice for that Passover, so when he was saying it, the priests in the temples were saying it as well. But this isn’t in the text you have to understand Hebrew culture but when Jesus said it, that’s what he was saying and there’s a lot more context to it then just the words, and that’s important as well, so the king James, or the Geneva Bible are a translation. If you really wanna know exactly what it said, you’re gonna have to go study the original languages and the culture understand the context of it because a Hebrew culture was very much into contacts and understanding the tradition, and having a word from an origin where it was named after a specific event, or was related to a cultural practice that meant a lot more than just what the word meant. When Jesus said it is fine as she just didn’t mean well we’re done with this for today, he was profess himself as the last sacrificial lamb and the atonement for our sins, he didn’t say those words, but it was understood because he was standing around a bunch of people who were living and Hebrew culture, 2000 years ago. so in that context you could say no English translation is going to be accurate enough Back to the question of the Geneva version or the KJB version, the Geneva version I many scholars who have studied and done the translations and researched it believe was a bit more frivolous and less accurate the king, James version kind of corrected those flaws by translating it more accurately. Either way, it’s the word of God when we read it we should be praying we should be asking for the spirit to give us discernment and guidance and ask God to reveal what he’s trying to tell us whatever we reading and disagree but lots of people get saved and figure all this out reading the NLT or the NIV or the living Bible or I haven’t read the message yet or the ESV but when you sit around and discuss critical points and complex principles of God‘s word, somehow they still got it from those versions even and when could argue that you’ll know by their fruits, and frankly, the Puritans and the church of England did some pretty sketchy stuff and we’re running around murdering people calling them witches and burning them alive because they wouldn’t submit to the Puritan church leaders and do exactly what they said the way they said, and Hole Calvinist thing. From what I’ve read in it it’s not that far off and I don’t think it’s going to destroy you if you read it, but the new king James is generally considered the far more accurate version. But the people who usually talk about this stuff are pretty legalistic and anal and care more about the version of the Bible than they do about the meaning in God’s word, and it is what it is. I said read what you can read, sitting and reading the King James version or the Geneva. Bible is laborious and annoying. It’s like another language and you’re basically translating it yourself, and are only as accurate is your understanding of that language or era, and personally, I think you’re better off with a new king jams or an NLT Because it’s translated into the language you actually speak and understand that it is a translation and there will be variances if you want absolute accuracy eventually you’re gonna have to go back to the Hebrew and the Greek and the original text and understand the traditions and context that the people speaking these words, and who they were speaking them to Had to do with the message. So I can tell you this much. If someone comes up to you and tells you, you must read the Geneva Bible or even you must read the King James version, that person is being very legalistic and anal and isn’t really interested in the messages as much as they are the methodology , and this was the downfall of the Pharisees and sadnesses as well and the church of England, the Roman Catholic Church, they’ve all made huge mistakes and done some pretty horrid things, and we can tell by their fruits. Sorry if somebody saying you must read the Geneva Bible, they’re probably a Calvinist tour somebody who just thinks cause something is older that it’s better. Sorry the Geneva Bible was not a great interpretation. The king James is better, but is still translated from another language and you’re going to lose a little bit of the context when you translate something so neither is perfect if somebody’s telling you have to read one over the other, especially if they’re telling you, you’re gonna lose your salvation or your worshiping, some sort of false God, I think those people are probably worshiping themselves that’s not for us to judge but it’s a bit of a ridiculous argument, but if we need to get into it, Geneva, Bible wasn’t accurate and the vast majority of scholars agree of course the people who wrote the Geneva Bible and put that front page in there are going to tell you it’s perfect because that’s their bragging or advertisement but biblical scholars have read them all study them compared them for accuracy against the original Greek and Hebrew. The vast consensus is that the king James version is the most accurate. And Calvinist, I don’t know they’re pretty borderline they might be over that borderline into the realm of a cult like Mormon or Seventh-day Adventist and the Puritans were a huge mess and not exactly people I would consider experts, or take advice from
That is quite an opinion! It is yours and I am sure soom is correct and soom is in error. What we need to know about ourselves from God's Word and our only hope of being justified before a Holy and righteous God: [WHY WE HAVE NO HOPE IN OURSELVES: Mk. 7:20-23 And he (Jesus) said, That which comes out of the man, that defiles the man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things (sins) come from within, and defile the man.] [WHY WE NEED A SAVIOR: Rom. 3:10-28 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understands, there is none that seeks after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that does good, no, not one. Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed blood: Destruction and misery are in their ways: And the way of peace have they not known: There is no fear of God before their eyes. Now we know that what things so ever the law says, it says to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his (God's) sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ to all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God has set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believes in Jesus. Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Joh. 3:16 For God so loved the world (us), that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Joh. 14:6 Jesus said to him (us), I am the way (salvation), the truth (assurance), and the life (eternal): no man comes to (God) the Father, but by me (God the Son). Rom. 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:]
The Geneva Bible was an incomplete work by Catholics that couldn't get their work approved by the church . It was later picked up and finished by protestants . Catholics initially made many contributions with the development of German , English , Italian and Eastern European language all of which preceded protestant scripture . Protestants revere Erasmus even though he was a Catholic .
That's SO incorrect. WIlliam Whittingham was instrumental in translating the New Testament, and Anthony Gilby oversaw the Old Testament. BOTH were Puritans--English Protestants. Catholics had NOTHING to do with the Geneva Bible aside from burning every copy they found.
Back then EVERYONE was a Catholic -- else they were genocided or in hiding. What is meaningful about the reformation is that Catholic priests left the RCC (Roman Catholic Church) because they read the Bible with eyes that could read Greek, Hebrew and Latin and discovered that the "Catholic Bible" was NOT true to the original manuscripts. The "Catholic" institution has never been obedient to God's Word.
The Authorized King James Bible is the perfect and pure and living words of God in English - the world and end times language. Using any other version for the English language is an insult to God and his words, and that means you do not really want truth, for his word is truth (John 17:17). The Apocrypha was never part of the Authorized Version's canon, and that's why it was placed between the testaments.
@LordSwine-cp1qcKing James did ban it and a lot of him banning it had to do with the fact it talks of politicians as being evil
@@HeikinAshee Because it was garbage, and never received as part of either Testaments. Regardless of what it said about politicians ......it doesn't give it validation. I wouldn't care what was written in the apocrypha......"good or bad" It's a bad source
Deut 4:2 (KJV) and Rev 22:18-19 (KJV) tell us there can be only one preserved Word of God. And yet version after version is spewed out to deceive. There is not a power that is not given by God. Through providence God raised up the most powerful nation there ever was or will be, the U.S.A., and in its infancy it was given the preserved word of God; “Robert Aitken, a Philadelphia printer, was the first to publish the first American edition of the K.J.V. New Testament in 1781 and the K.J.V. Old Testament in 1782, omitting the Apocrypha. On completion, he petitioned and received from the Congress of the Confederation, an official endorsement that Aitken added to the binding of his Bibles, to assure colonists that they were buying a non-royalist edition: “Resolved, that the United States in Congress assembled… recommend this edition of the Bible to the inhabitants of the United States and hereby authorize him to publish this recommendation.” As a result, the Aitken Bible (KJV) is often referred to as “The Bible (KJV) of the Revolution.” The nation was given the KJV, not the dead sea scrolls, not the book of Enoch, not Hebrew books etc. but only the KJV. If God wanted us to understand his word in Hebrew he would have raised this nation up speaking Hebrew. Back in the 1600’s God saw to it that the certain scriptures were translated into English “KJ Bible” and was put into print so that all could read for themselves the truth that in in the scriptures. God did this because he knew that he would bring about this powerful nation [U.S.A. and the English language] of ours to lead the world. The scriptures were written by apostles and prophets inspired by God through the Holy Ghost. The compilation and translation to English was also done by the direction of God through the Holy Ghost and he did not make any mistakes, i.e., the fourth horse being “pale” was no mistake, the horse is not green. In Greek mythology, the name Chloris (Khloris Χλωρίς, from khloros χλωρός, meaning “greenish-yellow,” “pale green,” “pale,” “pallid” or “fresh”) appears… Pallid 1. pale; faint or deficient in color; wan: a pallid countenance. People say that they believe that scripture was written by the direction of God and the Holy Ghost, which is true. But what you people don’t seem to realize is that the compilation and translation of the bible (KJV) was also done by the direction of God and the Holy Ghost. If the bible (KJV) was written and compiled by men of opinion and perspective and translated by incompetent translators then you might as well throw it in the trash. The prophets were told what to write and how to write it, 2 Peter 1:20-21 (KJV) The nation was given the symbol of the Eagle, 37 … Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together. Luke 17:37 (KJV), the body being the Church, the body of Christ. The nation has the motto and preamble “in God we trust” and “one nation under God”. This greatest and most powerful nation the U.S.A., has been given the last and best chance to lead the world to heaven on earth or destruction. But like all other nations of power before it (symbolic Israels, Rev 11:8 (KJV)) the U.S. has chosen destruction and is now the great “liar” saying “in God we trust” and “one nation under God”, it is now the conglomerate of the dragon, beast, false prophet, and harlot, it is Satan loosed from the pit, 7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth Rev 20:7-8 (KJV). And yet no one seems to know of or speak of a very clear fulfillment of prophecy in our recent history. We (U.S.A.) are the ones who brought down fire from heaven in Aug. of 1945 and we are the ones that gave life to the image of the beast in May of 1948. Rev.13:13-15 (KJV). All glory to God. Amen
I dont see any mention of america in scripture unless you're talking about Babylon.... would you please point me to where any of what you said is in scripture, thanks in advance.
@@chaboi7 Rome is not mentioned until it becomes a world power, nor Greece. A very clear fulfillment of prophecy in our recent history. We (U.S.A.) are the ones who brought down fire from heaven in Aug. of 1945 and we are the ones that gave life to the image of the beast in May of 1948. Rev 13:13-15 (KJV). The prophecy, 13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, Rev 13:13 (KJV) The fulfillment, The United States detonated two atomic bombs over the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki on 6 and 9 August 1945, respectively. “In the sight of men”, means this was done on the world stage during WWII (the second “woe”). The prophecy, 15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, …Rev 13:15 (KJV) The fulfillment, On May 14, 1948, David Ben-Gurion, the head of the Jewish Agency, proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel. U.S. President Harry S. Truman recognized the new nation on the same day. This was done using the power and prestige the U.S. earned by the act of bringing fire down from the heaven (sky). It is said that God will bless those who bless Israel, and this is true, but the following verses show us that the “Israel in the middle east is false” and is not to be blessed. 9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds. 2 John 1:9-11 (KJV) AND 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Romans 8:9 (KJV) You can’t have it both ways, 8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways. James 1:8 (KJV) 43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. 44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. Matt 21:43-44 (KJV) And 15 And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name: Isaiah 65:15 (KJV). The second beast of lies, saying “one nation under God” and “in God we trust”, indeed the “father of lies”, did bring fire from the heaven, (Greek Strong's Number: 3772...(through the idea of elevation); the SKY...), and did set up a false Israel in the middle east, (proven false by this verse among others 9 ...Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, HE IS NONE OF HIS. Romans 8:9 (KJV)). This Israel has been and is the catalyst of “wars and rumors of wars” making it the image of the first beast of warmongering , Germany, who’s head was wounded in WWI(1st harvest, woe) and healed enough to bring about WWII(2nd harvest, woe). You couldn’t get a better fulfillment of prophecy. For these events to happen again would negate the prophecies altogether. No sir, either God’s timing is off or yours is. And it is asinine to think these events are happenstance and ignored by the prophecies of God. And this leaves only one “woe”(WWIII) left, the war that God hates (abomination), a war that makes the world desolate. 7th trump and bowl are simultaneous and plunge the world into 3½ yrs of great tribulation. If the truth were being told then the prophecy of Matt. 24:14 would have occurred years ago, shortly after the advent of the world-wide-web. This fact proves that the prominent teachers are false teachers. I suggest you forget all that you have been taught and come to the bible (KJV) with sincere want for truth, and not to consume it upon your lusts, but that you may do true worship and obedience to God, with a repentant heart, and with reason and logic the Spirit of God will teach.11 … in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. Acts 17:11 (KJV) All glory to God. Amen
ok so don't read kjb or read it I don't understand, I get there commie's Marxist freemason knights of multa Jesuits Illuminati prosperity preachers false prophets AND the devil but Y is it so hard to find the true word. U got kjb the new kjb and the inv , study Bible, etc etc etc ... In so f sick of this and u got different dominations,. Calvinists and Lutheran Baptist etc etc etc how the hell we are supposed follow any dam thing. I just want to believe in God and follow, help, love get close to him but ...,... There no right way because everyone is right
Amen. Amen. Amen!!!
I don't understand so we shouldn't read the kjb
the KJV is the only authorized bible. stick with that.
Do some research and you’ll find that. King James banned the Geneva bible. The king James has versus and words missing which in the Geneva bible has it all in full.
Authorized by who lmao@@rejoicechristian4490
The KJV has serious errors. But some folks won’t give up that sacred cow
@@rhavenlynn5364 what
Are you Styx reincarnated 🤷♀️
They need to add the 14 books they took out of the original
ok so don't read kjb or read it I don't understand, I get there commie's Marxist freemason knights of multa Jesuits Illuminati prosperity preachers false prophets AND the devil but Y is it so hard to find the true word. U got kjb the new kjb and the inv , study Bible, etc etc etc ... In so f sick of this and u got different dominations,. Calvinists and Lutheran Baptist etc etc etc how the hell we are supposed follow any dam thing. I just want to believe in God and follow, help, love get close to him but ...,... There no right way because everyone is right
Does the Geneva Bible have those books included?
@@gwenboswell840 yes they contain all 80 but check some Geneva versions have them removed
@@jackjustice2558 The Apochrypha (meaning: "hidden away") was removed from the canon of Scripture for very good reasons. These esoteric books don't belong with inspired writings, and the church at the time was wise in excluding them.
@@mdmorellI disagree the truth is we know less now, muddied by man's opinion, Jesus and his disciples read and understood these books for example Jude 1:9 he's mentioning the 'assumption of Moses ' why would he mention a book not in the Torah or prophets? Jesus himself as the' son of man' but the one in the book of Enoch which they understood perfectly so much so that the Jewish council removed the book for apparently being to Christian, in Daniel it mentions the time of the Maccabees with the king of the North, we as westerners don't have or understand the knowledge and traditions the Jews had we read from our own lenses the 1st century church is much different than the current one
Conservative or liberal Christian? If you're a conservative, check out 1 Corinthians 11:14. Sorry, I love to do that.
The quran has been perserved in its mother tongue (Arabic) for centuries and oral traditions have made sure that the words have not been altered ❤ Along with the miracles within, it is no doubt that it is the truth, subhanallah.
Q- 51:47 “We built the universe with ˹great˺ might, and We are certainly expanding ˹it˺” Q - 21:30 “And We created from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?” Q- 2:11 “When they are told, “Do not spread corruption in the land,” they reply, “We are only peace-makers!” Why is that one so significant? Its literally what israel claimed recently! It is not the eyes that are blind but the hearts ❤
I think the important thing is whether either book can provide fact-based provable evidence that the spiritual events therein are true. Of course they can't so one may as well collect the Harry Potter series and expect the same results.
Yea, no, the bible literally just predicts 100% of current and world events with dead on accuracy but there's no proof. Jesus Christ is also the most referenced historical being in history as well. None of that matters either, right?
@@ppd343 "the bible literally just predicts 100% of current and world events with dead on accuracy" Care to offer some? And when you say "accuracy" I think anyone would define that as where, when, and by whom.
@@darz3829 A very clear fulfillment of prophecy in our recent history. We (U.S.A.) are the ones who brought down fire from heaven in Aug. of 1945 and we are the ones that gave life to the image of the beast in May of 1948. Rev 13:13-15 (KJV). The prophecy, 13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, Rev 13:13 (KJV) The fulfillment, The United States detonated two atomic bombs over the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki on 6 and 9 August 1945, respectively. “In the sight of men”, means this was done on the world stage during WWII (the second “woe”). The prophecy, 15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, …Rev 13:15 (KJV) The fulfillment, On May 14, 1948, David Ben-Gurion, the head of the Jewish Agency, proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel. U.S. President Harry S. Truman recognized the new nation on the same day. This was done using the power and prestige the U.S. earned by the act of bringing fire down from the heaven (sky). It is said that God will bless those who bless Israel, and this is true, but the following verses show us that the “Israel in the middle east is false” and is not to be blessed. 9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds. 2 John 1:9-11 (KJV) AND 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Romans 8:9 (KJV) You can’t have it both ways, 8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways. James 1:8 (KJV) 43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. 44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. Matt 21:43-44 (KJV) And 15 And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name: Isaiah 65:15 (KJV). The second beast of lies, saying “one nation under God” and “in God we trust”, indeed the “father of lies”, did bring fire from the heaven, (Greek Strong's Number: 3772...(through the idea of elevation); the SKY...), and did set up a false Israel in the middle east, (proven false by this verse among others 9 ...Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, HE IS NONE OF HIS. Romans 8:9 (KJV)). This Israel has been and is the catalyst of “wars and rumors of wars” making it the image of the first beast of warmongering , Germany, who’s head was wounded in WWI(1st harvest, woe) and healed enough to bring about WWII(2nd harvest, woe). You couldn’t get a better fulfillment of prophecy. For these events to happen again would negate the prophecies altogether. No sir, either God’s timing is off or yours is. And it is asinine to think these events are happenstance and ignored by the prophecies of God. And this leaves only one “woe”(WWIII) left, the war that God hates (abomination), a war that makes the world desolate. 7th trump and bowl are simultaneous and plunge the world into 3½ yrs of great tribulation. If the truth were being told then the prophecy of Matt. 24:14 would have occurred years ago, shortly after the advent of the world-wide-web. This fact proves that the prominent teachers are false teachers. I suggest you forget all that you have been taught and come to the bible (KJV) with sincere want for truth, and not to consume it upon your lusts, but that you may do true worship and obedience to God, with a repentant heart, and with reason and logic the Spirit of God will teach.11 … in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. Acts 17:11 (KJV) All glory to God. Amen
Over 300 prophesies have come through but here you are telling me there is no proof.. people like you will always find excuses. Stop being lazy and start researching and ask God for help! You will find him and his word to be true and the only reliable thing ever. @@darz3829
Utter nonsense 😏
I would say no to both. There really isn't a good english translation available. Thankfully Gods word is preserved in its original languages. People are constantly trying to give us a better english version. But I have yet to see one that can get through the first chapter of Genesis without making numerous mistakes. In Genesis 1:1 the world became void, not the world was void for example. Later on in Genesis God creates lower man, not man but lower man as the first man created did not receive the breath of God and his mate was created with him rather than from his rib. Modern theology suggests that these are just two accounts of the same story. But that is a lie. If you read it in Hebrew you will see that God is making the various races of mankind. And that is in Genesis 1 alone. So, why do these translation committees constantly mistranslate the bible? One word, money. It is about selling the most copies rather than getting it right. I'll leave you with two more examples. The word Gentile is latin for nation. Yet it has come to mean anyone who isn't jewish. It has nothing at all to do with what nation it just means nation and sometimes it means pagan. But again has nothing to do with whether or not a person is jewish. Then there is the word jew itself. It isn't in the Torah at all. Not even once. Yet it is inserted in the New Testament constantly in place of the word Judean. A Judean is a geographical reference and not a racial one. Judea was multicultural and included Hebrews, Jews, Romans etc. A Jew is not an Israelite. People believe that due to mistranslations and the 100 years of Scofield dispensationalism. If your pastor teaches that jews are Gods chosen people, you need a new pastor. PERIOD.
God could've made his faith much less complicated but chose not to. Makes you wonder if god is capable of doing anything at all
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Well, what translation would you recommend to someone who only speaks English? I don’t have enough time to become proficient in Hebrew and Greek before Jesus comes back in order to read scripture in Hebrew and Greek.
@@letuswalkinthelightofthelo5350 I wouldn’t recommend any of them. I would say get yourself an inter linear Bible. You will see that the word Jew is Judean not Jew for example. And you will also see the word man is different in its usage so as to indicate the various races. You can learn a lot from most English translations. But a great deal is hidden and that’s sad. The Christian countries would be in much better shape today had the Bible been translated properly into English.
What are your thoughts on the Mickelson Scholar? I just received this translation a week ago. In Comparing some verses in this to KJV - the KJV leaves out a lot of words. I have a couple KJV to compare to better translations to see how bad the kjv is) . I also have a The Scriptures translation but some of the Hebrew words are hard to understand what it means (ie Moshe/Moses but this one’s an easy one!) and then I have an Alpha and Omega translation by I Saw The Light ministries. Could you please share your insight on the ISR version and the Alpha and Omega version, please?
That like asking which Harry Potter book is most likely true 😂
Man made fairytale
Cry about it some more
Speak for yourself. The proof is in the belief.
Then it would seem pretty stupid to waste your time here. And yet, here you are.