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For 44 years I’ve had the good fortune to photograph and write about my passion - the outdoor life. Wild creatures and wild places have always stirred me - from the first flushing pheasant that frightened me out of my socks in grandpa’s cornfield to the last whitetail that dismissed me with a wag of its tail. In my attempts to connect with this natural wonder, to become an integral part of our ecosystem and capture a bit of its mystery, I’ve photographed, hiked, hunted, birded, and fished across much of this planet. I've seen the beauty that everyone should see, survived adventures that everyone should experience. I may not have climbed the highest mountains, canoed the wildest rivers, caught the largest fish or shot the biggest bucks, but I’ve tried. Perhaps you have, too. And that’s the essential thing. Being out there, an active participant in our outdoor world.
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All loading, handloading, gunsmithing, shooting and associated activities and demonstrations depicted in our videos are conducted by trained, certified, professional gun handlers, instructors, and shooters for instructional and entertainment purposes only with emphasis on safety and responsible gun handling. Always check at least 3 industry handloading manuals for handloading data, 2 or 3 online ballistic calculators for ballistic data. Do not modify any cartridge or firearm beyond what the manufacturer recommends. Do not attempt to duplicate, mimic, or replicate anything you see in our videos. Firearms, ammunition, and constituent parts can be extremely dangerous if not used safely.
So in so many words, I'm still good with my old .270 Win.
She's been doing her job and doing it well since my grandparents were children. Don't know why old 270 would stop now. 😁
Why do we buy a new car or truck when the old one runs just fine? Sometimes we just want a new one. That's why some of us have so many guns. lol
Just because something new and shiney comes along it doesn't automatically make something that's worked well, forever, irrelevant.. if you're getting consistent rounds on target and dumping enough energy to ethically harvest game... Well, you can't really make it deader 🤷
I did give the 270 WSM when it came out. Not being a natural lefty, but having to shoot long arms southpaw. I found a short action suited my situation better. For long action calibers, Levers, Semis or pump actions work better. It just hard to out shine the time tested 😉. Sure won't stop me from picking up new toys though lol.
@@FAtE_454 A couple of years ago I went caribou hunting in Newfoundland. Took my .270 to the range, made sure it was sighted in. 2" groups at 200 yards. Not messing with THAT kind of accuracy. Took a medium sized bull which is still a 450 pound beast. One hunter in camp thought he would buy his ammo in Canada, he had a custom 6.5 Creedmore. He was able to find it, eventually. No problem finding .270 Win anywhere I've looked.
I’ve used a 270 win for most of my adult life on deer and elk. It has always performed perfectly .
Oddly enough, there was a frequent customer back in the mid 1970's who came to our shop with parts in hand for silver soldering .270 Winchester brass cases onto stainless steel case heads. The final cartridge was a wildcat, the 6.5/270. He claimed good accuracy and flat shooting for doing wolf control in Alaska from a Cessna. Don't know what became of him, but what a character. Where ever you are Ron Marquart, it was a blast to be part of that!
Been hunting (and culling) and guiding with the .270Win since the mid-90’s on everything from duiker to large eland bulls. It is my first choice with a premium quality 150gr bullet. As long as I can hunt, I’ll own a .270Win.
Pleasantly surprised to hear you've taken eland with the .270. Do any of your colleagues or friends give you a hard time for not using larger calibers for African game?
Thank you Ron. I've lived in Texas for most of my life and have always looked up to the 270 Winchester with admiration. It still gets the job done for me.
Do you have a preference on a scope. Mines a bolt action.
I bought a .270 win when I was 18. Then after many years doing a different kind of shooting when I was in the military, and afterwards in my professional life as a civilian, I started hunting again. I make a lot more money now and have looked at a lot of the cool new rounds, but it nothing I have seen is enticing enough to make me buy a new rifle chambered in something else. Nothing really makes a big enough difference for me to feel like I need anything else for the North American big game and varmints I hunt.
I love 270 fantastic all around cartridge, even up here in canada.
I've got a plain old .270 myself I love. It's not got what my 7mm STW has but it's got enough, plenty for whitetails and I've taken my biggest yet with it. I could see me getting a .300 RUM though or something at the low end like the .223 shortmag, or another one of those .22 cals that allow you to shoot a 75gr+ bullet effectively.
270 Winchester is one of the greatest western game cartridges ever made. Been taking game since 1925. Great video again Ron! Really enjoy your channel.
More like you practice your shots.
270 & 30-06 just can't go wrong
ron sitting with his grandkids "poppa can we have our allowance?'' "alright we're gonna pull up some charts here''
How'd you know, Richard?
In my mind I can see that plain as day. We need a lot more Ron Spomers in this old world now days.
@@RonSpomerOutdoorsallowance? Let's go to the range and Easter egg hunt some BRASS! (Then, we will go find some SHED antlers). There is your allowance.
Kinda a good story ……35 years ago my grandfather only used a 30-30….then he bought a 270 win……he was no expert on calibers or ballistics he just liked to hunt, but WV has some long shots. We are out hunting one day and he shows me where my dad shot a doe from….I said wow that is a long ways….probably 450 yards. He said yeah that is why I have a 270 now. I have always been a 270 win fan period. First high powered rifle I ever shot too….great rifle and cartridge! Limited recoil and 130 or 140 grain are a recipe for disaster on game! Love mine!
There’s almost never a good reason to shoot a deer at 450yds east of the Mississippi
@@ViktoriousDead I guess it depends on how good a shooter you are. There are guys out there who can shoot a playing at 500 yards all day everyday. I’ll submit to the better judgement of a master and realize my own limitations. Happy hunting.
@@ViktoriousDead you don't hunt where we do
Hey that's one heck of a rooster spur, old wiseguy! I love my plain old 270, it is plenty of medicine wherever I go or hunt with it. My elk never got 20 yards away from ground zero at a range of 225yards and I honestly don't usually take a shot on big game after 300 yards. Just too many factors can vary bullet placement and I like seeing my animal fall quickly and humanely. Seems to me that many of these cartridges have something going for them, I'm just not too interested in buying another 270 bore when my 270 still does exactly what I want. The video is interesting and I enjoyed seeing the comparisons.
Hey Ron love your videos my wife surprised me one day , (she worked at Knob Creek gun range), when she got home she handed me a brand new Remington Sendero in .270 Winchester! I fell in love, sweetest trigger I ever pulled on a factory rifle. After I outfitted it with a scope and bipod and a few sessions at the range finding the right ammo at that time, I sighted her in at 300 yards. When i'm on my game i've shot 4 round groups that you can cover with a quarter. I've only used her as a hole puncher but when we go to the range and shoot my baby I give my honey a big hug and a kiss for the wonderful rifle she gave me 24 years ago.
My first rifle purchase was a 270 WSM. I absolutely love it for white tail hunting
I love these caliber comparisons, Ron! Also great work on putting together the charts for us!
Glad you like them! Thanks.
Agree with everything you said Drew. Gosh, I've only been getting into firearms for the last 5 years or so, but I've come to appreciate the European, or global, measuring system. For instance, If I see 6.2x52mm on a box, chart or ammo box, I can immediately have a decent estimate of velocity, weight and bullet trajectory. However, if someone mentions a '243' round, without have prior knowledge of the cartridge, it's hard for me to picture the length of the cartridge or its ballistic performance. I guess one can always hope the community adopts a bit more of the metric :)
@@RonSpomerOutdoors Yes sir. A very enjoyable video indeed.
@@jayklink851 imperial and metric are both used in the U.S. for many things. If you haven't mastered both systems yet that's your fault.
@@EVLfreak666 No, I get that we inherited the imperial system, I'm just saying metric is straight forward, even superior, compared to imperial. For instance, .416 vs 10.6 x 83 mm. For someone unfamiliar with the cartridge, the latter immediately gives you some idea of the case capacity and potential velocity, that's all I'm saying.
270 win is classic and deadly. I opted for a 270 wsm because I like a short action and the little extra oomph is always welcome. Nothing you can't kill in North America with these 270s. Great video as always, thanx for all the work you do Ron!
Ron, thanks! I have a big soft spot in my heart for the 270 win. My Dad’s favorite cartridge became mine; my first bolt action, my first deer, and soon to be my next with either the 6.8 Western or 27 Nosler. I love your videos. Kind regards. Joe
Right on. Thanks Joe, and enjoy your 270s.
That’s where a lot of cartridges get the warmest reception. For me 30-30 Winchester was passed down by my Stepdad and we both hunt with 30-30’s. I really like 25-06 though and put a lot of meat on the table with one and I got exposed to that through a good friend who helped me understand and begin reloading. So many great cartridges out there it’s hard to choose sometimes
6.5x55 Swede has been using heavy bullets for years on Moose in Nordic countries and it worked pretty well. That 160 grain bullet goes pretty deep.
True, but not very far. In Sweden it's all forest, so they don't take long shots at all there and thus can use heavier bullets in small calibers for large animals.
only up to 160gr and even then they are going 2550fps, the 27 nosler is doing 3160fps with a 165gr and even the 6.8 is doing 2970 with a 165gr according to their box and people have tested it at just under that.
Okay?….
@@SkellyWaggs It just works like the 7mms
Ron first high powered rifle I ever owned was a 270.... An I'm just glad to hear you call it a war horse..
As always. Great video Ron. I’ve worked as a mechanic for Caterpillar for over 20 years and as technology has changed rapidly we have to stay current to diagnosis issues thus we have to go to classes. I asked a young engineer that was explaining a new Hydraulic control valve functions WHY. Just WHY did y’all replace a tried and proven functional control valve with one that’s new, more complex, and not proven, that does exactly the same thing. He said. “I’m an Engineer and I get paid to Innovate, not duplicate”. That answer speaks Volumes.
Excellent point, Carlos. It explains the never ending "upgrades" to computer software. How can anyone get efficient with any tool when they keep changing how it works?!
That engineer's response doesn't surprise me at all. I often wonder why things keep getting changed, vehicle options in particular, when there was nothing in wrong with the old style. I find myself continually frustrated with these new high dollar vehicles where the very source of my frustration had a better design on past models years ago that did not frustrate me. Engineers just keep screwing up what wasn't broke! And this frustration extends to many other items in today's society other than just cars and trucks. And don't even get me started on ease of maintenance.
As the saying goes "follow the money". Always reveals the truth.
Great presentation Ron. As you indicated, there were only two cartridges for the .277 diameter bullets for many years. My Dakota 76 is chambered in 270 Winchester and has served me well. It is not only a superb shooter but features a highly figured piece of English walnut that still appeals to us FUDDS.
Fudds forever! Walnut rules.
Love my 270's and 270wsm. Works for everything
As always Ron I enjoy watching your videos on cartridge comparisons, you always have a great way of explaining in great detail, the differences and ballistics with your paper charting. Good job 👍 Keep shooting my friend!
Another great video! I love all of the supplemental information you provide. It’s a great history lesson almost every episode!
Thanks Andrew.
Thanks for your fair critique when comparing calibres Ron: straight talking without knocking anyone's "pet" calibre. I've just subscribed. 👍
He lines them up, talks about what each does, and compares them as he goes. A beautiful presentation.
I really enjoy these cartridge comparison videos! I'm really getting excited to hunt with my new 6.8 western. I bought my first browning xbolt and it's a dream to shoot! kinda has recoil close to a 223 with the muzzle break and recoil pad.
Thanks for the knowledge about 270 ammo and their different versions, Ron Spomer !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I love and appreciate the efforts you put into The technical differences of centerfire cartridges. Lucky for everyone there's alot of overlap in actual usefulness. But it's comparing them with one another that is so much fun, I do think you are the primary source of expertise on these matters. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience
Great video as always, thank you. I still love my old 270, I have a Sako 85 hunter in that caliber and apart from the poor ejection issue, I love the combination
Great episode Ron. Fun to watch and very informative.
Ron, I'll stick with the 270 Win. Good enough for me.
JC: Same here, been shooting deer and bear with one for over 30 years, no need to change now.
But if you were to start today ?
Me too, 270Win is much more common and easier to find and the price isn't too bad.
@@DJohns-nz4ul If I were starting today, I'd probably stick with the ones that are still more popular/numerous, and show promise for sticking around better
Yeah, I shoot in between the 130/150gr with those 139 SST (faster) Hornady bullets and they perform quite well out of my .270 Win.
Thanks for doing a side by side run down of the caliber family of the .277s. I have had a 270 Win and so has my youngest brother for 15-20 years and love it. Our cousin loves his 270 WSM and recently got a Tikka T3x Superlite in .270 Win. I have thought about trying the 6.8 Western in a lightweight mountain rifle, but those are still hard to find
As a southern boy that hunts creek bottoms, a good ole .270 Winchester with a 150 grain round nose is a real killer. Thanks for another good video!!!
Well done video. Informative and balanced. The 6.8 would still be my choice for here in western Canada simply due to the bullet weight, higher BC, higher sectional density for our larger game and just because it’s new. However, the old 270 was never a failure for any of these animals and will never be.
I use a .270 Winchester. 50 yards extra for nearly double the recoil with the modern stuff, still see no reason to change, lovely vid.
Yep. .270 in a light rifle has stout recoil. People want more?? I bet they don't shoot those magnums much..
Thanks Ron for another great comparison video. You keep coming up with new and quality content that is not boring and a rehash of a rehash.
Many thanks, Darren.
Love the old .270 win. I personally always preferred the heavy for caliber 150 gr bullet. Thanks for showing the comparisons. Great information spelled out plainly.
Ron you are a class act. I enjoyed you .270 research. I own 2 270's and I load for them so any and all info is helpful.
The old 270 Winchester was and is enough gun for 99.5% of anything you'll ever hunt from Moose to coyotes without it being a stunt like lesser powered rounds. Old but Excellent in the field!
Now take Sig's idea of a steel based case and do the same thing to the 6.8SPC, to give our Soldiers a hell of a thumper and flatter shooting cartridge.
Check out the video of the proposed new rifle and squad gun that Sig has for the DOD to test. It’s using this new casing/caliber for it That are a piece of work for certain. Idk if Uncle is quite ready to go away from 5.56 completely yet or not. Having a whole new caliber might be much for them to swallow all at once. I guess we will see at some point.
I love watching your channel I learned so much about powders casing Lanes light and heavy bullets coefficiently I was aware of all these but getting the right balance and the best for different scenarios! Back in the '70s I shot a 6.5 Swede and then when Remington came out with a 6.5 Swede I bought a new one! Love that cartridge! And when the 6.5 Creedmoor come out I said well it doesn't have as much case room as my 6.5 Swede what I didn't know is the 6.5 Creedmoor is running more PSI! The different variables are fun for me to learn all about I'm an old man now but I still enjoy an education! Thank you very much!
Man, really well made video. I like your production. Very informative. I get like my pops was teaching me all over again.
I absolutely love this guy
With the availability of barrels with a faster twist, and longer bullets to run in them, it makes me want build a 270 Ackley or Gibbs, getting the most out of the full length case.
If you're getting a fast-twist 277 barrel, might as well go with a Gibbs or Sherman as I'm sure you'll be reloading. It'll be a project, but if it were me, I'd look at the 27 nosler for hunting. You can play with the 270 bullets all you want, and you'll have some support. Plus, you'll actually be able to get those 165+ grain bullets to really boogie.
I owne a 270ai and I'm pushing a 130gr at 3315fps and it hits hard. I built mine with a 1/10 twist because heavier bullets aren't available here in Australia yet. In my opinion you should build one you won't regret it mate
Just avoid belted calibers of 270. That way rebarreeling to the same casehead cartridges is easy.
There’s still a huge lack of high bc bullets in .277 vs 284. Step up another 0.007” and gain a lot of versatility and superior projectile selection.
@@G5Hohn you're not wrong. It's a travesty that the 280 never because the more popular cartridge over the 270. Even old-ish rifles are twisted faster than 1/10
bought an X-bolt in 270 WSM years ago for a caribou hunt and love it. That rifle is still my pride and joy.
6.8 spc is so underrated and handicapped by sammi not recognizing the spc2 chamber. I shoot 90 grain bullets at 2850 fps and 130 grain bullets at 2350 from a 12.5 inch barrel. Jump up to a 20 inch barrel and im getting 130's at 2575 fps. I've killed deer out to 275 yards with no problem. You don't need a cannon to killed animals, just looked at what broad heads can do
Thanks for the great videos Ron. I would like to see your library and mention some of your favorite books you have in your collection.
Noted! Thanks.
Absolute beast This is what we want to see EVERY time out in the field Solid work officer
This is a good presentation. I'm impressed by his knowledge.
I love my 270 but I love my new 6.8 Western too. Alot of people watching our 6.8 vids can't wait to get their own. Nice vid
Thanks CR42. The 6.8 Western is a fun one.
Great video as usual Ron Thank you , Steve from Australia .
Thanks again Steve!
I’ve used 270 from Louisiana to Alberta and all that was needed was a Bullet change from SGK and Ballistic Tips for the southern deer 130 grain to 130 partitions for northern deer and elk. Zero complaints from me or the deer
Another great episode Ron! Of course I'm partial to the .270WSM that I own!
Thanks for a good video, I enjoyed it. Still dont know why more rifle manufacturers didn't just put a faster twist barrel on the 270 win.
I'm getting 2975 with imr-7977 and federal 215 mag match primers out of 22 inch barrel. 150 gr. Nosler BT. Rem. 700 270. Win. .5 moa at 100 yds. Bullet seating depth is the key.
Now this guy is a handloader. Find that sweet spot through experimentation and you can always find something spicy that’s safe IN YOUR RIFLE. Congrats, Jeff, on a nice find
@@robertfree1908 Thanks brother. Took me 20 years to figure it out but once I did all my rifles no shoot .5 moa. Very satisfying indeed.
Sounds like a great load man! I’ve heard people getting great speeds and accuracy with RL26 and 150 grain bullets also.
@@andrewcleveland Haent tried and of the Alliant powders for a while. I love the new IMR powders for the temp stability and I get no fouling whatsoever.
@@jeffkocsis6405 I’ve been using IMR4166 a lot lately in my 416 Taylor and 416 Remington Magnum. So far it has been a great powder for me. Use IMR 4451 some in my 6.5 creedmoor, but RL16 usually gets the nod over it in that cartridge. All of the IMR newer enduron powders were a great addition to the hand loader for sure.
By the way Ron I just want to tell you thank you so much for what you share I love your channel I've learned so much
My granddad had a South Gate Weatherby built for him in 270 Winchester. When asked why he didn’t get 270 Weatherby Mag he explained that he wanted to be able to find ammo at any hardware store when traveling (this was back when hardware stores often sold ammo).
And in another decade, how many of the new ones are going to just be flash in the pan? I remember the hype on the WSM. And I was stupid and bought one, it had a crooked chamber, and will the US Repeating Arms would not fix it, said it was good. I had it rebbarreled sighted it in, shot way better and it's been a safe queen ever since. It's a 300 WSM, I may do a re barrel again to 270 as I should have in the first place. The 270 Winchester is coming up on 100 years of use, my guess it's still going to rule the roost in another 100 years still.
That's why I've ALWAYS stayed with the tried and true "standard" calibres: 223 Rem, 30/06, 9.3x62 and 458 Win Mag - as the game haven't changed, these calibres will keep on doing their job - so I can't go far wrong using any of them. 👍
@@idleonlooker1078 I hear ya. There are so many calibers with overlapping performance it ain't even funny. Maybe because the magazine writers need something new to promote and market. Like the 6.5 Creedmore which is a good performing caliber, but the Swedes covered that in the 1890s in the 6.5x55. Some people feel like they must have the latest and greatest when the performance isn't much different than something that already exists. Marketing hype.
Awesome video, it's very hard to beat a .270 in 140 or 150.grain, at least for pretty much everything from plinking to elk
Thank you Ron..another very informative video
Thank you for the detailed information
Thank you Ron! You have the most enjoyable thunder stick channel on Censor Tube! I grew up going to our local Gsmith shop and if our work was done for the day we would grab lunch and head for Larry’s shop. Everyday a new group of visitors along with the regulars would discuss cartridges and history of manufactures along with a fair amount if prevarication to keep the listeners scratching their heads. With the exception of prevarication you and your delivery would fit right in at Larry’s. That is the best compliment I can give. Dry best regards, David
The non-prevaricator compliment works for me, David. Thanks!
Great video! Very informative, I think I will stick with my grandpa's old .270 even though I really like the. 270 weatherby mag. And the 27 Nosler.
I absolutely LOVE my .270 Wthby Mag. All I've used for everything big game since 1990. It's my elk killer!
@@richardbartlett6701 Heck yeah bro. That rocks! If I had one that is all I would ever use! Thanks!
Have shot a 270win with 140gr accubond handloads for many years. Will always be my go to for deer, elk and moose.
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Great video.. absolutely love my 270wsm it's my go to for deer
Hello Ron, I would love to see the same kind of video, done on all the 6.5’s that are around. They seem to add more of em every year and it would be cool to see the difference between them!
Just like here though the standard 6mm and the plain .243 aren't bad ones. I think I could go with some of the newer 6.5 offerings because they've improved on them along the way.
As a meat hunter I find that the 270 win is a meat bruiser, even with the monos and bonded bullets. Adding more velocity will just increase the bruising. My 270 win was my first rifle and was bought on the advice from the salesman. Although not perfect I have used it on game from blue wildebeest and kudu down to duiker and anything in between. I have downloaded the 150's to 2650 fps and it is deadly with little meat damage, and it is easy on the shoulder. As a target round, I think there are better options.
not if shot behind shoulder thru ribs and out the ribs but still exploding the heart and lungs, perfect broadside shot
@@jjgriffin3275 yes, but I have had very few opportunities of the perfect broadside shot. Our African antelope anatomy also differs a little bit from the American/European deer.
@@bootsandall3612 Vitals are more forward correct? I’ve always found that fascinating about African game. It’s actually a much more protected area and makes more sense. Evolution at its finest. Way more predators in Africa. Amazing. I always wanted to hunt there! I’ve read so much about it. It truly is the proving grounds for cartridge, caliber, and bullet configuration. Your very blessed to have such diverse game.
@@carloshathcock5518 drive it to the heart. Don't bother with trifle details. Or shoulders
@@carloshathcock5518 yes and lower down in the chest cavity. Protected by the shoulder joints.
Jack O and Jim C would approve of your content. You are THE current “go too” on hunting cartridges. Thank you for keeping these old standards alive.
Thank you Sidney. I hope I can live up to those comparison, but doubt it.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors I have to agree with him Ron. I really appreciate your videos.
Hey Ron I love your videos and really learn alot from them. I'd really live to see a video all about the 270 wsm. I'm looking into purchasing a 270 wsm rifle and would love to learn more about it. Thanks.
I have been hunting with the WSM for almost 18 years, love it. Have never missed a Deer yet, longest shot has been 240 yards. I don’t like to take long shots at Deer, I don’t think it’s ethical. That just my opinion. I do want to get a 280 ai
A 280 AI has been a go-to cartridge for me since the late 80's. It is a great deal more popular today and can more than hold its own when running with the big dogs.
I picked up my 270 wsm in a browning A-bolt on a pure happenstance sweetheart deal. Been loving it ever since... except maybe at the range. 3-4 and I'm over it hahahaha
My self imposed limit's 250yds, as my rifle & load hold MPBR on a 4" target to that distance. I'd far rather stalk the animal (which is all part of the hunt) than push the distance past what I consider reasonable for a guaranteed one shot kill. I prefer to stalk all the way in to less than 100yds just to keep my hand in at doing so & have sneaked up as close as 20yds on non hunting days for the heck of it.
Ron, great video! I have done a LOT of handloading for the 6.8 SPC going back about 12 years. At that time, load data pretty much stopped at 120 grain with 110 and 115 being the most common. I experimented extensively with the 130 and 140 Nosler Ballistic Tip. Using AA2230 I was able to get that 140 up to 2400 fps in an 18 inch AR15 with 1:11 twist rate. The same load ran about 2380 fps in a 16 inch. Off the top of my head, I think it was 29 grains of AA2230 (compressed), seated to 2.26. Looking back now, my "experimental" data was actually pretty good, because Accurate Arms now has 6.8 SPC data listed for AA2230 up to 140 grain. Admittedly, I was a tad hot. But after many hundreds of rounds, there have been no pressure issues or bolt failures. Let me tell you, that 140 NBT at 2400 fps is an absolutely FANTASTIC deer round out to 200 yards. Run the numbers. I found that the 130 had very little gain in velocity at the cost of a lower BC. That 140 NBT was the sweet spot. At the lower velocity, the NBT upsets well, but does not fragment. Penetration and terminal effects are great. My Brother In Law used it the most and has one shot deer kills out to 400 yards. Every kill was a pass through, no bullets recovered. Now, 400 was really streaching it, but he did it. However, the numerous one shot 200 and 300 yard kills he has piled up are a testament to the rounds effectiveness. Particularly at typical shots at 100 yards and closer. That 140 NBT really changed the dynamics of the 6.8 SPC. It made it a legit Deer round. Its more effetive than the ol' 30-30. Better energy and ballistics (BC, SD and velocity). At one point, I was loading it for about ten (10) AR15's and they all shot that round sub MOA. Check it out! It's an awesome little carbine, not to be overlooked.
You are not alone in this assessment and advice, Gould. Sounds as if the SPC has legs. Of course I'm going to stick with the original. If I desire 2,400 fps, I'll load light! But doubt I ever will. It's always mystified me as to why some hunters work to build loads with ballistic performance way below existing rounds, but so long as they enjoy it and it works for them, why not? I love this about our country and culture. Freedom for the individual to march to the cadence of his own drum. March on, my friend.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors About 5 years ago, the 6.8 SPC took a back seat to another project. We patented 4 wildcats for the AR15. All are better than the 6.8 SPC. We did a 270, 280, 300 and 400. All our time went into that. They really put the AR15 on a different level as a deer hunting platform. Love to share what we came have with you sometime!
@@RonSpomerOutdoors I don’t think that they are looking to build below the existing capabilities. It was designed for the military’s M-4 carbines. The casing had to be short, hence the lower capabilities. Still, the AR platform is a excellent choice for those recoil sensitive hunters. My wife is a perfect example of this. She doesn’t like shooting the .243, it scares her, and believe it or not, she’s not fond of the recoil, so her accuracy suffers from it. I put the 6.8 SPC in her hands, and we are talking a completely different scenario and results. She’s dead accurate with that round. Plus, that 120 gr from Hornady is an excellent deer cartridge . She knows her limits and she doesn’t try to stretch the capabilities of the round. It’s truly been a game changer for my wife’s hunting and shooting experience. It’s a win-win for me. Plus, it’s a great back up rifle if I ever need one. Personally, I love the 6.8 spc. It really is the jacks of all trades in the AR arena. Great self defense and hunting cartridge. It doesn’t lose much velocity in short barrels unlike the 6.5 Grendel. The 6.5 is a fantastic round in its own right, but requires at least a 22” or longer barrel to really shine. Whereas the 6.8 spc in short barrels is an excellent option for the hog hunters and self defense in SBR applications. Great video though. I’m starting to look into the 6.8 Western as my next hunting rifle.
Kinda funny to think of how many .270 cal cartridges are out there now! Im glad you included MPBR in your comparison.. That really gives an accurate look at how flat shooting any given cartridge is.. And that MPBR method of zeroing a rifle makes for extremely quick target acquisition for a lethal shot.. Great advice! I hope lots of viewers take notice and put it into practice.. Thanks for the great videos!
Thanks from Belgium, Ron My best buddy got his hunting license today after a 3 years. Corona..failed education course( pretty intens course over here)...ect. But he got it..I told him totake a look at your channel..for his catridge of choice in his first rifle..I recomnended the 270 Win but I want him to make up his own mind. With the old 270 Win in a first rifle you have good baselayer..he might (hopefully) wanders of into other cartridges...just to find out what a winner the old one is..thats what good buddy's are fore😉
Very informative video, thank you Ron! I'll keep an eye on this Sig Fury however I wonder how affordable the " new brass" will. The venerable 270 is very useful here in Australia, shooting from a paddock to an other with distance often exceeding 400 meters. I tend to prefer the 130 grain copper bullets, better velocity and accuracy, it work wonder at those distances.
+1 monolithic fan as well. A bullet design(s) that really takes the oldies to new levels. That’s my fave thing about these new technologies in our arena: making the oldies better!
So right, reloading made such a different in performance if compared to commercial offering in that particular calibre... It gives the 270 very long legs with new performance stepping in 7 mag territory's without the recoil and a lot less powder. I don't hunt Samba deer or buffalo :) so my 270 do it all and exceed all my requirements by far !
Great Review, Ron. As you pointed out the Remington SPC is for humans at close range. Increased weight and diameter to boost knock-down power for insane jihadis. And AR & short-barrel friendly. Incomparable to the other fine hunting cartridges. But nice to know! Thanks.
The extra mass is actually for penetrating barriers like windshields of cars.
Actually the 6.8 SPC has been proven to be a very fine deer and hog cartridge at modest ranges. Almost no recoil is a definite bonus. It has been chambered in bolt guns as well as AR's. Very popular in Texas!
@@dp2702 I see that comment about just about every cartridge being very versatile, soft shooting, great for pigs etc.
@@dp2702 Good to know. My point was that if the cartridge was built to satisfy a military RFP, then it was designed with humans in mind. That said, the 5.56 was a "man" cartridge and from what I can see with our fellow Texans here, it is widely used on hogs, though not thought to be ethical on deer. I imagine the 6.8 SPC would be fine for deer.
I have a Remington 700 in 270 win...I've always loaded .130 gr nosler and it shoots like a dream... chronograph it @3150fps at the muzzle...very flat shooting and have taken numerous deer with it...great video...big fan..keep em coming
Great video Ron.. thanks for keeping us updated on these new rounds.. im thinking 6.8 western will be my next new rifle..
You're welcome, Lloyd.
Ron, this was a great intr to the old .270. I understand that it seems like there is always someone trying to tweek an old cartridge to make something that is better than the original or for whatever reason they have in their heads at the time. It will never end. As far as I am concerned, an old guy in his late 60s that has been shooting for a very long time, there really isn't all that much to be gained from the original .270. You get a little gain in some, but if you are shooting a 150 gr. bullet like you have shot for more than 25 years and are really good with your tool, what is the point in changing something that is by far one of the best hunting cartridges ever made? I'll just keep shooting my Remington and Winchesters and let them spend all of their money and time until they figure it out, and then they can go back to what is proven. The 6.8, I think might be the only thing there that might stick around for any time. The Winchester with a 71/2 twist actually is more accurate than the Remington in the .270 Win cartridge.
TBull, you're like most of us old fudds. Satisfied with what's worked the past 50 years or so. Just part of human Nature. Chances are you don't lust after the newest smartphone either. Nor chase wild women. Or let them catch you! The word for all this is wisdom. Cheers!
You might appreciate this. I shoot a 1-8.5 twist 270 win with a 170 grain Berger out of a 30 inch barrel at 3140 fps . Drills milk jugs at a mile no problem.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors Chances are you don’t lust after the newest smartphone. Nor chase wild woman . Ron Spomer . Won’t forget that one .
@@sethdoane5295 That is very good shooting.You must have picked a day with very little wind. I think shooting 1500 yards was pretty good but that was a real long distance.
I still use my 22oz Plumb framing hammer from 35 years ago. "No point in changing."
Hey Ron. Thanks for this video very informative. Wish you had used the 130 gr rather than 150. It's a more common used bullet with. with the 270 crowd down here
Some of the newer 270s are not even being loaded with 130-grain, so I went 150 to come closer to reality with those. Still had to leave the SPC out.
Yip, I've shot boxes and boxes of 130's, never chambered a 150. I did shoot a few 140's back when Winchester was still offering the black box Failsafes. Too bad that got shut down. They were awesome. But I've taken a truckload of a deer with old cheap 130 grain soft points. Hard to beat actually.
Thank you so much for this video. Great job Ron
Thanks Missey.
I got a 270 wsm. Incredible gun
I'll stick with my old 270 winchester and my 270 wby mag if I need a little more thump!
The 270 wby mag in an older model Mark V is probably the coolest looking bolt gun ever IMO . That thing was built for long shots out west. With today’s bullet tech and hand loading data I don’t think any of the other long rang 27s are even valid. They are more of cartridge sex appeal lol 😂. 150 partition from that 270 wby through the lungs will dispatch elk and moose just fine. My buddy has taken couple decent bulls with 130 X bullets in regular 270 Winchester
I have a weatherby mark v synthetic and ruger no1 safe queen both on 270 wby mag
@@DaBellyMan318 dang sweet rigs
@@bs431980 thanks man! Lots of blood sweat and tears buying them sir!
270 WSM is boss, I like the 7wsm is awesome too. The 325 WSM is a huge thumper in the larger caliber area.
+1 325 fan. I didn’t give one iotta for the 325 when it came out. Many were hoping the next WSM would be a 338. I wanted a 358. A fan and figured that diameter would work better in the WSM case. On introduction I thought “an 8mm?!”. Then I found an octagonal barreled A-Bolt with beautiful walnut in that caliber. I fell in love with it. 270 flat with a 180gr TSX
Right on
Love the 270Win and .277 Calibre.
Ron, reference to my other comment on the 6.8 SPC, my cousin and his boys have run three of the AR's for years now on trips to Texas. I can't even begin to tally the deer and hogs that have fallen to that 140 NBT load in the 6.8 SPC. His Texas trips were my proving grounds for the load. Its VERY effective and VERY pleasant and easy to shoot.
Interesting. I've heard from some who were quite dissatisfied with 115-grain loads in the 6.8 SPC. At low velocities, bullet mass seems to become more significant for good terminal performance.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors that 140 is nasty. The 130 is almost as good, but there was no major gain in velocity. In the end, the 140 won out with 10 grains more bullet weight and a higher BC and SD. Penetration has never been an issue.
Another great video Ron! As a devoted 7mm loyalist for the past 30 plus years, I have shunned the 6.5 craze but quite truthfully I am very interested in the 6.8 Western. The ballistics are impressive along with the short action. I hand load so the availability of components is a big factor. I’m still a .280 Ackley loyalist. I would be quite interested in yours Ron. Thanks again
Thanks John.
I love my 6.8 SPC, it’s a hog and deer getter under 200 yards. Good enough for the girls I go out with…
Great review Ron….I love my 270wsm, I have 2 rifles in that caliber
I run both a 270 win w/26" barrel and 270 Gibbs w/30" barrel. 1 in 9 twist and they both stabilize bullets from the barnes 95grn ttsx to the berger 170grn, producing .25" to .5" groups. I there are some 175grn and 180grn bullets available as well. Love the content.
Nice video. My bolt gun is a 7mm-08, mostly 139 grain. A little softer recoil, good distance for central Texas terrain. Not really needing jumbo ammo with large game. You have done a few videos on the 7-08... would like to see another.
140 class bullets and normal distances make the 7-08, 260, and 6.5cm great for most hunters.
7mm-08 was great for its time, but with some of the heavier 6.5 pills being propelled in the creedmore or PRC’s or even some of these 6.8’s, that cartridge isn’t able to maximize the potential of the amazing 7mm.
Yep.. up in northwest ranges, 6.8 or 7 mags are good for 500-900 yards. I don't need that in central and north Texas... my shots are 200 yards max. Don’t need to keep up with the Jones, just because it is new... 7-08 is a good round.
@@ValadezReels you’re right! I live at the edge of the hill country in NW San Antonio.
7-08 is an under appreciated round. I had a bolt in that caliber for years, took a lot of deer and a bear with it. I think the big trouble is finding one, you never seem to see many on the shelves but I agree, its plenty of gun for midwest hunting or where its brushy.
I'll give the increased recoil of the "faster" cartridges a miss, as my .270, its MPBR & energy levels are more than enough for my needs, without excessive recoil.
Excellent video I enjoyed the lesson on the cartridges differences
Great episode Ron! That missing .31 cal is the 7.62 X 54R and the AK's 7.62 X 39 bullet diameter iirc.
BTW, the old (like me) fellas who keep saying there’s not much to gain beyond 270 win & Wtby are completely missing the point of a new SAAMI-spec’d cartridge with much faster twist barrels pushing high-BC bullets for long range. It’s time the old girl got her due.
Great video but really, the 6.8 SPC is out of place in that comparison. It was designed for a totally different purpose. I’d be interested to see the 6.8SPC compared to cartridges like the 5.56, 5.45x39, 6.5 Grendel, .30 AR, and 7.62x39.
Love my 270 weatherby but caught a lot of grief for ordering it in a 270 win but that's all I needed. She's a 95/96 year still have the receipt for the old girl and the factory 3 shot 🎯
Ron, another great vid. Glad you mentioned the 6.8 China. I've heard of it but have never found one, digging around old cartridge collections. Have you ever seen this oddball? Always love my 270 Wins., they remind of growing up dreaming of tipping over rams in the Yukon, like Jack O. Tried a 270 short fat, nothing wrong with it, but I just couldn't warm up to it. Forgot about the 277 Fury. Interesting design. BTW, your rooster firmly believes in, "use enough spur". Cheers, Jeff.
They "creedmoor'd" the 270 WSM with that western.
Agree, creedmoor'd = long higher BC bullet not seated deep into case, longer free bore in throat, OAL fits magazine
I was wondering why they didn’t just make the wsm with a longer throat. I load for my 300wm and I can load so they won’t fit in the mag… it took me till now to just realize it was all about mag length. Too bad there are not more offerings.
Overall, the 270 wsm seems to be the pick off the bunch.... matches the 270wby with a much more compact, more modern design! Rifles are more compact and lighter too !
Good luck finding ammo for it
Dayum how did I not know you were here before? I usually find it pretty darn hard to make it through a 20-minute KZhead video. But not this time. Nice plain speak with the right type of detailed information and statistical comparison. In my opinion your video is the perfect way to present the information. Starting with chronological history mixed in with some anecdotal and practical information and then finally an actual ballistic comparison. I found your presentation to be uniquely objective, a quality which is often missing from many typical highly opinionated gun videos where are they are showing obvious bias; not that gun in hunting people are ever opinionated 😂 I'm just a regular guy so this won't be any kind of earth-shattering statement, but sir I thoroughly enjoyed your video and you definitely have my respect.
Isn't that 277 from Sig supposed to be the 277 Fury (like, angry, rage, etc) and not the 277 Furry (those guys that dress up in animal costumes) like the list shows at 12:29?
Yikes!
Now I want a Paul Harrell video where he compares the effect of different cartridges on a test "Furry target", covered with 4 layers of fur.
Did we let one slip through? Geez I hate that. I always check that Fury so it doesn't come out Furry. Kind of like fussy and fuzzy. Sorry, Sir.
Well, the cartridge is cursed now. Thanks, Chops
The .270 wsm is still a bolt of lightning. Not much competes in short action out to 500yds on energy and drop.
The 270 wsm and 7 wsm are truly underrated big game HUNTING cartridges.
@@carlosfigueroa847 I just got a Tikka t3 Hunter in .270 wsm. I’m getting sub moa with two different weight factory bullets. Unreal what it could fo with some reloads.
@@adamelam6385 yup, 3200 fps 130 grain mono bullet is serious medicine. Here in California, it's what non-lead bullets you can even get. In the 270 class, I'd probably even opt for a 110 grain, given how stout they are. At that weight, they'd be really screaming.
The 270 WSM truly is a screamer our to 500. I just wonder though if Winchester’s introduction of the 6.8 Western, will obsolete the WSM version in time. Remember the 7 mm STW? Back in the 90s it was all the rage. Now it’s pretty much unheard of.
@@youngin881 it’s going to put a whomping on it I am sure. I won’t say I’ll never get a 6.8 Western when Tikka or Bergara get involved but this season I’m taking my t3 Hunter .270 wsm.