Youtube Family Plane Crash Caught on Video | Viral Debrief
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A KZheadr family went flying in Utah and had an engine failure and they caught it all on video so lets see how it all went.
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Well the 1st good thing was that they didn't parachute out when their plane ran into trouble, unlike a certain KZheadr.
What happened to the one who parachuted out ?
@@longwindingroad We’ll see when the FAA gets done with him.
Haha yes indeed. And looks like they actually did get into trouble.
@@goldenageofdinosaurs7192 The FAA doesn't hand-out criminal charges. The FBI does.
I was hoping there would be some mention but given the fact that the legal system wants his ass, Kelsey likely wants no part. Nothing to be learned from it.
Great advice my CFI gave me: don’t try and convince anyone to go flying in a small plane with you. They’re probably not going to like it any more than they did before, they’re probably not going to have a great time, and you’ve got other friends who’d love to take their spot anyway.
Always easy to find someone who would actually enjoy the ride.
Of course I learned the hard way not to do that. Even people who are eager, well....I am very careful about that now.
as someone who loves flying (of course i do, i'm watching this channel) i would literally pay to hitch a ride in a small plane while doing "boring" things like touch and goes lol.
One thing that for some reason stuck in my mind that my CFI told me: when taking someone up and doing the "I can see my house" always do *left* turns! That way you are between them and the ground. Right turns can lead to "omg, I'm going to fall out" feelings. A small thing, but sound advice.
im reading this the day before im gonna be flying with a stunt pilot in a single engine 😶
I'm a flight instructor in Utah. I teach mountain flying pretty frequently. Being up over the Uinta mountains on a warm day in the summer is a terrible, TERRIBLE idea. The only time I fly around the Uinta's in a naturally aspirated airplane is early morning, and evening. The density altitude in the Uinta range can be as high as 16,000 feet at surface level. I've had 12,000 foot density altitude days where I just can't take off. "I would never do anything dangerous." No. This dude broke EVERY SINGLE RULE of mountain flying. Literally every single one. He flew down the center of the valley. He flew in the valley in the afternoon. He flew too low in the valleys. He flew with a full plane. He didn't give himself escape routes. He flew over water with no real landing spot or safe shoreline nearby without flotation devices. He didn't give himself ridgeline crossing altitude. He didn't pre-plan go/no-go landing spots. Most importantly, he put most of the important people in his life in one aircraft in a dangerous situation. Mountain flying, in the Uinta's in the spring or summer, is not something to toy with. High gross weight and high density altitude are not friends. This was a learning lesson that they were very lucky to have survived. Take a mountain flying course. Don't be stupid.
Thank you for this. I'm just starting my PPL journey (I'm 35 yo). I'm in middle of flat country Iowa though (1200 ft elev). One goal of mine is so sometime take my wife and kid out west on a vacation. Maybe flying over Yellowstone or something. But, I absolutely want to be as safe as possible with it. I was thinking summer, but sounds like that might be a bad idea? Will definitely want to go through a mountain flying course though.
Hi Mike, Where do you teach? I'm currently getting my PPL in SLC and very interested in a mounting flying course down the road.
@@jacobkoehler7723 hey! Just wanted to say that you have a very good last name 😉😁
@@iowafarmboy I would not recommend going in the summer, but if you do, start flying at the crack of dawn and be on the ground within a few hours before it gets too hot. On a hot day, not only will the density altitude be crazy high, but there will be lots of turbulence and winds as the ground heats up.
@@sintillate1913 makes sense. Thanks!
"I would never do anything that's dangerous." And that's what we call foreshadowing.
Homie jinxed himself lol
69 likes backwards lol
you should watch the whole video I’ve never seen anyone jinxes themselves so many times I thought the video was going to be a joke the first time i watched it because of the foreshadowing
@@sarvolkskaya no he didn't. They didn't know that was going to happen. Thank you to God that they all made it out alive and are doing so well now!
I didn't like his phrasing because first of all, we do dangerous stuff all the time. Them driving to the airport that morning was statistically more dangerous than flying (not sure if that statistic is only for commercial planes but the point remains the same). He should have said "I wouldn't do anything to actively endanger you" or something to that effect, but even then, it would have still been a lie according to Kelsey and the other pilots here in the comments
Flashback to my instructor telling me over and over, "There's nothing more useless than runway behind you and altitude above you".
And fuel in the fuel truck!
@ Eihab Shah “And fuel in the fuel truck”... until you end up overweight or well out of CoG.
The wind behind you isn't good either unless you're at altitude.
I was told. Always look for a good place to put it down.
If flight instructors spent less time repeating cutesy sayings and more time actually teaching practical lessons on airspeed discipline we wouldn't have this many GA pilots maim and kill themselves and their families.
I took flight lessons in Utah out of the Ogden Airport, near Hill AFB. One lesson stands out. My instructor had me flying over Antelope Island and made an offhand comment - "See the buffalo down there?" I replied "No, I'm too high to see them". To which he replied "That's right, and I expect you to stay up this high and stay safe." I think I'd made a comment about spotting for Elk from a plane for hunting season, and he chose to make the point this way instead of telling me how stupid I was.
Beautiful!😇
Its also not legal to spot for wildlife for purposes of hunting (FARs)
I was a Flight Instructor and I have a lot of mountain flying experience. He should not have been so low in that canyon. Period. He was trying to make it exciting for his passengers but he put everyone in that plane at high risk (something he said he would not do) Obviously a risk taker and a show off. If you want to do that by yourself that's fine but not with a full plane load of family and friends. They were very lucky to survive his blatant disregard for their lives and their safety.
At 15:42 Kelsey says what the pilot was doing was not “unsafe”.
@@t6v5c2 and seconds later he says it still is poor decision making.
To hear the pilot say "I would never do something that would be even remotely dangerous" and then watch him pass "remotely" and go directly to "dangerous"..... sheesh! I love many of these flight channels, but won't be seeking out their channel. I've taken many risks in my life and I have no qualms against those who do, but leave your family and friends out of your quest for the thrill.
@@t6v5c2 Of course it was unsafe. He gave himself no options for handling the eventuality of mechanical failure. Assuming the engine failure was not due to human error then his decisions to fly low and slow over challenging terrain with probabably near capacity weight changed what could have been an engine out firm but controlled landing on tarmac somewhere into a near fatal uncontrolled impact. He was lucky it wasnt an actual fatal of someone in the aircraft or someone on the ground in which case he would be looking at not just a life changing event but life in prison A Safe pilot is one that does not take UNNECESSARY risks.
I'm an airline captain with nearly 20000 hours. So let me ask you this, what difference would it of made if he was alone or had one passenger or 2 or three ? On a single engine airplane, the engine fails, you're mind is made up. The airplane will not be able to maintain level flight regardless of how many passengers or weight. You are forced to land somewhere. What difference would it of made if he was above the rim at 1500 AGL ? He was still going to have to put it down somewhere. I think you guys are confusing single engine with multie engine single engine performance. If he had been in a twin than yes I would agree with all your criticism since that would of meant he should of been able to make it back to an airport in the event he had an engine failure. Putting yourself in a no escape situation in a twin is reckless and unsafe but again in a single engine airplane there is no escape route and you will be crash landing no matter what if you are not near an airport. Its that simple.
I am a long distance runner from Europe (basically sea level) and when I was 17 I lived in Provo, UT for a year. The first time I went for a jog I thought I was going to die. I never really liked physics in school or in general, and that day, after some oxygen therapy, I learned about the combination of elevation and temperature. Obviously "hot and high" applies to jogging as well... Let alone planes.
also moved from a flat seashore city in Europe to a mountainous region with probably 800m increase in altitude. went on a morning jog and couldn't last 20minutes... there is a pretty well investigated phenomenon of oxygen deprivation in blood when making such kind of move, which gets evened by increased RBC production after a couple months. it's actually a very healthy process and contributes to longevity in high-altitude areas....
"And this is why I always wear a parachute when I fly." - Trevor Jacob. 😉
LOL!!!
And your dual fire extinguishers duct taped to your legs
wouldn't have helped at this low altitude
@@MentalParadox Don't sell our boy short. He'd have been prepared for that too. Would probably even have some GoPros on the trees for those cinematic goodness 😣
@@MentalParadox Epecially the fire extinguishers. ;)
"I promise I won't do anything dangerous". Proceeds to fly down the middle of the valley at low altitude and airspeed, then ride the stall horn to a crash landing.
Logic brah
Uncle Kelsey is too kind. 🙂
And the worst is he continued to take the video.
@@nameunknown007 not to excuse the other behaviors, but 99% certain the passenger was the one recording video.
The handheld video was made by the front right seat occupant, not the left seat pilot flying.
I had followed this family on KZhead for a while, and the gentleman in the passenger front seat had severe injuries to his legs, was in a wheelchair for months, had multiple surgeries, and needed a lot of therapy to recover from this accident. But he always stayed positive and had a lot of support. I could sympathize with him because I was a passenger in the front seat of a car that was hit head on, and had severe leg injuries myself.
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@@BushmanCanuck .
@@BushmanCanuck The Mikesell Family
I think you mean empathize
I remember reading about this crash when it happened. Dude rode the stall horn all the way to the ground and belly flopped instead of gliding it out. The only positive thing about this is that he didn't kill anyone with his incompetence.
Nailed it. Not only did he not switch tanks to get power, he then let the plane just fall out of the sky in an uncontrolled full stall. Really, really glad it was not 80' and then 4 fatalities....
Exactly! The whole time I’m yelling “pitch down”. Look for the best glide speed. You can tel he was trying to just gain altitude.
@@themaincrunch8773 I think he was actually thinking in automobile terms and reducing the speed as much as possible before the crash. Too bad that airplane practically stops moving forward and starts to go down when you stall it, so you cannot apply automobile logic in situations like this. He should have flow the plane to ground using the maximum lift speed which should have been around 85 KIAS for this plane instead of about 50-60 for the stall speed. Another explanation is that he was really really afraid about the plane flipping over and thinking you have to fly at stall speeds to reduce that risk.
I've suffered an engine failure in the mountains of Wyoming and had to put it down in a forest. Luckily I had some time as I was roughly 4k AGL so picked out a field but it had rocks. I was able to put it down without ground looping or doing severe damage to the aircraft. The whole time I was hearing "fly the plane THROUGH the crash". Walked away with just a few bruises.
How did they retrieve the aircraft ?
@@bocefusmurica4340 Taking the wings off and hauling it on a truck, he said it was in a field so it should have had access to heavy vehicles.
Please, tell us, what caused the engine failure?
The legacy of Bob Hoover
Glad you're ok, you never know exactly how you'll react until it happens to you. Had an engine out a couple of moths ago myself, picked a nice field next to a farm, only managed to see the steel wire electric fence in the last 100'. Made it ok and flew out after fixing it. Made a lot simpler with it being a gyroplane :) Still, could have been avoided with better maintenance (a not tight enough radiator hose)
I appreciate how Kelsey breaks everything down to basics so even novices like me understand the physics/dynamics of what happened.
Indeed! And his commenting / scripting is getting even better!
Okay, but if you know a bit about aviation like I do, you may find yourself getting irritated as he stretches a short clip by over explaining everything. I had to fast forward through a lot of tautology.
@@KJ6EAD he makes these videos to break-down such incidents to the general public, considering most people don’t know anything about aviation and many are fearful flyers, so he’s doing a great job analysing/explaining every bit of the video in profound detail.
@@imeaiwteh7540 possibly but only true aviation buffs are going to watch this video, agree with KJ, this probably only warranted a 7-8 min video max.
@@nighthawk0077 what is ‘true aviation buffs’? He probably doesn’t care about people who already know enough about aviation, because they won’t need to listen to him break down such video to be able to comprehend what happened, unlike the rest of the general public who have no idea what went wrong and how well the situation was handled.
I'm very grateful for my instructor. Since my very first lesson, he would, at any point he liked in the lesson, pull my throttle to idle and make me simulate an emergency landing. Didn't matter if we were in a steep turn, ground reference maneuvers, or even during stall recovery. He wanted to make sure I am ready for an engine failure at any time, especially since I'm in central Utah.
You rock brother! I love this video just to show how calm cool and collected saves the day, panic is the enemy of all emergencies, great job highlighting this
The “coming up” never gets old 😀
I gave up MDMA a while back
You don't wanna hear a pilot start with "going down".
@@georgethakur 😭😭🤣
Kelsey, the accident aircraft is a Cessna Centurion 210 turbo, a 6 seat aircraft. The front seat occupants were seriously injured, requiring extensive rehab, with the right seat occupant airlifted out. The middle seat occupants were injured. The twin boys in the back row were banged up but not seriously injured. Gliding with engine out is obviously not a familiar flight regime to most GA pilots. The critical task is to keep enough pitch down to maintain airspeed above safe minimums (and not banking helps), a task which is psychologically difficult with the rapidly approaching ground filling the windshield, causing a natural tendency to pull back on the stick/yoke. This pilot flirted with the stall horn and eventually lost the battle at about 75-100 feet agl instead of flying all the way to the ground. While no one can predict what would have happened, flying all the way to the ground for an “exciting” landing would have likely significantly decreased the chances/severity of injuries.
I agree, he did not seem to be aware of the aircraft's best glide speed, especially with the given weight and balance. Holding the nose up with the stall horn coming on over and over again clearly didn't give him best range. Also, despite the green field looking rather good and the beach looking strip, at least on video, seeming to steeply banked, he didn't commit to a landing area until he was forced to by the ultimate stall. But as Kelsey said: this is armchair flying. As aviators, there is a few things to take away: - be sure to know your outs. Engines fail, mountain winds can overpower your max climb etc - know your aircraft. That's not just it's basic parameters like stall speed and best glide speed, but also the systems, especially the fuel system. - be aware of when you are experiencing your hazardous attitudes. Am I flying low and slow to show off? Am I taking risks because I think nothing can happen to me?
And I agree
Keep flying until the crunching stops....
@@pjakobs Most of the information is in POH. It is pretty much the first thing you discuss with instructor during checkout. Power-off at least an approach to land is required to complete it, too. The beach is not necessarily better for landing, but the straight portion of it is much shorter. He had only one attempt, after all.
So sad.....too low and too slow....violates common sense from private pilot traning....pilot needs to get back to basics once he recovers.
It's disturbing he looked so sure of himself tho he was actually being reckless and not nearly as clued up as he should have been. They're very lucky to have survived.
I don’t know that I’m as scared to get in a small plane as I am to get in with a lot of small plane pilots. I’d be fine with someone like you behind the controls. Used to be an aviation attorney (clients were usually the estates of private pilots 😔), which meant going through everything that went wrong step-by-step and occasionally viewing the wreckage. I lasted a year and hit my limit.
Dealing with acidents all the time sounds stressfull. Do you still work a a lawyer?
Every pilot will tell you that they are safe to fly with. Ha Ha. And unless you're a pilot, you're probably not even going to know half of the screwed-up things that are happening on your flight. (On the other hand, I used to get calls all the time from mutual friends of a certain pilot, and they would always start the conversation with, "Is it normal for/when [insane pilot behaviur]...." so they had detected at least something seemed wrong.)
@@FranziskaNagel445 still a lawyer, just not aviation
Tony Velasquez Dead bodies, particularly lots and lots of children, smartass. You sound like a few lawyers I know
Thank you for covering this one. As scary it was to watch there was a lot of important information you were able to share!
"They eventually crashed into the ocean and everybody died, but the point of this is never give up. You always have a chance." - Kelsey
I shouldn’t laugh so hard at this but LOL 😂 ….hey always gotta keep a positive outlook.
Imagine being able to tell a variation of that to a WW2 pilot who got shot down and still died after doing everything possible to save the plane, and getting their justifiably pissed reaction lol. "Sorry you tried your best and died horribly but ... you always still had a chance buddy! :)"
@@MrElis420 One added word and a change of tense can change a sentence so much. "You always have a chance" and "You always still had a chance" are very different. You did everything you could to save the plane and didn't manage it, you HAD a chance, but you took your chances as best you could and it didn't work out. But at the end of the day, you never gave up despite feeling or even knowing your chance was gone. Edit: formatting
@@ObnoxiousCamoToe yeah there's a poker expression "a chip and a chair", which is basically the same thing. You always have a chance. Having a chance tho doesn't mean it's going to work out. But even a 1% chance is better than the 0% you have when you give up. Even if 99/100 the outcome is exactly the same.
They didn't die. They are all alive
One of the best things I've ever heard, there's recorded conversations between the man and controllers, but he went up with a friend of his in his small plane, unfortunately the pilot died. The man had never flown an airplane before but with the help of air traffic control, pilots instructing him and this man's calm courage, he landed the plane and lived. I can't imagine your friend dying and not being able to fly yourself, staying as calm as he did. It was amazing.
It was a king air pilot joe cabuk died and passenger Doug White (who had flown a total of 150 hours, not in a king air but in a Cessna 172) was walked through what to do by some wonderful ATC personnel.
I believe some part of the brain can kick in and say "you can panic and with certainty die, or you can be focused and perhaps not die"
@@greggleason8467 he’s talking about the British guy that was flying with a friend, not his whole family.
@@stevegiboney4493 What's the British one? I know the King Air one, and there is one with an old lady landing it, they both had some lessons years ago. There is also a great short vid of a trainee pilot at a flight school landing with no landing gear after a malfunction. She did a damn good job.
@@Queen-of-Swords The British on was a guy with no flying experience going up with his friend. The pilot dies during the flight and a pilot got on the radio and had to teach the passenger to fly by radio instruction. The hard part was that it was getting dark and he made a few bad approaches as it was getting dark. He made the last landing after the sun was already well below the horizon.
As my instructor always says when we talk about and simulate things like this, "it's battle conditions now." Forgot to mention, thanks for sharing, Kelsey. Always passing out so much wisdom. Keep the blue side up. I also forgot to mention that I flew my first three laps solo today. I can't get over it. It still doesn't feel real after everything is said and done. Thank you for inspiring me every time you post. Much love 💜💜
Congratulations!
Staying calm and focused to get the plane on the ground was the best thing that saved their lives!
No... LUCK was the best thing that saved them...
@@rhymereason3449 indeed, he did everything wrong
I didn’t watch the whole video… but it sure looks like the airplane stalled as well before reaching the ground?
He was flying too slow as evidenced by the stall warning constantly going off. If he flew a little faster, like best glide speed he would have had better aileron and elevator control and might have pulled off a smoother return to earth, sounds like he dropped it in.
@@liamlongthorne6708 Yep, to me it looked like it may have been around tree top level when it fell out of the sky. I agree with you.
I mostly agree with you Kelsey, however best glide speed is your best shot of making your landing place. Hearing the stall horn going off, is something you don't want to find yourself hearing in an engine out situation.
I was thinking the same. Stall warning is pretty far from best glide speed. Don’t wanna criticize this guy…he was in a tough spot, but perhaps he looks back and realizes maybe he should have been faster.
100% agree.
@@kevinvoorheis1990 Thats just it, he was already on the limit at that DA and full load of passengers.
Yep. the stall horn balring and then the verticle "belly flop" into the earth is textbook non-pilotage. Simply keeping up best glide and setting it down is always better than pulling the nose high and stalling at 4 stories high.
@@kevinvoorheis1990 yeah, that was my big thing too. I am a bit more lenient on them for the late bank though. My guess, pilot didn't know if he'd make land or not so prioritized making land over the need for a late bank. The unfortunate part is if they'd been at glide speed they could have probably had both easily.
Im glad everyone survived. Ive followed both families since way before this incident. Thankfully, they've all recooped as much as possible and continue to fly commercially. Im proud of them for that!
Chuck Yeager said one of the reason he survived the dangerous years of test piloting in the late 40s and early 50s was he always played the "what if" game. What if I lose this, what do I do? What if this fails, what do I do? If he didn't know, he asked he asked his test engineer, Jack Ridley. Another thing he did was to fly as much as he could in as many different aircraft as he could. He figured sometimes that one less hour of experience could make the difference between recovering and augering in.
I'm always looking out for places I might have to make an emergency landing. It is a habit I acquired from flying sailplanes and reinforced by my instructors. Even when driving around countryside I flyover, I will sometimes note nice landable fields on my gps.
As a cross country pilot I do the same thing. Especially when flying non-motorized. A friend crashed into the top of the Sierras at around 12,000 feet and was injured and had to spend the night. Luckily for him, when he lost his prop he was about 2000 feet over the top of the mountains. He couldn't glide out and only had time for one or two turns to line up for a dead stick landing in unfamiliar territory. A few rocks got in his way but he survived the night with an emergency blanket and a first aid kit. He now has a new plane and is flying again today.
I start thinking about emergency landings as soon as I rotate. I don't dwell on the thought, but it is always in the back of my mind. My instructor emphasized that thought process, reaching over right after we rotated off the runway, pulling the throttle back to idle, and telling me, "you just lost your engine (power)." And I would settle back down on the 10,000 ft runway at Willow Run Airport in Ypsilanti, Michigan.
That's one of the first things every pilot gets drilled into his head: always, ALWAYS have someplace to land picked out in advance at every moment in case your engine quits unexpectedly.
I'm a former pilot but lost my medical. I may try gliders...any advice would be appreciated.
@@paulw176 I would look into a Sport license. You only need a drivers license and then pass a written test. With a sport license you can carry a passenger. The license is somewhat limited as far as size of the aircraft is concerned but still, you don't need a medical. A sail plane requires a private license. Not sure if a sport license will take you there.
In my opinion if you as a pilot get a failure and you still manage to land good enough to keep your passengers alive, that's already a big win. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be prone to evaluation of what could've been done better because then we won't learn from it. But if your engine cuts out and you land the damn thing good enough so that everybody lives, you did a lot of things right as well and you doesn't discard that which I really appreciate about this channel.
Thanks very much for taking the time to explain what’s going on! You make it a good lesson.
A good reason I enjoy Kelsey's videos, is he explains things to non-aviation people. Like the lose airspeed for altitude or in the example he gives lose speed to go up a hill. In this case the car loses speed due to speed, in our case as pilots we lose speed, aka airspeed, due to drag. Things like this explanation make it easier for people to get the point without having to discuss drag and all that airplane mumbo jumbo. Great job Kelsey.
I’ve watched a lot of your videos. It is evident you are a very humble, knowledgeable, and safety conscious pilot; I would have no reservations flying on an aircraft you are piloting. Thank you for your content.
Lesson: Don't fly low and slow with a plane full of people at a high density altitude over very rugged terrain. He should have got the plane to best glide speed and left the flaps up and aimed for that flatter shoreline. I agree with Kelsey 100%.
Definitely. It's a combination of all the worst factors. 1000 ft of extra altitude would give an extra 1.5 miles of glide radius. With nothing but forests so low, an engine failure will result in crashing into trees.
Yeah as soon as I heard the bit about the flaps I was like “ooof!” … that extra drag is not gonna help with the stall warning going off … tbh I think that was about the time once his flaps had deployed is when the wing drop occurred at the end.
I was wondering about the flaps. Seemed like a bad idea when he needed to stretch his glide as much as possible.
Hindsight is 20/20
Don't hate me. I'm just confused about something, and I do what [some] people do when they're confused about something: I ask questions. So if I've read you wrong, just say, "Hey, Bro, you read me wrong," OK? Higher altitude, which Utah is, actually is lower density air, not higher density air, yeah?
I really appreciate you putting captions, it helps me a lot.
One of the reasons I listen to your channel is because you know what you're talking about. There's no bs. I've been flying since I was born. My biological father was a pilot in the Air Force. Around 1984 is when we bought our first airplane, a Cessna 150J N51305.
Thanks for all the great content Kelsey!
I am reminded that there are some planes where the emergency list specifically says, the airframe will not survive a ditching attempt. of course, when they were coming in over the reservoir, my first thought was the saying, "the three most useless things in aviation are runway behind you, airspace above you, and tik tok videos." also: "that spinny thing on the front of the plane is a cooling fan. when it stops spinning, the pilot starts sweating."
"runway behind you, airspace above you, and tik tok videos" hehehehe
Hahahahahahahahahaha "the three most useless things in aviation are runway behind you, airspace above you, and tik tok videos." 😀😃😂🙃 That comment just made my day.
I cant lie. When the cooling fan stops, the pilot does indeed sgart sweating 🤣🤣
@@ArtemkaPannat Dunno, tiktok videos are quite educational. Kelsey can explain tons of things based on them. While the fuel left home is a strong third even now.
@@B2BWide , sometimes full fuel loads can get put you over gross weight, when you add passengers & their gear. You want enough fuel for the flight (+ 1/2 hour "for the wife & kiddies", as Dad would say), but not to exceed gross takeoff weight (which is easier to do than you think).
I was flying with a friend in his C-220. During the tour around the area he was sharing tips like, "Leave yourself an out", "Keep aware of possible landing spots, just in case". I'm not even a pilot, but I love flying and learning about it from pros on youtube.
Your intro in this video was about the best breakdown and explanation I've ever heard re: commercial / general aviation.. Keep up the great videos
"Low and slow and nowhere to go." I grew up in the backseat of a small plane (mostly a Bonanza). We flew every Sunday for most of my childhood. Never had any incidents, but my Dad was meticulous about maintenance on the plane.
From Utah I know this lake and area really well. Possibly the best thing he had going for him to his credit was he was going down valley rather than up. Behind him the canyon rises and opens up to a 12,000 ft basin with 13,000 ft peaks surrounding it.
Oh dang he'd have flown into the side of a mountain or some trees
Oh, nice! Any chance you can tell me where it is? I'd like to try the scenario out in MSFS, but I was just thinking how hard it'd be to find _one_ particularly valley with a lake in it "somewhere in Utah".
@@barefootalien Sure at 6:07 the plane is heading south as it crosses over the northern shoreline of Moon Lake in the Uinta Mountain range. The crash takes place just past the southern shoreline in the clearing past the campground.
@@MountainHobbler Key thing here is the elevation of the lake surface -- almost 8,100 feet above sea level. Thin air to glide in.
This has nothing to do with the video but my family loves you and your channel Kelsey!!! We have traveled the globe and been on everything from private biz jets to Airbus A380 and Boeing 747 and everything in between. My kids all started flying as babies just like me and we love to fly as passengers. It has been really fun to follow you and Mentor Pilot too. Thank you for taking the time to make great content. We are learning a lot.
Great video my CFI that I’m retraining with right now made the emphasis upon letting the passengers know before you leave the ground what procedures you would follow in the event of having an engine failure and having to put the aircraft down at somewhere other than an airport and it was very useful and so was your video thanks again for your contribution always good to see you!
Kudos to the pilot for not bailing the second the engine quit
Bailing? You mean jump out? We don't carry parachutes in our small planes. The pilot is trying to save his own life too. :)
@@flyingGrandpa You've not heard of Trevor Jacob then?
@@DaedalusYoung Yes I have. Pilots do not normally ride around with parachutes at all, which is what is strange about Trevor Jacob. I have never flown my plane with a parachute on, or any other plane. The only pilots I have seen do that were doing aerobatics which requires it.
@@flyingGrandpa Exactly. I do believe that is what OP was referring to.
Your videos give great insight on what to do if this happens type situations. As a pilot study, I gather information the best I can because I can use all the extras I can get other than training. The part where you speak near the end of the video of pulling back on the throttle is a very smart thing to do to learn the aircraft's capabilities in the event of a emergency. There is always a takeaway lesson in your videos. Thanks for this channel. This video gave purpose to your video end stamp of KEEP THE BLUE SIDE UP!!
Hi, I find it very amusing (and frankly encouraging) to watch your face when you are watching these videos. You have on your “on deck” face, you actually do not blink.!! You are making a thousand micro decisions as though you were piloting. Absolute concentration. I hope pilots on my flights are equally focussed. 🇦🇺 👍
Considering the cards he was delt, I think he handled that crash very well. He had limited speed, limited altitude, and a lot of weight from the passengers. He acted quickly, efficiently, and professionally.
You mean the cards he dealt to himself
Yup, he hand picked the cards and still fucked up
Having been one of the rare people who experienced a real engine failure (in somebody else's airplane with very little familiarity with the type) during a BFR, the thing I do almost instinctively is to unlatch the door(s) or canopy, thanks probably to my earliest primary training days in the 1960s. My check pilot in my engine failure case froze up completely when the engine failed. It took me awhile to find the fuel selector valve and after switching tanks, the engine restarted and we were fine. Ever since, I have recommended BFRs spend at least as much time practicing engine-out, off-airport landings as useless pattern work.
Closing in on 1 million subscribers Kelsey!!! Love your content.
Hell yeah rolling the video while they're crashing is impressive! Great job explaining everything, glad they made it!
Love all your videos Sir. This makes me feel so lucky I've survived all my plane rides but I've never been in a small plane. Rode in a helicopter over San Fran and it was incredible but scary. This poor family regardless of why 💗
I am very happy to hear they survived, we had 4 people die just last week in a crash into a lake. Reason unknown but this is always a possibility, so be safe rather than try for cool IG photos.
Kelsey I love your sense of humor and all you have taught me in your videos. Can you please talk about a regional airport with no tower control? What does that mean, how is it different for pilots, and what are the implications? Thank you!
At an uncontrolled field there is no one to "control" what happens. I will self announce my intentions on the common frequency for that field so other pilots will know I'm there and what I plan to do. In addition, there might be aircraft that don't have radios for whom I need to be looking just in case they behave like they don't know I'm there. It is like a cross road intersection without signal lights and nobody has a stop or yield sign.
Flying in uncontrolled airspace, I like to call it the Wild West. It's all personal responsibility and an honor system pretty much. You manage your own plane and are responsible for navigation and watching out for others. Even at towered airports, once you leave their airport, if they don't have radar at that airport, they can't see you once you have left their visuals so you have to tell them where you are. Once you get high enough you can contact what we call "Center" and essentially have them watch over you. You can tell them if there's an emergency, if your plane is equipped, they can see your location, and most planes have an emergency locator.
Both the blancolirio and Trent Palmer channels on KZhead often show takeoff, landing, and flying in places without towers, and even without runways. Trent is a drone and bush pilot, and is not fond of talking to ATC, because he seldom does it. Blancolirio is an airline pilot who often flies into LAX and London Heathrow, but he has his own small planes, and recently acquired a bush plane. So he's comfortable with talking to ATC--or not. I believe he said his "home" airport does not do tower control, but they often have fire fighting aircraft there. Watching some of their videos can be a fun way to get answers to your questions. Plus, the scenery is unbeatable.
@@SMButler There's a difference... when you approach an intersection, you only have to watch the road. When flying a circuit at an uncontrolled airfield, you have to watch everywhere. The other guy may fly a wider circuit, be lower or higher than you, or may even execute a very long final or straight in ;-)
You still have to watch everywhere in controlled airspace too. Had a guy bust through the pattern about 200' below me with no warning from the tower.
I look forward to your video's they are awesome,,and Thank you so much for making them, I know you are very tired after your flight, so again I appreciate your taking time to do these video's, stay safe and keep the blue side up my friend!!!
Another great video, thanks. And, yes, the video with Stella was hilarious. I shared it with my family. I had tears rolling down my face. With her personality I could see that she would be a brilliant flight attendant. Perhaps not suited to being a pilot :)
It would have been hilarious had Kelsey made reference to A Street Car Named Desire (((((STELLA!)))) lol
As a paraglider pilot when I saw him in the valley I was like: Didn't he say he will not do something dangerous? Always have 1 to 2 backup landing spots.
he kept filming and told the tale. as of now, this video has 33k views, I expect it to rise much further, and you explained a lot. this gives the opportunity to other pilots to learn. if that video is the reason to avoid a fatility down the line, this would be great. in my opinion, this is the most important part: learn!
Other pilots should already know not learn
@@sahhull If you aren't always learning, you aren't doing yourself any favors.
10:24 As he kept saying “relax, relax” it cut to a Reece’s cups commercial that said “relax chocolate” I’m dying rn
HAHAHAHQHAHAH XDD
Another excellent one, thank you for explaining it all so well.
It’s good that my self preservation instincts are still working 😂 . As soon as I saw the guy flying over water so low and slow with nowhere close to land I was like this isn’t safe at all.
Same here... A pilot must always plan for a out. If this engine failed a few seconds earlier he would have been going into that lake.
Not a pilot here, but same for me and had the engine quit a few seconds sooner, they would have been in bigger trouble.
If you’re out to just see the beauty of it you might be slower and lower than usual. I don’t think the pilot was being “unsafe”Losing your engine out of no where is a freak thing. You never want to get in a corner but I wouldn’t say he was reckless either.
@@sunnyh4338 I agree that he wasn’t reckless as he was piloting the aircraft within its performance envelope and it seem he was flying at least 500 feet above the surface which is VFR minimum altitude. So he was most probably flying by the rules. But flying by the rules doesn’t always means flying the best way. I think if he wanted to fly that slow he could’ve added another 500 feet to the altitude to give himself more options. Like they say in aviation a good pilot doesn’t just fly the plane, they stay ahead of the airplane.
@@Hartbreak1 yeah, I see what you’re saying.
I followed both families for a long time after the crash to see how they were doing after surgeries and learning to walk again. The pilot was considering 3 options; 1 on water, but was afraid to flip over, then the two youngest kids in the back might drown. 2 he lined up for a beach landing at first, but saw people down there. Then he only had the option to go straight, what’s why he ended up short.
Glad to see this remark, you could see in the video he's looking at the beach along the right side of the screen, its narrow, but its there... Later he clearly commits to the field. I figured it was just the way the glide was working out, so he had an option open up that wasn't initially obvious. As soon as we cut to the video in the valley my gut sank. I haven't flown in a long time, but it was all out west with tall rocks, and I don't think I would have ever gone into a valley like that. As Kelsey pointed out, it wasn't "Unsafe" but he painted himself into a corner a bit. I'm glad it all worked out, because there were a lot of ways that could have been much worse. In single engine you must always consider where you'd end up if the fan stopped running. It was drilled in to me in my student days so much, that I got very uncomfortable if I didn't have a viable landing site I believed I could glide too (Part of why I hated G.A. Departures from Santa Barbara where ATC run you out over the ocean further than you could glide back in the initial departure). Really unfortunate. If he keeps flying I know this will cause a major change in how he plans site seeing flights, and he'll be a better pilot for the learning.
Although easy to second guess any aircraft accident with "what I would have done", the people on the beach saw you coming from over the water. Not exactly hidden from view from the ground. The people can see if you were lining up for the beach, would have scattered. Not that many people. It wasn't Daytona, Malibu, or Waikiki Beach. Thank God, no one was killed.
@@TheHawk--oe8iq maybe, maybe not. One of my flight instructors spoke a lot about not assuming anyone on the ground knows you're coming, especially if your engine is dead. Kids playing soccer on a soccer field are not ready for a Cessna to just barge in. Nor are people on a beach. It's amazing how obvious a silent airplane isn't.
@Kurt Van Wagenen agreed not to mention the deer in headlights reflex. Some people might be too stunned/scared/anxious to move
Another comment the pilot made about the beach was that he was afraid that the gear would dig in and flip the a/c and he was concerned about the two kids in the very back seat surviving a flip
Very comprehensive and clear debrief of an unusual video. Very educational to any pilot!
Kudos to all the passengers remaining calm
"How safe is flying GA?" "Exactly as safe as the pilot flying the plane." First clue is that the owner of the plane was too cheap to install shoulder harnesses, and when you stall when making an emergency landing, as happened here, the milisecond before your face smashes into the panel you will really, really wish you were wearing one.
It looked like they were fitted in the front, just not being worn…
The plane DID have shoulder harnesses. They can be clearly seen stowed above the door where they will do no one any good. FAR 91.105(b) says you MUST use them during takeoff and landing, so the pilot was breaking the law by not using them during takeoff. He probably would have been much less injured if he had them on during the crash.
So how many of these shoulder harnesses have you had installed? The cost and paper work alone sometimes make it not possible. You just can't go install them yourself. (My Cherokee doesn't have them)
As an electrician one of the first things I learned from the more experienced was to always do things with the worst case scenario in mind. There were definitely things he was doing without an engine failure in mind. But everyone came out alive. While a part of me wonders why he didnt put the camera down, another part of me is really glad he kept that camera going so we can all learn from it.
the guy flying the plane wasn't the one holding the camera...
Is the same thing in computer programming. Often times, programmers write what we'd call "Sunny day" programs - minimal error checking, always assuming that the input data is good. Good programmers program primarily for when things go wrong and catch conditions/errors (even internal issues) and mitigate appropriately.
One every day example could be something will take (for example) 10 minutes in a good scenario. Instead of leaving 10 minutes to do it, give yourself 15 to 20 minutes. That way, if things don't work out as planned, you have some breathing room. I.e., hope for the best but plan for the worst.
Hope for the best, plan for the worst.
That attitude is almost always a good one to maintain in literally every walk of life. Always have an idea for a gameplan if you encounter a worst case scenario. This applies to everything in my mind from driving a car, to walking into a store that might get robbed and everything in between.
Thank you, excellent as always. I suggest linking to the original video.
I have flown into mountains once on a single engine, but Never after that. The risk of engine failing and no place to land, is too great. My flight instructor showed me the difference between glide at CL Max with engine idle and SFO. Gotta say I was extremely nervous when he pulled the mixture all the way out, in circuit flying at 800AGL and the prop eventually stopped windmilling on final. Excellent analysis Kelsey.
To me it looked like he had enough altitude for a little pitch down. Once the field is made, flaps down, approach. But, it's difficult to tell from the video and I've never had a real emergency like that. Plenty of engine out practice though. Glad they're all OK.
Agreed
I can only armchair the response here but i'm with you on this, i'm not sure why he continued to let it stall like that. Some nose down to pick up speed and then set it down on the hillside. With 6 people onboard i'm sure they were a bit heavy and CG limited which probably played a factor. glad they are all okay though.
I think the plane stalled at a few meters height and fell. You see the 3 trees to their right and below at 10:21? They are maybe 5 meters high? 5 seconds later crashed on the nose (it broke off, see orig video), not even rolling.
That’s what I thought, would have for sure dipped a bit to come in a little fast than stall and slam
@@Gregorius421 probably 15, 20m high, maybe even more (at that time anyway). those trees don't look small
This crash seemed a lot more realistic than our good old boy Trevor Jacob 😂 glad everyone seems ok!!
Iv been watching your videos now for a few weeks just got to say awesome stuff, I'm checking every day now for new content, a great channel my new go-to.
we need more people making videos like this guy, actual professionals who know what there talking about
Like 74Gear? Try Mentour Pilot. Captain Joe I think is another guy.
Being a pilot of a single engine plane. I try to fly as high as is practical. The ground is hard and there’s nothing on the ground to see that’s worth the added risk. It is one of the realities of a single engine plane, less margin of error.
Fact: This pilot severely narrowed his choices by flying low down a valley with a reservoir ahead. Being constantly aware of your choices is essential (e.g. to ditch along the coastline, close enough to swim for shore). In this case he was high enough to reach a relatively flat spot. The pitfalls: 1. This sounded like fuel starvation, likely fuel mismanagement (this looked like a C210 Centurion, where you select Right or Left tank, no "Both" available). At this altitude the only available action is to switch tanks by reflex and then concentrate on the upcoming emergency landing. Best case outcome: If the other tank had plenty of fuel, the engine would have roared to life and problem solved. 2. The Cessna 200-series have a hidden trap, waiting to catch inexperienced pilots - stall training / exercises will have been performed with only 1 or 2 people sitting up front. With the aircraft at it's front CG limit, it usually runs out of elevator authority and refuses to stall properly. The trap: fill all the seats, and the CG moves way aft! In this configuration the aircraft will stall decisively and suddenly, in a manner that is totally unexpected by a low-experience pilot! Either or both of these pitfalls may or may not have played a role in this accident.
Noted: train with 600 pounds of bricks in the back
@@leprechaunbutreallyjustamidget, not really practical. Just be aware of this issue and avoid slow speeds when aft-loaded. React INSTANTLY to even the slightest whimper from the Cessna stall warning horn. It really means business when you are tail-heavy.
@@Halli50 yeah honestly not a real problem in the 150
@@leprechaunbutreallyjustamidget, how true! This mostly applies to the 200-series Cessnas (and similar A/C), with 6, 8 or even more seats. This might even bite in the bum in a 4-seater like the 172 if you have only practiced stalls when nose-heavy.
@Halfdan Ingolfsson You had a good take on this. Though I grant the benefit of the doubt to this pilot, that he wouldn’t deliberately/consciously do something dangerous...it often takes either 1) experience to know what _actually is_ dangerous, or 2) a personality inclined to be vigilant when you “don’t know what you don’t know.” This situation was (probably) legal...but I wouldn’t call it safe. I get it...the limits one must self impose to make piston-single-engine flying _safe_ also reduce the airplane’s usability and the overall fun factor. Bottom line, when you’re the PIC with passengers, you have the obligation of safety. It sucks to have to second-guess the guy...but the safety of aviation requires it. Definitely every pilot should be asking, “what would I have done differently?”
Hey Kelsey - as always -- great content! Re: Banking early -- I believe he follows shore line until he decides to commit for open albeit rocky field. Falling into water 30 ft from land instead if 100-200 is a world of difference when you believe at least one if not all in plane will suffer injuries at impact.
Love the videos. My only thought on this one was regarding the comment "you don't go flying expecting the engine to fail" - I have to respectfully disagree - that's EXACTLY what you should do, and what I was trained to do. I always expect it, and constantly am thinking "if X happens right now, what am I going to do" - being below the ridgeline in a narrow valley (no option to do a 180) wasn't a great idea IMO. But, as you said, in the end, everyone survived (I'm assuming without life-altering injuries), and the only thing permanently damaged was an airplane. That's as much as you can hope for sometimes. Keep up the great videos!
I’m a fan of both of these channels and they are still recovering
Can you share that channel? I'd like to see their videos.
@@hankwilliams4841 it’s The Mikesell Family and The Field Family
@@ruthtoner3936 thanks.
You have a lot of interesting facts about planes. You can make a good teacher.
Great job, from you 74 Gear and from the Pilot !
Kelsey, this video is totally awesome 👏🏻 You did a fantastic job covering this event Thank you so so much again 10 out of 5 stars I think that makes four Of your videos I’ve watched this month not including this one ☝️ ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ Best wishes always from Las Vegas Craig
Close call for the family, but glad that everyone stayed alive.
Good job by the rescue team and medics. I do wonder the airworthiness of the aircraft and what preflight was carried out.
Glad they okay great video Kelsey ✈️🖤
Hi Kelsey! Thank you for your videos. I look forward to more. One question for you, when will you get your fourth stripe? Thanks again! ~e
if you're a GA pilot, with family/friends, being extra careful, you should not fly low, slow and heavy on a hot high altitude terrain...
These two families are absolutely amazing. I’ve followed them since before this crash. Both husbands have had a long road to recovery.
What is their KZhead channel
I'd like to check them out. Can you give us their YT Channel?
It’s The Mikesell Family. She’s the creator of Beddy’s if you’ve ever heard of them.
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Your comparison on how a vehicle works going up a hill and a plane was fantastic!
Another Great Vid!!! Keep em coming!!!
Funny how your past experiences affect your emotions. My brain was going “nice long lake, this will be fine.” But I guess someone forgot to pack the floats. (I had a really nice vacation when I was a kid flying along the St. Lawrence River in Quebec, on float planes.)
When the pilot started showing he was seriously over-confident, the line came into my mind, "she's practically unsinkable." *eye roll* Added: I don't know how long he's been flying, but he didn't understand how much he didn't know. And from reading comments here and hearing Kelsey's explanations, there was quite a bit he didn't know. I hope he got well and then --- got more info.
My wife and I love your videos!!! Keep up the great work 😎
Love the channel MR.👍🙏 and god bless your path.💪😎
"I would never do anything reckless".... proceeds to fly low into a narrow valley and over a lake just for the views, severely limiting his options if his engine failed. He literally threw the dice and lost on this one.
Well what are the odds that the engine should fail in the first place
@@ThePrimeMinisterOfTheBlock as a gyro pilot with a fucking Rotax.. More than you would think
Not to mention not using the installed shoulder harnesses as required by law that would have dramatically reduced injuries. Or how about how he was illegally flying on an expired medical. I'm sure he conveniently forgot to tell them that!
@J Hemphill thank you for your pertinent and useful contribution.
@J Hemphill my good man, likewise, I literally remain dubious that you have ever known a woman sexually. Warmest regards!
Poor Stella is never gonna live that down. Lol but it was utube gold!
One of my favourite videos ever! I'd have been the same, probably worse.
Always well thought out Vids from you.
I've always loved small planes. My favorite of all times was with my instructor in and Eppler ultralight. We shut off the motor after about 45 minutes at 1500 ft and followed a hawk around for the better part of an hour. We landed about an hour later only because we were getting really cold at almost 10,000 ft and my instructor's next student was due at the field. This guy may have been low and slow to show off the area to the families, but he landed as best he could and they say any landing you can "walk away from" is a good landing, especially in a broken airplane.
Or in this case, "Airlifted away from".
Yes in a small place you can feel the wind and everything it is a very different experience than large commercial jets. I actually like the feeling in small planes more. Feels more like a bird
I imagine it's like the feel of a vintage car vs a modern one. Similar but so, so different.
I'd absolutely love for you to react to the "Gimli Glider" incident and documentary (iirc, it's even available on Vimeo in full). I think it's such an amazing example of how you always say that the pilots should never stop fighting. Also it's just so badass.
Hey, Bro. Are there any videos of you piloting? I'd love to see some. Awesome video.
Great video and appreciate the explanations.👍👍