Helldivers 2 players punish toxic hosts! Joel DID NOT join the game and gift players an unreleased APC stratagem! Helldivers mission end stats mean literally nothing and don't represent a players skill!
0:00 It's NOT JOEL!
1:42 Helldivers 2 player stats drama!
5:26 Toxic Host Kick Problem
6:50 Helldivers 2 Players PUNISH Toxic Hosts!
12:01 This Helldiver Found the Super Samples
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Stats obviously mean nothing, except when I'm playing with my best mate in which case if I get one more kill than him, I was definitely hard carrying him the entire time.
This one, this one right here! Nail on head ^^
Lmaoooo so true tho 😂
Same. If my friend gets more kills, I was carrying him on the objectives. If I get more kills, I was carrying him on everything
@@angmori172 this is the way
@@paulchilds1893 this is the democratic way
They should just do what Deep Rock Galactic does: If you get kicked from a game, you get your share of loot from the game from everything the team gathered up to the point you were kicked. If you leave the game by yourself you get nothing.
Yes. Fuck yes. This is exactly what we need.
This can be absolutely abused. If they fail you already got rewarded but they don't. People could just join in and kill the host or other players or just sit doing nothing to get kicked on higher difficulties to farm samples. Either they change it so everyone keeps samples permanently which is a horrible idea cause i personally love the rogue element to it you die you lose it.
Yes. The pricks kicking when I get in the pelican just to keep samples.
Make it so host loses 25% of loot each time he kicks a player. Let's see how these toxic bumholes like it now!
@@SM-oc4rc And what if the teammates are killing him? Alerting hordes? Being overall assholes? Then he ends up loosing because some shithead decided to be an asshole today.
Only stat that should matter is how much freedom we can deliver
There are OTHER STATS?!!
Yes, the only thing that matters is your DPS, Democracy per second....
@@BismarckSchneizer Most underrated comment. You've clearly been targeted for suppression by the socialist scum 😡
It's kinda dumb. I like having the highest amount of kills, but simultaneously hate having the highest accidentals. -arc thrower main
We need a new "Freedom Ratio" score, but it's just a random number with no bearing on gameplay just to troll people
I think adding the option to block the ppl who kicked you so you never match with them would be enough.
You can. You just need to pay attention to the name of the host (when it's a kicking issue), then go to recent players in the social tab. If you're not sure of the player's name in the randomish list, it has a timer as to how long ago you played with them. Just find the lowest time and you'll find 1-3 players that match. Sometimes you may not notice a name and only remember that it was "B1", hopefully only one person's name started with a B.
I only kick people when they are obliviously too low level to help on the mission im doing, like if im on suicide difficulty and a level 3 joins. What the heck is he doing queuing up on this difficulty? Is he hoping well boost carry him?
@@MacMashPotato Um how about you consider the fact that they have that difficulty level unlocked to being with? I made it to helldive at level 16 and got kicked as soon as I joined.
I've have really low level players absolutely crush it on difficulty 7+
thats fair, The only time i kick people is when the IRL homies wanna jump but I usually tell them.
On four separate occasions. I've been kicked from inside the pelican as we are taking off after a successful mission completion. Usually after spending 30 minutes or so gathering samples and helping complete objectives. Two of those times I was the sole survivor. I can only imagine the host was waiting to see if got the samples on board before kicking. Those experiences are some of the most toxic I've had in over 30 years as a PC gamer. And I pity the hosts of those games. As that type of behavior clearly represents a defect of their real life lack of character
Yeah I got one of those to. I was fuming.
i've done that to people before, but only if they purposefully screwed someone on the team, but even on helldive if a random space cadet wants to piggy back my operation with only lvl1 stratagems, as long as they're trying to win and not trying to screw our team, they can finish the mission with me
Happened to me I was so pissed i literally almost leaked the fucks ip then realized im not a degen and I should behave myself
Literally happened to me just before watching this video. 3 of was were going to be able to extract but the host had wanted to pad his kills before leaving. Don't know if anyone else was booted, but I certainly was with 4 seconds left on the clock.
@@thejinxedplatypus sorry to hear that man. You def didn't deserve it.
Simply because it would be hilarious, I want them to add a shovel as a melee-only sidearm. Something that is really only effective against small enemies and just makes that armor _tink_ sound against armor.
you can swing the Expendable Anti Tank like a baseball bat if you melee with it... My favorite melee animation in the whole game.
I see the KRIEG spirit is strong in this one. I will give my kidney for a spoon as melee weapon, so I can spoon feed democracy to the enemies.
That'd be a funny idea to do. Id do it. I'll just whack some bugs with my recoiless rifle for now.
40k krieg crossover when
Idk man, some absolute chad citizen destroyed a destroyer with a shovel after burying his friends
Wow that guy with the samples is such a chad. I’m gonna start doing that when I get a a toxic host. Fuck these losers taking the most fun co-op game I’ve played in years and trying to min/max it. If you want to optimize everything, play with your buddies. Don’t open your lobby to public if you’re just going to kick everyone for not playing how you want. That’s not very democratic of you
Exactly.
Well said!
If you take turrets, mines, mortars, or guard dogs you deserve the kick.
I only kick when somebody is actively being a troll. Was grinding out low level missions on Mantes and had a guy in a mission steal my shield backpack, refuse to give it back, and then shoot me in the back repeatedly. Shot him in the head when he turned around, took my pack back, and kicked him. The other two Random cadets just catching up to us, stopped and stared in horror. I explained the situation using in game comms, they then nodded, helped me align the radio tower, and proceeded to play chill low level missions with me for liberation grind over the next couple of hours. Had good conversations where I gave them info and tips on dealing with bots on higher difficulties. I don’t kick almost ever, but if you come in actively being rude/annoying, or being suss about whether you’re trying to grief and team kill that’s an easy way to get ejected from my lobby. I personally love new and learning cadets though, even on higher difficulties. If they stick it out, and don’t give up, there’s always room in my squad for a newer player.
the same happened to me, the guy thought it was funny to start stealing my stuff and actually shot me in the back for no reason, but i let it slide the first time and after the moron kills himself with my flamethrower i grab it back and as soon as he lands he tried to kill me again to get it but since i was wearing the shieldpack (and never took my eyes off the guy since he shot me the first time) i saw him trying to shoot me so i dived and nailed his ass with the revolver only to teabag his body and kick him out of the match.
I've been in a lot of missions where the team uses up all our reinforcements defending some random hill in the middle of nowhere. But if you run off on your own to do something productive, you better not die, or you're getting reinforced back on that stupid hill, in the middle of the shit, and nowhere near your gear or any samples you collected. If they bother reinforcing you at all.
The number of missions where we’ve been surrounded by half a dozen gunships, and I’m trying to get to the fabricator to stop them spawning, and my teammates keep reinforcing themselves (and me when I inevitably get one-shotted by a rocket) back INTO THE MIDDLE OF THE RING OF ANGRY DROPSHIPS utterly confuses me. Dude! Throw that beacon somewhere else and let’s get out of here! 😂
It's one of the reasons why so many don't like fighting the bots cause if you have that mentality of 'kill everything' than the bots will put you in your place. I hope these players can change their mindset cause when the Illuminate are added, you really don't want to engage in a fire fight with those guys.
if you start increasing the difficulty you start to get better teammates. youll still run into people who shouldnt be on that level, but on average you get smarter players
This is why I find the illuminate hype funny because bots and illuminate really require teamwork compared to bugs and a lot of people only play bugs. They’re going to get destroyed trying to pick fights every chance they get. Don’t get me wrong, this is fun to make missions hard in a squad of friends, but in a randoms match this will be an uncoordinated nightmare and make people just play bugs again.
so you think the answer is no new content becouse some people are scum? So we all need to be punished. gtfo its not everyone elses fault you are bad, if you want to play a single player game go elsewhere. @@Crispy_DAWG
you do not get better teammates, you get people who still dont get the game. running away is the stratagy for the game@@RugsterClaps
It's a skill issue. That's all.
I dropped into a active battlefield with 3 other helldivers, 1 and 2 were clearly buddies, 3 and myself were randos. As we made our way to the evac site, 2 told us to drop our samples so we can proceed to clear the rest of the fabricators, I typed that 3 and I didnt have samples and he started killing us. I was on PC and could react faster, I killed 2 and seeing how they treated 3 and I, I boarded the pelican. 1 berated me on my "Traitorous" actions and killed me in the pelican. I said good job, now no one has the super samples and left.
Some dick killed me because he wanted me to leave the samples at the extraction site. These were common samples
I personally like the kicking system. Never want to use it, but if you’re gonna team kill (on purpose)… you’re out. Had a random teammate (lvl50) who would refuse to respawn others when they’d die. Well he died later in that game and no one wanted to respawn him lol Oh boy was he mad
Or just using it to cull out general toxic loser behavior. I had a game where one teammate wanted to use mines on a defensive mission and another player started LOSING HIS MIND calling him an fing r*tard etc. I told him true patriots don't treat thier brothers in arms that way and he was out. BTW the guy wen on to use the mins extremely effectively, throwing them in great locations that screened tons of enemies.
Taking away my control as host. Is garbage. Fuckk this community. its as toxic as leauge. I dont play around.
@@stryker0aeI mean mine are probably the worst defense in the game but if he can use it effectively, then no one should care. Problem was everyone loves to overreact, I wouldn’t mind if someone carried my ass
@@You_Ate_My_Soap I agree they're very niche but he found that niche and used them great. Not to mention I've never lost a mission because of them. I've only ever blown myself up a few times. I don't like people freaking out trying to tell others how to play. I don't need to be carried. And I don't want to listen to someone like that.
The only on-purpose teamkilling of random teammates I condone is when you just finished the primary and you got Brave Brave Sir Robin running his ass to evac like a coward and calling it in while the rest of the team has already agreed BEFORE DROPPING (or at least during the mission) to at least finish all secondaries and get as many samples as possible. I've torched one dude already for doing that, and did not call him back in until Peli aborted his evac
The only stat that matters is Accidentals
“Mission accomplished without one friendly fire incident….makes the paperwork easier for me.” That one always makes me giggle a little.
That's why I try and farm the highest accidentals per match.
and deaths, if some guy dies 12 times and takes up the reinforcments.
@@moedark4390 That's why accidentals matter. If someone has 12 accidentals, now you know why the other guy died 12 times.
I think if you kill yourself, like the game actually says "Killed by ", it counts as an accidental as well. I personally get a few accidentals every now and then because I somehow eliminated myself.
Once I started my mission accidentally landing my pod on a hellbomb. Hell of an entrance. I lived, surprisingly.
What ticks me the most is when you join random, do a "ok" run and when every1 boards evac this smart*** (host)kills the other 3 inside peli and flies off by himself not even picking samples. Might be a good idea to add -exp/money (for person) if you kill team mates like we have with civilian evac, will atleast dial down the toxic killing sligtly In high difficulties its quite common even with no comms people usually split 2x2, where 2 do main objectives and other do extras and sample hunting , while keeping an eye on other group if they need help.
they should put in a update where after you board the pelican1 your in a safe zone and can't be killed of kicked something like that. Only happened to me a few times but still sucks.
Although I agree it sucks (thankfully since I started playing less than a week ago I think the player base has matured a bit at least and this has not happened to me), killing teammates is basically a part of the game... Not encouraged, mind you, but I think the developers see it as an inevitable thing so people don't rage (it's even part of the tutorial "in case you've killed a teammate don't worry, it's the price of freedom, just bring a new one) and it even works in lore, seing as in war soldiers are just numbers, that's why the preset voice is random on new characters, because we are not reviving, just sending the next poor sod blinded by the military propaga-- I mean, democracy loving super patriot.
I would argue the whole point of the game isn’t even to finish the mission but it’s just to have fun. There’s always so much talk about the optimal way to do this or that but in reality many who bought this game don’t bother going on the internet to see things like this. They got the game cause they heard of the fun. If you want people to play a certain way then it’s on you to communicate, find a new squad, or adapt. I think that’s the true meaning of being a Helldiver.
To bad thats not the majority of the playerbase. The meta matters now. Bots are not meta nobody is going to do bots. End of
@@MauseDayswe just need a major order revolving around the bots and more people will come help
Well said
I take pride in hosting and being told "thx for not kicking me". On one hand, I'm happy to provide a lobby where gamers can play the way they want. On the other, it makes me sad how common it is for folks to be kicked for simply playing the game in an acceptable way. It's a video game first and foremost. I work 40hrs a week and I jump on Hell Divers to have fun. I'm here for fun and fun alone. There's no reason why you should be gate keeping fun from people because they aren't playing the game YOU want them to.
Great view but if that was the thing then maybe they shouldn’t added upgrades to the ships. Like for me all I care about is samples.
"Hey guys I need to get back to work" We all know his work is just joining another game and spawning it
the issue is that so many see helldivers as a action pew pew game it is not a action pew pew game, it is a puzzle game were the tools are pew pew in different forms xD
Heresy. It's pew pew liberation 🤨🤨🤨🫡😁
it’s like an rts, but you have wayyy more control over how the mission plays out
@@ubulayne_ _It's like an RTS, but it's in third person, sometimes first person, and you are a shooter._
Fair bit of the time it’s a run away sim
I agree, tho I see it as everyone thinking it is like Call of Duty co-op when it’s more like an ARMA-lite tactical shooter where completing objective matters more than kill count.
I stopped playing QP and joining matches because I once completed a 40 minute mission, got to evac, the host failed to evac, so he kicked everyone from the game. I wasted 40 minutes for no xp. Im only hosting from then on
Was he there or did someone call in evac without everyone there/close? Were others trying to do side objectives and someone called in evac, context could completely make that justified
@@Mr_Big_Head all 4 of us were defending evac. The host in question died due to a misplaced strategem, airstrike I think. Wasn't my fault. In fact I'm almost positive he killed himself, but we called him back, he just didn't get in the ship before the timer ran out. So yeah, kicked after 40 minutes of helping these guys for nothing. I'm only hosting games now to avoid such bs.
@@dmwanderer9454 yea then that was pretty lame of them then
Happened to me right before watching this video. I've never gotten angry with any part of this community until that moment, nor have I had anything but fun. I've had my random kicks before, but this was the first where we were done and ship leaves in 4 seconds.
But doesn't it take a while to get ppl to respond to your sos?
The only good bug is a dead bug. I used to kick people for obnoxious hot mic. Stopped doing that once I found the mute button. I do love how the SuperDestroyer has unlimited firepower to murder you for desertion, but for the mission, they have cool downs.
Desertion is the 5th strategem
Deserter annihilation is on a separate budget from the mission stratagems
Making it harder to kick people won't make toxic players any less toxic. Just block them and move on. Find friends in medium difficulties, get good, run harder difficulties when you have good synergy.
ps blocking doesn't stop SOS matchmaking i've matched with people ive blocked multiple times. hosting is the only solution but completely ruins the sos beacons and not every mission shows up on the world map so it takes tons of time waiting by yourself for one team member to join
I think it’s neat that all of the vehicles we’ve seen previewed through some means or another can be found as wreckage throughout the various maps
Btw, splitting up is one of the strongest ways to play this game. A groupe of 4 ppl playing on helldive (3 primary objective and then the 1 final mission) should split up each their objectives expect for one person who should stay as far away from the objectives. This person should also bait as many bug breaches as possible since bug breaches have a hard cooldown and the other 3 ppl will be able to do the objectives without being breached on. The roamer should also drop his samples to his teammates whenever he gets the chance since he will usually be getting followed. For the other 3, they should wait for a bug breach to be called on the bait and then do the objectives. If you rather split in 2 parties of 2, this is a viable strategy but whoever gets the first bug breach will have a rough time and the 2 others will be walking through the mission no problem.
Yeah really like this way to play if someone’s willing to be the bait usually I’ll do it if I join a random but make sure to reinforce only if I’m last guy standing cause I do have a lot of bugs or bots following me most of the time
technically yes, but that also makes the game feel like a single player game and it sucks the fun out of it, even though it is more efficient
@@lowbearful I agree, man’s spiting facts. Play how you wanna play, cause I don’t play to the most efficient way possible that shit gets boring.
This actually sounds fun in a squad of four, could even give the baiter a cool nickname to denote the purpose of them. They should also be the most heavily armed with the lightest armor to run, so they can keep away while also throwing back heavy suppressing fire to keep the bots or bugs from advancing to their mates. Then again, it's up to the squad to determine how to play. It's obs a dangerous role tho, ur bound to die.
once you get really, really good at baiting the enemy away from the squad you should get the title "Master Baiter" - Ba dum Tsss LoL ;)@@Dakumun640
Had a situation couple of weeks ago where my buddy and I connected with 2 randoms, finish one whole diff 8 40 min mission, and on the second drop, I found the 5 super samples and a ton of commons and rares. Everything is going great, frying bugs all over the map, 20 min in, and my buddy accidentally arcs the lobby leader once through the bug. Immediate reinforce, shit happens, no big deal, I get killed a ton by randoms in the lobby. Well our lobby leader took things personal I guess, and my friend gets immediately kicked. When you get kicked you are banned from the lobby so there is no reconnection possible even with a friend in the mission. So I took the supes, jumped in the first bug hole, sealed the samples inside just in spite and left the lobby. Unless intentionally team killing and/or griefing - if I intend to kick someone from the party (and that is a rare occurrence in itself) I do it on the ship, not in the middle of the mission, no matter what loadout they bring in, or how they play, or if we succeed or fail the objective. It's just a game ffs. Kicking mid mission is a shitty move, and from my example, you never know if you are playing with 2 people in a discord call. :D
Jumping down a bug hole with the supers is so fucking devilish, I love it.
I threw a grenade at a sealed door, my teammate unknowingly walks on the grenade, dies. I reinforce him and he kicks me out.Nothing I can do, can't report him, nothing.
I usually do it that way too unless a player is doing something that's genuinely griefing such as repeatedly dumping strategems on us or, as of right now due to the crashes associated, using the arc weapons. I do not do it without warning, however. I always make it a point to warn the player first and only kick if the warning is ignored. It's admirable that you only kick outside of missions regardless of how it's going, but I just don't have patience for people who are genuinely causing problems.
Well your 100% your buddy fault! If you friendly fire with Arc you should no longer plays with that weapon in multiplayer. Because you suck at! If you ise Arc in multiplayer DO NOT SHOOT IN OTHERS PLAYERS DIRECTION!!!
I main as an arc thrower, and obviously had to put it away for now. Last night on with randoms, I tell an arc dude that arc weapons are crashing the game...he proceeds to tell me, that no, that only happens if the host is using arc weapons....2 minutes later he leaves, then the rest of us crash. Wish people would listen.@@Chloroxite
I've only kicked so far due to a team mate ignoring our requests to stop spamming his grenade launcher at chargers. We were speced for anti armour already and could take them out easily enough, but he just kept using the GL at chargers killing multiple team mates from the richochets.
Broooo yess this shit is SOOO annoying. I always have eats and like 1/4 matches theres always some idiot spamming GL so everytime u get a lil close with an eat he just deletes u. Like wtf are u doing do u not see ur teametes are specd for heavies?!?!?!😂 GL is great but plz stop shooting it at chargers ppl holy sht ur dumb
Let me guess. You were WRITING in chat for him to stop right?
this looks like a great stratagem to get a group of helldivers across long distances on the map super quick like if you complete the objective and need to haul ass to the evac point, one player can have this stratagem, call it in, and get the team to the evac point super fast this thing also seems to have two side gunner positions and is way more tanky than the mech!
Find it annoying in any game really where if the host will kick people cause they are wanting to only play with their friends or waiting for or keeping a spot open for a friend, but refuse to use the tools to make their lobby a friends or invite only game. At that point they are only causing their own issues and frustrations by not using the options to keep randomly joining players out of their lobby.
That I find annoying too, but up until only recently the in-game friends system wasn’t working. Setting the game to friends only still doesn’t allow people on your steam/ps friends list to join, only those on your friends list in game can join. So the only way around it until they fixed it last patch was to keep the lobby open until your friend joined and then close it. Though generally you’d do that before selecting a mission as randoms cannot join unless the hellpods are primed and ready to go.
Having a Democracy Score system (kinda like social credit/toxicity rating) would be interesting
YES, this could work, but how does it increase or decrease?
@@Mikebrowskimaybe after each mission in the stats screen there could be the DSS or in the social screen you can individually select a person in the recently played with section.
No no no, I see this going wrong in so many ways
Naw. Sometimes it's fun to join a low level game and trun the extract into a giant minefield.
Repeat team killing or an excessive amount of deaths are the only thing that's gonna get someone booted from my games and for the deaths I'm not gonna do it until between missions on the ship so they at least get the stuff they struggled for. People are power tripping hard. If you don't like this stuff and have enough time to play an entire set of missions I can't recommend being the host enough the game needs more good hosts.
Being able to check damage caused / kills by specific stratagems/weapons would be amazing
re: stats, there are certain weapon combos and certain enemies where, yes you'll be a slaughtering fool. that doesn't mean you'll be the best member of a team. for example, anyone running a rover vs bugs is going to automatically be at the top of the list, toss in a flame thrower or machine gun and that dude will REALLY be at the top of the kill list. so i'd usually expect people
Message to the sample hunters: There are always more samples in the next mission. You don't need to waste 30 mins and 14 deaths to gather those 7 extra commons and 4 rares when you'd get the same or more on your way to completing the primary objectives of another mission... Not to mention that more missions = better xp and helps the major orders.
Literally had a wasted mission over this. Team leader wanted to complete a mission on automatons. We go to drop samples on the extract point earlier in the mission, then moved on, knowing when we came back to extract, we could just pick up the dropped samples and move on. We completed the objectives and started on our way back, when we found out those samples we dropped earlier got sent to the corners of the map. We had less than 12 minutes left and little to no reinforcements left. Me and his gf (the other player on the three man team) went to the extract while he went to recover samples. We already had the extract called and was defending it when he died. He immediately gets mad about us not going to help him recover samples. I make the argument that we already have some samples and we just need to extract. He threatens kicking if we don't go back to recover samples, so he makes us stop the extract timer and go back to try and recover those lost samples, in which we already had little to no reinforcements left. Of course, we all died in the process and got nothing over his greed for samples. I felt bad for his gf, because most of our sessions, he is just gently yelling at her to do this, or go there, or pick up this weapon, etc. If his mission was samples, then go to a terminid planet and collect samples. Make sure people in the team know that's what we are actually doing, not "we are going to compete this really hard mission that I have been trying to compete for hours", complete it with barely any supplies left, then get mad because we didnt help recover every single sample in this hard mission.
@@ironglandx3270people need to understand the ship will just sit there till mission timer end or you can even make hover and kill everything near it
Most late game players don't care about XP. We'll all eventually hit level 50.
Samples I get. Super samples tho. Those are worth the effort. That I'll hit all the pois for the super credits and metals. I don't care if I don't make evac. I'll get all the medals and super credits.
@@agitatorjr I don't care about anything tbh, I'm max level, at sample cap, and have everything in all three warbonds, and every armor in the store. Its nice not having the stress of worrying about actually surviving the mission ever. I will use whatever I feel like and the three randoms I allow into my game can deal. I'm in it for fun, there is quite literally no progression left for me until they add more.
Some of the stats mean more than others, but kills mean practically nothing. A scavenger, a stalker, and a charger are all worth one kill. Yet they are not even close to the same difficulty. In an objective based game, stats only can tell part of the story. It doesn’t matter how many kills you got if your team lose the mission. Making a poor choice as a team is more likely to succeed than making a good choice by yourself.
If my teammates have a death count of like 7 and up I might kick them depending on reasons
Stats mean nothing except when my buddy and I are competing for the most accidentals, him with his barrages, or me with my minefields and tesla tower.
What? this armored military vehicle is the new arrival.
When I saw this yesterday I was about to say they can reintroduce the command a d report system. But today I went on helldivers 1 and found that people have been reporting me while I am still new (lvl 10) and now I can only join other players with bad standing of whom there is none leaving me to play by myself as noone joins even with an SOS.
super samples are shared, medals, super credits, they're all shared
I usually always have lowest kills sometimes by over a hundred because i bring in the big guns for heavys.
AH should add elite (medium enemies) and heavy kill counts to the scoreboard, like how Darktide has elite and special and boss damage, in addition to overall kills. Then add in some kind of objective competing score, and I think the endcard could provide some useful info.
There seem to be fewer spawns at extraction if you close all the bug holes. I haven't done the science but it seem like bug spawns tend to come from the direction of remaining bug holes. But this is my experience on challenging and may be different on higher difficulties.
Yh i agree with you.
I hear what your saying and agree with you to a point. Where i disagree is who needs to fix it. You look to Arrowhead to fix toxic players. I say we the community need to address it. Keep putting these people to the light. Dont indulge in there childish behavior. if they kick because they dont like your loadout. Doesnt take that long to get into another game. Let them rot alone. Keep getting TKd leave join another game.
People don't like taking initiative to find a solution they want the devs to fix it for them
I actually love when people have weird loadouts. I just brace that we’ll probably lose, but it sure as hell will be fun if we don’t.
my fave for bots is heavy fortified with ballistic shield. Immune to regular laser fire, and a rocket to the shield deals around 5% damage. Pair it with an SMG primary and the senator, and you may not have a lot of kills, but you can also draw fire away from your team, as long as you (somewhat) regularly get a kill, for which i just focus the small bots.
Is there a way to return to ship alone while you're a host?? You can do it in someone's lobby, but if im the host, I can't seem to find it. Sucks that I have to either kick people or quit the game and both feel awful. Sometimes I just want to check my upgrades, change armor, spend medals... or maybe take a small break to get some food. I don't like making people wait.
I feel like they can make cars and stuff random encounters before release, like you can stumble on a damaged but functional Warthog while on the field and use it.
Think the main things I'd kick for are just clearly intentional teamkilling/sabotage, and on harder difficulties, people that constantly cause unnecessary breaches after being warned, causing the team to be constantly overwhelmed. I've actually dropped down to difficulty 7 simply because the number of idiots that think you need to kill everything made it almost impossible to ever make extraction, because they've triggered so many spawns there's literally no way to survive extraction.
Ppl say they random que 7+ all the time and I genuinely don't know how. Every time I try lv7 with random I get 3 idiots that just wanna run mg's and sentries and shoot at everything that moves. It feels almost impossible to get 3 ppl to simply follow me around 😂
@@25JakeYou can use them as a distraction . Only one bug breech/bot ship can be active at a time . While they agro literally every mob on the map , go solo and just clear objectives on the other side of the map . The problem is usually extracting but it can be done with semi decent loadouts (usually) . You can just do stealth extract but that requires them to stay away - which they often wont . Also , if the timer expires , you get emergency extraction . You dont have to camp the Evac then - just hide and run to thee shattle when it lands
This is why I play with crossplay off(As a PC player) I’ve noticed I have more problems playing with PS5 players
@xurvos7550 I should probably try that too lol
me and a friend joined people , they kicked me because i had the most samples on me and the host wanted the samples for themselves..... a lvl 43 did not know samples are shared , so my friend who was still in the game explained that to him and the host said he is telling lies and its not shared at all......
Quick question: does it say the host kicked you when you’re in the ship or mission and the host turns the lobby to friends only? I had a lot of trouble in the beginning of the game with my friends connecting and had to set my lobby to public during that time. I never had to ask someone to leave thankfully cause every time, miraculously, I only had two friends who wanted to play, but I did set the lobby to friends only again and waited for the rando to leave or DC. Would it say the host kicked you in that instance?
I’d think it wouldn’t do anything to the random. They got there before you changed it to friends only, so why would the game automatically kick them?
It's a long story, but if you are on a mission and it's going poorly, please don't abandon the host or team. 😅 Was playing with a good team yesterday, me and one great player on voice chat. He had to dip out for a bit to look after something so I and the other two players went and began the next mission. The entry was very hot, a constant battle, chaos. They both left me there after ten minutes of fighting around the artillery we landed in on just when things were at it's worst. The only saving grace was that i had managed to get the artillery piece online in the midst of the fight (no easy feat) i couldnt leave the mission without at least trying to complete the objective so i fought my way out of the landing zone alone and used a mech to get me to the egg clusters half the map away. It was insane. One of those hold the trigger down and say a prayer moments. I had almost no ammo, no reinforcements left. Just a few artillery rounds and my machine pistol. I started clearing a huge nest and was on the verge of failing the mission, having at least done my best alone. It was then that a dude i had just met ( the guy that left earlier to sort something) dropped back in and saved my ass. What's even crazier is that we actually completed the mission both with bad setups because we thought we would have a bigger team. It ended up being one of my favourite missions so far because of this story. Moral of the story is that you should never give up on the mission no matter how bad it's getting. It's better to die dropping an artillery nuke on yourself while exfilling in a mech than it is to live as a coward calling yourself a helldiver.
The man, the myth, the Joel!
Yo that's my friend in the APC video!
"F" to doubt
@@TyDieMusicIts real i was the APC
@@memeydoge2624 lmao and I'm Joel 🤣
Yeah Kaz is a friend of my brother who got jumped by"Joel" in the video.
@@ardy5374 lmao 🤣
A lot of my end game screens are me with around 10-40 kills, but I did every side objective, main objective and hit every poi on the map while the rest of my team brawled for 30 minutes on d7-d9. It really doesn't matter as long as the objectives get done.
I've only ever kicked someone as host that tried to initiate evac alone while we three were clearing up enemy areas to collect samples.
Pretty sure this is a hacker pretending to be joel.
That clearly is, I don't think Joel would love being recognized anytime he plays the game
I'm sure they have dev accounts as well as their own personal accounts. But yea, who knows.. unless he confirms or denies.
@@kableguy8975I did watch a guy play with actual devs, but I doubt they would summon things in that are unfinished that we know hackers have been putting into games for a while now.
@@Clementinisepretty sure he have many accounts, some with gm rights
@chitin122 yea, I seen that vid as well. Good video. But truth be told, we aren't truly sure how finished any of it is. If "hackers" are bringing it in game, then why can't developers?
This isn’t a developer, this is a cheater
Sooooo can you give me the battle spoon? You know, as melee weapon.
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LMAO'ing at ur pfp 🤣
Source: “Trust me bro”
@@AdhvaithSane source is that I work at arrowhead
i seen some idiots who call extract without try find super sambles when we have still over 30 mins mission time left. also when they call reinforcement and instantly after team is back calling orbitalstike or airstrike on spot we landed. Those are reasons i kick people as host.
I joined a 3 man party a few minutes in, I did not understand the language the others were speaking so I don't know if they were annoyed with me. I did not have any friendly fire or deaths on my hands and was holding my own but I got the message "you were kicked" just as the ship was landing to end the mission. I'm assuming they did not get the 8 rare samples I had at least. Does the experience go down if there are more players? One Stat I would like is how much each person contributes to the objectives ie number of nests/factories or consoles you fingered.
Host your own game, problem solved. I almost never get kicked personally, hasn't been a problem in over 200hrs
Seems to obvious. A consensus to kick would be democratic
The Narcissists Prayer : It doesnt happen to me, so its not a problem.
@@trevoravery9270 Just saying, 200 hrs, and it hasn't been a problem. I got kicked once, because they were making room for a friend. What you want me to lie just to agree?
narcissists says what@@B-U-T-C-H-E-R
@@trevoravery9270 How many times have you been kicked?? I think if people are being kicked regularly, they must be doing stupid shit, even if they don't realize it. As I've said, over 200 hrs, only 1 kick. I don't see others being kicked regularly in the hundreds of matches I've played either. Maybe the people crying about it, just suck, perhaps like yourself
I'm getting kicked from SOS calls right after landing... I've noticed I can't equip some boosters on already ongoing missions despite no one having them equipped. Makes me wonder if they stay active even after getting kicked and hosts just collecting them this way? Cause why else would the asahole call for SOS just to kick anyone that joins? (He was solo, but some boosters were already locked so he had to go through some players already)
I had two people in a clan drop into my game yesterday and I definitely didn’t call an SOS. Maybe the first host did before they left, but i don’t think so.
@@mrg2155 I guess it's a possibility... But then I would expect people wanting solo to turn off public matchmaking :D But it's not first time the kick happened to me when responding to SOS either... Sometimes I get kicked out-right, sometimes I get kicked after calling in support weapon... It's happening more and more
Real quick. If you're disconnected that quick 2 possibilities. 1. They panicked and accidentally sent an SOS instead of reinforcement. 2. You got disconnected. I had to turn on a VPN to fix that issue for me.
The only thing I'll say about stats is it does matter when 1-2 people are dying 10+ times, and the others aren't. Not saying I'd necessarily kick them for it, but that can and will lead to failed missions if people don't know how to stay alive and not use up literally all the reinforcements.
Just a question cause I may have overlooked it. But is there if you join a random game any way to tell who the host of the game is? Same also for the "Recent players" tab because if someone kicks me for the stupidest reason I wanna block them but can't tell who the host is and I don't wanna just guess 🤔 Sure the player base is huuuge and I might never encounter x person again but I still wanna get rid of people like this as much as possible.
Whoever is designated as _1 is the host. Designation is first letter of username followed by player position.
I think the host is always orange colored.
To many missions have almost been lost cuz my squad is pushing too hard to save the precious samples. Let them go, divers.
They REALLY need to add stats like bug holes closed, bot factories destroyed, side objectives completed, etc. Also the only stats right now that do matter and that Id consider kicking for is deaths and friendly fire damage. If someone is taking up 75% of the teams reinforces or is killing the other people on the team too frequently, I don't want to play with that person and they likely shouldn't be playing on helldive difficulty. Also also, the stats are definitely bugged. If you just play an exterminate mission youll see that the total kills on the stat screen do not add up to the required kills to complete the mission.
2:11 I’ve had a guy who literally cleared all the small gold beacons and let us know if he found a bunker, while us 3 did the main obj😂 we all thanked him and he thanked us❤ you need some players like that guy tbh
The stats I value most are "samples extracted", "accidentals" and "friendly damage". But I also am one of those players who wants the objective done with as few casualties as possible and am constantly looking where my teammates are and look for flanks if they're engaged and having to withdraw so I can take some heat off of them. It's those gameplay moments that I love and that makes you feel like you're part of a squad of elite forces.
This guy that was in my squad shot me behind my back with his machine gun. I was confused until I saw him pick up all the samples I dropped. Realizing his intentions of betrayal I decided to be petty even though he probably didn’t know that samples and rewards are shared no matter what. When the other guy reinforced me we both shot him down and he left the mission. I got our samples back and we finished strong. 💪
The kick issue is complicated because you need to think about the alternative. If you switch to a vote based system that let's say requires 3/4, you might be at the whim of a troll who is killing players or destroying vehicles because the third vote is dumb, or in on it, or finds it hilarious. A 2/4 system just means any troll pair can join and just start kicking. Can the host be kicked? If not, they could just kick the other rando and you're now in a 3 player game with 2 trolls killing you until there's no more reinforcements and they leave. People may not like it, but a host rule is probably the best system. Personally I would like a "Do you want to block your kicker?" prompt. I think that would eventually sort things out.
Deep rock galactic has a system where a host can no longer kick players after main objectives are done.
That and most people ignore the vote system....
I think they need to add "reason for kick" to the prompts as well . A lot of times you get kicked since the person forgot to put the game on friends only . Blocking them for that would be a bit extreme.
@@shadowkhan422 No one should have to have their time wasted because the host is a dumbass and did not set a "friends only" config properly. Dumbasses get blocked. Next.
I've been hosting, always, so I can control my game and getting rid of any toxicity, I let my brothers do whatever they want and support them as much as I could, and I've got some great game and meeting more and more great brothers, together we fight for Democracy!
I have seen this in one of my game, it drives like a tank. You use forward shift or backward shifts to move the car,a and A,D to steer it. I had not figured out how to mount the side machine gun during the match session. 😢
Yea i have to agree with some of the other comments, i don't actually think that's really Joel since you can change your name on steam and there's probably cheaters who are pretending to be Joel. As funny as it would be to have that actually happen. I don't think Arrowhead would just go and do that in random games. Especially with something that's not universally available to the community.
But haven't they been dropping content early into random select games? Didn't they do that with the mechs and flying bugs?
Best thing is a vote kick system, only way for a person to be kicked is 100% of other players voting. In that case ppl will ask "why are we voting for x to be kicked" and if there is not a good reason there is no kick. simple as that. Not to mention is democratic on theme.
I have a few times me and my teamates were struggling and I was trying to sneak away from the group of automatons that were destroying us and while sneaking away and reinforcing since I keep getting asked to reinforce my teamates so I do and they die real quick and I suddenly get kicked
you record every match? I cant seem to get around the encoder getting overloaded every once and a while (its why most of my footage is from challenging or hard now) I lowered the fps but I dont really want to lower the resolution because I worry it will fragment the video on high movement scenes. Have you ran into any problems like this while recording Helldivers? Just curious
People who pack the guard dog rover and it kills 300 roaches for them: I got the most kills so I'm the best! 🤓 Guy who packed the EATs / Spear / Recoilless and made sure every Titan and Charger were dead before they ever became an issue: "Cool."
The mf with the Quasar Cannon and EAT shooting down every dropship:
You can change your steam name to be whatever you want. These cheats are widely available, from extremely well known and 'above board' sites. I am beyond certain this is not actually Joel.
All I'd like is history of drops. Host, success or failure, kicked or not. If kicked, then I can go ahead and block whoever was the host and not have to deal with them again. That should be fairly simple to implement.
the only stats people should be comparing are their own. everyone will slot into certain roles during a mission, so their stats will be skewed in certain directions, so you should focus on improving and outdoing your previous scores
No, we also need to look at friendly fire and respawns statistics... How you play is irrelevant as long as you're helping your team. A mission can get complicated in many ways, but make sure that YOU are not the reason for that difficulty.
With stats, I usually have the highest kills on my team. I just run around collecting samples and doing side objectives for the group, so I am tossing out turrets left and right for cover fire as I zip around the map.
Stats at mission end seem analogous to POTG in OW - Mercys (and support largely, except headache Moira) rarely are chosen whilst they are crucial for maintaining flow and help make big plays.
I think the only reason I ever got kicked was due to host waiting for premades and forgot to turn on "friends only", im sure many people mistake this for toxicity and assume it's for other reasons.
They should add a stat that shows the explosive tonnage of ordnance dropped that mission.
The kick button is like the report button. There is never a good reason for either to ever be pressed.
I remember some Gmod TTT servers having a "forgive" mechanic if you were RDM'd. If you get team killed, let the dead guy choose to forgive the kill or not. After a certain amount of unforgiven kills, call a vote to kick. Remove the option to manually kick. Make the player invulnerable in the Pelican and make samples near the Pelican get counted as extracted so you don't lose them if you're killed outside. Not a "catch-all" fix but it should remove a good chunk of frustration. This would call for a host migrate feature though, since the host would also be subject to this.
I have found very good use with the spear on bot missions. It's a good single fab destroyer and it's good for hulks if you have some distance
I've landed on the super sample rock on accident during initial drop in, was like is this the super sample rock, winning
I couldent even play last night because every time i tried to quick join hosts kept kicking me before i could do anything. Idk what they can do but SOMETHING has tk be done
I've been that guy in recon armor rushing around the map, getting the launch codes, sneaking between patrols and finishing the mission just because for whatever reason enemy spawns were thick as molasses. My team can have 3 digit kills and 4 digit shots fired, but they barely made it to evac through swarms of robots.
I would be curious if they added a "number of heavy units killed" line however..
2 things. 1. There is a Guardian angel in games where you are abandoned by your teammates. I keep forgetting to save footage, but there have been times when I get abandoned and objectives I am attempting get progression, especially when doing termanid missions. 2. When you kick people, you should lose the contributed progress to sub objectives and reprimanded by losing req slips.
I'm sure someone has already mentioned this, but I would be interested in seeing how a basic "clan" system might work to help some of these issues. A clan of, say 50 ppl, where players are coming and going, and hopefully finding a one or two clanmates roaming about, and join on the fly. Maybe making a part of the ship as a common room. I know it may come with it's own headaches, but The Division (for example) had one that I think worked well.
Something that irritates me about joining randoms is that sometimes they've forgotten to set the game to Private and so you get kicked as they want to play with their friends. Like I get that some people forget to switch it to Private or they have to set it to Public due to some issues their friends may have with joining a Private game, but it still is very irritating to try and help out some fellow Helldivers (and complete higher difficulty missions that I can't do alone) only to be kicked a couple of seconds after thawing. It's not great being the reminder. Gotta give them credit where it's due, some of them are REALLY quick on the draw, dunno if it's experience or just fast reactions but I gotta give em props for their efficiency.
The stats part reminds me of Sseth's review of War Thunder, where he said "I queue up, and then i ignore every objective and tunnel vision my way to geting as many sick frags as possible"
Can't get on the discord to suggest this as it's full, but a soft option would be to add players rank title to the map screen, then add a feature where excessive kickers get their name changed to 'mule', that way we know what they are and can avoid them. They can be 'leet and metaaa on their own.
With Automaton defeat, I switched to the bugs' front: I struggled a bit to learn the different patterns of Attack and swarming. In meantime I accustomed to the different enviroment, I fitted myself for Chargers and Titans killing. I do not have the big killing numbers, but surelly my kills are few but more welcomed (yup... I started to be able to one-shot ant bug heavies the more I play)...
I've had a level 19 join a Level 7 mission and only brought 2 strategem. 1 precision orbital and a stalwart. I thought it'll be fine but he literally shot at "every" patrol he sees and we're the ones who had to clear the patrol and drop ships that come over every single time. He'd die every 2-3 patrol pulls. I did not kick, the dmg was done.. Because of him, others left the game. My question is, should i have kicked him in the first place or not?
So. I have games where I move all the samples to extraction and head back. Some games I see a team mate run by it and pick it up. Then they fall off the extraction location and someone has to go get it 😅
Only stats i been caring about is my accuracy, samples collected, team kills if cause then we make fun of them
As a seasoned HellDiver, I proudly declare mastery over all stratagems and ship upgrades, embracing the joy of assisting fellow soldiers in ranking up and amassing XP while fervently spreading democracy through the eradication of bugs and automatons. The journey to attaining the revered title of Skull Admiral was arduous, marked by countless battles, strategic maneuvers, and unwavering dedication to the cause. Along this path, I am deeply grateful to the fallen HellDivers who courageously fought beside me, sacrificing their lives in the pursuit of liberty and justice. Their memory fuels my resolve to continue the fight, ensuring that their sacrifice was not in vain. Signed with honor and remembrance, Skull Admiral | KingLorezz SES Blade Of Wrath
I think a vote to kick system would work best, one where even the host is at peril of being voted out and a new host randomly selected from the group. It would probably help keep power hungry hosts in check.
I kicked someone right near the end of the mission for airstriking me with half of the samples after failing to wait ten seconds for me to get to extraction. Probably one of the more toxic kicks I have done, but they barely did anything all mission and actively ruined it at the end as we were unable to retrieve the samples due to enemy spawn ins and limited reinforcements.
Do people still think they need to be holding the samples to get them after the squad extracting with them