Shamima Begum is "being punished without a trial"
2023 ж. 26 Ақп.
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Mike Graham clashes with Peter Hitchens after the columnist said Shamima Begum is “being punished without a trial”.
The 23-year-old lost a challenge against the decision to strip her of her British citizenship on national security grounds last week.
Shamima was 15 when she travelled from East London to Syria to join the so-called Islamic State.
Peter says: “The crimes which she is accused are crimes against the laws of this country.”
Mike disagrees, saying: “But her crimes were not committed here.”
#shamimabegum #peterhitchens #mikegraham #talktv #talkradio
She is not even a fit mother bye bye
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Yeah Emily Let’s round up all the unfit mothers and banish them from the UK! Then everything will be better! 🙄
She gave no mercy to anyone bye bye
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@@anonymouse740 Yes, you do seem to be.
@@candycanessongs weird eh, I’m no bot and I want Shamima to stay where she is 🙂
She isn’t worth the risk. Just forget her.
That's silly. We either believe in the rule of law and its process for everyone (ie a civilized society), or we don't. Has what she done any worse than say, the Yorkshire Ripper? He had a trial and was punished.
@@paulhatton9564 Or any IRA supporters?
@@paulhatton9564 I don’t trust the law in this scenario. Plenty of people believe her to be a victim and therefore innocent of any crimes. Even if she is found guilty it wouldn’t be a life sentence, and whatever sentence it was would be followed by expensive appeals clogging up the legal system, and even if they failed she would eventually be released and still a potential risk. To come back to the UK, MI5 must monitor all her communications digital+in person for the rest of her life (another massive drain on resources) or she be given a “whole life” tariff. Otherwise, she should never step foot in the UK again.
She doesn’t deserve forgiveness nor has she ever asked for it 😊
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She’s coming home. Get used to it! 👍🏾
WHY is this still being given air time ???
Exactly.
Distraction from the Digital ID push, Ukraine is loosing the war etc etc
This women gave away her rights when she joined that death cult! Britain has been brought to its knees over the past few years and all we constantly hear is her name! There are more pressing issues to deal with, we are sick hearing about her and the amount of tax payers money being spent on her!
Stupid people trying to break the law to look great and humanitarian
Let Syria prosecute her whatever crimes she committed ....
The Syrian authorities have expressed that they want to deport her rather than be forced to use their resources / tax payer money to prosecute and look after a British jihadist
@@blaccpanther8715 execution is cheap..
I'd have thought she'd love it over there ?
Hitchens is the most attention seeking contrarian in the country. And when I say contrarian I mean pillock.
He’s naive , she’s evil,
Hitchens showing how actual free thinking is done.
When asked about the death of her children she said, oh I'm over that now! Heartless, sly woman.
Absolutely, she seems to have had them to engender sympathy and when that didn't work she let them die and when that didn't get any sympathy either she said "I'm over that now"'. A vacuous, inhuman, cold hearted narcissist.
Totally....terrible thing to say....poor children the last one might have been saved too....
Human trafficked seems like she left of her own free will 🙈
She did.
Blimey. Hitchens has been on the weed again.
She’s gotten more than she deserves ie nothing
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Everybody knows that if she comes back to Britain she’ll be living on benefits - why should taxpayers shell out for the likes of her?
I think she looks great in the desert 🐪 long may it last.
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Bet you look great in dungarees😂
If you want her back, Peter, let her come and live with you and your family.
She might do us all a favour if she did 🙂
@@petersmith2522 I don’t think he meant you! 😂
@@NoLefTurnUnStoned. 😁
He'd have to sleep with one eye open and employ a full security team.
@Abitofsanity this is how sensible people with a brain think. Sick of lefty do gooders wanting to go through the right channel. She joined a terrorist group, she helped murder people murder. Fact. What trial do we need. She is a traitor and collaborator and she committed treason. Go and cry your lefty tears elsewhere.
The problem with Hitchens stance is that when she comes back she has said that she will be prepared for court and sentencing. However, her lawyers will use the under age, groomed, and trafficked for sexual purposes. Also they will argue that any evidence collected is unreliable. So probably wont even go to court. Even if it went to court and she got a prison sentence say 8yrs i bet her lawyers would argue for immediate release as she has already spent that time in the syria. And i am not even a lawyer😀😀
but you are right thats why she wants back
Would cost a fortune protecting her and she would write a book making her a fortune rubbing peoples noses in it.
So you don't defend the laws that make this country 'better' than other countries and that is the British rule if law.
Non of her crimes are in this contry so why put her on trial here..
@@momtazkhanom4336 She did'nt.
Hitchens makes a strong point. Due process should be implemented even in the most heinous cases. Trial by the media and the mob is not a valid substitute. As much as one might despise Begum, her loyalties, and actions, what precedent would this set for other cases? Why not let due process take its course?
Disagree when the person being trialed by media is a terrosit that poses an immediate threat to all of us and our children and conversations are being held like this considering allowing her to come home I think everybody are then more than within there rights to rise up and make a stand and voice there concerns on this it affects everyone of us so by you trying to urge people to stay quiet enough for this to take place being our backs isn't going to help anyone I think everyone should continue to voice there concerns so we will be listened to this is our country we pay to live in and we will protect it no matter what
As long as she's housed next door to you or Hitchens then
If we had proper sentences for people like her , she wouldn’t want to come back , but she knows she will get a few years in a comfy woman’s prison , then be housed and life on benefits paid for by us 🙈
She will have some big leftie lawyer who will get her off on a technicality
exactly wish they would stop going on about her one less terrorist for us she ran with them so she is still deemed a threat good enough for most in this country they can keep her where she is another do gooder trying to save her I care about their victims and the others that die because of people like her they can never ever come back and they the only innocents
There's no evidence of her committing crimes which could convict her in this country, so she won't be going to prison.
@@jamesflaherty59 difficult to get evidence off the dead from a war zone. Although just bc evidence is not available does not mean she is innocent of a plethora of crimes. No one was a tourist in IS
@@emilygooner9697 But that’s not how law works. You can’t convict someone of murder or rape because you think they might have done it.
I watched IROMG programme this morning + as a long term fan of Peter Hitchens…I was dumb struck astonished at his take on this. I cannot bear injustice in any form but this Begum case needs closing forthwith.
Agree, why would anyone with intelligence worry about a cretin like her , it doesn’t make sense SB deserves nothing incl British justice. Let her have some of her own preferred justice IS style she how she likes that.
Hes a tool
I really like listening to Peter, I find him fascinating. I really disagree with his position on drugs, but this I thought he brought some credible arguments. However on a personal level, I don’t believe she should come back
But if you have exceptions to justice you’re on a slippery slope. He knows and we knows she will probably be found guilty but it’s the process that’s important if you want to hold up democracy and the rule of law.
@@languageoffootball Did you mean she will be found not guilty? Surely that's why the government doesn't want her here at any cost -- the chances of warzone evidence being adduced that meets the evidential threshold seems unlikely to say the least.
She has to stay where she is and face the consequences of her actions
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And the people she stood by and watched be murdered and the people who where beheaded and their heads put in a bucket next to her, where punished without doing anything wrong and they where innocent.
No need to put her on trial. She hasn't just admitted committing vile inhumane acts, but boasted & gloated about them. These crimes occured in Syria, so that is where she should face justice. The fact that she hasn't been tried over their, is testament to the appalling state the country is currently in.
What acts has she admitted committing?
She's a British citizen not a Syrian citizen. If she were white, she'd be allowed back just like Lisa Smith was.
Hmmmm?
I agree with Peter 90% of the time but what dope did he smoke before this podcast?
I would rather the courts sort out the 🇵🇰 grooming gangs in uk than waste time on the none threat political distraction that is shamima begum
Hitchens is anti dope thats why hes a dope
@@petersmith2522 I'm also anti-dope and I know he is too but I just can't agree with him on this topic. I understand his Christian principle behind His stance in that Shamina is akin to The Prodigal Son in Jesus' parable from Luke 15 but frankly the Christian culture in the UK isn't strong enough nor is the justice system trustworthy enough that such principles can be carried out without it being further detriment to the country. The UK is a country on its knees so much so that the nation cannot afford to entertain anything that would further harm Christianity or the native culture. Therefore Shamina needs to be left to dry, she simply cannot be trusted.
@@humanbeing4841 even jesus used dope
@@humanbeing4841 its been found in all the holy temples and even in the pyramids
How anyone can justify her returning to the UK is beyond me it was her choice now the UK have made theirs sorry your not wanted here....ever again
All those people that lost their heads didn't get much of a trial either. 😞
Hitchens is the only journalist transcending the right and left shite, thinking for himself and not blinded by irrational confirmation bias. Don't agree with everything he says but he undoubtedly the number 1 thinker of our time. One of the biggest treasures we have in the UK right now.
Hes an absolute tool very backward like not seeimg the benefits of cannabis he wants the past to remain
@Rita Maid hes a bell
@Rita Maid theres a long list of benefits the scientists discovered that in the 80s its even shrunk brain tumours completely thats why the whole world but backward britain has legalized it fact
@Rita Maid its also an anti depressant helps sleep without taking a possibly fatal sleeping tablet i could go on and on
@Rita Maid i have some sleeping tablets but wont take one when i read that it can sometimes stop you breathing in your sleep cannabis doesnt do that but backward britain says swallow your tablets
Not a great take by Hitchens here tbh
Peter is wrong on this one. She's guilty by her own words.
She was 'sucked into a cult'. Really?who? Where are they? Still free in the UK?
Have a lot of respect for Peter but on this issue he is dead wrong on this.
Dead right for me.
She doesn't need a trial, she's admitted what she done and sorry isn't good enough. In this case Hitchens is wrong.
Everyone accused of a crime gets to plead in a court before sentence and punishment. Except the 15 year old who was groomed and brainwashed… where did our sense of justice go so horribly wrong.
Not even a Hitchens fan, but damn he shows Mike up to be the intellectual minnow he is.
No.
On a lighter note, I bet she never won any bonny baby competitions!
Bomby baby more like
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Nothing to see here, move along
She trafficked herself for inhuman Enemy reasons.
Love PH but he’s wrong here
She think again if she deicides to go clamping again in Syria
Come on Peter, you're so much better than this.
No hes not 😁
@@petersmith2522 Again… Wrong Peter!!
He is basically saying what he knows and believes in for over 50 years why would he change because of everyone hating one woman?.
Why not guarantor for her and invite her into Yr home then Pete? Simple.
Usually agree with peter on most things,but not this leave her there.she has no remorse and is a danger to uk citizens
When a permanent decision has been made why continue asking the same question every single day?
What about those who were murdered without a trial by the very group she willingly went to join! If she were brought back she'd be sentenced to at least 5 years and be out in 2. He really hasn't got a clue , totally unbelievable ignorance for an intelligent man !
I respect your opinion but for me the answer is NO! They do not need the likes of her, they have all the intelligence they need but are usually hamstrung and are not allowed to act on this due to human rights etc as proven by the bomber who they had over 23 danger points against him but still managed to kill innocent people!
Again I respect your opinion, but to glorify or indeed travel freely to any region that overseas the deaths of innocent people and when questioned does see anything wrong or indeed is upset at" seeing decapitated head's in bucket's" is abhorrent to me but if you accept this then this reflects your conscious not mine. Again I thank you for your response!
I don't have sympathy for her plight as such, but I think Peter is right in that she was stripped of her citizenship in a rather dubious way. It's quite evident that she is now stateless and it is quite evident she has no real connection to Bangladesh. As mentioned in this very debate, there are other people already back in the UK, who did much the same thing, but the government couldn't manage to argue they had another state option. I think the reason why so many people are okay with it is that they know the government and country is overall weak on crime and terrorism and this gives some easy victory worthy of overlooking the dubious aspects of how it was accomplished. We consider her current plight apt, therefore we overlook the method.
He's just a contrarian. It's served his bank account well over the years.
Begum committed NO crime in the UK so she should face trial in Syria. Lets STOP giving her lawyers legal aid and put this never ending saga to bed.
Do they not have courts and trials where she is?
I agree with Peter
Who cares about her? Think about others: you bring her in, you will have people sympathizing with her, making her into a victim. Next thing she will be writing books and making movies and being glorified…
If she comes back and faces trial, most of the evidence against her will not be accepted in a British court, unfortunately
There is no “evidence against her” except that she joined a terrorist cult.
I'm no fan of hers, I agree with her losing her citizenship; the taxpayer shouldn't be burdened with her because of a choice she made * 15 years old is above the age of criminal responsibility and she has to live with the consequences - but why are people going to Ukraine to fight hailed as heroes but those who go and fight in other wars can't return? Just saying there seems to be a double standard here...
Let us know when Ukraine is at war with the UK military.... like ISIS was. You have to be putting it on, no one is that obtuse.
Not old enough to drive a car or buy a beer or tobacco. Not old enough to have sexual relations or watch an 18 movie. But old enough to not be seduced into a mistake that has basically ruined her life and her family’s.
Be quiet. Russia are our enemy, threaten us with destruction daily and need to be stopped. Ukrainians are heroes, you're a Russian bot and should lose your citizenship just like traitors like her.
15 for one year she did not change her stance as she got older the aid workers murdered were there to help people just like her she could of come back a lot sooner but she stayed started a family and made it her home@@NoLefTurnUnStoned.
@@dianecameron137 She said she was too scared to leave. A friend of hers tried and was killed.
The elephant in the room is the fundamentalist literal reading of 'holy books'. Perhaps that's part of the reason Peter is reluctant to condemn the misguided girl.
This isnt an innocent women, she is guilty and she doesnt even deny her actions. Yes we could try her in court but why bother? We dont want her here now or if and when she finishes her sentence. Because the likely outcome of a trial is she will be given a very lenient sentence if found guilty and then end up here anyway all funded by the taxpayer.
Trial now that's a joke as she joined a group who didn't believe in giving the people they murdered a trial , she says she has NO regrets watching innocent people being beheaded so please don't expect sympathy from us , we don't want her here as she does not deserve forgiveness
Finally someone talking calm sense. I am always interested to hear what Peter hitchens says. Always the voice of reason.
I could listen to either Hitchens brother until the end of time
In the first interview she gave she stated it was for religious reasons, she knew ISIS murdered people and cut off their heads and she was fine with that, it didn't bother her, she's changed her story many time, why on earth would we want her back hear, her crimes weren't committed here, she'd cost us a fortune.
Money spent on justice is never wasted
@@momtazkhanom4336 Correct, Syria will have to fund it, that's where the crime took place.
I rarely disagree with Mr Hitchens. I generally find his opinions to be in accordance with my views but in this opinion I certainly do disagree.
She's eligible for Bangladesh citizenship so I imagine that's a factor in the Home Office decision.
Apparently they said they would execute her.
Hitchens does pick some lost causes.
He prefers contrary positions because it makes him look more important. Agreeing with other people would be bad for his ego.
@@alanrobertson9790 He banged on and on about the problems with being in the EU, but when there was a referendum on it - he didn't bother to vote.
@@rewdwarf123 I didn't know that - sounds about right.
@@rewdwarf123 Because he doesn’t agree with referendums to decide critical political decisions.
so what .....she can stay where she is
This is the problem with Peter, Mike states that she is a danger to the country (according to mi5) and Peters answers is essentially "what if it happened to you?", that doesnt answer the question of safety. He also states in one breath that everyone deserves mercy but is all for the death penalty.
According to Mi5 Hmmm Those trustworthy fellows. Seeing as they won’t tell us exactly why she is a danger to us all, maybe you can hazard a guess?
The problem being if her parents hadn't originated in Bangladesh then the Government wouldn't be able to do what they did, even if MI5 has a thousand page dossier of reasons. She was born and raised in Britain. She has never even visited Badladesh. The method used is highly dubious, but I think we overlook the dubious method because we actually think it is an apt punishment. Just one not supported by the law. I think it's also because we know full well she won't be help accountable if she returns to the UK.
@@johnstrong5436 We all know that the legal system in the UK is flawed or poorly applied in many cases (something Peter has noted himself). But we want Shamina to be able to access that legal system which will undoubtedly give her a lenient sentence, in which she will likely only serve half her sentence (if she is found guilty at all), then BAM! she is back in the UK and gets to live a new, tax payer funded life. She has shown no real regret, nor stated that she would not do the same again. She wants back in because the enemy she joined was defeated not because she realised the error of her ways. As for her parents, well arguably they shouldnt have been allowed to become UK citizens considering some of her father's practices and beliefs. Shamina hardly has heritage in this country considering her parents moved here from Bangladesh. She betrayed the UK, she turned against "her country" so she clearly doesnt have much love for the UK. Most of us do not want her back. For her punishment and our safety she now gets to be exiled and guess what? 99% dont not care.
@@NoLefTurnUnStoned. Yeah, you are right, we shouldnt trust MI5 (or own own internal logic) when they say that a girl who left to join the terrorist organisation ISIS and then only wanted to come home when they defeated, has shown zero remorse or empathy, hasnt apologised or shown any regret is likely a possible threat to the UK.
@@johnstrong5436 "she has never even visited Bangladesh", She didnt have an issue leaving the UK for a new life in another country before. Nor did she intend to return to the UK as far we know so why is it an issue now? She had already left the Uk and made a home elsewhere in which she likely participated and or supported many heinous acts.
Not being punished, Shamima is being looked after by Kurdish authorities, well fed and able to promote her own celebrity status worldwide. Meanwhile the Yazidi women and girls brutalised by ISIS religious sex slavery have to spent the rest of their lives punished by that unimaginable trauma, if they managed to servive at all. Why does a devout Islamist actually want to live in an infidel country?
she gave up what she had here and the girls born there have never had the free schooling free medical care free to have the jobs or free speech they chose to leave that behind
Why take her back? What have the British people done to deserve her? A judge has said she shouldn't return and that should be enough.
Hitchens is right. The host is ignorant
At the end of the day if there's anybody in the uk England yesterday in the uk England feels that she should be allowed to come back to the uk have to take on the financial burdens that she will create that I have to be responsible they have to be responsible for her pay for the security and so forth it doesn't come out of the taxpayer's money of the taxpayers money or pocket These muppets don't understand she would never be trusted believed and also she would have to have around-the-clock's security These people don't want us to come back to the uk 100% should get the bill She knows if she goes to any other countries they will execute her for what she has done Make no mistakes about that
She is not UK citizen. It was never be our problem.
Murderers etc etc etc don't lose their citizenship...
So... they didnt join a foreign enemy that wants to destroy the state.
This is the point that no one is looking at!!
Didums.
How can you say she is a threat. When we are letting in the boat people, who we don’t know anything about.Seems we are going the wrong way
Can't help but agree with everything Hitchens says, great thinker and totally unbias to any side.
If she comes back she will get off because our justice system is so soft and end up in the Jungle with Ant n Dec.
Begun is an ex British Citizen! Fact! She is imprisoned in a camp for her crimes! Fact! If she is given back her British Citizenship she will immediately charged, tried and put into a prison in Lebanon for 20 years! Fact! Peter your a fool! Fact!
What has Lebanon got to do with any of this?
I feel really bad for d girl, she's actually a victim (whether we believe it or not), it's d ideology that made her abandon her decent life that should be tackled, not d victim of that ideology
Mike Graham is such a cringelord. _"Grrr, see how big and tough I am!"_ Peter thoroughly owned him here.
Mike 'You can grow concrete' Graham got his backside slapped here 🤣
shes no longer british, so not entitled to a trial in british court, let syria deal with her
Peter is right in principle, but if she gets her trial, can she then be pushed out of the country? Also, who was upset that Bin Laden didn't get an expensive trial? Well, frankly, not me.
If she gets back, our institutions will make sure she is walking free and in a university rehabilitating.
Peter, as he often is, is unfortunately correct.
I believe so too Knave, he is not trying to be clever he is just saying what he has for over 40 years thought is the bleedin obvious, one female terrorist who happens to be hated by the majority is not going to change that.
Ok lets agree if Begum is been punished without a trial is that the same as saying Putin and Julian Assange are guilty of crimes with out a trial.
If we had a foreign national come here and commit a serious crime (as happens) we would expect to punish them here and then deport them, or even try them and deport them for punishment. if in the meantime, their own country revoked their citizenship, I am sure Mike Graham, based on his position over Shamima Begum, would be perfectly happy for said criminal to simply stay here and become our problem in perpetuity. Or maybe not, and he just hasn't thought things through, holding to principles that remain consistent.
Great debate. One of the best I've seen on any current affairs programme. Got me thinking about a few things, that's for sure.
Whatever you may think of this woman, Hitchens is right.
She’s a woman and has been treated differently than men, so this is misogyny. 😡😡😡
We don’t want her or need her keep her out
Wow Peter Hitchens here makes an extremely good argument.. he’s right, the fact that we abhor terrorism is that reason we have to be better than terrorist and we need to allow any person the right to fair trial before being punished.
The worst acts that she is accused of didn't take place within the jurisdiction of UK courts, but in Syria or Turkey. Indeed give her a trial - In Syria under Syrian law and then let any punishment be meted out there. Afterwards, she could maybe return to Britain to face charges for crimes committed here, but I've a feeling she won't be back in that case.
Let her be tried in Bangladesh where she is a citizen!
This lady is still born a British citizen and she should be allowed to listen to her story and why she has been deported to Syria and abandoned by the government UK. She should be able to get her justice if any. ! She left to fight isis a regime movement a terrible terror organisation which has a lot of pain and suffering. It’s totally not fair. She has been banned in Bangladesh their she will be arrested and jailed or prosecuted by law. She has to come back from her hearing. It’s hard to understand but her hearing must be herd. She joined isis and her actions were very difficult to understand and her harsh reality and no one can help her. ! She has been misleading her to tell her stories of her life. Why can’t she have a hearing in the UK. ! She has lost all hope her independence and the laws. She was co hurst into all bad habits decisions making. Her life was valuable to her family but no one wants to listen to her anymore. ! Her plight was not taken seriously due to Security Risks and her inability to behave and act on good intentions and her bad behaviour. She has become a victim of all isis and just a open wound victim of abuse and intimidation by other Citizens and now she is suffering now ! Her Citizenship has failed and her life has no value at all. Why can’t the British government help her she has become stateless and no one wants to listen to her. ! She did this by her own free will and at 15 years of age left the UK. She has suffered multiple times and her bad decisions making of her criminal record or has to go to court. She has been exposed and exploited by the isis in Syria. It’s still unclear and humiliating for her to continue to suffer and still live in the shadows of camps. ! A second chance can be put forward she might be able to. It depends on the circumstances. !
Peter you’re wrong on this occasion
Let's talk about the Yazidis. They where punished without trial. Many suffered ten times worse than what Ms Begum has suffered.
One thing that’s been puzzling me over this, where are the parents and family of Shamima Begum? What do they think of her actions?
Seems the Lefties have taken over their role, she is a hired hand
I used to listen to Peter Hitchens be it on Covid, Vaccines, Russia or Shamima Begum but there is no coherent philosophy other than liking the sound of his own voice and generally taking a contrary position to what most people think. If he ever appears with other speakers he talks over the top of them drowns them out. You might agree with him on some issue and disagree with him on another, its entirely whimsical, there is no bedrock of rational thought or philosophy.
So you like him on a whole range of issues but then when you disagree with him one time he's suddenly incoherent, whimsical and irrational. I bet you'll also say the left silences people it doesn't agree with right? 🤣
@@anonymouse740 The important thing is WHY people think things not WHAT. I take each issue on its own merits. I don't assess the merits of an issue based on what Peter Hitchens thinks. On covid lockdowns we happened to agree but I'm am a safety assessor who can do cost-benefit analysis whereas Peter Hitchens is just a windbag.
@@alanrobertson9790 safety assessor ? Sounds like " diversity czar " .. elf ,n, safety eh 😉? Lol 😆😂🤣
@@misiasert1348 Its design safety, how many safety systems do you need in a chemical or nuclear plant to be adequately safe? But I have often thought that after a nuclear war, electricians, car mechanics or farmers would be useful. A safety engineer probably not. Very much a rich societies concern. So I can see where you are coming from.😊😊
To allow any government of any political persuasion to be able to petition it's legal system and have that legal system agree and inact such a ruling is incredibly dangerous 🤔. It effectively means that those in power can act like like tyrants and the common man would have no protection. Laws aren't there to be popular or easy, they are there to be just and should be built on individual liberty of it's citizens.
if you dont want to lose citizenship dont do what she did or be breaking British law then there wont be a problem will there if you do that on you
Tbh there are far worse people in the UK who arent nationals and arent deported.
one less
Then she can return to Pakistan for a Trail.
She's bengali so she can't return to Pakistan! Bangladesh is on the Eastern side of India Pakistan is on the western side of India....2 separate countries
How can she return to a place she’s never been to?
@@AD-gb2tr Then there then.
@@NoLefTurnUnStoned. The Country she has the Citizenship with. Bengal.
@@darrenporter1850 Bengal isn’t a country 🙄
This is quality from you too Mike
Peter is right on this one. Firstly people saying "she doesn't deserve forgiveness" or anything along those lines is completely missing the point. It's not about forgiving her, it's about citizenship and the states ability to make you stateless without a trial. She should be brought back here and thrown in prison and I hate to say it but when she does eventually get out she should be monitored for life even if it does cost money. I couldn't care less about her personally but you wait until it's someone who is considered "anti-woke" or "racist" or perhaps a "white nationalist terrorist" and they decide they can take their passport away. What will you all say then? It's unfair? They can't do that? Well we've set a president that they indeed can do that with this case. How about Tommy Robinson? If the next Labour government decide he's a terrorist I'm sure you'll all be fine if when he goes on abroad he finds his citizenship has been revoked by the courts?
What does 'citizenship' mean to you? What are the rights and responsibilities, if any, that come with having citizenship? To be clear, I think this punishment is harsh but justified. Open to be persuaded otherwise but I do think having one's citizenship revoked for a country one has demonstrable contempt for isn't beyond the pale.
@Anonymouse Spot on! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Seems as hypocritical as most stuff in clown land these days ! 🙄 We invite invaders to stay at our expense in 4 star Hotels yet ol beggin is left in the desert... Bring her home & let her stay at pontins.. She,ll soon be running back to I s I s