Can you solve the Trojan War riddle? - Dennis E. Shasha
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On Olympus, you’ve been waiting for an opportunity to bring the bloody Trojan War to its conclusion. The two sides have agreed to a brief truce, and when you consult the Fates, they advise: should the peace last for 10 days, all will end soon. But if the truce is broken, there will be 10 more devastating years of war. Can you help the Greeks and Trojans keep the peace? Dennis Shasha shows how.
Lesson by Dennis E. Shasha, directed by Igor Coric, Artrake Studio.
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First lol
yo second
wasup
Third
Dear Ted, Too many Riddles none worth solving 😢
Trade offer: You receive - A nice big wooden horse. We receive - Nothing, haha, don't worry about it.
SJSJFDJDISKSKD I LAUGHED SO HARD
💀😂 lol
Imagine getting a heart from Ted-Ed
😂😂💀💀
Saw this on r/196
That's the trick with the Fates: when they say "all will end SOON" rather than "all will end PEACEFULLY", it's almost guaranteed to be a massacre.
still better than 10 long years of despair
@@833Rowan Yes, instead of ten years of despair, it ends in a single moment as an asteroid destroys the planet. All has ended.
There is definatly someone hidden in the horse
@@tchaguym You sure? Idk man This is a joke, I know
@@kerbe3 more precisely a gift unboxing itself to slit your throat at your weakest
When Ares said "...Bla-bla, bla-bla-bla, forgotten prophecy, bla-bla-bla. Bla-bla-bla, SWAP, bla-bla-bla." I felt that.
When you're happy,you like the music,when you're sad,you understand the lyrics If we assume that a sequence of 2 blas equals to 0,and 3 blas equals to 1,in text,that is a,b,c so he is basically saying,a forgotten prophecy,b (be) swap c (see) In understandable language,he says "A forgotten prophecy be swapped and seen" and that's deep
@@AbhijayAgarwal how sad are you to reach that conclusion
@@AbhijayAgarwal OWO
@@lunadragonliz *grabs Thomas the Thermonuclear bomb*
@@Wudjja I'm hitting sadness levels that shouldn't even be possible
The one who solved the puzzle : We did it gentlemen, we have achieved peace. Ted-ed : But wait there's more.
lol true
Was expecting this comment.
Lol
That was athena lol
@@loulou492 wot is this
“All the gods want the war to end” Ares: hahah lol what if I made somebody move to disrupt peace hahha
Zeus: Say sike right now? Where am i gonna throw all these lighting bolts at if it ends? Aphrodite: But if it ends Helen won't marry Paris! Hades: Personally I'm okay with more souls coming to my domain
^^ lol
@Queen Helga One more soul for hades
@@akisa7865 something about "say sike right now" in question form is actually making me wheeze
Pretty sure that was Hermes
Ted-Ed: "Can you solve this riddle" Me: "No but i'll watch it anyway"
same
Repost
Dont care same
Its true after all
That’s what I do
Everybody talking about the Greeks and Trojans while I’m just out here jamming to the elevator music during the countdowns.
It's a bop
@@TEDEd its a what
@@clayel1 basically saying it's a good song
@@pdpika o ok
@@TEDEd *so it’s a bop then?* _dances_
Step one: Identify that you have green eyes. Step two: Ask the war to leave.
Yep! And If you don’t Congrats! You get to fight for another 10 years!
Seriously? You guys are waaay out of fresh material.
@@shreeyamittal1771 it did get kinda old for a bit but now im finding it funny again lol
...I feel this is some kind of cultural reference that I am not getting 🤨?
Oh, you're Genius
TED ED RIDDLES AND ANCIENT GREECE- SOME OF MY FAVORITE THINGS😭😭😭
I read it like the song from the sound of music.
5:04 This lines up nicely with the story, as the fates said that if the truce lasts for ten days, all will end soon. They never said there would be peace. They just said the war wouldnt go on for long, and that there is a possibility one side would have a possibility of a massive victory against the enemy. Thats exactly what happened after the truce. So in other words, you were the one who made the situation that gave the greeks the idea of the trojan horse!
1:45 I like how the riddle sounds intense right from the beggining then theyu start playing relaxing peacefull music
I want to know what the song is called lmao
True
It is called ‘Fun Fest’ by Klink but all yt versions, spotify versions, and amazon music versions are removed and can only be found on apple music (i think).
@@Mafew0690fr
The fates: If peace lasted for 10 days, no war! Greek General: Well yes but actually, no
Well, the fates said if the peace lasted ten days, it will be over soon. They however didnt said how it would end
@@nbyv There's a 65% chance that it will be either a genocide or a massacre
Based Odysseus
Well, a Greek God would just destroy the middle camp
Wouldn't work
@@superpeanutcrusade9208 because the Greeks would think the trogins were responsible.
@@elainegoates9792 exactly why ares would try that
@@elainegoates9792 not if we (as I assume we are Athena) trick Zeus into lightning bolting them
@@klem9758 or ask. Athena is daddy's girl, even if she's way smarter.
There is a way to solve the second riddle with only one move. By opening up the top arm of the Trojan camp (with a diagonal swap), you essentially create a ring of Greeks around the Trojans. Even if you break the ring on one side, it will still be connected on the other side. Engineers use this principle to create redundant networks. If you connect nodes (e.g. power stations, data centres) in a ring, any one node/edge failure will not disconnect the graph. Edit: (The no-surrounding rule was added after this comment was made.)
woah thats smart
Ohhhhhhhhhh i see
*EDIT: Okay, so apparently nobody is reading OP's edit, which CLEARLY states that the no-surrounding rule WAS NOT THERE when these comments were made. The video was EDITED. Capiche? I'm putting this edit at the beginning, just in case it's a matter of people not clicking "Read more". Now, on to my comment from 4 months ago. Which, let me reiterate, was a time when there was no rule against surrounding.* Yeah, that's how I did it. I was super confused, wondering what I needed my other swap for, and thought I misunderstood the rules. lol Now, if a rule was added that both sides' territory must contact the perimeter, so that neither side is totally surrounded by the other, we'd have a different story.
Outsmarting Ted Ed riddle
Oh yea, its big brain time
Fun fact: The Māori (New Zealand) tribe of Ngāti Kurī once tried a strategy very similar to the Trojan horse. They made a fake whale carcass using dog skins in order to assault an enemy pā (fortified village). The Māori did not hunt whales, however they fed on the carcasses or dying animals they found at the beach, so when the enemy came to check out the whale's carcass, the Ngāti Kurī warriors who were hiding inside came out and attacked them!
Curious how there are always similar myths or folktales across cultures and even continents!
@@sandradermark8463there always be as long as human lives and thinking process have simillar pattern. The most easiest way to describe this is “there is nothing new under the sun”
"You need to get your contact lenses, but your provider has a task for you to solve before you can get them." Fourteen employees are placed randomly on a 23x17 grid. You're at (10,15) and can only see one space in front of you. Employees with blue shirts move like knights in chess. Spaces that are touched a prime number of times are trapped. Employees can only say ozo or ulu...
ensure you have green eyes, the rest is trivial
Bustin The contact lenses are green. That's why you are trying to get them.
When the riddles are merging together to become a harder riddle
What's the question lol???
TedEd: Can you solve the riddle? Me: no, no I can't
#Relatable
A real 300 IQ+ only riddle
@@DontEatGaming I mean, the first part wasn’t very hard
This is a 1,000,000 iq riddle this is super hard #relatable
Same, lol
Trojans: we cannot trust anyone outside the walls, anything out there is suspicious Also Trojans: oooh, a hollow wooden horse capable of holding enough men for an invasion.
Not nearly enough men inside the horse for an invasion by itself, but enough men to quietly kill the Trojan guards and open the gates after dark. The Trojans aren't anticipating the Greeks to attack during the truce, so they have only a small unit of guards on duty, to keep watch for external threats, to wake up the Trojan army in case the Greek army shows up. Completely blindsided by the threat from within... and just like that, it's GG to the Greeks.
I love the swap at 1:43 from intense music to some bouncy elevator tunes.
We want the truth what is that song's name?
Okay, but the elevator music? WOW i don't know the editor of this video but they deserve a raise this is *chef's kiss* perfection
they make very good stuff
That intermission music tho......is perfect
And fate? No one alive has ever escaped it, neither brave man nor coward, I tell you.
It's born with us the day that we are born
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That is indeed the quote at the beginning of the video yes.
@@ghostderazgriz Appreciate it.
For the second one, you could also move the top trojan camp, so that even if the camps block one route, there will always be another for the Greeks to meet one another. Edit: This does not work as kindly shown to me by multiple people; as the Trojans would then be surrounding the Greeks, breaking one of the rules for the puzzle.
This seems like a simpler solution than the one in the video
@@alexm4808 but if they do that, Trojan lines would be broken. The point is to prevent any Trojan or Greek camps from being disconnected
@@saranshgupta3517 but they said that the opposing side would move a camp only if it blocked the greek camps
I was thinking the same. you only need to swap 1 camp and your good.. you can swap it diagonally so you are not breaking the trojan camps. and by doing that no matter which "wing" they try to close up you can always go the long way around. since every camp has at least 2 routes to any given camp
@@saranshgupta3517 there are no green camps; trojan camps are blue
With the solution as animated at 4:52 I can imagine the Greek general noticed what was happening. Because one of the Trojan camps which had three Trojan camps besides it could swap with the sole Greek camp at the fourth edge. That way the swapped Greek camp got isolated from the other Greek camps. If one instead had swapped the other dangerous camps, which were the camps that had to be swapped diagonally with a Greek camp, maybe nobody had ever heard of The Trojan Horse.
The stories for these problems are just hilarious. I can only imagine the writers: "What about the Trojan war? We can even use the fates and their loom. It'll be great!" Solid work, keep at it! 😁
Let’s just call Aphrodite and put an end to it
if i remember correctly from 7th grade , aphrodite partook the fighting and got wounded in the arm once
@@theali8oras274 also, she was the one pretty much directly responsible for the war do to her kidnapping Helen.
@@theali8oras274 she was more like a medic, picking up wounded dudes and saving them, one of them was aeneas from the aeneid also yes diomedes threw a spear and wounded her hand
she basically started it...
@@theali8oras274 her and ares. I think it was Diomedes who hurt them both. My favorite hero right after Odysseus
Once again you speak to the fates, and they prophesise the following: "The meddling trojan camp is somewhere within four grid spaces of the perimeter of the battlefield" *Damn*
"And left the Trojans a parting gift..." Little did the Trojans knew that the parting gift by that certain Greek general would be the reason they lost the war.
Solved the first riddle, second one sounded and looked confusing with the initial pattern.
Ikr me too. I was like yesss I solved it and then they pulled the second one 😆😆
Yeah they should have shown one of the solutions instead of the original one. I got really confused
Me too
I dunno, that ten days of peace seems like a Trojan Horse...
Dear Trojans, Bla-bla, bla-bla-bla, forgotten prophecy, bla-bla-bla. Bla-bla-bla, SWAP, bla-bla-bla. Eternally yours, ARES Hmm, interesting message alright.
Genes message.
I'm convinced.
You can't undestand the "bla"s, he is speaking the language of gods Sorry bad joke
Very Intresting.
One of the few riddles I could actually figure out on my own. The 2nd part you can solve with just one move by moving the top camp so there will always be a path no matter who blocks
Except one of the rules is that neither side can completely surround the other
That rule was added afterwards
All I can think about is how “I” look so beautiful in the animation. Great job Ted-Ed!
I love the narrator for Ted Ed riddles. His voice is very calming. I can get an hour long video of him reading riddles to fall asleep to, then later solve.
That trojan gift is something that exists to this day. What a legend !!! (literally)
The "Greek Gift" is also a move in chess where you sacrifice a piece (most cases a bishop) to bait/weaken the enemy's king safety and checkmate it
@@jeremythomas4744 it's called climbing silver in Naruto.
@@akshaychauhan4346 yes it is !
@@jeremythomas4744 yea, but it only counts as greek gift if it is on h7 or h2
I have read all of your riddles and was thankful that a new one came! Good Job Ted-ed!
Fates: "Oh, yeah, this war can stop if the truce can AT LEAST last the whole day" Also fates: "Should we tell them it's gonna last 10 more years, anyways?"
music during the rest of the video: ambient, mysterious, dramatic music during the pause: 💃👯🕺🎉🎶
I think the fact we're playing Athena is probably one of the harder to believe parts in regards to trying for peace
lol, I am so happy, I just solved my first TedEd riddle, this was an easy one, but it still feels magnificent
Interestingly, for the second step of the riddle, I took advantage of the fact that the moving camp would have to disrupt both trojans AND greeks. So if you move the two northern trojan camps diagonally southeastwards, they you create a connection between the greek camps that no singular move can undo. Therefore none of the 4 trojan camps that had an option to move before, now can; and elegantly I feel, you don't touch those camps themselves.
i love the dramatic story, plus the game show waiting music during the rules
Ares sure has some amazing writing skills
3:13 people writing an important email be like
Very important i must agree
Everytime when teded uploads a riddle, Me: I cant, but still lets go and watch it!
Whoever makes this riddles has a incredible talent to create elaborate contexts for what is basically just math problems
Damn... I solved these ted-ed riddles back when I was 11-15 (nostalgia noon) Thanks for bringing this back after a long time.
They never stopped posting them.
@@yomer355 I am sorry, I meant like.. it's been recommended to me now I didn't even really remember them until this came up in my rec
This riddles go to a whole new level
who only likes this video because its hard and you never solve it?
Respect and credit for any person who really tried to solve the riddle for at least one second
Please do more videos about Greek Mythology! We really enjoy watching them :)
The second question is so confusing. Are the camps in their initial position again? If so, how do I keep them "arranged so that any soldier can move to any ally", if they're not arranged like that yet?
yeah actually the image on 3:55 is what made it confusing.. because if you only hear the narrations/story, it's pretty clear that you continued on the swapped position
The reason they are not showing the swapped position is because there are multiple solutions to the first half of the riddle, & therefore you have to solve the riddle from your place. Since the video does not know what that is they have to resort to an image that can give a general idea of how to solve.
@@jozenne0018 That's still confusing. TED should have used the solution they originally showed as the example......And the expression "within 4 spaces of the perimeter" was confusing too with the pic. Is it outside the shaded x-ed off area or inside of it? took me a while to figure out the correction interpretation.
@@jozenne0018 They still use only their solution to explain the answer. So it does not yield any benefit that they don’t use that one in the “solve it yourself” part.
@@geertien You could just look at the Status Quo you got or go back to an earlier section of the video to see what camps are where. It probably does not matter much anyway that they are only using their answer since the other once are likely similiar
I love how on every video, there’s at least one joke about the Green-eye riddle and one more miscellaneous.
That was a great riddle!you guys always make the most awesome videos!
greek mythology n ted ed riddles are the highlight of my life
I got the first one, but on 3:54, there's a new layout (I assumed that the swapping was not done before the thought of defection arose) but on 4:03, apparently, we still have to use the earlier set-up. That was my initial thought to, I was confused for the new layout for the second part.
Well a riddle after a long time! Thanks Ted-ed!!! Edit: Noice. Edit 2: nvm someone ruined it
Took me a bit to wrap my head around the rules, especially the second puzzle. But I'm proud I was able to solve them both.
Okay but....This waiting music is bussin- Release a whole track please *heart eyes*
Nice! I finally solved a TED-Ed puzzle, granted it was only the second one, the arguably easier one, but still!
I'm gonna need a whole album of that waiting music please 💳
Agree
These riddles are why I subscribed to this channel!
Proud of myself for solving both of these!
The second riddle was somewhat frustrating for me. I had to rewind to work out which side was blue and which was yellow since it wasn't explained in the written rules, then the way the center was shaded made it hard to tell how the campus were arranged there (rules did not allow the defecting camp to be in the center initially, but did allow it to move there), and finally, when paused, the bottom of the list of rules is blocked by the title of the video that KZhead decides to put up when the video is paused. I liked the riddle, but more effort could be put into its presentation.
For the second riddle, you only to move one camp. If you move the camp at the end of whichever Trojan line is fully intact, the Greeks will have passage through all 4 sides. Now, even if one camp were to shift, there would still be 3 paths open.
This would break the 6th rule
Neither side can completely surround the other
I think the rule applies after THE CAMP swaps, not after YOU swap.
The attention to detail on the 3 fates is impressive
This channel is one of my favourite...
The Fates: Hold a knife instead of a scissors.
they left their scissors at home
Ah yes, riddles no one actually answered (mostly😁), yet we watch it because we wonder what is the solution🤦♀
the music in this one is absolutely fantastic
Love the music while we’re on countdown!
2nd puzzle: you only need to move the top blue camp. Maybe there's an extra rule that the trojans can't become surrounded?
The answer is simple, ask Athena the goddess of wisdom, like she should be on Mount Olympus.
I think we are her.
The helmet, opposition to Ares, and implication that we are smart enough to solve the riddles of the Fates imply that we are Athena.
Everytime a TedEd riddle is uploaded, an angel grows it's wings
I love how the music is intense for during the plot part of the riddle then when it asks us to solve✨✨ soft jazz elevator music✨✨
Haven't watched the video, but here's the answer: Arson. Set that horse on fire
Ok so there's no Horse but Arson is still a valid solution anyways.
yo that 3 second song on that pause screen is so fire
I was going to give up after solving the first riddle but couldn't solve the second because I didn't understand the #3 rule. But still managed to successfully solve it by going at it the way I interpreted what was said.
Why do I feel like this puzzle is themed around the Palestine and israel truce ? I remember it got broken because of the positions they held as well, what a coincidence.
2:31 solution: swastika
This is the first Ted ED riddle I have ever been able to solve.
I love the random music that plays during the screen showing the rules
3:58 should have used the solved board for clarity, it seems to imply that you have to solve it from the beginning with only two moves, which would be impossible, you even use the solved board in 4:21 on the explanation. Still another great puzzle!
This. Seriously wasted my time confused
YES I FINALLY SOLVED… half of the riddle!
Haha, I loved the hand with 6 fingers! Genius.
I didn’t recognise that the greeks were in yellow might have needed to be written in the rules since i automatically assumed they were blue and spent ages thinking it was impossible
2:55 those are not all the possibilities. For some reason you neglected all the ones where the topmost and bottommost camps are moved simultaneously (another 8 ways) 3:55 on this summary page you should really be displaying one of the modified camp arrangements from before.
"all will end soon" Gotta love those ambiguous phrasings
Name more iconic duo than Ted Ed and Greek riddles.
I actually took the time to solve them and I got both right!!! So proud of myself lmao
3:01 wait why dos she have six fingers
Seven
@@BL0XYST1NG3R6 fingers and 1 thumb
@@TheWorldsLargestOven that was me when I still believed that the thumb counts.
It took me so long to realise one of the arms was only 4 camps long, that was so frustrating
0:22 That's exactly why COVID 19 started Y'all
Here's the actual solution: Tell the Greeks that they have green eyes Tell the Trojans they have green eyes Everybody leaves the war Voila!
i like how they added cheerful music at 1:43
This is the only one where the cryptic clues and the perfect logic make sense
However this is the best riddle channel for me in the whole wide world I will forever support this channel ✌
The solution was simple yet fascinating
Well... it's nice to have a fun song when i am falling to know how to solve this riddle